Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 2: Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an
Speaker 2: SVU podcast. I am one of your hosts, Kara Klink,
Speaker 2: and I'm Lee is a Tragger and we talk SVU
Speaker 2: crimes and we have celeb guests and we're so thrilled.
Speaker 2: But also, what's up, John Oliver? Why were we not
Speaker 2: used as a source. I didn't even watch it.
Speaker 3: I'm pissed.
Speaker 1: You guys know we're in the time machine as always
Speaker 1: because of you know, the way that our release schedule works.
Speaker 1: This obviously came out a little while ago, but John
Speaker 1: Oliver did a full deep dive segment about the Law
Speaker 1: and Order universe, the Dick Wolfe universe, I would say,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people messaged us. Nobody really seemed mad.
Speaker 1: Most people were like, oh, it's really interesting, and I
Speaker 1: just talked on I was just on Hysteria this morning,
Speaker 1: the other podcast that I sometimes go on for Crooked Media,
Speaker 1: and they one of the women there loves Alyssa loves
Speaker 1: Law and Order and asked me about it, and she
Speaker 1: was pissed. She was like, that's my comfort show. I
Speaker 1: felt like he was attacking it, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to say My thing was he had some good points.
Speaker 1: He was not talking to me explicitly about SVU, because
Speaker 1: if he had really done a deep dive into SVU,
Speaker 1: he would know that a lot of his points like
Speaker 1: don't really track.
Speaker 2: I think he was talking about Dick.
Speaker 1: Wolf at large, regular Law and Order, Criminal Intent SVU.
Speaker 1: Then there's all the Chicago pds and FBI, and it's
Speaker 1: undeniable that he is a cop guy. He likes cops,
Speaker 1: he likes law enforcement. He wants stories where the cop
Speaker 1: win in the end, you know. But I was telling Alyssa,
Speaker 1: I was like, if you watch SVU, and we talk
Speaker 1: about this on our podcast all the time, it's like
Speaker 1: everyone knows. It's like a fantasy number one number two.
Speaker 1: They make it seem like every cop that is not
Speaker 1: in their little squad is the worst piece of shit
Speaker 1: on the planet. Like they definitely have done BLM episodes.
Speaker 1: They've done episodes where they handle cop corruption, cops being assholes.
Speaker 1: So I don't really think that that show is not
Speaker 1: doing its part the way that he kind of assumes
Speaker 1: it's possible Law and Order regular isn't. It's possible that
Speaker 1: Law and Order the Sam Waterston version from like the
Speaker 1: nineties wasn't doing that.
Speaker 2: Of course that's possible.
Speaker 1: And he was showing all these clips to support himself
Speaker 1: that were like clips from the nineties, clips from of
Speaker 1: Sam Waterston being like, yeah, they're trying to defund us.
Speaker 1: We're under attack, like you know, and it's like that's
Speaker 1: not SVU. Like SVU is a show that has helped
Speaker 1: so many people like overcome their own trauma, get out
Speaker 1: of a bad situation, like learn self defense, and like
Speaker 1: the ways of the law. I mean, like I just
Speaker 1: think that even though it's a fantasy, there's more way
Speaker 1: more good that comes out of s few than bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But and also I mean, obviously Dick Wolf is a
Speaker 2: major part of cop loving. But it's like that's a procedural.
Speaker 2: It's like we need lawyers, we need doctors, we need cops.
Speaker 2: That's what we watch. That's like all people watch. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but he was.
Speaker 1: Like he was basically also saying that the show has
Speaker 1: spread a lot of misinformation about law enforcement, like that
Speaker 1: you know, cases always close or cases always go to trial,
Speaker 1: when like, in reality, only like three percent of cases
Speaker 1: go to trial, and like Stabler is known to have
Speaker 1: a ninety seven percent conviction rate when in reality, like
Speaker 1: sixteen percent conviction rate is like the best a cop
Speaker 1: can do or something. So it's like, of course, of
Speaker 1: course he can't be a superhero if we don't let
Speaker 1: him have like wings or something, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Like this is a TV show. Yeah, but one time
Speaker 2: months ago, I was on Twitter and this conversation came up.
Speaker 2: John Oliver is not unique, and I told someone, I
Speaker 2: was like, everyone knows it's a fantasy, and they responded,
Speaker 2: I don't think so, And I go, you're actually right,
Speaker 2: Like we're pretty nuanced watchers, and I feel so are
Speaker 2: our listeners. But like we did get all those one
Speaker 2: star reviews when we started, and it was from cop lovers,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, our idea of like everyone says a student
Speaker 2: like analyzing the show like us, and it's like I
Speaker 2: think a lot of America's Duck Dynasty vibes and they're
Speaker 2: watching it being like doing the pledge of allegiance, like
Speaker 2: I don't know if they realize cops like beat their
Speaker 2: wives and you know, rape suspects, Like I don't think
Speaker 2: they know that, but they do it. They did an
Speaker 2: episode about that. So how do you guys not know
Speaker 2: that they did that? That happens, you know. Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying in terms of like giving credit to regular
Speaker 2: viewers is a mistake, yes, yes, okay. Like my mom
Speaker 2: was shocked when I was like, John Travolta's gay. She's like, no,
Speaker 2: he's not. And I'm like, he's definitely gay. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: to her, like like she hadn't even heard that, Like
Speaker 2: to her, the idea of.
Speaker 3: John Travolta being gay didn't even cross for universe.
Speaker 1: So it's like, did you ever get to sorry, did
Speaker 1: you ever get to tell a person that Ellen DeGeneres
Speaker 1: was a bad person?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: She doesn't really come up in my.
Speaker 2: Life, no, I know.
Speaker 1: But like if you just tell like a regular friend
Speaker 1: like oh, she's not good, she's like not nice to people,
Speaker 1: they're like what, like you know, it's just funny, like
Speaker 1: how yeah, John Travolta being gay So funny to talk.
Speaker 2: To your mom about, Like she no way, no way,
Speaker 2: not being barbarino. But everything is like you don't if
Speaker 2: you're not in in it, and we're pretty light in it, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess you would believe pr or you would believe
Speaker 2: what's happening or these Like I used to watch the
Speaker 2: late night talk shows. I didn't realize they were on
Speaker 2: there to promote something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought you go on to chat.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't even click in my brain that, like
Speaker 2: you're paid to do this because you have to promote
Speaker 2: a movie, like or yeah, yeah, totally, so if you're
Speaker 2: not really thinking about that. The other thing that he does.
Speaker 1: Everything he does say, look, I know it's a TV
Speaker 1: show and if it was completely realistic, it would be boring.
Speaker 1: But he says Grey's Anatomy doesn't go on their show
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, vaccines cause autism and you know
Speaker 1: all this medical misinformation, and it's like, yeah, but do
Speaker 1: you think Grey's Anatomy doesn't convince people that doctors are
Speaker 1: trust All doctors are trustworthy, all doctors know exactly what's
Speaker 1: wrong with you immediately, doctors aren't racist.
Speaker 2: Like of course that's a fantasy too of the healthcare system,
Speaker 2: like that I feel, you know, like just plaining medicine
Speaker 2: would be pretty boring to Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like comparing them is like silly, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think the show is I think he has,
Speaker 1: you know, some good points, like and you know we
Speaker 1: we know Dick Wolf loves cops, Like we know that,
Speaker 1: so you know, we are sort of suspending that our
Speaker 1: disbelief about that so that we can enjoy the show
Speaker 1: because we like these characters, and these characters are you know,
Speaker 1: part of the fantasy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is like onto the next but it
Speaker 2: reminded me of this. But like there is a new
Speaker 2: thing on the internet where people will be like and
Speaker 2: this character's bad, and it's like we're allowed to watch
Speaker 2: things about bad people. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know why things have to be real.
Speaker 2: That's why it's movies and TV, right, That's what my
Speaker 2: dad he hates sci fi because he's always like that's
Speaker 2: not real and it's like who gives a shit. It's
Speaker 2: like so Psycho No, but it's like Dexter Nurse Jackie,
Speaker 2: like shows about people that are like deeply flawed but
Speaker 2: are also like lovable and interesting and like yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just crazy anyway, but yeah, like bad people, like yeah,
Speaker 2: it's everyone's weird. But also I have to remember the
Speaker 2: Internet's not real, like, yeah, and so when people are
Speaker 2: upset on the Internet.
Speaker 3: That's not real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But because I spend so much time on the Internet,
Speaker 2: it's hard to break that apart.
Speaker 1: And yes, Like we were just talking on the other
Speaker 1: podcast about the Little Mermaid trailer that dropped and how
Speaker 1: everyone's outraged, and I was like, but is everyone outraged
Speaker 1: or is this just like what blogs are picking up
Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, like I think that movie's
Speaker 1: probably still gonna make millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think we need to worry, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: racism sucks, it really does. It's like she's so good,
Speaker 2: Like she looks beautiful to be that.
Speaker 3: Like dumb and hateful, so weird when someone sounds that good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's said.
Speaker 2: Everyone that's talked about her singing on set has burst
Speaker 2: into tears. The director said she was the first to audition,
Speaker 2: and he burst into tears, and seven people were crying.
Speaker 2: Melissa McCarthy was on watch what happened? And Andy was like,
Speaker 2: how is filming? And she goes, I heard that her singing.
Speaker 2: I was fully in tears, and everyone on set was
Speaker 2: stopping and hysterically crying. And it's like everyone on set
Speaker 2: is hysterically crying. Can we just like say she's good?
Speaker 2: I just don't get it, like who cares? Wow? But
Speaker 2: also I did. I did cry a lot at Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2: I did go there. I did see a lot of
Speaker 2: you Hi. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: An incredible show. I definitely cried multiple times.
Speaker 2: I would love to see Gaga one of these days.
Speaker 2: But it's so weird now that we're older. Every like
Speaker 2: people are younger than us. I went to get my
Speaker 2: eyebrows done and I was like, so, are you a
Speaker 2: Gaga fan? She does?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I went to a concert in twenty twelve. I was
Speaker 2: in high school and I was like, oh, weird, it's
Speaker 2: just so strange. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was listening to this podcast the other today about
Speaker 1: where they were having this conversation like do you think
Speaker 1: that younger kids like really love Beyonce or do you
Speaker 1: I think that's like such a millennial thing, like that
Speaker 1: millennials are obsessed with Beyonce and it's not really like
Speaker 1: the gen z I don't care as much.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but we're we're what the ads
Speaker 2: are like, did no one take an advertising course in college?
Speaker 2: Like what you want is the twenty two to like
Speaker 2: thirty five, right and then thirty five so forty Like
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, we make the decisions. That's the whole point.
Speaker 2: You get old and then advertising.
Speaker 3: You for Yeah you have the money bit, Yeah it's
Speaker 3: for us. Beyonce is for us, deal with it. No,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think my like gen Z knows about Britney
Speaker 2: Spears and like what she meant to us. They don't
Speaker 2: know who the Backstreet Boys are, Like I don't I
Speaker 2: don't think they understand what I'm like, Holy shit, I
Speaker 2: got we got to see the Backstreep Boys like they care. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't believe in many concerts I've seen this year,
Speaker 2: it's pretty exciting. You're really like busting out into the
Speaker 2: concert street Gaga. I want to see Moona and Noah Cyrus.
Speaker 2: We'll see if that happens. Hmm, we'll see. Is that
Speaker 2: it is that? All?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Well, I've watch I started watching Indian Matchmaking. I like it.
Speaker 3: But we could start this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah good, it's wait before we start, Before we start.
Speaker 1: We did see Christopher maloneyum merccarite at the Emmys, they
Speaker 1: did have a big Emmy moment where she took her
Speaker 1: shoes off and like ram through the whole like hall,
Speaker 1: and it was pretty funny. And then like when she
Speaker 1: got on stage, Christopher Maloney was gonna hand her an Emmy,
Speaker 1: she goes, I'm good, I have two, and it was
Speaker 1: so funny.
Speaker 2: I loved that. And it makes me uncomfortable. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: admit this to everyone. I can't watch them when they're
Speaker 2: not acting like they're I don't like make me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think that they're trolls. I think they're trolling all
Speaker 1: of you. I think you're never going to see them
Speaker 1: kiss ever. I'm so sorry for people that like ship them.
Speaker 1: I just don't think they're ever going to give you
Speaker 1: what you want. They almost kissed on the show. They
Speaker 1: did a whole thing where they leaned in like they
Speaker 1: were going to kiss, and the crowd went wild, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody was like like in their pants, you know,
Speaker 1: letting it rip. But like, I'm sorry, like I just
Speaker 1: that does not I don't think we're ever gonna see it.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like they're trolling us, and I
Speaker 1: kind of don't like the idea that I'm being trolled,
Speaker 1: so I'm fully off of the boat of ever see
Speaker 1: wanting to see it.
Speaker 2: It's just like, are they swinging with their Like I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that their spouses are like best friends with
Speaker 1: each other and they like do Hampton's barbecues and shit,
Speaker 1: that's all like a joke. They're playing it up because honestly,
Speaker 1: that makes you watch the show more, you know.
Speaker 2: But that's it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It makes me so uncomfortable that I don't watch their interviews.
Speaker 2: I was watching Lonnie Love interview them on the Red
Speaker 2: Carpet and then immediately she's like, and what about what
Speaker 2: are the chances of Olivia and Elliot? I'm like, get
Speaker 2: me out of there. And they're always touching each other
Speaker 2: like for they just make me like the It's like
Speaker 2: extreme sincerity in this creepy way that I can't handle.
