1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Here's a question we asked ourselves several years back. How 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: many faces should a monster have in Japan? The correct 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: answer is twenty one. That's not really how we got 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: to this story. But this is like an earlier classic 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: on the Summer to Man or Tom and Shut. This 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: is another unsolved mystery, and the thing about this one 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: is that it's quite possible to people behind it are 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: still alive today. This is weird almost terrorism. It is terrorism, 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: just it is not in the way maybe we think 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: about it. You know, the actual word being terrorized is 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: happening here. It has to. It's not corporate espionage necessarily. 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it is. There was a cabal. There was a 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: real life shadowy cabal terrorizing candy companies in Japan. People 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: assume it's more than one person because they call themselves 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: the monster with twenty one faces. But we don't. We 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe you do. Let us let us know, 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: because this is another unsolved mystery. We would love, we 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: would love to hear your take on this from UFOs 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: two Ghosts and Government cover Ups. History is riddled with 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to now. Dear dumb police 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: officers don't tell a lot. All crimes begin with a lie, 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: as we say in Japan. Don't you know that? Why 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: don't you keep it to yourself? You seem to be 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: at a loss, so why not let us help you. 26 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: We'll give you a clue. We entered the factory by 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: the front gate. The typewriter re used is pan writer. 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: The plastic container we used was a piece of street garbage, 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: signed monster with twenty one faces. Welcome to the show, 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. What you just heard was an excerpt 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: from the subject of today's episode, as read by our 32 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: very own Matt Frederick. That's me, Hello, welcome to the show. 33 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: Hey Matt, thanks for coming. Uh and my name is Ben. 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: Of course, as always, we are here with with nol 35 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: uh fox eyes brown? About that? No, the fox eyed 36 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: brown he's gesturing us and what I assumed to be 37 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: the common sign of the fox side. Oh and the 38 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: fox call and the fox call. We're not going to 39 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: ask you to do alright, alright, that was too far. 40 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: No there, Oh my god, he did it. It's true. Yeah, 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: as an armchair fox expert, yeah or fox putologist the 42 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: word I just made up. Uh. So I can verify 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: that if that, if that were actually a Fox and 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: where I actually Fox expert. So here is our audio 45 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: follow up to an earlier video that we created about 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: unsolved crimes. Previously, we covered the famous tomm or Toman 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: shut case, the case of the summerton Man. Just I 48 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: just want to say, I've always heard it as tom 49 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: mum with an end should, but then upon our research, 50 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: we realized, no, it's it's always been tom um should always. 51 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: That's what that was what was written on the note. Yeah, 52 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's interesting because you know, it might 53 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: this is something that listeners can can help us with, 54 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: perhaps because as you know, some languages that are non 55 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: Romance or non Latin languages have some difficulty with translation, right, 56 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: which is why for a long time, uh, they were 57 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: Probably if you're old enough, you may remember in your 58 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: lifetime some names of cities have changed, like Bombay became Mumbai, 59 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: uh pick cking Beijing, things like that. So this might 60 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: be a case of Fitzgerald, the author who did the 61 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: translation of the Rubiat which we refer. This may be 62 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: a case of him uh using maybe an outdated nomenclature 63 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: or something like that. Neither you or I speak FARSI 64 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: is that correct? No? No, I mean it is correct 65 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: and Okay, Well, the Srton case was only one of 66 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: the cases we mentioned in the video. We also mentioned, uh, 67 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: some bizarre spree killings in Belgium, some feet that were 68 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: showing up all over the place in the northwest north 69 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: Pacific northwest. Yeah, and we also mentioned one other case, 70 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: one of the most famous unsolved cases in Japanese criminal history, 71 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: and that is what is known as the Monster with 72 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: twenty one faces met. What you just read at the 73 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: top of the show was a quote from an actual 74 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: letter sent to some police departments. Uh, I have kind 75 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: of taunting at very much taunting the police departments. Yeah, 76 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: as things were kicking into high gears. So let's go 77 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: ahead and just start at the beginning. What what happened? 