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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lally. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: And Matt it is a Wednesday. I am in Mobile,

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Speaker 1: Alabama for the Senior Bowl. You're back in Pittsburgh, I

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Speaker 1: assume trying to stay warm. Yeah, it's not too bad.

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Speaker 1: It's a little nasty out, but snow starting to melt

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Speaker 1: and whatnot. We'll be fine. We'll toughen through it. Don't

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Speaker 1: work well, it was. I had to put a jacket

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Speaker 1: on today. It was fifty nine degrees down here. So

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Speaker 1: yesterday worst, you know, yesterday I got sunburned. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, was a nasty day. But today, uh, today

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Speaker 1: a second day of practices here for the National and

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Speaker 1: the American teams, and um, I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: some of the stuff I saw on day one. Uh,

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Speaker 1: some of the things I've seen here from day two

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Speaker 1: I like. And maybe it's just because I'm paying more

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Speaker 1: from the guys in the trenches. I could see that.

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Speaker 1: So to pull back the curtain again, I'm back in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: I am totally caught up on everything that happened Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: I've red leg crazy I've watched all the coverage, I've

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Speaker 1: talked to some people. Um, as of Wednesday stuff, I

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Speaker 1: have no clue what happened yet. That's after we hit

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Speaker 1: record here. I'm gonna go dig in. So one day

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Speaker 1: of exposure. From where I'm sitting, I think it looks

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Speaker 1: really good. I mean, I thought the corners were great,

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Speaker 1: maybe a mid round, third round. Wide receivers are interesting.

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Speaker 1: There's some offensive lineman. I think you're standing out. And

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Speaker 1: as you said, the trench guys are great. I mean

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Speaker 1: every draft year I'm blown away by the defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: just the level of athleticism and the variety of them

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Speaker 1: that come out every year in the league. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I spoke to a Kyom White yesterday and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was He's a guy they list him, isn't as

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Speaker 1: an edge. Um today they kicked him inside. He was

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Speaker 1: just an interesting dude. Uh. Listed officially at six four

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Speaker 1: and six eights pounds. They do do your mints down here,

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Speaker 1: so that is up to date for this so um

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Speaker 1: and when I spoke to him yesterday, he mentioned that, Uh,

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Speaker 1: other guys. They are standing there with me, and I

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Speaker 1: jumped in and he starts talking about He's talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, his position, versatility, you know, the ability to

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Speaker 1: control schemes and things of that nature. And I said, well,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're quoting Mike T. Mike Tomlin. He says, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's he's down here in the field. He's

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Speaker 1: coaching us up. I see him at back at the hotel.

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Speaker 1: Like now, Mike Tomlin, you know he's not This isn't

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Speaker 1: a vacation for him. Like he's one of the few,

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Speaker 1: he's one of the few head coaches who are actually

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Speaker 1: down on the field watching this stuff up close. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And and not only is he watching, but he's giving

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Speaker 1: pointers to these guys. It's obvious on the broadcast. Everyone

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Speaker 1: says that, you know, I've been there in different capacities.

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Speaker 1: I went almost every year when I was at ESPN.

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Speaker 1: I mean when I was the Browns. And you'll see

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Speaker 1: some of the guys are kind of kicking back with

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Speaker 1: are looking for an offensive coordinator. A few of them

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Speaker 1: hands on, maybe more and more every year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was very involved with the quarterbacks last year, and

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Speaker 1: spend some time with the defensive lineman, as you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: But he's a big presence and he's a lot more

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Speaker 1: involved in the scouting world than people realize. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think, you know, there's definitely some

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Speaker 1: when you mentioned White is. It amazes me what they

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Speaker 1: So expand your risings, whether you can do it or not. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: playing center like a champ, you know, and just adding

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Speaker 1: good evaluators don't hold it against you when they ask

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Speaker 1: ton is the massive human being Jones, the left tackle

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Speaker 1: um Dawan Jones from Ohio State, and the whole world

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Speaker 1: that way. Now. He wasn't there today, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: so so many times, Um, you know, a young tackle

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Speaker 1: left tackle injury, now you're gonna maybe move Chucks a

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Speaker 1: But he's pretty comfortable right tackle. Yeah, he I've talked

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big deal. Um. I know a

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Speaker 1: John Michael Schmidt's. Yes, I was getting his name for

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Speaker 1: and we're still probably talking about a second round type

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Speaker 1: He looks like a long term starting, very good center,

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin defensive tackle Keanu Benton. Um, he looked really good

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