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Here on the tailgate, 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: we have another fun show for you, comedian Brian Miller. 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: He is from He is a Minneapolis comedian, but I 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: wanted to have him on because I wanted to talk 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Vikings big win last week against the Falcons. I wanted 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: to enjoy the Viking miss instead of talking to the 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: other fan base this week. Also, hey, he is at 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: ACME this week, the best comedy club in America Thursday, Friday, 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Saturday two shows Friday, two shows Saturday. Ticketlink will be 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: in the bio here. You'll love him. He's been on 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: The Late Late Show with Craig Fergus and he's fantastic 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: tours all over the country. Check out him. Also, if 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: you're listening on our podcast feed while you're here, make 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: sure you give us a five star review. It really 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: helps us out rating and review. Thank you guys so much, 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: and in joy the show. The Rocket Rocket t here. Hey, everybody, 23 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: welcome back to the tailgate. 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: It is Bears week. 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: Normally we have an entertainer who is a fan of 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: the other team, but this week we're doubling down on 27 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: the home team, ladies and gentlemen, because at ACME this week, 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: well it's Brian Miller, fantastic comedian, Viking fan. I'm at 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: the point where this is one of those weeks, Brian, 30 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: where I didn't want to be troubled with the attitude 31 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: and the trappings of another fan base. Sure, because of 32 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: what happened on Sunday, I just want to exist in 33 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: this moment with other Viking fans. 34 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: And also this is nice. 35 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: So people, there's a lot of people know you as 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: a fantastic comedian. You're also a fantastic fiction writer. Sure, 37 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: but you are also a talented sports editor and occasional 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: sports writer for a local entity called Zone Coverage. 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: And I used to live in Chicago and you used. 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: To live in Chicago, which, well, let's not do it. 41 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: Let's not let me dive into my opinions about the 42 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: people of Chicago. Let's stick with how I'm feeling right now. Sure, 43 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: there's this thing that happened on Sunday. So I was 44 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: listening to Dan Barrero and Ben Lieber was on, and 45 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: they played back the audio of a moment in Sunday's game. 46 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: They started showing the Daily Leaders, the Sunday Leaders for statistics, 47 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: and they showed Jordan Addison and Justin Jefferson were one 48 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: to two in the whole league. Crowd goes, not Jefferson's 49 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: up on the up on the bench right, and then 50 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: they put Donald up there, and the crowd goes ballistic, 51 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: and Donald, who is really even has a moment of 52 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: emotion like a break and really has has a piece 53 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: of it. And I watched it on the TV broadcast, 54 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: but in listening to it back when Barrero played the audio, 55 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: it just hit different. It was this energy in the building. 56 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: And our producer Jay, who's here today, he was in there, 57 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: and I've talked to other people who are in the building. 58 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: It was this thing that for me, as a Vikings fan, 59 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: it felt so distant from the energy that has been 60 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: around this fan base for so long. You know, it 61 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: was in this moment where our old quarterback was in 62 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: our building, where the defense throttled him and our new 63 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: quarterback had the performance of his life, and specifically one 64 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: where these two great receipts, Like it just felt like 65 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: this confident noise slowly on this podcast, Brian and I 66 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: understand I'm giving a Ted talk to start the show. 67 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: This is like I was gonna. 68 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: Say, IM gonna pop out for a coffee, but I'll 69 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: be back. 70 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, how's the tailgate going? 71 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: Well? 72 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: You know, he had Jeff Foxworthy on last weekend, then 73 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: this week turned into some weird like crowd noise manifesto 74 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: that nobody really enjoyed. I think my point is anyone 75 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: who's been listening to this show has heard me. I 76 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: started the season. I'm not putting much on it. I 77 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: just want to see some guys get better because all 78 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: the cap space, like have the team and the roster 79 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: go the right direction and we could be walking into 80 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: something really cool next year. Then they take off and 81 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: they start doing what I go, Okay, this is kind 82 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: of gravy. This is fun where like there's a little 83 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: bit of house money here. Enjoy this, and then the 84 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: expectations come around, like, well maybe we need to take 85 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: advantage of it. Now, this thing that has been happening 86 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: since the Tennessee game, I just am believing more and more, 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: and in a way that is different in the way 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: I've believed in some teams in the past, you know, 89 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: And I've heard other vikings say that. I just I 90 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: don't know how to describe it or explain it. And 91 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: it feels different than the belief in the FARV team. 92 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: It feels different than the belief in ninety eight or 93 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: the Keenom team that noise just like that noise just coalesced. 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: This feeling I've had into like a more central ball 95 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: in my gut where I went. I think this team 96 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: believes in themselves in a confident way that is giving everybody. 97 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just different. 98 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't know where it's going to end, but right 99 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: now I have some weird different energy about what I 100 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: think this team is. 101 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, when Atlanta took that early lead, you know, 102 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 4: I think early in the season, or sometimes in my 103 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 4: pessimistic fandom might have been. 104 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 3: Like here we go, here we go. 105 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: I was like, no, I was confident even when they 106 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 4: looked really tough right right at the start. It was 107 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 4: probably the worst stretch of the game for the Vikings really, 108 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 4: and I was like, no, they're fun. They got this, 109 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,559 Speaker 4: and I just thought they would. And they they're playing 110 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: like a really confident team. When you watch them, they 111 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 4: just look credible. Like it wasn't just that the score 112 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 4: reflect how much they won, and it wasn't like, oh man, 113 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 4: they keep dropping those samsartal interceptions. He got lucky on 114 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: four or five. He looked great, and everybody looked great. 