78 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: How did this case begin? Well, it all begins with 79 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: this candy company called Glico in Japan. Uh And like 80 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: all other companies, Glico has a CEO. So their their 81 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: CEO's name was Katsuhisa Ezaki. And these two armed masked 82 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: men broke into Katsuhisa's mother's house and stole a key, 83 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: uh from for his house. Okay, from his mom, and 84 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: this was when this happened. Uh. The they did some 85 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: some pretty heinous things. They bound some people up right, 86 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: They tied up his wife and uh one of his 87 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: children and cut the telephone cords. They raided the bathroom 88 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: where they found the CEO and his other two kids hiding. 89 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: That's right. And then they abducted abducted the CEO, and 90 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: they held him hostage at a warehouse. Uh. They issue 91 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: a ransom as well, for one billion yen and one 92 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: ms of gold bars. Uh. That's got to be a 93 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: tense situation if you're the CEO of the company and 94 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: you wonder, well, one billion yen on of gold, what's 95 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: going to happen to me? What's the board can't do? 96 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: Is the board going to cut their losses and be like, yeah, sorry, 97 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: we can find another ceo. Uh. Luckily he did not 98 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: have to address that, uh frightening question. Uh. And and 99 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: you know he didn't have to get to the ultimate 100 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: answer because he managed to escape the warehouse three days later. However, 101 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: he was not able to identify any of his abductors. 102 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: And this was far from over. Yeah, so these guys 103 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: had masks on I'm assuming they wore them. The whole time. 104 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: So I mean, when once you're out and you're trying 105 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: to figure out who these people are, if you don't 106 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: have clear motive already beforehand, then how do you know 107 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: who these guys are? That's that is a scary, scary situation. 108 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: So a few weeks later, a couple other things happen 109 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: that some vehicles that are in the parking lot at 110 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: Glico or on fire. Then there is a container of 111 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: hydrochloric acid um and and a letter that accompanied right yeah, 112 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: and a threatening letter written to Glico itself. They were 113 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: found in Ibaraki. And let me take a moment here 114 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: to point out that my Japanese is going to be terrible. 115 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: My pronunciations, uh and thank you to everybody in the 116 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Summerton case. There were people who wrote in and said, hey, guys, 117 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: your your pronunciation of the Australian stuff not that bad. 118 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah we did, Okay, Well we have we have some 119 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: really supportive audience. Yea A C plus B maybe so 120 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: this uh so the Japanese is not going to be 121 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: spot on here. But the warehouse where this guy was 122 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: originally held hostage, that's where this that's the same town 123 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: that this letter came to and this was the first 124 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: and a string of letters from a person or a 125 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: group of people dubbing itself the Monster with one Faces. 126 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: Interesting side note here, they didn't make up that name. No, No, 127 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: it's based off of a Japanese detective series, I believe, 128 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: which is fictional. Uh And but it's pretty well known 129 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: in Japan. It's named after the villain in one of 130 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: those detective in that detective series. Uh. These letters claim 131 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: that Glico candies were laced with potassium cyanide soda, meaning 132 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: that it would quite possibly kill people who ate it. Yeah, 133 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: and if not kill them, make them very very very ill. 134 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: And you can't have that if you're a large company 135 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: like that. That this is just not this is not 136 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: a good idea to allow this product to go out. 137 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: So Glico, as you might assume, they pulled, they pulled 138 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: their their stuff off the shelves. But they didn't just 139 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: pull the possibly contaminated ones. They just pulled everything. They 140 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: pulled a lot of stuff. And they were also they 141 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: were doing this based entirely on the threat. Yes, there 142 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: was not evidence found that time, but this was a 143 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: massive loss for the company, twenty one million dollar loss 144 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: and keep in mind this is in the eighties. Uh, 145 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: and they had the layoff almost five dred employees because 146 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: of this expense, and that's a twenty one million dollar 147 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: US right yeah, yeah, yeah, not yet and uh, after 148 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: months of tormenting Glico, the monster it's twenty one faces, 149 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: uh forgives them, says we forgive Glico and that was 150 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: their final letter. But they weren't done yet. But it's crazy. 