WEBVTT - Stephen Hill

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<v Speaker 1>R and B Money, Honey, we are than take vlotie.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the authority on all.

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<v Speaker 1>Things ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>Money is tank and this is the R and B

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<v Speaker 2>Money podcast on.

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<v Speaker 1>The authority.

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<v Speaker 2>On all things R N B Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a man I was curated the air waves.

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<v Speaker 2>And the TV waves and created a cultural movement that

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<v Speaker 2>we have all prescribed to.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll all called this man many a time and said,

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<v Speaker 1>please please.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me on your platform, please, because he was cracking.

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<v Speaker 1>That ship, popping know with real music, real artistry.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows what that real thing is and what it

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<v Speaker 2>is supposed to be like as an icon in a building.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's gonna dance to it too. He's gonna He's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna dance. He gonna dance. He's gonna enjoy.

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<v Speaker 4>Himself at the shelf we all have, I would rather

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, forgive me for taking so long on

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<v Speaker 2>this interrupt This man's special.

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<v Speaker 1>To me since the beginning of my career.

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<v Speaker 2>He has been an absolute driving force and an inspiration,

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<v Speaker 2>a battery, a man to tell you let you know

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<v Speaker 2>you are on the right path. He is sitting two

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<v Speaker 2>feet away from me, and his name is mister Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Hill yarn abound here.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, I would I would like to bottle that and

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<v Speaker 5>put it on us after shave.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is this?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it Stephen Stephan? Like, okay, yeah, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Really, I'm sure, I'm sure about your name with Stephen

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<v Speaker 5>for all my lifetime until Curry came along, it is Stephan.

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<v Speaker 6>Every uber driver in the world, it's Stephan.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Beyonce thing. It's the Beyonce. Come on, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going with it. Stephan.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody in R and B know what it is. My

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<v Speaker 3>mom in R and B.

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<v Speaker 2>No, brother, I remember like him yesterday. I remember there

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<v Speaker 2>was a show called spring Blink.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh gosh, two words I'm not in my mouth in

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<v Speaker 5>consecutive order for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me let me tell you. Let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about it. And I call it to spring bling down.

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<v Speaker 2>In Daytona, in Daytona, and I got my guys with me,

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<v Speaker 2>mowet and I'm and I'm looking around, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this must be heaven. I don't know if they've imported

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<v Speaker 2>all these young ladies, if they're just nestled here on

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<v Speaker 2>the beach like this all the time from Daytona. But

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<v Speaker 2>I am going to sing like my life depends on it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I proceeds to sing my songs, my my one hit,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I Deserve and slowly is kind of percolating, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I sing my tunes, so you sing slow Jams. I

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<v Speaker 2>sing on the beach because I have a purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm I'm and an ability. You know what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do?

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<v Speaker 3>The ability? You know what I'm trying. And you don't

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<v Speaker 3>got no up. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta leave my strength.

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<v Speaker 2>The first episode of the work, I couldn't perform that

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<v Speaker 2>on so I perform performed. We feel like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great performance, you know what I'm saying. We we finger

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<v Speaker 2>tip and touching the ladies of the front, like all right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go back to our room, you know, rotating the

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<v Speaker 2>the the holding areas, you know, lartist seeing artists out,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. And we're walking on our way

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<v Speaker 2>back to the room, and I just I hear running,

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<v Speaker 2>I hear like.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear, and we're like, what the fuck is that

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<v Speaker 1>it is? Stephen Hill?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay you.

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<v Speaker 1>Met Steve all right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking to myself, Okay, I guess this guy's

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<v Speaker 2>got somewhere to be he's gonna run past us and

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<v Speaker 2>get to where he's going. He stops right in front

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<v Speaker 2>of me. He says, I'm Stephen Hill. I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I run all this. You're incredible And we were saund like.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like what he's like this, You're incredible. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>great job, amazing job. WHOA, We've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff for you. Good job. Shook my

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<v Speaker 2>hand and walked off. And that's Stephen Hill for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Always been there since Dy Won.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, like this guy is like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>extremely instrumental in and giving me that type of confidence

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<v Speaker 2>like spring bling b et at that time, that was

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<v Speaker 2>like you had to be there.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just glad I was right. I was like that

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<v Speaker 5>if you were flamed down, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Story was down at the bar right now, man was

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<v Speaker 1>the next looster right now. Look look, I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 1>right too, because that five years I had off, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like no, no, no, no, I've all Look.

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<v Speaker 5>I have been a fan of true talent, true singing

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<v Speaker 5>talent and performing talent because I believe people can have

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<v Speaker 5>talents in other areas that just don't include the tones

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<v Speaker 5>that come out of their mouths. Right, I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 5>those who who take time with their craft and really

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<v Speaker 5>learn it and hone it and improve and are just naturally.

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<v Speaker 6>Gifted so much so that I married one.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>did the same.

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<v Speaker 1>The same look at surprises, but I did when she

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<v Speaker 1>say yes, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Did the same thing. Yeah, where does this start? Like

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<v Speaker 2>your your love for for this? Because like, like like

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<v Speaker 2>you you were you were the president, right, and so

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<v Speaker 2>there's a there's a business, there's a politic, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of that that goes along with what you do, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes it very tough for you to lead with the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that is most important, which is your heart and

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<v Speaker 2>your gut and your feeling. And I feel like you

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<v Speaker 2>you would fore go business and fore goal politic to

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<v Speaker 2>do what you felt and nobody could tell you anything.

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<v Speaker 1>How where does that start for you?

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<v Speaker 5>So, I mean, I'm going to address that because that's

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<v Speaker 5>a great point. The business and politic. I always hated,

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<v Speaker 5>I hated it hates a little too strong a word.

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<v Speaker 5>But I really did that and tried to improve how

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<v Speaker 5>I did that just so I could stay close to

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<v Speaker 5>the music, just like I stayed close to the songs,

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<v Speaker 5>like I guess I'm known for TV, but my love

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<v Speaker 5>has always been music. It's not I didn't, you know

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<v Speaker 5>I did. I backed into television through music, through through

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<v Speaker 5>MTV and then and then be ET and then just

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<v Speaker 5>tried to be the best person I could so I

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<v Speaker 5>could beat close to music. So that's really that's really

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<v Speaker 5>my story. I got used to the business and politics,

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<v Speaker 5>but my love never became that. It was never the

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<v Speaker 5>art of the deal. It was how great can we

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<v Speaker 5>make these shows? What new show can we make to

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<v Speaker 5>highlight artists like? That was always the driver.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you have a backstory where you were like

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<v Speaker 1>in a group or something like that when you were

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<v Speaker 1>growing up?

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<v Speaker 3>So you just you saved the dance moves into the

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<v Speaker 3>ward show.

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<v Speaker 5>I did stressed before each a ward show. What I

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<v Speaker 5>did want to do is pull a muscle, and when

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<v Speaker 5>I knew I was gonna do is dance.

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<v Speaker 3>So I so you were never nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>I have, no I have. I believe I have musical

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<v Speaker 5>ability that I did not capitalize on us out the

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<v Speaker 5>world I want, But you didn't explore it. I did

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<v Speaker 5>not explore it or exploit or dedicate the time that

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<v Speaker 5>I needed to when I was twelve years old, right,

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<v Speaker 5>So I took piano lessons for maybe six or seven months,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's funny, and then my mom and dead let

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<v Speaker 5>me quit. They let me quit, and I took drums

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<v Speaker 5>for like three months and let me quit. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 5>jump ahead fast forward. My son we made a deal

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<v Speaker 5>when he was thirteen. I was like, you're staying in

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<v Speaker 5>piano till seventeen. You can try soccer, anything else you

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<v Speaker 5>want to do and quit, but you've got to pick

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<v Speaker 5>one thing. And he picked piano that you got to

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<v Speaker 5>do through your seventeen and then you can decide after

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<v Speaker 5>that whether you want to do it or not. And

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<v Speaker 5>it was purely based on like I wish I hadn't

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<v Speaker 5>been allowed to quit. It's six months, and he was

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<v Speaker 5>the only sixteen year old who could play Scott Joplin slawlessly, slawlessly.

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<v Speaker 5>By the time he was sixteen, Jayden could play Scott

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<v Speaker 5>Joplin flawlessly Scott Joplin. So it was it was good

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<v Speaker 5>to say, like, oh, my failure became his success.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good with that. Yeah, you made sure you Joe Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>Play past seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>He did.

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<v Speaker 5>He did for two years after seventeen, and then then

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<v Speaker 5>he finally dropped out, but he still loves he still.

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<v Speaker 1>Play loves in jamming.

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<v Speaker 2>And and what what leads you into I guess as

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<v Speaker 2>you say, right, yes, is it radio?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>What leads you into that?

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<v Speaker 6>I was I was four years old.

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<v Speaker 5>My my, my babysitter, Sheila Pegeese, who I had a

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<v Speaker 5>massive crush on, would bring over stack of forty five

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<v Speaker 5>to the house whenever we we had good by forty five.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are the things that vinyl spin, small vinyls boys

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<v Speaker 5>and men when they had their own company, their their

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<v Speaker 5>logo was the spindle that in the middle. And so

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<v Speaker 5>the first song I remember hearing was the name game Banana.

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<v Speaker 6>And from there on, I just love music.

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<v Speaker 5>We'd listened to music when she when she'd come over,

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<v Speaker 5>and then I got into James Brown and the Temptations,

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<v Speaker 5>and uh, you know, the Jackson five is a whole

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<v Speaker 5>that's a whole chapter of itself, but just the motown sound.

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<v Speaker 5>And I know it's R and B is the R

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<v Speaker 5>and B Podcast, But it's like, but, but soul is

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<v Speaker 5>what our soul is what really brought me in.

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<v Speaker 3>But we consider R and B to B. Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just we don't do the sub genre thing. You sing

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<v Speaker 3>it from your heart. It's got some rhythm and some

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<v Speaker 3>blues in it. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. We're in

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<v Speaker 3>the same club. We're in the same club. And so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it led me. I loved music all the

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<v Speaker 3>way through.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought everybody was was as obsessed as I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought everybody read every credit on every album like

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<v Speaker 5>I did. I thought everybody listened to every groove. I

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<v Speaker 5>thought every they slowed down the forty five to thirty

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<v Speaker 5>three so they could understand the lyrics.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought everybody did all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You was directed.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. And so when I got to college,

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<v Speaker 5>to Brown University, they had a radio station.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Brown, Yeah, okay, yeah, Brown, so reflect everybody don't

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<v Speaker 3>go to Brown. Most of you niggas don't you know Brown.

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<v Speaker 6>And it was a great place. I love I love,

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<v Speaker 6>I love it.

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<v Speaker 5>But they had a radio station that wasn't a college

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<v Speaker 5>radio station. It wasn't a bunch of kids just like

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<v Speaker 5>throwing on what they want. The Brownie radio station was

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<v Speaker 5>a commercial radio station.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>There were only professionals in the sales department and as

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<v Speaker 5>the general manager. Everything else, promotions, music director, programming director

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<v Speaker 5>was run by kids, and we had to compete for

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<v Speaker 5>the same advertising dollars as everybody else in the market.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was a real quick It wasn't quick, it

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<v Speaker 5>was a it was professional training, right, And so we

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<v Speaker 5>bring professionals, other pds from other stations in to help

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<v Speaker 5>teach us. We all, we all ran, and we all,

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<v Speaker 5>we all populated it. And so unlike folks who came

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<v Speaker 5>out of college radio not knowing how to format, not

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<v Speaker 5>knowing how to not knowing how you know, kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of schedule, I was, I was. I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I spent more time there than I did in class.

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<v Speaker 5>I can only say that because I know my mother

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<v Speaker 5>won't be watching. Like literally, I spent more time at

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<v Speaker 5>the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Finish. Did I finish college? Ye?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I finished?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, listen, you finished.

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<v Speaker 5>Guess what applied math economics degree? That's what I got.

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<v Speaker 5>What applied math and economics?

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<v Speaker 3>Have you applied that to? I can.

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<v Speaker 5>I could not tell you which way a demand curve

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<v Speaker 5>goes right now. But but that was my that was

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<v Speaker 5>my that was my thing radio. I was. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>a good applied math economics. I was a banker for

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<v Speaker 5>a man, I'm not gonna lie I was a banker.

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was I was a commercial banker for a for

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<v Speaker 5>a second before my big break came.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh big break, Yes, I got hired.

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<v Speaker 5>Was w I l D Boston still around when you

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<v Speaker 5>when you came through or is it already been shuttered?

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<v Speaker 5>It may have been shuttered in the late eighties there

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<v Speaker 5>was an AM radio station.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't come until two thousand and so, oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it may have been showed. I was definitely gone

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<v Speaker 5>from then. Gone by then. By about seven or eight years,

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<v Speaker 5>it was an A and M radio station in Boston.

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<v Speaker 5>If you know Boston, Boston is not the blackest city

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<v Speaker 5>in the world, It's not. But Wild on AM was

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<v Speaker 5>like the It was the magnet for all black entertainment,

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<v Speaker 5>black attraction, black black folks. Like everybody was listening to Wild.

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<v Speaker 5>And I got a break there to do a weekend show.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, we got times on a dive into this.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>So the story is I went to Brown University, did WBRU.

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<v Speaker 5>I graduated. I tried to get a job in the industry.

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<v Speaker 5>Couldn't find anything, couldn't I got. I still have my

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<v Speaker 5>rejection letter from Solar Records somewhere right. I was really

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<v Speaker 5>trying to get it radio. I just wanted to be

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<v Speaker 5>in the business and couldn't do it. I ended up

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<v Speaker 5>going back to my oldhigh school and teaching math. So

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<v Speaker 5>I did apply the I used the math. I applied

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<v Speaker 5>the applied math there.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, and that was it.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, Okay, I'm gonna teach. I gotta figure

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<v Speaker 5>out what I'm what I'm gonna do. A year and

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<v Speaker 5>a half later, Christmas, h Christmas, a year after I

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<v Speaker 5>had graduated. I remember his name, Rob Hartley. Rob Harley,

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<v Speaker 5>Uh got sick at wbr U. He was a he

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<v Speaker 5>was a software when I was there. He was now

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<v Speaker 5>now a senior. He got sick. It was Christmas time.

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<v Speaker 5>They were understaffed. They were and somebody called me and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>can you come down do a four hour show? I

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<v Speaker 5>know you haven't done it in a while, but would

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<v Speaker 5>you have fun.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, yeah, it'll be fun. I'll go on this

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<v Speaker 6>first Sunday. I went out.

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday.

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<v Speaker 5>I go down to Providence, Rhode Island. You know, I

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<v Speaker 5>do what I always did before show. I read every paper.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew what where the charts were, so when I

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<v Speaker 5>brought up the music it would be timely. Everything else

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<v Speaker 5>I do more for my four hour show in December.

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<v Speaker 5>I think nothing of it, go back to my life

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<v Speaker 5>and teaching.

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<v Speaker 1>UH.

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<v Speaker 5>In April the following year, I get a call from

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<v Speaker 5>that knew I do know, you'll know this name, el

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<v Speaker 5>Roy Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>El Roy Smith, who was the program director.

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<v Speaker 5>Of Wild at the time before he went to Dallas

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<v Speaker 5>and before in Chicago. He's a very very very big

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<v Speaker 5>influential radio guy, but at was the start of his

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<v Speaker 5>career as the program director there.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, Steven Stephen Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, el Roy Smith.

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<v Speaker 5>What I didn't know is that when I was on

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<v Speaker 5>the radio those four hours, that one Sunday, when I.

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<v Speaker 6>Hadn't been on for a year and a.

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<v Speaker 5>Half, el Roy Smith was driving through Providence, Rhode Island,

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<v Speaker 5>a route I found out later he'd only taken twice

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<v Speaker 5>in the last three years.

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<v Speaker 6>In the previous three years, he heard me on the radio.

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<v Speaker 5>He called back the next day, but since I had

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<v Speaker 5>been gone, the people who were there didn't know. There's

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<v Speaker 5>like Stephen Hill, like, we don't have Stephen Hill on Sundays.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>But he didn't give up.

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<v Speaker 5>He finally called somebody who called the station, and somebody

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<v Speaker 5>who was a friend of mine happened to pick up

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<v Speaker 5>the phone and he called me.

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<v Speaker 6>So my whole career revolves around one.

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<v Speaker 5>Sunday where if Robert Harley doesn't get sick, if I

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<v Speaker 5>don't pick up the phone because there were no cell phones,

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<v Speaker 5>then right if if if Elroy's not driving through at

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<v Speaker 5>that point time, if I don't pick up the phone

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<v Speaker 5>when Elroy calls me, I'm not sitting here with you too.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like a Star Trek episode, like when something happened,

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<v Speaker 5>one thing changes the future.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the one day that changed the future.

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<v Speaker 5>So I've always been so thankful to Elroy, and I've

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<v Speaker 5>just I've called myself the luckiest guy in the world

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<v Speaker 5>so many times.

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<v Speaker 3>And I still absolutely believe.

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<v Speaker 1>That Elroy calls you. Elro called me. I like, I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I like what I heard.

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<v Speaker 5>I like, but I heard Stephen, And tell me more

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<v Speaker 5>about yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how long and how long were you there

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<v Speaker 1>at the station?