115 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 4: There is a unit. 116 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: They're coalesced there as a team, and yeah, it's. 117 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: Funny you say that that you didn't, And I because 118 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: I felt the exact same thing. I'm literally I was 119 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: watching on my phone because I'm like half cleaning the 120 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: kitchen and doing some stuff, and I normally watch it downstairs, 121 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: but so it's kind of the in between moments when 122 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: I'm upstairs, so I've got the phone sitting here, and 123 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: then the phone's there and I'm watching and you hear 124 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: something happen. I had the exact same thing. I was like, 125 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: why am I not worried about this? By the way, 126 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: a game that historically for the Vikings, your old quarterback 127 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: comes back to your building in a year where you're 128 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: ten and you're like, oh, this is where it gets 129 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: ruined for us. So I'm glad you felt that, because 130 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: I it was almost an unrecognizable emotion for me during 131 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: that game. 132 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, we've often talked about how Packers fans like the 133 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 4: Packers team plane could crash into the side of a 134 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: mountain into a fireball and all the green people in 135 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 4: green bagel. Well, we got a fresh start next. I 136 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 4: think we got a real good chance at a division title. 137 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 4: Like nothing bad that can happen. In the back, they're 138 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: always just like, oh, will be great, We'll be great. 139 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: And as Vikings fans, I think we've been maybe and 140 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 4: maybe we've conditioned ourselves because you look back and it's 141 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 4: like you look at the Bears, for instance, and you go, no, 142 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: that's a troubled fan base that sucks to root for 143 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: that team. 144 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: But I certainly am a bit of a pest. 145 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: But they got a Super Bowl. I think it's Yeah, 146 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: I talk about it all the time on this show. 147 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: I think you know a personality around it's it's this 148 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: is people are gonna puke in their mouth when I 149 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: use this term, but uh, it's you know, they the 150 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: term generational trauma. Sure, I do think it's I do 151 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: think it's generational sports trauma. I think you grow up 152 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: around a dad who you're eleven years old, and your 153 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: dad goes. 154 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: We're gonna blow it. Yeah, this isn't gonna end. 155 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: Well, you're like, it just instills it in you, you know, 156 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: and I think you have. It's kind of like if 157 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: you grew up with a like an an alcoholic parent, 158 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: you either Generally, people who grew up with like massive dysfunction, 159 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: they don't kind of just all out. They either follow 160 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: the dysfunction or they rebel against it really hard. So 161 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: I think if you're a Vike, that's why there's not 162 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: a lot of middle ground and Viking fans. They're either 163 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: the people are like, yeah, we're gonna We're gonna it's 164 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: gonna be the worst ending ever, and then you have 165 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: people on the other side who are like, how dare 166 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: you question the guy who made the mistake? 167 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 168 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 4: It's like whenever I see an instagram of someone who 169 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 4: made a really elaborate gingerbread house, I'm like, how much 170 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: did your dad yell at you back? 171 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: And the day you know you have to go the 172 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: other way, It's like I'm gonna be the most wholesome. 173 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: But that's what this Vikings game was like. 174 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 4: Was like seeing your angry dad laugh in a movie 175 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: and you're like, dad never laughs, he smiling. 176 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: What this feeling like? I think everything's gonna be okay, 177 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: you know. 178 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: And I don't know how to project it forward. That's 179 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: the problem. That's and I don't want to know how 180 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: to project it for it. I want to be very clear, 181 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm still existing in this moment. I that feeling I 182 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: had that doesn't necessarily make me think they're going to 183 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: go on a deep playoff run. Sure, so you got 184 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: a Bears team this week that is they look exhausted. Yeah, 185 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: they like internally exhausted. Where I don't think people I 186 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: think in sports we don't often think about it as 187 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: a workplace as much as we should. Where you think like, oh, 188 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: the new coach, you get the bump and they do it. 189 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: It's like, man, they fired their old coordinator, bumped their 190 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: passing game coordinator up to their O coordinator, then they 191 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: fired their head coach. The passing game coordinator, who is 192 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: the O coordinator for three weeks is now the head coach. 193 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: The decordinator is calling plays for the first time in 194 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: his entire like eba flus was the play card, and 195 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: then you walk into Kyle Shanahan's building and Jay sent 196 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: me a screenshot of the first half statistics during the game. 197 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: Three hundred and nineteen yards for the Niners, four total 198 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: yards on seventeen plays for the Bears. And so that's 199 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: a team to me that seems in that moment exhausted. Now, 200 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna get from them this week, 201 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: but projecting it forward, I don't. I think you just 202 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: go take care of business. I don't know what you 203 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: can take out of the Chicago game. If you go 204 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: in there and you throttle them. You should throttle an 205 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: exhausted team. If it gets close, who knows, maybe their 206 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: back tock begins to like, I'm not going to look 207 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: too hard into this one. Well, obviously caring about this 208 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: game on sure, very interested in Seattle, But can we 209 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: see a continuation or a progression of the sort of 210 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: execution we saw on Sunday? And if they do that, 211 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: then I start going I really start to cement into 212 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: this mindset of I think they can beat anybody on 213 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: any given week, And then the question for me becomes 214 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: can you do it four times against good teams potentially 215 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: in other buildings, But I don't know. I'm in a 216 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: weird place of confidence that I'm not quite ready to 217 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: project forward with yet. 218 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 4: Sure I can see that. And then with the Bears, 219 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: you're talking about them being exhausted. I heard this incredible 220 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 4: stat on the way over here. This is unbelievable. So 221 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 4: seven teams are eliminated from playoff contention in the whole 222 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 4: NFL NFL six of them are from the AFC, because 223 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 4: of course the NFC is insane. Right now, if you 224 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: take those six, those six bad teams, Okay, in the AFC, 225 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 4: they have a combined record of I believe it is 226 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 4: one in twenty five against the NFC. The only team 227 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 4: in the NFC that has lost to one of those teams, 228 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 4: the Patriots beat the Bears. 