151 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: I guess they they caused enough damage. I'm trying to 152 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: put my head in the mind of these the monster 153 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: twenty one faces. Just I guess they saw that the 154 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: company had been i defeated in a way, at least 155 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: according to their standards, so they're like, you know what, 156 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: it's okay, guys were cool. So they moved on and 157 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: they they turned their sights on a couple other companies 158 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: who produced food um oh Man Marudai, ham House Foods 159 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: Corporation and Fujia, Right yeah, and this this was straight 160 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: up extortion pretty much, right. Uh. And at the time 161 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: in Japan, it's important to note that this was a 162 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: campaign of over terror. You know, people were some for 163 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: the first time, were terrified about the possibility of crime 164 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: because Japan in comparison to a lot of other countries, 165 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: is a very safe place. You know, this is this 166 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: is not the place where you would think you would 167 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: accidentally die because you ate you bought some pockey, which is, 168 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: by the way, my my favorite, my favorite thing that 169 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: Glico makes. You know what I'm talking about, the little 170 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. Don't get the strawberry. I'm not I'm 171 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: not a fan of strawberry, and I have no illusions 172 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: about the nutritional value or lack there of a man 173 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: that chocolate sauce stuff is on point anyway. So they 174 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: told made that they would stop harassing this company if 175 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: one of their employees gave him ransom money fifty million years, 176 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: specifically on a train. So the police forces have an 177 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: investigator disguise himself as an employee, and while he's disguises 178 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: an employee, they don't see exactly the place where they're 179 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: instructed to hand off the money because they're supposed to 180 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: like throw it from a training kind of but they 181 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: do see a guy later becomes the prime suspect as 182 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: a representative of the monster twenty one faces, and that 183 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: is the so called fox Eyed Man, which goes back 184 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: to your nickname today. No, the man was well built, 185 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: he had short hair and it was permed, and he 186 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: was and he was described as having eyes like those 187 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: of a fox. So after this police officer, investigator dress 188 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: his employee drops the ransom, he and this other guy 189 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: try to follow the fox eyed man, but they lose him. 190 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: And then they get another close chance to catch him again, 191 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: but he evades them again. He's pretty good at it. 192 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: It feels so cinematic to me. It feels like this 193 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: is a script that was written. But no, No, ladies 194 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, this happened. Yeah. And after the after this 195 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: event and during these close calls, the monster is mailing 196 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: more harassing letters towards the police. And a year later, 197 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: after a year of unsuccessfully investigating this finding no leads, 198 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: catching no criminals, the police superintendent, a fellow named Yamamoto, 199 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: commits suicide because of this case, and he does it 200 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: by setting himself on fire, allegedly because he's ashamed of 201 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: his failure to capture the fox eyed man. So five 202 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: days after the death, little less than a week, the 203 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: Monster of twenty one faces sends a final letter to 204 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: the media, Matt, do you want to do the honors? 205 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: Sure Yamamoto of Shiga Prefecture Police died. How stupid of him. 206 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: We've got no friends or secret hiding place, and she 207 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: got it's Yoshino or Shikata who should have died. What 208 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: have they been doing for as long as one year? 209 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: In five months? Don't let bad guys like us get 210 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: away with it. There are many more fools who want 211 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: to copy us. No career. Yamamoto died like a man, 212 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: so we decided to give our condolence. We decided to 213 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: forget about torturing food making companies. If anyone blackmails any 214 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: of the food making companies, it's not us, but someone 215 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: copying us. We are bad guys. That means we've got 216 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: more to do other than bullying companies. It's fun to 217 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: lead a bad man's life. Monster with twenty one faces 218 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: And with that, the monster at twenty one faces did 219 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: not surface again, or at least hasn't hasn't been seen 220 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: to surface. So this crime, this series of creams, remains 221 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: unsolved seventeen months from the initial kidnapping to the asked 222 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: known letter, what you heard part of there? And this 223 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: was a historical and historical hinge. You know? This turn 224 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: the public perception of a crime free and safe Japan, 225 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: and it leaves us with a lot of questions. One 226 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: one thing that people would say is that the suspects 227 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: would most likely be yakuza, you know, the organized crime 228 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: rings of Japan. It certainly seems like there was a 229 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: lot of organization going on, coordinating where to be and when, 230 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: knowing information about their victims. And in j statute of 231 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: limitations ran out for the kidnapping an assault, and then 232 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: in two thousand the limitations for the poisoned food products 233 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: also expired. So what's interesting is the fox seybe man 234 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: as well as some other unidentified guy in a hat 235 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: we're seeing different times during the sevent months. The guy 236 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: in the hat was actually seen putting food onto a shelf, 237 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: uh so, actually participating in the in the poison right. 