Speaker 2: But I love that, you said. She's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: got to like I love that. I'm glad you know
Speaker 2: all this. I'm obsessed with them. But like when they
Speaker 2: get together, it's just like, why are you gripping each
Speaker 2: other so DA won't fly away?
Speaker 1: Like and did you guys book your flights together so
Speaker 1: you could hold hands and take this photo so that
Speaker 1: everybody could think that you guys travel together because you're
Speaker 1: really in love as people like, it's just funny, Like.
Speaker 2: The demoise said that people who saw them said that
Speaker 2: they have such best friend vibes and that they were
Speaker 2: like together all night having fun. I mean, when we
Speaker 2: meet and hang out with them, we'll let everyone know,
Speaker 2: but yeah, we'll let you know what happens.
Speaker 1: Because the other thing, it's like, yeah, like never forget
Speaker 1: that they're they both seem extremely happily married, like obsessed
Speaker 1: with their spouses, So I don't think that they're you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's definitely the care they're playing the characters
Speaker 1: when they're out at pretending to kiss.
Speaker 2: See, that's why it's so I don't know why people
Speaker 2: believe anything.
Speaker 3: The pr is so strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so hard.
Speaker 1: But har looked the best I'd seen her look in years.
Speaker 1: She looked so snatched and gorgeous, like she just looked
Speaker 1: really beautiful, like skin perfect, like really really good on
Speaker 1: the red carpet.
Speaker 2: Wait, another Internet moment, How do you feel about Jimmy
Speaker 2: Kimmel with quick to Bronson's acceptance speech. How do you
Speaker 2: feel about that story? And he like that that he
Speaker 2: just lied there. I think it's annoying and fucked.
Speaker 1: I think he should have gotten up. But yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: he was like, I gotta commit to the bit. Maybe
Speaker 1: he thought Quinta would play around with it. It was
Speaker 1: like for comedy writing.
Speaker 2: I don't know sure, but it's like now he's on
Speaker 2: the bottom of every photo of her accepting her Emmy, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because that's the whole thing where he didn't mean.
Speaker 3: To do it. Their friend.
Speaker 2: She's gonna be on his show today and whatever. We'll
Speaker 2: see how she reacts to him. And she did talk
Speaker 2: to the press about it, Like I love Jimmy, he's
Speaker 2: like a god whatever. But I think that's the point
Speaker 2: where it's like he didn't mean to do it. That's
Speaker 2: just what whiteness lets you do, Like it makes you
Speaker 2: think it's fine. Like I think that's the point where
Speaker 2: it's like he wasn't malicious. He's not some like lunatic,
Speaker 2: I don't think, but he didn't even think about it.
Speaker 2: Like I think that's the point that so many people
Speaker 2: are trying to get across, that like whiteness makes you
Speaker 2: not think about things or what your effect ding what
Speaker 2: moments mean for others, Like get the fuck out of
Speaker 2: her speech, bro, Yeah, like when they just announced her
Speaker 2: as the winner, he should have just like scooted away,
Speaker 2: just hop out of the way while she's making her
Speaker 2: way up. Yeah. His excuse was, I didn't even know
Speaker 2: where I was laying. And it's like she kicked you
Speaker 2: and gave you her phone. You knew she was You
Speaker 2: don't hear. You have auditory issues, you can't hear she's
Speaker 2: right next to you. Like I am an annoyed, Like
Speaker 2: making anything about you when it's like someone's big moment
Speaker 2: to get an award and talk is like annoying to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we'll see what comes out of it. Like I
Speaker 2: don't think he's the worst person, but it's like you're
Speaker 2: fucking annoying. M How did he become the king of everything?
Speaker 2: How was he friends with Jennifer Aniston? Like I don't
Speaker 2: get it, the man show guy, Like I just I
Speaker 2: don't understand how he's like the most beloved man out there.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a great guy in person. I never met him.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Show, but he definitely was quoted during times up stuff,
Speaker 2: being like, are you sure we've gone too far? Like
Speaker 2: he's definitely, Like I don't know. I just think laying
Speaker 2: there thinking that you're fan and the bit didn't work, bitch,
Speaker 2: Like it didn't work. You're the godfather of comedy and
Speaker 2: you don't realize the bit didn't work. Roll over, go
Speaker 2: away to be in every photo of her speech, Like
Speaker 2: that's so annoying to me. I saw some people on
Speaker 2: the internet edit it out out him out, so she.
Speaker 1: Can there we go, she can see him, she can
Speaker 1: have some clean copies. And a really quick update about
Speaker 1: our Texas shows that we had to reschedule in Houston
Speaker 1: and Dallas. We have rescheduled them. So the dates that
Speaker 1: were originally supposed to be the twenty eighth and twenty
Speaker 1: ninth of September now we will be in Houston at
Speaker 1: the Houston Improv on December thirteenth, and we will be
Speaker 1: in Dallas at the Addison Improv on December fourteenth. So
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. If you have tickets, they'll
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Speaker 1: all that infos on our Instagram too, and we hope.
Speaker 2: To see you guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get our episodes started today. We have a
Speaker 1: great guest, a great episode, and don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: All right, We're doing Plastic Life's Fantastic Season twenty, episode eleven.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited for this one. It starts off with
Speaker 2: some like fun not copywritten disco music, I would say,
Speaker 2: And we're at a party. Someone is vaping, two girls
Speaker 2: are making out, So this is a cool party. This
Speaker 2: is a trend.
Speaker 1: Svuh thinks two girls making out means wild ass party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and just the vaping is so of our times,
Speaker 2: like this is obviously a current episode. Then walks in
Speaker 2: Mark Foyerstein, one of my favor actors and a public
Speaker 2: Jew that is cool, I would say, a nice famous Jew.
Speaker 2: And he's with a woman that's taller than him, so
Speaker 2: we can assume that he is wealthy. He likes what
Speaker 2: he sees at the party and he's like, wow, gorgeous crowd.
Speaker 2: And then one woman walks by and he goes for
Speaker 2: the most part, and we get I didn't even catch that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we get the title name in the convo immediately.
Speaker 2: So then the tall woman says, nobody's ever perfect enough
Speaker 2: for you, and he says one is, and I'm looking
Speaker 2: right at her, so you know, they're in love.
Speaker 3: They like each other.
Speaker 2: So then they make out a little bit, and then
Speaker 2: she says, let's mingle. They do a sexy look at
Speaker 2: each other and they start moving through the party, and
Speaker 2: the camera pans to the hostess of the party and
Speaker 2: she's making the most disgusting drinks. I have a blue
Speaker 2: mule with blue serka what is it? Coca curas Yeah,
Speaker 2: with moscow, Like why I think, I mean to me,
Speaker 2: blue cirasaw doesn't taste like much, so it's truly just
Speaker 2: to make it look blue. But like I don't really
Speaker 2: know are but the moscow mules are in the copper
Speaker 2: glass yeah yeah, yeah, so you can't even see. So
Speaker 2: it's like just turning everyone's mouth blue and like yeah
Speaker 2: that sugar calori.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's to be hot.
Speaker 2: And it's like because I just watched someone mix a
Speaker 2: drink called like sexy Mermaid and it's like orange and blue.
Speaker 2: Look at that, you know, but you can't even see it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is like that is like so true. The copper
Speaker 2: mug makes the blue part completely mood and it's a
Speaker 2: house party, Like why would you want blue stains on
Speaker 2: your house? It should just be vodka sodas forever. Like
Speaker 2: I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: It's also confusing to me that this woman is very
Speaker 1: rich because she has this gorgeous apartment and she's like
Speaker 1: making the drinks herself. She's like carrying trays of drinks
Speaker 1: like all like you know, all haired and like, oh god,
Speaker 1: my tray of drinks. And it's like you would have
Speaker 1: a bartender. I know, people less wealthy who get bartender.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: When I first started writing, I wrote the bartender is
Speaker 2: making drinks, and then later I had to go back
Speaker 2: and edite and be like, oh.
Speaker 3: I guess it's the hostess.
Speaker 2: Like I guess it's a very wealthy woman, like that's
Speaker 2: mixing blue drinks. I just it was insane to me, but.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't. It's just it reminds me of like.
Speaker 2: Pucker Yes apple teenis. So she's making these blue, disgusting
Speaker 2: drinks for her so called friend. It's a black sparkle dress,
Speaker 2: blonde hair, and the blonde girl's like, damn, all of
Speaker 2: your friends are so hot and she's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: get out there.
Speaker 3: It's cuffing season.
Speaker 2: Go fuck. And then there's like a hottie with an accent,
Speaker 2: and so the blonde girl starts talking to this like
Speaker 2: dude with an accent, and then you know the camera
Speaker 2: is panning throughout the party. So then Mark foyer Stein
Speaker 2: walks up to the host and offers to help tre
Speaker 2: and we find out her name is Trina. He asks, hey,
Speaker 2: do you need some help passing the tray of mules
Speaker 2: around and he gives her a sexy French bottle of
Speaker 2: wine and she's like, oh, oh wow, thanks, and he
Speaker 2: takes the tray and he's out there.
Speaker 3: Now the blonde.
Speaker 2: Isn't it Italian? Sure? Well, she just says I love
Speaker 2: Italian reds Oh yeah, why I remembered it?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 2: So and then it's like, uh oh, the blonde is
Speaker 2: having a hard time functioning, and she's in the bathroom
Speaker 2: mirror and she's drinking like water from the sink and
Speaker 2: splashing water on her face, so we could tell she's
Speaker 2: not doing well. And then a really tall pretty woman
Speaker 2: walks in and it's the woman who is with Mark,
Speaker 2: and she's like, hey, babe, are you okay? And the blondie'
Speaker 2: is like, oh, you know, too many Moscow mules. She says, well,
Speaker 2: my boyfriend's a doctor, let me get him. So the
Speaker 2: hostess walks into her bedroom and there are so many
Speaker 2: people hooking up.
Speaker 3: It's like a teen.
Speaker 2: Party, like truly, like five separate people. It's not even
Speaker 2: one big orgy. Like everyone's just like throughout her bedroom
Speaker 2: looking up. And so she kicks everyone out, and the
Speaker 2: hottie with the accents in there from earlier, and Trina
Speaker 2: asks the guy like, where is Ava? And he's like who,
Speaker 2: And she's like, the girl you were dancing and chatting with,
Speaker 2: where is she? And he's like, oh, she was waisted
Speaker 2: and left. So now we cut to Ava and she's
Speaker 2: disheveled as fuck. She's getting she's like almost getting hit
Speaker 2: by a car. Makeup is smeared all over her face,
Speaker 2: underwear around her ankle, and she starts buzzing trying to
Speaker 2: get into a building, any building.
Speaker 3: Thank god, it's a gay couple. And wait did I
Speaker 3: tell you this that?
Speaker 2: So last time, remember we stayed at that resort thing
Speaker 2: in San Diego when we did my drop, So I
Speaker 2: was there doing stand and while we were there, there
Speaker 2: was like a guy that was freaking the shit out
Speaker 2: of me at night.
Speaker 3: Did I already tell you this?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: He like walked up and he thought our liquid deaths
Speaker 2: were beers. And this guy just walked up. I could
Speaker 2: tell he was drunk and he was just standing over us,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I want to get away, but
Speaker 2: Molly was like drunk, so like they couldn't they ate
Speaker 2: and I was high, so I was up paranoid and
Speaker 2: shit and mollyless. No. They were like, oh, let's just
Speaker 2: walk this way. I go. No, the guy's over there,
Speaker 2: you can like, wa, He's fine. I'm like, he's not fine,
Speaker 2: he's fucking creepy.
Speaker 3: It's night. I'm scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then we walked and then we saw a
Speaker 2: guy who worked at the resort, so I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: can you like walk us to our building? I don't
Speaker 2: really feel safe. I saw a guy I wasn't really into,
Speaker 2: and then he ended up being a creep, touched my
Speaker 2: lower back and tried to walk us into the room,
Speaker 2: and Molly pretended we had a fake other room and
Speaker 2: we're like okay, thank you bye, And it was like
Speaker 2: I can't believe the person we look too for help
Speaker 2: in a uniform was actually also a creep that was touching.
Speaker 1: Everybody's disappointing. I mean that's scary. This scene is really scary.
Speaker 1: Like this scene like is like the way they shoot
Speaker 1: it and you're like kind of at her POV and
Speaker 1: it's like out of control and you're just like somebody
Speaker 1: helped me, Like I've thank god, I've like never been
Speaker 1: that drunk in New York City where but like that
Speaker 1: just feels or not drunk, like drugged or fucked up,
Speaker 1: you know, like that just feels so scary.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and so with the buzzer too, I was like,
Speaker 2: who knows who Who's going to open this buzzer? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so when I saw it was just like lovely
Speaker 2: gay men, I'm like, okay, cool. And that's why it
Speaker 2: reminded me of like just going to ask for someone
Speaker 2: for help and then they're the fucking psychopath. Like it
Speaker 2: was just annoying. And it was annoying having to convince
Speaker 2: like a drunk person who wanted to have fun that
Speaker 2: that was like a man that made me uncomfortable. I
Speaker 2: was like this guy, yeah, standing over us silently.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: Not my favorite. And then he was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: going back to my room, and then he didn't. He
Speaker 2: just stood like ten feet away from us, just standing there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, I just wanted to lay by the
Speaker 2: pool and smoke weed at night and chit chat about
Speaker 2: our fun lives. And then it was like, I guess
Speaker 2: we have to rush to our rooms anyway, protect ourselves
Speaker 2: from creeps. Yeah. So anyways, two old gay men. One
Speaker 2: is like, you got the wrong house. And then he
Speaker 2: realized what's happening. And she's crying and begging for help,
Speaker 2: and the men run out and they're like, what's up,
Speaker 2: and she says she was raped and they help her immediately,
Speaker 2: and then it cuts to the elevator doors opening in
Speaker 2: the hospital and it's Benson walking out to meet Careese
Speaker 2: and they have coffee and they're doing a classic walk
Speaker 2: and talk and then the coffee he hands her is
Speaker 2: almond milk, no sugar, So I just took note of that.
