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Speaker 3: From the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 4: It's Around the NFL. I am Dan Hanss. I am

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Speaker 4: joined my heroes.

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Speaker 3: Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. What's up, guys? Whoa good?

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Speaker 3: Who's on the camera today?

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: There a lot of cuts.

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Speaker 3: Whoa Sammy did a trip?

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Speaker 4: Check out the YouTube show Sam did the triple do

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Speaker 4: it again? Sam ready started on they I'm Dan Hanss

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Speaker 4: and I'm joined by heroes Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 3: Get him a round of applause.

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Speaker 2: Terrence malickpack there.

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Speaker 1: This is like, it's like we've got our own family sitcom.

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Speaker 1: Sam's is Jazz that biggest you know, Celtics fan, I know,

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Speaker 3: Oh very good.

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Speaker 4: Don't get too excited, though, Sam the New England Sports Fan, because, uh,

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Speaker 4: in just a minute or two, we're going to bring

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Speaker 4: back a staple of Around the NFL. It is, of course,

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Speaker 4: our famous segment, flashpoint Focus is back.

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Speaker 3: Ooh those pipes. La said, it's back. Reggy.

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Speaker 4: so we got maybe start doing some under the table payments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, red tape of a mass of corporation coming to

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Speaker 3: Great. Good job.

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Speaker 4: By the way, before we get to Tom Curran on

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Speaker 4: the Patriots, you pointed out in a recent tweet eleven

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Speaker 4: seasons in the Around the NFL podcast had our best

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Speaker 4: month ever in September over three point six million down loads.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all. That is very cool.

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Speaker 1: It is exciting.

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Speaker 3: I would have rounded it up to four.

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't know. People don't know what they don't know.

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Speaker 4: The most exciting thing crushes our enemies when they see, well,

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Speaker 3: With the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it pointed that out our own, not that

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Speaker 5: We're time to check the sink on these podcast posos.

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Speaker 4: And we couldn't do it without you guys. And I

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Speaker 3: People all over the world have supported our show and

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Speaker 3: we're so thankful, So thank you everybody. Now to the

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Speaker 4: Coming up later we have the Island Games and another

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Speaker 2: People have been waiting for this, That's what I've been hearing.

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Speaker 3: Journalistically.

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Speaker 4: We're at the top of our game when flashpoint focus

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Speaker 4: flashpoint focuses on the New England Patriots. And who better

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Speaker 4: than the Pats. Insider for NBC Sports Boston and a

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Speaker 3: What's up Tom, Tom, tom.

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Speaker 5: My, guys, thank you very much for having me. No

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Speaker 5: It's jarring. It really is jarring because you know, you

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Speaker 5: They are so unpatriotic. They are so far from a

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Speaker 1: I listened to the Tom Karn's Patriots Talk podcast with

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Speaker 5: Like who lasts longer? Bill or Mack? Where do they

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Speaker 5: because I kept explaining away the penalties and the turnovers

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Speaker 5: God bless him. But Trent Brown was a seventh round pick.

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Speaker 5: They won eight games and now they're one in three.

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Speaker 4: Calm down, Greg, it's over and by the way, Tom title, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: as I was thinking twenty eighteen as a Jets van Tom,

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Speaker 4: you have no idea of all the frustrations I have

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Speaker 2: Well, fair point on the Jets. You mentioned in your

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Speaker 5: The interesting thing is the evidence Mark is lying kind

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Speaker 5: done enough saber rattling to indicate he wants results. The

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Speaker 5: It's about quality control, and I said that all off season.

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Speaker 5: Apparently I needed the sneeze button.

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Speaker 5: That's where it is.

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Speaker 4: And I think there's a bit of a wicked irony

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Speaker 5: Bill tries to intimate that he has deferred a great

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Speaker 5: it's not the case. Bill still oh is the overlord

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Speaker 5: beyond salvaging. It was an embarrassment. The other day he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think There's always been an underlying ego

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Speaker 1: of course they all have big egos. They were all

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Speaker 5: He's inflamed, Like, look at their best players. Kyle Dugger,

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Speaker 5: That's why in general, and I think it's all passed out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are one of the you know, less than

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Speaker 5: I don't blame him. There's probably aside from aside from us,

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Speaker 5: nor does he have the same network of young coaches

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00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 5: around him that he did in the two thousands. All

437
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 5: these guys rising up at once, He's got guys who

438
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 5: came up in the same sphere as him. It's a

439
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 5: hard place to work, so guys have short money, long hours,

440
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 5: and kind of a humorless atmosphere to work in, so

441
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 5: it's not a fun place to be. So he doesn't

442
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 5: have a great, experienced, huge coaching staff. How is Bilo

443
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 5: was the question? He's under siege and there was an

444
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 5: interesting comment Remember this, Greg Gill, Remember this. A woman

445
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 5: asked something about after the twenty nineteen playoff loss where

446
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 5: they lost to Tennessee. A woman asked a benine question,

447
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 5: not a great question for Bill, but after the loss,

448
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 5: what do you have to say to the fans? I mean,

449
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 5: they've been with you through thick and thin. And Bill

450
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 5: looks at her, cuts her off and says, I mean,

451
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 5: I'll due respect. I don't think there's been a lot

452
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Speaker 5: of thin around here, and I that is very much.

453
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Speaker 5: I think his mindset, whether it's me who used to

454
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Speaker 5: have a great eye Bill, we're having a good time

455
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Speaker 5: and now I'm kind of a dank as far as

456
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 5: he's concerned. Probably he probably looks at me and goes,

457
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Speaker 5: you know what, I got a nice life right now

458
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 5: because you covered the Patriots while I was here, and

459
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 5: look at you, you know, look at you now. You

460
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 5: had a pretty good I made it pretty good for you,

461
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 5: didn't I And look at you.

462
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Speaker 3: You weasel now.

463
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Speaker 5: So I think that there's a lot of that out

464
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 5: where he's bitter that he delivered so much to this region.

465
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Speaker 5: And now we're all saying, I mean on the hot seat.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's fair too, Like multiple things

467
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 1: can be true. You are a dink, Multiple things can

468
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: be true.

469
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Speaker 5: You're gott to try and get rid of me. But

470
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Speaker 5: here's the interesting thing. And I have felt bad about

471
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 5: talking about Bill's hot seat, but whether it's Logan Mankins

472
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 5: or Richard Seymour or Tom Brady or you name it,

473
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Speaker 5: Bill had no problem when those players had outlived what

474
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Speaker 5: he considered to be their expiration date. Sam, sorry, we

475
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Speaker 5: got we can't keep go on with this, right, And

476
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Speaker 5: so it's weird that I feel badly and he walking about.

477
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Speaker 3: It with Bill and Tom.

478
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: He was famous for getting a guy getting rid of

479
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 4: a guy a year or two too soon before it

480
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 4: was way past the expiration date. And maybe now Craft

481
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 4: is going to do the same to him before we

482
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Speaker 4: say goodbye.

483
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 3: And by the way, check out the Patriots Stock podcast.

484
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: Check out Tom on NBC where he's got hot takes

485
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 4: and he uses mccorkel, and it's all fun. It's circling

486
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 4: back to what you said. You lobbed it to us.

487
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 4: The legacy of it all from my perspective, and I'm

488
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 4: curious what you guys think that. I think Craft's legacy

489
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 4: is secured. Six rings, nine conference titles. Yes, it got

490
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Speaker 4: a little sloppy in the back end. Even Belichick, you

491
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Speaker 4: could say his legacy is a little bit tarnished at

492
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Speaker 4: this point. But Washington, what I'm saying is, I think

493
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Speaker 4: he's okay too. I think the person who really came

494
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Speaker 4: out on top here tom is Brady. I think Brady

495
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Speaker 4: is the ultimate winner of the way this all played out.

