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Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's the Velvet's

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Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson. The people are going to

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Speaker 1: be like, what are they talking about to start, but

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Speaker 1: but tell them what you were just telling me. Let's

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Speaker 1: go right in. I'm Kevin Griffin, um the Velvet's Edge,

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Speaker 1: and I was just saying that velvet's Velvet's Edge sounds

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Speaker 1: edginess of what's beyond, you know, it sounds kind of

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Speaker 1: thought provoking. And Velvet's Edge, I thought could sound like

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Speaker 1: one of those old on Showtime back in the nineties. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It was a show that was hosted by David Ducovney

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Speaker 1: before he did The X Files, and he was this

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Speaker 1: rogue ish kind of uh commentator narrator, and he would

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Speaker 1: introduce these stories of love gone wrong and it was

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Speaker 1: always just on the on the edge of soft porn.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was. It wasn't that bad, but it was.

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Speaker 1: They were called the Red Jew Diaries and they became

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Speaker 1: the punch line of jokes on SNL and Late Night Calm,

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Speaker 1: late night shows like Conan O'Brien. So I think that

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Speaker 1: Velvet's Edge could be. Look, I'm just saying, Kelly, you know,

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Speaker 1: as the as the podcast explodes and becomes bigger than

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, you know, the next you need to take

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Speaker 1: it into you know, the video realm with maybe a

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Speaker 1: Netflix series, and I'll help you curate. Well, I mean, okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: let's do that. That's how we start. Well, I hate

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Speaker 1: to say because I said, I'm not going to tell

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Speaker 1: you what it means, because you guys do not explain

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Speaker 1: what better than as your means. Like, I've researched this,

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Speaker 1: name came from. So I was trying to kind of

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Speaker 1: dangle that in front of you. But then you basically

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Speaker 1: nailed what velvet means. Damn it. It's figured out the

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Speaker 1: line between what is acceptable and what just forbidden kind of.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think everyone has a little velvet and

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Speaker 1: a little edge though. Yes, I agree, Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Um better yeah, the whole better the ether thing. When

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Speaker 1: band when we told him the real meaning of the name.

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Speaker 1: So we're like, let's let's just quit telling people the

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Speaker 1: explanation and the name is like better than Ezra. Where

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Speaker 1: did you get that? Because at the time, nobody was

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Speaker 1: named Ezra. Now people were named Ezra. Now there's Ezraconic

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Speaker 1: being named Ezra and so. But there were so many

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Speaker 1: amazed people thought it was a biblical reference. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: best most literate explanation is on page to fifty eight

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Speaker 1: of himing Way as a Movable Feast is the line

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Speaker 1: that says anything was better than Ezra learning how to

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Speaker 1: with that? I think you know what that's it, hitming

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Speaker 1: And so that's what it means. There's another rumor that

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Speaker 1: There's a band before you all called Ezra. So y'all

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Speaker 1: that line? Oh yeah, well, well Norm McDonald. Well, I

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Speaker 1: it's a lot for me to digest. Okay, but do

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Speaker 1: just saying that it's called local color and your native air.

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Speaker 1: early nineties. They were out of Austin, Texas, and we

425
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: opened for them, and uh we played good with incomplete lyrics,

426
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: and everybody just flipped. I was for this new song.

427
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: Even the band, the members in the band Poyt Dog

428
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: Pondering came out and goes, you guys are you guys

429
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: are really good? It was we were hanging out having

430
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: drinks and like that one song, the want Aw song.

431
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that's that, that's that

432
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: elusive hook. And I never it wasn't meant to be

433
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: a hook, and you know, and here I am thirty

434
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: years later, still singing one. But it's really funny. But

435
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: that's been such a good song, I mean, pun intended,

436
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's been such just you know, it's a

437
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: three minute and nine second long song that changed my

438
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: life and will always be known, you know, I'll always

439
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: be connected with that song. And it's and it's uh,

440
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: it's pretty special and um yeah, it's the thirty second

441
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: most played alternative song ever according to Billboards. But really,

442
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not surprised. It's pretty nice, you know,

443
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: because you unless you're some massive musician like you're in

444
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: Green Day or YouTube or cold Play, you know, you

445
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: always say, oh, I wish this would have happened, or

446
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: are that I wish I could have been this, or

447
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: we should have been you know, bigger, all these kind

448
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: of things. Then you say, wait a second, I've had

449
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm I still do. I play all over the country

450
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: and a lot of parts of the world playing this

451
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: this music, and I get to play beautiful arenas and stuff,

452
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: and and it's pretty great, you know. And I've got

453
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 1: nothing but gratitude, you know, for for being able to

454
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: do it and still being in music. This silly thing

455
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: when I was in second grade, I wanted to be music,

456
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, listening to Elton John Goodbye Yell Bick Road,

457
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: you know in my bedroom, you know, on an LP

458
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 1: and dreaming of being a musician and singing and just

459
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: being intoxicated by music and it was just everything and

460
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: I get to do it still. It's great, right, It's

461
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: kind of amazing when you get to make that kind

462
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: of stuff a job. The same way about my job

463
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: do I mean yeah, people say what would you do?