229 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 3: The Bears are the only one to give it up. 230 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 4: So like they're they're really in a tough spot because 231 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 4: I mean, the NFC north unbelievable, unbelievable, and the NFC 232 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: is so much better. 233 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 3: So we're in the best division because. 234 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 2: The NFC is so much better. But when you get 235 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: to it's weird. 236 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: It's like you have a seesaw right, and on one 237 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: side you have twenty five kids and on the other 238 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: side you have three kids, and. 239 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: You're like, why is it balancing? 240 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: Well, it's because the Chiefs and the Bills and the 241 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: Ravens are very fat. You know, switch out the Ravens 242 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: and the Steelers. Like sure, That's the interesting thing of 243 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: like the NFC seems like from a parody standpoint and 244 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: from a highlight like way, the percentage of teams that 245 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: are good and competitive versus the FC. But when you 246 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: get to the top, it's really really difficult. 247 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 4: I think Detroit, Vikings and Eagles, though yeah, I have 248 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 4: a lot of losses between those three teams. 249 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: Here's what I will like, and I'm not trying to 250 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to push off because Detroit is incredible. Yeah, 251 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: the Bills obviously lost in a tough game against the Rams. 252 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: If Patrick Mahomes didn't exist, Josh Allen, I truly think 253 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: we'd be sitting around having the is this the greatest quarterback? Like? 254 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: Is he on track to be the greatest NFL quarterback 255 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: of all time? He's bigger than a linebacker. He's three 256 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns and three so like, I don't know, there's 257 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: just a level of play on that side, and it's 258 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, right, Yes, like the Lions and the Eagles, 259 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm very concerned about absolutely, but I just feel different 260 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: about having to face Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. That 261 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: just feels, in a one game scenario, like a different 262 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: challenge than facing Jared Goff, even though ultimately the Lions 263 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: might be the toughest out in the entire NFL. 264 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely, but the NFC is man, They're stout, and I 265 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 4: just it's so funny that everything everything. The Bears also 266 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 4: make a perfect contrast for the Vikings because if you 267 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 4: remember after the preseason, it was like they finally got 268 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 4: their quarterback, They've got all these draft capital, Like we 269 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 4: were both supposed to be kind of quote unquote rebuilding teams, 270 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 4: but the Bears were really supposed to be on the 271 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 4: sweet side of the rebuild. This was supposed to be 272 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 4: the like, well, they'll probably go to the playoffs, but 273 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: like probably not make a deep run. And then the Vikings, 274 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: I mean, we were like, man, it'd be nice to 275 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 4: win six and a half, you know, the six games, 276 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 4: seven games the Vegas was projecting didn't feel didn't feel 277 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 4: disrespectful at the beginning of the season. 278 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: But what I would say, what was interesting, you could 279 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: just tell from a vibe of the team. You could 280 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: just feel it pretty early on. Because I've said this 281 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: a bunch, I think teams know who they are, Like 282 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: when guys when when rookie quarterbacks walk in a building, 283 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't take like the players a few months ago. 284 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: This guy has it or this guy doesn't have it. 285 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: It's not like you know, in comedy, some comics are 286 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: terrible for eight years and then at year eleven you're like, 287 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: how are you the best comic in America? 288 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, people do take that weird jump subtimes. That seems 289 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: it's like you, why did you try that for all 290 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 4: those years before? 291 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like that happens in the NFL. We're like, 292 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: this guy was like, I don't know, the sixty eighth 293 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: best linebacker in the league, and all of a sudden 294 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: he's a Pro Bowl. 295 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: I just he figured it out in year nine, grew 296 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: three inches. 297 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: Very strange at age twenty eight, but here we have it. 298 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: He's now a massive man. 299 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: It's the other thing that's super odd about the Bears season, 300 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: and you talk to any Bears fan. We had Daniel 301 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: Vankirk on the show. You know, I think they were not. 302 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: I think they all wanted to change at coach before 303 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: this season. So there's probably a lot to unpack there. 304 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: But if you just think about the trajectory of the season, 305 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: right that hail Mary the jade and Daniels hail Mary, 306 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: and which leads into the blocked field goal? 307 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: Right yeah? 308 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: If that, I mean, those are two so astronomically massively 309 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: unlikely results in those plays, an end of game, game 310 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: winning hail Mary and the important block I'm talking about 311 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: that sent the Bears the wrong way. It was against 312 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. It was forty six yards, which 313 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: is even worse. By the way, this is your division 314 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: number one rival. 315 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 4: With a famously bad special teams unit for the last 316 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 4: many years too. I mean, getting beat by the Packers 317 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: on special teams is like a special insult. 