496
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Speaker 4: I think everyone else is going to go to the

497
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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, but it was Brady who left, and

498
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Speaker 4: then the Patriots dynasty crumbled with him not there.

499
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Speaker 3: That's where I come to.

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Speaker 5: And he's such a nice guy legitimately, and I know

501
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Speaker 5: that after twenty three years of watching him, we see

502
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Speaker 5: his eccentricities and wonder if he's genuine. I do believe

503
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Speaker 5: he's a genuine guy. He's such a nice guy that

504
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 5: I bet he feels so friggin bad for Belichick. I

505
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 5: bet he does. He does not take any pleasure in

506
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 5: it because he's a he is a card carrying good

507
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 5: fella and he gets it out of a system that

508
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 5: he was pissed, I think. And he doesn't want to

509
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Speaker 5: see Belichick go down in flames. I mean I don't

510
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 5: really either.

511
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Speaker 3: Who does?

512
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Speaker 1: I mean some people do, Dan does? This guy does.

513
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Speaker 1: That's fine, I get it.

514
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Speaker 3: You care.

515
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: It's smart.

516
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Speaker 4: He's gotten his come up in, but he's had a

517
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Speaker 4: great run. Tom, Thank you, sir. You are if you well,

518
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Speaker 4: it's Bill that called you a dink. I don't think

519
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 4: you're a dank.

520
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Speaker 1: Didn't he didn't call him a dnk.

521
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Speaker 3: Well you think he might find it to be a dink.

522
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 4: We are dinks, So maybe if you are a dink

523
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 4: and Bill is right, that's why we get on so well,

524
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 4: just for dinks, chopping it up, chopping up the Hey,

525
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 4: maybe we'll do a spin off pod fo dinks. All right,

526
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Speaker 4: Thanks Bob.

527
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 5: Great talking to you, all right.

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Speaker 3: Love Tom Kurrn. He is the man.

530
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: And again that's why in a lot of ways, Mark,

531
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Speaker 4: this is the crown jewel segment around the NFL. Yeah, oow,

532
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 4: the flashpoint focus because it's not just it's not just

533
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: about talking about the NFL and what's happening now. It's

534
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: letting people know what's ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean our inaugural episode came out of a

536
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: combine thing tank where there was a lot of whispers

537
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: around at that time. Baker Mayfield and Cleveland's like, how

538
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: would you even suggest they move on from him? Back then?

539
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: Then like a week later it was a national storyline.

540
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: We dug in on the cults. About a week later,

541
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Speaker 2: national storyline going into bizarre areas. People are talking about this.

542
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: There's some surmising, except I think he went deeper with us.

543
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: In a week from now, everyone will be talking about it.

544
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Speaker 4: It happened so many times over the past ten or

545
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Speaker 4: so years. Greg didn't see it, and I'm like, Greg,

546
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 4: you gotta come, come on this journey with us. Come

547
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 4: And He's like, no, pushing back, pushing back, and now.

548
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Speaker 1: What you're trying to bring this old canard back.

549
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: This was when we brought the showman scenario and that

550
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: you just have to.

551
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: Have it does all connect because as he was talking

552
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: about Tom Brady being such a good fella, I was

553
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: thinking he's getting tested with that because a certain Baker

554
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: Mayfield the first flashpoint focus subject is out playing what

555
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was doing in twenty twenty two. It's kind

556
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: interested for four games.

557
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: Doesn't feel like a nash for four games.

558
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: That's not a national story line, but for for four games,

559
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: and it's great. It's crazy that Patriots are so underground

560
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: that like trading for J. C. Jackson, who was got

561
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: the most you know, guaranteed money of any free agent

562
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: just a year and a half ago. It just feels

563
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: like that's a nothing burg.

564
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's to his point that he Bill's just

565
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: bringing back one of his guys, right right. Where's the imagination,

566
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: where's the creativity? It doesn't exist?

567
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 4: Uh, pretty wild, Pretty wild? And Mark was co executive

568
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: producer of that segment. Yeah, let's go get a drink AUP.

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's another victory.

570
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't get a producer credit for tech exteen.

571
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Speaker 1: Tom My longtime relationship with Tom. I used to work

572
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Speaker 1: with him back in the day.

573
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Speaker 3: You I like that.

574
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Speaker 2: If you didn't mention that publicly, but you just kind

575
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Speaker 2: of did it quietly and humbly behind the scenes, we

576
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Speaker 2: would want.

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Speaker 1: To know you you not so humbly just gave yourself Well,

578
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: this is what I read executive series.

579
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Speaker 4: You've joined us now and if you want, if you

580
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 4: want a credit production credit, Mark and I would be

581
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: happy that more than station.

582
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't verbally spar with us, but then also

583
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: want the title. So and while taking credit for securing

584
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: the guests, there's a lot happening.

585
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Speaker 1: Well, that's where the producer credit comes from. Securing the game.

586
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: Oh, it's the idea of the original idea conceived by market.

587
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: What's I created by what's the idea? Talk about a topic?

588
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: See, this is what I know.

589
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's ault.

590
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 4: It's vision over visibility. And that's it was never just

591
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: the topic. It's about what people aren't talking about.

592
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: Yet we're going to take massive strays for the rest

593
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Speaker 2: of the show. After what you've just tried to do

594
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: to Greg.

595
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Speaker 1: I know I couldn't do that to Mark on haircut day.

596
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: He looking good? Oh yeah, I like it.

597
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: Pivot So this is this is London haircut Sessler give

598
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: him is a guitar. This is Sessler two point zero.

599
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 4: I love it because you got the Vicious v Black tea, right,

600
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 4: you got Harley Levi Yeah, and now you got the cut,

601
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: so Frash, you're ready for London.

602
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I needed a haircut for London. My hair was

603
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: turning into a disaster. But it was more like looking good.

604
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: There's a little birthday boy haircut. Now you either come

605
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: in like two art because I've like, literally my entire

606
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: wardrobe is in that locker room downstairs. Either I go

607
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: through the Shenanigans of changing into another shirt and I

608
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: was like, no, not doing that today.

609
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: This is this is your look now.

610
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Speaker 2: I was in two point oh, Like I was like,

611
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: there's many, you know, changes throughout life. I would say

612
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: I didn't go from a child's clothing into this.

613
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: But startorally there's a lot of everybody gets self conscious

614
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: in the studio about it. Okay, I'm saying if you

615
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: look at and we've all evolved in different ways, if

616
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 4: you look at what Mark was wearing twenty sixteen on the.

617
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Speaker 3: Show, yeah, flash point. This could be a flashpoint focus.

618
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we wanted to and the off season Marks

619
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Speaker 1: look great.

620
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: I I, uh, you know, wear this almost every day.

621
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Speaker 2: So it's like an action figure type scenario. But thank

622
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: you if you mean what I'm going back to. I

623
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: think Greg has been a Greg the bigger fashion change.

624
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: Point five though, I believe this is the oldest T

625
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: shirt I own. It's a Dice game mat shirt from

626
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Speaker 1: about two thousand and Dice G eight.

627
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 4: I don't know when did he pop over. I think

628
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: he got there around O six and was there maybe

629
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Speaker 4: untill ten or so in that zone. Nobody care. All right,

630
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 4: let's take a break and when we get back we

631
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Speaker 4: will hit the previews of the Island games ahead of

632
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Speaker 4: week five. Stay right there, all right, welcome back, and yes,

633
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 4: a week from tomorrow, speaking of London and our connection

634
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: with the great fans of the England, the United king

635
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: Them and surrounding territories, will be at the Shaw Theater

636
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 4: in London next Thursday for our latest live show, and

637
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: that will be a great old time, a gay old time.

