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Speaker 1: R and B Money, Honey, we are than take vlotie.

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Speaker 2: We are the authority on all.

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Speaker 1: Things ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Money is tank and this is the R and B

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Speaker 2: Money podcast on.

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Speaker 1: The authority.

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Speaker 2: On all things R N B Ah.

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Speaker 1: There is a man I was curated the air waves.

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Speaker 2: And the TV waves and created a cultural movement that

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Speaker 2: we have all prescribed to.

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Speaker 1: We'll all called this man many a time and said,

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Speaker 1: please please.

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Speaker 2: Let me on your platform, please, because he was cracking.

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Speaker 1: That ship, popping know with real music, real artistry.

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Speaker 2: He knows what that real thing is and what it

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Speaker 2: is supposed to be like as an icon in a building.

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Speaker 3: And he's gonna dance to it too. He's gonna He's

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Speaker 3: gonna dance. He gonna dance. He's gonna enjoy.

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Speaker 4: Himself at the shelf we all have, I would rather

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Speaker 4: enjoy himself.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, forgive me for taking so long on

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Speaker 2: this interrupt This man's special.

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Speaker 1: To me since the beginning of my career.

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Speaker 2: He has been an absolute driving force and an inspiration,

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Speaker 2: a battery, a man to tell you let you know

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Speaker 2: you are on the right path. He is sitting two

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Speaker 2: feet away from me, and his name is mister Stephen

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Speaker 2: Hill yarn abound here.

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Speaker 5: Wow, I would I would like to bottle that and

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Speaker 5: put it on us after shave.

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Speaker 1: Everything is this?

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Speaker 3: Is it Stephen Stephan? Like, okay, yeah, I'm sure.

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Speaker 5: Really, I'm sure, I'm sure about your name with Stephen

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Speaker 5: for all my lifetime until Curry came along, it is Stephan.

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Speaker 6: Every uber driver in the world, it's Stephan.

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Speaker 2: It's the Beyonce thing. It's the Beyonce. Come on, man,

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Speaker 2: I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with it. Stephan.

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Speaker 3: Everybody in R and B know what it is. My

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Speaker 3: mom in R and B.

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Speaker 2: No, brother, I remember like him yesterday. I remember there

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Speaker 2: was a show called spring Blink.

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Speaker 5: Oh gosh, two words I'm not in my mouth in

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Speaker 5: consecutive order for years.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you. Let me tell you

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Speaker 1: about it. And I call it to spring bling down.

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Speaker 2: In Daytona, in Daytona, and I got my guys with me,

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Speaker 2: mowet and I'm and I'm looking around, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: this must be heaven. I don't know if they've imported

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Speaker 2: all these young ladies, if they're just nestled here on

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Speaker 2: the beach like this all the time from Daytona. But

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Speaker 2: I am going to sing like my life depends on it.

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Speaker 2: And I proceeds to sing my songs, my my one hit,

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Speaker 2: maybe I Deserve and slowly is kind of percolating, you know.

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Speaker 2: I sing my tunes, so you sing slow Jams. I

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Speaker 2: sing on the beach because I have a purpose.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm I'm and an ability. You know what I'm

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Speaker 3: The ability? You know what I'm trying. And you don't

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Speaker 3: got no up. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I gotta leave my strength.

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Speaker 2: The first episode of the work, I couldn't perform that

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Speaker 2: on so I perform performed. We feel like it's a

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Speaker 2: great performance, you know what I'm saying. We we finger

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Speaker 2: tip and touching the ladies of the front, like all right,

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Speaker 2: let's go back to our room, you know, rotating the

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Speaker 2: the the holding areas, you know, lartist seeing artists out,

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. And we're walking on our way

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Speaker 2: back to the room, and I just I hear running,

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Speaker 2: I hear like.

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Speaker 1: I hear, and we're like, what the fuck is that

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Speaker 1: it is? Stephen Hill?

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Speaker 3: Okay you.

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Speaker 1: Met Steve all right?

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking to myself, Okay, I guess this guy's

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Speaker 2: got somewhere to be he's gonna run past us and

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Speaker 2: get to where he's going. He stops right in front

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Speaker 2: of me. He says, I'm Stephen Hill. I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: I run all this. You're incredible And we were saund like.

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Speaker 2: I was like what he's like this, You're incredible. Wow,

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Speaker 2: great job, amazing job. WHOA, We've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff for you. Good job. Shook my

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Speaker 2: hand and walked off. And that's Stephen Hill for me.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Always been there since Dy Won.

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Speaker 2: So for me, like this guy is like, you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm just glad I was right. I was like that

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Speaker 1: Story was down at the bar right now, man was

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Speaker 1: the next looster right now. Look look, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: right too, because that five years I had off, I

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Speaker 5: I have been a fan of true talent, true singing

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Speaker 5: talent and performing talent because I believe people can have

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Speaker 5: talents in other areas that just don't include the tones

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Speaker 5: that come out of their mouths. Right, I really appreciate

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Speaker 5: those who who take time with their craft and really

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Speaker 6: Gifted so much so that I married one.

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Speaker 2: So anyhow, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Did the same thing. Yeah, where does this start? Like

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Speaker 2: your your love for for this? Because like, like like

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Speaker 2: you you were you were the president, right, and so

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a business, there's a politic, and all

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Speaker 2: you would fore go business and fore goal politic to

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Speaker 1: How where does that start for you?

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Speaker 5: So, I mean, I'm going to address that because that's

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Speaker 5: a great point. The business and politic. I always hated,

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Speaker 5: But I really did that and tried to improve how

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Speaker 5: I did that just so I could stay close to

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Speaker 5: like I guess I'm known for TV, but my love

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Speaker 1: So do you have a backstory where you were like

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Speaker 3: So you just you saved the dance moves into the

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Speaker 5: I did stressed before each a ward show. What I

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Speaker 3: So I so you were never nothing.

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Speaker 5: I have, no I have. I believe I have musical

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Speaker 5: world I want, But you didn't explore it. I did

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Speaker 5: I needed to when I was twelve years old, right,

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Speaker 5: So I took piano lessons for maybe six or seven months,

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Speaker 5: for like three months and let me quit. I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: jump ahead fast forward. My son we made a deal

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Speaker 5: when he was thirteen. I was like, you're staying in

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Speaker 5: the only sixteen year old who could play Scott Joplin slawlessly, slawlessly.

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Speaker 5: By the time he was sixteen, Jayden could play Scott

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Speaker 5: to say, like, oh, my failure became his success.

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Speaker 1: I'm good with that. Yeah, you made sure you Joe Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Play past seventeen.

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Speaker 5: He did for two years after seventeen, and then then

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Speaker 2: And and what what leads you into I guess as

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: What leads you into that?

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Speaker 6: I was I was four years old.

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Speaker 5: My my, my babysitter, Sheila Pegeese, who I had a

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Speaker 5: the first song I remember hearing was the name game Banana.

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Speaker 6: And from there on, I just love music.

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Speaker 5: We'd listened to music when she when she'd come over,

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Speaker 5: And I know it's R and B is the R

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Speaker 3: But we consider R and B to B. Okay, it's

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Speaker 3: just we don't do the sub genre thing. You sing

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Speaker 3: blues in it. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. We're in

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Speaker 3: you know, it led me. I loved music all the

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Speaker 5: I thought everybody was was as obsessed as I was.

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Speaker 5: I did. I thought everybody listened to every groove. I

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Speaker 3: You was directed.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. And so when I got to college,

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Speaker 5: to Brown University, they had a radio station.

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Speaker 3: Oh Brown, Yeah, okay, yeah, Brown, so reflect everybody don't

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Speaker 6: And it was a great place. I love I love,

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Speaker 5: But they had a radio station that wasn't a college

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Speaker 5: radio station. It wasn't a bunch of kids just like

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: There were only professionals in the sales department and as

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Speaker 5: So it was a real quick It wasn't quick, it

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Speaker 5: Guess what applied math economics degree? That's what I got.

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Speaker 5: I go down to Providence, Rhode Island. You know, I

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Speaker 6: In the previous three years, he heard me on the radio.

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Speaker 5: He finally called somebody who called the station, and somebody

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Speaker 5: It's like a Star Trek episode, like when something happened,

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Speaker 5: So I've always been so thankful to Elroy, and I've

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Speaker 1: You know, how long and how long were you there

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Speaker 5: Yes, fie eighty eight to ninety three, And then I

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Speaker 3: At the Tom Joyner Morning Show.

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Speaker 5: No, absolutely, absolutely, they started. They started in January of

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Speaker 5: You least callim fly jack fly jock because he usul

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Speaker 5: What that meant is that like Tom, if you if

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Speaker 1: So we can satisfy el Roy.

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Speaker 5: El Roy's one was one of the pds in twelve

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Speaker 5: For a year? For a year and a half, and

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Speaker 5: then I went to MTV. I moved to New York

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Speaker 5: That was my That was my last stting radio until

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Speaker 3: Four years ago.

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Speaker 5: I smile about that because it is through that show

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Speaker 5: the Serious XM Show. Tracy Jordan, thanks you very much.

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Speaker 1: I I don't know, you didn't know. I just really.

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Speaker 5: MTV discovered me because at my time at w b

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Speaker 5: used to be crack Row crack Row forty second, forty second,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, forgetting how much older than you I am.

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Speaker 5: This I gotta keep forgetting how much I think I

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Speaker 1: You're not happy with Steve Wow? And what was your

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Speaker 5: I was a director of music programming, So I was

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Speaker 5: phrase it, the way America rock now. Back in MTV,

446
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 5: this is back in MTV was actually playing music videos

447
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 5: call it at least at least eight nine hours a day. Yeah,

448
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 5: pure pure videos with with vj's in between, and so

449
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 5: the music really mattered, Like you you played something, you

450
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 5: moved the needle. Yeah, yeah, first song I remember being

451
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 5: involved with, but I was like, no, no, this is

452
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 5: the song we should play. I promise she was gonna hit.

453
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 6: Was Skilo's I wish ski Loo, I wish.

454
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: I what?

455
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 5: So I was right, but without MTV would have been

456
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 5: the same thing, right, It's it's really like we put

457
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 5: on MTV and it started to blow up.

458
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: It just it just it.

459
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it was too smart old.

460
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yes, I believe you'll be You're gonna be

461
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 5: talking to uh Chante Moore in a couple in a

462
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 5: few weeks or soon, right, Yeah, really you should ask

463
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 5: her about her involvement with ski Lo's. I wish it's

464
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 5: her story to tell. It's her story to tell. But

465
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,239
Speaker 5: she's on the song. She's on the song. We like that, okay, right?

466
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 5: Uh sow first record you pised? The first record I remember.

467
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 5: I remember I picked and I was like, oh that

468
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 5: was that was gonna work and they were there were

469
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 5: kid rock days.

470
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 6: Radiohead is still one of my favorite.

471
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

472
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 5: It is my favorite rock group to this moment, because

473
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 5: I remember when they came out. This was after Creep,

474
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 5: when The Bends first came out, as when I started

475
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 5: and and I was just blown away by their musicianship,

476
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 5: there the risks they were willing to take, and Tom

477
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 5: York's vocals or just he's He's one of my favorite

478
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 5: soul singers. Yeah, so but it was great. Look, I

479
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 5: talk about somebody who loves live shows, like being able

480
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 5: to go. They used to call they used to call

481
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 5: me the local because I go to three shows a night.

482
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 5: I would literally go, like there'd be a showcase that

483
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 5: a label was having early and then there'd be a

484
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 5: Mercury Lounge would have somebody around eight o'clock and then

485
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 5: be a a and I catch the final of some

486
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 5: show at Madison Square Garden or something it was. It

487
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 5: was like Dave Matthews band ever clear. Uh, it was

488
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 5: you know jay Z has started around, it was starting

489
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 5: around you.

490
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: You were really locked in. And that is at once

491
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: again sitting in a meeting and them talking about trying

492
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: to get certain playlisters and different people in a room. Yes,

493
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: you should not have to try to get music people

494
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 3: in a music room. If you really love the music business,

495
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: you should know what's coming, what's here, Well, you know

496
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: what I mean. You should be involved more so on

497
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, we think maybe such and such might

498
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 3: come by this showcase. No, if you've signed up for

499
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: this thing, you should be at that showcase. Yes, at

500
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: whatever level, you're adding a business.