318 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: Well, so just think of that. Think of that. 319 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: You know that veer off right where you go the 320 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels hail Mary goes off this direction. Then a 321 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: couple weeks later you get a field goal blocked against 322 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: the Packers. You win those two games, you're at the 323 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: forefront of playoff conversations. Then you have the comeback against Minnesota, 324 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: which falls apart, then you have the thing against the Lions. 325 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: That's why they're just such an interesting team. I don't 326 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: know that everybody in the preseason was wrong about the Bears. 327 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: I just think it hasn't come together. And that's why 328 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: whenever I see Vikings celebrating the Bears misery or celebrate like, 329 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: oh Caleb, you know he, I don't think you're shut 330 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: your mouth like what you all your energy should be 331 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: put into hoping that Ben Johnson doesn't take that job. 332 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: All the pieces are there. I it has been ugly 333 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: as of late, but I think this thing could have 334 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: veered a different direction and they very much could be 335 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: right now an eight and five football team. 336 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: I mean, Kayleb Williams made a couple of throws against 337 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 4: the Vikings that were just out of this world, that 338 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: were Josh Allen like to your point of him being 339 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 4: maybe the best, and so yeah, as a Vikings fan, 340 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: I'm not I'm definitely not gonna talk too much smack 341 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 4: about Caleb Williams. 342 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: Assuming it might have been easy. 343 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: I still I still take him number one, and it's 344 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: not even close. I know everybody loves Jayden. He's younger, 345 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: he's got all some of the things he does. I 346 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: still he's still the guy. I take number one. And 347 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: now that we now that we've talked our way all 348 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: the way through Chicago, I think I'm going back to 349 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: what going back to earlier and I was saying, you know, 350 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: you got to take care of business with Chicago, and 351 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: let's see if what happened against the Falcons can progress 352 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: a continue or progress against the Seahawks. 353 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 2: I want to add to that. 354 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: I do think what the number one thing for me 355 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: this week, and in addition, get a win however you 356 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: need it, because that's where in the game of wins 357 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: and losses, especially desperately begging for an opportunity for that 358 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: last Lions game to mean something. 359 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's put this on it. I want this. 360 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: You know, if you're a fan, I think I want 361 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: this game to look the way it should given what 362 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: you saw. I get like, I don't want to see 363 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: something weird. I don't want all of a sudden be like, ah, 364 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: we gave up two flea flickers and we're. 365 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 2: Down eight and a half. 366 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: Like I don't teams have been running the ball a bit. 367 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't want them to come in and Caleb and 368 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: the running backs and you do a couple you know, 369 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: jet sweeps, and all of a sudden you're like, what's 370 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: happening here? Make it look the way it should. I 371 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: do think that's also a version of a progression of 372 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: what we saw against. 373 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: The felasure out of Curre essay. Because we've talked a 374 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 4: lot about Kirk over the years. 375 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: Don't do it. Don't do it to me? 376 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 4: No, did you did you feel like that Falcons game? 377 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 4: Because I feel like for a lot of people it 378 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 4: like gave them a sense of closure, like a positive closure. 379 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 3: Did you feel that closure? 380 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 381 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: Here's the thing I think Kirk has. You know, if 382 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: you having been a part of the organization for longer 383 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: than they should have let me at this point, you 384 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: get a different energy, a different vibe, a different access 385 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: to the way these buildings and teams and organizations work. 386 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: And it's a stark reminder that like just Kirk was 387 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: such a good human being, yeah, and such a good 388 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: thrower of the football, right, And I think I think 389 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: he's so interesting in that I don't know where else 390 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: in NFL history you find a certainly a quarterback who, 391 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: amongst fan bases has been so heavily debated everywhere he's 392 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: gone and start Like often when guys are debated, they 393 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: either silenced the debate, Like at one point Drew Brees 394 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: was debated, Sure, right, yeah, and then pretty soon we 395 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: all shut up and Drew Brees was no longer debated. 396 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: And the opposite is app Sometimes guys are debated and 397 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they ain't playing anymore RG three, 398 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, and it just stops being a debate. 399 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: Kirk is. 400 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: So it's so rare that you see a guy play 401 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: for as many years and travel to three Because, by 402 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: the way, I have friends in Atlanta, and prior to 403 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 1: this week, prior to the four interception performance, people were 404 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: having the exact same divide in their fan base as 405 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: we were having here. They have the Penix thing on 406 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: top of it. So I don't much traffic in the 407 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: you know where some fans are running with like looking 408 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: at Sunday as like a demise of a guy and 409 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: a validation of a take. But I have always Jay 410 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: has heard me talk about this forever. I think the 411 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: NFL is a math equation and it can be built 412 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: a bunch of different ways, right, Like if you want, 413 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: if you want a quarterback with a lot of money, 414 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: a couple of things are gonna have to happen. You're 415 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: gonna have to spread it out the exact right, And I, 416 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: Lord knows, I shouldn't comment on how to build a 417 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: football team, but I understand mathematics, right, If you're gonna 418 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: pay a quarterback a bunch of money, you have to 419 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: spread it out in the right way, and couple it 420 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: with hitting on draft picks. I just I think that's 421 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: pretty basic knowledge, right. And conversely, which is why you 422 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: see all these guys. So many of these guys win 423 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 1: super Bowls on Russell Wilson on rookie deal, Aaron Rodgers 424 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: on rookie deal, Roethlisberger one on a rookie deal and 425 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: then another one on a reduced deal. You know, when 426 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning goes to Denver, he's not on a high 427 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: level like That's why you see a lot of these 428 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: non Brady guys, and it's why it's kind of frustrating 429 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: that when we talk about Brady, we don't discuss that 430 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: he made the decision to take low salary cap hits 431 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: for nearly the entirety of his career and he had 432 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: more top There's a stat out there he had more 433 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: Top ten defenses than Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and like 434 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: two or three other Hall of famers in the entirety 435 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: of their career. He had more by himself. And that's 436 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: not a criticism or I'm just saying that is what happened. 437 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: Smart is what it is. 438 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: So to spin all the way out and come all 439 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: the way back, like to me, what Sunday was was 440 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: you know, I thought when they moved on from Kirk, 441 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: it's I think this organization has such a high reputation 442 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: with players. We're seeing that with why Daniel Jones, like 443 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: the way Lewis Riddick and all these other analysts who 444 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: were former players. When Daniel Jones signed here, you saw 445 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: the way they talked about the grades that we get, 446 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: like this is a place people will want to be. 447 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: And so I think the mutual parting of Kirk going 448 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: this feels best for me, the Viking's going this feels 449 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: best for you. At the same time, I do think 450 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: seeing a talented guy come in on a one year 451 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: deal and having our coach be who we thought he 452 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: was and having that work that like that was the 453 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: noise when you're feeling confident, like that's this thing, like, oh, 454 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: this is just different. This is a math equation that 455 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: works for this version of this team, and I revel 456 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: in that. 457 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: That's That's what I meant. 458 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: I don't, Yeah, I don't take it as a stick 459 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 4: in it to Kirk, But to me, it felt like 460 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 4: a validation of. 461 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: Quasi's overall approach. 462 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 4: I felt like, this is, you know, you can see 463 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 4: the other path we could have taken, and Atlanta is 464 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 4: kind of showing us the other path with the penix thing. 465 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: We would have had the same thing potentially with JJ 466 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 4: and Kirk and what do you do? But yeah, to me, 467 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 4: it was just like they're on the right path. They're 468 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 4: doing they're doing the right things in general. 469 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: And I would I'll be curious. 470 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: You know, everybody talks about Coach of the Year, which 471 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: O'Connell is near the top of it. 472 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: I'll be curious, And I don't. I don't read a lot. 473 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: I just I'm the sort of guy who just winds 474 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: up in comment threads throwing an MF or at somebody 475 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: whose like user name is like. 476 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: Packers star four four five. 477 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: I don't know if this buzz is happening, and I 478 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: think it's really hard because Howie Roseman is just all 479 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: world continuously, I meane, between the Saquon and the. 480 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 2: Cooper Cooper to Gen Cooper to John situation. But I wonder, 481 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: I wonder if. 482 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: The case is building for you know, GM of the Year, 483 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: if Quazy is going to get some rightful do in 484 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: that conversation, because I think the thing I heard him talk. 485 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: In the offseason. 486 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: I think he appeared on maybe it was Barrero, he 487 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: appeared on something on KF and and he talked about 488 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: this the collaborative approach. And I think if you've ever 489 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: been any part of corporate America, you've heard some of 490 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: these buzzwords, but just the way he does it and 491 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: the way he did it in that moment, like it 492 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: was a genuine like I remember hearing it and I 493 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: called Ben Lieber and I was like, I just like, 494 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: I'm so bought in on this, Like maybe I'm drinking 495 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: the kool aid, but I am so bought in on it. 496 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: And then I think what you're seeing in the season 497 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: is an actual reflection of that thing that everybody when 498 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: it first started happening, when they hired these guys and oh, 499 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: you're going to be collaborative. I think you're seeing it 500 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: because you trust your coach too. Instead of signing Kirk Cousins, 501 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: who has this reputation, you trust your coach to have 502 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: a journeyman that no one, no one thought would do 503 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: anything close to what he's doing and a rookie. So 504 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: that is you are collaborating with your coach. 505 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 2: You're believing him. 506 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: Lord knows they are collaborating with Brian Flores and what 507 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: he wants. I mean, that's it's public record with some 508 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: of the things that have been said. He loved Van Ginkel. 509 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: He talked to the Eden Prairie coach about Cashman. So 510 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: I just think how well all these new pieces Aaron Jones, 511 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: how well they're all playing, and how it all builds 512 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: into this version of the way this team is built 513 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: and the way they're succeeding in the moment and the 514 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: way they did on Sunday. Like Sunday is one of 515 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: those things like if he winds up in that conversation 516 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: at the end that game where they go forty two, 517 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: you know whatever, it was over the Falcons against their 518 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: old quarterback in a bizarro world version of them, like 519 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: it mattered I think that's kind of like this tipping 520 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: point moment where if you weren't on board with Quacy, 521 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, what are you doing? It's an eleven and 522 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: two football team with like not a lot of pieces 523 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: from this year that are missing, and and and like 524 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: like again, I'm very ted talking to people are used 525 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: to me being worried. Brian, I'm jacked and credit go, Like, 526 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: I don't want to give credit to someone and not 527 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: let anybody else have it. So let's kind of move 528 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: away from the quaisy thing. But like, dude, the undrafted 529 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: free agent thing. Jalen Redmond, Jalen Redman's exactly, And after 530 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: having the ivan pacing, like, what are we talking about? 