638
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: All right, let's get to it, starting with Thursday Night football.

639
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: Is we dig into week five? Here we go, man,

640
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: we're at the quarter pole.

641
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: Guys.

642
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: It is nice before all the bye weeks start messing

643
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: up with like, you know, the stats, like now, oh,

644
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: the leader in passing yards. Yeah, but this guy only

645
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: played four games, you know, so I like the quarter pole.

646
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: A good time to check in. It's the beginning of

647
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 4: the bye week. Brown's Chargers, Seahawks and Bucks are off.

648
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: Let's start with Thursday night, though, where the Chicago Bears

649
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: still looking for that first win after.

650
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: A just oh brutal, brutal.

651
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: Loss to the Broncos, a game they were up twenty

652
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: eight to seven in they're building and hope it finally

653
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Speaker 4: infiltrated Soldier Field, only to be snuffed out by poor

654
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: play down the stretch and some real suspect.

655
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: Coaching decisions and execution blurg.

656
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 4: Now they head to Landover to face the Commanders and

657
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: Mark Sessler. Let's start with the Commanders here, because I

658
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: checked that game out this morning before he came in,

659
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: and there are a lot of things I liked about

660
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: the Commanders, even though they fell short in Philly in overtime.

661
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: I love how you had the young quarterback Sam Howe

662
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 4: throwing four interceptions in a blowout the previous week. And

663
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: what do they do? What does Riverboat Ron and company do?

664
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: They come out that first drive and he's throwing right

665
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: off the bat, two passes connecting with Terry. They score

666
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: a touchdown on the first possession, then the second possession,

667
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: and then they go kind of punch for punch with

668
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: the defending conference champions. So you're feeling good about this

669
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: team and their progress moving forward. This seems like with

670
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: new ownership in primetime against a franchise in the wilderness,

671
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: Bears in the Wilderness, a great setup for a celebration

672
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: for the Commanders.

673
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because one of my notes right here

674
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: was this is one of those Island TNF games that

675
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: will turn into a celebration of a Midlean home team.

676
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm not calling them Midley, but they're just part of

677
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: the mix that looks like a world beater because you

678
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: come out of these TNF games, it's a separate environment

679
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: than Sunday where it be lost in a fog, and

680
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: I think Washington has all the pieces to absolutely take

681
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: care of business in this game. I watched that Eagles

682
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: showdown too, and they open with that fourteen play seventy

683
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: five yard drive, and I think it kind of showed

684
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: different pieces of their offense who they are, and that

685
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: with Sam Howell, you're gonna live with the sacks, You're

686
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: gonna live with the mistakes for now because of the upside,

687
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: and this Commander's defensive line on the flip side is

688
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: going against Chicago's worst ranked run blocking U That sounds

689
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: like chaos for a team that has not dealt with

690
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: duress at well at all, and Howell is facing Chicago's

691
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: PFF ranked them as the worst ranked pass rush and

692
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: it shows they don't have the horses there on that part,

693
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: on that side of the field. So if you can

694
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: get a safe howl, and I think you can run

695
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: on this team and keep it kind of exactly what

696
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: you want. These thirst games. It's like you go do

697
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: what you would do well as a core and then

698
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: you look ato like Washington's defensive line Toron Payne Montes sweat,

699
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen, Chase Young. I kind of just loved this

700
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 2: whole Formula four, as you said, a celebration for Washington

701
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: after twenty plus years as.

702
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: A mess I was surprised early on. I peaked at

703
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: the line in this game. It's Washington now by five

704
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: and a half. It was over the lock zwone even

705
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: seven right, which.

706
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: I'm seeing at six, which is too much.

707
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: Respect, I think to me, Chicago last week at least

708
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: had a really encouraging offensive performance, and Washington's got to

709
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: look at this. And you mentioned the roster they have

710
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: on defense. They've built up this defense as the core

711
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: of their team and have to look at last week

712
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: as a missed opportunity because they got an a game

713
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: out of how I mean, that was as good as

714
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: you could hope for against Philadelphia. They're moving the ball

715
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: up and down the field. He's playing clutch. You put

716
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: up over thirty points against the Eagles defense. You want

717
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: to get out of it with no turnover? Do you

718
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: want to get out of there with a win? But

719
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: the defense let them down. I don't think Sam Howell

720
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: lets him down though this week. Like look right now,

721
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: he's probably the best quarterback from his draft class. I

722
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: guess forty nine Ers fans would would push back pretty

723
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: hard on that with brock perty, but it's one of

724
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: those two guys I would push either the last guy

725
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: in the draft or a fifth round pick.

726
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 4: In terms of you think that Howl has been better

727
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: than Party so far, I know he's in a much

728
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: better situation.

729
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: No, he needs to play more to know. But he

730
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 1: did things in that game certainly that you haven't seen

731
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: Pretty do. It's tough to take Pretty out of that.

732
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: You're that disrespect No, I totally, I totally disagree, but

733
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: like I do not disagree that Sam Howel's been a

734
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: nice surprise.

735
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've seen enough to know that, like

736
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: he's not a fluke. Now, his ups and downs might

737
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: be a little crazy. His numbers kind of speak for

738
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: in QBR, they have rushing value. Quietly, Sam Howell is

739
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: the fourth ranked quarterback in terms of rushing value. He's

740
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: brought a lot in terms of his scrambling. He needs

741
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: to get down somewhere. I mean he'll take some big hits.

742
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: He's dead last in sacks in terms of sack value,

743
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: like taking negative plays so that kills him. And then

744
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: he's in the middle of the pack in terms of

745
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: his passing, which makes sense because there's a lot of

746
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: great passes and there's some every like seventh throw is

747
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: like four feet over the guy's head. But he, to me,

748
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: is what you thought Baker Mayfield could be when when

749
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: he was a young player, except he's a little more

750
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: physically talented. That's why it's so crazy. I was talking

751
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: about with this with someone in the league this week. Actually,

752
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: it's like, it's really crazy that the same howl was a

753
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: fifth round pick, because he's very talented.

754
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: A lot of people said that on drafting, right, not

755
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: that he.

756
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: Wasn't like a first round pick, but that he kept

757
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: falling between two and four. Yeah, because he gives his

758
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: wide receivers a chance. That's one thing you can't measure

759
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: in college. Like these wide receivers are good, and he's

760
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: given Terry and Johan Dottson and Samuel a chance to

761
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: make plays. He's not afraid.

762
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 4: It's a game of inches, and he throws a beautiful

763
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 4: ball in overtime.

764
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: I think was McLaurin.

765
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 4: Was it who got one foot down and then a

766
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 4: second foot comes down I believe on the hand of

767
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 4: the dB, and then maybe he's out of bounds. It

768
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 4: seems like he might have even been in and gotten

769
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: the second foot, and even though he stepped on the

770
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: hand of the opponent, they rule it at of bounds,

771
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: which leads to the punt, which leads to the game

772
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 4: winning field goal for Philly. So it was that close

773
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: to how making a money throw to potentially win that game.

774
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 4: He was called sneaky athletic about four times in that telecast.

775
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: He's athletic, he moves.

776
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: Is any NFL player sneaky athletic?

777
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs If Josh Dobbs.

778
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: Well, no, but I mean, like to get to the NFL,

779
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: you're the requisite for athleticism is already higher than ninety

780
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: eight percent of the earth.

781
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: Yes, Josh doabs stuck up on me where it's like, oh,

782
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: if he was white, he would be called, you know,

783
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: feisty and sneaky athletic, and it was like, wow, he

784
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: really is a moxy.

785
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, like howl is built like Ryan Fitzpatrick, and he'll

786
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: surprise you, I guess. But I think he's gonna he's

787
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: never gonna be boring, and I think that's a thing.

