WEBVTT - Episode 419: Is It Time For The Mariners To Move On From Rob Refsnyder? 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.960 Welcome to episode number four nineteen of the Marine Layer Podcast, 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.800 live from Queen Anne Beer Hall. The Mariners salvage the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.720 series against the Boston Red Sox. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.600 But it was not good and we'll talk about it. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.840 Reminder of you, guys, just before we start this podcast episode, 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:15.880 do us a couple favors. Make sure you go download 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.080 these audio episodes if you're listening, and you go rate 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.640 and review five stars. If you're on YouTube, make sure 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.160 to go hit subscribe, drop a like, leave a comment. 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.840 You can find us on our website. Everything's there at 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.360 marine layerpod dot com. Between all of our merch Patreon 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.479 episodes are all there again, that's marine layerpod dot com. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:33.720 And find us on social media. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.880 We're posting everywhere every day at marine Layer Pod. 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:52.760 Let's get it rolling, and we welcome to this episode 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.280 of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.640 podcast network, recording here on Sunday afternoon, June twenty. First, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.680 the Mariners win the third of three games against the 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.960 Boston Red Sox. They end up losing two of three 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:06.800 in the series. Let me know if you've heard this before. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.760 Low The Mariners won a series earlier this week, and 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.400 then they lost a series on the weekend. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.480 Yeah, how many times in a row has that been? Now, 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.240 did you actually like calculate it all. 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:15.040 In a row? 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:16.959 I mean it's not in a row, but they've done 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.640 it like a majority of the time this season when 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:20.199 they win. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.399 A series and then lose a series right after that, 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:23.800 especially against the team they should beat. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.039 They had the one Midwest road trip where they beat 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.280 the Twins in a series and the Cardinals in a 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.440 series where we did another one of these wonderful live 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.520 events that we'll talk about here in a minute. And 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.399 then they had the eight game win streak. Yeah, and 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.720 that's it, okay. I mean otherwise it's pretty much been 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.200 status quo. Beat the Baltimore Orioles two of three in 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.360 the middle of the week and then lose two out 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.000 of three to eight. Just atrocious Boston Red Sox team 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:49.520 this weekend. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:53.360 I mean, honestly, I'm gonna take some accountability here. How 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.400 incredibly stupid on my part to say that the Mariners 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.880 were gonna minimum taken out of three Austin Red Sox 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.160 because I said that as we looked ahead at the 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.640 schedule and we see the Red Sox coming into town, 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.680 we know how they've been this year. They've been one 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.240 of the baseball's worst teams. They have not hit at all. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.880 We've said, okay, this is a series they should beat 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.000 up on the Red Sox, they should get some momentum 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.840 built up, especially after beating the Orioles, and they should 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.760 really build on this. Then on Thursday, we see the 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:26.280 pitching matchups and we see lefty lefty, lefty, and I say, again, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.480 how dumb of me to think they were gonna take 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.480 two or three. I said it too far in advance, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.520 because once I saw the three lefties, I was like, 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.800 uh oh, they're they're in trouble. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.520 But even I didn't think it could be like this 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.799 bad again, Like I was like, there's no way they're 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:45.840 gonna continue to be this bad against lefties. Maybe delusionally thought, 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.680 you know, you got two of these guys that are rookies. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.760 Yes they're high upside, Yes they were top at least 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.680 fifty prospects in baseball. But the Mariners can beat up 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.240 on a couple of these guys. They did not do that. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:02.320 Oh I miss I miss read that situation very easily. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.040 And getting Ranger on Friday, oh y, and Ranger swore 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:05.880 has dominated them. 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.440 He had a no hitter into the seventh inning. The 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.600 Mariners barely had any hits all weekend. Even today when 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.680 they won, they barely had any hits. This offense is 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.560 not doing literally anything. Well, the only guy who did 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.320 damage this entire weekend was dom Canzone, and now he's hurt, 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.760 which we will talk We'll save that, let's talk about 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:22.120 that later. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.680 I mean, I think I highlighted it here early on 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.440 Sunday before the game started. You look at the Mariners 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:31.040 numbers across the board against lefties. It is brutal, really 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.920 batting average, their last slugging percentage, their last team ops, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.800 their last I mean team WRC plus their second to 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:43.200 last run score, their bottom five, and hits their bottom six. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.120 So they're just not doing any damage against left handed pitching. 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.760 It's toward the end of June and this trend has 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:50.760 not gotten any better. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.680 Well, their problem is they're just not very good in 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.840 any spot of the lineup against lefties right now. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.760 The only guys in their lineup. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:04.680 Who are a average by WRC plus against lefties, Julio 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.440 is one of them. Dom Canzone is two percentage points 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.400 above average against lefties. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:12.560 And that's it. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:13.080 That's it. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.960 And you notice how I didn't say the names Rob Refsnyder. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.640 I didn't say lefty killer Weston Wilson in there either. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.920 Okay, Now, let's be clear that was Sunday's lineup and 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:24.160 their numbers against lefties. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.080 Randy's been above average against. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.760 Left he has out but that's the current state of 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.359 the Mariners lineup this weekend against the Boston Red Sox 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:31.239 against three lefties. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:32.040 And you know you. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.320 Can't control injuries. No, And again with Canzone, it is 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.279 nice to see he's starting to hit lefties. And we 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.640 can talk a little bit about a little more about 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.000 Canzone and the idea of him hitting lefties more when 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:45.920 we get to him specifically in a minute, because there 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.240 is an injury to talk about. But I will say 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.240 he hasn't really taken many at bats against lefties this year, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.599 so he's two percent above average, but it's a pretty 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:54.680 small sample. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.360 And it's a lot of as we've talked about earlier 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.480 walks as opposed to overall production. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:58.760 Right. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.680 But before we continue, Lile, we had a wonderful event 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.160 here at the Hall with a partnership with the Hall 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.520 Group and Corona. 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So this series this week, I just 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.760 got to put it into context for people because as 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.760 we're in the eighth inning and yeah, the Mariners are winning, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.599 but at this point they've already lost the series. So 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.599 I'm sitting there and thinking, like, do we have to 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.479 go through this again where the Mariners are winning a 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.960 series during the week and then they're losing a series 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.920 on the weekend. So I just have to go back 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.279 and I need to remind myself this season what it's 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:52.160 like after the Mariners win a series. So we got 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.960 to go for the first Mariners series win of the season. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:59.000 That was Friday April tenth through Monday April thirteenth. That 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.160 four game sweep against the Houston Astros, first series win 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.120 of the season. They followed up and they get swept 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.560 against the San Diego Padres. Then the Mariners return home 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.920 face to Texas Rangers. They win two of three. Then 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.200 what do the Mariners do. They host the A's and 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.800 they lose two of three. Then there's that Midwest road 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.400 trip where they go to Saint Louis and then they 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.200 go to Minnesota where they win each of those two series, 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:22.600 and then they return home and get swept by the 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:23.640 Kansas City Royals. 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.280 The Mariners then right after that Royal series. 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.280 Win two out of three games against the Atlanta Braves 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.480 and then go on the road and lose two of 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:31.960 three to the Chicago White Sox. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:32.960 Sensing a theme yet. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.800 Lyle, I'm starting to sence it. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.960 So then after that series lost to the Chicago White Sox, 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.280 they go to the Houston Astros and they win three 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.000 of four, only to return home and get swept by 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.160 the San Diego Padres. After that Padres series, they win 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.280 two out of three at home against the Chicago White Sox, 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.000 go on the road to the face a bad Royals 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.119 team and they lose two of three. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.840 They go to the A's in a series that at. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.560 The time, if the Mariners won, they would have ended 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.520 up in first place as they are right now, which 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.240 is true even after this series this weekend, and they 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.880 sweep the Aights. This is the start of the eight 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.000 game win streak where they sweeped the A's. They sweep 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.080 the Diamondbacks, and they win two out of three against 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.560 the New York Mets. Then the Mariners go on the 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.200 road to this last road trip and they lose two 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.520 of three to the Tigers. They split against the Orioles, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.400 and they lose two of three to the Nationals before 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.840 coming home winning a series against the Orioles and then 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.440 losing a series to the Boston Red Sox. Sounds like 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.760 groundhog Day a little bit. I've referenced that a few 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.080 times so far this season. But with a five hundred team, 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.000 there's gonna be a lot of the same things. Or 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.920 you win a series and then you lose a series, 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:39.480 and then you win a series and then you lose 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.040 a series. And this has just been part of the 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:43.640 twenty twenty six Mariners brand. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:44.160 So far. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.400 I was about to say that sounds like a five 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.600 hundred team. Unfortunately, a five hundred team probably doesn't get 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.400 into the playoffs now in this year's American league, who. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:53.840 Knows, especially the American League. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.920 West, because I think the A's just lost again today 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.240 as the Mariners sitting there to win all that game, 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.360 they were up and I think Zach Netto hit a 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.440 home run in the ninth I know that happened. What 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.760 ended up being the final score here I'm looking right 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.599 now as we speak, final score was, Oh yeah, the 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:09.560 Angels won nine to seven. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.280 Oh, there you go. So the Mariners now have a 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:12.719 two game leading first. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.560 It's incredible, isn't it? And they're one a half game, 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.040 one game over five hundred with a two game lead 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:18.640 in first place. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.920 Look, we have begged for a terrible American League West 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.480 at some point, and we've got one. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.160 But how about a terrible American League West where they're 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:27.240 ten over five. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.720 Hundred, where they wrap up the division by like the 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:30.840 first week of September. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:31.440 Be amazing. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:32.600 That would be very relaxing. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.440 I hope they still do that at some point. There's 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.440 still time for them to do that. But as we've 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.199 talked about we're sitting here at the summer solstice. We're 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.719 about three months into the year, and it has been 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.880 a lot of groundhog Day. There's been a lot of 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.720 series that have been inspiring, but almost seemingly never followed 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:52.080 up by another inspiring series. It'll be sloppy play and 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.800 missed opportunities and games that turn into losses against teams 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:56.400 that you should. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.560 Be the most frustrating thing from this series that we 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.720 could feel while we're at the ballpark. And it's something 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.360 that really stuck for me on something you mentioned on 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.720 a previous podcast episode about the vibes of this team 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.319 being off and that you just weren't you didn't feel 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:12.960 good about what you were seeing on the field or 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.920 experiencing at the ballpark. And I was kind of like, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.760 you know what, Like, I think the baseball will turn 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.280 around regardless of that, and here we are a week 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.480 later has not turned around. But also, like I tried 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.520 to pay closer attention to that this weekend at the ballpark, 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.000 I kind of felt. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.959 That something just feels a little off. I don't even 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.559 know if there's a perfect way to explain it, but 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.400 I mean, is it is it cohesiveness? 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:39.080 Is that what it is? 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:40.120 It can be. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.000 There's certain factors that we watch on the field, whether 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.080 it be just the offense itself and executing a plan 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.360 again at the plate against a left handed pitcher, which 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.600 this lineup cannot do and that definitely cannot do consistently. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.040 And there's the defense, which I mean, we watched Connor 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.439 Joe drop a ball in the outfield yesterday, we watched 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:02.400 Naylor somehow miss an underhand throat of Logan Gilbert at 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:03.240 the bag today. 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.200 He had multiple errors this weekend. He is he has 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.760 had a tough go of it through three months, Josh Naylor. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.720 And then that's on top of all the other stuff 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.120 that stacked up this season with watching Randy Rose Arena 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.120 in the outfield, and then the lack of range from 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.000 all their other outfielders with Julio and Center and Railey 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.640 and Wright and Canzone had a diving catch today, but 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.560 also it's been Canzone as well in the outfield. All 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.960 of these things sort of stack up, and then on 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.000 top of that the base running issues. There's the wild 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.800 pitches this weekend as well, which there were multiple, and 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.600 there's Red Sox riders Sweeten like, oh my god, another 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.439 wild pitch for the Mariners. This has happened all the time, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.880 Like these things just just keep. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:45.240 Happening continuously, and you're waiting again as we're three months 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.680 in to say, when does this turn around. It's funny 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.640 it took this Mariner's team essentially until the final three 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.880 weeks of last season to be the team they were 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.320 really supposed to be. I mean, remember what we were 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.160 talking about in early September when they lost to the 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.320 Rays that had that series in Tampa where they had 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.199 already parlayed a bunch of losses, and we're like, oh 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.000 my god. Yeah, We're like, is this gonna end or 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.559 they just gonna free fall their way out of this? 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.280 And then the final three weeks they turned it all 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.920 around with expectations like this, I'd like to think it's 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.800 not gonna take till the final three weeks. But we're 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.240 still sitting here as we near the end of June 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.079 and we're still waiting, man. And honestly, I mean, if 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.720 you want to come back to the vibes being off conversation, 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.520 which again something does feel slightly off to me. No, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:30.559 I don't think it's the Call and Randy thing. I 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:35.400 think again, that's water under the bridge. I I don't 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.160 know how much of the piggyback thing factors into it. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.720 If everybody's on board with this current version of the piggyback, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.720 the six pitchers, then that probably doesn't factor into it either. 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.880 But again, something just does feel a little bit off. 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.840 And again it like part of it might just be 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.800 the expectations and the expectations they know they've set for 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.559 themselves and everybody knows they're not. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.640 Living up to it right now, and the pressure can build. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.280 There wasn't as much pressure last season. I think the 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.880 Marriders were what fifty percent to make the playoffs last season, 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:05.719 so when they made the playoffs, it was a really 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.480 fun story. But the players on the roster, while they 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.440 think they're going to make the playoffs. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:10.680 They know there's not. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.760 The expectation going into the season was if you don't 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.440 win a World Series, we're going to hold you to 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.000 the fire and you can play a little bit more 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.720 freely that way. But this season, the expectation is to 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.440 make the World Series. And unfortunately, this team is in 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.600 the exact same spot they were at last year. At 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.440 this on this day, Lyle, they were one game above 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.080 five hundred last year. They're one game above five hundred 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:30.520 right now. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:31.120 Listen. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.120 We asked them not to go back below five hundred 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.200 at any point and they haven't done. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.400 It, and they done it. They did do that. I 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.600 want to go back to that piggyback thing you mentioned. So, yes, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.240 they did agree agree to it. Maybe they felt good 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.680 in the moment, but hear me out. They watched the 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.920 piggyback again on Friday, and then some of the guys 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.280 in the dugout who are all going to piggyback, the 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.000 two who were not pitching on Friday night, Logan Gilbert, 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.480 George Kirby, Brian wu Emerson, Hancock, they look, they watched 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.080 the result on Friday the first time. The piggyback really 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.439 didn't work, and you're like, oh, why are we doing 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:04.840 this again? 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.120 Because they want to keep all their starters happy and 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.079 don't want to yank anybody out of the rotation. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.439 Do we think the Mariners are just waiting for Luis 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.840 Castill to offer to go to the bullpen like JP 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.040 Crawford offered to play third base. 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:22.400 That's a great question. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.560 If the answer is yes, he hasn't done that, and 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.840 why would Louis want him willingly go to the bullpen. 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.320 I can't blame him if he doesn't want to. He's 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.720 just start. He's always been a starting pitcher. He gets 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.440 paid to be a starting pitcher. Why would you purposely 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:40.560 devalue yourself by going to the bullpen. Now, what he's 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.400 doing on the mound is not really building up his 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.920 value at all. He was not very good on Friday. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.240 That was a pretty sizable reason why the Mariners lost 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:52.240 that game. Sands the offense, but it doesn't build a 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.440 whole lot of confidence in the decision that the group 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.360 collectively made when the first the first iteration of the 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.840 new piggyback doesn't work and it's not good. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.120 I mean, dude, Bryce Miller on the day on Saturday, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.000 was it sixty six pitches? 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.520 Sixty six pitches, one run through five innings and they 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.400 yanked him. And back to Red Sox writers who are 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.760 probably getting a kick out of this. They're watching they're 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.120 watching the Mariners and they're like, oh my god, Like 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.720 the Red Sox had to have been thanking the Mariners 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.320 for pulling Bryce Miller after that after sixty six pitches. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.480 Yeah, by the way, I know the Red Sox didn't 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.960 exactly put their A level bullpen guys into the game. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:30.480 On Friday. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.000 You didn't see Whitlock, you didn't see Eraaldus Chapman, but 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.640 Julio did hit a home run in the ninth inning 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.080 to give the Mariners two runs and what ended up 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.840 being a six to two loss. Imagine if Bryce Miller 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.880 gets two more innings, because he's sitting at sixty six pitches, 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.640 two more innings probably roughly puts him at ninety. You 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.320 could even argue you could throw an additional inning after that. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.080 But let's be more on the Lenian side and call 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.760 it seven. Let's say it goes seven innings. You go 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.640 to one of your lefties in the eighth, maybe you 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.360 go to Bizarto in the eighth. Then all the sudden 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.000 it's a closer game, and then maybe Julio runs into 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.840 one and all of a sudden it's a tie ball game. Yeah, 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.840 but no, because Luis Castillo has to get his innings 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.160 and has to get his work in. In this piggyback, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.120 they pulled Bryce at sixty six pitches, put him in 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.760 the game, and in four innings, Luise gives up four 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.520 runs on seven hits and essentially puts the game out of. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.960 Hand, and now instead of Luis Castillo having to be 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.320 the one to get shorter outings, from here on out, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.720 it's going to be the other four guys pitching less 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:33.360 and Luis Castill pitching more, Which, yeah, doesn't sound good 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.320 When I say it like that, it definitely doesn't feel 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:36.960 as good. When we were talking about the new version 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:38.880 of the piggyback earlier this week now. 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.640 We said we liked it mainly because everybody was on 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.440 board with it, and we're like, okay, if players are 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.440 not going to be pissed off, that's important. And ultimately 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.320 we said, of the three things they'd so far tried, 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:50.960 which one sounded the best? 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.200 Sure of the three options, this one. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.880 We still have also said throughout the entirety of the season, 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.720 just go with the five man rotation. It's never wavered 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.200 from the two of us. We have said countless times, 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.280 just go with the five man rotation. Of the three options, 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.560 we said, Okay, this one, I guess sounds the best 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.840 of everybody's on board and guys aren't gonna lose a 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.280 majority of their innings. But overall, man, this is just 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.800 so much jumping of hurdles to try and keep a 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.480 guy happy that, by the results, has an ERA that 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.840 sits at five point two to two and is consistently 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.359