501
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 5: And I try not to make it a generational thing

502
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 5: because so many people want to talk about to talk

503
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 5: about that, but I just know there's a there was

504
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 5: a passion and I will say an ability.

505
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: Right.

506
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 6: So live music has taken on the chin.

507
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 5: Technology has made live music take it on the chin

508
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 5: a little bit or a lot of bit over I

509
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 5: think in the last certainly in the last thirty years.

510
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 5: So there's a whole generation who doesn't understand what it's

511
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 5: like to go to a club and hear things out

512
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 5: of tune.

513
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Because it's live just for a moment.

514
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 5: It's not because you're bad, it's because it's real, live

515
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 5: and the passion may have not the passion in the

516
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 5: note might not have met in that moment, but it's

517
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 5: still a live experience, right, And so I think there's

518
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 5: an entire generation who who does not have that experience,

519
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 5: of course, which makes me always glad that I grew

520
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 5: up when I did, because I got to see Jackson five, Prince,

521
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 5: James Brown all live. And there's very few people who

522
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 5: do it like that now. And it's not their fault.

523
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 5: It's because what they had access to when they grew

524
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 5: up taking music out of school, so they didn't know

525
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 5: how to pick up a guitar in third grade. Like,

526
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 5: there's a whole bunch of societal and technological things that

527
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 5: made it so their experience had to be different.

528
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: I also believe that that the requirement also, or the

529
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: people requiring a certain thing kind of changed because we

530
00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: started gearing or moving away from music, people actually being

531
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: in charge of music. Like the preparation of a Jackson five,

532
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, the preparation of a James

533
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: Brown of a that's.

534
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: A costly preparation if you want to be that.

535
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 2: And when the business started overtaking the art, they the

536
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: business found ways to cut those.

537
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 5: Corners debt service over dopeness, and debt service over dopeness.

538
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: And and in their mind yield the same or a

539
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: better result on the books. Yes, but from a career

540
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: standpoint and in the idea of creating icons, yeah.

541
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: It took a hit because they're just swapping people out.

542
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: They're swapping people out. It's just like, Okay, who has

543
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: a hot record right now that we can tag along to.

544
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: We know what's in the pipeline. Oh, it's about one

545
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousands in there because they got, you know,

546
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: some traction, and the analytics says that this record can

547
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: go here if we just throw a little bit of money.

548
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: But they're not saying, oh, let's also throw in some

549
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: artists development. Let's also get them with a great choreographer

550
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: and a vocal coach so they can stop hitting that

551
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: bad note that they continue to hit.

552
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: To continue to us all very consistent on that with

553
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: the bad note, right, But that is where it.

554
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: Where you need music people.

555
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: You need music, You need music people, You need music people.

556
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 6: Again, I'm gonna sound like the old guy.

557
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 5: But there was the there was the the mo Austin's

558
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 5: back in the day, like you got three albums before

559
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: you got dropped three albums to find yourself, right right,

560
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 5: you got you got multiple opportunities before they were like,

561
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 5: we've given it a shot. It's not going to work,

562
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 5: good luck, and that timeline is just condensed if your

563
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 5: second single doesn't work. And let's not let's not understate

564
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 5: how much the disruptor from tech made all this happen.

565
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 5: Right Once, once you broke up the album, Oh, once

566
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 5: you broke, Once you broke once you allowed you defined

567
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 5: the you know, the album cut and the hot single

568
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 5: or exactly the same price at ninety nine cents and

569
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 5: you only have to buy one.

570
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 6: It changed, It changed everything, and I.

571
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: Think it killed the movie, right, it killed It killed

572
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: the story. Yes, like there's a there's a like there

573
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: are albums where okay, maybe there's not a hit single,

574
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: but the story from song one to thirteen is absolutely incredible.

575
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 5: The first so y'all have to know this. But Prince

576
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty eight put out Love Sexy, and he

577
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 5: refused to have any CDs printed that any tracks on it.

578
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 5: You could only put it on and listen from start

579
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: to finish. There was no track one track too, and

580
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: so I remember there being a big, big fight about that.

581
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 5: He's like, no, that's that's the way, that's how this

582
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 5: is to be consumed.

583
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: I wonder, from a business standpoint, how is that.

584
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: Well time, because yeah, you can't get it off now

585
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: unless you just have a long play of a song

586
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: that just goes. But from a publishing and now you're

587
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: selling a ten dollars song.

588
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 6: Well right with Prince publishing was all the same.

589
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: As you say, But.

590
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 5: The bottom is crazy, top to bottom is crazy. But

591
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 5: it really is taken away. Look, there's some artists will

592
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 5: still make the entire artistic statement.

593
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Uh.

594
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 5: And I love I love when that happens.

595
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: I love.

596
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 5: There's nothing I love more than like sitting on a

597
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 5: on a car ride and listen to an album front

598
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 5: to back. And I there's few of them in the

599
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 5: last twenty years that that make me want to do that.

600
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: I get for me.

601
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 5: Also, it's an age thing I always wanted. I always

602
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 5: want to asterisk I'm I'm older. But I think it's

603
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 5: also the way that the business has been set up.

604
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 5: The business has been set up thanks to uh, Steve Jobs.

605
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: I still listen the same way though for me, from

606
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: buy an album. If you put out an album, I'm

607
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: going I'm not going to jump to the song that

608
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: got a star on it on the playlist. I'm literally

609
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: going to go from your intro to the end and

610
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: then I'll decide what I liked from that standpoint, and

611
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: maybe I'll go back and forth tongs that I like.

612
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: But I am searching for that album that I literally

613
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 3: can do that with and I and for me personally,

614
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: I found albums that I can do that, yes, all

615
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: the way through Leon Thomas Thomas front to back for sure,

616
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: Kendrick Lamar G and X Yes.

617
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm I'm back back, front to back and back

618
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 5: to front.

619
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: Yes, Like I'm literally like those out for me personally,

620
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: those are, you know, albums that I can either take

621
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: a ride to, I'm at the gym, whatever those things are.

622
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: I'm not skipping one song and it's hard to do that.

623
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: Jazmine Sullivan Hotels. Absolutely Yes, I'm sorry.

624
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 6: Yes to me, that's the last one that's.

625
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: Summer over it.

626
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 8: I to man like her every Victoria. I'm sorry Victoria Money,

627
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 8: but I do I do that exactly what you said.

628
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: I'm and we don't have to anymore obviously, but I

629
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: love that experience.

630
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 5: What's your favorite fund the back album of all time?

631
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Take time out of it? Favorite fund the back? Off

632
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: the Wall?

633
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean from the back.

634
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 5: That's not your own, that's not corn I'm sorry, suld

635
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 5: I said that before.

636
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: Damn he stole my Off the Wall.

637
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 9: So if it's off the walls, off the agreeable one,

638
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 9: something different, it would.

639
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: Have been thriller. But the Girl's Mine, I gotta do something.

640
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: You don't like the Girl's Mine.

641
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 5: I love the girls.

642
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, people aren't. I'm gonna go.

643
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: I love it. I love what Paul Carty says.

644
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I don't believe it.

645
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, and a go on Impact.

646
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go too. I'm gonna go. Joe Toosy Diary

647
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: for Man Band and Brandy's first album, Brandy, Oh, that's.

648
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: A good one.

649
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: Over forever, my lady. You're gonna go. You're gonna go,

650
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: You're gonna go, dive you. Maybe I have to for you, Yeah.

651
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, not along with Off the Wall, but

652
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: just like Jesus.

653
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 5: That's when I asked the question. I have no idea

654
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 5: what my answer.

655
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: Is gonna be. Uh.

656
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 5: Well one, uh one is obviously it's the only It's

657
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 5: the only album the Prince ever mentioned in the song

658
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 5: where they where he mentioned the album and the singer

659
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 5: is precious by Shante rocking on the rocking on the box.

660
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 5: Uh so precious by Chante Moore. Seal second album, hm hmm,

661
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 5: Seal second album. Uh And because I.

662
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 6: Was such a Jackson five fan, which we haven't talked about.

663
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 5: The the album ABC, their second album is just start

664
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: to finish, Start to finish, my favorite album of theirs.

665
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 5: And I promise you if you listen to a song

666
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 5: called I Don't Know Why, I don't know Why I

667
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 5: Love You, I don't know Why I Love You, which

668
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 5: is the end of the first if you have their album,

669
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 5: it's the last track on the first side, and it's

670
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 5: Stevie Wonder wrote it. And people talk about how Michael

671
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 5: Jackson sounded on Who's Loving You. The vocal that this

672
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 5: twelve year old puts on the Stevie Wonder remake is unbelievable.

673
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 5: I promise you just look up the album, maybe see

674
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 5: by the Jackson five, I don't know why I love you,

675
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 5: And listen to a twelve year old and remind yourself

676
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 5: the twelve year old.

677
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 3: I want to ask you what's because we have this

678
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: back and forth at times. Is Michael Jackson the greatest

679
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: kid singer of all time? Think of the rush, the rush,

680
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: the rush.

681
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 6: Okay, no, and don't give me okay, kid, give me

682
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 6: what age?

683
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 5: Give me an age range?

684
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 3: Anything under eighteen.

685
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: No, it's not kid, it's a kid. It's got to

686
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: be anything like under thirteen, anything under twelve, that's a kid.

687
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 5: So Frankie Lyman's in the conversation, Michael Jackson's in the conversation,

688
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 5: Tevin Campbell in the conversation Wonder, there's Stevie Wonder.

689
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 6: I have to now, I have to say, but.

690
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: Yes, when he's singing that.

691
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 6: Yes, that's true. But okay, I'm glad you.

692
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 5: So listen to Stevie Wonder singing young, and then Michael

693
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 5: Jackson singing Love Young.

694
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: I gotta go.

695
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 5: I gotta go with Mike at young when it comes.

696
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 5: When it gets older, it gets closer.

697
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: But Mike changes his voice as he gets older, just

698
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: so Steve. Yeah, I get it.

699
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 5: But as a kid, I got tomorrow, That's what That's

700
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Tevin, Frankie, Michael, Who's it? Is there

701
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 5: a young woman in that conversation.

702
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: The closest I would think would be Brandy.

703
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 5: She was sixteen, was fIF she was fifteen, fifteen.

704
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: She was saying, she says, she's sang them at fifteen, Yeah,

705
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen?

706
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: Is there a young Jojoh was pretty crazy? Jojo was crazy.

707
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: Jojo was a good one.

708
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Jo was crazy. Uh.

709
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 5: I am taking Michael Jackson because no one, for forget

710
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 5: technical ability.

711
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: But no one had the soul.

712
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, listen to this one song and you

713
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 5: will have to keep reminding yourself to the twelve year olds.

714
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: I like the way you articulated that because me, Me

715
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: and Jay go back and forth with this a lot,

716
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: and I think as you broke it down, I think

717
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 2: technically Devin was the best. But when you add that

718
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: soul element to it, I believed Michael. It's like when

719
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: they say, oh, that kid has an old soul. Yes,

720
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson had an old soul. From the beginning.

721
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 3: It did not sound like a key No, he had

722
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: a high voice, but it's like.

723
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like a little grown he had the fazing

724
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 5: a little person.

725
00:38:53,840 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 10: Really, he's in a movie with mar Willians smoking.

726
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Robinson said.

727
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 5: The coolest thing about I thought about Michael Jackson said

728
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: he had never met anyone who was more grown up

729
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 5: when he was a kid, and never met anybody who

730
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 5: was more of a kid when.

731
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: He was growing grown up.

732
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: Wow, that was Michael Jackson.

733
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: Bar because that is that bounds it all us, it does.

734
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: All right, take me from MTV TV.

735
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: E no, before you go to BT, though, I have

736
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: a question. Yeah, did you hire Tyres for MTV?

737
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: Hire him? No?

738
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 5: No, no, no no, no, I did not.

739
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: What did he do? I forget what he do? He was,

740
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 3: That's why I asked.

741
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: That's no.

742
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 5: I think he may have gotten there after you lever

743
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: I left. I feel like he was post ninety nine.