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<v Speaker 5>I was at w ild until for five years, eighty

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<v Speaker 5>eight to ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that fly?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, fie eighty eight to ninety three, And then I

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<v Speaker 5>worked I'll talk about this much, but I worked as

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<v Speaker 5>the first executive producer.

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<v Speaker 3>At the Tom Joyner Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 5>No, absolutely, absolutely, they started. They started in January of

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<v Speaker 5>ninety four, and they needed someone who could be the

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<v Speaker 5>liaison between Tom's wild self and all these very nervous

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<v Speaker 5>program directors. They were twelve at first at the radio

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<v Speaker 5>stations that were taking him syndicated.

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<v Speaker 1>Now those are Tom Joyner is a very famous.

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<v Speaker 5>You least callim fly jack fly jock because he usul

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<v Speaker 5>to do a morning show in Dallas and then fly

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<v Speaker 5>to Chicago to do the afternoon show in Chicago same.

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<v Speaker 1>Day, same day. You know, he was same day morning

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<v Speaker 1>show in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 5>They I it was a police escort, but he'd get

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<v Speaker 5>to the airport and then literally do the afternoon show

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<v Speaker 5>in Chicago. Real popular, Like the only person who did

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<v Speaker 5>an interview with Michael Jackson during the bad period. He's

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<v Speaker 5>so and so he became a He's Howard Stern was

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<v Speaker 5>syndicated and then Tom Joyner was the first African American

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<v Speaker 5>syndicated radio person. And so I was the executive producer.

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<v Speaker 5>What that meant is that like Tom, if you if

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<v Speaker 5>you could, it would be great if you played an

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<v Speaker 5>up tempo song right here, Uh, that'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>So we can satisfy el Roy.

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<v Speaker 5>El Roy's one was one of the pds in twelve

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<v Speaker 5>cities Miami, I can't remember Miami, Chicago, but big cities,

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<v Speaker 5>and of course it grew to be this b a myth,

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<v Speaker 5>but I was the first first there.

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<v Speaker 3>How long did you work with Tom Joyner?

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<v Speaker 5>For a year? For a year and a half, and

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<v Speaker 5>then I went to MTV. I moved to New York

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<v Speaker 5>for MTV.

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<v Speaker 3>So at this point, you like, that's your that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>your last dnning radio.

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<v Speaker 5>That was my That was my last stting radio until

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<v Speaker 5>I had had a very lovely and very productive gig

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<v Speaker 5>at Sirius XM about about.

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<v Speaker 3>Four years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I did it. Okay, you I did radio.

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 5>I smile about that because it is through that show

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<v Speaker 5>that my wife and I got reconnected. It was through

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<v Speaker 5>the Serious XM Show. Tracy Jordan, thanks you very much.

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<v Speaker 5>Booked her as a guest on the show. You were

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<v Speaker 5>on the show, You were on my Serious XM show.

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<v Speaker 5>You booked her as a guest. But I did not

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<v Speaker 5>marry you and.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't know, you didn't know. I just really.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, So how does MTV discover you?

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<v Speaker 5>MTV discovered me because at my time at w b

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<v Speaker 5>r u UH Providence at Brown University. A good friend

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<v Speaker 5>of mine who I actually did the morning show with,

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<v Speaker 5>was then one of the program directors at MTV, And

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<v Speaker 5>so there had always been There had been opportunities I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't want, and then they wanted me for stuff I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't want. And we had done a dance for about

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<v Speaker 5>two or three years, and then finally there was an

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<v Speaker 5>opportunity that I thought, this is worth leaving the comfort

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<v Speaker 5>of Dallas, Texas for and going to New York, a

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<v Speaker 5>city I was completely scared of at that point in time.

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<v Speaker 5>In nineteen ninety five, before they cleaned up forty second Street.

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<v Speaker 5>Just to put it put it in context for those

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<v Speaker 5>young folks, forty second Street, which is now Disney five

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<v Speaker 5>used to be crack Row crack Row forty second, forty second,

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<v Speaker 5>forty second Street in New York. Do you not remember

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<v Speaker 5>when forty second Street used to be peep peep shows

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<v Speaker 5>and peak shows.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time going to New York and actually walking

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<v Speaker 2>around was I guess right around ninety nine, ninety.

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<v Speaker 3>Ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, forgetting how much older than you I am.

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<v Speaker 5>This I gotta keep forgetting how much I think I

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<v Speaker 5>see these two you know, I think, I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>with the crew, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You're still with the gang, right, like forty second Street, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>And I get these blank faces.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Shoot, because really was between ninety five and ninety nine

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<v Speaker 5>when Juliani was like, we're getting rid of all this

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<v Speaker 5>and we're making people invest in forty second Street. So

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<v Speaker 5>my point was New York was a much more dangerous

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<v Speaker 5>place than ninety five, and so that's why I was like, ood,

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<v Speaker 5>I really don't want to move there, but this opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>is that was awesome. I love I'm an R and

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<v Speaker 5>B cat, but I grew up in d C where WPGC,

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<v Speaker 5>before it was a black station, would play Barry Man

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<v Speaker 5>Barry Manilow next to earth Wind and Fire, next to

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<v Speaker 5>the Jackson five, next.

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<v Speaker 1>To the Doobie Brothers. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So my musical intake.

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<v Speaker 5>Was always multi genre, multi genre, and so that served

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<v Speaker 5>me great at MTV. It frustrated a few people because

0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:50.880
<v Speaker 5>they thought I was going to be the black guy,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was the guy who was like, no, no, no,

0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:55.920
<v Speaker 5>there's these folks called the Blackstreet Boys. We really should

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 5>take a look at them.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine being his homie from Tom Joyner days, he's telling

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<v Speaker 3>you about the back Boys. Yea too hot?

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<v Speaker 1>You're not happy with Steve Wow? And what was your

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.479
<v Speaker 1>position director? I was director.

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<v Speaker 5>I was a director of music programming, So I was

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<v Speaker 5>on the team the selected the way we like to

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<v Speaker 5>phrase it, the way America rock now. Back in MTV,

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<v Speaker 5>this is back in MTV was actually playing music videos

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<v Speaker 5>call it at least at least eight nine hours a day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>pure pure videos with with vj's in between, and so

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<v Speaker 5>the music really mattered, Like you you played something, you

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<v Speaker 5>moved the needle. Yeah, yeah, first song I remember being

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<v Speaker 5>involved with, but I was like, no, no, this is

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<v Speaker 5>the song we should play. I promise she was gonna hit.

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<v Speaker 6>Was Skilo's I wish ski Loo, I wish.

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<v Speaker 1>I what?

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<v Speaker 5>So I was right, but without MTV would have been

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<v Speaker 5>the same thing, right, It's it's really like we put

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.119
<v Speaker 5>on MTV and it started to blow up.

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<v Speaker 1>It just it just it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was it was too smart old.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, yes, I believe you'll be You're gonna be

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<v Speaker 5>talking to uh Chante Moore in a couple in a

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<v Speaker 5>few weeks or soon, right, Yeah, really you should ask

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:23.240
<v Speaker 5>her about her involvement with ski Lo's. I wish it's

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.119
<v Speaker 5>her story to tell. It's her story to tell. But

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<v Speaker 5>she's on the song. She's on the song. We like that, okay, right?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh sow first record you pised? The first record I remember.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember I picked and I was like, oh that

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<v Speaker 5>was that was gonna work and they were there were

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<v Speaker 5>kid rock days.

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 6>Radiohead is still one of my favorite.

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>It is my favorite rock group to this moment, because

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 5>I remember when they came out. This was after Creep,

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:49.959
<v Speaker 5>when The Bends first came out, as when I started

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 5>and and I was just blown away by their musicianship,

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 5>there the risks they were willing to take, and Tom

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.959
<v Speaker 5>York's vocals or just he's He's one of my favorite

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 5>soul singers. Yeah, so but it was great. Look, I

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 5>talk about somebody who loves live shows, like being able

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:08.959
<v Speaker 5>to go. They used to call they used to call

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 5>me the local because I go to three shows a night.

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 5>I would literally go, like there'd be a showcase that

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.440
<v Speaker 5>a label was having early and then there'd be a

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.280
<v Speaker 5>Mercury Lounge would have somebody around eight o'clock and then

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 5>be a a and I catch the final of some

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.640
<v Speaker 5>show at Madison Square Garden or something it was. It

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:28.439
<v Speaker 5>was like Dave Matthews band ever clear. Uh, it was

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 5>you know jay Z has started around, it was starting

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 5>around you.

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.440
<v Speaker 3>You were really locked in. And that is at once

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 3>again sitting in a meeting and them talking about trying

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 3>to get certain playlisters and different people in a room. Yes,

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 3>you should not have to try to get music people

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:51.120
<v Speaker 3>in a music room. If you really love the music business,

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 3>you should know what's coming, what's here, Well, you know

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 3>what I mean. You should be involved more so on

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 3>it's like, yeah, we think maybe such and such might

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:06.159
<v Speaker 3>come by this showcase. No, if you've signed up for

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:10.440
<v Speaker 3>this thing, you should be at that showcase. Yes, at

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 3>whatever level, you're adding a business.

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 5>And I try not to make it a generational thing

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 5>because so many people want to talk about to talk

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 5>about that, but I just know there's a there was

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 5>a passion and I will say an ability.

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:26.880
<v Speaker 6>So live music has taken on the chin.

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 5>Technology has made live music take it on the chin

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 5>a little bit or a lot of bit over I

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 5>think in the last certainly in the last thirty years.

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 5>So there's a whole generation who doesn't understand what it's

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 5>like to go to a club and hear things out

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:41.360
<v Speaker 5>of tune.

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Because it's live just for a moment.

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 5>It's not because you're bad, it's because it's real, live

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 5>and the passion may have not the passion in the

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 5>note might not have met in that moment, but it's

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 5>still a live experience, right, And so I think there's

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 5>an entire generation who who does not have that experience,

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 5>of course, which makes me always glad that I grew

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 5>up when I did, because I got to see Jackson five, Prince,

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:20.680
<v Speaker 5>James Brown all live. And there's very few people who

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.479
<v Speaker 5>do it like that now. And it's not their fault.

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 5>It's because what they had access to when they grew

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 5>up taking music out of school, so they didn't know

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 5>how to pick up a guitar in third grade. Like,

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 5>there's a whole bunch of societal and technological things that

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 5>made it so their experience had to be different.

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I also believe that that the requirement also, or the

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>people requiring a certain thing kind of changed because we

0:27:54.840 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 2>started gearing or moving away from music, people actually being

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 2>in charge of music. Like the preparation of a Jackson five,

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, the preparation of a James

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Brown of a that's.

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>A costly preparation if you want to be that.

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:31.479
<v Speaker 2>And when the business started overtaking the art, they the

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>business found ways to cut those.

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 5>Corners debt service over dopeness, and debt service over dopeness.

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 2>And and in their mind yield the same or a

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>better result on the books. Yes, but from a career

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 2>standpoint and in the idea of creating icons, yeah.

0:28:57.360 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 3>It took a hit because they're just swapping people out.

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 3>They're swapping people out. It's just like, Okay, who has

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 3>a hot record right now that we can tag along to.

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 3>We know what's in the pipeline. Oh, it's about one

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty thousands in there because they got, you know,

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 3>some traction, and the analytics says that this record can

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 3>go here if we just throw a little bit of money.

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 3>But they're not saying, oh, let's also throw in some

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 3>artists development. Let's also get them with a great choreographer

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 3>and a vocal coach so they can stop hitting that

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 3>bad note that they continue to hit.

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 4>To continue to us all very consistent on that with

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 4>the bad note, right, But that is where it.

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Where you need music people.

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 5>You need music, You need music people, You need music people.

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 6>Again, I'm gonna sound like the old guy.

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 5>But there was the there was the the mo Austin's

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 5>back in the day, like you got three albums before

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 5>you got dropped three albums to find yourself, right right,

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 5>you got you got multiple opportunities before they were like,

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 5>we've given it a shot. It's not going to work,

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 5>good luck, and that timeline is just condensed if your

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 5>second single doesn't work. And let's not let's not understate

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 5>how much the disruptor from tech made all this happen.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 5>Right Once, once you broke up the album, Oh, once

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 5>you broke, Once you broke once you allowed you defined

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 5>the you know, the album cut and the hot single

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 5>or exactly the same price at ninety nine cents and

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 5>you only have to buy one.

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 6>It changed, It changed everything, and I.

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Think it killed the movie, right, it killed It killed

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>the story. Yes, like there's a there's a like there

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 2>are albums where okay, maybe there's not a hit single,

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 2>but the story from song one to thirteen is absolutely incredible.

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 5>The first so y'all have to know this. But Prince

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 5>in nineteen eighty eight put out Love Sexy, and he

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 5>refused to have any CDs printed that any tracks on it.

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 5>You could only put it on and listen from start

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 5>to finish. There was no track one track too, and

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 5>so I remember there being a big, big fight about that.

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 5>He's like, no, that's that's the way, that's how this

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 5>is to be consumed.

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I wonder, from a business standpoint, how is that.

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 3>Well time, because yeah, you can't get it off now

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 3>unless you just have a long play of a song

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 3>that just goes. But from a publishing and now you're

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 3>selling a ten dollars song.

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 6>Well right with Prince publishing was all the same.

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 3>As you say, But.

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 5>The bottom is crazy, top to bottom is crazy. But

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 5>it really is taken away. Look, there's some artists will

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 5>still make the entire artistic statement.

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 5>And I love I love when that happens.

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I love.

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 5>There's nothing I love more than like sitting on a

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 5>on a car ride and listen to an album front

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 5>to back. And I there's few of them in the

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 5>last twenty years that that make me want to do that.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I get for me.

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 5>Also, it's an age thing I always wanted. I always

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 5>want to asterisk I'm I'm older. But I think it's

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 5>also the way that the business has been set up.

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 5>The business has been set up thanks to uh, Steve Jobs.

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 3>I still listen the same way though for me, from

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 3>buy an album. If you put out an album, I'm

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 3>going I'm not going to jump to the song that

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 3>got a star on it on the playlist. I'm literally

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 3>going to go from your intro to the end and

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 3>then I'll decide what I liked from that standpoint, and

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 3>maybe I'll go back and forth tongs that I like.

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 3>But I am searching for that album that I literally

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.479
<v Speaker 3>can do that with and I and for me personally,

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 3>I found albums that I can do that, yes, all

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 3>the way through Leon Thomas Thomas front to back for sure,

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Kendrick Lamar G and X Yes.

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I'm I'm back back, front to back and back

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 5>to front.

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Like I'm literally like those out for me personally,

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 3>those are, you know, albums that I can either take

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 3>a ride to, I'm at the gym, whatever those things are.

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm not skipping one song and it's hard to do that.

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Jazmine Sullivan Hotels. Absolutely Yes, I'm sorry.

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 6>Yes to me, that's the last one that's.

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Summer over it.

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 8>I to man like her every Victoria. I'm sorry Victoria Money,

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 8>but I do I do that exactly what you said.

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm and we don't have to anymore obviously, but I

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>love that experience.

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 5>What's your favorite fund the back album of all time?

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Take time out of it? Favorite fund the back? Off

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the Wall?

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean from the back.

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:14.479
<v Speaker 5>That's not your own, that's not corn I'm sorry, suld

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 5>I said that before.

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Damn he stole my Off the Wall.

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 9>So if it's off the walls, off the agreeable one,

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:25.720
<v Speaker 9>something different, it would.

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Have been thriller. But the Girl's Mine, I gotta do something.

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 3>You don't like the Girl's Mine.

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:30.760
<v Speaker 5>I love the girls.

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people aren't. I'm gonna go.

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 3>I love it. I love what Paul Carty says.

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe it. I don't believe it.

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, and a go on Impact.

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go too. I'm gonna go. Joe Toosy Diary

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>for Man Band and Brandy's first album, Brandy, Oh, that's.

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:57.879
<v Speaker 1>A good one.

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Over forever, my lady. You're gonna go. You're gonna go,

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna go, dive you. Maybe I have to for you, Yeah.

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for me, not along with Off the Wall, but

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.359
<v Speaker 2>just like Jesus.

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 5>That's when I asked the question. I have no idea

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 5>what my answer.

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Is gonna be. Uh.

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 5>Well one, uh one is obviously it's the only It's

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.399
<v Speaker 5>the only album the Prince ever mentioned in the song

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 5>where they where he mentioned the album and the singer

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 5>is precious by Shante rocking on the rocking on the box.

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:30.879
<v Speaker 5>Uh so precious by Chante Moore. Seal second album, hm hmm,

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:35.440
<v Speaker 5>Seal second album. Uh And because I.

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 6>Was such a Jackson five fan, which we haven't talked about.

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 5>The the album ABC, their second album is just start

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 5>to finish, Start to finish, my favorite album of theirs.

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.720
<v Speaker 5>And I promise you if you listen to a song

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 5>called I Don't Know Why, I don't know Why I

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 5>Love You, I don't know Why I Love You, which

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 5>is the end of the first if you have their album,

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.839
<v Speaker 5>it's the last track on the first side, and it's

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 5>Stevie Wonder wrote it. And people talk about how Michael

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 5>Jackson sounded on Who's Loving You. The vocal that this

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 5>twelve year old puts on the Stevie Wonder remake is unbelievable.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:18.839
<v Speaker 5>I promise you just look up the album, maybe see

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 5>by the Jackson five, I don't know why I love you,

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 5>And listen to a twelve year old and remind yourself

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:26.359
<v Speaker 5>the twelve year old.