788
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 3: I liked the way, not just the game plan early on.

789
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: Last week. I also liked the way Howe looked early on.

790
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: He didn't look gun shy. He's not one of those

791
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 4: rookie quarterbacks who get jarred the week before and then

792
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: comes back in his gun shy and he's gonna do

793
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: it every week. On their second drive, he threw up

794
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: for grabs on first and goal, which you just cannot do.

795
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: He's gonna make mistakes, but he's gonna be fun to watch.

796
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: So that that's good. And they're gonna and we'll see

797
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: what they do. They should take care of business in

798
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 4: this game. The Bears side, Yeah, where do you go?

799
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 4: After last week? The positives are obvious that Justin Field's

800
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: look way more comfortable. They move the ball at will

801
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 4: in the first half of that game before getting bogged

802
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 4: down and ibra flus with a dreadful we don't need

803
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 4: to talk about that again, but dreadful decision not to

804
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 4: kick the field goal when that team really needed a

805
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: chance to close out a win there and they didn't

806
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 4: even get that chance. So now I want to see

807
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 4: how Fields if he could string together another good game.

808
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 4: The game ended poorly. He took a grounding penalty in

809
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 4: the last minute, then the I NT on third down

810
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 4: to close out that game. Let's see if good Justin

811
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: Fields is back for another week.

812
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's like the important that they

813
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: got DJ more involved. Last week. He had nine targets,

814
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: eight receptions one hundred and thirty one yards. Before that,

815
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 2: he had been targeted on about seventeen percent of routes

816
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: in these terrible earlier three weeks, which was the lowest

817
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: of his career. It's like the guy that you were

818
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: kind of linking to Fields all offseason is what wouldold

819
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: unlock Justin Fields through the air. It's not happened. I

820
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: don't get what Luke Getsy's doing on some level too.

821
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: It's like we've got justin Fields. What makes him special?

822
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: What made him special last year? It's like no one's

823
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: saying is passing like he can do it to some degrees,

824
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: got to grow, but it was him on the ground.

825
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: He has forty three fewer rushing yards per game than

826
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: last year. They have only had eight design runs for

827
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: him this entire season. Luke Getsy has him doing boot

828
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: action left and right all over the place, and it's

829
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: not working, and he's well, he's not better protect than

830
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: he was a year ago.

831
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: Right.

832
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: I think part of it is they can't run back,

833
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm worried. Like Fields can play well

834
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: like last week, and I know he made some mistakes

835
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, but he played well,

836
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: more than well enough to win, and everything else will

837
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: fall apart, whether it's his offensive line that's a tough matchup.

838
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: I think cath Young is shown up well so far

839
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: this season. It's been a kind of a quiet story

840
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: that since he's come back, he's looked a little more

841
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: like the rookie Chase Young, which is which is nice.

842
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: But when you have this bad of an offensive line

843
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: in this bat of a defense, even if Justin Fields

844
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: was playing at a much higher level, what are you

845
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: gonna do? I have a stat here. I couldn't believe

846
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: this stat. Matt Eberfluss, defensive coach, Chicago Bears. I know

847
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: they're short in the secondary, and they're still short. Jalen

848
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: Johnson's out. I think Eddie Jackson's not going to play

849
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: in this game. They have given up at least twenty

850
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: five points in fourteen straight games. Stop, that's never happened.

851
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: I was like, that can't have ever happened.

852
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: How many wins in that window? Well, I think they've

853
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 4: lost thirteen or fourteen straight two.

854
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: Wins maybe tops.

855
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: I think they ended last season with about a ten

856
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: game loose. Yeah, I think they to be fair.

857
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: To be fair. The one thing that to be fair

858
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: to elus like it's like, can you check that out?

859
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: Now?

860
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be fair, but mid mid seed.

861
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: One thing is like, are you a defense a coach

862
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: that came in with the guys to you can do

863
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: your system with. It's like they they but.

864
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: That's where they've put all their draft picks and all

865
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: their free agency capital too.

866
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: They've spent all this They did not add for a

867
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: super key free agent on the defensive line until the

868
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: very end of the offseason. It's like, but they they

869
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: spend so much money right away rope On Smith, I'm

870
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: not looking. I think Eberlus has probably gone in less

871
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: than a month and done.

872
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: They're spending more at linebacker than almost any team in

873
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: the league. Tremaine Edmunds and t J. Edwards. They they

874
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: dropped second round picks on these defensive tackles. This year.

875
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: They spent all their first three picks on guys in

876
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: the secondary. Last year, they've actually spent more on their defense.

877
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: I know it hasn't been on the defensive line, but

878
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: they ended up doing it withinway just about any team.

879
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: And no pass rush and cant affect the quarterback. They're

880
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 2: like in the bottom of the league of that, and

881
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: like league, Ibra flu has no he's not been able

882
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: to show what he's special up but he may not

883
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: be special anything.

884
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: He loved the show and you guys don't agree.

885
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I just mean, though, I think

886
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: their whole point, like I think Ibra Flus and Ryan Poles,

887
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: their whole point has been like, let's make Eberflus look better.

888
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: Let's spend so much on your defense and you're the

889
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: worst defense.

890
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 3: In the league. Yeah.

891
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 4: I almost thought about the locking this, but I stay

892
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 4: away from Thursdays and it's yeah, kind of a mirror

893
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 4: game as well.

894
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: It was interesting. It was over seven for a minute.

895
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 4: All right, let's head to London with a second of

896
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 4: three games in the annual London Series again.

897
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: We'll be there next week for Titans.

898
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: And come on, that's a great game. We're going to

899
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: see Lamar live.

900
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: What do you mean with that? Excited me? I saw

901
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 3: it to you to build the excitement. I knew it, clearly.

902
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: I knew it. Jaguars v. Bills now this.

903
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: And I know the Jags have been underwhelming so far

904
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: this year, but this is one of the better London

905
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: matchups I can remember. This is a Jacksonville team that

906
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: made it to the second round of the playoff last year.

907
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: The Bills also made it to the second round. So

908
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: these are two teams that have big aspirations. Three and

909
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: one Bills, GREGI here, who are playing better then pretty

910
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 4: much everyone in the AFC and maybe outside of San Francisco,

911
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 4: the best team in football. One uh sets up well

912
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 4: for them. But this is a Jacksonville even though it's

913
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: a Bills home game. Technically it's a Jacksonville it's on

914
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: their turf. Does that matter at all?

915
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: This I think the fact that they've played so many

916
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: games there and that they've been there for the extra

917
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: week can't hurt, right, right, I adapt and they they

918
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: will have.

919
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: We know how we feel three days after getting there.

920
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: You're lost in space, right.

921
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: The Jags really do have a nice fan base there,

922
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: so they'll have more support than the Bills. But the Bills,

923
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure will have plenty because they do everywhere, and

924
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: those games kind of feel like a super Bowl anyways.

925
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: Just everyone's just loving football. Everyone's loving that Josh Allen's

926
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: in this game. I mean, we'll talk with Nick Shook

927
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: later this week. Hell yeah, a little bonus up every

928
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I mean, he might be my QB one

929
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: right now through four games. I know the first game

930
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: was rough, but part of that is because he's got

931
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: a good offensive line now, and to me, that's right there.

932
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: I mentioned Stroud to me is one of the big

933
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: stories this season. I think one of the big stories

934
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: of this season is that Sean McDermott has the best

935
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: offensive line probably he's ever had in Buffalo. And that

936
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: the best O line D line combo the Bills maybe

937
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: have ever had. They've had some good D lines over

938
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: the year, that this one's playing really well, and they're

939
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: gonna potentially add von Miller in this game mark And

940
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: even if they don't, I think they have big advantages

941
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: against the Jags up front on both sides. So now

942
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: you're looking at, Wow, a Bills team that can steamroll

943
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: you a little bit, that can protect Allen and get

944
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: after the quarterback. That's dangerous.