Speaker 2: Careese gives the rundown. It's Ava Purcell, thirty years old,
Speaker 2: mbma Kalonzapan and and her blood alcohol was point one
Speaker 2: five and then rape kit minor trauma, bruising on thighs
Speaker 2: and then they said semen. They never really usually say semen.
Speaker 2: They usually say fluids. Yeah, this like sickened me more.
Speaker 1: Well, we just did do that episode where they talked
Speaker 1: about like the actual number of ounces of semen in
Speaker 1: the stomach and that was a lot too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this the semen's in the throat and
Speaker 2: mouth and they're gonna run DNA. They meet her in
Speaker 2: her hospital room and she's like, I don't do drugs.
Speaker 2: They're like, maybe someone slipped you something and she's like
Speaker 2: I like I don't. I don't really know. So we
Speaker 2: find out, you know, like the host is actually her
Speaker 2: new boss. So she was at her boss's party. It
Speaker 2: was at this boss's loft, and she danced with a
Speaker 2: man named Lee, and then she started to feel heavy
Speaker 2: hot and went to the bathroom and after that everything
Speaker 2: got fuzzy.
Speaker 3: So they're like, where was the salt? When was the salt?
Speaker 2: What's up? And she's like, I do not know. I
Speaker 2: woke up in a strange bed. My ankles were tied,
Speaker 2: and she untied them and just started to run. She
Speaker 2: said that he smelled sweet like Gucci Rush, and she
Speaker 2: said it made her think of high school.
Speaker 3: Do you know Gucci Rush?
Speaker 2: I don't know the scent of it, but I never
Speaker 2: heard of it. When I think of like high school
Speaker 2: sense or college sense. On men, I think of aquadigio. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's what I think of.
Speaker 1: And on women, I probably think of like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: something like I don't know, something different that a lot
Speaker 1: of gals wore.
Speaker 2: What did a lot of girls wear? Like?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It depends on the time per.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I remember the gap body spread were really big. But
Speaker 2: if you junior high, like I used the Dream one
Speaker 2: dream and the Heaven I liked as well. And then
Speaker 2: there was grass and then there was om. There was
Speaker 2: like a bunch of them.
Speaker 1: I love sense like I could talk about sense I wore.
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with Betsy Johnson's perfume. She discontinued it,
Speaker 1: and it's like I still to this day would buy
Speaker 1: a bottle of it if I could find it, like
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. And then you know, never
Speaker 1: forget sunflowers in like eighth grade.
Speaker 2: You might be too young for that. Oh iower and
Speaker 2: one one and I was thinking like cool water. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it was big, dave it off. But I've recently rebought
Speaker 2: my the juicy perfume and it's so good. And I
Speaker 2: love the Abercrombie eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Fun sense fun, fun times to be alive. Do
Speaker 3: you even wear perfume?
Speaker 2: Now you do? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah I do.
Speaker 2: I have like a very signature perfume that people recognize.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: It's called the brand is called Toka t Occa. They
Speaker 1: sell them Sephora and stuff, and then they have like
Speaker 1: a line of women's names and minus Stella.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: I can't just like say it's called Stella because then
Speaker 1: people think it Stella McCartney, which is also a lovely fragrance,
Speaker 1: but it's not mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love the marching.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, we're My mom got a perfume every
Speaker 2: like Mother's Day, birthday, Christmis was like, yeah, fucking romance,
Speaker 2: Ralph Lauren, here's adultcha light blue, get up their faces.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 1: I got my mom via Wang perfume a few Christmases ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're big into sense. I do love perfume anyway,
Speaker 2: So Gucci Rush is the one that reminded her good
Speaker 2: clue and then she goes, oh wait it was hers.
Speaker 2: Oh she smelled, And then she's like finally starting like
Speaker 2: remember the scent brought her back to the place, and
Speaker 2: she says that it was a couple and the couple
Speaker 2: was taking turns. It was a man and a woman.
Speaker 2: She starts to cry, they both raped me. Dramatic music
Speaker 2: into the credits. Sorry, I do feel bad. We went
Speaker 2: on such a tangent about perfumes. And then the next
Speaker 2: line is they both ran raped me. They tag team
Speaker 2: raped me. After a full monologue of perfume sense, we
Speaker 2: opened back up in a shocking turn of events, and
Speaker 2: we're not in the squadroom.
Speaker 3: That never happens.
Speaker 2: I feel like we always come back from the credits
Speaker 2: to the squadroom. So we're at Trina's apartment getting the scoop.
Speaker 2: She says, oh god, that's awful. She did find that
Speaker 2: Ava's person phone were under a table last night, so
Speaker 2: that's obviously suspicious that she like left without those things.
Speaker 2: It was so crowded she didn't even see her much.
Speaker 2: She feels like she didn't even know half the people
Speaker 2: at the party. They bring up the man with the
Speaker 2: accent Lee and she's like, no, he didn't assault her,
Speaker 2: But why are you so sure of that? And she's like,
Speaker 2: cause he was here all night and he is still
Speaker 2: passed out in her bed in little black briefs. They
Speaker 2: bring up the couple situation, like well was it you two,
Speaker 2: and she's like, come on, we didn't even fuck till
Speaker 2: five in the morning, Like leave us alone, so who else?
Speaker 2: Who else? Like let's start brainstorming, bitch, And she's like, well,
Speaker 2: there was a doctor and he brought wine. She doesn't
Speaker 2: know him, but she could tell the wine was super expensive,
Speaker 2: so she hit it for later.
Speaker 3: So she hands over the wine.
Speaker 2: Finn is leading the meeting in the squad and he's
Speaker 2: filling them in on Lee, who was also full of
Speaker 2: drugs and is an out of work actor, which I love.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Someone said the funniest thing to me yesterday. They go,
Speaker 2: you watch Law and Order for business and Housewives for
Speaker 2: pleasure or something like that. I don't know. I really
Speaker 2: loved it. So anyways, so DNA no match. But you know,
Speaker 2: Lee did give up his DNA, which I think is
Speaker 2: a good sign. And it's like, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: him if he was so willing to give up his sperm.
Speaker 2: So now, since the wine is so expensive, the company
Speaker 2: keeps all the ideas of people who buy this wine.
Speaker 2: Baba rescue wine and that's Barbara meo. That's a stretch
Speaker 2: to me. I feel that like they're keeping a database
Speaker 2: of everyone and so, but it is five hundred dollars bottle,
Speaker 2: and so some of it was shipped, some delivered, and
Speaker 2: only one was bought at a store. And the name
Speaker 2: on the credit card is doctor Heath Baron, which is
Speaker 2: an evil rich name like and not a Jewish name?
Speaker 2: Is Mark playing not a jew?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 2: I think he's playing not a jew? Okay, gotta tell ya.
Speaker 2: And he's not just a doctor, but he's a celeb
Speaker 2: plastic surgeon, king of Mommy Makeovers and does reality TV
Speaker 2: and does the talks show Circuit, so he's out there
Speaker 2: just like a regular old doctor.
Speaker 3: Oz.
Speaker 2: His girlfriend is Sadie Parker, and she owns Sadie's Sugar Shack,
Speaker 2: which is designer cupcakes. So let's see if ava can
Speaker 2: make an ID. So she finds the doctor and she's like, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and Creasy's like, are you sure maybe recognize him from TV?
Speaker 2: And she's like, I don't watch TV. I don't even
Speaker 2: own a TV. So she's now annoying, and so she
Speaker 2: also then recognizes the girl and that she was so
Speaker 2: nice and helped her when she was feeling sick. And
Speaker 2: she don't really remember anything else but that this nice
Speaker 2: woman did give her a drink up from her water
Speaker 2: bottle and then everything kind of went dark, and she
Speaker 2: like but before she like blacked out, she does remember
Speaker 2: the woman saying, my boyfriend is a doctor. So they
Speaker 2: got a move and they head towards the townhouse of
Speaker 2: doctor Heath Barn. So I looked up the street where
Speaker 2: the townhouse is and it's Grove Street. And it's only
Speaker 2: a five block long street in Greenwich Village. I've been
Speaker 2: to Grove Street.
Speaker 1: I've been to Saturday Night Live after after party on
Speaker 1: Grove Street. There was like a club called like forty
Speaker 1: nine Grove or something that they used to always have
Speaker 1: after after parties at Yeah, you know, beautiful neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Of course I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Like usually I see the streets and don't know, but
Speaker 2: Grove Street, I was like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I only know it from being there at four in
Speaker 1: the morning being like can I come in?
Speaker 2: But it is like the village does have all these
Speaker 2: little cute like cherry lay like all the commer like
Speaker 2: they're all these tiny streets and if he lives here,
Speaker 2: like this is joke. If he has a townhouse on
Speaker 2: a five block long street, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2: This is an ancient street. So he's calm, he's confident.
Speaker 2: He's like, wow, they sent the big guns. When Olivia
Speaker 2: introduces herself and he's like, we can put this to bedfast.
Speaker 2: I mean, sex can become complicated. But she's like, well,
Speaker 2: why would she accuse you of rape? And he's like,
Speaker 2: that's what I would like to know. Benson asks if
Speaker 2: he drugged her, and he says, no, she actually offered
Speaker 2: me the ecstasy. Chrisye is talking to Sadie at the
Speaker 2: same time, and this is the first time these interviews
Speaker 2: are not gender divided, and a lot of firsts for
Speaker 2: this episode, and she's saying that Ava was into it
Speaker 2: and if she can speak with Ava to clear it up,
Speaker 2: and Chrisy's like, no, that's not gonna happen. Ava is
Speaker 2: not confused at all by what happened, and she's like,
Speaker 2: well she must be. He asks how they met, and
Speaker 2: we saw how they met, so we know that when
Speaker 2: she starts the story, it's kind of a lie. She
Speaker 2: says they met in the bathroom. She said they were
Speaker 2: sharing these terrible blue drinks and Ava thought she was
Speaker 2: pretty and that he was handsome, and she mentioned she
Speaker 2: had a bad three way in college and maybe it
Speaker 2: was time to try it again. She mentioned the bathroom
Speaker 2: moment now, so maybe she wasn't lying, and she offered
Speaker 2: to help. But like we saw that Ava did not
Speaker 2: know Sadie when she walked into the bathroom, like, I
Speaker 2: don't think they were hanging out before. And she also
Speaker 2: says that Eva offered ecstasy and that Sadie took it.
Speaker 2: So they're saying she's the drug addict, that they were
Speaker 2: actually like drinking, having fun, and that she was the
Speaker 2: one that brought up threesomes. They said after they took
Speaker 2: the ecstasy, they started rolling, they got handsy and they kissed.
Speaker 2: Back to Benson, who says, well, she had a kalanapin
Speaker 2: in her system and or whatever drug I said earlier.
Speaker 2: I'm not a pill popper, sorry, guys. And the doctor's like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: that's a dangerous combo. That's no good, and so they're like,
Speaker 2: so you didn't give it to her and he says
Speaker 2: that's against all codes. He would never and he says
Speaker 2: it was her idea to go home, and they both
Speaker 2: said it was fully Ava's idea and she asked to
Speaker 2: be tied up. They have a solid story that it
Speaker 2: was all her idea, the drugs motives. So she said
Speaker 2: that they actually had plans for breakfast, but she was
Speaker 2: gone this morning, and that they're in shock that this
Speaker 2: is happening. They're so confused, and they're convinced that she
Speaker 2: is like using them or was going to use them
Speaker 2: or use them. I don't know, they're just like rich
Speaker 2: and Hout. They don't know what they're saying. Benson does
Speaker 2: not like this dude. We can tell she does not
Speaker 2: trust him, like him at all, and neither do I.
Speaker 2: I mean, are you like, oh no, this is a
Speaker 2: red herring. I feel like immediately you're like, this is
Speaker 2: the man who did it, Like, yeah, there's no games here.
Speaker 2: He makes a sugar baking sex choke and goes to
Speaker 2: the classic of him having a public profile. And I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about this woman or her agenda, but
Speaker 2: me and Sadie did not assault her. And she keeps
Speaker 2: this up, I'm going to have to call my lawyer.
Speaker 2: We can assume it was commercial time and now we're
Speaker 2: back with Rollins and Benson at the vending machines and
Speaker 2: we hear a snack drop down. Then Rollins opens a
Speaker 2: bag of pretzels and says, botox and cupcakes seems appealing.
Speaker 3: I'd be down.
Speaker 2: We won't say the name of the person, but one
Speaker 2: of our friends is fucking these botox a botox couple,
Speaker 2: and so he gets injections and then they like they
Speaker 2: all fuck, oh, well that's nice. Yeah, I thought you'd
Speaker 2: like that. I want a two stop shop. That's great.
Speaker 2: So Rollin's here is pregnant as hell, and she of
Speaker 2: course sides with the creeps like he is hot and
Speaker 2: famous and rich and she is a model, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure people want to fuck them all the time.