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you what's because we have this

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 3>back and forth at times. Is Michael Jackson the greatest

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:37.359
<v Speaker 3>kid singer of all time? Think of the rush, the rush,

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 3>the rush.

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 6>Okay, no, and don't give me okay, kid, give me

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 6>what age?

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 5>Give me an age range?

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Anything under eighteen.

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not kid, it's a kid. It's got to

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.399
<v Speaker 1>be anything like under thirteen, anything under twelve, that's a kid.

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 5>So Frankie Lyman's in the conversation, Michael Jackson's in the conversation,

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 5>Tevin Campbell in the conversation Wonder, there's Stevie Wonder.

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.399
<v Speaker 6>I have to now, I have to say, but.

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, when he's singing that.

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 6>Yes, that's true. But okay, I'm glad you.

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:20.320
<v Speaker 5>So listen to Stevie Wonder singing young, and then Michael

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 5>Jackson singing Love Young.

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go.

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 5>I gotta go with Mike at young when it comes.

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 5>When it gets older, it gets closer.

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 3>But Mike changes his voice as he gets older, just

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 3>so Steve. Yeah, I get it.

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 5>But as a kid, I got tomorrow, That's what That's

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:40.959
<v Speaker 5>what I'm saying, Tevin, Frankie, Michael, Who's it? Is there

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 5>a young woman in that conversation.

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 3>The closest I would think would be Brandy.

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 5>She was sixteen, was fIF she was fifteen, fifteen.

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 3>She was saying, she says, she's sang them at fifteen, Yeah,

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:51.800
<v Speaker 3>fourteen fifteen?

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:56.439
<v Speaker 1>Is there a young Jojoh was pretty crazy? Jojo was crazy.

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:57.919
<v Speaker 1>Jojo was a good one.

0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Jo was crazy. Uh.

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:04.800
<v Speaker 5>I am taking Michael Jackson because no one, for forget

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 5>technical ability.

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 1>But no one had the soul.

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm telling you, listen to this one song and you

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 5>will have to keep reminding yourself to the twelve year olds.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the way you articulated that because me, Me

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 2>and Jay go back and forth with this a lot,

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 2>and I think as you broke it down, I think

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 2>technically Devin was the best. But when you add that

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 2>soul element to it, I believed Michael. It's like when

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.279
<v Speaker 2>they say, oh, that kid has an old soul. Yes,

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson had an old soul. From the beginning.

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.359
<v Speaker 3>It did not sound like a key No, he had

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 3>a high voice, but it's like.

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's like a little grown he had the fazing

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 5>a little person.

0:38:53.840 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 10>Really, he's in a movie with mar Willians smoking.

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Robinson said.

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 5>The coolest thing about I thought about Michael Jackson said

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 5>he had never met anyone who was more grown up

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 5>when he was a kid, and never met anybody who

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:16.320
<v Speaker 5>was more of a kid when.

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 3>He was growing grown up.

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that was Michael Jackson.

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.399
<v Speaker 3>Bar because that is that bounds it all us, it does.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, take me from MTV TV.

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 3>E no, before you go to BT, though, I have

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 3>a question. Yeah, did you hire Tyres for MTV?

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Hire him? No?

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 5>No, no, no no, no, I did not.

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 3>What did he do? I forget what he do? He was,

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:41.799
<v Speaker 3>That's why I asked.

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>That's no.

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 5>I think he may have gotten there after you lever

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 5>I left. I feel like he was post ninety nine.

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 1>I left. I left the April ninety nine.

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:56.879
<v Speaker 5>Uh okay, wait, yes, MTV is lovely and I won't

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 5>go into it, but I think this think is funny.

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:02.720
<v Speaker 5>I can always uh and when I left MTV because

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:03.560
<v Speaker 5>it was the.

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh week.

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:13.359
<v Speaker 5>That uh the NAS hate Me Now video came out?

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 5>Video I was at MTV. That's the story that doesn't

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 5>get told right, The story that gets told is like, oh,

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 5>somebody went to the Universal Building hit Steve's out on

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 5>the head. There was another crew that came over to

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.719
<v Speaker 5>MTV to see you, to see all of us.

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 9>All of us, to see all of us because the

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 9>video got played on MTV.

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 5>I won't I won't use any proper now that I

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 5>don't know if it ever got explained.

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>So we have standards and.

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 5>Practices that has that that that you can't say these

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 5>words in there, you can't serve this much in the video.

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:54.279
<v Speaker 5>So videos come in, videos coming to MTV, we'd say

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 5>whether we will to play them or not, and then

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 5>to go to the standards practices. Standards and practices would say, oh,

0:40:58.680 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 5>you have to take this out. You have to take

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 5>out you have to not say that word, you can't

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.240
<v Speaker 5>show that body part. It goes back to the label.

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:09.919
<v Speaker 5>Label makes those edits and it comes back to MTV.

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 3>Hate me.

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Now. Video comes in, goes to standards and practices, they.

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 5>Make their edits. But an artist being on the cross

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.359
<v Speaker 5>was not a standards and practices edit.

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 6>It was not It was a required question.

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:28.680
<v Speaker 5>Edit from the from one of the artists on that

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 5>And so video artists didn't want they didn't want to

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 5>be on the Cross. Did not want to be on

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 5>the Cross. Video goes back to the label. Label makes

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 5>the standards and practices edits doesn't make the artists requested.

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 5>Edit gets back to MTV. Now candidly, it was MTV's

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 5>job to make sure that that artist requested edit was

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:54.759
<v Speaker 5>out right, standard practices did their job, label did their job.

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Everybody had their notes, everybody had their notes.

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 5>It came back, it got missed over, it when on

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 5>the air, and all hell broke loose. It was, but

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 5>it was, it was. It was a simple mistake. Nobody's

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 5>I don't as I understand it. Nobody was trying to

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 5>pull over anything there was. You know, yes, the label

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 5>should have pulled it out because their artists requested it,

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 5>but it was really on us before it got on

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 5>the air to to make sure that got done.

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 1>So I've never told that story. I don't think. I

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>don't think.

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 3>I think I've ever told that story.

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 1>But that was the week I left m TV. That's

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 1>that's how we got to that.

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 5>People here, no, no, and security ain't good enough. No.

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 3>I will say this and.

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Again, there was just feel like a black operation. How

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 2>much we'll hang out with the black no.

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 3>No, no, to that point.

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 5>To that point, the person who was who was the

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 5>head of Running Music at that time, uh was, uh was, Uh,

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 5>there's a couple of white folks who I remember feeling like, Oh,

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm You're lucky I'm here this week, since I'm here

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.760
<v Speaker 5>to protect you and have a conversation and a language

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 5>that you really can't have you won't be able to

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:01.239
<v Speaker 5>have next week. No, that's not because another my man

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 5>was there, he would have had the conversation. But you

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 5>had a senior level person having this conversation. So yeah,

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 5>so they were yeah, and then and then no bad

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 5>boy stuff got played for like four or.

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Five months after that. That was the you can't because

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 3>they did. They came into the building.

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 5>They came in into the m TV building like a

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 5>MTV building, like they came into the Universal building.

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:23.080
<v Speaker 3>No passes, no passing landers.

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 5>The guy, the guy from the guy, the label executive

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 5>came through with the four big dudes.

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Said I needed them to facilitate my movement. That's what

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 3>the four big dudes were doing.

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 5>That's what the four big dudes would do. The label

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 5>executive literally said, I said what what I was like

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 5>when I talked to them off was like, why'd you

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 5>come through like this? It's not going to bode well

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 5>for you, Like I'm leaving like you ain't got me

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 5>to like I needed them to facilitate my movement. If

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 5>you see this, you know who you are?

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.359
<v Speaker 3>He did.

0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I like, first, I'm rolling with that.

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Mh. So now you now, now it's a great way

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:17.399
<v Speaker 3>to go out in the door.

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 5>It was an interesting way to go out the door.

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 5>It was an interesting Yes. So I went to b E.

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 5>T Uh as a VP of music programming.

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 3>Again. That was time when when BT played U uh,

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 3>everybody playing video.

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 5>Everybody's playing videos and so I came away. You just

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:40.239
<v Speaker 5>want to jump the tip thrill? Is that what you're doing?

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 5>You can always So.

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 6>Here's the here's here's here's the thing to know.

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing to know about b Et Young cut

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>and we'll jump around again the cut so again.

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 5>Because we appreciate artists and what they do and always

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 5>want artists, whether it's no awards show, where it's in videos,

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 5>want to have artists be able to present themselves the

0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 5>way they'd like to present themselves. We were conundrum because

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 5>we couldn't do that during the day because the standards

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 5>of the equivalent of standards and practices at BEET wouldn't

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 5>allow it. And I understood it. You don't want to

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 5>have champagne being poured on.

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 3>People, so do standards and practices go to sleep at

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:24.879
<v Speaker 3>a certain time.

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 5>So it's so the deal that we made was, look,

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 5>we just want to we like to play videos more

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 5>like the artists want them.

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:36.879
<v Speaker 1>We understand it can happen during the day.

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 5>As a matter of fact, we can be more strict

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 5>during the day if you allow that thing at night

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 5>at two o'clock in the morning. And there was a boy,

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 5>there were people, folks bought in. So that was But

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:53.480
<v Speaker 5>here's the thing. It was so that videos that already

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 5>existed and videos that were made would have an outlet

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 5>during the day and there and then at night during

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 5>bet Cut and if I'm not mistaken, Bet you and

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 5>Cut came on it two o'clock, two to four, two

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 5>to four, three to five, and we were like, if

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 5>you got your twelve year old up at midnight, then

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:16.680
<v Speaker 5>your your problem is not bet.

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 1>And that's tip Drill is the.

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Poster child for this.

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 5>Is that people started making videos for uncut, right, And

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:38.280
<v Speaker 5>so I'll take the blame for not seeing that coming.

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:39.720
<v Speaker 1>We were really just going.

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.800
<v Speaker 5>To have artists so like, oh, you gotta cut that

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:43.279
<v Speaker 5>out of my video. We gotta cut it out during

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 5>the day, but you get this at night, right, So

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 5>we didn't expect people to just like we ain't trying

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.879
<v Speaker 5>to get daytime play. We're just getting gun cut because

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 5>we didn't realize how big uncut.

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 3>Uncut was a ratings.

0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.800
<v Speaker 1>You thought you were doing some type of damage control

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 1>he's giving them. That's all that was in many answer.

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:15.880
<v Speaker 5>Right, Okay, a common theme throughout things like wanting artists

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 5>to present themselves the way they want to, the way

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 5>they desired, all this stuff.

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 6>So so here's.

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 5>What I knew uncut was a problem. I knew uncut

0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 5>was a problem when Patti LaBelle comes on one oh

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 5>six and Park because she had something else she started

0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 5>too or something. She comes on and and she was asked, so,

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 5>what do you what are you watching now? Like what

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 5>the things you watch on TV? Just ran in crush

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 5>and she's like, I really like on BT on cut

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 5>and we were like, and I forget the follow up.

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 5>The follow was like just trying to check, like like

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 5>sure she wasn't saying just to be funny.

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:52.839
<v Speaker 1>He said, oh no, no.

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 3>Was that video? What the thing smelled like?

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Commercial? Yeah?

0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, yes, cooking.

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Turn that out.

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:14.800
<v Speaker 5>So it was great one of the two of the

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:17.400
<v Speaker 5>best things that happened, as bt cut happened and bet

0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:21.600
<v Speaker 5>Uncut ended. It was because things were getting out of hand.

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 5>People were protesting in front of my boss's house. Really

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 5>oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yah, yeah, oh yeah it was.

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:31.239
<v Speaker 5>I mean just videos, videos overall were being blamed as

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 5>being the scourge of America, right they were. The videos

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 5>were the reason that America was going down the tubes. Yeah,

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.640
<v Speaker 5>uh it was you know, you see the Lords Tucker

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:43.319
<v Speaker 5>never that that trajectory never really ended. Uh and then

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 5>you know the videos with again Champagne on women and

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 5>everything else didn't.

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:47.799
<v Speaker 1>Really help it.

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:52.239
<v Speaker 5>So, uh there were church there were church groups that

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 5>would protest outside my boss's house.

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 3>And so are you in DC at this time?

0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Were you know?

0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 3>We started?

0:48:57.719 --> 0:48:59.440
<v Speaker 5>I started in DC in ninety nine and then I

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:01.319
<v Speaker 5>thought it would a few years to get the thing

0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:06.360
<v Speaker 5>moved to uh New York. But thanks to uh Bob Johnson, Deverly,

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.359
<v Speaker 5>Curtis Gats and we got one of six and parks

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 5>started on in in fall of two thousands, so it

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 5>was only a year. Nice nice to my house in

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 5>DC just stayed empty for I don't know, and it's

0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 5>that's another story. But yeah, so that was that was

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 5>a real challenge for a problem challenge for a while

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:29.759
<v Speaker 5>was UH videos and their content and how we were

0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:34.800
<v Speaker 5>being blamed. One of the most boss moves I ever saw,

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 5>who was Bob Johnson called me and said, I need

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:39.640
<v Speaker 5>a head of every label on the on the phone

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:41.279
<v Speaker 5>at three o'clock in the I remember it was three

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 5>three o'clock PM. I don't remember what day of the

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 5>week it was, but I need every label, every label head.

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 5>But like I'm like, we don't know what they're doing.

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 5>They might have means like every label head on the phone,

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 5>and so I'm dialing, We're just dialing for dollars. It's like,

0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:56.279
<v Speaker 5>please can you make sure that? And I've sent who

0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:59.439
<v Speaker 5>the label heads were at the time, like like like

0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:05.239
<v Speaker 5>like the mucketed MUCKs, you know, uh, Donnie Ironer here,

0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:09.439
<v Speaker 5>Doug Morris, like all the like the big dudes, and

0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 5>they were there at three o'clock PM. And and and

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 5>Bob was like, we're taking all of this flack for

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:21.280
<v Speaker 5>things that you are producing. So if you don't start

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.879
<v Speaker 5>taking some of this or find a way to make

0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 5>sure that we're not taking all of it, it's going

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:28.920
<v Speaker 5>to be a problem. And I and I and I

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.279
<v Speaker 5>appreciated that because we because BT took a lot of

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 5>flak for videos that we we edited down. We we

0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 5>we we we couldn't tell people to what you're just.

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Doing your best to represent the artists and their freedoms

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>and their artistic vision, like you were just trying your

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:47.239
<v Speaker 1>best to support.

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:48.960
<v Speaker 5>That was that is indeed, that is indeed the case

0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:52.120
<v Speaker 5>as BT did long before I got there, and it's

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 5>done long since I left.

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:57.600
<v Speaker 2>But it's like, also, you kind of gotta help us

0:50:57.600 --> 0:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>out when you're dating.

0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:05.840
<v Speaker 3>You can't deliver. You can't deliver. You can't you can't deliver.

0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 5>I can't think of I don't want to call out

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:09.879
<v Speaker 5>any video, but you can't call out the villain.

0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:11.520
<v Speaker 3>You can't deliver the.

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:14.360
<v Speaker 5>Video where they're they're pouring a honey on a selection

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 5>of women and then smacking the ass and go like,

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 5>y'all plan.

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, yeah, Well if you if you go on YouTube,

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 3>it's a free for all now now everything, but at

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 3>no one's expense.

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Right at your own expense at that point.

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 3>But and that's the thing I just wonder, also, are

0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 3>those same people picketing in front of the YouTube officers they.

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Gave up the fight the fight?

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.120
<v Speaker 3>Did they give up the fight or was it that

0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 3>they were holding BT to a different standard, because it

0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 3>was like, it's my cousin.

0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 5>I think that's both.

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:51.279
<v Speaker 3>We're all black, I can go and.

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:57.040
<v Speaker 5>I'm always looking for the positive side of things. And

0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 5>so what that meant is that they were passionate about right,

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.600
<v Speaker 5>CBS doesn't have fans, right, ABC didn't have fans.

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 1>TBS doesn't have fans. BT had fans.

0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:11.359
<v Speaker 5>BT had folks who were always cheering for us and

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 5>wanted to hold us accountable.

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:14.560
<v Speaker 6>The wholding accountable didn't didn't really bother me.

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:17.400
<v Speaker 5>It was the level to which they went and invaded

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:21.359
<v Speaker 5>people's private lives that was That was a real real

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:27.320
<v Speaker 5>challenge behind that. But I always always appreciated that folks

0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:30.520
<v Speaker 5>cheered for us, folks want us to win. Folks. Bob

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:34.040
<v Speaker 5>Johnson talks about the day that they rang the bell

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.680
<v Speaker 5>at the Stock Exchange and the people who working in

0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:40.839
<v Speaker 5>the service jobs who were black were like crying because

0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 5>they hadn't seen something like that happen before, and they

0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 5>were really proud of that, of that moment, and they

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:47.840
<v Speaker 5>were to stock Exchange and see people come by ringing

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 5>the bells for years and then, but to see a

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.200
<v Speaker 5>black man do it for a media company was really

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:59.240
<v Speaker 5>was really special. B BT is just an unbelievably special place.

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:05.240
<v Speaker 5>Jumping off ground. Uh entity just awesome.