744
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: I left. I left the April ninety nine.

745
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 5: Uh okay, wait, yes, MTV is lovely and I won't

746
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: go into it, but I think this think is funny.

747
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 5: I can always uh and when I left MTV because

748
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 5: it was the.

749
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: Uh week.

750
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 5: That uh the NAS hate Me Now video came out?

751
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 5: Video I was at MTV. That's the story that doesn't

752
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: get told right, The story that gets told is like, oh,

753
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 5: somebody went to the Universal Building hit Steve's out on

754
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 5: the head. There was another crew that came over to

755
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 5: MTV to see you, to see all of us.

756
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 9: All of us, to see all of us because the

757
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 9: video got played on MTV.

758
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 5: I won't I won't use any proper now that I

759
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 5: don't know if it ever got explained.

760
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: So we have standards and.

761
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 5: Practices that has that that that you can't say these

762
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 5: words in there, you can't serve this much in the video.

763
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 5: So videos come in, videos coming to MTV, we'd say

764
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 5: whether we will to play them or not, and then

765
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 5: to go to the standards practices. Standards and practices would say, oh,

766
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: you have to take this out. You have to take

767
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 5: out you have to not say that word, you can't

768
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 5: show that body part. It goes back to the label.

769
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 5: Label makes those edits and it comes back to MTV.

770
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: Hate me.

771
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Now. Video comes in, goes to standards and practices, they.

772
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 5: Make their edits. But an artist being on the cross

773
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 5: was not a standards and practices edit.

774
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 6: It was not It was a required question.

775
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 5: Edit from the from one of the artists on that

776
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 5: And so video artists didn't want they didn't want to

777
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 5: be on the Cross. Did not want to be on

778
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 5: the Cross. Video goes back to the label. Label makes

779
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 5: the standards and practices edits doesn't make the artists requested.

780
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 5: Edit gets back to MTV. Now candidly, it was MTV's

781
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 5: job to make sure that that artist requested edit was

782
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 5: out right, standard practices did their job, label did their job.

783
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: Everybody had their notes, everybody had their notes.

784
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 5: It came back, it got missed over, it when on

785
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 5: the air, and all hell broke loose. It was, but

786
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 5: it was, it was. It was a simple mistake. Nobody's

787
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 5: I don't as I understand it. Nobody was trying to

788
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 5: pull over anything there was. You know, yes, the label

789
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 5: should have pulled it out because their artists requested it,

790
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 5: but it was really on us before it got on

791
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 5: the air to to make sure that got done.

792
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: So I've never told that story. I don't think. I

793
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: don't think.

794
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: I think I've ever told that story.

795
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: But that was the week I left m TV. That's

796
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: that's how we got to that.

797
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 5: People here, no, no, and security ain't good enough. No.

798
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 3: I will say this and.

799
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: Again, there was just feel like a black operation. How

800
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: much we'll hang out with the black no.

801
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: No, no, to that point.

802
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 5: To that point, the person who was who was the

803
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 5: head of Running Music at that time, uh was, uh was, Uh,

804
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: there's a couple of white folks who I remember feeling like, Oh,

805
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: I'm You're lucky I'm here this week, since I'm here

806
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 5: to protect you and have a conversation and a language

807
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 5: that you really can't have you won't be able to

808
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 5: have next week. No, that's not because another my man

809
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 5: was there, he would have had the conversation. But you

810
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 5: had a senior level person having this conversation. So yeah,

811
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 5: so they were yeah, and then and then no bad

812
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 5: boy stuff got played for like four or.

813
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: Five months after that. That was the you can't because

814
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: they did. They came into the building.

815
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 5: They came in into the m TV building like a

816
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 5: MTV building, like they came into the Universal building.

817
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: No passes, no passing landers.

818
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 5: The guy, the guy from the guy, the label executive

819
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 5: came through with the four big dudes.

820
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: Said I needed them to facilitate my movement. That's what

821
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: the four big dudes were doing.

822
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 5: That's what the four big dudes would do. The label

823
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 5: executive literally said, I said what what I was like

824
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 5: when I talked to them off was like, why'd you

825
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 5: come through like this? It's not going to bode well

826
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 5: for you, Like I'm leaving like you ain't got me

827
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 5: to like I needed them to facilitate my movement. If

828
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 5: you see this, you know who you are?

829
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 3: He did.

830
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: I like, first, I'm rolling with that.

831
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: Mh. So now you now, now it's a great way

832
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: to go out in the door.

833
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: It was an interesting way to go out the door.

834
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: It was an interesting Yes. So I went to b E.

835
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 5: T Uh as a VP of music programming.

836
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: Again. That was time when when BT played U uh,

837
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: everybody playing video.

838
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 5: Everybody's playing videos and so I came away. You just

839
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: want to jump the tip thrill? Is that what you're doing?

840
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 5: You can always So.

841
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 6: Here's the here's here's here's the thing to know.

842
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: Here's the thing to know about b Et Young cut

843
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: and we'll jump around again the cut so again.

844
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 5: Because we appreciate artists and what they do and always

845
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 5: want artists, whether it's no awards show, where it's in videos,

846
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 5: want to have artists be able to present themselves the

847
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 5: way they'd like to present themselves. We were conundrum because

848
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 5: we couldn't do that during the day because the standards

849
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 5: of the equivalent of standards and practices at BEET wouldn't

850
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 5: allow it. And I understood it. You don't want to

851
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 5: have champagne being poured on.

852
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: People, so do standards and practices go to sleep at

853
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 3: a certain time.

854
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 5: So it's so the deal that we made was, look,

855
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 5: we just want to we like to play videos more

856
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 5: like the artists want them.

857
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: We understand it can happen during the day.

858
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, we can be more strict

859
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 5: during the day if you allow that thing at night

860
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 5: at two o'clock in the morning. And there was a boy,

861
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 5: there were people, folks bought in. So that was But

862
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: here's the thing. It was so that videos that already

863
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 5: existed and videos that were made would have an outlet

864
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 5: during the day and there and then at night during

865
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: bet Cut and if I'm not mistaken, Bet you and

866
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 5: Cut came on it two o'clock, two to four, two

867
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: to four, three to five, and we were like, if

868
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 5: you got your twelve year old up at midnight, then

869
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 5: your your problem is not bet.

870
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: And that's tip Drill is the.

871
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: Poster child for this.

872
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 5: Is that people started making videos for uncut, right, And

873
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 5: so I'll take the blame for not seeing that coming.

874
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: We were really just going.

875
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 5: To have artists so like, oh, you gotta cut that

876
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 5: out of my video. We gotta cut it out during

877
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 5: the day, but you get this at night, right, So

878
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 5: we didn't expect people to just like we ain't trying

879
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 5: to get daytime play. We're just getting gun cut because

880
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 5: we didn't realize how big uncut.

881
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: Uncut was a ratings.

882
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: You thought you were doing some type of damage control

883
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: he's giving them. That's all that was in many answer.

884
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, a common theme throughout things like wanting artists

885
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 5: to present themselves the way they want to, the way

886
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 5: they desired, all this stuff.

887
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 6: So so here's.

888
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 5: What I knew uncut was a problem. I knew uncut

889
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 5: was a problem when Patti LaBelle comes on one oh

890
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 5: six and Park because she had something else she started

891
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 5: too or something. She comes on and and she was asked, so,

892
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 5: what do you what are you watching now? Like what

893
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 5: the things you watch on TV? Just ran in crush

894
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 5: and she's like, I really like on BT on cut

895
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 5: and we were like, and I forget the follow up.

896
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 5: The follow was like just trying to check, like like

897
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 5: sure she wasn't saying just to be funny.

898
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: He said, oh no, no.

899
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: Was that video? What the thing smelled like?

900
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: Commercial? Yeah?

901
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, cooking.

902
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: Turn that out.

903
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 5: So it was great one of the two of the

904
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 5: best things that happened, as bt cut happened and bet

905
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 5: Uncut ended. It was because things were getting out of hand.

906
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 5: People were protesting in front of my boss's house. Really

907
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 5: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yah, yeah, oh yeah it was.

908
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 5: I mean just videos, videos overall were being blamed as

909
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 5: being the scourge of America, right they were. The videos

910
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 5: were the reason that America was going down the tubes. Yeah,

911
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 5: uh it was you know, you see the Lords Tucker

912
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 5: never that that trajectory never really ended. Uh and then

913
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 5: you know the videos with again Champagne on women and

914
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 5: everything else didn't.

915
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: Really help it.

916
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 5: So, uh there were church there were church groups that

917
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 5: would protest outside my boss's house.

918
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: And so are you in DC at this time?

919
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: Were you know?

920
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: We started?

921
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 5: I started in DC in ninety nine and then I

922
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 5: thought it would a few years to get the thing

923
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 5: moved to uh New York. But thanks to uh Bob Johnson, Deverly,

924
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 5: Curtis Gats and we got one of six and parks

925
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 5: started on in in fall of two thousands, so it

926
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 5: was only a year. Nice nice to my house in

927
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 5: DC just stayed empty for I don't know, and it's

928
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 5: that's another story. But yeah, so that was that was

929
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 5: a real challenge for a problem challenge for a while

930
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 5: was UH videos and their content and how we were

931
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 5: being blamed. One of the most boss moves I ever saw,

932
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 5: who was Bob Johnson called me and said, I need

933
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 5: a head of every label on the on the phone

934
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 5: at three o'clock in the I remember it was three

935
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 5: three o'clock PM. I don't remember what day of the

936
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 5: week it was, but I need every label, every label head.

937
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 5: But like I'm like, we don't know what they're doing.

938
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 5: They might have means like every label head on the phone,

939
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 5: and so I'm dialing, We're just dialing for dollars. It's like,

940
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 5: please can you make sure that? And I've sent who

941
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 5: the label heads were at the time, like like like

942
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 5: like the mucketed MUCKs, you know, uh, Donnie Ironer here,

943
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 5: Doug Morris, like all the like the big dudes, and

944
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 5: they were there at three o'clock PM. And and and

945
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 5: Bob was like, we're taking all of this flack for

946
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 5: things that you are producing. So if you don't start

947
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 5: taking some of this or find a way to make

948
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 5: sure that we're not taking all of it, it's going

949
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 5: to be a problem. And I and I and I

950
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 5: appreciated that because we because BT took a lot of

951
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 5: flak for videos that we we edited down. We we

952
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 5: we we we couldn't tell people to what you're just.

953
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: Doing your best to represent the artists and their freedoms

954
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: and their artistic vision, like you were just trying your

955
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: best to support.

956
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 5: That was that is indeed, that is indeed the case

957
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 5: as BT did long before I got there, and it's

958
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 5: done long since I left.

959
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: But it's like, also, you kind of gotta help us

960
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: out when you're dating.

961
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 3: You can't deliver. You can't deliver. You can't you can't deliver.

962
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 5: I can't think of I don't want to call out

963
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 5: any video, but you can't call out the villain.

964
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: You can't deliver the.

965
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 5: Video where they're they're pouring a honey on a selection

966
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 5: of women and then smacking the ass and go like,

967
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 5: y'all plan.

968
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, Well if you if you go on YouTube,

969
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: it's a free for all now now everything, but at

970
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: no one's expense.

971
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: Right at your own expense at that point.

972
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: But and that's the thing I just wonder, also, are

973
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: those same people picketing in front of the YouTube officers they.

974
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: Gave up the fight the fight?

975
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: Did they give up the fight or was it that

976
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: they were holding BT to a different standard, because it

977
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: was like, it's my cousin.

978
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 5: I think that's both.

979
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: We're all black, I can go and.

980
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 5: I'm always looking for the positive side of things. And

981
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 5: so what that meant is that they were passionate about right,

982
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 5: CBS doesn't have fans, right, ABC didn't have fans.

983
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: TBS doesn't have fans. BT had fans.

984
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 5: BT had folks who were always cheering for us and

985
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 5: wanted to hold us accountable.

986
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 6: The wholding accountable didn't didn't really bother me.