Speaker 2: Ava walks in and is looking stressed, and it's like
Speaker 2: you guys were just even like they were just talking
Speaker 2: shit about her. But Benson tells her that they're say
Speaker 2: what you know that they're saying it's consensual and that
Speaker 2: you gave him the drugs, and she's like, I don't
Speaker 2: drew drugs. That is not true, and then she gets mad,
Speaker 2: like you don't fucking believe me, and they're like, we're
Speaker 2: just trying to like get to the bottom of it,
Speaker 2: and she and then of course Rollin's is like, we
Speaker 2: heard that you had a three way in college. She's like,
Speaker 2: even if I wanted to try it again, I did
Speaker 2: not want this. She then flips out that they don't
Speaker 2: believe her. In screams, I do not want this and
Speaker 2: they raped me. Are you gonna arrest them? And Benson's like,
Speaker 2: we will get a search warrant for their apartment. We're
Speaker 2: working on it, like we will find stuff. Relax. So
Speaker 2: now Cariese and Finn are in the mansion and while
Speaker 2: they're walking around, and it is the biggest medicine cabinet
Speaker 2: I have ever seen in my life. There's no less
Speaker 2: than thirty bottles. Okay, it's just like so many pills.
Speaker 2: There's not a lotion, not a mescira, a toothpaste, like oil, pippers,
Speaker 2: not a cute tip. It's all pills, pills, pills, pills, pills, codine,
Speaker 2: ambient oxy xanax. And they're all prescribed to her from him.
Speaker 2: So Carsee goes yep, nothing illegal, and Finn's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I use sorkin narcotics.
Speaker 3: You're an idiot.
Speaker 2: You don't put illegal stuff with your legal stuff, you
Speaker 2: dumb bitch. So he goes he finds weed, but even
Speaker 2: the weed has a prescription, so what the fuck? And
Speaker 2: then Careese's loser ass finds like chains and leather and stuff,
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, what happened to champagne and candy?
Speaker 2: And it's like, you want to fuck with candy? Like
Speaker 2: I don't understand what you want, Like we're talking different
Speaker 2: like times of activities, you know what I mean. Andy's
Speaker 2: the gift at the beginning of the date. Dude, It's
Speaker 2: not like, what are you doing with candy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like yeah, putting dots in their buttholes?
Speaker 2: Okay. So Carisi then finds thumb drives and corresponding notebook
Speaker 2: with the number on the drive. So and with each
Speaker 2: drive number there's like five women's names under it. So
Speaker 2: then we watched the rapes on an iPad. The whole
Speaker 2: squad is watching these videos go back for over a decade,
Speaker 2: and Benson says, get these fuckers, arrest them. So they
Speaker 2: had to a restaurant where he's in a private room
Speaker 2: with Sadie and she's making out with another woman and
Speaker 2: he's like, I've been polite and accommodating and now I'm pissed,
Speaker 2: and they're like, actually arrested, fuck off. Handcuffs, handcuffs. Then
Speaker 2: Sadie screams, I didn't know threesomes were illegal. Now this
Speaker 2: is New York, not Texas, and the handcuff her and
Speaker 2: then the woman that was just getting made out with
Speaker 2: is just like left behind in the dust.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, I guess that's that.
Speaker 2: Of course, the attorney walks into the interrogation room like
Speaker 2: are you fucking ing me? And Finn is like, we
Speaker 2: have a video of her, and she's too passed out
Speaker 2: to consent, so that is rape on tape. Then they
Speaker 2: show the iPad and it's another video of a woman
Speaker 2: passed out and him on top of her, and he's like, nah,
Speaker 2: she's pretending to be asleep. Her name is Melissa non
Speaker 2: Chuk and she fantasizes about being a living doll and
Speaker 2: that's what she wanted. Then he starts talking about erotic
Speaker 2: things and ecstasy and collapsing and they're all a little
Speaker 2: grossed out and just like go give just we just
Speaker 2: need her contact info. We don't need to know like
Speaker 2: where and when you guys all came together, but like
Speaker 2: we got to talk to this woman who likes to
Speaker 2: be passed out. So now Benson is with Sadie and
Speaker 2: Rollins in the other room and she asks if they
Speaker 2: tape all the threesomes, and she says that she likes
Speaker 2: to watch, and then they say you do more than watch,
Speaker 2: and they show her the iPad and she's like, that's
Speaker 2: Jenny Abrams. And then Sadie asks Benson if she's ever
Speaker 2: made love to a woman, and she's taken aback and
Speaker 2: stares at her, and Sadie says, I know you want
Speaker 2: to and someone that gets you, and I mean, and
Speaker 2: she is being hot. She's just like describing like full
Speaker 2: on leeds sex and she's like, don't you want a
Speaker 2: woman's tongue on you and a dude to fuck you hard?
Speaker 2: And they're like okay, okay, stop, just like they're like,
Speaker 2: do you know your boyfriend has a lawyer? And she goes, well,
Speaker 2: I don't need a lawyer. Thanks. I do like her.
Speaker 2: I mean, she might be a criminal, but I'm on
Speaker 2: her side. So she says, I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 2: So the four sum meet outside of the interrogation room
Speaker 2: and they start a four way walk and talk and
Speaker 2: Benson is like, they have an answer for everything increase.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, so did Ted Bundy until he didn't.
Speaker 2: And so they're gonna go talk to all the women
Speaker 2: and everyone from the tapes to get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of what's going on with these two. So one blonde
Speaker 2: woman watches the tape and says, yes, that is me
Speaker 2: to Creasy, and then Jenny says it was consensual, and
Speaker 2: he asked if she knew that it was being recorded,
Speaker 2: and it cuts to another woman, a brunette, who's talking
Speaker 2: to Rollins and she goes, yes, we watched it all
Speaker 2: together afterwards, and Rollin says, well, you seemed really out
Speaker 2: of it, and the brunette's like, you watched me and
Speaker 2: then she just goes cool, like nah, it's really fun.
Speaker 2: So now it's Fins turned to be confused by another
Speaker 2: woman who is like, I'm a high powered attorney and
Speaker 2: my private life is private and you need to mind
Speaker 2: your own business, and he's like, cool, I just need
Speaker 2: to know if it's like not consensual, and she said
Speaker 2: I had a very enjoyable evening. So back at the precinct,
Speaker 2: Benson lets the squad know that they have like they've
Speaker 2: been arraigned and released on ror and everyone is down
Speaker 2: to fuck. So I don't know how this case is
Speaker 2: gonna move forward because it seems like all the other
Speaker 2: women were down to like pretend to be passed out
Speaker 2: and get taped, and so nobody said anything bad about
Speaker 2: them except for Ava and Boom. They are now both
Speaker 2: on the news giving an interview, getting ahead of the issues,
Speaker 2: so they're going on the offensive. I just can't imagine
Speaker 2: this type of thing happening. A doctor going on TV
Speaker 2: to be like, listen, we fuck our friends, and then
Speaker 2: Sadie's like it was all our idea, this is normal,
Speaker 2: Like have you can you has this ever happened?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I don't really think like a show would have that
Speaker 1: person on, But I guess we're supposed to assume since
Speaker 1: he's so powerful and he has connections that he just
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, let me go on your morning show
Speaker 1: and talk about how I like to have threesomes and
Speaker 1: didn't rape anyone. Like it is wild, like to think
Speaker 1: you'd be on like Good Day New York like talking about.
Speaker 2: Because what lawyer would suggest that? Yeah, like yeah, and
Speaker 2: then this motherfucker, Heath the doctor slips up, but I
Speaker 2: think on pers on purpose and he says Ava's name
Speaker 2: out loud and then Ava's wildly there to yell at them.
Speaker 3: So she was live watching it.
Speaker 2: I'm teleported right at the moment where her name was
Speaker 2: said on the TV and she's like, people are calling me,
Speaker 2: they're vilifying me online and TV, and you know that
Speaker 2: I'm looking for a payoff. I don't want to pay off.
Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm done, and I don't want to press charges. No,
Speaker 2: she doesn't have a TV. How'd you even see it?
Speaker 3: Bitch?
Speaker 2: Just kidding. She's a victim. We love her. She was
Speaker 2: like at a bar walking by, like a TV store
Speaker 2: or something that was happened, or she was like in
Speaker 2: the audience of the morning TV show wildly like today
Speaker 2: and then saw it happening. Dramatic music plays. Cariesy knocks
Speaker 2: on Benson's office and runs in and says, I think
Speaker 2: I found something on this son of a bitch on
Speaker 2: his computer and it's gonna be a damning video. So
Speaker 2: another moment for the iPad. And it's an encrypted video
Speaker 2: and it's a young girl like fourteen years old on
Speaker 2: her knees and there are medical books behind, like what's
Speaker 2: going on? And so they think that the So there's
Speaker 2: a girl on her knees and then this man and
Speaker 2: they think that he's this man you only see like
Speaker 2: his bottom half of his body and the med books whatever,
Speaker 2: They're like, this is him. And they sent the girl's
Speaker 2: image to what is it? Nick and Nick Mick and
Speaker 2: they matched it to C. C. Taylor who went missing
Speaker 2: from Brooklyn fourteen years ago, and that is one year
Speaker 2: before Heath graduated med school, so it could be him.
Speaker 2: So they're off to Stony Point Medical School in Poughkeepsie,
Speaker 2: New York, which is two hours outside the city and
Speaker 2: home to Snookie so Ben so Benson's like, go go go,
Speaker 2: and Carisy runs off. So Ifin and Cares are doing
Speaker 2: a walk and talk with a professor at the school
Speaker 2: who was in his class a long time ago, and
Speaker 2: she called him my.
Speaker 3: Little Heath Bar.
Speaker 2: So they obviously like assumed that they were tight since
Speaker 2: she had like a nickname, But she said that they
Speaker 2: that she had a boyfriend the whole time, So it's like, then,
Speaker 2: why are you calling him your little Heath Bar. I
Speaker 2: don't understand what's going on here. She was obviously flirting
Speaker 2: with him, but she had a boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just I don't like the nickname vibe of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she dated a contractor with dirt under his fingernails,
Speaker 2: which she liked just to yeah, just what every woman wants,
Speaker 2: like a dirty finger like figure out.
Speaker 3: Like I just I don't get it.
Speaker 2: And she said the contractor like wistfully and I didn't
Speaker 2: know that was like a classic sexy job, but like
Speaker 2: I get it. But she was like, oh and he
Speaker 2: was a contractor, Like I've just never heard that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a guy who can hang my shelves. You know,
Speaker 2: well I've heard that people like someone that can hang shelves.
Speaker 1: And on the who was on this show where they
Speaker 1: were talking about how he hung my TV in five minutes?
Speaker 2: Oh, sheina sche on vantacomp.
Speaker 1: She just kept saying he hung my TV in five
Speaker 1: minutes about her boyfriend go on.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's so sick in the head. Whatever.
Speaker 3: So he did not take rejection.
Speaker 2: Well, she explains that he sat her flowers candy once
Speaker 2: she went to his place to study, and he had
Speaker 2: a said like there was a five course meal ready
Speaker 2: for her and a super expensive bottle of red wine,
Speaker 2: and the place was near the lake and she lives
Speaker 2: out there, so she's down to like have them follow her.
Speaker 2: She's going to show you where Heath was living during
Speaker 2: medical school. So it cuts back to the MVP of
Speaker 2: this show the iPad. They're looking at like a frame
Speaker 2: by frame of the you know, horrific child blowjob molestation
Speaker 2: video and uh oh there's like an old man looking
Speaker 2: at it and it's her. FO. This is devastating. I
Speaker 2: thought they were going to the lake. I just wish
Speaker 2: I had a warning that there'd be a grieving father immediately. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's switching it up on you. Yeah. So Kevin O'Rourke
Speaker 2: is the dad, and he's been in five episodes of
Speaker 2: SVU from twenty to twenty nineteen. That's that's amazing to me.
Speaker 2: And then he's been in Veep, Boardwalk, Empire, YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: He's working. So he says, oh my god, and then
Speaker 2: we see Benson is with him. He basically says that
Speaker 2: Cecilia went to school one day and never came back home.
Speaker 2: And in good news, she does get to tell him
Speaker 2: that it's not on the internet. It was just on
Speaker 2: one man's computer. He asked. He's like, oh, if this
Speaker 2: is this all over the internet, and so luckily it's not.
Speaker 2: He asks if she's dead and they just don't know.
Speaker 2: He was like she was just so good, like she
Speaker 2: smoked weeds sometimes, but like we didn't raise her like that.
Speaker 2: And he points to the iPad and it's so sad.
Speaker 2: His wife died last year, hit by a drunk driver
Speaker 2: on No Strin Avenue, and he said that, like Ceci
Speaker 2: and Ruth talked about everything, and it's it's just like
Speaker 2: a very upsetting thing. And she was happy until high
Speaker 2: school because but then she wasn't in the inn cround
Speaker 2: in high school and she thought it was because she
Speaker 2: wasn't pretty, and it just like spiraled her into being
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, it just spiraled her. And
Speaker 2: so Benson then asks if she has ever tried to
Speaker 2: get a hold of him, and he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: would have remembered that.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and.
Speaker 2: You know, he's like, we've been praying for it our
Speaker 2: whole lives since she was gone. But seven years ago,
Speaker 2: on her birthday, they had a fake funeral for her
Speaker 2: to help with some closure, but it didn't really help
Speaker 2: at all. And he's just glad that his wife's dead.
Speaker 2: So she didn't see what it was on the iPad.
Speaker 2: So now we're at a title card that says home
Speaker 2: of Tamara Kimball. So we're at Wappinger's Falls, New York.
Speaker 2: It's December nineteenth, so close to Christmas. There was no snow.
Speaker 2: They're not even in winter full weear. I don't think
Speaker 2: they didn't look like winter vibes. Even when Ava was
Speaker 2: like walking the streets, she was like, just an address.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is December nineteenth. So there's a woman
Speaker 2: she's feeding chickens. Caresey and Finn are like, what's up,
Speaker 2: chicken lady?