0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:10.839
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk one six and Park Man. Okay, let's let's

0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 1>talk to talk man. Let's what about it? I mean,

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:19.560
<v Speaker 1>what's so much? One O six and Park.

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 2>The landmark, Yes, where everybody wanted to land.

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.960
<v Speaker 1>How how tricky.

0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Was was that for you to manage all of who

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:42.400
<v Speaker 2>gets who gets to sit? Or okay, who gets to

0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:46.240
<v Speaker 2>just get their video played? Okay, you can perform? Maybe

0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 2>you like all of these things.

0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 5>So I need to shout out a few people so

0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:55.120
<v Speaker 5>I can get into the story and not worry about

0:53:55.160 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 5>doing it now. Penny McDonald, who was simple leave my

0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:04.319
<v Speaker 5>right hand for so many years and instrumental in so

0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 5>many of these things that you're going to ask about,

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 5>was Penny McDonald, Rick Grimes, Lee Harris, Melanie Massey, uh

0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 5>and talent, Kelly g and music. And as I think

0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:23.080
<v Speaker 5>of more people, I will, I will, I will somt

0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 5>them out. Stephanie Hodges insub because she was always in

0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:27.840
<v Speaker 5>sub board and I'd say, hey, can you do this,

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:29.279
<v Speaker 5>She's like, y'all do it and then not do it

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 5>and then it would be better than the thing I

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 5>asked for. So just a really Stephie Hodges was a

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:35.480
<v Speaker 5>great was it was. It was a great great inventive

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:37.360
<v Speaker 5>producer as well. Now, okay, I just want to make

0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:40.440
<v Speaker 5>sure that people because I never because one O six

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 5>in part was completely a gang of folks who really

0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:48.800
<v Speaker 5>believed in the mission when other folks would and I

0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:51.480
<v Speaker 5>rarely say these, you got me saying a lot who

0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 5>really believed that we would never ever come close to

0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.880
<v Speaker 5>t r L And that was the that was undoubtedly

0:54:59.920 --> 0:55:05.480
<v Speaker 5>the driver for the first first year and more than

0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:09.760
<v Speaker 5>the first year. But getting to their level, or getting

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.880
<v Speaker 5>to their ratings level, not their creative level. But we

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 5>had a report card every day, which is ratings like

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 5>how many people watched to you, how many people watch them?

0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:23.000
<v Speaker 5>And I was maniacal about watching about seeing that how

0:55:23.000 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 5>that was.

0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:26.400
<v Speaker 6>But it was just it was a it was just

0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:27.040
<v Speaker 6>flavor of love.

0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 5>The the so the one oh six in Park in

0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.880
<v Speaker 5>a lot of ways was built around my first Jackson

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:39.640
<v Speaker 5>five concert July seventeenth.

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Nineteen seventy one.

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:45.000
<v Speaker 5>The Commodore's open, fine, Commodore Commodores are open. They have

0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 5>no single machine guns, not out yet. And while they're

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:53.520
<v Speaker 5>on the audience is screaming, we want the Jackson five,

0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:55.359
<v Speaker 5>we want the Jackson five.

0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:57.600
<v Speaker 6>While they're performed.

0:55:57.440 --> 0:55:58.919
<v Speaker 5>So they don't know who the Commodore are. They don't

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:00.319
<v Speaker 5>realize a lot of or Richie's gonna go to be

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:02.560
<v Speaker 5>one of the greatest, Like they don't know what they're

0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:03.320
<v Speaker 5>seeing in the moment.

0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Not that did I.

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.360
<v Speaker 5>And they go off, they go off stage, and the

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 5>lights come on, and the lights went down before the

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:13.520
<v Speaker 5>Jackson five came on, and there was a sound that

0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:15.439
<v Speaker 5>when I talk about I can still hear in my ear.

0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 5>There was a scream, there was a whale, there was

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 5>a there was an antisity, there was audio, uh audible

0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:25.680
<v Speaker 5>anticipation of that thing that was coming up next.

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:27.000
<v Speaker 1>And so.

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 5>One O six in Park I always wanted to get

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:34.759
<v Speaker 5>that sound, like that sound of teenagers, young black teenagers,

0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:38.280
<v Speaker 5>losing their mind, like for that thing.

0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 6>That's about to come out next.

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.680
<v Speaker 5>Is what one O six in Park was built for

0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:48.239
<v Speaker 5>and to do and we got we got and again lucky, lucky, lucky.

0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:53.359
<v Speaker 5>It came along the same time that Bow Wow came out, right,

0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:56.520
<v Speaker 5>and so.

0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.200
<v Speaker 1>From the beginning to the end, and so.

0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:02.719
<v Speaker 5>We had you know, there's a bunch of people who

0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 5>do we had on in great talent, but bow Wow was.

0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:10.000
<v Speaker 6>The first act that got that sound.

0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:13.480
<v Speaker 5>That sound, yeah, that sound that I that I'd heard

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:18.600
<v Speaker 5>twenty nine years before was was was had when bow

0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:20.800
<v Speaker 5>Wow came out. And then B two K and then

0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 5>Chris Brown, then Trey Songs and the whole bunch of

0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:26.440
<v Speaker 5>like I got to hear that sound.

0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Talk about genuine and the ambulance.

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 6>We ain't got to that point.

0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:32.720
<v Speaker 1>You got.

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 6>Genuine, genuinees wasn't anticipation.

0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.840
<v Speaker 5>Genuine wasn't like genuine, and then you spring it was

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.040
<v Speaker 5>it was like bow Wow and you know right right

0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 5>it was. B two K was so crazy. I know

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 5>B two K was so crazy that we were trying

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:53.720
<v Speaker 5>not to let them know when we were We would

0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:55.600
<v Speaker 5>actually trying to tape that show so it wasn't live,

0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 5>so people wouldn't come up because they were live. And

0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:00.720
<v Speaker 5>once and it was the first she was there, they

0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 5>came to one O sixth and Park. I want to

0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 5>go to details because one of the park in case

0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:07.080
<v Speaker 5>you don't know, was named after the intersection where the

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:10.520
<v Speaker 5>studios studio actually was one O six and Park in

0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:15.640
<v Speaker 5>in uh In in New York. They came up and

0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:19.120
<v Speaker 5>these these girls came up and surrounded the building and

0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:24.720
<v Speaker 5>I mean beatles like like like coming into JFK. Like

0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:28.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm not exaggerating and I'll just clap cap it off.

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.240
<v Speaker 5>And they were like, and the police came out and

0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:32.000
<v Speaker 5>these girls like, we.

0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 3>Want to get in, we gotta get in, we gotta

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 3>get in.

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:34.440
<v Speaker 1>You're not getting in.

0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:37.560
<v Speaker 5>And I saw a fourteen year old girl get thrown

0:58:37.600 --> 0:58:40.640
<v Speaker 5>into a back of the police cruiser. Now I know

0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:44.040
<v Speaker 5>things have changed, but I like she deserved to be

0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 5>in the back of the police cruiser.

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Like she deserved that.

0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:48.600
<v Speaker 6>She deserved, she earned it.

0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:54.080
<v Speaker 1>She earned the back of that cruise with her behavior.

0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:56.200
<v Speaker 5>Now we made sure that she got out, it was right,

0:58:56.240 --> 0:58:58.040
<v Speaker 5>but I was like, we gotta give.

0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Her a minute put her in.

0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:02.720
<v Speaker 5>That That was the that was the activity, that was

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 5>the energy there was around around Bet and it was

0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 5>it was just it's just the best thing. We talked

0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:13.840
<v Speaker 5>about the business of political side of the business, which

0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:15.120
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to spend that much time on tell

0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:18.400
<v Speaker 5>you the shoes, but I will say days of bad

0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 5>meetings or board presentations or something I freaking loved at

0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:23.480
<v Speaker 5>six o'clock.

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I could go to the studio.

0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 5>I could go to the studio and just make the connection,

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 5>make the connection with the audience, like they were the

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:33.040
<v Speaker 5>livest audience there was. There was hardly ever like they

0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:37.360
<v Speaker 5>really like. I didn't realize we were. I didn't realize

0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:42.400
<v Speaker 5>the first that there was for that type of entertainment.

0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:46.200
<v Speaker 5>I didn't really realize like t r O was their

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:49.600
<v Speaker 5>default because there was nothing else like One of Six

0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 5>and Park live. Like there was a lot of stuff.

0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:53.720
<v Speaker 5>BT had great music shows before and video soul, but

0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:55.680
<v Speaker 5>it wasn't live. It wasn't with an audience. It wasn't

0:59:55.880 --> 1:00:02.800
<v Speaker 5>You couldn't see your culture with you. And so again

1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:04.560
<v Speaker 5>we we we got, we got lucky in One of

1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:05.200
<v Speaker 5>Six in Park.

1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Uh. It lasted fourteen years, fourteen.

1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Years, wow, fourteen.

1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 3>I want to say, the part was great.

1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:17.320
<v Speaker 5>It was great, And nothing makes me happier than hearing

1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:21.440
<v Speaker 5>people talk about how One of Six in Park was

1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:25.200
<v Speaker 5>was an absolute part of their childhood, right, and it

1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:27.640
<v Speaker 5>they feel about One of six Park like I do

1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:29.960
<v Speaker 5>about Soul Train h m hmm.

1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, and to and to be.

1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:35.800
<v Speaker 5>Part of that, to be part of that absolute like that,

1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:40.120
<v Speaker 5>to have entertained it's just it's it's it's it's the

1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:43.160
<v Speaker 5>greatest thing in the world. I was on one of

1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:49.320
<v Speaker 5>six and few times we were I wanted to me

1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:53.240
<v Speaker 5>to tell it we were somewhere. We were somewhere, and

1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:56.040
<v Speaker 5>they because my wife is fantastic. My wife is just

1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:59.400
<v Speaker 5>the best at what she does and is amazing. And

1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:03.920
<v Speaker 5>its crowds wherever she goes, and someone asks like like, like,

1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.360
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you do you feel bad? How do you

1:01:06.400 --> 1:01:09.120
<v Speaker 5>feel that your wife is so like she's so popular,

1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:11.640
<v Speaker 5>and like you just in the background, I'm like, I

1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:13.919
<v Speaker 5>feel great. Number one, She's the greatest in the world.

1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:15.600
<v Speaker 5>I love I love supporting her. Number two.

1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:17.480
<v Speaker 1>That was kind of part of one O six in Park.

1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:23.040
<v Speaker 5>So I'm good Bet Awards one of six in part

1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:24.120
<v Speaker 5>like I'm like, I'm good.

1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Like my goal.

1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:30.880
<v Speaker 5>Literally I got to be around music and entertain people

1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:34.800
<v Speaker 5>and make people smile, like that's the thing. And without

1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:38.480
<v Speaker 5>any musical talent, like that's the thing. I just got

1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:40.080
<v Speaker 5>to I got to be the art I got to

1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:42.040
<v Speaker 5>be the art gallery. I got to be part of

1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:44.520
<v Speaker 5>our gallery, a curator of our gallery. Like, oh, this

1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:46.280
<v Speaker 5>is gonna be good with that. That's gonna work. There,

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<v Speaker 5>that's gonna work. Oh, they got a genuine, genuine with

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<v Speaker 5>the ambulance.

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<v Speaker 6>That's gonna be a lot of fun. That'll that'll work.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a great performance, genuine and genuine coming out

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<v Speaker 5>of the stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>Is just that bad acting. They said, something happened to j.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not going to make it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not going.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, great that you said though awards. Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 3>h yeah, there was another amazing thing. Yes, that you

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<v Speaker 3>were a part of curating this.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say this before you before you say

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<v Speaker 2>what you're going to say. You know, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say this, and I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do any feather Yeah, there ruffling.

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<v Speaker 2>I just you know what, Let me frame it like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me say like, by the.

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<v Speaker 5>Way, feathers, feathers in a cap when there's a cap

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<v Speaker 5>means you did something really good. I learned that after

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<v Speaker 5>the Kendrick Lamar uh destected Kendrick Lamar super feather his cap,

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<v Speaker 5>so ruffling feathers is perfectly fine, right now, Okay, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I just want to make that I'm gonna frame it

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<v Speaker 5>this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Things changed after Stephen Hill. Things changed, they were different,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember the times of Stephen Hill, and those

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<v Speaker 2>were some great fucking times.

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<v Speaker 5>That's all I'm gonna say. All right, that's a great statement.

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<v Speaker 5>Glad there was no question to it. I will say this.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it goes back to the thing that we

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<v Speaker 5>talked about before in terms of artist preparation, artist development,

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<v Speaker 5>and artist preparation. I think there is some the artists

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<v Speaker 5>of now performed differently and need different things on stage

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<v Speaker 5>than the artists earlier, right.

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<v Speaker 6>And so I think that may be some of the

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<v Speaker 6>thing you're you're you're noticing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh yeah, yeah. I I've not missed a show. I

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<v Speaker 5>still go and I still stand up, and I love

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<v Speaker 5>every show.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, I think this past year was one of the

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<v Speaker 5>best ones ever. And I and and what needs to

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<v Speaker 5>be pointed out in I don't think it's gets enough

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<v Speaker 5>notice is the BT Awards of twenty twenty COVID set

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<v Speaker 5>the blueprint for how every Awards show did.

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<v Speaker 6>No one knew how.

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<v Speaker 5>To do award shows when COVID came around, No one like,

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<v Speaker 5>what are we gonna do?

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<v Speaker 3>What are we gonna do?

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<v Speaker 5>And Connie Orlando and Jesse Collins and and Dion Dion Harmon.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh I was supposed to say Dianicole Harmon because that's

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<v Speaker 5>what it uh, Dion, It's it's it's like Chuck Berry

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<v Speaker 5>playing the guitar like if you if you're now, and

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<v Speaker 5>you're like, well, that's not really, that's really there's nothing

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<v Speaker 5>special about that.

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<v Speaker 6>But it was pioneering. It was like no one had

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<v Speaker 6>done that before.

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<v Speaker 5>And so the BT Awards twenty twenty if you look bad,

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<v Speaker 5>I had at Lesha Keys out there and it was

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<v Speaker 5>it was the George Floyd year as well. I mean

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<v Speaker 5>a little baby laying down like and and was able

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<v Speaker 5>to keep you captured with no audience, with no audience,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's what happened for the next year. BT Awards

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty one was the first one to give you

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<v Speaker 5>the little cocktail setting, like the cock the look for

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<v Speaker 5>the cocktail tables and now what did what did?

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<v Speaker 1>What did?

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<v Speaker 3>What did the Grammys have this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Will Grahams have this year?

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<v Speaker 5>Cocktail, the little cocktails tables around. So I always want

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<v Speaker 5>to sell it because because I don't think i'd get

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<v Speaker 5>enough credit for being kind of the Chuck Berry, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>coming out of COVID when no one knew knew what

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<v Speaker 5>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I don't know if the I don't And

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of just times changing and maybe the artists of

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<v Speaker 2>people in terms of how they view things, it just

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<v Speaker 2>feels like the reverence of a thing is just different now.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I remember. I remember, like when the BET Awards

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<v Speaker 2>was coming up, like it was a frenzy for all

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. There wasn't gonna be anybody

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<v Speaker 2>missing at the BET Awards. It wasn't gonna be anybody

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<v Speaker 2>like the BT. No, I'm good on that when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, it wasn't no really sitting at home

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<v Speaker 2>like the top of the Top were at the BET Awards.

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<v Speaker 5>In my time, in my yes, also in your time.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't think it's uh uh, it's not a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not a not a coincidence. What I'm I forget

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<v Speaker 5>what to say, but you'll understand.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>BT was also involved daily in how much you got exposure,

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<v Speaker 5>right right, those those those things are connected. I remember

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<v Speaker 5>making can't I remember making some deals like we really

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<v Speaker 5>would love to have you at the show, Okay, video

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<v Speaker 5>play for this artist, because we're building this show.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the things we're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think that's it's it, that's that's I'll use

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<v Speaker 6>the word leverage.

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<v Speaker 1>There was leverage. There was there was a there was

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<v Speaker 1>a negotiation.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a great given, there was a great given,

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<v Speaker 5>there was a great give and take. And and I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's still true that and they know we want

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<v Speaker 5>you to look good, like they know everybody. We're we're

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<v Speaker 5>into making this and and it's the thing, it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>the thing that continues with the BET Awards.

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<v Speaker 6>You want to make things look as best as they

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<v Speaker 6>possibly can.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the Hip Hop Awards gets overlooked is because

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<v Speaker 5>the idea was make was to make hip hop shine,

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<v Speaker 5>make something it's grimy shine as well and look looks spectacular.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you as you say that?

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you said that, because that makes a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you feel like as we have our.

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube and our Instagram and all these things that now

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<v Speaker 2>fuel our content, do you feel like we are still

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<v Speaker 2>missing that the one thing, that one show, that one

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<v Speaker 2>that one O six in Park that you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of that shaped the the childhoods, that shaped the careers

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<v Speaker 2>and shaped and brought everybody together in this one place.

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<v Speaker 5>So I miss it. But again, once again I must

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<v Speaker 5>remind you, I'm older. I respect that there's a generation

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<v Speaker 5>whose discovery of music is very different than what I

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<v Speaker 5>or we did, right. We enjoyed having curated music. We

1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:03.479
<v Speaker 5>enjoyed listening to the radio and hearing what the new

1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:06.519
<v Speaker 5>thing was. We enjoyed watching soul training and seeing with

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<v Speaker 5>the new dances. We enjoyed watching one O six in

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<v Speaker 5>Park and then going to school and sharing that thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the DSPs, Spotify, Apple Music Title, all the

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<v Speaker 5>rest of them, and YouTube made it so. Folks don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to be curated to thet. They want to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to make the discover themselves and go, hey this

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<v Speaker 5>is what I discovered.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like it too?