987
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 5: It was the level to which they went and invaded

988
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 5: people's private lives that was That was a real real

989
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 5: challenge behind that. But I always always appreciated that folks

990
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 5: cheered for us, folks want us to win. Folks. Bob

991
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 5: Johnson talks about the day that they rang the bell

992
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 5: at the Stock Exchange and the people who working in

993
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 5: the service jobs who were black were like crying because

994
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 5: they hadn't seen something like that happen before, and they

995
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 5: were really proud of that, of that moment, and they

996
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 5: were to stock Exchange and see people come by ringing

997
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 5: the bells for years and then, but to see a

998
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 5: black man do it for a media company was really

999
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 5: was really special. B BT is just an unbelievably special place.

1000
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 5: Jumping off ground. Uh entity just awesome.

1001
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: Let's talk one six and Park Man. Okay, let's let's

1002
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: talk to talk man. Let's what about it? I mean,

1003
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: what's so much? One O six and Park.

1004
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: The landmark, Yes, where everybody wanted to land.

1005
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: How how tricky.

1006
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: Was was that for you to manage all of who

1007
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: gets who gets to sit? Or okay, who gets to

1008
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 2: just get their video played? Okay, you can perform? Maybe

1009
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: you like all of these things.

1010
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 5: So I need to shout out a few people so

1011
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 5: I can get into the story and not worry about

1012
00:53:55,160 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 5: doing it now. Penny McDonald, who was simple leave my

1013
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 5: right hand for so many years and instrumental in so

1014
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 5: many of these things that you're going to ask about,

1015
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 5: was Penny McDonald, Rick Grimes, Lee Harris, Melanie Massey, uh

1016
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 5: and talent, Kelly g and music. And as I think

1017
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 5: of more people, I will, I will, I will somt

1018
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 5: them out. Stephanie Hodges insub because she was always in

1019
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 5: sub board and I'd say, hey, can you do this,

1020
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 5: She's like, y'all do it and then not do it

1021
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 5: and then it would be better than the thing I

1022
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 5: asked for. So just a really Stephie Hodges was a

1023
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 5: great was it was. It was a great great inventive

1024
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 5: producer as well. Now, okay, I just want to make

1025
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 5: sure that people because I never because one O six

1026
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 5: in part was completely a gang of folks who really

1027
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 5: believed in the mission when other folks would and I

1028
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 5: rarely say these, you got me saying a lot who

1029
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 5: really believed that we would never ever come close to

1030
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 5: t r L And that was the that was undoubtedly

1031
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 5: the driver for the first first year and more than

1032
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 5: the first year. But getting to their level, or getting

1033
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 5: to their ratings level, not their creative level. But we

1034
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 5: had a report card every day, which is ratings like

1035
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 5: how many people watched to you, how many people watch them?

1036
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 5: And I was maniacal about watching about seeing that how

1037
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 5: that was.

1038
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 6: But it was just it was a it was just

1039
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 6: flavor of love.

1040
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 5: The the so the one oh six in Park in

1041
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 5: a lot of ways was built around my first Jackson

1042
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 5: five concert July seventeenth.

1043
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy one.

1044
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 5: The Commodore's open, fine, Commodore Commodores are open. They have

1045
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 5: no single machine guns, not out yet. And while they're

1046
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 5: on the audience is screaming, we want the Jackson five,

1047
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 5: we want the Jackson five.

1048
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 6: While they're performed.

1049
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 5: So they don't know who the Commodore are. They don't

1050
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 5: realize a lot of or Richie's gonna go to be

1051
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 5: one of the greatest, Like they don't know what they're

1052
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 5: seeing in the moment.

1053
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: Not that did I.

1054
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 5: And they go off, they go off stage, and the

1055
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 5: lights come on, and the lights went down before the

1056
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 5: Jackson five came on, and there was a sound that

1057
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 5: when I talk about I can still hear in my ear.

1058
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 5: There was a scream, there was a whale, there was

1059
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 5: a there was an antisity, there was audio, uh audible

1060
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 5: anticipation of that thing that was coming up next.

1061
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: And so.

1062
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 5: One O six in Park I always wanted to get

1063
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 5: that sound, like that sound of teenagers, young black teenagers,

1064
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 5: losing their mind, like for that thing.

1065
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 6: That's about to come out next.

1066
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 5: Is what one O six in Park was built for

1067
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 5: and to do and we got we got and again lucky, lucky, lucky.

1068
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 5: It came along the same time that Bow Wow came out, right,

1069
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 5: and so.

1070
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: From the beginning to the end, and so.

1071
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 5: We had you know, there's a bunch of people who

1072
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 5: do we had on in great talent, but bow Wow was.

1073
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 6: The first act that got that sound.

1074
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 5: That sound, yeah, that sound that I that I'd heard

1075
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 5: twenty nine years before was was was had when bow

1076
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 5: Wow came out. And then B two K and then

1077
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 5: Chris Brown, then Trey Songs and the whole bunch of

1078
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 5: like I got to hear that sound.

1079
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: Talk about genuine and the ambulance.

1080
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 6: We ain't got to that point.

1081
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: You got.

1082
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 6: Genuine, genuinees wasn't anticipation.

1083
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 5: Genuine wasn't like genuine, and then you spring it was

1084
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 5: it was like bow Wow and you know right right

1085
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 5: it was. B two K was so crazy. I know

1086
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 5: B two K was so crazy that we were trying

1087
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 5: not to let them know when we were We would

1088
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 5: actually trying to tape that show so it wasn't live,

1089
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 5: so people wouldn't come up because they were live. And

1090
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 5: once and it was the first she was there, they

1091
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 5: came to one O sixth and Park. I want to

1092
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 5: go to details because one of the park in case

1093
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 5: you don't know, was named after the intersection where the

1094
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 5: studios studio actually was one O six and Park in

1095
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 5: in uh In in New York. They came up and

1096
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 5: these these girls came up and surrounded the building and

1097
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 5: I mean beatles like like like coming into JFK. Like

1098
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 5: I'm not exaggerating and I'll just clap cap it off.

1099
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 5: And they were like, and the police came out and

1100
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 5: these girls like, we.

1101
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: Want to get in, we gotta get in, we gotta

1102
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: get in.

1103
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: You're not getting in.

1104
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 5: And I saw a fourteen year old girl get thrown

1105
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 5: into a back of the police cruiser. Now I know

1106
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 5: things have changed, but I like she deserved to be

1107
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 5: in the back of the police cruiser.

1108
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: Like she deserved that.

1109
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 6: She deserved, she earned it.

1110
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: She earned the back of that cruise with her behavior.

1111
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 5: Now we made sure that she got out, it was right,

1112
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 5: but I was like, we gotta give.

1113
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: Her a minute put her in.

1114
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 5: That That was the that was the activity, that was

1115
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 5: the energy there was around around Bet and it was

1116
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 5: it was just it's just the best thing. We talked

1117
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 5: about the business of political side of the business, which

1118
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 5: I don't want to spend that much time on tell

1119
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 5: you the shoes, but I will say days of bad

1120
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 5: meetings or board presentations or something I freaking loved at

1121
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 5: six o'clock.

1122
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: I could go to the studio.

1123
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 5: I could go to the studio and just make the connection,

1124
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 5: make the connection with the audience, like they were the

1125
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 5: livest audience there was. There was hardly ever like they

1126
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 5: really like. I didn't realize we were. I didn't realize

1127
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 5: the first that there was for that type of entertainment.

1128
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 5: I didn't really realize like t r O was their

1129
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 5: default because there was nothing else like One of Six

1130
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 5: and Park live. Like there was a lot of stuff.

1131
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 5: BT had great music shows before and video soul, but

1132
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 5: it wasn't live. It wasn't with an audience. It wasn't

1133
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 5: You couldn't see your culture with you. And so again

1134
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 5: we we we got, we got lucky in One of

1135
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 5: Six in Park.

1136
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: Uh. It lasted fourteen years, fourteen.

1137
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: Years, wow, fourteen.

1138
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: I want to say, the part was great.

1139
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 5: It was great, And nothing makes me happier than hearing

1140
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 5: people talk about how One of Six in Park was

1141
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 5: was an absolute part of their childhood, right, and it

1142
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 5: they feel about One of six Park like I do

1143
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 5: about Soul Train h m hmm.

1144
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 3: Right, and to and to be.

1145
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 5: Part of that, to be part of that absolute like that,

1146
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 5: to have entertained it's just it's it's it's it's the

1147
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 5: greatest thing in the world. I was on one of

1148
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 5: six and few times we were I wanted to me

1149
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 5: to tell it we were somewhere. We were somewhere, and

1150
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 5: they because my wife is fantastic. My wife is just

1151
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 5: the best at what she does and is amazing. And

1152
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 5: its crowds wherever she goes, and someone asks like like, like,

1153
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 5: I mean, you do you feel bad? How do you

1154
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 5: feel that your wife is so like she's so popular,

1155
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 5: and like you just in the background, I'm like, I

1156
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 5: feel great. Number one, She's the greatest in the world.

1157
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 5: I love I love supporting her. Number two.

1158
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: That was kind of part of one O six in Park.

1159
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 5: So I'm good Bet Awards one of six in part

1160
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 5: like I'm like, I'm good.

1161
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1162
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: Like my goal.

1163
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 5: Literally I got to be around music and entertain people

1164
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 5: and make people smile, like that's the thing. And without

1165
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 5: any musical talent, like that's the thing. I just got

1166
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 5: to I got to be the art I got to

1167
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 5: be the art gallery. I got to be part of

1168
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 5: our gallery, a curator of our gallery. Like, oh, this

1169
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 5: is gonna be good with that. That's gonna work. There,

1170
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 5: that's gonna work. Oh, they got a genuine, genuine with

1171
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 5: the ambulance.

1172
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 6: That's gonna be a lot of fun. That'll that'll work.

1173
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: It is.

1174
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 5: It is a great performance, genuine and genuine coming out

1175
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 5: of the stretch.

1176
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: Is just that bad acting. They said, something happened to j.

1177
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 3: He's not going to make it.

1178
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: He's not going.

1179
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, great that you said though awards. Yes, sir,

1180
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: h yeah, there was another amazing thing. Yes, that you

1181
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: were a part of curating this.

1182
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: I want to say this before you before you say

1183
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: what you're going to say. You know, I want to

1184
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: say this, and I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

1185
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to do any feather Yeah, there ruffling.

1186
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: I just you know what, Let me frame it like this.

1187
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: Let me say like, by the.

1188
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 5: Way, feathers, feathers in a cap when there's a cap

1189
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 5: means you did something really good. I learned that after

1190
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 5: the Kendrick Lamar uh destected Kendrick Lamar super feather his cap,

1191
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 5: so ruffling feathers is perfectly fine, right now, Okay, okay, okay,

1192
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 5: I just want to make that I'm gonna frame it

1193
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 5: this way.

1194
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: Things changed after Stephen Hill. Things changed, they were different,

1195
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: and I remember the times of Stephen Hill, and those

1196
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: were some great fucking times.

1197
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 5: That's all I'm gonna say. All right, that's a great statement.

1198
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 5: Glad there was no question to it. I will say this.

1199
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 5: I think it goes back to the thing that we

1200
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 5: talked about before in terms of artist preparation, artist development,

1201
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 5: and artist preparation. I think there is some the artists

1202
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 5: of now performed differently and need different things on stage

1203
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 5: than the artists earlier, right.

1204
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 6: And so I think that may be some of the

1205
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 6: thing you're you're you're noticing.

1206
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: It's it.

1207
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, yeah. I I've not missed a show. I

1208
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 5: still go and I still stand up, and I love

1209
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 5: every show.

1210
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: I think that.

1211
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 5: Actually, I think this past year was one of the

1212
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 5: best ones ever. And I and and what needs to

1213
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 5: be pointed out in I don't think it's gets enough

1214
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 5: notice is the BT Awards of twenty twenty COVID set

1215
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 5: the blueprint for how every Awards show did.

1216
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 6: No one knew how.

1217
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 5: To do award shows when COVID came around, No one like,

1218
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 5: what are we gonna do?

1219
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 3: What are we gonna do?

1220
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 5: And Connie Orlando and Jesse Collins and and Dion Dion Harmon.

1221
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 5: Uh I was supposed to say Dianicole Harmon because that's

1222
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 5: what it uh, Dion, It's it's it's like Chuck Berry

1223
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 5: playing the guitar like if you if you're now, and

1224
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 5: you're like, well, that's not really, that's really there's nothing

1225
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 5: special about that.