945
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: Just to remember back to what they were when they

946
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: had von Miller, the way they wrecked the Super Bowl

947
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: champion Rams and the opener, and then to lose them,

948
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: I think the whole Bills team journey in general last

949
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: year started to go a little south. Von Miller coming

950
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: back to this would be incredible, But like without them,

951
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: this defense and what they did to Miami and rewatching

952
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: that game, it's just that schematically. I think McDermott took

953
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: okany handle being head coach and called the defense no issues,

954
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: the one little part of their defense that would concern

955
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: me a little bit, And where Trevor Lawrence they had not.

956
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: They've been like twenty six in explosive plays and it

957
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: kind of looked like it. It's not really Trevor Lawrence's

958
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: fault have been a lot of drops. There have been

959
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: some weird stuff in the red zone. I think Lawrence

960
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: has looked really good. But the Bills were down to

961
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: the last two outside corners last week. They've lost tore

962
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: Davius White, so there's an opportunity to make plays, I

963
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: think for Jacksonville. But that said, like you've got to

964
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 2: find a way to unsteamroll a stream steamroll in offense

965
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: that can run the ball there more balanced than ever.

966
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: You're getting the best version of Josh Allen after that

967
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: week one where I think the talking point was like

968
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: who is this guy at this point the post Brian Dable,

969
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: who is he? And we're like, he's him now, so unsteamroll,

970
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: stop the steamroll. Yeah, you'd have to like find a

971
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 2: way to unsteam it. Uh, yes, that you mentioned it, Greg.

972
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: The offensive line they added, they redid the interior of

973
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: the line with two new guards. They drafted the tight

974
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: end and they're playing a lot of two tight end sets.

975
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: They got two running backs that are really playing well

976
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: right now, and and and they also have Tavius Murray,

977
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: Damian Harris, They're kind of they kind of break your

978
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: back a little bit. They're they're kind of a mean

979
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: team to face on offense.

980
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 4: And when you played Josh Allen playing at this level,

981
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 4: Stephan Diggs playing at this level, I just feel like

982
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 4: this is a team right now where the steamroller is

983
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: not going to be stopped. And I would not be

984
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 4: surprised if this is a winning streak that continues, because

985
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 4: you just get the feeling there. They've reached a level

986
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 4: of comfort and and they've found a place here on

987
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: both sides of the ball where I think they're.

988
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: Going to eat and start to even run away from

989
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: with this.

990
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting that like in the off season where

991
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 2: we were kind of looking at the way they're draft

992
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: and their free agency, it's like, oh, they're lack a

993
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: key weapon or they're lacking weapons in general. And then it's

994
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: like they're the team that might be the window closing

995
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: a little bit. Now four weeks it's like day the AFC.

996
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: It was not silly.

997
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: It was because their best players are young. That's why

998
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: it was silly.

999
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 4: But changes occur greg and there was frustration around the organization,

1000
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 4: and it's not everything's fixed by the way it's weak

1001
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 4: four part and the reason why there's tension and this

1002
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 4: idea is like, all this is great and they can

1003
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 4: win thirteen fourteen games, but this core needs to get

1004
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: over the hump in the playoffs.

1005
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: Sure, but in terms of window closing, I'm with Joe

1006
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: Burrow saying the windows while I'm here, and especially because

1007
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: the front office is good.

1008
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: But I'm not talking about right, I'm not talking about

1009
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks window. I'm talking about the group as the

1010
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 4: greater group that's been the nucleus that's been contended.

1011
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: Like there was a period and it's you know, this

1012
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: stuff maybe is overhyped in this age, but like we're

1013
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: Stephan Diggs. People were like, what's going on with Stephan Diggs?

1014
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: Like there's something going on with him and Josh Allen.

1015
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: It feels like there's a lot of pressure. The butts

1016
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: are tight and like that can lead to something like it,

1017
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: right and here they are. They kind of brush that

1018
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: all away.

1019
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: That's a great matchup in this game. Diggs has been

1020
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: playing out of his mind. I mean that was as

1021
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: dominant performance. But part of it is coaches in front office.

1022
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: And that's why I think the windows wide open because

1023
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: the players will all change quite a bit. I know

1024
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: mikeah Hyde's been there and he's he's a guy that

1025
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: they build a defense around. Poyer won't be there forever.

1026
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: But like when guys leave, like a Tremaine Edmund who

1027
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: got huge money from the Bears, they replace him with

1028
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: Trel Bernard and like you fit them in and it's like,

1029
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: is better then than Tremaine Edmonds because he's been falling out.

1030
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm with you. I think the steamroll

1031
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: keeps steaming. I have not been big on this Jack

1032
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: steam I think they're worse than their two and two

1033
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 1: records shown. That's why I'm locking up the bills.

1034
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: You son of a gun, you sandbag in son of them.

1035
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: You can lock the bills.

1036
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you sure can, because I'm doing it to.

1037
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: Well yes, well it feels unoriginal, like I've been squeezed out,

1038
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: but I don't really give an f I'm locking them to.

1039
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: I've gotta win. I'm down, I gotta start at zero

1040
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: and too, I don't. I'm taking no prisoners the rest

1041
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: of the season.

1042
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: I might, for.

1043
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: Show's sake, I might bounce out of this one tomorrow.

1044
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 4: And I would love if you.

1045
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: Did tune in for the previous Yeah, I might look

1046
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: at other games.

1047
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: That is a delicious result if both of you move on.

1048
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: If we what if we bounce out and then the

1049
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 4: Jags upside the Bills.

1050
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: How how would that go.

1051
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: For I'd be agitated because you know, like I love

1052
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: the London game when I'm America, but that's you're starting

1053
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: to morning. So if I've already lost my lock by

1054
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, nine am, and it'd be long Sunday.

1055
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: The Bills scored on eight of eleven drives against Miami,

1056
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 4: including two kneel downs that ended drives or ended half

1057
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: for me, and then their defense shut down essentially Miami

1058
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: in the last three quarters of that game.

1059
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 3: So I'm feeling very good.

1060
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: About Jackson was capable of playing better, but through four

1061
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: games they've been quite mediocre, like like like the twenty

1062
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: best team.

1063
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: In the league.

1064
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 4: They need some serious jet lag on their side, and

1065
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 4: they could get it that I am not looking. That's

1066
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 4: the one thing that I dread. Flying from LA to

1067
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 4: London is rough thirteen hours or so. We're gonna we're

1068
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 4: gonna sold your throat and we're doing a live show

1069
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 4: less than twenty four hours after we Land.

1070
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1071
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: It'll be fun.

1072
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: See how it goes.

1073
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 4: Sunday night football. Oh, it could be a potential game

1074
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 4: of the year situation. The Dallas Cowboys three and one,

1075
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 4: the San Francisco four undefeated, and they have been a

1076
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 4: steamroller as well as have the Cowboys other than a

1077
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 4: Week three hiccup against Arizona. So this is a wonderful matchup.

1078
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 4: We gotta we got the Niners at home, which you

1079
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 4: gotta you gotta keep that in mind. They're laying four

1080
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 4: points here against Dallas. That sounds about right to me.

1081
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 3: Mark.

1082
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 4: We know your stance on the Cowboys personal hell is

1083
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 4: them advancing to the Super Bowl.

1084
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: Well all right, but I I've done some thinking on that.

1085
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 4: But okay, let's go. I'm gonna throw it to you.

1086
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 4: Do you see this as a one sided game? Do

1087
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 4: you think doubts up?

1088
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1089
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: I do.