464
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do for fun? My job? Yeah? Right,

465
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: my job, I mean to a fault. It's like, you know,

466
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: my family and stuff of like quit. They can tell

467
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: when I check out, when I have a song on

468
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: my head, I'll just check out. I'll write I'm writing

469
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: a note an idea, usually their shitty note ideas, but

470
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: you have a lot of titles and anyhow sorry right now,

471
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: and they hit well. I think it's such a happy

472
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: accident because literally, like I put you guys on while

473
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: I was driving earlier, and it's like all the lyrics

474
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: come running back, especially the one that wasn't supposed to

475
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: be a lyric, which is just hilarious because it made

476
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: the whole song the want. Yeah, like when I stumble

477
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 1: like when I ever I say something this like not

478
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: that funny or you know, do anything that's goofy, my

479
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: buddies will go way. So that kind of means, yeah,

480
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: I love that backstory. Um, well, so you guys did

481
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: continue on you had this huge career. You know what

482
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: else I was thinking about when I was reading It

483
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: was like the time back in the day, like when

484
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: you guys got famous, And I was because I was

485
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: reading about the stuff you were doing and like the

486
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: shows you would do and all this stuff. Could you

487
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: imagine if that was now? Like what a difference like

488
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: with social media? Like what do you think about when

489
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: bands kind of hit really big or have like a

490
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: massive song like that. Could you imagine if that had

491
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: been y'all but in this day and age, like like

492
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: hitting hitting now, Yes, I think it would be well,

493
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 1: it would be good, it would be bad on the

494
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: goods on the good side. Um again, no pun intended. Uh,

495
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: you know your your reach is so much greater, you

496
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: know it would we would know if how how we

497
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: were reacting all over the world, and it would enable

498
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: us to say we need to be touring in Malaysia,

499
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: we need to be Australia, and that that kind of stuff.

500
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: Musicians these days, when you have a hit, you control

501
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: so much of your destiny. And you know, I mean

502
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: you really. I know young arnists I work with who

503
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: are are making bank and they put their own music

504
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: out on distrot hit or sound or sound not SoundCloud,

505
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: tune corps, and so you can really control so much

506
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: more of your career. Um. But at the same time, uh,

507
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: the nineties were the heyday of the old school music

508
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: system when physical albums, especially c D, We're selling so

509
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: much and the labels were making money hand over fists.

510
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: And as a songwriter, you know, I wrote all the

511
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: songs I was. I wasn't collaborating until the two thousand,

512
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: so all those songs I had written by myself, you

513
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: know those albums. The albums were selling like hotcakes, and

514
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: I was getting paid really well as a songwriter for

515
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: those songs. So so financially, the nineties was if you

516
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: if you had hits in the nineties, that was the time,

517
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: because now here's the deal and the labels were making

518
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: more money than ever. Now let's take that too. Now

519
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: that streaming Spotify and stuff that preached that golden number

520
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: of over a hundred and ten million paid premium subscribers

521
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: of of services worldwide, of um the master use fees

522
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: because the money for a song is split into half.

523
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: Of the money that comes over song is for the

524
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: master use for the actual recording. The other half goes

525
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: of the songwriters. Well in the streaming world, and that's

526
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: really everything these days, right the streaming world, the master

527
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: use is a nice chunk of money. That's why the

528
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: late and the label gets that. So the labels are

529
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: making more money now than they ever did. It's the salladays,

530
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: all over again. But sadly, and you probably already know this,

531
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: and the listeners who to the songwriters are getting shafted

532
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: the song that els, the the service providers like Spotify

533
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: are paying us a criminally low amount. So as a songwriter,

534
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: if so, so, it's a long winded thing, But so

535
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: if I was, if I was happening today, you know,

536
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: if better than as was having their moment today, if

537
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: I own my masters, I'd be like it'd be, I'd

538
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: be doing the money dance, But more than likely I

539
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: would be laying Most musicians and have sold the master

540
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: rights to the label and only get this, So a

541
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: lot of musicians don't make as much money on the

542
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: songwriting side or for their label does and they used to.

543
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: But you do make more, you know, you get paid

544
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: more for shows and stuff, so you know, it all

545
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: evens out on this. I think it's an amazing time

546
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: to be a musician now because what I was saying earlier,

547
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: you control your own destiny. You can put if you

548
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: have a great song, you can put it out yourself,

549
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: and you control everything and and and and there's no middleman.

550
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: It's just me and you, right. So but yeah, so

551
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: did I answer that question? Yeah? You did? I mean,

552
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: and I think in the way of music, and then

553
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: maybe like the publicity aspect or how you can get

554
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: your music out there. But then again, there's also the

555
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: side of kind of being so famous and like what

556
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: people know about your personal life and all of that.

557
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: Like what was it like when you guys hit? What

558
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: did you feel this major self? Because weren't you in

559
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: your twenties, like I would imagine as a like a

560
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: young man in his twenties, you're like ready to go,

561
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, you know. Well, the thing is,

562
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, we were I was twenty six when as

563
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: you took off. We were we thought we were too old.