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<v Speaker 1>And then things got shared? Right.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the Internet and that approach is a way

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<v Speaker 5>that this generation enjoys it. Where we enjoyed, We loved

1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:46.160
<v Speaker 5>having that central core thing. We loved being able to

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<v Speaker 5>talk about that performance. I think award ward shows still

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<v Speaker 5>do that. I love the chatter that existed around the

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<v Speaker 5>the super Bowl halftime show super Bowl Halftime show this year,

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<v Speaker 5>I loved all of the conversation around it. I got

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<v Speaker 5>a shout out once again produced by Jesse Andon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because.

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<v Speaker 5>It I still like things that unite folks and the

1:10:21.040 --> 1:10:23.000
<v Speaker 5>thing about that unites them and then people don't go

1:10:23.080 --> 1:10:24.720
<v Speaker 5>and have their own opinions and everybody's got their own

1:10:24.720 --> 1:10:28.400
<v Speaker 5>TikTok video. But in terms of discovery of music and

1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:33.360
<v Speaker 5>new music, folks like it's it's hard written. Terrestial radio

1:10:33.400 --> 1:10:35.400
<v Speaker 5>is still around, but it's but it's more it's more

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<v Speaker 5>of a I want to discover it. I want to

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna go through things myself.

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<v Speaker 3>But don't you think we deserve alternatives, right because we

1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:48.680
<v Speaker 3>still have Jimmy Kimmel, Yes, we still have Foulon, but

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<v Speaker 3>we have nothing for the black community or for urban music,

1:10:54.080 --> 1:10:56.559
<v Speaker 3>and we you know, it's you got to roll the

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<v Speaker 3>dice to see who's who's going to get on one

1:10:59.320 --> 1:11:02.599
<v Speaker 3>of those shows, right, So, but before we've we've had

1:11:03.640 --> 1:11:07.360
<v Speaker 3>so to you know, like, I completely understand and respect

1:11:07.400 --> 1:11:10.719
<v Speaker 3>what you're saying. I just think that if those shows

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<v Speaker 3>can still exist, why can't ours, Why can't I our

1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:16.920
<v Speaker 3>senior hall still exists? Why can a one O six

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<v Speaker 3>in park still exists? Are as ol trained or yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Which the times are changing, so yes, the newer versions

1:11:22.320 --> 1:11:28.559
<v Speaker 3>of them, right, it's coming along. But Johnny Carson, Jimmy Fallon,

1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:30.240
<v Speaker 3>now it's just you know what I mean, it's and

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<v Speaker 3>those shows haven't changed much.

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<v Speaker 5>But if they're not music based, right, there's a music

1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:36.360
<v Speaker 5>performance on it. I think that, And that's.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying, Like I'm saying something that just

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<v Speaker 3>like we don't have anything where in the space honestly

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<v Speaker 3>that an urban artist, a new R and B artist, a.

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<v Speaker 1>New new actor act.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm I'm going to I'm going to argue for

1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:56.519
<v Speaker 5>Questlove because because that show has had a few artists

1:11:56.560 --> 1:11:58.960
<v Speaker 5>that I was surprised, and I know he's kind of

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<v Speaker 5>pushing buttons behind trying to trying to get that done.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't what is that?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I'm sorry, that's a that's a Fallon show, Jimmy

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<v Speaker 5>Fallon tonight show the roots because.

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<v Speaker 1>The roots of the roots of the band.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I get it, but it's not our show.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it's not his show, I think because I was

1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:17.479
<v Speaker 3>about to say, what's you are you talking about? You

1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:19.479
<v Speaker 3>said it was so and I realized that they're the

1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:23.320
<v Speaker 3>band for it his show. That's the difference between having

1:12:23.520 --> 1:12:26.639
<v Speaker 3>one O six in part are having our Senior Hall,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 5>I think as soon as someone finds that there's money

1:12:31.120 --> 1:12:33.040
<v Speaker 5>to be made and having a new or Senio Hall,

1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:35.559
<v Speaker 5>our Senior Hall will come back. I just don't think,

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<v Speaker 5>and especially in this climate right now, I don't see

1:12:41.439 --> 1:12:45.200
<v Speaker 5>someone turning a Tonight like show and let's it's really

1:12:45.240 --> 1:12:48.000
<v Speaker 5>on the Tonight show in Saturday Live right those those

1:12:48.080 --> 1:12:52.200
<v Speaker 5>feel like the only places. And if you ask record folks,

1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:55.240
<v Speaker 5>SNL moves the needle every once in a while it's

1:12:55.240 --> 1:12:57.479
<v Speaker 5>a great performance. One of those other shows will move

1:12:57.479 --> 1:13:01.240
<v Speaker 5>the needle, but it's much more for additional exposure. I

1:13:01.240 --> 1:13:06.000
<v Speaker 5>think as soon as someone believes that that our Senial

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<v Speaker 5>Hall or the new Arsennial Hall or I think of

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<v Speaker 5>this name UH is going to be better than Colbert,

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<v Speaker 5>then Colbert will be out. But until then, until then,

1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:18.800
<v Speaker 5>it's not going to happen. It's going back to the money.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the same thing that not you know, the music

1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:23.280
<v Speaker 5>people out of the out of music. You know you're

1:13:23.280 --> 1:13:26.599
<v Speaker 5>going to keep it your the money. You gotta follow

1:13:26.600 --> 1:13:29.519
<v Speaker 5>the money, got to follow the money. We've got to

1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:31.720
<v Speaker 5>figure that out for you. I look forward to it.

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<v Speaker 5>I look forward to being part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to continue to create platform where we can

1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:42.559
<v Speaker 3>give exposure to our talent. Yes, because now you got

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<v Speaker 3>to be the one percent of the one percent to

1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:48.160
<v Speaker 3>get on any of their platforms. Absolutely, so we have

1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:50.360
<v Speaker 3>to continue to create our own you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a big reason why we wanted you here too,

1:13:54.400 --> 1:13:57.000
<v Speaker 3>just just for your knowledge of it, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to give the insight to young creators that are out

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<v Speaker 3>there and for us, for us to think of new

1:14:03.200 --> 1:14:04.519
<v Speaker 3>things that we want to do. I mean, we talked

1:14:04.560 --> 1:14:07.479
<v Speaker 3>about other stuff, you know, before we before we start filming.

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<v Speaker 3>But we have to continue to create it.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's right and and and creators. It's it

1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:17.200
<v Speaker 5>sounds corny, but like, be true to yourself. There's there's

1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:20.880
<v Speaker 5>gonna be no better you than you. You may get

1:14:20.920 --> 1:14:23.880
<v Speaker 5>influenced by someone else, but like just keep doing it. Look,

1:14:24.240 --> 1:14:26.920
<v Speaker 5>there's no platform where you can curate like that, but

1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:30.920
<v Speaker 5>my goodness, there I mean, there's so many artists who've

1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:34.120
<v Speaker 5>made it big and never been on one of those

1:14:34.120 --> 1:14:36.280
<v Speaker 5>platforms or never had a platform move for them and

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<v Speaker 5>can sell out. I mean, you know, like right now,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thinking of a Sabrina Claudia right who's never really

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<v Speaker 5>had a huge hit record, but like has a rabid

1:14:48.000 --> 1:14:50.120
<v Speaker 5>fan base who will come out and she's curated it

1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:52.200
<v Speaker 5>through the internet in ways that I don't. I don't

1:14:52.280 --> 1:14:54.320
<v Speaker 5>understand how to use TikTok to make a record move.

1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:54.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's yeah, this is it's a it's a new

1:14:58.760 --> 1:15:01.360
<v Speaker 5>thing that you know. It's like my grandmother trying to

1:15:01.400 --> 1:15:04.679
<v Speaker 5>ruse the remote, right, It's it's a it's a different era.

1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:09.360
<v Speaker 5>But I do love that people can use YouTube and

1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:13.519
<v Speaker 5>like keep putting things on YouTube, keep putting things up

1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:16.080
<v Speaker 5>on TikTok, keep trying to get it out there. I

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<v Speaker 5>think the the turn is when one of these labels

1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:26.519
<v Speaker 5>take interest in you and you start you start popping,

1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:31.760
<v Speaker 5>concentrate less on the popping and more. And it's so

1:15:31.880 --> 1:15:33.560
<v Speaker 5>hard for a young person to do, especially when the

1:15:33.560 --> 1:15:36.800
<v Speaker 5>money starts coming in. But how what what is what

1:15:36.920 --> 1:15:39.599
<v Speaker 5>is three years down the line? Look like, who can

1:15:39.640 --> 1:15:41.679
<v Speaker 5>I get with? Who can teach me artists?

1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Development? Who can I like what.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's so hard when you when you're young and

1:15:47.439 --> 1:15:49.800
<v Speaker 5>you have nothing, you put this thing out and people like.

1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:53.000
<v Speaker 3>It to look that far.

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<v Speaker 6>You've got to have great counsel for that.

1:15:55.479 --> 1:15:55.800
<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I to get frustrated. I see these these

1:16:06.000 --> 1:16:09.040
<v Speaker 5>TikTok artists who come along and they may have something

1:16:09.240 --> 1:16:14.320
<v Speaker 5>really catchy and then I'm like, Okay, well let me

1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:18.840
<v Speaker 5>go watch them perform live, and I'm like, and they're

1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:20.600
<v Speaker 5>not even working on it. They just realize they're just

1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:22.960
<v Speaker 5>they're there. They realize that they walk back and forth

1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:25.479
<v Speaker 5>and uh say the lyrics, they can get the check

1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:29.120
<v Speaker 5>and go home, and they believe it can that's going

1:16:29.160 --> 1:16:32.719
<v Speaker 5>to that's going to keep them going today.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't get booked anymore.

1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:37.439
<v Speaker 6>I mean and and live music is doing better than

1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:38.519
<v Speaker 6>it ever has before.

1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:40.760
<v Speaker 5>Right, I think there's a there's a false sense of

1:16:40.760 --> 1:16:45.479
<v Speaker 5>security and the longevity when you know TikTok rapper can

1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:48.960
<v Speaker 5>go out and get there and uh and and get

1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:50.760
<v Speaker 5>a checked for a while and and not look at

1:16:50.800 --> 1:16:52.840
<v Speaker 5>the future. I said this once before. You do have

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<v Speaker 5>the eye of the tiger or eye of the TikTok

1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:59.200
<v Speaker 5>like you like, like, right, I have the tiger means

1:16:59.200 --> 1:17:01.200
<v Speaker 5>you're gonna get ready for three years from now. You're

1:17:01.200 --> 1:17:03.880
<v Speaker 5>preparing yourself, you're getting your crew together, you're getting your development.

1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Because I have TikTok is like.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna ride this until my label drops.

1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:13.120
<v Speaker 3>Me, losing in mind when TikTok was down for every

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<v Speaker 3>many hours, you.

1:17:15.040 --> 1:17:17.479
<v Speaker 6>Know, absolutely all right, test me out, test.

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<v Speaker 1>Me out your top five R and B singers.

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<v Speaker 5>M So, does everybody have a disclaimer before they do

1:17:28.600 --> 1:17:32.519
<v Speaker 5>their top five or like everyone has a disclaimer like like, oh, it's.

1:17:32.360 --> 1:17:34.040
<v Speaker 6>Hard to get five, hard to get five.

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<v Speaker 5>These are five of my top and I'm gonna try

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<v Speaker 5>to avoid some of the ones that you that you

1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:46.960
<v Speaker 5>may always get. Uh, that's not true. That's not true,

1:17:47.280 --> 1:17:50.120
<v Speaker 5>and it has to be five. I thought I was

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<v Speaker 5>much more prepared for this than I was. I'm gonna

1:17:55.240 --> 1:17:59.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna start with I'm gonna start with the obvious.

1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:04.400
<v Speaker 5>I sent out a tweet in the year twenty eleven

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<v Speaker 5>and it was random. It wasn't connected to anything else

1:18:08.200 --> 1:18:14.120
<v Speaker 5>that I had sent out, and I just said something like,

1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:19.839
<v Speaker 5>my goodness, the most underrated singer in all of music

1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:24.400
<v Speaker 5>is Chantey Moore. I said that out too, that randomly

1:18:24.840 --> 1:18:27.080
<v Speaker 5>randomly in twenty eleven. Now what I imagine I di

1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:29.960
<v Speaker 5>I used. I was probably listening to something and listening

1:18:30.000 --> 1:18:36.400
<v Speaker 5>to her sing, and it made me write that the thing.

1:18:36.840 --> 1:18:39.200
<v Speaker 5>And I know that I'm married to her, but I

1:18:39.280 --> 1:18:43.800
<v Speaker 5>need you to understand that I can articulate.

1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:48.160
<v Speaker 6>There's no one who makes me believe.

1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:53.599
<v Speaker 5>Everything she's singing like Shante does, like when she's feeling pain.

1:18:53.960 --> 1:18:59.360
<v Speaker 5>I feel that when she's back in her earlier days

1:18:59.360 --> 1:19:01.920
<v Speaker 5>when she was trying to be romantic with somebody else,

1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:05.120
<v Speaker 5>like I like, I feel that, like I feel that

1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:10.880
<v Speaker 5>in the way she can manipulate her voice. And then

1:19:10.880 --> 1:19:13.759
<v Speaker 5>if you've ever seen her do it's all right live

1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:18.360
<v Speaker 5>like just just just it. It's Google Soul Train Awards

1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:22.040
<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty two. And what what she does with that?

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<v Speaker 5>We used to call it whistle tone. And then we

1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:29.439
<v Speaker 5>spend we spend some time in Yeah, I say, yes, Oh,

1:19:29.680 --> 1:19:31.880
<v Speaker 5>we had a conversation that we sure did.

1:19:32.200 --> 1:19:33.400
<v Speaker 1>We should strangers.

1:19:34.200 --> 1:19:37.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we would spend some time in China. Another thing

1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:38.960
<v Speaker 5>you should talk to my wife about when you have

1:19:39.000 --> 1:19:41.720
<v Speaker 5>her on the show. And we now refer to it

1:19:41.720 --> 1:19:44.479
<v Speaker 5>as the Dolphin tone. It's it's the dolphin tone. The

1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:48.599
<v Speaker 5>dolphin tone. Yes, I didn't realize yeah, yeah, and so

1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:50.320
<v Speaker 5>we call it whistle tone, but the people in China

1:19:50.360 --> 1:19:57.200
<v Speaker 5>call it a dolphin tone. And so, but that her

1:19:57.240 --> 1:20:02.479
<v Speaker 5>and her ability to really I believe the emotion. There's

1:20:02.520 --> 1:20:04.360
<v Speaker 5>no one else that does it like her.

1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:05.080
<v Speaker 3>To me.

1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:08.519
<v Speaker 5>There's people can belt and and and technically and fine,

1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:12.759
<v Speaker 5>but like it's it's she and Prince who I believe

1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:15.160
<v Speaker 5>what they're singing. I believe when they want to get

1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.599
<v Speaker 5>in bed with somebody. I believe when they're angry at somebody.

1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:24.519
<v Speaker 5>I believe when they're pleading so Chancey Moore. And it's

1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:26.639
<v Speaker 5>not just because she's my wife, it's because she's awesome

1:20:27.040 --> 1:20:31.000
<v Speaker 5>that uh, I got uput prints in there because I

1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:33.639
<v Speaker 5>think he's under He's so good at everything. He's underrated

1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:36.080
<v Speaker 5>at everything. Like he's just so good at everything. He's

1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:37.160
<v Speaker 5>an underrated guitarist.

1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Way to look at it, I feel like celebrated.

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<v Speaker 6>But but as a whole, not as individual.

1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Right, It's like we brought that up with production as

1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:48.640
<v Speaker 3>far as like when they named the greatest producers, they

1:20:48.760 --> 1:20:52.000
<v Speaker 3>never named Stevie wandar Prince. That's because they're so great

1:20:52.040 --> 1:20:54.080
<v Speaker 3>at so many things. So I agree with that.

1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:56.519
<v Speaker 1>It's like the package of them is like it is

1:20:56.640 --> 1:20:57.960
<v Speaker 1>just too much, too much.

1:20:58.880 --> 1:21:08.200
<v Speaker 5>Yes, Now, now I'm I think Chris Brown is unbelievable

1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:12.200
<v Speaker 5>and so far ahead of everyone else of this generation.

1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Now it's tough because for him, it's.