Speaker 3: Help us?
Speaker 2: And they asked him. They ask about Heath, and she says, yeah,
Speaker 2: he used to live here. Her husband and her had
Speaker 2: just split up because he ran off with the lawyer's
Speaker 2: assistant and the house had way too many memories, so
Speaker 2: she decided she would rather stay at her sister's house
Speaker 2: in Philly. So she put on ad out and Heath
Speaker 2: was the first person to answer it, and so she
Speaker 2: rented it to him. Chrisy asked, did anyone ever move
Speaker 2: in here with him? And she asks, like a girl,
Speaker 2: and Finn, I love the way Finn says this. He goes,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what we mean, and she says she doubts
Speaker 2: it and Crisy gets a puzzled look on his face
Speaker 2: and asks why she would say that, and she says
Speaker 2: that when he came to look at the place, that
Speaker 2: they had a cup of coffee in a long talk,
Speaker 2: and she remembers and that he was like super fixed
Speaker 2: on this girl at med school. She was dating a
Speaker 2: construction guy and she just like remembers he couldn't stop
Speaker 2: talking about her. She explained to him that some girls
Speaker 2: like dudes with calluses on their hands, and that was
Speaker 2: the end of the story. And yeah, rough hands. So
Speaker 2: then she shows them the basement and holy shit, the
Speaker 2: iPad photo and the panels in the basement match he
Speaker 2: filmed it down there. So Finn asks if she's ever remodeled,
Speaker 2: and he says no, and then Finn starts hitting all
Speaker 2: the panels and she goes, WHOA, I never noticed that before.
Speaker 2: I guess there are different panels, and Cariese's like, hey,
Speaker 2: can you actually go upstairs? And she says sure, smiles
Speaker 2: and like scadaddle's up Like nothing scary is about to happen.
Speaker 2: They rip open the panel at like the panels and
Speaker 2: a skeleton falls out. Cares Casey looked chocks, I'm done Halloween. Wait,
Speaker 2: what is a Rudie season? Way, But what does Rosie
Speaker 2: call her skeleton friend?
Speaker 4: Biscuit?
Speaker 2: Biscuit.
Speaker 1: We just got a new skeleton today that has a
Speaker 1: little succulent coming out of its head and it's doing
Speaker 1: a yoga pose and she wants to name it lentl suit.
Speaker 3: It's so cute.
Speaker 2: When is she had lentil soup. She used to eat
Speaker 2: lentil soup all the time and then she stopped.
Speaker 1: It's like one of the only ways I got her, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, good grains and protein and vegetables.
Speaker 2: I miss her anyway. So they rip open the panel,
Speaker 2: a skeleton falls out, just for drama. I'll say it again,
Speaker 2: but in a casual voice. I don't know it is dusty.
Speaker 2: It is kind of wild and so creasy, says I
Speaker 2: guess we know what happened is Cec Taylor. And then
Speaker 2: this woman comes back down and like she's holding tea,
Speaker 2: the mugs crack, everything fall. She starts screaming and she's
Speaker 2: just like oh my god, oh my god. And the
Speaker 2: men seem unaffected by her trauma, like they didn't warn
Speaker 2: her nothing. They're just like, yep, this is a dead
Speaker 2: skeleton in your house, what about stop yelling, go make
Speaker 2: more tea. So like, Creasy doesn't even stop holding the
Speaker 2: flashlight onto the skeleton to be like, ma'am, are you okay?
Speaker 3: Now we're back to the elevator. The door's open.
Speaker 2: Benson, Creasy and Fan and walk off the elevator to
Speaker 2: fill in their captain. He sprayed lie down there to
Speaker 2: cover the smell, and obviously a medical student would know that.
Speaker 2: So then Crease, he's like, we got to get him,
Speaker 2: you know, like, we have the video, we have the bones.
Speaker 2: Bada bing a, bada boom. Let's fucking get this guy.
Speaker 2: And Rollins gets off the phone and says, not so fast.
Speaker 2: The emmy just called and ran the DNA from the
Speaker 2: bones against the hairs from a hair brush the father
Speaker 2: gave them and it does not match. So they're like, fuck,
Speaker 2: what do we do now? The idea gets thrown around, well,
Speaker 2: maybe we can use the video of CC to get
Speaker 2: Ava to testify, And Benson gets an idea and walks
Speaker 2: away and then sways back like and then like you know,
Speaker 2: turns around like very dramatic and goes, maybe it'll convince
Speaker 2: someone else. Sadie so now she's in the mirror Sadie
Speaker 2: is in the interrogation room and she's looking at herself
Speaker 2: in the mirror. She has a really chic ponytail and
Speaker 2: really nice hoop earrings. She says she feels sorry for
Speaker 2: Ava section be a shameful thing, and Benson's like, I'm
Speaker 2: not actually here to talk about Ava, and she's like,
Speaker 2: what are other people spreading lives about us? What's going on?
Speaker 2: And then the iPad comes back out and she's the
Speaker 2: the word of this episode if you want to do
Speaker 2: a drinking game is definitely iPad and she plays the
Speaker 2: video for CC and then the sexy iPad body double.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's one iPad for the whole thing,
Speaker 2: or if they had a lot of iPads lying around,
Speaker 2: like where their stunt iPads where they're like iPads and
Speaker 2: other places, or were they like like bringing the iPad
Speaker 2: to the woods, to the house, to the hospital, like where,
Speaker 2: Like I just want to know how many iPads it
Speaker 2: took to film this scene to this episode. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so then suddenly it's another iPad moment. They keep doing tricks. Honestly,
Speaker 2: this episode is frustrating me. I thought it was one
Speaker 2: of my favorites and I am like fully frustrated how
Speaker 2: many little trick rus they do. So then like one
Speaker 2: iPad goes down and now suddenly we're in you know,
Speaker 2: Rollins is showing it to Mark aka Heath and the
Speaker 2: video at the same time in the other room, and
Speaker 2: he denies it's him, and he claims it was a
Speaker 2: video sent him a long time ago that he forgot about.
Speaker 2: But you had it encrypted, okay, bro, you just like
Speaker 2: forgot you had a child fucking abuse images on your
Speaker 2: fucking laptop and if it's this old, like why is
Speaker 2: it on your new laptop whatever? Whatever? And Rollins is like, hmm,
Speaker 2: that's weird since it was recorded at the same time
Speaker 2: and place where you live during medical school, so the
Speaker 2: odds are you're fucking lie.
Speaker 3: And then it like hits him.
Speaker 2: He's like, whoa, how the fuck do you know where
Speaker 2: I live during medical school? And she says, I'm glad
Speaker 2: you asked me that your old friend Luis took her
Speaker 2: colleagues there, and the music starts to evoke like, oh
Speaker 2: is he getting scared? Like he's getting scared. He knows
Speaker 2: he's about to get fucked because like they know the
Speaker 2: house he lived in, So then it shifts to the
Speaker 2: skeleton picture in the room with Benson and Sadie and
Speaker 2: she's like, you think Heath killed someone and she's like, yes,
Speaker 2: a teenage runaway he used before he found Ceci. And
Speaker 2: then back to Rollins and Heath where he says, you
Speaker 2: think I killed CC too, and she's like, yes, we do.
Speaker 2: Then back to Sadie where she gets up frustrated and
Speaker 2: is like, what is it with you people? Do you
Speaker 2: hate second or you're just scared of it? And it's like,
Speaker 2: what does this dead skeleton have to do with it?
Speaker 2: Or this clear like child getting molested. It's like this
Speaker 2: girl is fucking zonked out of her head. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: she's just like, we enjoy what's natural, just skeletons falling
Speaker 2: out of walls, and she goes and you get your
Speaker 2: jolly's off by turning it in something sick and criminal,
Speaker 2: and then sexy Mauricia goes like, honey, I couldn't care
Speaker 2: less about what you guys do in the bedroom. As
Speaker 2: long as nobody is getting hurt, That's all I'm concerned about.
Speaker 2: But somebody else did get hurt, somebody ended up in
Speaker 2: the wall of his house. She yells, he's a healer
Speaker 2: not a killer. While walking away from Olivia, then says,
Speaker 2: what the hey, You'll never approve any of it. And
Speaker 2: then it hits Benson. Oh my god. She says, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, you're Ceci done dumb.
Speaker 1: Which she remembers because the father said what the hay,
Speaker 1: which is a weird sentence.
Speaker 3: Oh is that why?
Speaker 1: That's what strikes her is because the dad goes the
Speaker 1: dad goes, well, what the hell or something, and I
Speaker 1: remember being like, what the hey, and then she says it.
Speaker 1: And that's when Benson's like, oh, fuck, you just said
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 2: Oh. I didn't catch that. I thought it was because
Speaker 2: of like, you're not gonna prove it. I thought that
Speaker 2: was the the like zinger, Oh that's son. It was
Speaker 2: the what the hey. Oh my god, that's so fucking cool.
Speaker 2: I wonder, okay, so that so yeah, because my next
Speaker 2: note because I'm like, I wonder if she rethinks saying
Speaker 2: the sassy line. But it wasn't even that. It was
Speaker 2: just this saying, damn, Benson is so good. So Benson's like,
Speaker 2: you're the girl in the video and she says, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I look nothing like the girl. And Benson's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're married to mister plastic surgery. Oh so he got
Speaker 2: bored with CC and he turned you into Sadie And
Speaker 2: she's getting worked up, like shut up and stop, and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, this fucker stole your whole life from you,
Speaker 2: and it's time to stop protecting him. She said, you've
Speaker 2: never been in love, have you? And Benson has pissed
Speaker 2: off and says, but does he love you? And she
Speaker 2: says that's a stupid question. I'm everything to him, and
Speaker 2: Benson quickly responds, then why does he inviting other women
Speaker 2: into the bedroom? And she looks like she's going to
Speaker 2: cry for a second and looks away to the iPad.
Speaker 2: The co lead of this episode, she looks at her
Speaker 2: baby face and then looks at the skeleton and says
Speaker 2: her name was Moira. So basically, she met Mora at
Speaker 2: a Brooklyn bowling alley. It was raining and Cec didn't
Speaker 2: have an umbrella. So this woman, Moira, is like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll take you home. But instead of taking her home,
Speaker 2: she took her to Heath's house, to this lake house.
Speaker 2: And so then they're like, so what happened to her?
Speaker 2: And she said that one day she woke up and
Speaker 2: she was gone, and he said that she went back
Speaker 2: to her mom and she saw him paneling a wall,
Speaker 2: but he blamed it on a leak and that's that.
Speaker 2: And Benson says, you want to know what I think.
Speaker 2: I think that Moira didn't live up to his fantasy
Speaker 2: and so and she goes, no, he is not a killer.
Speaker 2: So then it was an accident. Maybe he didn't mean
Speaker 2: to kill her, but whatever it was, when he was
Speaker 2: bored with her, he found you, and when he was
Speaker 2: bored with Cec, he molded you into what he saw
Speaker 2: is perfection. She says, no, he loves me, and Benson's like, no,
Speaker 2: he likes the idea of you. Once your beauty fades,
Speaker 2: then what And then she's like, that is why he
Speaker 2: brings other women home, because he is searching for something
Speaker 2: that can never really exist. Then Mark is giving Rollins
Speaker 2: a speech. It's like an incell speech, but an inceul
Speaker 2: who gets laid. And he's just like, women are fragile
Speaker 2: beings that are tortured by the what ifs. What if
Speaker 2: I didn't have that damn mole, or my lips were
Speaker 2: a little pumper, or my tips were firmer. You get it.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what I'm talking about, detective, and
Speaker 2: he leans in, trying to prey on her insecurities. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've spent sleepless nights wondering what if my
Speaker 2: body doesn't return back to what it once was? And
Speaker 2: she's like, you know what, why don't we stop talking
Speaker 2: about me? I'm done? And he goes, why not. You're
Speaker 2: a woman, You have fantasies, and I make those fantasies real.
Speaker 2: I do not kill little girls, and Rollins gives it
Speaker 2: back to him and is like, you don't care about
Speaker 2: your patient's fantasies. You only care about yours. But that's
Speaker 2: the thing about fantasies. They're not flesh and blood. They're
Speaker 2: never going to be real, which seems kind of of tame.
Speaker 2: But he flips out and he's like, that's it. I'm leaving,
Speaker 2: and she says no, and then the lawyer's like he's
Speaker 2: already been rward and Rollins pops up from her chair
Speaker 2: and says for the rape of Ava. Now he's here
Speaker 2: for murder and gets in his face and says, sit,
Speaker 2: it was cool. Back to Benson and Sadie and she
Speaker 2: asks her, did you rape Ava? Percell and I know
Speaker 2: you weren't in control of what you were doing and
Speaker 2: that you did everything for him, and she says he
Speaker 2: needs me, and Benson responds, but you don't need to
Speaker 2: spend the rest of your life in prison, So tell
Speaker 2: me what happens so we can work out a deal.
Speaker 2: She said that, yes, we gave Ava a lot of
Speaker 2: drugs and it's not like we hurt her, and Benson's like,
Speaker 2: you did, and you more than anyone should know that,
Speaker 2: and she cries and says she didn't mean to, but
Speaker 2: she just likes being beautiful. And then there's a huge
Speaker 2: shock and we go into the like the double window
Speaker 2: into the spy room and Careese is there with Ava
Speaker 2: and she's watching all of this and she's like, damn,
Speaker 2: she's so sad, and then Cariese says to her, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're both searching for something that doesn't exist. Av says
Speaker 2: she will testify and Chrisy says, good, it's the right thing,
Speaker 2: and Benson comes out to talk to the rest of
Speaker 2: the team and says that Stone will give so See
Speaker 2: a deal if she testifies against Heath and so then
Speaker 2: they found too Moira's missing at the timeframe, so the
Speaker 2: work never stops and they have to go figure a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff out. But now the dad is here
Speaker 2: and he goes to see his daughter, who's in the
Speaker 2: cell in the middle of the squadroom, and the dad
Speaker 2: looks confused and then Bence and like, this isn't my daughter,
Speaker 2: Like what's going on? And Benson gives him a nod
Speaker 2: and it says like a thousand words like I know
Speaker 2: it's weird shit happens, but yeah, this is your daughter,
Speaker 2: but like.