564
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: We used to live out it really, So we used

565
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: to lie and say we were two years old to them,

566
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: two years younger than we were. It sounds pathetic now,

567
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: but that's you know, they say about the nineties, you know,

568
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: the nineties the greatest decade ever, and no proof, right exactly,

569
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: because so I can't imagine, you know, we were just

570
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: a typically all single guys, you know, ad on tour,

571
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: being in the band and and being the number one

572
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: song and playing Letterman and Leno and and going all

573
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: over the world, and it was great, you know, and

574
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: we had so much fun and there was fun times

575
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: and debauchery and all that kind of you know, all

576
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I can't It's a different world now,

577
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: bless you, thank you. Uh, you know, it's a different

578
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: world now with social media and just also climate is

579
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: completely different, and I think for the most part for

580
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: the better, you know people, um uh you know it.

581
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: We're more civilized these days. I think, Um god, that's

582
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: giving everyone a lot of credit. I feel, well, look

583
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: at least you know, on social media, but uh, um god,

584
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't want, you know, it was

585
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 1: great playing a show and nobody had their phones up

586
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: right and it's crazy now and I love Look, I

587
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: went and saw a Silk Sonic, which is brunal. My god,

588
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: I saw it too. It's the best concert. That's the

589
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: best concert I've ever seen in a long time. Podcast

590
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: is spread the gospel of that show. Go see it

591
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: while they're in VEGUA Silk Sonic is the best show

592
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: on every Corey Corey. What's it? Choreograph, choreography, choreography, Yeah,

593
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm familis. Choreography. Stage that's uh, you know, um, wardrobe, banter, everything.

594
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, but you can't film it. You can't film

595
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: it for they make you put your phone in a

596
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: little pocket thing and they lock it up. White the

597
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: first show I went to three years ago, Jack White.

598
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: We did We went to his studio third Man, and

599
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: he played and you had to put your phone in

600
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: the little pouch and then at his show had to

601
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: send this past Saturday night. And so I love it. Um,

602
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: it was a lot, you know, gosh, I mean, it's

603
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: just different. You know, I could say why it was

604
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: better than you know, but there are great things now

605
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: and and we would have capitalized on the social media

606
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: and you know, for sales and touring, and that would

607
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: have been fun and a little scary because I look

608
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: at you know, at the same time, you know, as

609
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: a as a as as an older musician. It's funny

610
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: because now, regardless of whether I've been doing it for

611
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: a long time, my I'm still compared. You know a

612
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: lot of times people will still want to compare me

613
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: and my social presence to a twenty two year old artists,

614
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, and they've got a hundred and sixty thousand

615
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: followers and teams out and I'm like, wait, I just

616
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: sold out as in amphitheater and you can't the high

617
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: wad what's going on. So so that's that's a little

618
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: frustrating for older musicians. Sure, but you're my fan base

619
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: is aged out of being on you know, Instagram or

620
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: TikTok or whatever you know, and so so but um, yeah,

621
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: I can't. I would prefer to have had that my

622
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: moment before all all the I don't blame you. I

623
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: always say like, thank god social media didn't exist when

624
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: I was in college, because like, I don't want any

625
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: of that document you imagine documented, right, especially at l

626
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: s Q, which I know we have in commons. So yeah,

627
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: it was just so so low rent down you know what.

628
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: And that's a compliment people, right, you know, I went back.

629
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I just played Todd Graves, who's the you know, the

630
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: founder of Canes. Oh my god, yes, so I I

631
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: just played his fiftieth birthday at Fred's. No, and if

632
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: you guys don't know, Fred's is a bar that's been

633
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: just celebrated her thirtieth birthday. Wow, and you're an institution.

634
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: It's a college bar right off the campus at l

635
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: s U. But but when I went to Tiger Town

636
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: and was driving there, it hasn't changed. It's just more

637
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: beat up. It's like it's like a group of dive bars.

638
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: Bogeyes is kind of out of it. But there's like

639
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: was Dublin still there and Fred's and all of them,

640
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean, and they're all disgusting. I mean it's literally

641
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: sports illustrated. That's before your time, lass it until the

642
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: it was right next to Fred's, it was a bar.

643
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: It's illustrated. Never mind you know the copyright infringement, but

644
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: big deal, it didn't exist. Um. But yeah, I went

645
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: back and uh yeah, it was suffice to say, yes,

646
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad there was no digital proof of nanigans and

647
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: stupidity and yeah, it was a fun time though. I

648
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: mean just just you know, I kept a lot of

649
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: journals and stuff from those early tours and going through

650
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: Europe and in South America on press tours. Press tours

651
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: were the best because you would go, you would be

652
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: flown to another country. You didn't have to do shows

653
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: at night. You were just doing press in the mornings

654
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: and doing TV shows and drinking a lot. Yeah, I

655
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: mean the press tour in Germany put you know, a

656
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: lot of you took off a lot of years of

657
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: my life. It sounds like it's a fun time now. Well,

658
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: you kind of touched on the fact that you've been

659
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: in the music business for so long, and I love

660
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: this evolution you've had. We have a theme every month

661
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: here on the Velvet Edge podcast, and the theme this

662
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: month that is just being in bloom, like you're kind

663
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: of coming out of the winter hibern nation. Spring has sprung.