1:21:15.240 --> 1:21:17.920
<v Speaker 5>It's vocals plus the package plus what he could do

1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:22.559
<v Speaker 5>when he performs. So I take R and b artists

1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:24.280
<v Speaker 5>that that's got to be part of it, like any

1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:25.800
<v Speaker 5>anybody got to talk about has to be able to

1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:28.640
<v Speaker 5>perform except maybe one uh that I mentioned, And so

1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:33.040
<v Speaker 5>that's really a big part of it. Uh And I

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<v Speaker 5>love that. I Yeah, So I think I put I put,

1:21:37.160 --> 1:21:48.519
<v Speaker 5>I put Chris in there. Uh Uh. I'm just gonna

1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:50.280
<v Speaker 5>say it and it's not and I'm gonna change it

1:21:50.320 --> 1:21:54.080
<v Speaker 5>around because it's it's really Luthor Andros. But I want

1:21:54.080 --> 1:21:57.120
<v Speaker 5>to say George Michael just because I want to say

1:21:57.120 --> 1:21:59.479
<v Speaker 5>George Michael because I'm not sure how many people come

1:21:59.520 --> 1:22:02.880
<v Speaker 5>on the show and talk about how great George Michael

1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:04.599
<v Speaker 5>is amazing as a soul singer.

1:22:04.680 --> 1:22:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Amazing.

1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:09.040
<v Speaker 1>He is an amazing singer. Now faith.

1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:14.320
<v Speaker 5>Is what it is. There's some great work he had

1:22:14.479 --> 1:22:20.599
<v Speaker 5>on older where he's just his us technical singers would

1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:22.720
<v Speaker 5>know much butter, but his pitch and his tone is flawless.

1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:25.600
<v Speaker 6>I base a lot of this on I was fortunate.

1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:29.720
<v Speaker 5>Enough to go to his MTV Unplugged in London in

1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:36.639
<v Speaker 5>nineteen ninety seven. It was amazing. I'm gonna send you

1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:39.880
<v Speaker 5>because they only use like five songs in the show,

1:22:40.000 --> 1:22:41.160
<v Speaker 5>and he did like.

1:22:41.200 --> 1:22:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Fifteen or sixteen.

1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:48.560
<v Speaker 5>And his voice was pure the entire time. When it

1:22:48.600 --> 1:22:51.800
<v Speaker 5>started to give out, literally two hours and fifteen minutes in,

1:22:52.160 --> 1:22:53.600
<v Speaker 5>he called it. He said, my voice is about to

1:22:53.600 --> 1:22:56.559
<v Speaker 5>give up out of I've got to go. But in

1:22:56.640 --> 1:23:03.040
<v Speaker 5>terms of again a feel of of just singing vocal

1:23:03.040 --> 1:23:05.519
<v Speaker 5>ability live George Michael.

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<v Speaker 6>He's not gonna be in my top five tomorrow.

1:23:08.320 --> 1:23:11.320
<v Speaker 5>I'm doing this mostly but I want to point him

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<v Speaker 5>out as someone who probably doesn't get mentioned. And the

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<v Speaker 5>other one is I'm gonna introduce this like this. This

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<v Speaker 5>Scottie Pippen one of the fifty best basketball players of

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<v Speaker 5>all time. Okay right, literally when they came up the

1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:29.000
<v Speaker 5>top fifty basketball players of all time, Scottie Pippen.

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<v Speaker 1>Was on it.

1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:33.439
<v Speaker 5>He was on the Bulls. So he was on the

1:23:33.439 --> 1:23:37.320
<v Speaker 5>Bulls with Michael Jordan. So Scottie Pippen being one of

1:23:37.320 --> 1:23:39.160
<v Speaker 5>the top fifty. Of all, every other person in the

1:23:39.200 --> 1:23:43.960
<v Speaker 5>top fifty was the alpha male on their time, everyone

1:23:44.120 --> 1:23:49.439
<v Speaker 5>except Scottie Pippen. In every other group, Scottie Pippen would

1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:54.040
<v Speaker 5>have been y'all for male r. But he was on

1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:59.160
<v Speaker 5>a team and he was behind MJ. And this is

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<v Speaker 5>how I'm introducing to you Jermaine Jackson. Mmm, Jermae, I'm

1:24:04.920 --> 1:24:09.120
<v Speaker 5>introducing you to Jermaine Jackson. Castles of sand, My touch

1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:15.000
<v Speaker 5>of Madness. You like me, don't you? His Marvin Gay

1:24:15.439 --> 1:24:20.759
<v Speaker 5>influenced vocals, along with his bass playing at the age

1:24:20.800 --> 1:24:24.719
<v Speaker 5>of sixteen in Arenas.

1:24:25.400 --> 1:24:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Goes under noticed.

1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:34.559
<v Speaker 5>Going back to Indiana, find on YouTube or on record

1:24:34.600 --> 1:24:38.920
<v Speaker 5>and listen to the Base playing on the first they

1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:44.760
<v Speaker 5>have a live it's a stand feeling all right on

1:24:44.760 --> 1:24:46.680
<v Speaker 5>one of the one of the first three cuts. Just

1:24:46.840 --> 1:24:49.920
<v Speaker 5>listen to him take off on the base and realize

1:24:50.040 --> 1:24:53.760
<v Speaker 5>he is a sixteen year old who has no studio trickery,

1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:58.960
<v Speaker 5>who's making the base do that live and in person

1:24:59.520 --> 1:25:03.599
<v Speaker 5>while singing singing nobody else in the We don't recounting

1:25:03.600 --> 1:25:05.240
<v Speaker 5>Tito as a vocalist, right, we not? We just we

1:25:05.280 --> 1:25:09.080
<v Speaker 5>were good. We love the Tito. We wouldn't have the

1:25:09.160 --> 1:25:13.400
<v Speaker 5>Jackson five without Tito. But my point is Jermaine had

1:25:13.439 --> 1:25:16.559
<v Speaker 5>to sing and play at the same time and nail

1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:19.799
<v Speaker 5>them both as a sixteen year old, and his voice

1:25:19.960 --> 1:25:24.000
<v Speaker 5>only got better as he got older. On any other

1:25:24.080 --> 1:25:26.400
<v Speaker 5>team except the Jackson five, he is the alpha male.

1:25:26.640 --> 1:25:27.519
<v Speaker 5>He is behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>J got you. I like the way you frame that.

1:25:30.520 --> 1:25:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I love it right there.

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<v Speaker 3>That was because I got a couple of guys like that.

1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, you got Jojo from jo Tosy. Yeah, he

1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:43.920
<v Speaker 3>got from voice to man as yes you giving me

1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:46.080
<v Speaker 3>a yes yes.

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<v Speaker 5>And I have to say I because I have to

1:25:47.920 --> 1:25:52.720
<v Speaker 5>say out loud Luther Vanros uh uh r, Kelly, Earth

1:25:52.760 --> 1:25:57.200
<v Speaker 5>Wind and Fire. Uh uh wait wait wait wait uh.

1:25:56.840 --> 1:25:59.160
<v Speaker 3>You can't with the top of the top Okay you yeah, talking.

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<v Speaker 5>About I want, I want, I want, say George Michael

1:26:00.720 --> 1:26:03.320
<v Speaker 5>and because you want people to think about like voices

1:26:03.400 --> 1:26:05.880
<v Speaker 5>that that don't usually get mentioned up there, and they

1:26:05.880 --> 1:26:09.120
<v Speaker 5>may not be your top five, but like they they

1:26:09.160 --> 1:26:13.640
<v Speaker 5>brought it in a way that yeah, that that that

1:26:13.760 --> 1:26:15.840
<v Speaker 5>that I just want I want to shout out.

1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:17.240
<v Speaker 3>I want to shout out, want to.

1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>S Stephen Hill your top five R and B songs.

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<v Speaker 5>Adore by Prince.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not just kick it off that song?

1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:36.800
<v Speaker 6>That song song turns uh what he what do you?

1:26:36.960 --> 1:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>What? Do you?

1:26:37.280 --> 1:26:37.360
<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>He six?

1:26:37.720 --> 1:26:39.559
<v Speaker 6>This year thirty six, thirty six. This year it turns

1:26:39.560 --> 1:26:40.400
<v Speaker 6>thirty six this year.

1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:45.519
<v Speaker 5>I still hear new things in that song every time

1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:49.080
<v Speaker 5>I listen what a song it's? It's to your point

1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:53.160
<v Speaker 5>about as a producer, like there's there's things buried, and

1:26:53.200 --> 1:26:58.840
<v Speaker 5>I swear like there's a way he produced it, Like Okay,

1:26:58.960 --> 1:27:01.280
<v Speaker 5>it's time release. So you're not going to hear this

1:27:01.360 --> 1:27:03.560
<v Speaker 5>in the year nineteen eighty seven. You're not going to

1:27:03.640 --> 1:27:05.519
<v Speaker 5>hear this into the year two thousand and three. It's

1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:07.479
<v Speaker 5>not going to pop up in the groove into two

1:27:07.560 --> 1:27:11.479
<v Speaker 5>thousand and three, right, okay, okay, And then this was

1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:13.400
<v Speaker 5>not gonna pop up until twenty twenty.

1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Seven, because you don't even know what it is until

1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:18.160
<v Speaker 2>you've evolved enough to be able to hear.

1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:20.880
<v Speaker 5>I think that way we're putting it, it's a great

1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:21.439
<v Speaker 5>way of putting it.

1:27:21.560 --> 1:27:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Like some of these guys, like you're talking about Prince,

1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>he was completely ahead of his time on everything. Everything

1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:32.599
<v Speaker 2>He set standards, yes, yes, and then a lot of

1:27:32.640 --> 1:27:35.120
<v Speaker 2>them can't be replicated.

1:27:36.000 --> 1:27:39.160
<v Speaker 1>That's true. That's true at all at all.

1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:42.200
<v Speaker 5>He couldn't even recommend it like replicated, but he tried

1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:44.120
<v Speaker 5>to with the whole nineteen ninety nine thing. He tried to.

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<v Speaker 1>But for that time.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I had to limit myself to I made

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<v Speaker 5>sure I limited myself to one Prince record or else.

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<v Speaker 1>Just ist.

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<v Speaker 5>Anytime, any place, m come on anytime any place is

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<v Speaker 5>just it feels it just it you.

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<v Speaker 3>Start moving and not even know that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, all the way through the sound the sounds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we're still in Mina. That's what I said.

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<v Speaker 1>We still We're still in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, so and I got it. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 5>had two jam and Lewis's until just now. On bended me,

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<v Speaker 5>ah On, bended on, bended me. I'm a sucker for

1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:40.800
<v Speaker 5>a modulation. We know this.

1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:43.720
<v Speaker 6>I'm a I'm a sucker for a modulation.

1:28:44.800 --> 1:28:48.240
<v Speaker 5>And I just think that that song is so it's

1:28:48.280 --> 1:28:51.280
<v Speaker 5>just so well crafted. The little vamp at the end,

1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:57.640
<v Speaker 5>the harmonies. Uh, I just love I just love love that.

1:28:57.880 --> 1:29:09.519
<v Speaker 1>It's it's verse B section hook. They're all separate parts. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not the same. They're not the same. They are

1:29:12.080 --> 1:29:18.000
<v Speaker 5>not the same. We talked about what we talked about

1:29:18.000 --> 1:29:20.840
<v Speaker 5>one Late in my Life again as a as A

1:29:20.840 --> 1:29:25.120
<v Speaker 5>as A as a Jackson fan, and for me, Jackson

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<v Speaker 5>five were on the same leg is on the same

1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:30.639
<v Speaker 5>level as Michael Jackson. I loved the Jackson five. But again,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that was his last that was his last

1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:35.519
<v Speaker 5>soul song. That was a last one. That's last one

1:29:36.000 --> 1:29:39.479
<v Speaker 5>where you believed he wasn't in this. I mean he

1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:42.440
<v Speaker 5>was crooning at the end, like, I just love the breakdown.

1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:48.040
<v Speaker 5>It's funny. One of the shows I worked on the

1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:51.880
<v Speaker 5>Billboard Awards a while ago, celebrating the fortieth anniversary of Thriller.

1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:53.760
<v Speaker 5>We had Maxwell do it. We had Maxwell do it

1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:56.400
<v Speaker 5>and Maxwell did the whole physical, physical breakdown.

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<v Speaker 1>In my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, where did you were not alone? Is that not

1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:04.080
<v Speaker 3>an R and B?

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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, like I don't, I mean it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>In the end, like he really he getting to it

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<v Speaker 3>at the end too.

1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm just asking he's getting.

1:30:14.840 --> 1:30:16.920
<v Speaker 3>It's not about it being Lady in my Life. I

1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:18.680
<v Speaker 3>get that part. But I'm saying as far as the

1:30:18.760 --> 1:30:20.720
<v Speaker 3>soul in that record for him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like my just crying out, He's crying out, He's

1:30:24.920 --> 1:30:29.679
<v Speaker 5>crying out. The song structured the song with its imitation,

1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:30.559
<v Speaker 5>doesn't It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the soul. That's what it is, delivery the soul.

1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:38.920
<v Speaker 5>And then I feel comfortable saying this because you've you've

1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:40.160
<v Speaker 5>heard you've heard it.

1:30:40.240 --> 1:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Know what it is, the live version of Chantey Morris.

1:30:43.960 --> 1:30:44.519
<v Speaker 1>It's all right.

1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:52.840
<v Speaker 5>I have heard it a hundred times.

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<v Speaker 1>Good about yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, As a side note, and when we come up

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<v Speaker 5>we are on the way, I was nervous and I

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<v Speaker 5>tell my wife I was nervous, and her pep talk

1:31:07.120 --> 1:31:08.960
<v Speaker 5>was to me. It was like, don't worry about it,

1:31:09.080 --> 1:31:10.800
<v Speaker 5>just be comfortable. You're one of the corniest guys that

1:31:10.840 --> 1:31:12.720
<v Speaker 5>we know. So that was that was That was the

1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:13.479
<v Speaker 5>pep talk. That was.

1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>The pep talk.

1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:19.880
<v Speaker 5>So because because I say that, because I did that

1:31:19.920 --> 1:31:22.120
<v Speaker 5>so I could have time to get I've heard it

1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:25.120
<v Speaker 5>a hundred times and every single time, and it's not

1:31:25.240 --> 1:31:28.000
<v Speaker 5>just the dolphin tone at the end, it is it

1:31:28.120 --> 1:31:31.080
<v Speaker 5>is what that's And another thing, it's it's what that

1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:35.720
<v Speaker 5>song means and how it sounds different every time, and

1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:38.240
<v Speaker 5>how she how it's just to feel it's not.

1:31:40.080 --> 1:31:41.360
<v Speaker 3>And I can find it. It is.

1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>It's new.

1:31:42.439 --> 1:31:48.519
<v Speaker 5>It feels new every every time. And so uh, I

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<v Speaker 5>like the recorded version, but it wouldn't make my top five.

1:31:51.400 --> 1:31:53.559
<v Speaker 5>Live version makes my top five live version makes my

1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:54.000
<v Speaker 5>top five.

1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Yeah, that was yeah, I felt that

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<v Speaker 1>one's the Corneus guy. We know I love man.

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<v Speaker 2>You're all right, mister, yes, sir man many wonders. Let's

1:32:25.439 --> 1:32:27.320
<v Speaker 2>make a vulturon. You're a super r and b artists.

1:32:27.800 --> 1:32:29.680
<v Speaker 2>We want to know where you're going to get the

1:32:29.760 --> 1:32:33.480
<v Speaker 2>vocal from the performance style, the styling of the artists.

1:32:33.320 --> 1:32:36.800
<v Speaker 6>Oh passion, they're different people.

1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:41.080
<v Speaker 2>They are all different people to make one great yeah. Yeah,

1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:44.200
<v Speaker 2>So who you're going to get the vocal from? One

1:32:44.280 --> 1:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>vocal for your super r and b artists.

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<v Speaker 5>I am going back to my tweet of two Thy eleven.

1:32:52.479 --> 1:32:56.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm going with my wife, my wife, my wife. Yeah, Like,

1:32:56.479 --> 1:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that's on record.

1:32:58.080 --> 1:32:58.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad.

1:32:58.720 --> 1:33:01.559
<v Speaker 5>I showed that to her early relationship, so she did

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<v Speaker 5>not think I was fronting.

1:33:03.280 --> 1:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I was.

1:33:03.960 --> 1:33:07.120
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, like, I'm going to her because I'm going

1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:11.760
<v Speaker 5>to need emotion. I'm going to want a I think

1:33:11.800 --> 1:33:15.240
<v Speaker 5>Freddie Mercury did a brilliant job on Bohemian Rhapsody of

1:33:15.320 --> 1:33:17.400
<v Speaker 5>taking us up and down and all the way through

1:33:17.640 --> 1:33:20.880
<v Speaker 5>so many I think, I think too many places. Absolutely

1:33:20.960 --> 1:33:23.200
<v Speaker 5>in one song five minutes fifty five seconds. If I'm

1:33:23.200 --> 1:33:26.160
<v Speaker 5>not mistaken, that's what that song was. I believe my

1:33:26.200 --> 1:33:27.920
<v Speaker 5>wife could do the same thing if given the task.

1:33:30.120 --> 1:33:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Soote voice voice Johntey Moore performance style on stage.

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<v Speaker 5>That one's tough. That one's tough because I love energy

1:33:45.560 --> 1:33:49.400
<v Speaker 5>and I'm taking I'm taking nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety prints,

1:33:49.880 --> 1:33:53.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm taking new I'm taking Nude Tour prints, Nude Nude Tour.

1:33:54.120 --> 1:34:01.559
<v Speaker 5>Prince was athletic, was he was? Yeah, nineteen ninety New Tour,

1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:04.679
<v Speaker 5>the long the long hair, you had, the long hair.