1226
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 6: But it was pioneering. It was like no one had

1227
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 6: done that before.

1228
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 5: And so the BT Awards twenty twenty if you look bad,

1229
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 5: I had at Lesha Keys out there and it was

1230
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 5: it was the George Floyd year as well. I mean

1231
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 5: a little baby laying down like and and was able

1232
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 5: to keep you captured with no audience, with no audience,

1233
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 5: and that's what happened for the next year. BT Awards

1234
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one was the first one to give you

1235
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 5: the little cocktail setting, like the cock the look for

1236
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 5: the cocktail tables and now what did what did?

1237
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: What did?

1238
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 3: What did the Grammys have this year?

1239
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: Will Grahams have this year?

1240
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 5: Cocktail, the little cocktails tables around. So I always want

1241
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 5: to sell it because because I don't think i'd get

1242
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 5: enough credit for being kind of the Chuck Berry, uh,

1243
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 5: coming out of COVID when no one knew knew what

1244
01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 5: to do.

1245
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: I just I don't know if the I don't And

1246
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: speaking of just times changing and maybe the artists of

1247
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: people in terms of how they view things, it just

1248
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: feels like the reverence of a thing is just different now.

1249
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 2: Like I remember. I remember, like when the BET Awards

1250
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: was coming up, like it was a frenzy for all

1251
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There wasn't gonna be anybody

1252
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: missing at the BET Awards. It wasn't gonna be anybody

1253
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: like the BT. No, I'm good on that when I'm

1254
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: just you know, it wasn't no really sitting at home

1255
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: like the top of the Top were at the BET Awards.

1256
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 5: In my time, in my yes, also in your time.

1257
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 5: And I don't think it's uh uh, it's not a coincidence.

1258
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 5: It's not a not a coincidence. What I'm I forget

1259
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 5: what to say, but you'll understand.

1260
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.

1261
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 5: BT was also involved daily in how much you got exposure,

1262
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 5: right right, those those those things are connected. I remember

1263
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 5: making can't I remember making some deals like we really

1264
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 5: would love to have you at the show, Okay, video

1265
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 5: play for this artist, because we're building this show.

1266
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: These are the things we're gonna do.

1267
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 6: And I think that's it's it, that's that's I'll use

1268
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 6: the word leverage.

1269
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: There was leverage. There was there was a there was

1270
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: a negotiation.

1271
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 5: It was a great given, there was a great given,

1272
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 5: there was a great give and take. And and I

1273
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 5: think it's still true that and they know we want

1274
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 5: you to look good, like they know everybody. We're we're

1275
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 5: into making this and and it's the thing, it's it's

1276
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 5: the thing that continues with the BET Awards.

1277
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 6: You want to make things look as best as they

1278
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 6: possibly can.

1279
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 5: I think the Hip Hop Awards gets overlooked is because

1280
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 5: the idea was make was to make hip hop shine,

1281
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 5: make something it's grimy shine as well and look looks spectacular.

1282
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: Do you as you say that?

1283
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 2: I love that you said that, because that makes a

1284
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: whole lot of sense.

1285
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,839
Speaker 1: Do you do you feel like as we have our.

1286
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 2: YouTube and our Instagram and all these things that now

1287
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: fuel our content, do you feel like we are still

1288
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 2: missing that the one thing, that one show, that one

1289
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 2: that one O six in Park that you know, kind

1290
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: of that shaped the the childhoods, that shaped the careers

1291
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 2: and shaped and brought everybody together in this one place.

1292
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 5: So I miss it. But again, once again I must

1293
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 5: remind you, I'm older. I respect that there's a generation

1294
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 5: whose discovery of music is very different than what I

1295
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 5: or we did, right. We enjoyed having curated music. We

1296
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 5: enjoyed listening to the radio and hearing what the new

1297
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 5: thing was. We enjoyed watching soul training and seeing with

1298
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 5: the new dances. We enjoyed watching one O six in

1299
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 5: Park and then going to school and sharing that thing.

1300
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 5: I think the DSPs, Spotify, Apple Music Title, all the

1301
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 5: rest of them, and YouTube made it so. Folks don't

1302
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 5: want to be curated to thet. They want to be

1303
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 5: able to make the discover themselves and go, hey this

1304
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 5: is what I discovered.

1305
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 3: Do you like it too?

1306
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: And then things got shared? Right.

1307
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 5: I think the Internet and that approach is a way

1308
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 5: that this generation enjoys it. Where we enjoyed, We loved

1309
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 5: having that central core thing. We loved being able to

1310
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 5: talk about that performance. I think award ward shows still

1311
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 5: do that. I love the chatter that existed around the

1312
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 5: the super Bowl halftime show super Bowl Halftime show this year,

1313
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 5: I loved all of the conversation around it. I got

1314
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 5: a shout out once again produced by Jesse Andon.

1315
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: Yes, because.

1316
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 5: It I still like things that unite folks and the

1317
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 5: thing about that unites them and then people don't go

1318
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 5: and have their own opinions and everybody's got their own

1319
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 5: TikTok video. But in terms of discovery of music and

1320
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 5: new music, folks like it's it's hard written. Terrestial radio

1321
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 5: is still around, but it's but it's more it's more

1322
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,560
Speaker 5: of a I want to discover it. I want to

1323
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go through things myself.

1324
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 3: But don't you think we deserve alternatives, right because we

1325
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 3: still have Jimmy Kimmel, Yes, we still have Foulon, but

1326
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 3: we have nothing for the black community or for urban music,

1327
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 3: and we you know, it's you got to roll the

1328
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 3: dice to see who's who's going to get on one

1329
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 3: of those shows, right, So, but before we've we've had

1330
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 3: so to you know, like, I completely understand and respect

1331
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 3: what you're saying. I just think that if those shows

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 3: can still exist, why can't ours, Why can't I our

1333
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: senior hall still exists? Why can a one O six

1334
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 3: in park still exists? Are as ol trained or yes?

1335
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 3: Which the times are changing, so yes, the newer versions

1336
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 3: of them, right, it's coming along. But Johnny Carson, Jimmy Fallon,

1337
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 3: now it's just you know what I mean, it's and

1338
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 3: those shows haven't changed much.

1339
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 5: But if they're not music based, right, there's a music

1340
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 5: performance on it. I think that, And that's.

1341
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like I'm saying something that just

1342
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 3: like we don't have anything where in the space honestly

1343
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 3: that an urban artist, a new R and B artist, a.

1344
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: New new actor act.

1345
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 5: So I'm I'm going to I'm going to argue for

1346
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 5: Questlove because because that show has had a few artists

1347
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 5: that I was surprised, and I know he's kind of

1348
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 5: pushing buttons behind trying to trying to get that done.

1349
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't what is that?

1350
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sorry, that's a that's a Fallon show, Jimmy

1351
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 5: Fallon tonight show the roots because.

1352
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: The roots of the roots of the band.

1353
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I get it, but it's not our show.

1354
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 3: That's it's not his show, I think because I was

1355
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 3: about to say, what's you are you talking about? You

1356
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 3: said it was so and I realized that they're the

1357
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 3: band for it his show. That's the difference between having

1358
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 3: one O six in part are having our Senior Hall,

1359
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1360
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 5: I think as soon as someone finds that there's money

1361
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 5: to be made and having a new or Senio Hall,

1362
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 5: our Senior Hall will come back. I just don't think,

1363
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 5: and especially in this climate right now, I don't see

1364
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 5: someone turning a Tonight like show and let's it's really

1365
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 5: on the Tonight show in Saturday Live right those those

1366
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 5: feel like the only places. And if you ask record folks,

1367
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 5: SNL moves the needle every once in a while it's

1368
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 5: a great performance. One of those other shows will move

1369
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 5: the needle, but it's much more for additional exposure. I

1370
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 5: think as soon as someone believes that that our Senial

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01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 5: Hall or the new Arsennial Hall or I think of

1372
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 5: this name UH is going to be better than Colbert,

1373
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 5: then Colbert will be out. But until then, until then,

1374
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 5: it's not going to happen. It's going back to the money.

1375
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 5: It's the same thing that not you know, the music

1376
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 5: people out of the out of music. You know you're

1377
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 5: going to keep it your the money. You gotta follow

1378
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 5: the money, got to follow the money. We've got to

1379
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 5: figure that out for you. I look forward to it.

1380
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 5: I look forward to being part of it.

1381
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 3: I have to continue to create platform where we can

1382
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 3: give exposure to our talent. Yes, because now you got

1383
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: to be the one percent of the one percent to

1384
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 3: get on any of their platforms. Absolutely, so we have

1385
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 3: to continue to create our own you know what I mean.

1386
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 3: And that's a big reason why we wanted you here too,

1387
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 3: just just for your knowledge of it, and you know,

1388
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 3: to give the insight to young creators that are out

1389
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 3: there and for us, for us to think of new

1390
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 3: things that we want to do. I mean, we talked

1391
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 3: about other stuff, you know, before we before we start filming.

1392
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 3: But we have to continue to create it.

1393
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 5: I think that's right and and and creators. It's it

1394
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 5: sounds corny, but like, be true to yourself. There's there's

1395
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 5: gonna be no better you than you. You may get

1396
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 5: influenced by someone else, but like just keep doing it. Look,

1397
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 5: there's no platform where you can curate like that, but

1398
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 5: my goodness, there I mean, there's so many artists who've

1399
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 5: made it big and never been on one of those

1400
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 5: platforms or never had a platform move for them and

1401
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 5: can sell out. I mean, you know, like right now,

1402
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of a Sabrina Claudia right who's never really

1403
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 5: had a huge hit record, but like has a rabid

1404
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 5: fan base who will come out and she's curated it

1405
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 5: through the internet in ways that I don't. I don't

1406
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 5: understand how to use TikTok to make a record move.

1407
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: I don't.

1408
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 5: It's it's yeah, this is it's a it's a new

1409
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 5: thing that you know. It's like my grandmother trying to

1410
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 5: ruse the remote, right, It's it's a it's a different era.

1411
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 5: But I do love that people can use YouTube and

1412
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 5: like keep putting things on YouTube, keep putting things up

1413
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 5: on TikTok, keep trying to get it out there. I

1414
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 5: think the the turn is when one of these labels

1415
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 5: take interest in you and you start you start popping,

1416
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 5: concentrate less on the popping and more. And it's so

1417
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 5: hard for a young person to do, especially when the

1418
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 5: money starts coming in. But how what what is what

1419
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 5: is three years down the line? Look like, who can

1420
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 5: I get with? Who can teach me artists?

1421
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: Development? Who can I like what.

1422
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 5: And it's so hard when you when you're young and

1423
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 5: you have nothing, you put this thing out and people like.

1424
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 3: It to look that far.

1425
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 6: You've got to have great counsel for that.

1426
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: And so.

1427
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I to get frustrated. I see these these

1428
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 5: TikTok artists who come along and they may have something

1429
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 5: really catchy and then I'm like, Okay, well let me

1430
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 5: go watch them perform live, and I'm like, and they're

1431
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 5: not even working on it. They just realize they're just

1432
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 5: they're there. They realize that they walk back and forth

1433
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 5: and uh say the lyrics, they can get the check

1434
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 5: and go home, and they believe it can that's going

1435
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 5: to that's going to keep them going today.

1436
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:33,759
Speaker 3: Don't get booked anymore.

1437
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 6: I mean and and live music is doing better than

1438
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 6: it ever has before.

1439
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 5: Right, I think there's a there's a false sense of

1440
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 5: security and the longevity when you know TikTok rapper can

1441
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 5: go out and get there and uh and and get

1442
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 5: a checked for a while and and not look at

1443
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 5: the future. I said this once before. You do have

1444
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 5: the eye of the tiger or eye of the TikTok

1445
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 5: like you like, like, right, I have the tiger means

1446
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 5: you're gonna get ready for three years from now. You're

1447
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 5: preparing yourself, you're getting your crew together, you're getting your development.

1448
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: Because I have TikTok is like.

1449
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,480
Speaker 5: I'm gonna ride this until my label drops.

1450
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 3: Me, losing in mind when TikTok was down for every

1451
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 3: many hours, you.