664
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: Everyone has learned their lessons and their hopefully hopefully applying

665
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: and evolving into the new version of themselves for spring.

666
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: And so I kind of thought of that when I

667
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: was thinking about your story of just like you started

668
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: in this massive band and then now you have evolved,

669
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: You've done a solo record. You are a part of

670
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: the Pilgrimage Music Festival, You're a founding member of that.

671
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's all these different ways that you have evolved,

672
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: So like, what what would you say? Still keeps you striving?

673
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: Because I love that story of like maybe I'm not

674
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: going to be doing this like hardcore band touring for

675
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. But how do I take

676
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: the thing that I love and keep it going? Um,

677
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: it really is. It's it's kind of a conscious I

678
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: call it conscious creativity. And um and and in two

679
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: thousand one, Uh, we have been dropped from our label,

680
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: and uh we were making we were mixing an album

681
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: at Conway Studios in l A. It's a famous studio.

682
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: It's the corner of Melroe and St. Andrew's. It's it's

683
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: a gorgeous destination studio. And behind these big terra cotta walls, Um,

684
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: there are these manicured gardens and Bougainvillea and birds of

685
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: Paradise and there's there's three studios. And we were there

686
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one in the in studio B

687
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: and Justin timber Lake was in Studio one making his

688
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: first album and and and Meat Loaf was in his

689
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: first in his studio, see making an album, and and

690
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: a manager came up to me and got named Alan Kovac,

691
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: a famous manager, and he said, Meat heard one of

692
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: your songs, and he said, you know, would you like

693
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: to would you like to write a song for Meat Loaf?

694
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: And and initially I was like, no, he's kind of

695
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: lame now, But then I ended up writing a song

696
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: for him a couple of hours later, and and then

697
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: opened up my eyes to to oh, there's there's a

698
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: lot of different paths I can take in my career.

699
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: And and I became friends with the manager and a

700
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: lot of people. If you're in the industry, you know

701
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: who Alan Kovac has. A lot of people were all

702
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: the rise because they've either had a good, good experience

703
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: or bad experience. I had a good experience. And but

704
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: he said, Kevin, he told me these really wise words.

705
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: He said, Kevin, you look at what I got. I

706
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: got real estate, I got you know, movie production, I

707
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: got management. He goes, you just got better than Ezra.

708
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: He goes, You're you're a smart kid. Diversify and so well.

709
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: And so starting there, I started writing songs for other people.

710
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: So and I started kind of like asking myself, what

711
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: do I have to do to continue to evolve creatively?

712
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: Um to bloom if you will, and and stay engaged

713
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: and relevant and um inspired and um and so I'm

714
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: all and I realized it was it was a matter

715
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: of me continuing a creative education, always being inspired and

716
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: excited by new music and new technology and new ways

717
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: to to get your music out there, and embracing things

718
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: and and and always pushing away the you know, the

719
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: killer of creed ativity, which is cynicism, you know, and

720
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: and just staying um is wide eyed and excited about

721
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: this love of music that I always have been and

722
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: and and and so with that said, how can I

723
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: continue to challenge myself within this industry that I've been

724
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: in for thirty plush years? And so it was. It

725
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: was saw you know. It was being in a band,

726
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: being a solo artist, doing a band with Martin McGrath

727
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: and from Sugar Ray and Emerson Heart from Tonic. We

728
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: call it as a Heart. We just played the NFL draft,

729
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, to a big party out on the Las

730
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: Vegas Boulevard on Thursday night. Um, you know, hey, why

731
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: can't I pub why can we know that my whole

732
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: career has been about the question why can't I do that?

733
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: You know, you know it's so, you know, I want

734
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: to I can publish somebody. So I got a j

735
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: V with BMG and and publish some writers and had

736
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: number ones for Florida, Georgia Line and and Morgan Wallen

737
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: and um, you know, managing an artist. Uh. And then

738
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: you know in um uh you know, running the day

739
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving out to Harlem Sell Farm, you know, across

740
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: the factor from the factory in Franklin, Tennessee, and going,

741
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, and you appreciate this being form Louisiana.

742
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: I was out there catching my breath and I was like,

743
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: where am I? This is a two fifty acre farm

744
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: in the middle of in the middle of the arguably

745
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: the coolest small town in America, Franklin, eighteen miles from

746
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: downtown Nashville, a mile and a half from my sixty five.