Speaker 3: They should have given him a heads up. She's crying.
Speaker 3: She's very ashamed.
Speaker 2: She says, Daddy, I'm sorry, and he hugs her and
Speaker 2: he's so happy to hug her, and they both cry
Speaker 2: and hug and he says it's okay, and she keeps apologizing,
Speaker 2: and then her and Benson make eye contact and you
Speaker 2: can tell this case like really hit Benson and her
Speaker 2: eyes are wet and now it is Dick Wolf. Great job, Lisa,
Speaker 2: thank you for taking us through that. That whole thing.
Speaker 1: The end of this episode was kind of confusing me
Speaker 1: because I was kind of like, when are they gonna
Speaker 1: get him? Like it didn't really feel like they ever
Speaker 1: had like a gotcha moment with him. They just kind
Speaker 1: of focused on like her reunion moment with the dad.
Speaker 1: But whatever you guys want to do, but don't go anywhere,
Speaker 1: because there is a real case and it is wild. Okay,
Speaker 1: we are back and you maybe have heard about this case.
Speaker 1: It did happen in southern California where I currently live,
Speaker 1: where Lisa lives, and it is based on the case
Speaker 1: of Grant Roba Show and his girlfriend Sorisa Riley.
Speaker 2: Unlike this the episode Roba Show is not a plastic surgeon.
Speaker 1: He's an orthopedic surgeon and he is said to have
Speaker 1: worked He says he has worked on sponsored athletes, so
Speaker 1: I guess he's kind of like tries to build himself
Speaker 1: up as this like hot shot orthopedic surgeon.
Speaker 2: And on SVU he was kind of.
Speaker 1: Portrayed like a Terry Dubrow, right, like a reality star
Speaker 1: plastic surgeon from Botched or something. But in actuality, this
Speaker 1: guy robis Show was on one episode of a Bravo
Speaker 1: show called The Online Dating Rituals of the American Male,
Speaker 1: which followed like him searching for a girlfriend, and so
Speaker 1: it sounds like he was basically on one episode of
Speaker 1: Millionaire Matchmaker in a sense, and all of the articles
Speaker 1: about him are like Bravo star doctor, and it's like
Speaker 1: he's not a Bravo star, Like this man is not
Speaker 1: a Bravo leberty. He was on one episode, but nevertheless
Speaker 1: that makes good headlines. But I feel like I've heard
Speaker 1: of this show the online Rituals of the American Male,
Speaker 1: but it probably didn't last very long because I definitely
Speaker 1: have watched like Millionaire Matchmaker, like Blowout, other I've watched
Speaker 1: other non housewives shit on Bravo, and like this one,
Speaker 1: I definitely never watched, and that's weird. So and he
Speaker 1: was also named separately Orange County's most Eligible Bachelor by
Speaker 1: Orange Coast Magazine in twenty thirteen. So this guy is handsome,
Speaker 1: Like I have seen his face, he's good looking. So
Speaker 1: he did that show for Bravo in twenty fourteen. I
Speaker 1: believe by twenty eighteen he.
Speaker 2: Has a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Her name is Crissa Riley. In twenty eighteen, she's thirty
Speaker 1: one and he's thirty eight. And in twenty eighteen is
Speaker 1: where they were both charged with drugging and sexually assaulting
Speaker 1: multiple women in Orange County, California, specifically Newport Beach, the
Speaker 1: Orange County District Attorney Tony Rococcus said that the couple
Speaker 1: seemed like quote, clean cut, good looking people end quote,
Speaker 1: but they obviously had sinister ulterior motives as they charmed
Speaker 1: women they met in bars, restaurants, and festivals like Burning Man.
Speaker 2: Okay, Burning Man's going on right now. Now it's over
Speaker 2: because all the posts have come on. Oh it just ended,
Speaker 2: and I'm yeah, bacause their socials now everyone's posting the photos.
Speaker 2: They act like they're so above us for a week,
Speaker 2: but then they need to share. They can't be post
Speaker 2: as soon as they get back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Joelkim Booster was there, most Shakasher was there.
Speaker 3: That's all. That's all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm drinking iced tea.
Speaker 3: He wrote that his camp gave everyone iced tea.
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to.
Speaker 2: Like trade stuff. There was like a girl that I
Speaker 2: know that when it's a burning Man and I think
Speaker 2: this is so cool. She like wore what are those
Speaker 2: things that hold bullets on your body like Rambo bullet holders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but instead of bullets, it.
Speaker 2: Was chapsticks and she would give people chapsticks. Pretty nice.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: That's nice. So okay, So these this couple. Now, I
Speaker 2: don't like the idea of doctors being a burning man though,
Speaker 2: Like it upsets me, like I don't need you on
Speaker 2: ecstasy in the desert, like I need you and the
Speaker 2: I need you at home. Yeah, these people seem like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They were on the lookout for people to join them
Speaker 1: in the bedroom, just like in the episode. This was
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen when they were finally charged, but they
Speaker 1: came to the attention of authorities in October of twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: when a neighbor of the doctor called the police having
Speaker 1: heard a woman's scream. The woman said that they had
Speaker 1: all been drinking at a Newport Beach bar until she
Speaker 1: was unconscious. I don't know if that means like blacked
Speaker 1: out or like fully like a limp noodle in their arms,
Speaker 1: but she says that the couple brought her back to
Speaker 1: his apartment and began sexually assaulting her with the intent
Speaker 1: to commit rape and the police this is what I
Speaker 1: read that. The police later stated that they had suspicions,
Speaker 1: but we did not have positive identity at the time
Speaker 1: of the reports. I don't know what this means, but
Speaker 1: October twenty sixteen, the woman is at the apartment calls
Speaker 1: the cops.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Maybe there just like wasn't enough proof that it was
Speaker 1: non consensual or whatever. And then in April of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: The following year, a woman said she met the couple
Speaker 1: at a restaurant. They invited her back to They invited
Speaker 1: her to a party. They all went to this party,
Speaker 1: they drank. This woman said she drank a time and
Speaker 1: then went back to this couple's place for an after
Speaker 1: party where they say she says they drugged, raped, and
Speaker 1: quote unquote orally copulated her, according to the La Times,
Speaker 1: So she contacted authorities the next morning to report the assault.
Speaker 1: A blood test did show controlled substances in her system.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened with her report, because again
Speaker 1: that's April of twenty seventeen. They're not getting charged until
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. I guess it's just the slow legal system.
Speaker 1: But again, maybe there wasn't enough evidence to prove it
Speaker 1: wasn't consensual, but.
Speaker 2: I believe that.
Speaker 1: Then the Attorney General's office started investigating them around twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: but they were not formally charged until twenty eighteen. So
Speaker 1: on January ninth of twenty eighteen, police searched Robo Show's
Speaker 1: home and found firearms, tons of drugs.
Speaker 2: Like GHB, MDMA coke.
Speaker 1: They also found video of sexax with one of the
Speaker 1: two identified victims. They also found numerous other videos and
Speaker 1: photos on the pairs phones of other potential victims. So
Speaker 1: a lot like in the episode, there's all this video
Speaker 1: of them, you know, either having consensual or sex or
Speaker 1: assaulting people. Rococcus said, quote, there are a substantial number
Speaker 1: of videos. I cannot tell you if it's tens or hundreds.
Speaker 1: It is certainly more than tens. It appears they are
Speaker 1: highly intoxicated, beyond the ability to consent or resist. They
Speaker 1: are barely responsive to the defend and sexual advances end quote.
Speaker 1: So creepy shit, just like the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's so weird. I can't tell you if
Speaker 2: it's tens or hundreds, but it's more than it's more
Speaker 2: than ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said his office, Yeah, and he's like, our
Speaker 1: office can't release the videos, of course, but everything suggests
Speaker 1: that the women on these videos are also victims of assault.
Speaker 1: So in September of twenty eighteen, the Newport Beach Police
Speaker 1: turned the investigation over to the Orange County District Attorney's office,
Speaker 1: and then they filed charges on September eleventh of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and detectives arrested Robus Show and Riley on September twelfth,
Speaker 1: So the search happened in January. Again, not sure what's
Speaker 1: happening over nine months before they're arrested, but here we are.
Speaker 1: Then they were both released on one hundred thousand dollars bail,
Speaker 1: and the California Medical Board did open investigation into Robashow's conduct.
Speaker 1: The case gained international attention because for many reasons. Okay,
Speaker 1: one of the reasons was Racaucus. The district attorney implied
Speaker 1: that they were up to one thousand victims, and later
Speaker 1: he said he'd been misunderstood and that that's not what
Speaker 1: he meant to suggest that there were a thousand victims,
Speaker 1: but they were instead reviewing up to one thousand videos
Speaker 1: of possible victims. So that got into the press and
Speaker 1: everyone was like a thousand victims. Roba Show was eventually
Speaker 1: charged with sixteen felonies, including sexually assaulting seven women, and
Speaker 1: Riley was charged with sexually assaulting five women. Rob Show
Speaker 1: also was accused of possessing two illegal assault rifles, four
Speaker 1: other firearms, and several large capacity magazines. So on top
Speaker 1: of it all, this guy's a gun nut. This story
Speaker 1: has Orange County tattooed all over it. So the case
Speaker 1: was super drama from the jump, not just because of
Speaker 1: the scandalous nature of the crime, but it was also
Speaker 1: very highly politicized in Orange County because Racaucus is the
Speaker 1: district attorney and he's an elected position.
Speaker 2: So right after these people are arrested, this.
Speaker 1: Man not right after, but in February of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: so about a year later, Todd Spitzer beats Racaucus in
Speaker 1: the election for district attorney. So I think I may
Speaker 1: have said attorney general, but I meant district attorney.
Speaker 2: So now Todd.
Speaker 1: Spitzer is replacing rac Caucus, and he had said throughout
Speaker 1: his entire campaign, I'm going to drop the Robushow charges
Speaker 1: if I get elected, Like I think, I think rac
Speaker 1: Caucus is overreaching.
Speaker 2: I don't think the search was legal. I don't think
Speaker 2: there's enough proof here.
Speaker 1: Like very Orange County, very like sounds like a punch
Speaker 1: of drunk women having a good time and then regretting
Speaker 1: it to me, you know, like very that I feel
Speaker 1: like is what this guy's vibe is. There's also full
Speaker 1: articles that I did not have a chance to read
Speaker 1: about how this guy, Todd Spitzer is fucked and he's
Speaker 1: like very corrupt and letting Orange County go to shit.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: You can read those on your own time, because I
Speaker 1: couldn't get into that. But he's not a good person.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the case is very dramatically played out in
Speaker 1: the press. Spitzer becomes the district attorney and request to
Speaker 1: drop the charges, which was denied in twenty twenty by
Speaker 1: Orange County Superior Judge Gregory Jones. Instead, Jones decides to
Speaker 1: remove the District Attorney's office from the case and order
Speaker 1: it be turned over to California Attorney General's office, which
Speaker 1: is good, a good move, and he cited like there's
Speaker 1: so much politics interjected into this case. It was a
Speaker 1: tense selection between Spitzer and Racaucus. And also there was
Speaker 1: a District Attorney's office investigator named Jennifer Kerns who started
Speaker 1: investigating the case after like those two original calls went
Speaker 1: to the police about this couple that was allegedly maybe
Speaker 1: drugging and sexually assaulting people all over Orange County and
Speaker 1: Jennifer Kerns was removed from the case, and she has
Speaker 1: since filed a whistleblower lawsuit against the county, saying that
Speaker 1: she was being retaliated against because she alleges that Spitzer,
Speaker 1: the new district attorney, had a relationship, like a personal relationship,
Speaker 1: a friendship with one of Robe Show and Riley's attorneys,
Speaker 1: and that's why he was like, I'm gonna drop this
Speaker 1: shit like it's all connections, it's all money and who
Speaker 1: knows people. And he was like, as soon as I
Speaker 1: get elected, this case is dropped. Don't even worry about it.
Speaker 2: It's just so fucked because it's like, no, there are
Speaker 2: crimes and victims. It's not just about your political career,
Speaker 2: you psycho. Oh yeah, I just can't even believe this.
Speaker 2: I mean I can. Yeah. It's psychotic. And Orange County
Speaker 2: they're just a bunch of rich hillbillies. They're trash.
Speaker 3: It's like money can't buy you class or county.
Speaker 2: Is that so true? So true?
Speaker 1: But Jennifer kern said in her lawsuit that Spitzer colluded
Speaker 1: with one of Robashow and Riley's defense attorneys while quote
Speaker 1: engaging in a concerted political campaign to undermine the prosecution,
Speaker 1: discredit the victims, and ultimately destroy the criminal case end
Speaker 1: quote against the couple. And so her lawsuit had a
Speaker 1: lot in there about that, and also the relationships that
Speaker 1: Spitzer allegedly had with one of the attorneys for the couple.