1090
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: I think they absolutely show up. I guess what I'm

1091
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: looking at when I look at their schedule is like

1092
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: a period of utter domination. You take you take the

1093
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: two disappointing New York teams, you win by a combined

1094
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 2: score of seventy to ten. You beat the Patriots thirty

1095
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: eight to three. These teams had no chance against the

1096
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys on either side of the ball. That's seventy

1097
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: five percent of this season. So I don't disvalue that.

1098
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: I do wonder, like in general, when I think about

1099
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 2: what the Niners can do well with Christian McCaffrey, who's

1100
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: on pace right now to break the NFL record for

1101
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: scrimmage yards and has looked fantastic and unstoppable, why did

1102
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: you allow How did you allow two hundred and twenty

1103
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: two yards to the Arizona Cardinals. I can call it

1104
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: an aberration, but I wonder if someone like Kyle Shanahan

1105
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: can look at that tape and other little chinks in

1106
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: the armor over the course of four games and attack it.

1107
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: I certainly think he can. I think it's what I

1108
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: think about the Niners right now we talk about a steamroll,

1109
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 2: is like they don't, like you said on Sunday Show,

1110
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: they're not putting their foot on the gas to win

1111
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: these games. The way they're winning them their offense almost

1112
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: and it's not effortless. That's ridiculous to say that, but

1113
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: it's like if one guy like Deebo had six yards

1114
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: last game, takes a bit of a nap or he's

1115
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: not in full health. Suddenly Brandon Aiyuk blooms into like

1116
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: an unstoppable power. Christian McCaffrey's an unstoppable power. I just

1117
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: wonder with the Cowboys defense because it's like, can you

1118
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: stop all this? No one else has been able to

1119
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: brock Perdy. We just talked about him, who went twenty

1120
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: for twenty one last year. Brock Perdy has the highest

1121
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: quarterback passer rating in the league since he start. Since

1122
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: Week fourteen last when he took over, and the Niners

1123
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: lead the league in scoring. There hasn't been a hiccup

1124
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 2: on the Niners side. That's that's not a massive hiccup

1125
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: in little quarter drive to drive shirt. We can nitpick,

1126
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: but brock Purty has been almost perfect.

1127
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: Some of that scheduling too, though, I mean, this is

1128
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: the first.

1129
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: Well some is scheduling for the Cowboys too, to play

1130
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: the Giants.

1131
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. This is the first real deal

1132
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: test for both teams. And that's fine. That's what makes

1133
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: it such good and it's interesting.

1134
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 4: The one game where Party didn't look so hot was

1135
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: the Thursday night against the Giants, and the Giants pass

1136
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: rush kind of was in his face a lot, and

1137
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 4: he threw some balls up for grabs. I think, Greg,

1138
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 4: this this matchup in a lot of ways, and I

1139
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 4: hope and it would be good to get an update

1140
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: if we can on Michael Parsons.

1141
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: Is he practicing? Is he okay?

1142
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: He was in and out of the lineup last week.

1143
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Mcarthy indicated he didn't think it was too serious.

1144
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Michaeh Parsons and that Dallas pass rush making

1145
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 4: pretty uncomfortable and part of the reason why I think,

1146
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 4: and sometimes I think Mark, it gets on your radar

1147
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 4: a little bit, and I see where you're at that

1148
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 4: people don't get pretty enough credit because it seems he's

1149
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 4: in such a great position and the offense is drawn

1150
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 4: up so well and he has so many weapons around

1151
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 4: him that he's doing a great job distributing rather than

1152
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 4: being a playmaker or an actual like big talented quarterback,

1153
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 4: which doesn't really matter because scoring is scoring and moving

1154
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: the balls, moving the ball. But it's gonna be great

1155
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 4: and interesting, Greg to see Purty specifically against a top

1156
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: flight defense. And I know without Trayvon Diggs there, the

1157
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 4: Dallas is a little less but Bland has stepped in

1158
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: well in the back end, seeing Purty against this Dallas

1159
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 4: defense and specifically Micah Parsons is gonna be really interesting.

1160
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be awesome. And seeing like the right tackle

1161
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: Calton mckivitz has not been great, you know, we'll see

1162
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: like maybe he does give up a lot of pressure

1163
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: to this Dallas I think you have to because to

1164
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: your point about looking at the Cowboys Cardinals tape, I

1165
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: think what the Cardinals did really well is put a

1166
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: balls on Layton Vander Vander esh and Damon Clark, who

1167
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: are their linebackers, Like that's the weakness of that team.

1168
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: And when you think about what Kyle Shanahan has done

1169
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: better than anyone in the NFL over the last few years,

1170
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: it's putting a circle on those linebackers on either running

1171
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: downs where you surprisingly pass or it's a play action

1172
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: pass or whatever it is. It's like, hey, you actually

1173
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: need to have six defensive backs out there or we're

1174
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: going to roast those guys. And he can create those mismatches,

1175
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: whether it's against Kittle or against Debo. And I think

1176
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: it's a great coaching matchup because I think this is

1177
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: why Mike McCarthy wanted to get rid of Kellen Moore.

1178
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: Is this game and the way the last two seasons

1179
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: end against.

1180
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, literally this game that their running

1181
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: game wasn't ready for it, and the passing game certainly

1182
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to make up for it. And I think

1183
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the Cowboys this year,

1184
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: and schedule is such a big part of it, but

1185
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: I think they've been able to block their in their

1186
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: run game pretty well, and they've had some injuries on

1187
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but they're mostly healthy there now, and

1188
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: I think they're going to try to run. They have run,

1189
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: They've run well, it's been a little different, Like McCarthy's

1190
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: definitely put his scheme into it, and I think they're

1191
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: gonna want to try to control the game that way too,

1192
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: and I think that's a good way to attack the

1193
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: forty nine ers defense if you can. So it's a

1194
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: big It's a big McCarthy game.

1195
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: One thing that I find so annoying is like every

1196
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: time you go out to a restaurant, a tavern like

1197
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: and they've got four sports stations on, it's like the

1198
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: crawl line is always like Dak Prescott this or that,

1199
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: something about Dak Prescott the right, and it's like, I

1200
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: love that we got this far without making him the

1201
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: focal point, and I don't I really find it tedious,

1202
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: but there are there is a fit.

1203
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: In the background this year. He's just kind of been

1204
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: there and not.

1205
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: But isn't this But he was not in the background

1206
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: in the two San Francisco playoff losses, obviously, and they

1207
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: ended in disastrous fashion. Built times that it's like, we

1208
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: don't need that this game to end that way. But

1209
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a moment or two in this where

1210
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 2: it's like, Dak Prescott, don't throw the end zone interception

1211
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: or the the red zone gap. You've got to make

1212
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: the play in this game, and it's like that's who

1213
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: that defines This is one of these games I think

1214
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: is like, you will not forget how Dak Prescott performs

1215
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 2: in this you will not forget how the Dallas Cowboys

1216
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: perform in general. This is a big kind of inflection

1217
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: point for who they are and who they who they

1218
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: think they are.

1219
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: And I don't think I almost locked up the forty

1220
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: nine ers here, but then I thought this game is

1221
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: more important than the Cowboys. Man, It's so important to.

1222
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 4: Them, that's underlog And I don't think Trey Lance is

1223
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 4: gonna be knocking on the door at Dak.

1224
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 3: Prescott craps the bet in this game. But no, I

1225
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: think there is a fair open question about what is

1226
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: Dak at this stage of his career.

1227
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 4: Is he going to be the guy that rises to

1228
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 4: the occasion in the biggest spots? And we might have

1229
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 4: to wait till January to really get that answer again,

1230
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 4: but this is a big spot as far as regular

1231
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 4: season goes, this is about as good as it gets.