747
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a festival at Middle Tennessee, like

748
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: jazz Fest. And so my two partners are, you know,

749
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: from New Orleans, and that the whole idea of the

750
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: d n a of Pilgrimage is jazz Fest New Orleans,

751
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: you know. Um, and so so you know, it's really

752
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: I just continue wanting to grow and how can I

753
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: continue to challenge myself, scare myself and stretch myself. Uh,

754
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: in this crazy creative journey. You know, I've we were

755
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: talking earlier. I've I turned. I started doing speeches about

756
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: being creative. And about six years ago I did a

757
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: speech for YPO, which those are Young Presidents organizations. There's

758
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: over five chapters around the world of these organizations that

759
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: are members are all CEOs, and I think you have

760
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: to have so many millions and gross revenue. It's like

761
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: they don't like hearing this. But it's kind of like

762
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: a fraternity for millionaires. I'm not a member. I'm not

763
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: a member at this fraternity. Uh, but I did a

764
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: speech for them. Um, it's rare that anything good comes

765
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: in a bar after two am, especially during Monte Gras

766
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: in New World. You know F and M's of course,

767
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: it is so so this big part of my life

768
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: started at three a m. At F and M is

769
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: waiting in line for cheez rice. A friend of mine

770
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I got named Brady Wood, who was an entrepreneur from Dallas,

771
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: was in town with his YPO group, and and I

772
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: was like what what does ypo? He told me, and

773
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: I ended up doing He said, well, you should do

774
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: a speech for us. Let's do one this spring. So

775
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: so I did a speech for them about kind of

776
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: like the tools I used to stay creative, um in

777
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: a story arc of my career and with the hits

778
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: and the and the crazy stories and uh. And it

779
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: turned into this thing. I started doing speeches. I took

780
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: the speech and you know live Nation um which which

781
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: uh New York life. I just I do these speeches

782
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: and I've turned it into a book so that comes out.

783
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: It's finished. I'm just doing the Brown Books puts it out.

784
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: They want it. We may do it this fall, but

785
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be spring. So so along with

786
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: an answer, just I just love challenging myself. If I

787
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: feel like I'm getting and getting too comfortable, I'm like,

788
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: what can I do? And it's also you know, it's

789
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: also like I'm I wake up in the middle of

790
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: the night going you know, am I doing enough? Am

791
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: I making just like anybody else? You know, those like

792
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: am I making enough money? And what am I doing?

793
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: You know, because I'm still hungry. I'm still you know,

794
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: I've always been driven and Um so I and it's

795
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: and it's usually about challenging myself and doing something. So

796
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: my my blooming is is continually, how do I take

797
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: the kernel of what I know really well, which is music,

798
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: and and the tree that you know, the family tree

799
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: of music? How can I do everything within that family

800
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: tree other than dance? Oh okay, so that's where you

801
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: draw the line. Huh sadly no, not on theworlands at

802
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: three am. I best know. I've been up on that.

803
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: I've been on that pool table dancing before. I bet

804
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: you've been on that pool table to every Friday night.

805
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: This is why I'm really glad social media did not exist.

806
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Nellie was at jazz Festis last Yeah, Nellie was at

807
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: jazz Fessus last weekend, and I was like, oh god,

808
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: speaking of Tigerland. I mean back in Nellie's heyday was

809
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: like when I was in college, so like tore it

810
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: up on those pool tables. Uh. Um. I was wondering too,

811
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: because you've had such a hit, so many hits as

812
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: a songwriter. Um, I had no idea you were a

813
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: part of Howie Days Collide. I mean that song was

814
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: a massive, but so what does it feel like is

815
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: there a difference between when it's your song you're performing it,

816
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: and then when you give it off to someone else,

817
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: like does it feel the same, do you feel different?

818
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Like does it feel this as like was this the

819
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: success feel like? I guess I think it. Uh. It's

820
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: great because because um uh, you realize that you don't

821
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: have to be on tour to support the song. You

822
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: don't have to wake up, you don't have to sleep

823
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: in your bus in the parking lot of the you know,

824
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: the radio station and do the morning show. You can

825
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: just sit back and you know that that was a

826
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: song you know, and and collect your royalties. Um. And

827
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: it's really good. And I think every musician you know,

828
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: again I go back to, you know, unless you're Chris

829
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: Mark or something like that, you know, every musicians wants

830
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: to wants to be known for something more than just

831
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: their band. I'm not just that. Yeah, I'm relevant. I'm

832
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: still relevant kind of thing. So I think for my ego,

833
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: it made me feel like, you know, like, hey, yeah,

834
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: I'm in that band better than Ezra, but I'm a

835
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: hit songwriter. You know. It's give me a lot of

836
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: confidence and you know, as sallow as it is, I'll

837
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: be the first to admit that I have a big ego,

838
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: and so it was felt nice. And that was two

839
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: thousand and six to say, look, I have a number

840
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: one song, you know. And so I think it was

841
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: really gratifying professionally to know that, Okay, I'm not I'm

842
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: not just you know, on one hand, a shallow side,

843
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not what I'm not just a person

844
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: who had hits. I have current hits. Um. But it

845
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: was really gratifying because you know, um, I'll always sound

846
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: like me singing, and I'll and you know, you know,

847
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: and I can't escape that I have certain chre progressions

848
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: and things I do that sounds like my songwriting and

849
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: I and I can hear it now my friends have

850
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: heard it for a long time. But but so it's

851
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: really nice. When I write for another artist, I really

852
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: kind of get to become a chameleon. I think there's

853
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: two kind of songwriters, um who collaborate. There the songwriters

854
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: that when you write a song with him, it sounds

855
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: like that songwriter, Like I can hear when Ryan Tedder

856
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: has been a part of the song. I can tell

857
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Tedder or Jack Antonoff, you know, leatures I can

858
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: hear when he's part of I'm like, like, I heard

859
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: the New Spoon song it's called Wild. I was like,

860
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: that's that's Jack antonof had to be part of that.