1452
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 6: Know, absolutely all right, test me out, test.

1453
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 1: Me out your top five R and B singers.

1454
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 5: M So, does everybody have a disclaimer before they do

1455
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 5: their top five or like everyone has a disclaimer like like, oh, it's.

1456
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 6: Hard to get five, hard to get five.

1457
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 5: These are five of my top and I'm gonna try

1458
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 5: to avoid some of the ones that you that you

1459
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 5: may always get. Uh, that's not true. That's not true,

1460
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 5: and it has to be five. I thought I was

1461
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 5: much more prepared for this than I was. I'm gonna

1462
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start with I'm gonna start with the obvious.

1463
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 5: I sent out a tweet in the year twenty eleven

1464
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 5: and it was random. It wasn't connected to anything else

1465
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 5: that I had sent out, and I just said something like,

1466
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:19,839
Speaker 5: my goodness, the most underrated singer in all of music

1467
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 5: is Chantey Moore. I said that out too, that randomly

1468
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 5: randomly in twenty eleven. Now what I imagine I di

1469
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 5: I used. I was probably listening to something and listening

1470
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 5: to her sing, and it made me write that the thing.

1471
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 5: And I know that I'm married to her, but I

1472
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 5: need you to understand that I can articulate.

1473
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 6: There's no one who makes me believe.

1474
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 5: Everything she's singing like Shante does, like when she's feeling pain.

1475
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 5: I feel that when she's back in her earlier days

1476
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 5: when she was trying to be romantic with somebody else,

1477
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 5: like I like, I feel that, like I feel that

1478
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 5: in the way she can manipulate her voice. And then

1479
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 5: if you've ever seen her do it's all right live

1480
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 5: like just just just it. It's Google Soul Train Awards

1481
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two. And what what she does with that?

1482
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 5: We used to call it whistle tone. And then we

1483
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 5: spend we spend some time in Yeah, I say, yes, Oh,

1484
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 5: we had a conversation that we sure did.

1485
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: We should strangers.

1486
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, we would spend some time in China. Another thing

1487
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 5: you should talk to my wife about when you have

1488
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 5: her on the show. And we now refer to it

1489
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 5: as the Dolphin tone. It's it's the dolphin tone. The

1490
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 5: dolphin tone. Yes, I didn't realize yeah, yeah, and so

1491
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 5: we call it whistle tone, but the people in China

1492
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 5: call it a dolphin tone. And so, but that her

1493
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 5: and her ability to really I believe the emotion. There's

1494
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 5: no one else that does it like her.

1495
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 3: To me.

1496
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 5: There's people can belt and and and technically and fine,

1497
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,759
Speaker 5: but like it's it's she and Prince who I believe

1498
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 5: what they're singing. I believe when they want to get

1499
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 5: in bed with somebody. I believe when they're angry at somebody.

1500
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 5: I believe when they're pleading so Chancey Moore. And it's

1501
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 5: not just because she's my wife, it's because she's awesome

1502
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 5: that uh, I got uput prints in there because I

1503
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 5: think he's under He's so good at everything. He's underrated

1504
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 5: at everything. Like he's just so good at everything. He's

1505
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 5: an underrated guitarist.

1506
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 3: Way to look at it, I feel like celebrated.

1507
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 6: But but as a whole, not as individual.

1508
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 3: Right, It's like we brought that up with production as

1509
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 3: far as like when they named the greatest producers, they

1510
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 3: never named Stevie wandar Prince. That's because they're so great

1511
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 3: at so many things. So I agree with that.

1512
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: It's like the package of them is like it is

1513
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: just too much, too much.

1514
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 5: Yes, Now, now I'm I think Chris Brown is unbelievable

1515
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 5: and so far ahead of everyone else of this generation.

1516
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: Now it's tough because for him, it's.

1517
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 5: It's vocals plus the package plus what he could do

1518
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 5: when he performs. So I take R and b artists

1519
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 5: that that's got to be part of it, like any

1520
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 5: anybody got to talk about has to be able to

1521
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 5: perform except maybe one uh that I mentioned, And so

1522
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 5: that's really a big part of it. Uh And I

1523
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 5: love that. I Yeah, So I think I put I put,

1524
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 5: I put Chris in there. Uh Uh. I'm just gonna

1525
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 5: say it and it's not and I'm gonna change it

1526
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 5: around because it's it's really Luthor Andros. But I want

1527
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 5: to say George Michael just because I want to say

1528
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 5: George Michael because I'm not sure how many people come

1529
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 5: on the show and talk about how great George Michael

1530
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 5: is amazing as a soul singer.

1531
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 3: Amazing.

1532
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: He is an amazing singer. Now faith.

1533
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 5: Is what it is. There's some great work he had

1534
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 5: on older where he's just his us technical singers would

1535
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 5: know much butter, but his pitch and his tone is flawless.

1536
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 6: I base a lot of this on I was fortunate.

1537
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 5: Enough to go to his MTV Unplugged in London in

1538
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety seven. It was amazing. I'm gonna send you

1539
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 5: because they only use like five songs in the show,

1540
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 5: and he did like.

1541
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 1: Fifteen or sixteen.

1542
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,560
Speaker 5: And his voice was pure the entire time. When it

1543
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 5: started to give out, literally two hours and fifteen minutes in,

1544
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 5: he called it. He said, my voice is about to

1545
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 5: give up out of I've got to go. But in

1546
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 5: terms of again a feel of of just singing vocal

1547
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 5: ability live George Michael.

1548
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 6: He's not gonna be in my top five tomorrow.

1549
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 5: I'm doing this mostly but I want to point him

1550
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 5: out as someone who probably doesn't get mentioned. And the

1551
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 5: other one is I'm gonna introduce this like this. This

1552
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 5: Scottie Pippen one of the fifty best basketball players of

1553
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 5: all time. Okay right, literally when they came up the

1554
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 5: top fifty basketball players of all time, Scottie Pippen.

1555
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: Was on it.

1556
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 5: He was on the Bulls. So he was on the

1557
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 5: Bulls with Michael Jordan. So Scottie Pippen being one of

1558
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 5: the top fifty. Of all, every other person in the

1559
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 5: top fifty was the alpha male on their time, everyone

1560
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 5: except Scottie Pippen. In every other group, Scottie Pippen would

1561
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 5: have been y'all for male r. But he was on

1562
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 5: a team and he was behind MJ. And this is

1563
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 5: how I'm introducing to you Jermaine Jackson. Mmm, Jermae, I'm

1564
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 5: introducing you to Jermaine Jackson. Castles of sand, My touch

1565
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 5: of Madness. You like me, don't you? His Marvin Gay

1566
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:20,759
Speaker 5: influenced vocals, along with his bass playing at the age

1567
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,719
Speaker 5: of sixteen in Arenas.

1568
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: Goes under noticed.

1569
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 5: Going back to Indiana, find on YouTube or on record

1570
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 5: and listen to the Base playing on the first they

1571
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 5: have a live it's a stand feeling all right on

1572
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 5: one of the one of the first three cuts. Just

1573
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 5: listen to him take off on the base and realize

1574
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 5: he is a sixteen year old who has no studio trickery,

1575
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 5: who's making the base do that live and in person

1576
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 5: while singing singing nobody else in the We don't recounting

1577
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 5: Tito as a vocalist, right, we not? We just we

1578
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 5: were good. We love the Tito. We wouldn't have the

1579
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 5: Jackson five without Tito. But my point is Jermaine had

1580
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 5: to sing and play at the same time and nail

1581
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 5: them both as a sixteen year old, and his voice

1582
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 5: only got better as he got older. On any other

1583
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 5: team except the Jackson five, he is the alpha male.

1584
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 5: He is behind him.

1585
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: J got you. I like the way you frame that.

1586
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: I love it right there.

1587
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 3: That was because I got a couple of guys like that.

1588
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah right, you got Jojo from jo Tosy. Yeah, he

1589
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 3: got from voice to man as yes you giving me

1590
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 3: a yes yes.

1591
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 5: And I have to say I because I have to

1592
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 5: say out loud Luther Vanros uh uh r, Kelly, Earth

1593
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 5: Wind and Fire. Uh uh wait wait wait wait uh.

1594
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 3: You can't with the top of the top Okay you yeah, talking.

1595
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 5: About I want, I want, I want, say George Michael

1596
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 5: and because you want people to think about like voices

1597
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 5: that that don't usually get mentioned up there, and they

1598
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 5: may not be your top five, but like they they

1599
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 5: brought it in a way that yeah, that that that

1600
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 5: that I just want I want to shout out.

1601
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 3: I want to shout out, want to.

1602
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: S Stephen Hill your top five R and B songs.

1603
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 5: Adore by Prince.

1604
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: Why not just kick it off that song?

1605
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 6: That song song turns uh what he what do you?

1606
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: What? Do you?

1607
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: What?

1608
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: He six?

1609
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 6: This year thirty six, thirty six. This year it turns

1610
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 6: thirty six this year.

1611
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 5: I still hear new things in that song every time

1612
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 5: I listen what a song it's? It's to your point

1613
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 5: about as a producer, like there's there's things buried, and

1614
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 5: I swear like there's a way he produced it, Like Okay,

1615
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 5: it's time release. So you're not going to hear this

1616
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,560
Speaker 5: in the year nineteen eighty seven. You're not going to

1617
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 5: hear this into the year two thousand and three. It's

1618
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 5: not going to pop up in the groove into two

1619
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 5: thousand and three, right, okay, okay, And then this was

1620
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 5: not gonna pop up until twenty twenty.

1621
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,759
Speaker 2: Seven, because you don't even know what it is until

1622
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: you've evolved enough to be able to hear.

1623
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 5: I think that way we're putting it, it's a great

1624
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 5: way of putting it.

1625
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 2: Like some of these guys, like you're talking about Prince,

1626
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: he was completely ahead of his time on everything. Everything

1627
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 2: He set standards, yes, yes, and then a lot of

1628
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 2: them can't be replicated.

1629
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true at all at all.

1630
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 5: He couldn't even recommend it like replicated, but he tried

1631
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 5: to with the whole nineteen ninety nine thing. He tried to.

1632
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: But for that time.

1633
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I had to limit myself to I made

1634
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 5: sure I limited myself to one Prince record or else.

1635
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 1: Just ist.

1636
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 5: Anytime, any place, m come on anytime any place is

1637
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 5: just it feels it just it you.

1638
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 3: Start moving and not even know that.

1639
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, all the way through the sound the sounds.

1640
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 3: Yes, we're still in Mina. That's what I said.

1641
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: We still We're still in Minnesota.

1642
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so and I got it. I didn't realize

1643
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 5: had two jam and Lewis's until just now. On bended me,

1644
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 5: ah On, bended on, bended me. I'm a sucker for

1645
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 5: a modulation. We know this.

1646
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 6: I'm a I'm a sucker for a modulation.

1647
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 5: And I just think that that song is so it's

1648
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 5: just so well crafted. The little vamp at the end,

1649
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 5: the harmonies. Uh, I just love I just love love that.

1650
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: It's it's verse B section hook. They're all separate parts. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

1651
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 5: They're not the same. They're not the same. They are

1652
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 5: not the same. We talked about what we talked about

1653
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 5: one Late in my Life again as a as A

1654
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 5: as A as a Jackson fan, and for me, Jackson

1655
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 5: five were on the same leg is on the same

1656
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 5: level as Michael Jackson. I loved the Jackson five. But again,

1657
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 5: I think that was his last that was his last

1658
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 5: soul song. That was a last one. That's last one

1659
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 5: where you believed he wasn't in this. I mean he

1660
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,440
Speaker 5: was crooning at the end, like, I just love the breakdown.

1661
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 5: It's funny. One of the shows I worked on the

1662
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 5: Billboard Awards a while ago, celebrating the fortieth anniversary of Thriller.

1663
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 5: We had Maxwell do it. We had Maxwell do it

1664
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 5: and Maxwell did the whole physical, physical breakdown.

1665
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: In my life.

1666
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, where did you were not alone? Is that not

1667
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 3: an R and B?

1668
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: So, I mean, like I don't, I mean it doesn't.

1669
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 3: In the end, like he really he getting to it

1670
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 3: at the end too.