1232
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 2: So I was singing, this is the biggest Cowboys regular

1233
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: season game that I can remember, oh in five plus years.

1234
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: This is a test of the National Wireless Emergency Alert Him.

1235
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: Wait, are we okay?

1236
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: The purpose is to maintain and improve a warning capabilities

1237
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: at the federal state.

1238
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: I didn't get territory.

1239
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: Are you yeah? Are you on the uh like the

1240
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: dark web of I don't know that. I didn't know.

1241
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: I'm not.

1242
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: This is why you had to get that new computer.

1243
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: He's just he's just doing all sorts of.

1244
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 4: Crazy stuff and a work computer. I don't think so

1245
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 4: all right, think so all right? So Sunday Night football

1246
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 4: cannot wait. Let's get that Sunday Night Flagship program started

1247
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: a little early, yes, yeah, that seweet. Let's see what

1248
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 4: we can do.

1249
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, people understand what happened. Maybe moving well,

1250
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: we'll try to move at a faster pace. We do

1251
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: have the bye week, so that helps.

1252
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't they get it though. We start recording the

1253
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: show right after, soon after.

1254
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: His kickoff is yeah. Yeah, And it's been a nice

1255
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,959
Speaker 1: couple of weeks here for Tarico. You get a nice,

1256
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: nice Jets game.

1257
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 3: Now we're talking about the sausage gets made.

1258
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: With Taylor Swift, and now you get the game of

1259
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: the year.

1260
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: I didn't mind missing the first happen It was like

1261
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: Cowboys thirty and zero or whatever it was at the break,

1262
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: But this game, I want to see the whole thing.

1263
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: You gonna have to be a little quicker on Sunday night.

1264
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: Can we do that?

1265
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: No?

1266
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: Yes? All right.

1267
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: Finally, Tremaine Johnson was also held on that Pat Mamas scramble.

1268
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: We're going back there.

1269
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that one was unquestionable. The other one, you know,

1270
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: I've seen worse calls, not mate. Ye that the dramane

1271
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: one was tough.

1272
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: You know, maybe maybe maybe we got a job there,

1273
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 4: but I won't say anything else. Taylor went home happy

1274
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: all right last game. It is Monday Night football. It

1275
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 4: is I mean, I feel like we just saw these

1276
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 4: teams in primetime, and yet here we are again, the

1277
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,959
Speaker 4: Las Vegas Raiders, once again at home against the Green

1278
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 4: Bay Packers, this time on the road, and it was

1279
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 4: I'm not crazy, right. The Packers were on Thursday Night

1280
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 4: Football last week, yep, And the Raiders were.

1281
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: On Sunday Night Football two weeks yep.

1282
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 4: Okay, it feels like maybe we let's get some other

1283
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 4: all right, we'll talk to three forty five Park about

1284
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 4: that immediately.

1285
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: They will not listen for yes, So here we go. Mark,

1286
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: the Raiders.

1287
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 4: Nearly nearly came away with a win last week with

1288
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 4: their backup quarterback, but they're one and three and just

1289
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of juice around this team right now,

1290
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 4: and Josh McDaniel seems to be potentially heading towards the crossair.

1291
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 4: So this feels like a fairly important game for at

1292
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 4: least a head coach who doesn't want to drop to

1293
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 4: one and four after a bad year, one in prime

1294
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 4: time on an island game with the owner and the

1295
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 4: suite upstairs, you know what I'm saying. And the Packers,

1296
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 4: who really let's start there. The Packers, who kind of

1297
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 4: know showed for the most part last week on Thursday

1298
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 4: Night football, and it's hard to right for me anyway

1299
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 4: get too excited about the Packers being anything else other

1300
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 4: than a loge level team.

1301
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I think that game was a pretty decisive

1302
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: turning point for of them because shifted from mezzanine to

1303
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: loge but the same meaning. Yeah, I'm speaking of the

1304
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: loge in the streets, like Mark Davis like got into

1305
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: a verbal tiff with a fan who was demanding that

1306
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: the team fired Josh McDaniel. So it's already getting a

1307
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: little hot. Really, Yeah, You've got Devonte Adams who's probably wondering, like, wait,

1308
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: do I really want to be on this Raiders team

1309
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: versus this like young Packers. Mark Davis is the only

1310
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: owner in this league that would go into a verbal spot.

1311
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't think he sparked it. I think it was

1312
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: the fan probably coming coming at him. I mean, yes,

1313
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: I mean I met Mark Davis, A nice, nice person.

1314
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: We saw him at a Mark a Lot year, nice

1315
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: nice person.

1316
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 4: Always out and about, sometimes wearing Zubas always white track suit.

1317
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: I feel like he took over for his dad. He

1318
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: wears less zu bas but I definitely he has and.

1319
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: I love it.

1320
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 4: And I don't think this is telling tales out of school.

1321
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 4: This is part of the experience of covering the sport. Yeah,

1322
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 4: especially the ten pole events Mark and maybe a little

1323
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 4: less now, but maybe like a decade ago, was literally

1324
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 4: every ten pole event if you were at the league

1325
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 4: hotel or that happened to house, like the owners and stuff.

1326
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 4: Mark is always at the bar and he's always having

1327
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 4: a good time, and he's always always wearing white jeans

1328
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 4: and a white long sleeve Raiders T shirt. Yep, it's

1329
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 4: amazing and I think white sneakers.

1330
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a you know, one of those wardrobes

1331
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: where you it's just like eighty of the same thing.

1332
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 4: It's kind of one of those school things working for

1333
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 4: the league. And then oh there's Al Davis's son at

1334
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 4: the bar doing it up.

1335
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's you know, he's he was getting into

1336
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: a verbal argument with a fan. Not a great situation.

1337
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: So there is I think there is this. You're right

1338
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: about this Raiders team, it's like at some point in

1339
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: their space for it, like in this matchup, I think

1340
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: you got to show up the one area like that

1341
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 2: you kind of thought last year for me, when I

1342
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: thought the Raiders under McDaniel were starting to develop an

1343
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: identity on offense, which they've been kind of identity free,

1344
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: was like when they were just running the ball Patriots

1345
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: esque down people's throats. There were a couple of games

1346
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: like that, then they went away from it. But the

1347
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: one area with Joe Barry running the Packers defense and

1348
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: again put to two hundred and eleven rushing yards to

1349
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: a good rushing Detroit tream a week ago while running

1350
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: for like twenty seven on themselves. With Aaron Jones back

1351
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: in the lineup, I think he'll be healthier this week

1352
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: if Josh Jacobs could have one of these kind of

1353
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: island game at home, like this is the spot, like

1354
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: you can run on this defense, And I really wonder

1355
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: outside of that, like how the Raiders like through the air,

1356
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: like can actually get this done. I think DeVante Adams

1357
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: is going to be a big part of that, for

1358
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: obvious reasons against the team he's playing, but I really

1359
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: like the idea of trying to control the ball, take

1360
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: it out of Jordan Lum's hands, and have Josh Jacobs

1361
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: have that game.

1362
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: We've been waiting for We don't even know as we're

1363
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: taping this, you know who's going to be the quarterback

1364
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: for the Raiders. It might be something that goes throughout

1365
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: the week. Jimmy g When last you know heard from

1366
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: Josh mcgaanne was still in concussion protocol. But that's not

1367
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: surprising considering missed the game. He could get out of

1368
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: it by the end of the week. He did confirm

1369
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: he will start. It's not like they're going to stick

1370
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: with O'Connell, who had you know, more bad than good

1371
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: for a rookie, but it wasn't a total disaster like

1372
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: could have been worse. They need him. They need Devonte

1373
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: Adams who went out of that game hurt and then

1374
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: played through it. And it's definitely banged up. Both these

1375
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: teams have had a lot of injuries. The Packers get

1376
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: back Elton Jenkins at practice early this week, which would

1377
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: be big. We know David Baktiari is now expected to

1378
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: miss the entire season. But you had Aaron Jones back

1379
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: in the mix last week, you had Christian Watson back

1380
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: in the mix. Their snaps were a little limited in

1381
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: that Thursday night game, and now hopefully you get a

1382
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: full compliment. I feel like we still haven't quite seen

1383
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: this Packers team exactly offensively as we want. They were

1384
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: quite dominated by Detroit and now they get to play

1385
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: a Raiders defense. It was not going to dominate anyone.