861
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: And I looked up on Spotify. You know, it's like

862
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: back and stuff. But then then there's the songwriters who

863
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: are kind of chameleons, who who listened to an artist

864
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: and like, Okay, how can I It goes back to

865
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: me being a good Well, I do impressions, whether they're

866
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: good or not. But I'm I'm kind of an impression

867
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: chameleon in that way, and I love listening to an artist,

868
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: like working today, I was writing with an artist up

869
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: in the in the Nation's you know, outside Bill and I,

870
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, on the drive there and last night, I'm

871
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: just listening to the music and how can I get

872
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: in their head and make what they do better hopefully

873
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: and come up with a great hook that they dig

874
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: so um so so to answer your question long when

875
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: you know it's it's really gratifying and it keeps me

876
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: writing for other artists. It makes my songwriter, my songwriting

877
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: for me fresher, and it stays relevant because I'm always

878
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: listening to new music and I'm writing with artists who

879
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: are in their twenties and and and I love and

880
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: I love it because I'm into the music they're making.

881
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: And so when I'm writing my own music, you know,

882
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: it rubs off. It's just awesome. If I'm writing a

883
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: song for this, for this person who's you know, like

884
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: dream pop, you know, um, you know, uh, it comes

885
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: off and better than as their song or a solo

886
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: song or something like that. I just love it because

887
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: I feel like it's you know, I feel we put

888
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: this pressure on our life, like get successful in your

889
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: twenties or your thirties or whatever. And then like I've

890
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 1: had this story in my head. I'm about to turn

891
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: forty and I've been like, well I'm done. I guess

892
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: like this. I feel like there's this message that I

893
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: got somewhere that was like, oh god, life is over.

894
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: And I had um this fashion designer on the podcast

895
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: Norma Comali. She's seventies six. Yes, she's fucking amazing, by

896
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: the way, and she dropped so much wisdom on me.

897
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: But she um, I told her I was about term

898
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: forty and she I said, I just have this like

899
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: story in my head that it's done. And she started

900
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: laughing and she was like, I was like, why are

901
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: you laughing? She was old, that's hilarious because she said,

902
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a constant evolution and we take

903
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: the little pieces we learned along the way, Like you've

904
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: taken what you learned in better than Ezra and doing

905
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: all that stuff in a group, and now it's evolved

906
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: into a songwriting career and a publishing career and a

907
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: music festival and writing a book and all of these things.

908
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: But it's not like you lost that initial learning. Does

909
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: that make sense? It totally makes sense. And look, just

910
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier, you know, when I was

911
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: twenty six, I thought I was too old. I was like,

912
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know we haven't been signed. It's

913
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: all over. Yeah, nothing I can tell There's nothing I

914
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: can tell you that won't make you feel that feeling

915
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: when you're about you about I'm turning forty in July. Yeah. Yeah,

916
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: but but you know, uh, that's just that it's self imposting,

917
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: and maybe it's drive, or maybe it's society puts these things,

918
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: these these fake narratives inter brain about should be this

919
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: where a certain age man, I have been a late bloomer.

920
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: My entire Yeah. Really, I write with people who were

921
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: eighteen years old and they're so fucking good. I sucked

922
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: when I was eighteen. Yeah, you know it took me

923
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: a while. I mean, like everything I've done, it's it's

924
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: because of his repetition and perseverance and not quitting. You

925
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: know this. I mean it's a it's a world of nose.

926
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: It's a world of especially if doing what you I

927
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: want to do this. I want to be a podcast

928
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: and I had this drive I want to be a songwriter, musician,

929
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: be this ban and you just deal with tons of

930
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: people just saying no, and you just have to believe

931
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: it's not the best. It's not the most talented and

932
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: the most and the most intelligent people that make it.

933
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: It's the people who are just a little below that,

934
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: who don't fit. Yeah. And so you know, through your

935
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: through your life, you're always racked with self doubt, like

936
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: what am I doing? I should be here and look

937
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: at my look at that my peers. There's some much

938
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: more successful And this is I mean, here's a great example.

939
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: You gotta you also have to have a good sense

940
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: of humor, like Thursday Night as a ray Heart, that

941
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 1: kind of band I put together this, according to Rolling

942
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: Stone last month, a semi supergroup, that's what they called it.

943
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: A little bit like shots fired. Oh no, they're gonna

944
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: give it. They're gonna give it. They can't group, you know. Um.

945
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: But we were playing this this, you know, this amazing

946
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: private event for the NFL Draft at the Bellagio and

947
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: it's super lux and we flew in first class and

948
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: did it. And then fast forward two nights later, I'm

949
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: playing with Ezra at the Louisiana State Fair in Shreveport

950
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: and it's raining, just shitty. There's there's prety people out there.