Speaker 1: So I think also there was a point where he
Speaker 1: released one of much like how this doctor released the
Speaker 1: name of Ava in the episode. I think there was
Speaker 1: like one of the victim's names got out because Spitzer
Speaker 1: released a sealed prep like a sealed document that had
Speaker 1: this victim's name in it and claims that oh, I
Speaker 1: got it before it was sealed and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So he thought he had the right to do that,
Speaker 1: but I think he ended up outing one of the victims.
Speaker 1: And then there's so many twists in this case. In
Speaker 1: July twenty twenty one, Orange County Superior Court Judge Stephen
Speaker 1: Dee Bromberg dismisses charges relating to the allegations lodged by
Speaker 1: two of the seven women after they told prosecutors they
Speaker 1: had been quote dragged through the mud and that they
Speaker 1: didn't want to participate anymore. So two of the victims
Speaker 1: at this point are like, fuck this like this is
Speaker 1: too for me, Like I'm getting my life is getting ransacked.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be a part of this anymore. Then,
Speaker 2: in a.
Speaker 1: Surprise decision, that same judge, Stephen Bromberg, recuses himself and
Speaker 1: gets off of the case. Now the defense had filed emotion. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not the defense. I think the prosecution filed emotion,
Speaker 1: saying that there had been quote unquote sharp exchanges between
Speaker 1: the judge and the prosecutors, and so they filed a
Speaker 1: motion to have the judge removed. But then the judge
Speaker 1: just recused himself and did not say a reason why.
Speaker 1: He did not say I'm doing this because of the motion.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this because of anything. He just recused himself.
Speaker 2: Sketchy.
Speaker 1: The case was then presided over by Orange County Superior
Speaker 1: Court Judge Frank Aspino. Eventually, under Aspino, charges are reduced
Speaker 1: and now they are only being charged with assault on
Speaker 1: two of the women, and all the rape charges have
Speaker 1: been dismissed. An amended complaint charges them with kidnapping to
Speaker 1: commit a sexual offense, two counts of assault with intent
Speaker 1: to commit a sexual offense, and other charges about like
Speaker 1: administering and possessing drugs. But and then and then Robashow
Speaker 1: also had weapons charges about the guns they found, but
Speaker 1: the rape charges are dropped.
Speaker 2: So it's like, it's so fucked up, because we've talked
Speaker 2: about this before.
Speaker 1: How if you have enough money, you just keep going
Speaker 1: and keep going with appeals, with appeals, like everything, and
Speaker 1: eventually just you're just you watch this case like just
Speaker 1: everything just gets dropped. And so then during a hearing
Speaker 1: I also was reading that during a hearing in August
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, a woman who alleges that Robasho
Speaker 1: raped her in two thousand and nine pleaded with the
Speaker 1: judge not to dismiss the charges relating to her assault,
Speaker 1: and she said, this case is a complete travesty. I've
Speaker 1: already begged a judge not to dismiss my case, and
Speaker 1: here I am again. So that one may have been
Speaker 1: out of statute of limitations. I'm not sure because that
Speaker 1: was about nine years after but the case by the
Speaker 1: time it was in court, it's like eleven years after her,
Speaker 1: So I don't really know what happened with that one.
Speaker 1: But then in February of this year, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: Judge Frankospino died of cancer.
Speaker 2: And then so a judge named Orange County Superior Court
Speaker 2: Judge Jonathan Fish took over, and he said, at this point,
Speaker 2: Robi Show and Riley are forty one and thirty five, respectively.
Speaker 2: And this judge says, I'll be issuing a ruling soon.
Speaker 2: In April, a motion to quash the warrant used to
Speaker 2: search Robis Show's home was denied. Thank god, something finally
Speaker 2: is like just as happening in this case. And Judge
Speaker 2: Fish said, quote, a woman or any participant can limit
Speaker 2: or withdraw his or her consent at any time. And
Speaker 2: he also noted that a victim can be quote so
Speaker 2: intoxicated to the point where she cannot resist, where she
Speaker 2: cannot consent, or where she cannot draw withdraw prior consent.
Speaker 2: There is no such thing as advanced consent end quote.
Speaker 2: So kind of nice. We found a good judge at some.
Speaker 1: Point, But I honestly that was the last I read
Speaker 1: of that was this motion was squashed in April of
Speaker 1: this year. I cannot find anything about the case since
Speaker 1: so I'm assuming it's like COVID related delays. I know
Speaker 1: that there are lawyers that listen to our podcasts that
Speaker 1: know how to look up cases. I honestly tried to
Speaker 1: do it. I was like, I'll just go to like
Speaker 1: the California dot gov and like try to look it up.
Speaker 1: I could not figure it out. There's like logins. I
Speaker 1: could not look up the case to see where it
Speaker 1: stands right now. But I'm sure some of our little
Speaker 1: legal babies will do that for us. But I think
Speaker 1: now they're just waiting to stand trial for their crimes
Speaker 1: against these two victims. Even though there were thirteen originally
Speaker 1: total victims and there were seven in the court case,
Speaker 1: we're now down to two.
Speaker 2: Rape charges have been dropped, but hopefully.
Speaker 1: They'll get busted on some of these kidnapping and other
Speaker 1: charges and they will honestly probably just keep spending money
Speaker 1: until they're free. And I don't it sucks, but it's
Speaker 1: a very crazy case that got very highly politicized because
Speaker 1: of this district attorney race.
Speaker 3: And I think I'm also wondering if they can and
Speaker 3: you doing this or if.
Speaker 2: They like and they're out on bel.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're still dating, because recent articles still
Speaker 1: call them boyfriend and girlfriend.
Speaker 2: So I don't really know. But well, and that was
Speaker 2: kind of well with the in terms of the episode,
Speaker 2: they probably didn't get married because of the names, and
Speaker 2: like then they would find c you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like who knows what kind of ID Sadie had or
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if she ever had a legal name change
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's yeah, it's wild. This was I remember
Speaker 1: this being one that people were talking about because I
Speaker 1: was living here. I just like moved to la when
Speaker 1: uh well not just but I've been here like a
Speaker 1: year or so when this case started coming out.
Speaker 2: So it pisses me off that they're out and that
Speaker 2: this Spitzer guy was just like a who gives a shit?
Speaker 3: They're my friends will drop out and it's like excuse me,
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: And it just like all this like it's on video.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of video of it. Like it's just
Speaker 2: wild that they still can figure out.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like a lot of shady shit
Speaker 1: was going on, like getting this investigator taken off of
Speaker 1: the case and she says she's being retaliated against, Like
Speaker 1: it's they're doing all. They're throwing up a lot of
Speaker 1: roadblocks to pretend to protect this like hand surgeon.
Speaker 2: Like it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know that's that, But we have an
Speaker 1: amazing guest that's going to make you forget all about
Speaker 1: the injustice in Orange County, So don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you guys.
Speaker 1: Today's guest one of our must haves from the beginning
Speaker 1: on our list. If you don't recognize his face, you've
Speaker 1: been living under a rock for the past twenty years.
Speaker 1: He is an actor from such shows as Royal Pains,
Speaker 1: Sex and the City, The West Wing nine, JKL, Good
Speaker 1: Morning Miami, and a personal other favorite, Wet Hot American
Speaker 1: Summer ten years Later, plus so much more, and you
Speaker 1: guys know him from today's episode as the sinister doctor
Speaker 1: Heath Baron. Guys, please to enjoy our amazing chat with
Speaker 1: Mark Foyerstein.
Speaker 2: You are in some of my favorite movies. We've really
Speaker 2: wanted this for a while. And we just talked to
Speaker 2: Brooke Smith from In Her Shoes.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love her.
Speaker 3: She's a Dan. You're you're kind of like this dream
Speaker 3: man in that movie.
Speaker 4: Do you feel that we're talking about In Her Shoes? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, We're gonna not even though this is an
Speaker 2: SVU podcast that's anyway.
Speaker 4: Just know that I did do my homework and watch
Speaker 4: that episode.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be so scary.
Speaker 2: But that's why it's so different, because you're and in
Speaker 2: practical magic. You're kind of like, I'm the nice guy husband,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, here you're like evil
Speaker 2: from the jump.
Speaker 6: And by the way, there's this secret easter egg that's
Speaker 6: so good and big for the episode that I I
Speaker 6: don't know if you know it. I'm looking at your
Speaker 6: faces and there's a secret connection in there.
Speaker 4: That you may or may not be aware of.
Speaker 2: That American summer. Now that's no no between me and.
Speaker 4: Another character, an easter egg of my past that makes
Speaker 4: it incredibly all the more creepy and wonderful. Okay, great, not.
Speaker 5: Telling you we'll get there, tell no, no, you're gonna wait, ladies.
Speaker 4: But so just to do in her shoes, loved Brooks Smith.
Speaker 6: I think actually I remember hearing that she was very
Speaker 6: I think she told me she was very close to
Speaker 6: playing the Tony Collett, right, Yes, she told us that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she even told us that.
Speaker 1: A couple times doing the scenes with Tony Collette, she
Speaker 1: kept calling Tony Collette the wrong character name because she
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm this character, you're this character.
Speaker 4: Oh, my god, that's amazing. I mean, she's such a
Speaker 4: talented actress.
Speaker 6: You know what.
Speaker 4: I love her so much from is Vanya on forty
Speaker 4: second Street.
Speaker 2: You remember said, yeah, we watched it in high school
Speaker 2: theater class, and that was like my intro to her.
Speaker 6: And she said it was her favorite probably something like that.
Speaker 6: I think that was such a cool idea to just
Speaker 6: they go into a theater. Who knows where they're rehearsing
Speaker 6: the play, but you're seeing them out of rehearsal. I
Speaker 6: just think it was such a cool thing that Wally
Speaker 6: Sean did, who I got to work with recently on
Speaker 6: The Good Fight, which is a kin a kin to SVU.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and he left meu alum as well. I
Speaker 1: think he did an episode in the same season as you. Actually,
Speaker 1: I believe it was the season twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you both played yourselves in BoJack Horseman.
Speaker 4: Who's better than You? That is? That is an unbelievable connection.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so let's get into the SBU. I feel
Speaker 1: like we're like we're all over the Normally we start
Speaker 1: with SVU and then we go to people's like other work,
Speaker 1: and we were all over the place with you because
Speaker 1: we have too much in common and too many things.
Speaker 4: To talk about, So I'll go any which way.
Speaker 2: This episode Plastic season twenty, Well, I asked my question,
Speaker 2: were you kind of pissed you had to wait this longer?
Speaker 2: Like the King of the USA Network? Were you like,
Speaker 2: where's my SVU offer?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: I feel like season twenty is the golden You don't
Speaker 4: want to be in nineteen. You don't want to be
Speaker 4: in nineteen.
Speaker 6: You want to be in twenty, episode eleven because I
Speaker 6: kissed the clock at eleven eleven, it's good luck twenty eleven.
Speaker 4: It's cool my good reasons, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: What like what drew you into the park? Were you
Speaker 1: just like I did you know SVU? Did you like
Speaker 1: like this character want to play something evil?
Speaker 2: What was your I mean, I.
Speaker 4: Think it's always fun to play a bad guy.
Speaker 6: There's I have had a couple of opportunities to like
Speaker 6: turn my nice guy persona into something dark and sinister,
Speaker 6: and I think, sometimes, you know, the bad guy in
Speaker 6: a Bond movie can be the most fascinating.
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 6: Played a part in a show called prison Break where
Speaker 6: I was also like, supposedly this is actually going to
Speaker 6: go in a roundabout direction.
Speaker 2: But I.
Speaker 6: Played Michael Schofield had been killed supposedly in prison break,
Speaker 6: and I was the new husband to Sarah Wayne Kelly's
Speaker 6: and I seemed like a really good guy, and then
Speaker 6: I turned out to be like the most evil guy
Speaker 6: ever who took her husband and put him away, and
Speaker 6: then of course he comes back, finds her, kills me,
Speaker 6: and takes her back.
Speaker 4: But there's something very fun.
Speaker 6: About turning what seems menschi on its head and being
Speaker 6: a real bastard. So I saw an opportunity there on
Speaker 6: this show to do that, also an opportunity to go
Speaker 6: to New York.
Speaker 4: I knew they had some great actors lined up. I
Speaker 4: had never done SVU.
Speaker 6: It's always a good idea, maybe to make someone like
Speaker 6: Dick Wolf aware of yourself, because he does lots of stuff,
Speaker 6: as you may know. But the other thing I was
Speaker 6: going to share is that there was a moment, another
Speaker 6: moment where I was meant to play the sweet guy,
Speaker 6: and that was turned on its head a little bit.
Speaker 6: Uh for a show called Coyote, which not a lot
Speaker 6: of people know about because it was canceled pretty early
Speaker 6: on in it's run on Paramount Plus. But Michelle McLaren,
Speaker 6: who directed a lot of games up. Game of Thrones
Speaker 6: is called me and she's like, Mark, you're we're gonna
Speaker 6: think you're a lead.
Speaker 4: We're gonna think you were a regular on this show.
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be so cool when we blow your
Speaker 4: head off in episode two. It's gonna be such a shock.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll go on that ride.
Speaker 4: But then I took it, so yeah, what am I
Speaker 4: took it?
Speaker 6: And actually the stage direction had describes me as peeing
Speaker 6: my pants.
Speaker 4: As I beg for my life I get shot in.
Speaker 6: So I look for roles that have a lot of
Speaker 6: high status, a lot of coolness. No, anyway, I just
Speaker 6: thought it was a really interesting episode. And you know,
Speaker 6: this all happens pretty quickly. You and your manager and
Speaker 6: your agent kind of.
Speaker 4: Vet the offer, vet the significance of the role in
Speaker 4: that episode, which was pretty significant, and you know it's
Speaker 4: got enough darkness and intrigue that it was worth doing.