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<v Speaker 5>The tour never came to the States, but it was,

1:34:07.479 --> 1:34:08.880
<v Speaker 5>I mean he was. You can look it up, you

1:34:08.880 --> 1:34:10.559
<v Speaker 5>can say it online, you can sit it online. So

1:34:10.600 --> 1:34:13.880
<v Speaker 5>that nineteen ninety Prince performance style. And it was hard.

1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:14.360
<v Speaker 1>It's hard.

1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:18.800
<v Speaker 6>It was hard not to take Michael Jackson Victory Tour.

1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>It was hard.

1:34:19.920 --> 1:34:22.040
<v Speaker 5>It was hard not taking that one. But overall, I

1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:23.160
<v Speaker 5>gotta take nineteen ninety.

1:34:22.920 --> 1:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Prints, okay, Chante Moore, Prince, the styling of the artists,

1:34:29.320 --> 1:34:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the drip, the presentation, kink.

1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:44.760
<v Speaker 5>M h that one okay, because I am not a

1:34:44.800 --> 1:34:50.800
<v Speaker 5>man of sartorial splendor. I don't dress that good, so

1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:56.200
<v Speaker 5>I don't really it really? Is it a thing I

1:34:56.240 --> 1:34:58.880
<v Speaker 5>gotta go with? In nineteen oh, I didn't pick I

1:34:58.920 --> 1:35:01.719
<v Speaker 5>know cause I picked prin I don't feel bad nineteen

1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:04.680
<v Speaker 5>seventy one. Jackson five, Easy good, I'm good nineteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 5>Jackson five, Yes, loved it, Love loved. They were the

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<v Speaker 5>first group who understood they didn't have to have uniforms

1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:17.599
<v Speaker 5>on to be dope. They were the first real singing

1:35:17.640 --> 1:35:21.600
<v Speaker 5>group who weren't wearing matching suits matching. They were individual

1:35:21.640 --> 1:35:23.320
<v Speaker 5>They allowed themselves to be individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson five were first. I don't know that. The history

1:35:27.479 --> 1:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah yeah, and the passion of the artists, the

1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:50.360
<v Speaker 1>heart of the artists who who what you mean?

1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:51.080
<v Speaker 3>It mean it?

1:35:51.280 --> 1:35:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay? Okay?

1:35:52.280 --> 1:35:54.080
<v Speaker 5>So I since I mentioned my wife already and I

1:35:54.120 --> 1:35:56.519
<v Speaker 5>mentioned that's exactly the thing that she does, and I

1:35:56.560 --> 1:35:58.439
<v Speaker 5>mentioned that about Prince, I kind of want to I

1:35:58.720 --> 1:36:00.960
<v Speaker 5>kind of want to go with someone else and challenge

1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:02.439
<v Speaker 5>myself to go with someone else on that.

1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Bruno Mars, Bruno Mars.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel comfortable that, I feel good, Yeah, I feel

1:36:07.640 --> 1:36:08.000
<v Speaker 3>good with that.

1:36:08.560 --> 1:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>With that, I feel good with that. I feel I

1:36:09.960 --> 1:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>feel great about that. Actually, I'm extremely gonne.

1:36:12.720 --> 1:36:15.360
<v Speaker 5>My favorite, my favorite, my favorite former to come to

1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:17.839
<v Speaker 5>prominence in the twenty first century is Bruno.

1:36:19.920 --> 1:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I liked him, I liked him on radio, and then

1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:27.280
<v Speaker 2>you say I became a fan of him live.

1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:29.200
<v Speaker 1>That's it I mean when I say that, I mean love.

1:36:29.240 --> 1:36:29.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean love.

1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm always so. He delivers on record, for sure, no

1:36:32.960 --> 1:36:33.599
<v Speaker 1>doubt about it.

1:36:33.880 --> 1:36:35.840
<v Speaker 3>You're supposed to love the artist more after you get

1:36:35.880 --> 1:36:36.599
<v Speaker 3>to see him, yes.

1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Live, Yes, I said, Oh he's him.

1:36:40.200 --> 1:36:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's a guy.

1:36:41.120 --> 1:36:43.559
<v Speaker 5>He does that thing that I love when artists do.

1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:47.719
<v Speaker 5>They put the bangers that will never be played on radio,

1:36:47.760 --> 1:36:50.360
<v Speaker 5>but are so soulful as the very last song on

1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:54.600
<v Speaker 5>the record. You can go back, you can check the

1:36:54.720 --> 1:36:57.800
<v Speaker 5>very last song on the record. I Cat Gorilla, Uh,

1:36:59.560 --> 1:37:01.840
<v Speaker 5>the one, the one he wrote with Babyface is on

1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:04.400
<v Speaker 5>Uh is on the one, there's on twenty four Carrot

1:37:05.200 --> 1:37:08.679
<v Speaker 5>and then blast off on on on Silk Sonic.

1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:12.880
<v Speaker 6>His last songs of every album are just.

1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:14.240
<v Speaker 3>What he chooses.

1:37:14.280 --> 1:37:16.240
<v Speaker 6>His last song is done on purpose.

1:37:16.920 --> 1:37:18.000
<v Speaker 3>You're like, I'm gonna be black at.

1:37:23.000 --> 1:37:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Show.

1:37:23.280 --> 1:37:28.559
<v Speaker 2>You are really show you what I really did? Well,

1:37:28.600 --> 1:37:29.880
<v Speaker 2>You're you're an Almanack.

1:37:32.120 --> 1:37:32.559
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

1:37:32.640 --> 1:37:35.599
<v Speaker 5>I love this stuff. I love this stuff. I appreciate you.

1:37:35.720 --> 1:37:39.600
<v Speaker 5>I appreciate I appreciate it. I just do appreciate it.

1:37:39.640 --> 1:37:41.719
<v Speaker 3>So we at the very very important part of the show,

1:37:41.720 --> 1:37:44.880
<v Speaker 3>and what's that? Will you tell us the story funny

1:37:44.920 --> 1:37:48.719
<v Speaker 3>or fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? The only

1:37:48.800 --> 1:37:51.000
<v Speaker 3>route to this game is you can't say no name.

1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:54.400
<v Speaker 3>I can't say any name. That's the name. You can't

1:37:54.400 --> 1:37:55.160
<v Speaker 3>say no names.

1:37:56.520 --> 1:37:59.679
<v Speaker 5>I'm kind of looking for a nod baby, you're looking

1:37:59.720 --> 1:38:04.040
<v Speaker 5>for Okay, no names. The thing is no names. So

1:38:05.479 --> 1:38:07.479
<v Speaker 5>I was I'm not gonna say the name of the show.

1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:08.840
<v Speaker 5>I feel better if I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't.

1:38:09.120 --> 1:38:12.960
<v Speaker 5>Okay, there was a show. There was a show that

1:38:14.400 --> 1:38:21.240
<v Speaker 5>myself and and other people were working on. We were

1:38:21.280 --> 1:38:24.120
<v Speaker 5>celebrating an accomplishment. I can't use any names. It's good.

1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:28.200
<v Speaker 5>We celebrating an accomplishment of an artist. And they had

1:38:28.200 --> 1:38:32.639
<v Speaker 5>a milestone number to their album. We wanted this artist

1:38:32.840 --> 1:38:37.200
<v Speaker 5>for it, and we questioned it and we thought about

1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:43.720
<v Speaker 5>it and we're like, let's go, and so to do this.

1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:46.400
<v Speaker 5>I was not an MTV. I wasn't a bet at

1:38:46.439 --> 1:38:48.640
<v Speaker 5>the time. So I was with a company, and we

1:38:48.680 --> 1:38:53.160
<v Speaker 5>had to get a network approval. And we'll say that

1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:56.720
<v Speaker 5>there are two people who were with, two people who

1:38:56.800 --> 1:38:59.120
<v Speaker 5>worked with directly, and two people.

1:38:58.920 --> 1:39:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Who were in the clouds, like the head of everything to.

1:39:02.439 --> 1:39:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Be work with.

1:39:03.760 --> 1:39:05.640
<v Speaker 5>So we go to two people we work with and

1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:07.840
<v Speaker 5>go like, we would like to have this this uh,

1:39:09.520 --> 1:39:14.800
<v Speaker 5>this person do this thing for this artist and they're like, uh,

1:39:16.280 --> 1:39:19.360
<v Speaker 5>the person's a male. It would be awesome if we

1:39:19.400 --> 1:39:23.639
<v Speaker 5>could find some female talent to also do this thing.

1:39:25.160 --> 1:39:28.800
<v Speaker 5>But that made sense every with everything there was in

1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:32.040
<v Speaker 5>the atmosphere, that made perfect sense. So we go to

1:39:32.120 --> 1:39:34.320
<v Speaker 5>the artists and go like, can you find female talent?

1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:39.679
<v Speaker 5>And this person found amazing female talent to be part

1:39:39.680 --> 1:39:45.439
<v Speaker 5>of this, to be part of this, and so we're excited.

1:39:46.040 --> 1:39:50.599
<v Speaker 5>Go back to our two people of the network. They're excited,

1:39:50.880 --> 1:39:55.360
<v Speaker 5>Oh this will work, this will this will absolutely work.

1:39:56.320 --> 1:39:58.719
<v Speaker 6>We go back, You're in. It's going to be great.

1:40:00.040 --> 1:40:05.280
<v Speaker 5>This artist gets to work right away because this artist

1:40:05.360 --> 1:40:11.480
<v Speaker 5>understands gets to work right away and is really ensconsin

1:40:11.560 --> 1:40:15.800
<v Speaker 5>and really has every brings every for rehearsals and makes

1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:21.040
<v Speaker 5>videos of the progress and sends them sends them to us,

1:40:21.040 --> 1:40:25.320
<v Speaker 5>and we're blown away. M right, and we show them

1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:33.200
<v Speaker 5>to the little and all great the uh, the two

1:40:33.200 --> 1:40:39.719
<v Speaker 5>people here didn't tell the two people here, uh what

1:40:40.040 --> 1:40:42.200
<v Speaker 5>like what the what the plan was and who who

1:40:42.320 --> 1:40:45.479
<v Speaker 5>was going to do it and was and and for

1:40:45.560 --> 1:40:49.520
<v Speaker 5>whatever reason that the two people uh in the stratosphere

1:40:49.920 --> 1:40:51.240
<v Speaker 5>uh did not like.

1:40:54.000 --> 1:40:55.120
<v Speaker 1>What was going to go down.

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<v Speaker 5>And after lots of back and forth, as an aside,

1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:08.600
<v Speaker 5>I admit I was used to bt I got to

1:41:08.600 --> 1:41:11.200
<v Speaker 5>be the final word, like when it came to the orgin,

1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:13.879
<v Speaker 5>I got to be the final word. So I'm I'm kind.

1:41:13.640 --> 1:41:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Of used to that, thinking it is about to go

1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:15.960
<v Speaker 3>that way.

1:41:15.920 --> 1:41:19.200
<v Speaker 5>Right, especially since we got network sign off. So but

1:41:19.240 --> 1:41:22.800
<v Speaker 5>one of the things I had the final word, enters

1:41:22.840 --> 1:41:25.439
<v Speaker 5>into the next conversation cause I'm like, well, there's no

1:41:25.479 --> 1:41:27.080
<v Speaker 5>way we just got to convince that's going to happen

1:41:27.120 --> 1:41:29.519
<v Speaker 5>because we get to do this, and that's not the

1:41:29.560 --> 1:41:34.439
<v Speaker 5>way it worked with the structure, And so we had

1:41:34.439 --> 1:41:41.960
<v Speaker 5>to pull the offer from that artist, and three months

1:41:42.040 --> 1:41:45.120
<v Speaker 5>later I wasn't working at that place anymore, and that

1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:48.480
<v Speaker 5>was fine. But what I've articulated to you is literally,

1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:51.479
<v Speaker 5>of all of the experiences I've ever had in my career,

1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:56.280
<v Speaker 5>the one I am most sad about the one I

1:41:56.320 --> 1:42:01.760
<v Speaker 5>am most apologetic to that artist about not everything is

1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:05.320
<v Speaker 5>not everything is perfect. But what I've always what I've

1:42:05.320 --> 1:42:08.120
<v Speaker 5>always said, no matter who you represent, you can give

1:42:08.160 --> 1:42:11.679
<v Speaker 5>me a yes, you can give me a no. Don't

1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:14.800
<v Speaker 5>give me a yes and turn it into a no. Right,

1:42:14.840 --> 1:42:17.800
<v Speaker 5>I've got to be able to depend on these read

1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:20.840
<v Speaker 5>these representatives have done the thing they're supposed.

1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:22.200
<v Speaker 1>To do before we go to artists.

1:42:22.200 --> 1:42:24.760
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, And I'm like, I didn't mention any names, right,

1:42:25.280 --> 1:42:27.679
<v Speaker 5>but if you want to see a really good tribute

1:42:27.840 --> 1:42:31.840
<v Speaker 5>to an iconic artist, look that thing up on YouTube

1:42:31.880 --> 1:42:37.160
<v Speaker 5>because it is there. And an epilogue was people saying

1:42:37.200 --> 1:42:38.680
<v Speaker 5>we were trying to say no, they didn't tell us.

1:42:38.720 --> 1:42:40.200
<v Speaker 3>We didn't know, and they didn't know.

1:42:40.640 --> 1:42:42.880
<v Speaker 5>And finally we had to go, like, you see the

1:42:42.920 --> 1:42:44.559
<v Speaker 5>amount of work that was put into this video.

1:42:45.200 --> 1:42:47.400
<v Speaker 6>Do you think that just happened after a day.

1:42:47.760 --> 1:42:50.120
<v Speaker 5>Don't you think we had had the yes for a

1:42:50.160 --> 1:42:52.680
<v Speaker 5>while for this amount of work to go in it?

1:42:53.200 --> 1:42:53.479
<v Speaker 1>Yep?

1:42:53.640 --> 1:42:58.400
<v Speaker 6>And the response was a very very eloquent, articulate.

1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:03.679
<v Speaker 3>Mhm. It is my least favorite time of my entire career.

1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>It was. It was I think it's horrible.

1:43:06.400 --> 1:43:09.679
<v Speaker 5>I By the way, I haven't seen that artist since,

1:43:10.080 --> 1:43:12.240
<v Speaker 5>and I hope I do one day because I want

1:43:12.280 --> 1:43:13.280
<v Speaker 5>to apologize.

1:43:13.360 --> 1:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>And I know because I know that artist was was.

1:43:15.520 --> 1:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>It was a my.

1:43:16.800 --> 1:43:19.719
<v Speaker 5>Favorite moment because now I got I gotta turned around,

1:43:19.880 --> 1:43:21.600
<v Speaker 5>because that was that that that got me in a

1:43:21.600 --> 1:43:26.320
<v Speaker 5>place I don't like to go. Watching Prince take over

1:43:27.160 --> 1:43:32.080
<v Speaker 5>a band. As we were celebrating Shaka Khan with Prince,

1:43:32.520 --> 1:43:37.519
<v Speaker 5>Yolanda Adams, Stevie Wonder and India are on stage. That

1:43:38.320 --> 1:43:42.080
<v Speaker 5>was a tribute and we're we're so we we booked

1:43:42.080 --> 1:43:46.320
<v Speaker 5>them all and we're out out at uh sound stage.

1:43:46.360 --> 1:43:49.000
<v Speaker 1>It's called sound stage near the airport. Airport.

1:43:49.520 --> 1:43:53.080
<v Speaker 5>We're out of sound stage and the music director because

1:43:53.120 --> 1:43:55.639
<v Speaker 5>it's not Prince's band, it's the band that we had.

1:43:55.479 --> 1:43:59.280
<v Speaker 1>For the show. The Prince walks in and he listened.

1:44:00.360 --> 1:44:04.080
<v Speaker 5>Prince has that moment when he expresses exactly how he

1:44:04.120 --> 1:44:04.599
<v Speaker 5>feels on.

1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:07.519
<v Speaker 6>His face and then he fixes it right. That's you

1:44:07.520 --> 1:44:08.120
<v Speaker 6>can see that.

1:44:08.479 --> 1:44:10.240
<v Speaker 5>You can see that a lot of plays, there's a

1:44:10.280 --> 1:44:11.520
<v Speaker 5>lot of memes of him.

1:44:11.800 --> 1:44:15.120
<v Speaker 6>The mic is own. Yeah, you know all these so

1:44:15.240 --> 1:44:15.840
<v Speaker 6>there was that moment.

1:44:15.920 --> 1:44:19.000
<v Speaker 5>You see it, and then he couldn't have been kinder

1:44:19.000 --> 1:44:20.640
<v Speaker 5>He went to the music record and said, do you

1:44:20.680 --> 1:44:22.479
<v Speaker 5>mind if I talked to the musicians about how we

1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:28.760
<v Speaker 5>approached this, and watching Prince go to every instrument and

1:44:28.800 --> 1:44:32.040
<v Speaker 5>being really like, he's freaking Prince, So every instrumentalist it

1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:35.240
<v Speaker 5>was like I'm being talked to by Prince. And Prince

1:44:35.240 --> 1:44:37.200
<v Speaker 5>could have gone anyway, but he could not have been

1:44:37.320 --> 1:44:41.280
<v Speaker 5>kinder and more gentle about what about trying this approach?

1:44:41.560 --> 1:44:43.479
<v Speaker 1>We try what if we try this approach? Oh? What

1:44:43.520 --> 1:44:43.760
<v Speaker 1>if this?