238 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: So after the after the release of the identicate, you know, 239 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: to try to find the perpetrator in the Tokyo Metropolitan 240 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: Police believe the culprit was a guy named Manabu Miyazaki 241 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: or U mr M which is kind of a cool name, 242 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: uh he. And it's because he had in V six 243 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: released a tape about supporting a union that was in 244 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: a labor dispute with Glico way back in seventy six, 245 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: and it's set and according to the police, this had 246 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities to the tone of letters sent 247 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: by Monster with one faces could be motive. And in 248 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: seventy six and seventy five there were whistleblowing incidents that 249 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: were also attributed to the guy, uh talking about Glico's 250 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: dumping of industrial waste into rivers. Uh So he was 251 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: also suspective a couple other things. But here's here's the thing. 252 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: His father was the boss of a local yakuza organization 253 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: akuza organization, and the guy himself apparently bore resemblance to 254 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: the fox side Man, which one of our listeners on 255 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: YouTube said that was just sort of a phrase for 256 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: someone with crazy eyes. But I don't know again, not 257 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: a not a foxologist? Is there a foxologist in the house. 258 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: I just always want to There's a sketch of him 259 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: you can find online, and is the way they depicted 260 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: his eyes. I can see what they're saying. And there 261 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: in two thousand or so, there were rumors that there 262 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: was actually North Korean involvement, and there were you know 263 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: that that's not as readily accepted as the accusations of 264 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: organized crime in general, or should I say domestically organized 265 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: organized crime. But we have to ask ourselves, you know, 266 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: will will this case ever be solved? Will it be 267 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: like a deathbed confession? What? What were the long term results? 268 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: What was the ultimate motivation behind this? You know, was 269 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: was the group doing this profiting in some other way 270 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: by um damaging the reputation of GLICO, may be competitors somewhere. Yeah, 271 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a decent question because what we're 272 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: really looking for here now is motive. Yes, that's the 273 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: strange part. There's not really an explanation of motive, at 274 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: least in the letters themselves, other than we are bad 275 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: guys and it's fun to lead that kind of life. 276 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: What if it was an early take on the health 277 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: food movement where they were trying to punish companies who 278 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: make delicious X with candy on them. Yeah, but again 279 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: stay away from strawberry. No the you know, that's that's 280 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: an interesting angle too. But the problem is with that 281 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: that there's not very much in the way of proof. 282 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: That's just conjecture. Well, and and if you know, let's 283 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: say that they were successful and they got the ransom money. 284 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: When you're getting ransom money like that, even in the eighties, 285 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: it's going to be trackable in some way. You know 286 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: that each each UH bill is going to have numbers 287 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: on it that you can trace. Sure, you would need somebody, 288 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, like an organized crime to wash that money, 289 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, to funnel it through different things, different gambling 290 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: things or pachinko parlors, things like that, which I would 291 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: make sense. But that's just connecting, you know, between gambling 292 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: and those sympathizers. That isn't in any way to say 293 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: that there is proof that any North Korean sympathizers were 294 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: behind the monster with twenty one faces. But then again, 295 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: there's not too much solid proof that the yakuzo is. 296 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: It's just sort of like there that there, Yeah, because 297 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: that's a crime family and this was clearly organized, well 298 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: thought out. The methods of contact and delivery for the 299 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: time UH did did show that this was not anyone's 300 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: first rodeo, you know what I mean. So what this 301 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: leaves us with is another point that we should make, 302 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: which is a lot of the contemporary reporting of this, 303 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: the stuff that was happening in the eighties at the 304 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: time was of course written in Japanese and remains in Japanese. 305 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: So now I'd like to put out um a request 306 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: for those of you listening with knowledge of Japanese. Is 307 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: there a is there an additional piece of this story 308 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: that you think is missing for people who primarily speak English? 