1386
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they're getting some good play here and there

1387
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: from some players, but it's crazy to look at their

1388
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: pass rush, which is last and close to it in

1389
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: a lot of categories pass rush, win way and pressures

1390
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and think like they've got Max

1391
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: Crosby playing as well as he's ever played. He was

1392
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: a demon last week. He's been a demon all season.

1393
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: But as Browns fans, no, you can have a pretty

1394
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: bad defense with a Defensive Player of the Year candidate

1395
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: on your defensive line and they are getting no pressure

1396
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: outside of him. Number two on their team and pressures

1397
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: is actually their inside linebacker Robert Splaine, who they have

1398
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: like blitzing every now and then. They're just getting absolutely

1399
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: nothing from anyone else on that.

1400
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 4: It was probably doubly painful to see former Raider Khalil

1401
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 4: Mack bring up six sacks against them last week. Yes,

1402
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs, it feels like he's been kind of getting

1403
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 4: into football shape in the front of the season, but

1404
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 4: last week he had about one hundred and forty total

1405
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 4: yards and a touchdown. I'm with you, I kind of

1406
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 4: like the I don't know if I'm gonna pick the

1407
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 4: Raiders here, but I think that Jacobs is gonna have

1408
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 4: a big game here, and I think this is gonna

1409
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 4: be his first.

1410
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: Like, hey, I'm Josh Jacobs, the guy you remember from

1411
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 3: last year. Now will the Packers be able to match that?

1412
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 3: We shall see. But yeah, I guess I'm a little

1413
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 3: book by the Packers I've seen.

1414
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 4: I know there was a really nice comeback mixed in there,

1415
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 4: but there's been a lot of quarters of not so

1416
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 4: hot football.

1417
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 3: They've been very banged up, and that's part of it too.

1418
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 3: You shall see.

1419
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: For the most part, they've had a close game, easy

1420
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: matchups in terms of the defense as they face, except

1421
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: for Detroit and this is another one. And uh, I

1422
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: want to see some Love flour specials.

1423
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been having some nice Jordan loves you,

1424
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: protect Love and you should be able to move the

1425
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: ball on the Raider. Jordan loves QB rating has dropped

1426
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: fifty points in week three and four from where the

1427
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: last one hot. Yeah, I think that's part of it,

1428
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: is like, I mean, I have a lot of forgiveness

1429
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: for their offense in terms of like all these new pieces.

1430
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: I think they've got like ten players aged twenty five

1431
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: or younger with a reception on that offense. Yeah, it

1432
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: shows you how raw and young they are.

1433
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 3: And they you know, look at their last eight quarters.

1434
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 3: Take out that eighteen point fourth last week. It's been

1435
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 3: a lot of.

1436
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 4: It's been rough. It's been rough at times this year

1437
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 4: for the Packers. It's a transition for them that they're

1438
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 4: two and two but one two all right, there we go.

1439
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 4: By the way, the Raiders they're five and eleven in

1440
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 4: one score games last year, right, so that's that's a

1441
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 4: lot of one score games just there at sixteen in

1442
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 4: what twenty two games or whatever?

1443
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: I was like, why is this game in primetime? And

1444
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: then I thought it's the DeVante Adams revenge game. Actually

1445
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: think that is part of it. I saw, we mean,

1446
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: we bought in new stadium. I mean, Packers fans care,

1447
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: but you're right at the I mean, he's a national

1448
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: revenge you know what I mean. It's Davante Adams Yaya,

1449
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer. I believe it's hard.

1450
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 3: For me going against and I love storylines and narratives

1451
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: around football, but like to get into revenge games unless

1452
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 3: there's a QB involved. Like QBS, it feels a lot.

1453
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: Well, I think just over sold in general.

1454
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: But it wasn't revenge either. They say they gave them

1455
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: what do you wanted?

1456
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 2: Davante Adams like leaves the Raiders like before the trade

1457
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 2: deadline and gets with another team that faces the Raiders.

1458
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: That feels like a revenge game because I think DeVante

1459
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 2: Adam is behind the scenes, who was you know, kind

1460
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: of annoyed with if you want out of a Green

1461
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: Bay so you can go to the Raiders', I don't

1462
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 2: think this one is.

1463
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: And he got paid.

1464
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: The Raiders thing feels like it's getting a little uglier

1465
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: by the week. That could play out on national.

1466
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: The whole thing like there's no like, you know, the

1467
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones thing was you know, unfortunate for for everyone,

1468
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: primarily Chandler Jones. It's not like Josh McDaniel's is saying

1469
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: anything that's driving any one crazy, but just there's there's

1470
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: not a lot of life there. You feel like there's

1471
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of packers fans at this game.

1472
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: I saw our old uh oh yeah, our old Frian

1473
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: Will Blackman saying there's not a hotel room to be

1474
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: found in in Vegas for this game this weekend. He

1475
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: was asking if you could yeah someone so, yeah, that's

1476
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I guess that's why they put him

1477
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: on Sunday night and early in the season. It's like this,

1478
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: It is a scene there.

1479
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 3: I wonder to that point, sneaky, big time pressure on

1480
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 3: McDaniel's for this not to go sideways. Could uh yeah,

1481
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 3: I think I'll just yeah Tuesday morning.

1482
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 4: Could there be a bombshell if the Raiders get stomped

1483
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 4: in this game based on their lack of success so

1484
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 4: far and maybe behind the scenes issues around the team.

1485
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: I mean, not if the owners arguing with fans in

1486
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,439
Speaker 2: the in the in the in the opposite direction.

1487
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 3: But that's that.

1488
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: There is also this weird thing.

1489
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 3: Maybe this has no I.

1490
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: Don't know about the back of he's been telling her,

1491
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: do you have Tom Brady?

1492
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 2: Tom Brady is a minority owner right.

1493
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 3: For the Raiders. I don't know if they have signed

1494
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 3: the paperwork all right, well.

1495
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: But that was heading in that direction. It's like it's

1496
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 2: like super tight with Josh McDaniels. Does that keep him around?

1497
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1498
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: He is officially uh an owner of the Las Vegas

1499
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 1: Aces in that w n B finals.

1500
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 3: I feel like you've brought that up too now, that

1501
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 3: is multiple.

1502
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: Liberty trying to bring New York a title. I'm just

1503
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: saying Brady and Mark that might I'm I'm making your

1504
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: point that Mark Davis owns that team. Their their business part.

1505
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: You know what, Rebecca Lobo is taking it home for

1506
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 3: the Liberty.

1507
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 2: I think she's far removed from the lineup.

1508
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 3: H They actually have the m v P they traded for.

1509
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: You are on top of it.

1510
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm not tracking this.

1511
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 4: Listen, a New York sports fan will take any success

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Speaker 4: we can find.

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Speaker 3: Sure, let's go lib all right, anything else, that's it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you to Tom Curran, Thank you to you the

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Speaker 4: listeners again, and we'll be back on Thursday with a

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Speaker 4: full preview of Week five and the NFL Plus show

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Speaker 4: is back as well.

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Speaker 3: Till then, he the call