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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's Coast to Coast AM. Connie Willis here. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're enjoying the evening as we talk to

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Speaker 2: researchers in real time doing the real thing. And that's

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Speaker 2: what I do too. On my show that's called Blue

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Speaker 2: Rock Talk. If you become a Blue Rocker, we go

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Speaker 2: on creepy hotspots and we're live investigations of these strange

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Speaker 2: lights of Bigfoot, of dog Man, of other creatures, of

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Speaker 2: even hauntings as well. We take it down deeper, not

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Speaker 2: one oh one, we go into connecting the dots across

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Speaker 2: the line of the genres, down deep into those master classes,

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Speaker 2: those PhD classes. We have a lot of fun because

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Speaker 2: also as the shows are live, the people that are

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Speaker 2: blue Rockers, they're in there with great intuition, great abilities,

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Speaker 2: and man, we are learning so much and it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: People across the world as they listen and watch the

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Speaker 2: different countries, they're like, you know, getting the same things

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Speaker 2: in different states as well, just getting the same picking

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Speaker 2: up the same things the location I'm at and it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's something outside Okay, well it's two yr left and

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Speaker 2: there's three of them, and it's just it's fun. It's

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Speaker 2: really fun. But we learn a lot too, And I

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Speaker 2: hope that you'll join one of my shows. That one.

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Speaker 2: We're about to head back up to the Rockies, So

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Speaker 2: join that and see what you think and then go

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Speaker 2: from there. So Connie Willis dot com is where to

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Speaker 2: find that Connie Willis dot Com. Interestingly enough, talking with

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Speaker 2: Tom Dongo right now, a UFO E T researcher, remote viewer,

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Speaker 2: medical intuitives and so on and so on and so forth.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about where I'd seen like a city

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Speaker 2: skyline go by. You saw like this oil liner thing

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Speaker 2: at the dark with the lights oil rig And I

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Speaker 2: got an email from Carol Zach So Carol, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: mention this. He just passed this on to me and said,

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Speaker 2: I too saw a city block of bills floating in

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Speaker 2: the sky, which I'd never heard that again until decades later.

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Speaker 2: And I believe they were out of Africa at the story.

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Speaker 2: It was like some like I was like, what where?

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Speaker 2: And they had described the same thing. So Carol says

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Speaker 2: it was over Manhattan. As we were driving on the

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Speaker 2: Henry Hudson Parkway. I googled it and the same thing

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Speaker 2: had happened in the skyline over a city in the Orient.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for writing that in because that confirmation

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Speaker 2: is just great because you think, oh, I got to

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Speaker 2: hold my you know, hold my hat on that one,

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Speaker 2: because no one's going to believe that, right. So I

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Speaker 2: love that we have so much communication now that we

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Speaker 2: can compare notes like that, Tom now, medical, intuitive, remote

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Speaker 2: view or all these things. When did you start getting

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Speaker 2: these abilities or did you notice that you had them

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Speaker 2: to the extent that you do.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know we're going to be here all night

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Speaker 3: if you satur on this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Make that a brief one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you know I can see into it.

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Speaker 3: I was. I can see into a human body like

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Speaker 3: an X ray machine. I wanted to run out, run

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Speaker 3: into and I don't do it to make money. I

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Speaker 3: tried to do that and it didn't work. So evidently

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Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to make money. Otherwise I'd be a millionaire.

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Speaker 3: But I've done it with hundreds and hundreds of people.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I used to be in a restaurant. Somebody

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Speaker 3: would walk up to me and they say, can you

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Speaker 3: scan me. I never turned anybody down. I never charged

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Speaker 3: him anything either, but I was always about ninety percent right,

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Speaker 3: You get the spot, and I describe it. You know

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Speaker 3: And I was I just diagnosed his back uh problem,

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Speaker 3: in Phoenix, J. Caliendo does it. He's even better than

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Speaker 3: but J Kelly, you know I can do it. He can.

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Speaker 3: He's good at prescribing a cure. I mean, he's wow.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not. I'm not. But I can see the problem.