309 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: And if so, what, because we'd like to hear it. 310 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: That would be so great. Perhaps we could even put 311 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: a little addendum at the end of another episode where 312 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: we discuss something that you wrote to us, written to us, 313 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: that would be great, That would be a great follow up, 314 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: and we could also look at it on our new 315 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: live show. We're on periscope usually around four pm. Uh, 316 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: I guess Thursday's or Friday's right some yeah, sometime near 317 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: the end of the week hunt And we do hope 318 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: you tune in and check that out. We we hope 319 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: you're enjoying looking at some of these crimes. These are 320 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: just sort of one O one instances. But yeah, it's 321 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: to send you down the rabbit hole, right, yes, or 322 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: the foxhole or whatever. Right. I was going to say 323 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: candy hole, but for some reason that sounds strangely dirty. 324 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: It's just your face, oh, because people eat candy. Yeah, Okay. 325 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: I was like a personal insult, and I thought, Matt 326 00:20:53,560 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: on air, Sorry, what have I done? Jeez? So we're 327 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: going to go ahead and in that oh wait, do 328 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: you hear that it was the fox call screet? He's back? 329 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Oh it's no. Oh man, I don't know if that's 330 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: really what it. Fox sounds like I heard they had 331 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: they kind of shriek. You know. It's interesting. Uh, there's 332 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: a the domestication project that went on with foxes that 333 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: you've probably heard about, right, Uh. The I believe it 334 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: was a Russian project, and the idea was to see 335 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: what would happen when they bred foxes increasingly for domestic purposes, 336 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: turning them into pets. Because very few animals were actually domesticated. 337 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: You contame individuals, but domestication is when the entire uh 338 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: the entire type of animal is just ready to hang 339 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: with people. So what they found was that the fox 340 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: has got floppy ears and retained some juvenile characteristics and 341 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: they do make that crazy, unholy sounding. Yeah, so you 342 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: nailed it, but it wasn't too far off base. So 343 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: you were talking about Pocky, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, what 344 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: about yan Yan? Have you ever had yan Yon? I 345 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: have I have not what is ya? It's like it's 346 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: like a little dipping sticks, you know. Yeah, it's like 347 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: pocky Okay, okay, It's like I'll tell you that. It's 348 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: one of those things that whenever I'm at a place 349 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: and they sell it, I have this moment where it's 350 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: like dunk a ruse. It's like dunk okay, Okay. Whenever 351 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm in a place where they saw that stuff, I buy. 352 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: I buy a couple just just to have on board 353 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: on hands. I don't really eat sweets, but it must 354 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: have been a nostalgic thing for me or something that's 355 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: a fun thing to offer to guests to They have 356 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: them at the place where I get my bondnes right 357 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: around the corner from my house. They've got the pocket Pokey. 358 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: Do you go to Lee's. Yeah, it's a Lee's Bakery. 359 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: Oh man. Okay. So if you're ever in Atlanta and 360 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: you you liked me just sandwiches or just sandwiches or 361 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: just sandwich is sort of the perfect sandwich. Yeah, you 362 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta check out Leaves because it's so cheap. Yeah, 363 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm as a cheap skate. Their deal really appeals to me. 364 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: You could get six sandwiches for the price of five, which, granted, 365 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: is entirely too many sandwiches for one person. This episode 366 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: brought to you by Leaves Bakery. Oh no, I'm just 367 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: I would love it if they were, if they were 368 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: sponsoring our show, then I would ask just for payment 369 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: and sandwiches really that good. I once did the six 370 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: sandwich deal and I just put them in the fridge 371 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: and brought into work every day, and it was the 372 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: past week of my life. Man. Yeah, whoa, I don't 373 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: know why I haven't done that again. I remember that week. 374 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: That was a high point for all of us. You're 375 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: just smiling all the time. Yeah, So what do you 376 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: think about this? Do you think they're ever gonna find 377 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: the perpetrator of the or the perpetrators? I don't know. 378 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: It's it's sometimes, you know, these things just don't ever 379 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: get solved. I guess I don't know. Well, it's it's 380 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: also strange because we know that organized crime families have, 381 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: especially in in this uh, in this country, some organized 382 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: crime families have pretty close links with police departments and 383 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: law enforcement, you know, So it's it follows then that 384 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: it is entirely possible for members of the police department 385 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: and members of perhaps even the Japanese media to know 386 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: exactly who this is, but for one reason or another, 387 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: to have participated to cover up. And uh, I'm I'm 388 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: interested in this because I want to know what happened 389 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: with this, you know, I want to know where it occurs. 