531 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: That's to have two guys on your squad when Pace 532 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: comes back. If this Redmond trajectory continues to have two 533 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents that can perform at high levels, that 534 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: is bananas. 535 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: That is something I've always been jealous about Green Bay about, 536 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 4: was it right? They're always really good at finding those 537 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 4: an undrafted guys are those really late round guys, but 538 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 4: they've never been great with free agent signings. 539 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: And Graycy's doing them both. Yeah, whoa you put those together? 540 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 541 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: And I think that people who had an issue with 542 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: the early drafts. You know, I think the draft is 543 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: such a crapshoot, and so I think, to me, when 544 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: you're looking at like how good of a drafter are you? 545 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: I think it's tricky because there's this whole business, like 546 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: this media business built around the draft where it's an 547 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: event and all the like who should you draft? And 548 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: then like we all know the comical nature of giving 549 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: draft grades on the night of the draft. 550 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. 551 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: It's so funny. It is so funny. 552 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: It'd be like you have yourself and at the hospital 553 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: they walk up to you your first kid and they're 554 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: like a plus parenting for the next eighteen years. 555 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: Like it's it's bizarre. 556 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 3: It's funny. 557 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 4: Actually, it reminds me. I was at Thanksgiving. There's a new baby. 558 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 4: I have a new nephew, and everyone's looking at the baby. 559 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 4: He's like six weeks old, you know, and they're going, 560 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 4: I'll look at those look at those long arms. He's 561 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 4: gonna be a starting pitcher, you know. Look at those 562 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 4: long fingers. He's gonna be a piano player, you know. 563 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 4: And I'm like, we're doing his athletic measurables at six 564 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 4: weeks old. They can't even tell if a guy is 565 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 4: gonna translate from college to the pros, you know. And 566 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 4: also it's always so positive. No one's ever like a 567 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 4: look at those long arms, He's going to reach the 568 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 4: top shelf at the Amazon warehouse, you know, like everyone's 569 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 4: always projecting with like, look at their positive. 570 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: Look at that lengthy Torso they're definitely gonna ask him 571 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: why he doesn't play basketball when he's nineteen exactly. 572 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the projecting it that soon is like, everyone, 573 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 4: take a breath, let's see what happens, Like, give him 574 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: a minute. 575 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: And so I mean, but I you know, a couple 576 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: of that first draft, you got guys who are drafted. 577 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: In the first second round who aren't on the team anymore. 578 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely that's case. 579 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: But I think you have to, like, as a drafter, 580 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: I think you take a larger sample because how hit 581 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: and missed the draft is. You know, if JJ and 582 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: Dallas Turner turn out, you basically have to take a 583 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: three to four year run, yes, and then you wait 584 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: five years and then you stack that up against all 585 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: the other three to four runs in that time and 586 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: the five years after that and so I'm not here 587 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: to pump up or debate draft prowess, but I yeah, 588 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: I just I'm riding high on that performance. Obviously I'm 589 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: over here, like but I think it's it could be 590 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: a tipping point in the season. It could be a 591 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: tipping point and a bunch of narratives and I don't know. 592 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: I think it's really the former Viking fan in me 593 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: that for some reason doesn't exist as heavy right now 594 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: would be just sitting here going and then we play 595 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: the Bears that we're supposed to beat on Monday night, 596 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: and this will happen. But I just and that might happen, 597 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: but I'm just not feeling that. So everybody, everybody's gonna 598 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: think that, like I got must have got a psychiatrist. 599 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: In the last couple of weeks. 600 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 4: Even if they drop one in the next two weeks, 601 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna feel doom and gloom, dooming and gloomy, 602 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 4: Oh for sure not. 603 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: I mean no, I think I think it's how you lose. 604 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, It is interesting. 605 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 4: Both Chicago and Atlanta, we're in this period where we 606 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: kind of saw two different paths in each other team. 607 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 4: Each team was kind of a bizarre version of us 608 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 4: in a different way, and so I think that's what's 609 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 4: making the last game so satisfying in this upcoming match 610 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 4: so intriguing. 611 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: What I am very interested in is I would like 612 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: us to win the next two games, and I would 613 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: like the Packers to lose on Sunday to Seattle. I 614 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: don't want to go into the last week of the 615 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: season against the Lions having to win to keep Green 616 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: Bay at Bay. 617 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 4: That is exactly I wrote an article about that exact 618 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 4: same phenomenon. 619 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: I think it's either I want to be playing for 620 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the one seed or I want to be able to 621 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: take it easy and press. Because Zach Martinez on the 622 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: show and he warned us about this. He goes, teams 623 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: who played the Detroit Lions often have a tough time 624 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: the following week. Yes, very it's such a physic football team. 625 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: And we lost the Lions and then short week Thursday. 