951
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: Nobody knows about this show, and it's just like what

952
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: the funk calling my manager like, look, don't get me wrong,

953
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: it was a great payday, but I'm like, we never

954
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: need to do this again. This is bad. Look, this

955
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: is not good for myself arder. But you know, you

956
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: just laugh, you know. So it's ups and downs. You're like, man,

957
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: this is you know so and so doing this, But

958
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: and you just keep going and you and you're evolving,

959
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: and like Normacamali said, you know, as as you get old,

960
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, it's the journey and it's just these

961
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: evolutions these new seasons in your life, these new challenges

962
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: always and it's just fucking great, you know. And I'm

963
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: more excited and engaged and i've ever been, and it's

964
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: it's really cool. At the same time, I just love,

965
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so appreciative of the of the career

966
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: so far and and and um and where it's taken

967
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: me in the lessons and and ups and downs and

968
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: the you know, the tough times too. Yeah. I mean

969
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: it's like you said earlier, the tragedies sometimes teaches the

970
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: most too. So I've been in a season of kind

971
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: of like a hardship, so I think that's why I

972
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is over. But now that I'm

973
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: coming out of it, and I think actually, like culturally

974
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: we were all kind of in that with the pandemic

975
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: and stuff, but it really does feel like, Okay, what

976
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: have I done so far? What can I take from that?

977
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: And then what's next? Like there's just always this It's

978
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: a whole world out there, you know. How do I

979
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: want to take what I know in my skill set

980
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: and keep growing and keep growing and you know, and

981
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: always believing that you you have the ability to have

982
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,479
Speaker 1: a second chapter. And it's second in the fourth act.

983
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: And and you know, hopefully as you get older you

984
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: get more self awareness and you know, and you can

985
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, take inventory of yourself and saying what is

986
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: what there is an asset and what is holding me down?

987
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: You know? And uh and and hope those things happen

988
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: to you in your life where you have to have

989
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: a you know, a gut check and say this, I'm

990
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: not going down the path I want to go and

991
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: how do I change that up? And that's when those

992
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: are the tough moments, are the moments you grow you know, Yeah,

993
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: that's untrue for me for sure. Well, let's talk about

994
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: what you have coming up, because I know Pilgrimage is

995
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: in September. Is that her Calin is like get to Pilgrimage.

996
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: His publicist is on this call to UM. Yes, Pilgrimage Festival.

997
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: We're about to have her eight are technically our eighth

998
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: festival UM September at the park at harlems Zell Farm

999
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: in Franklin, Tennessee. Who is headlining this year Chris Stapleton, Yes,

1000
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: Brandy Carlyle, The Avid Brothers, the Biggest Grammy winner of

1001
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:19,959
Speaker 1: the year, John Battiss, Louisiana Boy Lucy Yes uh and

1002
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: and a host of others um l King, Molly Tuttle

1003
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: better than Ezra. It's amazing lineup this year and it's

1004
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: really you know, every year. We we wanted Pilgrimage Festival

1005
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: to be a multi genre festival, um, just like jazz fests,

1006
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: you know. And if you look at our history, whether

1007
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: in our past we've had everybody from Wolley Nelson to

1008
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: Beck to Holland Oates, two Dawes to Dr John to

1009
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake to Eddie Vetter, the Killers, the Food Fighters,

1010
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: Marion Morris, Keith Urban, It's it's all across the map

1011
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: and and and some of our peers like, what are

1012
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: you doing? You know, you've got to be one thing um,

1013
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: And we're like, no, let me see your pot your

1014
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: Spotify playlist, you know, let me see what you listen

1015
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: to and Spotify. Ah. It's kind of schizophrenic people to

1016
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: all types of music, and the unifying thread needs to

1017
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: be that it's authentic, that it's just good. You know.

1018
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: It's just like we were talking about our session today.

1019
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: You know, whether you like pop music or not, you

1020
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: have to admit that Harry Styles is fucking great. Oh

1021
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: my best. Who does it like style? Yeah, some indie

1022
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: hipster and you hate everything you gotta unless you're just

1023
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: a douche great, you know, you know what I mean,

1024
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: it's great, you know, and there's and so justin Timberlake

1025
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: or you know, just just just greatness, you know. And

1026
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: that's really what that said. This year is I think

1027
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: it just kind of happens Sance and the way the

1028
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: way it all shook out. Um, this year is kind

1029
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: of our most cohesive lineup. It's very Americana this year.

1030
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: It has some great classic country in it. I'm really

1031
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: excited by this lineup and and and the ticket sales

1032
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: have been great and we're just we're thrilled, you know,

1033
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: and it just gets more. It's you know, we have

1034
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: so many elements of the festival that I'm excited about. Yeah,

1035
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: I've been a couple of times and it's always amazing.

1036
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm coming this year, so there, Yes, yes, I cannot wait.