390 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: And you know, this wasn't that long ago, relatively speaking, 391 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: especially in comparison to the Summerton Man. So it's quite 392 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: possible that people who participated in this are still alive. 393 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh, I'm I'm most certain because this isn't 394 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: just a one or two person deal, don't I don't 395 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: think it's possible that this is one person to person deal. 396 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how it is today, but 397 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: it seems like there was certainly a time where the 398 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: yakuza wielded almost more control and power than the police 399 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: force itself. And I mean it was probably, you know, 400 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: the police force was more beholden to the accusa than 401 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: the other way around. See, I feel like we learn 402 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: about that in hindsight, and it we're in this forever 403 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: loop of control getting larger and larger with organized crime 404 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: within our institutions, But we just learned about it I 405 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: don't know. It seems to me, at least in the States. 406 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: It's maybe this is completely not true, but it seems 407 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: there's there's a sense that organized crime isn't you know, 408 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: what it wants, what it once was, right, has it 409 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: developed or But then also it reminds me of the 410 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: old question of or the old idea that organized crime 411 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: is always going to be around the question. It will 412 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: be who perpetrates the most, and you'll have people like 413 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, Gary Webb, the journalist clearly clearly said, guys, 414 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: the CIA is participating organized crime and with much more 415 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: success than the Gambinos or whatever. And perhaps we're perhaps 416 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: we are arriving in a place where the differences between 417 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: some factions of law enforcement and some factions of criminal 418 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: empires are are not as distinct as they once were. 419 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: So so, yeah, it's your appointment. It does make sense that, uh, 420 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: the quote unquote traditional organized crime could be falling off. 421 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: But um, crime, like any other thing in nature of 422 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: bores a vacuum. So somebody else is going to step in. 423 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: Are you wait, wait, are you guys a fan of 424 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: crime shows stuff? Yeah? I was actually just gonna ask 425 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: matt Um how you felt about the Detective finale, thought, 426 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: don't don't ask me that, just tell me just out 427 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: with it. Did you watch it? Yeah? I did? Okay, okay, 428 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: all right, really fast. So I don't think you can 429 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: sit and judge something like that by just saying, oh, 430 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: it was awful. No, that's not that's not what that means. 431 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: It means I think that there is deeper meaning to 432 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: be read. From my first viewing of the season, I 433 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: think that it wasn't shown as much on the surface 434 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: as season one was, where you had a character like 435 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: rust Cole who was kind of explaining to you what 436 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: the symbols mean, what the the deeper thing that you 437 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: can find within maybe these symbols within this. I think 438 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: it exists there and that for that, I'm very happy. However, 439 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: I think it's I really personally think it's suffered from 440 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: having too many characters, trying to tell too many stories, 441 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: and not being able to focus its energy onto one 442 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: or two things. It was just weird for me because 443 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: it almost felt like by the time it found it's footing, 444 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: it was like too late. Kind of yeah. I mean 445 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: the last two episodes three episodes even to me, were 446 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: pretty solid, and I almost like I was hate watching 447 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: it up to that point. I'm not kidding, Like I 448 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: was just you know, hate watching Yeah, I really was. 449 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: I was just like, this dialogue is awful, these characters 450 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: don't make sense, casting is lopsided and bizarre. Then by 451 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: the end it was like, oh, Okay, there's really some 452 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 1: stuff coming home to roost here, and like there's actually 453 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: some really interesting development and some of the things that 454 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: at the time seemed ridiculous for these characters to do 455 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: actually sort of make sense in the grand picture of 456 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: the things. So I would argue that maybe it's worth watching, 457 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: like binge watching, you know, like give a sense of 458 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: who the characters are and you don't forget because it's 459 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: like one thing that I had a problem with