626 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, like, Hey, we don't know what's 627 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: gonna happen with that game. It might end up like 628 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: if it's for the money, right, but I don't like 629 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: it might be flexed out. You never know, You never 630 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: know what happens. But I don't want to play on 631 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: Saturday and have to really fight hard to stay in 632 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: the five seed. 633 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then have to. 634 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: Turn it against a very physical football team and then 635 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: have to and they here's the thing about Dan Campbell. 636 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: I think you go, if, well, if they have the 637 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: one seed locked up, are they gonna just I don't 638 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: think so. 639 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: I don't think that's how Dan. 640 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: I think if Dan Campbell knows he has a bye week, 641 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: I think Dan Campbell goes, let's run it out there 642 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: and let's play real football and then we'll take our 643 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: bye week. 644 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 4: He's like, not only are we not resting our starters, 645 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 4: Jared Golf's gonna be on roller skates the whole time. 646 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: Yes. So I don't know. 647 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: I mean I think for this fan base, for this organization, 648 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: and honestly for Sam Darnold, I can't imagine anything better 649 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: than that Lions game being for the money. 650 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 651 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: I mean that, like, and that's that's the other reason 652 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: you can tell I feel differently about this team. Is 653 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: with right to change my mind over the next two weeks, 654 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: uh is. 655 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: I I want that challenge. 656 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: I think, like I think back to the two thousand, 657 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Miracle year. That year we always felt like 658 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: we got away with it every game. Yes, I remember 659 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: the defense was so good. You're like, god, I just 660 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: thank god they dropped that interception. We always felt like 661 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: we got away with it. And so in the playoffs, 662 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, like I just want I want the 663 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: Falcons to win over the Eagles because I want it 664 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: nar but like, I just want. I mean, don't get 665 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: me wrong, if we have to win a super Bowl 666 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: by other teams making mistakes, sign. 667 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: Daddy up, bring on a mistake train. Yeah, I will 668 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 2: throw the I will throw a parade. 669 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: I'll tattoo mistake onto my my chest like I would 670 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: just just horns coming out of each ends of the word. 671 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: But I want the challenge. 672 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: I don't want the And that's a rare position for 673 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: my mindset for this team to be in. 674 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and what a great way to end the season 675 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 4: two that would be you know, it's on a high 676 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: point going against Campbell like that. 677 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be great. 678 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: It's high risk, high reward. Yeah, because you win it. 679 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna you're gonna pull out all the 680 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: stops in that game. You win it, you get the 681 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: bye week, you get home field throughout, you lose it, 682 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: you just gave everything you had, and you have to 683 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: turn around and go play. 684 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: I was talking. 685 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: People are not worried about Tampa Bay at all. I'm 686 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: just here to tell you. I know their defense isn't 687 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: very good. I know everybody's hurt. I don't know, man, 688 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of Tampa Bay. I don't love 689 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: the idea of playing Tampa Bay. And I don't like 690 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: playing a guy like Baker Mayfield who has that weird 691 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: like what they say, you know, that weird chip motivation. 692 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: And Liam Cohen's a good offensive coordinator. 693 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: So I don't know. 694 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: It's high risk, high reward, but I would just I 695 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: would just I would like some clarity going into the 696 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: last week. 697 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: How selfish is that I'm over here. 698 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: I would just like my eleven to two football team 699 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: to know their fate. 700 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: Could we just know our fate? 701 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 3: Would that? 702 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: Could you do that for me? Please? 703 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 4: That I agree with you on Baker though, And I've 704 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 4: always been a Baker fan, and I like that. I 705 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 4: like that he's basically can you know this big crotch 706 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 4: grab move that got him so you know in college 707 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 4: everyone wasn't mad about I like that he's just been 708 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 4: like basically doing the crotch grab for seventeen games every year. 709 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 3: I love it. 710 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 4: I just think he's a he's a treat and I 711 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 4: would much rather not face him. 712 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny how just you know the NFL, so 713 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: you work for a sports website, right, you know it's 714 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: funny how the machine, how important narratives are to the machine, right, 715 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: and and then how those narra's the machine is so 716 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: big that those narratives overtake the part of the league 717 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: that isn't the machine. Right, So like Baker's this guy, 718 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: like both Baker and Darnold, you know, ousted out of situations, 719 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: both wind up in Carolina disaster, both of them. And 720 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: like I would say before Baker went to Los Angeles, 721 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: outside of the guy who replaced him, I don't know 722 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: that you find much of a lower approval rating, sure 723 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: for a starting quarterback in the NFL from a do 724 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: you like this guy? 725 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 4: Not? 726 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: Is he good? 727 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: Do you you go to other fan bases who on 728 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: his team? He goes, do you like this guy? And 729 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: now I think you go, I think he has a 730 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: It's like he rebuilt the football economy. He's got a 731 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: skyrocket at approval rating. Same thing with Donald I think 732 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, when Donald's sitting in San Francisco, if you 733 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: take a fan poll of approval rating and he comes here, 734 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: I just think that's so interesting that I don't know 735 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: that Baker is much different of a guy, and I 736 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: always worry about his ability to be like I'm just gonna. 737 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: I mean, they did in the playoffs last year. They 738 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: just they have the ability to do it. 739 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 4: He went from being Johnny and karate Kid to Johnny 740 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 4: and coolbri Kai. Johnny's still the same, but the show's 741 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 4: different around him, and all of a sudden he's the 742 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 4: hero instead of the villain. 