1671
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm just asking he's getting.

1672
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 3: It's not about it being Lady in my Life. I

1673
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 3: get that part. But I'm saying as far as the

1674
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 3: soul in that record for him.

1675
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, like my just crying out, He's crying out, He's

1676
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 5: crying out. The song structured the song with its imitation,

1677
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 5: doesn't It doesn't.

1678
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: It's not the soul. That's what it is, delivery the soul.

1679
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 5: And then I feel comfortable saying this because you've you've

1680
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 5: heard you've heard it.

1681
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: Know what it is, the live version of Chantey Morris.

1682
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: It's all right.

1683
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 5: I have heard it a hundred times.

1684
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 1: Good about yourself.

1685
01:30:54,040 --> 01:31:01,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, As a side note, and when we come up

1686
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 5: we are on the way, I was nervous and I

1687
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 5: tell my wife I was nervous, and her pep talk

1688
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 5: was to me. It was like, don't worry about it,

1689
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 5: just be comfortable. You're one of the corniest guys that

1690
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 5: we know. So that was that was That was the

1691
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 5: pep talk. That was.

1692
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: The pep talk.

1693
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 5: So because because I say that, because I did that

1694
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 5: so I could have time to get I've heard it

1695
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 5: a hundred times and every single time, and it's not

1696
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 5: just the dolphin tone at the end, it is it

1697
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 5: is what that's And another thing, it's it's what that

1698
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 5: song means and how it sounds different every time, and

1699
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 5: how she how it's just to feel it's not.

1700
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 3: And I can find it. It is.

1701
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: It's new.

1702
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 5: It feels new every every time. And so uh, I

1703
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 5: like the recorded version, but it wouldn't make my top five.

1704
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 5: Live version makes my top five live version makes my

1705
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 5: top five.

1706
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, that was yeah, I felt that

1707
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: one's the Corneus guy. We know I love man.

1708
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 2: You're all right, mister, yes, sir man many wonders. Let's

1709
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 2: make a vulturon. You're a super r and b artists.

1710
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 2: We want to know where you're going to get the

1711
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,480
Speaker 2: vocal from the performance style, the styling of the artists.

1712
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 6: Oh passion, they're different people.

1713
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 2: They are all different people to make one great yeah. Yeah,

1714
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 2: So who you're going to get the vocal from? One

1715
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 2: vocal for your super r and b artists.

1716
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 5: I am going back to my tweet of two Thy eleven.

1717
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 1: I'm going with my wife, my wife, my wife. Yeah, Like,

1718
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that's on record.

1719
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:58,679
Speaker 3: I'm so glad.

1720
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 5: I showed that to her early relationship, so she did

1721
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 5: not think I was fronting.

1722
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: I was.

1723
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, like, I'm going to her because I'm going

1724
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 5: to need emotion. I'm going to want a I think

1725
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 5: Freddie Mercury did a brilliant job on Bohemian Rhapsody of

1726
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 5: taking us up and down and all the way through

1727
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 5: so many I think, I think too many places. Absolutely

1728
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 5: in one song five minutes fifty five seconds. If I'm

1729
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 5: not mistaken, that's what that song was. I believe my

1730
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 5: wife could do the same thing if given the task.

1731
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 2: Soote voice voice Johntey Moore performance style on stage.

1732
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 5: That one's tough. That one's tough because I love energy

1733
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 5: and I'm taking I'm taking nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety prints,

1734
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 5: I'm taking new I'm taking Nude Tour prints, Nude Nude Tour.

1735
01:33:54,120 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 5: Prince was athletic, was he was? Yeah, nineteen ninety New Tour,

1736
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 5: the long the long hair, you had, the long hair.

1737
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 5: The tour never came to the States, but it was,

1738
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 5: I mean he was. You can look it up, you

1739
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 5: can say it online, you can sit it online. So

1740
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 5: that nineteen ninety Prince performance style. And it was hard.

1741
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: It's hard.

1742
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 6: It was hard not to take Michael Jackson Victory Tour.

1743
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: It was hard.

1744
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 5: It was hard not taking that one. But overall, I

1745
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 5: gotta take nineteen ninety.

1746
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 1: Prints, okay, Chante Moore, Prince, the styling of the artists,

1747
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: the drip, the presentation, kink.

1748
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 5: M h that one okay, because I am not a

1749
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 5: man of sartorial splendor. I don't dress that good, so

1750
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 5: I don't really it really? Is it a thing I

1751
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 5: gotta go with? In nineteen oh, I didn't pick I

1752
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 5: know cause I picked prin I don't feel bad nineteen

1753
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 5: seventy one. Jackson five, Easy good, I'm good nineteen seventy one,

1754
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 5: Jackson five, Yes, loved it, Love loved. They were the

1755
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 5: first group who understood they didn't have to have uniforms

1756
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 5: on to be dope. They were the first real singing

1757
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,600
Speaker 5: group who weren't wearing matching suits matching. They were individual

1758
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 5: They allowed themselves to be individuals.

1759
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: Jackson five were first. I don't know that. The history

1760
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, and the passion of the artists, the

1761
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: heart of the artists who who what you mean?

1762
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 3: It mean it?

1763
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay?

1764
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 5: So I since I mentioned my wife already and I

1765
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 5: mentioned that's exactly the thing that she does, and I

1766
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 5: mentioned that about Prince, I kind of want to I

1767
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 5: kind of want to go with someone else and challenge

1768
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 5: myself to go with someone else on that.

1769
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars, Bruno Mars.

1770
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 3: I feel comfortable that, I feel good, Yeah, I feel

1771
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 3: good with that.

1772
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: With that, I feel good with that. I feel I

1773
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,600
Speaker 1: feel great about that. Actually, I'm extremely gonne.

1774
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 5: My favorite, my favorite, my favorite former to come to

1775
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:17,839
Speaker 5: prominence in the twenty first century is Bruno.

1776
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 2: I liked him, I liked him on radio, and then

1777
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 2: you say I became a fan of him live.

1778
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: That's it I mean when I say that, I mean love.

1779
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 3: I mean love.

1780
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm always so. He delivers on record, for sure, no

1781
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 1: doubt about it.

1782
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 3: You're supposed to love the artist more after you get

1783
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 3: to see him, yes.

1784
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 2: Live, Yes, I said, Oh he's him.

1785
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a guy.

1786
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 5: He does that thing that I love when artists do.

1787
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,719
Speaker 5: They put the bangers that will never be played on radio,

1788
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 5: but are so soulful as the very last song on

1789
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,600
Speaker 5: the record. You can go back, you can check the

1790
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 5: very last song on the record. I Cat Gorilla, Uh,

1791
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 5: the one, the one he wrote with Babyface is on

1792
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 5: Uh is on the one, there's on twenty four Carrot

1793
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 5: and then blast off on on on Silk Sonic.

1794
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 6: His last songs of every album are just.

1795
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 3: What he chooses.

1796
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 6: His last song is done on purpose.

1797
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm gonna be black at.

1798
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: Show.

1799
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 2: You are really show you what I really did? Well,

1800
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 2: You're you're an Almanack.

1801
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: I love it.

1802
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 5: I love this stuff. I love this stuff. I appreciate you.

1803
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:39,600
Speaker 5: I appreciate I appreciate it. I just do appreciate it.

1804
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:41,719
Speaker 3: So we at the very very important part of the show,

1805
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 3: and what's that? Will you tell us the story funny

1806
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 3: or fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? The only

1807
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 3: route to this game is you can't say no name.

1808
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 3: I can't say any name. That's the name. You can't

1809
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 3: say no names.

1810
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 5: I'm kind of looking for a nod baby, you're looking

1811
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 5: for Okay, no names. The thing is no names. So

1812
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 5: I was I'm not gonna say the name of the show.

1813
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 5: I feel better if I do.

1814
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Don't.

1815
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 5: Okay, there was a show. There was a show that

1816
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 5: myself and and other people were working on. We were

1817
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 5: celebrating an accomplishment. I can't use any names. It's good.

1818
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 5: We celebrating an accomplishment of an artist. And they had

1819
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 5: a milestone number to their album. We wanted this artist

1820
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 5: for it, and we questioned it and we thought about

1821
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 5: it and we're like, let's go, and so to do this.

1822
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 5: I was not an MTV. I wasn't a bet at

1823
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 5: the time. So I was with a company, and we

1824
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 5: had to get a network approval. And we'll say that

1825
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 5: there are two people who were with, two people who

1826
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 5: worked with directly, and two people.

1827
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 3: Who were in the clouds, like the head of everything to.

1828
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 1: Be work with.

1829
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 5: So we go to two people we work with and

1830
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 5: go like, we would like to have this this uh,

1831
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 5: this person do this thing for this artist and they're like, uh,

1832
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 5: the person's a male. It would be awesome if we

1833
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 5: could find some female talent to also do this thing.

1834
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 5: But that made sense every with everything there was in

1835
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 5: the atmosphere, that made perfect sense. So we go to

1836
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 5: the artists and go like, can you find female talent?

1837
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 5: And this person found amazing female talent to be part

1838
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 5: of this, to be part of this, and so we're excited.

1839
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 5: Go back to our two people of the network. They're excited,

1840
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 5: Oh this will work, this will this will absolutely work.

1841
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 6: We go back, You're in. It's going to be great.

1842
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 5: This artist gets to work right away because this artist

1843
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:11,480
Speaker 5: understands gets to work right away and is really ensconsin

1844
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 5: and really has every brings every for rehearsals and makes

1845
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 5: videos of the progress and sends them sends them to us,

1846
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 5: and we're blown away. M right, and we show them

1847
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 5: to the little and all great the uh, the two

1848
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:39,719
Speaker 5: people here didn't tell the two people here, uh what

1849
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 5: like what the what the plan was and who who

1850
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 5: was going to do it and was and and for

1851
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:49,520
Speaker 5: whatever reason that the two people uh in the stratosphere

1852
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 5: uh did not like.

1853
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: What was going to go down.

1854
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 5: And after lots of back and forth, as an aside,

1855
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 5: I admit I was used to bt I got to

1856
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 5: be the final word, like when it came to the orgin,

1857
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,879
Speaker 5: I got to be the final word. So I'm I'm kind.

1858
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 3: Of used to that, thinking it is about to go

1859
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 3: that way.

1860
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 5: Right, especially since we got network sign off. So but

1861
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 5: one of the things I had the final word, enters

1862
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 5: into the next conversation cause I'm like, well, there's no

1863
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 5: way we just got to convince that's going to happen

1864
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 5: because we get to do this, and that's not the

1865
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 5: way it worked with the structure, And so we had

1866
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 5: to pull the offer from that artist, and three months

1867
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 5: later I wasn't working at that place anymore, and that

1868
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:48,480
Speaker 5: was fine. But what I've articulated to you is literally,

1869
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 5: of all of the experiences I've ever had in my career,

1870
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 5: the one I am most sad about the one I

1871
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 5: am most apologetic to that artist about not everything is

1872
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 5: not everything is perfect. But what I've always what I've

1873
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 5: always said, no matter who you represent, you can give

1874
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 5: me a yes, you can give me a no. Don't

1875
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 5: give me a yes and turn it into a no. Right,

1876
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,800
Speaker 5: I've got to be able to depend on these read

1877
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 5: these representatives have done the thing they're supposed.

1878
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: To do before we go to artists.

1879
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I'm like, I didn't mention any names, right,

1880
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,679
Speaker 5: but if you want to see a really good tribute

1881
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 5: to an iconic artist, look that thing up on YouTube

1882
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 5: because it is there. And an epilogue was people saying

1883
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 5: we were trying to say no, they didn't tell us.

1884
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 3: We didn't know, and they didn't know.

1885
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 5: And finally we had to go, like, you see the

1886
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 5: amount of work that was put into this video.

1887
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 6: Do you think that just happened after a day.

1888
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 5: Don't you think we had had the yes for a

1889
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 5: while for this amount of work to go in it?

1890
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 1: Yep?

1891
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 6: And the response was a very very eloquent, articulate.

1892
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:03,679
Speaker 3: Mhm. It is my least favorite time of my entire career.

1893
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: It was. It was I think it's horrible.