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Speaker 2: Really, what does it look like?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's a it's more of a feeling. It's

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Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's just a it's like smelling

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Speaker 3: gas fumes or something. It's just it makes you feel awful.

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Speaker 2: Well, can you do this? Can you do this remotely?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I I have to repeat I do not do

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Speaker 3: I'm beside myself with happiness. Yeah, so I was a

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Speaker 3: I say, I'm I don't do that for a living.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I asked you before if you were

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Speaker 2: They're they're searching for what it is that they're going through,

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Speaker 2: and you know, these these urges of what's going on.

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Speaker 2: I know there's something and I get bits and pieces.

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Speaker 2: Now you're you know, now you've got all these abilities

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I was born with most of this stuff,

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Speaker 3: you know. I I've talked to when we talked the

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Speaker 3: have been killed, but there's something that stands behind me, Sir.

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Speaker 3: A spiritual being or an extraterrestrially guards me, keeps me safe,

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Speaker 2: So, well, tell me about Bradshaw Ranch. How'd you get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's uh that what was an ongoing thing

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Speaker 3: letter a couple of days later from Linda Bradshaw, and

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Speaker 3: the first ORB photographs were taken by Linda Bradshaw and

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Speaker 3: photography orbs spread around the world. I don't understand that.

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Speaker 3: But within months with orb activity spread around the world.

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Speaker 3: So Linda and I did a lot of research on orbs.

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Speaker 3: Uh you know, I like I say, I spent four

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Speaker 3: It was there all four and a half years, and

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Speaker 3: Linda used to joke sometimes we felt like we were

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Speaker 3: but they had a lot of times they have. It

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Speaker 3: it was a strange situation, just like.

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Speaker 3: Right right, right right.

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Speaker 2: Is the portal that you're talking about. Is that one

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Speaker 2: of the pictures in your book Merging Dimensions the new edition?

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Speaker 2: Is that the one that's kind of got that like

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Speaker 2: light pole, Yeah, electric.

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Speaker 3: Pole in it in the Yeah, Well that that you know,

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Speaker 3: well Bill Hammerton. Bill Hamilton used to work with us

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Speaker 3: at the time. He was the top UFO research in

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Speaker 3: the world. That photograph is the same photograph Bennington Oregon

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Speaker 3: but it was taken in nineteen fifty and it is

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Speaker 3: the same photograph almost it's there're all different, but it

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Speaker 3: you know, we plagiarized it, and we didn't. It was

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Speaker 3: actually taken by Linda at the Bradshawns. You know how

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Speaker 2: And and that was that was by someone that's one

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Speaker 2: of us that that was doing that said that about it.

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Speaker 3: Bill, Bill was Bill was the top Bill Hamilton was

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Speaker 3: the top UFO researcher in the world at the time.

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Speaker 3: Interesting interestingly enough, Bill I listened to get a load

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Speaker 3: So anyway, me and Bill we were you know, I

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Speaker 3: are you crazy? You that really happened? I know that

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Speaker 2: I don't like that look.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's the visual. I can't get it out

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, right, I mean stuff like that. That's

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Speaker 2: Yeah sure, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And but but the thing that is, Lenna and I

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Speaker 3: That's all we could afford was thirty five millimeter point

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Speaker 3: So we asked him, when you go back to your superior,

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Speaker 3: of a parent night vision binoculars that still work.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great because those are pretty expensive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well these are KGB. These are the best

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Speaker 3: the Soviets had and you still got them. They still

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Speaker 3: they still work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you still have it all. Good for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's cool. And you're in the right spot

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Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, so when you wanted to do scientific research

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Speaker 2: or experiment, what did you want to do? Oh what

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Speaker 2: was your strategies?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Any anything we could get ground penetrating radar and

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Speaker 3: the other stuff is I know, the Skinwalker Ranch guys

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Speaker 3: pretty well in Brandon Fugel it owns it. He's a

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Speaker 3: he's a friend of mine. Very very nice man, Brandon

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Speaker 3: Fugal you own Skinwalker Ranch. Very nice man, a real gentleman.

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