1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:47.720
<v Speaker 5>We do this segue? And to watch him do that

1:44:48.680 --> 1:44:51.000
<v Speaker 5>was masterful and then the results you can just watch

1:44:51.040 --> 1:44:52.400
<v Speaker 5>it up. I think it was two thousand and six

1:44:52.520 --> 1:44:56.720
<v Speaker 5>Chaka Khan tribute and he's having a blast. He had

1:44:56.720 --> 1:44:58.480
<v Speaker 5>a he had a blast.

1:44:58.080 --> 1:44:58.639
<v Speaker 1>On the guitar.

1:44:58.840 --> 1:45:03.040
<v Speaker 5>He didn't he sang background. I think his favorite, his

1:45:03.040 --> 1:45:05.599
<v Speaker 5>favorite I was singing tell Man, tell him and tell

1:45:05.680 --> 1:45:10.120
<v Speaker 5>me So that that was that was it was. It

1:45:10.160 --> 1:45:11.800
<v Speaker 5>was anytime I got to work with Prince. It was

1:45:11.880 --> 1:45:14.720
<v Speaker 5>just it was just time I got into work with princes.

1:45:15.640 --> 1:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Save Prince.

1:45:16.520 --> 1:45:18.920
<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry I mention that, and I mentioned that stay

1:45:18.920 --> 1:45:21.439
<v Speaker 5>with friends with Prince, But you weren't there, were you?

1:45:21.960 --> 1:45:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

1:45:22.640 --> 1:45:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Save you friends?

1:45:25.960 --> 1:45:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh time to go.

1:45:28.680 --> 1:45:30.479
<v Speaker 6>I've taken up to I've taken up far too much

1:45:30.520 --> 1:45:33.360
<v Speaker 6>of your time. What he used to make fun of

1:45:33.360 --> 1:45:34.280
<v Speaker 6>me because I like, like I would.

1:45:34.320 --> 1:45:35.880
<v Speaker 5>I was the guys, you know, I'm at the content,

1:45:35.960 --> 1:45:38.040
<v Speaker 5>I'm at the guy in the concert and I'm screaming

1:45:38.040 --> 1:45:39.960
<v Speaker 5>on the lungs out I'm dancing, and I don't care

1:45:39.960 --> 1:45:42.040
<v Speaker 5>if I'm an executive like that.

1:45:42.640 --> 1:45:43.800
<v Speaker 6>I feel comfortable saying.

1:45:45.080 --> 1:45:49.000
<v Speaker 5>He's an executive you've ever experienced who acts at a concert

1:45:49.040 --> 1:45:49.400
<v Speaker 5>like I do?

1:45:49.800 --> 1:45:50.559
<v Speaker 1>I feel comfortable.

1:45:50.560 --> 1:45:51.439
<v Speaker 3>I feel comfortable saying.

1:45:52.000 --> 1:45:53.360
<v Speaker 5>And so I would do it at a Prince concert

1:45:53.439 --> 1:45:55.920
<v Speaker 5>and I and I loved seeing Prince, and so it

1:45:55.960 --> 1:45:57.840
<v Speaker 5>was this kind of way of making fun of me.

1:45:57.960 --> 1:45:59.559
<v Speaker 5>He'd bring me up when he brought people on stays

1:45:59.560 --> 1:46:02.400
<v Speaker 5>to dance, bring me on stage to dance. But this

1:46:02.520 --> 1:46:05.240
<v Speaker 5>one time, Uh, he had one of those parties in

1:46:05.320 --> 1:46:07.719
<v Speaker 5>his house, in his living room, and the band's playing

1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:11.120
<v Speaker 5>here and they're here, and uh, I forget the woman

1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:12.200
<v Speaker 5>who was the singer at the time.

1:46:14.320 --> 1:46:14.840
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't.

1:46:14.960 --> 1:46:17.280
<v Speaker 5>I don't forget uh Tamar Tamar.

1:46:17.920 --> 1:46:18.080
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:46:18.120 --> 1:46:20.559
<v Speaker 5>And we didn't know each other. Time said who knows

1:46:20.560 --> 1:46:23.120
<v Speaker 5>who knows play that funky music? And so I put

1:46:23.120 --> 1:46:25.519
<v Speaker 5>my hand up and I come on stage. I come,

1:46:25.640 --> 1:46:27.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, it's not stage like you step over the

1:46:27.280 --> 1:46:32.840
<v Speaker 5>monitor and you're right there, and and she goes, what's

1:46:32.840 --> 1:46:33.240
<v Speaker 5>your name?

1:46:33.320 --> 1:46:34.519
<v Speaker 3>I said, my name is Stephen Hill.

1:46:34.680 --> 1:46:38.519
<v Speaker 5>And so Prince is on his on on stage stage right,

1:46:39.160 --> 1:46:42.200
<v Speaker 5>just playing guitar like do love, and Stephen Hill was like,

1:46:42.800 --> 1:46:51.559
<v Speaker 5>Stephen Hill, Oh, this is gonna be fun, and so

1:46:51.760 --> 1:46:54.080
<v Speaker 5>they kick into it. I sing the first verse of

1:46:54.840 --> 1:46:57.880
<v Speaker 5>I'll play that funky music. It was like playing in

1:46:57.920 --> 1:46:59.880
<v Speaker 5>the rock and roll band, no problems rolling down in

1:46:59.880 --> 1:47:00.960
<v Speaker 5>the I stay and so I do.

1:47:01.080 --> 1:47:04.240
<v Speaker 1>I do it. I'm dancing and singing and they're playing

1:47:04.240 --> 1:47:05.360
<v Speaker 1>along and I'm having a great time.

1:47:05.360 --> 1:47:07.720
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, okay, I think this one vodka making

1:47:07.760 --> 1:47:08.559
<v Speaker 3>me sound good.

1:47:10.240 --> 1:47:13.120
<v Speaker 11>Playing that music, white boy playing me And so you

1:47:13.200 --> 1:47:16.040
<v Speaker 11>played it funk music till you die, till you die,

1:47:16.439 --> 1:47:19.799
<v Speaker 11>And something made me turn to my right and so go, Prince,

1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:21.800
<v Speaker 11>why don't you playing one of those funk guitar solos

1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:22.479
<v Speaker 11>for me right now?

1:47:24.280 --> 1:47:31.000
<v Speaker 6>She looks at me, stumps.

1:47:28.320 --> 1:47:29.880
<v Speaker 7>The pedal on and gives one of those of like

1:47:30.680 --> 1:47:36.560
<v Speaker 7>and then and then rips off and goes and goes bananas,

1:47:38.600 --> 1:47:39.160
<v Speaker 7>and I walk.

1:47:39.040 --> 1:47:39.679
<v Speaker 1>Off the stage.

1:47:40.040 --> 1:47:42.120
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not going to your band with you.

1:47:43.760 --> 1:47:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is fucking great, bro.

1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:55.519
<v Speaker 5>I walk I walked off the stage because it's never

1:47:55.600 --> 1:47:56.479
<v Speaker 5>going to get better than that.

1:47:56.800 --> 1:47:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Never. And then it got better than that. That was

1:47:59.280 --> 1:48:04.360
<v Speaker 3>your bit though, and then but then it got better than.

1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:08.840
<v Speaker 5>That because he had After that he finished performing, I

1:48:08.880 --> 1:48:10.840
<v Speaker 5>go sit on side, and I'm sitting on side with

1:48:10.920 --> 1:48:14.840
<v Speaker 5>like all of my peers at BT at the time,

1:48:15.120 --> 1:48:16.880
<v Speaker 5>and most of them were out there because they didn't

1:48:16.880 --> 1:48:18.439
<v Speaker 5>really care about the music. There was only a couple

1:48:18.479 --> 1:48:20.519
<v Speaker 5>of in there. They didn't really see it. And I

1:48:20.560 --> 1:48:22.519
<v Speaker 5>was telling you about it, and like someone are like, yeah, whatever.

1:48:23.120 --> 1:48:25.880
<v Speaker 5>Prince walks out, walks by and said, get you gear.

1:48:25.920 --> 1:48:31.000
<v Speaker 5>You gotta be in the tour bus pretty soon. Keeps walking.

1:48:32.360 --> 1:48:32.679
<v Speaker 3>Is great.

1:48:34.240 --> 1:48:36.280
<v Speaker 1>One more story, enough, cook.

1:48:38.479 --> 1:48:41.280
<v Speaker 3>More sorry, one more.

1:48:41.160 --> 1:48:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Story and now I promise you'll stop it. I'll stop

1:48:43.040 --> 1:48:44.320
<v Speaker 1>at this good story. Uh.

1:48:44.320 --> 1:48:46.160
<v Speaker 5>He was doing twenty one nights in London. I'll make it, really,

1:48:46.320 --> 1:48:48.639
<v Speaker 5>I'm making I'm gonna get quick. I'm gonna and I'm

1:48:48.680 --> 1:48:51.960
<v Speaker 5>going to leave. I'm gonna leave the Amy Whitehouse and

1:48:51.960 --> 1:48:53.320
<v Speaker 5>fade done away part out of.

1:48:53.280 --> 1:48:54.559
<v Speaker 3>It because it'll take too long.

1:48:55.200 --> 1:48:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh. He had a song came out.

1:48:58.400 --> 1:49:01.240
<v Speaker 5>I think it was he had some video that had

1:49:01.280 --> 1:49:04.839
<v Speaker 5>a friend that had a Spanish title, Uh, Corazon meet Corason.

1:49:04.920 --> 1:49:07.120
<v Speaker 5>I think it was called video We wanted me to

1:49:07.240 --> 1:49:08.600
<v Speaker 5>He wanted me to see it. I was there with

1:49:08.640 --> 1:49:12.000
<v Speaker 5>my with my boy Ashley, and so there's that, there's

1:49:12.000 --> 1:49:13.599
<v Speaker 5>that the big room where everybody else, and then there's

1:49:13.680 --> 1:49:16.000
<v Speaker 5>like his his room where he is. And we go

1:49:16.000 --> 1:49:18.240
<v Speaker 5>back to his room and there's a keyboard and there's

1:49:18.600 --> 1:49:22.400
<v Speaker 5>a monitor, and there's a computer where he was on

1:49:22.439 --> 1:49:24.240
<v Speaker 5>Prince dot org. I remember that very well. He was

1:49:24.240 --> 1:49:25.120
<v Speaker 5>on Prince dot org.

1:49:25.600 --> 1:49:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1:49:25.960 --> 1:49:29.040
<v Speaker 5>And then he played he played, Uh, he played the video.

1:49:29.640 --> 1:49:31.960
<v Speaker 5>He's a great video. And in the other monitor, he's

1:49:32.000 --> 1:49:33.920
<v Speaker 5>looking at while I'm looking at the video, he's looking

1:49:33.960 --> 1:49:37.280
<v Speaker 5>at a he's looking at his show from that night.

1:49:38.439 --> 1:49:42.439
<v Speaker 5>He's he's because you know, again, artist development, you stay,

1:49:42.560 --> 1:49:45.719
<v Speaker 5>you stay on it like he's Prince and he's still

1:49:45.800 --> 1:49:48.559
<v Speaker 5>watching it to find a way to get better in

1:49:48.880 --> 1:49:51.840
<v Speaker 5>I forget the year now two thousand and call it

1:49:51.960 --> 1:49:53.920
<v Speaker 5>nine ten. I don't I can't remember whatever that twenty

1:49:53.920 --> 1:49:58.599
<v Speaker 5>one days and so and so uh finished look oh

1:49:58.960 --> 1:50:00.920
<v Speaker 5>love the video, and we were all kind of looking

1:50:00.920 --> 1:50:03.280
<v Speaker 5>at the at the at the screen for that, and

1:50:03.600 --> 1:50:06.320
<v Speaker 5>there was the point where he did a mixture of

1:50:06.960 --> 1:50:11.120
<v Speaker 5>Freak Out the Freak and Sexy Dancer. We mashed them together,

1:50:12.040 --> 1:50:14.800
<v Speaker 5>and uh, my friend was like, oh, I really loved

1:50:14.800 --> 1:50:16.960
<v Speaker 5>I really loved the way he did Uh he did

1:50:17.000 --> 1:50:19.920
<v Speaker 5>Sexy Dance. Wait, Sexy Dancer in the Freak And then

1:50:20.240 --> 1:50:22.200
<v Speaker 5>either I or he said like, but I really what

1:50:22.280 --> 1:50:25.360
<v Speaker 5>I really missed was like, I really always loved the

1:50:25.360 --> 1:50:30.920
<v Speaker 5>piano solo in Sexy Dancer. And he goes, you mean

1:50:30.960 --> 1:50:37.160
<v Speaker 5>this and plays little solo on the keyboard and just

1:50:37.160 --> 1:50:38.080
<v Speaker 5>turns back to the screen.

1:50:40.000 --> 1:50:40.639
<v Speaker 1>That was Prince.

1:50:41.439 --> 1:50:46.160
<v Speaker 5>No, I don't know. It's only one and we're both

1:50:46.439 --> 1:50:48.200
<v Speaker 5>and we to this day we look at each other

1:50:48.280 --> 1:50:50.000
<v Speaker 5>like we're both glad the other.

1:50:49.880 --> 1:50:51.040
<v Speaker 1>One was there so we can.

1:50:55.200 --> 1:50:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Here like that.

1:50:56.280 --> 1:50:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh you mean like this anyhow? Wow?

1:51:00.080 --> 1:51:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Anyhow, Bro's it feels like there's no place you haven't been.

1:51:08.840 --> 1:51:12.680
<v Speaker 5>I am Forrest Gump. I am, I am. There's a

1:51:12.680 --> 1:51:14.559
<v Speaker 5>way to say black Forest Gump. I'm figuring that out

1:51:14.960 --> 1:51:18.479
<v Speaker 5>Forrest Gump. But yeah, and the luckiest and the luckiest

1:51:18.479 --> 1:51:20.280
<v Speaker 5>guy in the world. I love music and I can't

1:51:20.280 --> 1:51:21.040
<v Speaker 5>perform it.

1:51:21.120 --> 1:51:25.160
<v Speaker 2>But I feel like you've been in all of but

1:51:25.280 --> 1:51:30.800
<v Speaker 2>you're so deserving of it because you're appreciative of.

1:51:31.080 --> 1:51:36.800
<v Speaker 5>Great yes and respectful, constantly, constantly thank you. I love

1:51:36.880 --> 1:51:39.439
<v Speaker 5>that that is. I love that you recognize that.

1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I just I just I so.

1:51:44.400 --> 1:51:48.320
<v Speaker 5>Respect talent and talent. I think that that hones their

1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:51.639
<v Speaker 5>craft and really keeps moving it forward is everything.

1:51:52.720 --> 1:51:55.639
<v Speaker 3>And we'll tell you why you're here. You're a reason

1:51:55.680 --> 1:51:59.240
<v Speaker 3>why we do our show. What do you mean Like

1:51:59.640 --> 1:52:01.720
<v Speaker 3>you are somebody that we would have pitched this show to,

1:52:02.360 --> 1:52:04.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm saying. So we thought about like doing

1:52:05.000 --> 1:52:07.800
<v Speaker 3>something like this is like you know, you're you're a

1:52:07.960 --> 1:52:10.840
<v Speaker 3>thought of like oh no, like with Steven Hill with.

1:52:10.760 --> 1:52:14.439
<v Speaker 1>This, well, how would he approach it?

1:52:14.680 --> 1:52:17.840
<v Speaker 3>And now that you're here.

1:52:19.600 --> 1:52:23.880
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, but thank you man, No, thank you. I'm not

1:52:23.960 --> 1:52:27.080
<v Speaker 5>I'm not kidding. I was really nervous coming in. Uh,

1:52:28.280 --> 1:52:30.479
<v Speaker 5>but this was one of the best conversations I've had

1:52:30.520 --> 1:52:35.280
<v Speaker 5>about I love having conversations about music and and with

1:52:35.280 --> 1:52:38.160
<v Speaker 5>with musicians top five and so thank you.

1:52:38.840 --> 1:52:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I think we more importantly felt like people needed to

1:52:42.320 --> 1:52:47.760
<v Speaker 2>really know what you are because people people will hear

1:52:47.760 --> 1:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the name, people will will have light interaction, people will

1:52:52.360 --> 1:52:56.559
<v Speaker 2>will understand your position, but not necessarily understand you.

1:52:57.520 --> 1:53:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Not necessarily hear you, listen to me. I am.

1:53:00.479 --> 1:53:02.360
<v Speaker 5>I am in a whole bunch of therapy, trying to

1:53:02.400 --> 1:53:02.920
<v Speaker 5>understand me.

1:53:04.400 --> 1:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Understand me.

1:53:11.000 --> 1:53:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, for me, in my mind, you are the

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<v Speaker 2>You are the ultimate creative, and you are the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>champion of creatives. And and for that again we say,

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<v Speaker 2>we say thank you you like like you are. You

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<v Speaker 2>are important, highly important.

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<v Speaker 5>That that means a lot us to this universe, really

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<v Speaker 5>means a lot to me. I mean that so thoroughly

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<v Speaker 5>and wholeheartedly.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Tank, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>the Army Money Podcast, the authority on all things R

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<v Speaker 2>in his band. That's all I'm gonna say. That is

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<v Speaker 2>the gentleman, steeping head of your com