1894
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,679
Speaker 5: I By the way, I haven't seen that artist since,

1895
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 5: and I hope I do one day because I want

1896
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 5: to apologize.

1897
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: And I know because I know that artist was was.

1898
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 1: It was a my.

1899
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,719
Speaker 5: Favorite moment because now I got I gotta turned around,

1900
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:21,600
Speaker 5: because that was that that that got me in a

1901
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 5: place I don't like to go. Watching Prince take over

1902
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 5: a band. As we were celebrating Shaka Khan with Prince,

1903
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 5: Yolanda Adams, Stevie Wonder and India are on stage. That

1904
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 5: was a tribute and we're we're so we we booked

1905
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 5: them all and we're out out at uh sound stage.

1906
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 1: It's called sound stage near the airport. Airport.

1907
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 5: We're out of sound stage and the music director because

1908
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 5: it's not Prince's band, it's the band that we had.

1909
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 1: For the show. The Prince walks in and he listened.

1910
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 5: Prince has that moment when he expresses exactly how he

1911
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:04,599
Speaker 5: feels on.

1912
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 6: His face and then he fixes it right. That's you

1913
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 6: can see that.

1914
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 5: You can see that a lot of plays, there's a

1915
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:11,520
Speaker 5: lot of memes of him.

1916
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 6: The mic is own. Yeah, you know all these so

1917
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 6: there was that moment.

1918
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 5: You see it, and then he couldn't have been kinder

1919
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 5: He went to the music record and said, do you

1920
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 5: mind if I talked to the musicians about how we

1921
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 5: approached this, and watching Prince go to every instrument and

1922
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 5: being really like, he's freaking Prince, So every instrumentalist it

1923
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 5: was like I'm being talked to by Prince. And Prince

1924
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 5: could have gone anyway, but he could not have been

1925
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 5: kinder and more gentle about what about trying this approach?

1926
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 1: We try what if we try this approach? Oh? What

1927
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 1: if this?

1928
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 5: We do this segue? And to watch him do that

1929
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 5: was masterful and then the results you can just watch

1930
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 5: it up. I think it was two thousand and six

1931
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 5: Chaka Khan tribute and he's having a blast. He had

1932
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:58,480
Speaker 5: a he had a blast.

1933
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 1: On the guitar.

1934
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 5: He didn't he sang background. I think his favorite, his

1935
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 5: favorite I was singing tell Man, tell him and tell

1936
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 5: me So that that was that was it was. It

1937
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:11,800
Speaker 5: was anytime I got to work with Prince. It was

1938
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,720
Speaker 5: just it was just time I got into work with princes.

1939
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 1: Save Prince.

1940
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 5: I'm sorry I mention that, and I mentioned that stay

1941
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 5: with friends with Prince, But you weren't there, were you?

1942
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

1943
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 3: Save you friends?

1944
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 1: Oh time to go.

1945
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 6: I've taken up to I've taken up far too much

1946
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 6: of your time. What he used to make fun of

1947
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 6: me because I like, like I would.

1948
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 5: I was the guys, you know, I'm at the content,

1949
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 5: I'm at the guy in the concert and I'm screaming

1950
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 5: on the lungs out I'm dancing, and I don't care

1951
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 5: if I'm an executive like that.

1952
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 6: I feel comfortable saying.

1953
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 5: He's an executive you've ever experienced who acts at a concert

1954
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 5: like I do?

1955
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:50,559
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable.

1956
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 3: I feel comfortable saying.

1957
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 5: And so I would do it at a Prince concert

1958
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 5: and I and I loved seeing Prince, and so it

1959
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 5: was this kind of way of making fun of me.

1960
01:45:57,960 --> 01:45:59,559
Speaker 5: He'd bring me up when he brought people on stays

1961
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 5: to dance, bring me on stage to dance. But this

1962
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 5: one time, Uh, he had one of those parties in

1963
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,719
Speaker 5: his house, in his living room, and the band's playing

1964
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 5: here and they're here, and uh, I forget the woman

1965
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 5: who was the singer at the time.

1966
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 1: No, I don't.

1967
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 5: I don't forget uh Tamar Tamar.

1968
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

1969
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 5: And we didn't know each other. Time said who knows

1970
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 5: who knows play that funky music? And so I put

1971
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 5: my hand up and I come on stage. I come,

1972
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 5: you know, it's not stage like you step over the

1973
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 5: monitor and you're right there, and and she goes, what's

1974
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 5: your name?

1975
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 3: I said, my name is Stephen Hill.

1976
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 5: And so Prince is on his on on stage stage right,

1977
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 5: just playing guitar like do love, and Stephen Hill was like,

1978
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 5: Stephen Hill, Oh, this is gonna be fun, and so

1979
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 5: they kick into it. I sing the first verse of

1980
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 5: I'll play that funky music. It was like playing in

1981
01:46:57,920 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 5: the rock and roll band, no problems rolling down in

1982
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 5: the I stay and so I do.

1983
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 1: I do it. I'm dancing and singing and they're playing

1984
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: along and I'm having a great time.

1985
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, I think this one vodka making

1986
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 3: me sound good.

1987
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 11: Playing that music, white boy playing me And so you

1988
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 11: played it funk music till you die, till you die,

1989
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:19,799
Speaker 11: And something made me turn to my right and so go, Prince,

1990
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 11: why don't you playing one of those funk guitar solos

1991
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 11: for me right now?

1992
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 6: She looks at me, stumps.

1993
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 7: The pedal on and gives one of those of like

1994
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:36,560
Speaker 7: and then and then rips off and goes and goes bananas,

1995
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 7: and I walk.

1996
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:39,679
Speaker 1: Off the stage.

1997
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to your band with you.

1998
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is fucking great, bro.

1999
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 5: I walk I walked off the stage because it's never

2000
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 5: going to get better than that.

2001
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 3: Never. And then it got better than that. That was

2002
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 3: your bit though, and then but then it got better than.

2003
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 5: That because he had After that he finished performing, I

2004
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 5: go sit on side, and I'm sitting on side with

2005
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 5: like all of my peers at BT at the time,

2006
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 5: and most of them were out there because they didn't

2007
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 5: really care about the music. There was only a couple

2008
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 5: of in there. They didn't really see it. And I

2009
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 5: was telling you about it, and like someone are like, yeah, whatever.

2010
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 5: Prince walks out, walks by and said, get you gear.

2011
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 5: You gotta be in the tour bus pretty soon. Keeps walking.

2012
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:32,679
Speaker 3: Is great.

2013
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 1: One more story, enough, cook.

2014
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 3: More sorry, one more.

2015
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 1: Story and now I promise you'll stop it. I'll stop

2016
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: at this good story. Uh.

2017
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 5: He was doing twenty one nights in London. I'll make it, really,

2018
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,639
Speaker 5: I'm making I'm gonna get quick. I'm gonna and I'm

2019
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 5: going to leave. I'm gonna leave the Amy Whitehouse and

2020
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 5: fade done away part out of.

2021
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 3: It because it'll take too long.

2022
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 1: Uh. He had a song came out.

2023
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:01,240
Speaker 5: I think it was he had some video that had

2024
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,839
Speaker 5: a friend that had a Spanish title, Uh, Corazon meet Corason.

2025
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 5: I think it was called video We wanted me to

2026
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:08,600
Speaker 5: He wanted me to see it. I was there with

2027
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 5: my with my boy Ashley, and so there's that, there's

2028
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 5: that the big room where everybody else, and then there's

2029
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 5: like his his room where he is. And we go

2030
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 5: back to his room and there's a keyboard and there's

2031
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 5: a monitor, and there's a computer where he was on

2032
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 5: Prince dot org. I remember that very well. He was

2033
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 5: on Prince dot org.

2034
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

2035
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 5: And then he played he played, Uh, he played the video.

2036
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 5: He's a great video. And in the other monitor, he's

2037
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 5: looking at while I'm looking at the video, he's looking

2038
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 5: at a he's looking at his show from that night.

2039
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 5: He's he's because you know, again, artist development, you stay,

2040
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,719
Speaker 5: you stay on it like he's Prince and he's still

2041
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,559
Speaker 5: watching it to find a way to get better in

2042
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,840
Speaker 5: I forget the year now two thousand and call it

2043
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 5: nine ten. I don't I can't remember whatever that twenty

2044
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 5: one days and so and so uh finished look oh

2045
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 5: love the video, and we were all kind of looking

2046
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,280
Speaker 5: at the at the at the screen for that, and

2047
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 5: there was the point where he did a mixture of

2048
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 5: Freak Out the Freak and Sexy Dancer. We mashed them together,

2049
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 5: and uh, my friend was like, oh, I really loved

2050
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:16,960
Speaker 5: I really loved the way he did Uh he did

2051
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 5: Sexy Dance. Wait, Sexy Dancer in the Freak And then

2052
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 5: either I or he said like, but I really what

2053
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 5: I really missed was like, I really always loved the

2054
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 5: piano solo in Sexy Dancer. And he goes, you mean

2055
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:37,160
Speaker 5: this and plays little solo on the keyboard and just

2056
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 5: turns back to the screen.

2057
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 1: That was Prince.

2058
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 5: No, I don't know. It's only one and we're both

2059
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:48,200
Speaker 5: and we to this day we look at each other

2060
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 5: like we're both glad the other.

2061
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: One was there so we can.

2062
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 3: Here like that.

2063
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 1: Oh you mean like this anyhow? Wow?

2064
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 2: Anyhow, Bro's it feels like there's no place you haven't been.

2065
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:12,680
Speaker 5: I am Forrest Gump. I am, I am. There's a

2066
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 5: way to say black Forest Gump. I'm figuring that out

2067
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 5: Forrest Gump. But yeah, and the luckiest and the luckiest

2068
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 5: guy in the world. I love music and I can't

2069
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 5: perform it.

2070
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:25,160
Speaker 2: But I feel like you've been in all of but

2071
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 2: you're so deserving of it because you're appreciative of.

2072
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:36,800
Speaker 5: Great yes and respectful, constantly, constantly thank you. I love

2073
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:39,439
Speaker 5: that that is. I love that you recognize that.

2074
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I just I just I so.

2075
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 5: Respect talent and talent. I think that that hones their

2076
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:51,639
Speaker 5: craft and really keeps moving it forward is everything.

2077
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 3: And we'll tell you why you're here. You're a reason

2078
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 3: why we do our show. What do you mean Like

2079
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 3: you are somebody that we would have pitched this show to,

2080
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 3: you know, I'm saying. So we thought about like doing

2081
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 3: something like this is like you know, you're you're a

2082
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 3: thought of like oh no, like with Steven Hill with.

2083
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:14,439
Speaker 1: This, well, how would he approach it?

2084
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 3: And now that you're here.

2085
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 5: Absolutely, but thank you man, No, thank you. I'm not

2086
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 5: I'm not kidding. I was really nervous coming in. Uh,

2087
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:30,479
Speaker 5: but this was one of the best conversations I've had

2088
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 5: about I love having conversations about music and and with

2089
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 5: with musicians top five and so thank you.

2090
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 2: I think we more importantly felt like people needed to

2091
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 2: really know what you are because people people will hear

2092
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:51,920
Speaker 2: the name, people will will have light interaction, people will

2093
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 2: will understand your position, but not necessarily understand you.

2094
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 1: Not necessarily hear you, listen to me. I am.

2095
01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 5: I am in a whole bunch of therapy, trying to

2096
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 5: understand me.

2097
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 1: Understand me.

2098
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, in my mind, you are the

2099
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:18,839
Speaker 2: You are the ultimate creative, and you are the ultimate

2100
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 2: champion of creatives. And and for that again we say,

2101
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,640
Speaker 2: we say thank you you like like you are. You

2102
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 2: are important, highly important.

2103
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 5: That that means a lot us to this universe, really

2104
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 5: means a lot to me. I mean that so thoroughly

2105
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:38,480
Speaker 5: and wholeheartedly.

2106
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Tank, and this is

2107
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 2: the Army Money Podcast, the authority on all things R

2108
01:53:46,560 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 2: and B and all things everywhere anywhere. Prince Friends was

2109
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 2: in his band. That's all I'm gonna say. That is

2110
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:03,720
Speaker 2: the gentleman, steeping head of your com