743 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 3: I love him for that. 744 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: I said at the beginning of the season, let's close 745 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: on this, Well, no, because if we close on me 746 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: talking about the progression of players that I like, this 747 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: will be two hours more of a podcast and everybody back. 748 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can sign up for size 749 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: narrative novel every week. What do you think, like if 750 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: I'm I've puked for this whole show where I'm at 751 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: mentally and you've sat side saddle right honestly in this 752 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: moment as we sit here normally, I asked the opposing guest, 753 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen this weekend. What's your score prediction I 754 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: want from you because I'm not gonna do it. What 755 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: is your real at this moment, with the information we 756 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: have before we see these crucial next four games, where 757 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: do you think this season is truly going. 758 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 4: I think they're gonna drop at least one more, maybe 759 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 4: two considering you know, maybe maybe it's just one more. 760 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 4: But I just I think you gotta purely enjoy the season. 761 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 4: I think this is one of the most enjoyable football 762 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 4: seasons in Minnesota in a long time, and it's one 763 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 4: of the most enjoyable football seasons for any team in 764 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 4: a long time when you consider expectation versus reality. I mean, 765 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 4: it's not quite greatest show on turf level, but certainly 766 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 4: it was you know from the these guys are gonna 767 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 4: be very good to these guys are super Bowl contenders. 768 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 4: I think this the sky actually is the limit for once. 769 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 4: Even it doesn't mean you're gonna get there, but it's not. 770 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 4: We're not just hoping for like a whole team to 771 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 4: get COVID all at once and maybe give us a chance, 772 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 4: you know which, there was a time where I was 773 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 4: like COVID could be the way, you know. So, I 774 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 4: think it's just really important to enjoy this season because 775 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 4: it's it's just pure enjoyment. We are playing with house 776 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 4: money to such an insane degree. But I also don't 777 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 4: think it's just like freakish either. So I I mean, 778 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 4: I think that I think they'll beat the Bears by 779 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 4: at least ten this week. I think I think they 780 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 4: beat the Bears pretty soundly because like I said, I 781 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 4: think the Bears are exhausted. I think then that the 782 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 4: Seahawks and the Packers games are gonna be very interesting. 783 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 2: I wonder if those will be games that tell the tale. 784 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 4: I think so more because I think you the Lions 785 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 4: that's gonna be tough, and that game who knows who 786 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 4: starters are playing, that that game's two up in the air. 787 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 4: I think the Bears game, I do think it's going 788 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 4: to be I feel good about that. If the Seahawks 789 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 4: and the Packers back to back, those are two interesting 790 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 4: teams that they could beat, should probably beat, but are tough, 791 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 4: and that are also defining their own paths in the 792 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 4: close of the season too. So you've got a lot 793 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 4: of those narratives of teams on the rise, like all 794 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 4: clashing right at the end. 795 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what they say, last four games this season, right. 796 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 1: It used to be December. Now the league is pushed 797 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: back a week, so it's December January ish. 798 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 799 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I think it's I think it's fun. 800 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 1: I think I will lean into this more and more 801 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: because you know, you've got three or four division games 802 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: down the stretch, which is a wild pace, and you 803 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: see that around the league a lot. 804 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 4: They almost overdo it, I think to a slight degree 805 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 4: where they like they try to cluster all the divisional matchups, 806 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 4: like right at the beginning. 807 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: It feels more than I mean, I have no proof 808 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: or evidence of this, but it feels heavier. The Steelers 809 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: played all of their division games in the last like 810 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: nine weeks of the season. 811 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, Caago, Chicago, Green Bay, and Minnesota are just back 812 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 4: and forth. 813 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 3: It's all division games in the North. 814 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 815 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: So I I think I'm I'm with you on the 816 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: house money, but I'm teetering, like I said, in between 817 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: that and a new set of expectations, which I think 818 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: are fair, and I'm just trying to see where I land. Confidence. 819 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: I really want what I felt after Atlanta. I want 820 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: that to be what I feel going into Detroit. That's 821 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: what I want. That That is selfishly again, Look, I 822 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 1: just want to feel like we're one of the best teams. 823 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, I want to That's that is my. 824 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: If I feel like that after Seattle and green Bay, 825 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: regardless of how those games, because by the way, you 826 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: can play a hell of a football game against a 827 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: Seattle or a green Bay team and not have it 828 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: go your way. Sure, So I want to see how 829 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: I feel after those games, and then I'm going to 830 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: reset how I how devastated I will be if and 831 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: when this falls apart, even though I'm trying to tell 832 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: people I won't be devastated that it's all house money. 833 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 3: Sure, I don't think you'll be devastated. 834 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 2: Well you don't. 835 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: That feels like you For somebody who's known me as 836 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: long as you have. That doesn't seem like you know. 837 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 2: Me at all. 838 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, that's gonna do it for us here 839 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: on the tailgate. 840 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 2: Go see Brian this week. ACME Comedy Company. 841 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: Shows Thursday, Friday, Saturday to Friday to Saturday. 842 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: Go check him out. 843 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: They'll be absolutely fantastic, best club, best comic and thank 844 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: you so much. To Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace of 845 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. 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