is 460 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: like there would be characters that you maybe saw once 461 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: or twice and then maybe we're named once or twice 462 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: and then you don't even see him again until they 463 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: pop up and oh they're actually really really important. But 464 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: use that again, and it's anyway, I don't want to 465 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: get to overboard with it. I just wanted to do 466 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: a little post well because I actually wanted to talk 467 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: about Ben and I discussed it briefly, and I'm sorry Ben, 468 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't mean to just talk and talk and talk 469 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: to every right about I think I really feel like 470 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: I had pacing problems and and too many characters. You're 471 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: you're right, but yeah, give it a chance. If you 472 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: have not watched it yet, give it a chance. It's 473 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: a good conversation starter, that's for sure. Oh yeah, oh yes, 474 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: just like season one. My favorite parts of watching season 475 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: one within coming to work and then discussing with everybody 476 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: what we think is happening or what's going on? Oh. 477 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: I loved this season one, and for an entirely selfish 478 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: reason because I did think it was it was a 479 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: great show and the time he spent on its shows. 480 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: But I loved it because suddenly people cared about the 481 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: book The King and Yellow and other stories, and uh, 482 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: I've never heard of it. Well, I had only heard 483 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: of it because it has, you know, has this love 484 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: crafty and air and it got sucked into that whole 485 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: methos And uh think Josh might still have my copy 486 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: or did I just get another copy? But the book 487 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: itself has some has some pretty neat stuffs anthology. It's 488 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: hit and miss for sure. It has ah literally well 489 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: as virtually nothing to do with this stuff and True 490 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Detective thematically, it makes sense because the Yellow King is 491 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: in that book a a figure like there's this three 492 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: act play, that's what and the three act play occurs 493 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: in these different stories and the ideas that when you 494 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: read the first act, it's great, it's interesting. On second 495 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: act blah blah blah. By the time you get to 496 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: the third act, you are insane and your brain is 497 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: driven to the darkness beyond the stars, to Carcosa where 498 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: the Yellow King dwells, and that kind of stuff. And uh, 499 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: that's not really what True Detective is about at all, 500 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: but it is. It is an interesting thematic underpinning and 501 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: unlike the Monster with twenty one faces, the True Detective 502 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: case was solved, yes, some people, there was a spiric victory, yes, 503 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: and uh, not to give We don't want to give 504 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: too much away here. We want you guys all to 505 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: be excited about watching these shows because honestly, when there's 506 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: good television or a good story put on camera just 507 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: makes us all happy. I think, Yeah, there's a there's 508 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: a renaissance I believe for TV shows. But also also 509 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: I defer to you guys opinion on this because you're 510 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: both far more knowledgeable about film in general than I am. 511 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: I'll have conversations with these guys, ladies and gentlemen, where 512 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: if if a lot, if a bunch of movies come 513 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: out at once, and I will walk up to Maternal 514 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: or some of our other coworkers, uh and ask them 515 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: which one I'm supposed to watch because they just have 516 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: time way through all of them. You know? Should we 517 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: should we go ahead and talk about the Gifts now? 518 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: Or no? No, let us never speak of that horrible, 519 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: horrible film other than to say, ladies and gentlemen, we 520 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: are going to help you. We're going to save two 521 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: hours of your life. Don't see that film, man, I 522 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: don't you know. I hate to be so blunt about it. 523 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: Well you know what, Maybe you'll like it, Maybe you'll 524 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: like it, takes all types. I haven't seen it. I 525 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: hear great things though, Alright, So before I give myself 526 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: it to a troubler, go on another rant. We are 527 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: going to head out. Reminder, please do let us know 528 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: what you think about the monster. It's one in one faces. 529 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: Will this ever be solved? And please let us know 530 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: what other unsolved crimes exist in your neck of the woods. 531 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: On your part of the globe. You can write to 532 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: us directly. We're Facebook and Twitter conspiracy stuff. You can 533 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: also check out our podcasts on your choice of streaming 534 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: device or i ituning it. You can itune it. If 535 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: that's a verb, I don't know. We're we're like old 536 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: school ituners. 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