1037
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: I actually love also the time of year that it

1038
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: is because it's a really beautiful time in Nashville. The

1039
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: venue is easy to get to or the few what

1040
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: do you call it a field park? The park Okay, Yeah,

1041
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: it's just easy to navigate, I feel, and you wouldn't

1042
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: think it because it's well now, it's they just finished

1043
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: this three lane road three lane road out and then

1044
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: there's Liberty Pike, which kind of hits it perpendicularly. The

1045
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: ingress and egress is amazing. People get in. That's technical. Uh, Kelly,

1046
00:58:54,600 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: game actually matters, it does it doesn't matter, remember, and

1047
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: people are brutal on social media. A couple of three people,

1048
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, but it's it's just, you know, it's a

1049
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: farm that could hold eighty people. We limited to people

1050
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: wanted just to be fun in lots of elbow room.

1051
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: And you know, the cool thing about Harlemsdale is that

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Speaker 1: the buildings are on the Historic Register, that the farm

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Speaker 1: itself as a headliner, and and we just have you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not only a celebration of the great music of

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Speaker 1: Middle Tennessee, but it's of the great artisans and the

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Speaker 1: makers and and the food and the libations and the

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Speaker 1: local distilleries, and it's just it's a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: Middle Tennessee. Yeah. Yeah, festival dot com. Did I say that?

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Speaker 1: Pilgrimage Festival dot com you guys, in case you didn't

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Speaker 1: hear that, But yes, tickets are still for sale, and

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Speaker 1: um it's September, am I getting there right? Okay, So

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Speaker 1: go check it out, especially if you just want to

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Speaker 1: take a trip to Nashville. I do think this would

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Speaker 1: be a good weekend to do. So that's a great weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: staying for a whole week, the weekend before Pearl Jam

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Speaker 1: plays at Stay for the week. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: get much better than that. It bookend it with Pearl

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Speaker 1: Jam and Programmage Festival sounds amazing. We planned their trip,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, you guys, let us know how that goes. Kevin,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here. I'm so glad I met

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Speaker 1: you in the airport. I'm so glad that we we

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Speaker 1: didn't really meet though. It was just it was like

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Speaker 1: an anonymous meeting. Yes, yeah, what it was. It was

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Speaker 1: a Louisiana thing. It had to be. We recognize that.

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Speaker 1: It's like even in the eyes, you can just see it.

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Speaker 1: They have really dark, twisted past, but a little Cajun

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Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. They've danced on that pool table, yes exactly.

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Speaker 1: And you know how to say choppatolas? Yeah, um, where

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Speaker 1: can people find you? Do? You know your Instagram handle?

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Speaker 1: You said it's not really okay? Oh, my god, I'm

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Speaker 1: sadly into it. Sadly. Oh good, this is good. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about it. It's Kevin M Griffin Instagram and Twitter. Um,

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Speaker 1: don't man, you know, I don't do TikTok. I just

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Speaker 1: I would never work. Um, and then you know, I

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Speaker 1: post on Instagram and then I shoot it to Twitter

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Speaker 1: into Facebook. But um, you know as Ezra better Than

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Speaker 1: has a new album coming out this fall? What yes,

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Speaker 1: I missed this sing a new album coming out? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this is exciting. We want to say the name,

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Speaker 1: but we're not saying the name. When's this coming out?

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Speaker 1: What is this going to be coming out? Next week?

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Speaker 1: So you probably want coming out? Um, Pilgrimage Festival. Um

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Speaker 1: a book in the first quarter of three. Then I'll

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Speaker 1: be going out up solo and I'll be doing a

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Speaker 1: book tour around the country for and you do. I'd

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Speaker 1: love to come back on the podcast. Actually would love

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Speaker 1: that because what you're talking about in that book, I

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Speaker 1: was going to ask what it was about, obviously, but

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Speaker 1: I love the idea of just diving into all the

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Speaker 1: creative suggestions you have. I think people really need to

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Speaker 1: hear this. So yes, it'll be a whole podcast the

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Speaker 1: books called the greatest song. Okay, it's a parable about

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Speaker 1: a songwriter. Amazing. Well, we'll have you back on. So

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Speaker 1: this was just an introduction for you people, and and Kevin.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back. This is a moose bush, yes, little appati,

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Speaker 1: this is the land. Yeah, share? Where in Louisiana are

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Speaker 1: you from? I was born in Lafyat, lived there till

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Speaker 1: I was eight, and then Baton Rouge through l s

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Speaker 1: U and then came straight here and what was your

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Speaker 1: what was your major public relations? How things go? Then

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Speaker 1: I moved up here and started doing here and makeup

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Speaker 1: and styling, so yeah, the rest is history here. Where

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Speaker 1: are at the velvet? Yeah exactly. Now I have any

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Speaker 1: theme song and everything, so I'm gonna have to hear

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Speaker 1: that because I think I could have done it. I'll

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Speaker 1: listen it to you. Hey, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: having and continued success, and I'll see you a couple

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Speaker 1: of pass cannot wait, and thank you for being here

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Speaker 1: so much. I know that people are going to love

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Speaker 1: this and we will have you back on really soon. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I would love it. Thank you guys for listening