Speaker 4: And I was grateful. I'm always grateful to work because
Speaker 4: there's always something that comes of it.
Speaker 6: I learned something every time, and you know, I could
Speaker 6: have said no, maybe a lot more in my career,
Speaker 6: but that's just not Yeah, I love to.
Speaker 2: Work, and you're from You're born and raised in New
Speaker 2: York City, so that's so it's a find a trip.
Speaker 4: To see my father and my parents, and yeah, go
Speaker 4: do the New York thing for a week. Now.
Speaker 2: How was it filming those really kind of creepy, pasted
Speaker 2: out sex scenes. Yeah? Did they make you do like
Speaker 2: a thousand of them? There was so much footage of
Speaker 2: you with different people.
Speaker 6: I know, and you understand this was right after the
Speaker 6: me too stuff is happening, and at the beginning of
Speaker 6: the intimacy Coordinator.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it was probably pre intimacy coordinator, right.
Speaker 4: Just pre intimacy coordinator, but just post me too.
Speaker 5: So a real tricky window, real tricky window, right, And
Speaker 5: so you can imagine as a menschi and responsible and
Speaker 5: fearful jew that I am.
Speaker 4: The second I'm in bed with these eighteen to twenty
Speaker 4: five year old.
Speaker 6: Actresses, I am describing exactly what I'm going to do
Speaker 6: on any take. There is not any license I'm giving
Speaker 6: myself to do anything but what I say I'm going
Speaker 6: to do, which is the way it should be.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's you know, it's all a question of.
Speaker 6: Chemistry and rapport but there should be no more license
Speaker 6: than that woman allows for right in my mind, And
Speaker 6: that was true. Like on the set with Natalie Portman,
Speaker 6: we had an intimacy coordinator.
Speaker 4: It's all full blown.
Speaker 6: Now we're talking to her about what we're going to
Speaker 6: allow and not allow, and of course I'm like, whatever
Speaker 6: Natalie wants, we get to set. The intimacy coordinator actually
Speaker 6: faded back on that show, and Natalie was very game.
Speaker 6: She actually suggested slightly more edgy erotic actions than I
Speaker 6: would have even thought of. So I was like very
Speaker 6: impressed with her and how you know, body and free
Speaker 6: and willing she was to go there. But with these
Speaker 6: actresses where it was so quick and we were shooting
Speaker 6: in a bed and they were like popping in and
Speaker 6: we'd shoot one of them, then another set of actresses
Speaker 6: would come in and shoot another. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna put my finger on your shoulder. Then I'm
Speaker 6: gonna maybe my lips will graze your cheek all the
Speaker 6: way I could go lips. I don't have to go lips,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. You have to be just
Speaker 6: so careful. Yeah, And I'm still, by the way, just
Speaker 6: gonna tease the easter egg that you are not aware of.
Speaker 4: But god damn it, you happened to paint something so good,
Speaker 4: so good?
Speaker 2: I did you like?
Speaker 1: Did you have to do a sex scene with like
Speaker 1: your like child from Royal Pains. I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on.
Speaker 2: You are in the area in the ballparkkay.
Speaker 4: Very in the ballpark. You are nailing the ballpark.
Speaker 6: So now it has to come out because you got
Speaker 6: you did so good on the subtle easter egg quiz.
Speaker 4: You ready, yes? Willa Fitzgerald, who is the victim victim,
Speaker 4: the lead victim in this case in this episode was
Speaker 4: my sin on Royal Pains.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's wild, but that must have been fun.
Speaker 6: My long lost sister who our father played by Henry Winkler,
Speaker 6: had never revealed to us, who pops in season four
Speaker 6: or five. And she's fabulous and like an amazing actress
Speaker 6: and a lovely person and so smart. Graduate of Yale
Speaker 6: Drama School went there with Lupita Nyongo while we're supposed to.
Speaker 4: Be in the Natalie Portman thing.
Speaker 6: I did, but because of Wakanda dropped out, giving the
Speaker 6: role to Moses, who was the best friend on the
Speaker 6: Queen's gambit.
Speaker 4: But that's a side story, Will, that's just.
Speaker 6: Name dropping for no reason, not not in any way
Speaker 6: evoking any stories, just dropping names.
Speaker 4: But the point is Willa Fitzgerald was.
Speaker 6: My sister on Royal Pains and loved her and we
Speaker 6: had this familial connection and then, by the gods of
Speaker 6: our business, I'm in a bed with her having my
Speaker 6: way with an unconscious Will Fitzgerald with your.
Speaker 2: Sister, with myage.
Speaker 3: It's not fun to like, come to set with a friend.
Speaker 4: Oh, was so great to see her.
Speaker 6: It was so great to work with her, but also
Speaker 6: a little awkward because you know, I tend to offer
Speaker 6: myself as a friend, mentor spirit animal to you know,
Speaker 6: the younger generation. So that's what I was to her
Speaker 6: on Royal Pains, a friend and talking about the business,
Speaker 6: and she was so young and new to it all.
Speaker 6: So it's a little weird when you then climb into
Speaker 6: bed and you're like, okay, now you're passed out and
Speaker 6: I'm licking your face.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was fine, and it was great to
Speaker 4: see her and we had a blast.
Speaker 1: Did you get along well with the woman that played
Speaker 1: your girlfriend Flash Project?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 6: She was so lovely, Alyssa Sutherland. Yeah, and I haven't
Speaker 6: seen her since we made that episode. But do you
Speaker 6: remember all of us going to I don't even remember
Speaker 6: what this documentary was about.
Speaker 4: It might have been some effort, some charity of Mariska
Speaker 4: hargeateays she made.
Speaker 6: A documentary and we all went one night to watch
Speaker 6: it together. Ohga and Alyssa and some of the other cass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marishka was part of a documentary about ending the
Speaker 1: rape kit backlog.
Speaker 4: Okaybe it was that. Okay, maybe it was that.
Speaker 6: Well, it was happening while we were filming, so we
Speaker 6: all got to go to the premiere and it was very.
Speaker 4: Cool to be part of that.
Speaker 6: And yeah, and also while we were filming in the penthouse.
Speaker 6: This is totally on another subject of the opposite end
Speaker 6: of totally superficial as opposed to her documentary, And she
Speaker 6: was buying like a forty million dollar apartment in New
Speaker 6: York at the time you were, so I was like,
Speaker 6: it's okay that you're giving me direction.
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. Wow, I love that
Speaker 2: real estate scoop we just got.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could have been twenty million, it could have
Speaker 4: been forty million.
Speaker 2: That's my memory both seem in the realm of possibility.
Speaker 2: Our newest rumor we heard about her is that she's
Speaker 2: been she's moved to Long Island and it has been
Speaker 2: helicoptering in every day to work. That's like we heard.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, we don't know, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we heard the like the Hampton's well, like during
Speaker 2: the pandemic she went to her Hampston's house and now
Speaker 2: she kind of is like there and just like come helicoptering.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god. And do you think what's his name?
Speaker 4: I was on wet Hat American Summer with him.
Speaker 6: He was so funny in that pressor for Maloney, Chris Maloney,
Speaker 6: What do we think? Because I actually got to talk
Speaker 6: to him Marishka about his departure from the show.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so, uh, if you'd like a little of that,
Speaker 4: I'm happy to share.
Speaker 3: Please.
Speaker 4: I imagine a podcast like this might enjoy some of that.
Speaker 4: Scuttle Bud, Yes we want. I imagine. She talked about
Speaker 4: when it was what season was it?
Speaker 2: He he left after season twelve?
Speaker 6: After season twelve, Yeah, it was all like ego, it
Speaker 6: was all negotiations, Yeah, and them not coming to the
Speaker 6: table with as much as he had expected. But he
Speaker 6: is someone apparently you know, Mariska loves him and felt
Speaker 6: like he's someone who really is all about the work completely,
Speaker 6: but just also wanted to be compensated in the right way.
Speaker 4: And you know you can't help. But hear about that.
Speaker 6: Fallout and think, hey, but she's flying in from the
Speaker 6: hipt and you're driving up in your Chevy.
Speaker 4: Maybe we should have just taken.
Speaker 2: It on the chin a little. For twelve year thing
Speaker 2: is kind of I don't know what happens because they
Speaker 2: just we don't know everything. But the rumor is that
Speaker 2: Kelly Gettis just got fired after twelve years because they
Speaker 2: didn't want to give her more money, and so I
Speaker 2: don't get what's happened, like to have two characters twelve years.
Speaker 2: That is like I wonder what pey bump happens at
Speaker 2: twelve years that NBC doesn't want to.
Speaker 4: Do, or like, by the way, we started this with
Speaker 4: a weird superstition thing about season twenty and episode eleven
Speaker 4: app and then episode twelve, are.
Speaker 2: We like yeah, numbers game, I'm a number, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, and now let's keep it.
Speaker 2: But I just wondered together because also I bet the
Speaker 2: vibe Maloney had was like, oh, sv he's not going
Speaker 2: to survive without me.
Speaker 3: They're obsessed with me.
Speaker 2: And then you know, it definitely did.
Speaker 1: Some people say they stopped watching after Maloney, but then
Speaker 1: I mean, the show's still on, they're about to start
Speaker 1: season twenty four. But now he's got this spin off
Speaker 1: that I really like, So maybe everything happens for the best.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I mean, for the reason, I
Speaker 1: thought he was maybe leaving to go try more comedy
Speaker 1: because he's so funny and wet hot, He's so uh.
Speaker 1: He did this show called Happy on Sci Fi that
Speaker 1: was like a funny show. It's funny and Harold and Kmark.
Speaker 1: The more we talk to people, we do hear about
Speaker 1: this contract negotiation thing and that's kind of like what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: So, you know, he was so funny and wet hut,
Speaker 4: oh my god. Yeah. As Jane the Vietnam vet cook.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just like it had the combination of feeling
Speaker 6: like such a real character who could have existed from
Speaker 6: like Asbury Park, New Jersey who went to Vietnam.
Speaker 4: Now where's a bandana and cooks? But did he also
Speaker 4: have sex with a can?
Speaker 2: Yeah? He was in love with the can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, David Wayne is a friend and like, and Michael
Speaker 4: Showalter is also a friend. I love them both so much.
Speaker 2: They're geniuses. I love the I love you, Stella, I
Speaker 2: love all the things. And you were a really bad
Speaker 2: guy in the ten years Later. But the wig was
Speaker 2: so funny that it kind of like that you're not
Speaker 2: as mad or something.
Speaker 6: I loved that curly, weird lyle love it type wig
Speaker 6: that I got to wear for a moment. And I
Speaker 6: love that I was digitally inserted into the movie itself,
Speaker 6: as if I had always been there.
Speaker 4: When they first see me in Wet Hot, there's this
Speaker 4: moment of like, oh yeah, that's smart.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: And they showed me like in the car driving up
Speaker 6: with the whole gang, and I had never been in it.
Speaker 4: It was just a flashback that I was inserted into.
Speaker 4: And that's just another example of David Wayne and Michael
Speaker 4: Showalter's wacky, brilliant sense of humor.
Speaker 2: They are so funny.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Maloney has an iconic character in that movie.
Speaker 1: And we talked to Diane Neal who said that she
Speaker 1: was obsessed with Wet Hot and she used to just
Speaker 1: leave a can in his dressing.
Speaker 2: Room all the time, and he was like, who the
Speaker 2: fuck keeps leaving cans? Then that's you know, well she
Speaker 2: admitted it. And then he goes how old are you
Speaker 2: and she goes, I'm twenty five and he went fine,
Speaker 2: and then wasn't that anymore?
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: So it was an how are your interrogation scenes with Marishkott.
Speaker 6: I was mentioning that when we he did one at
Speaker 6: the Penthouse and we were talking about her twenty million
Speaker 6: dollar purchase or forty million dollar purchase of an apartment
Speaker 6: in New York, and it brought new meaning.
Speaker 4: To the do dung because I actually only heard chi ching.
Speaker 6: And actually I think I did another Law and Order
Speaker 6: on the original Mothership Law and Order with Jesse el Martin. Yeah,
Speaker 6: el Martin, and he is so funny. Before every take
Speaker 6: he goes dun dum and then you roll and then
Speaker 6: it is done, dun duh. He's so great and he
Speaker 6: does it a.
Speaker 4: Little more accurately than I did.
Speaker 6: But we did do an interrogation scene up in that
Speaker 6: beautiful penthouse, and you know, it's a funny thing. I
Speaker 6: think Marishka is like the nicest person and she's so
Speaker 6: good and it's kind of amazing how much she cares,
Speaker 6: which is why I think she gets helicoptered in and
Speaker 6: out to do the show still because I'm sure that's
Speaker 6: not what the budget was desiring for the show, but
Speaker 6: it's because she just truly cares so much, which leads
Speaker 6: her as someone. I'm an actor who got to be
Speaker 6: a director on Royal Pains. I got to direct five
Speaker 6: episodes and I loved it. And that happens when you
Speaker 6: get to like be a lead and a show and
Speaker 6: you get, you know, two seasons in, and you start thinking,
Speaker 6: how can I use this to broaden my horizons? And
Speaker 6: I had always wanted to be able to tell a
Speaker 6: story visually, so I got that privilege on Royal Pains.
Speaker 4: She did too. I think she probably directs one or
Speaker 4: two every season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 6: She started directing me, and I had that little moment
Speaker 6: of like, on the one hand, the ego bump of
Speaker 6: your being directed by your scene partner, and two, you're
Speaker 6: not the star of your show anymore. You're on somebody
Speaker 6: else's show and you got to just take it. And
Speaker 6: on the other hand, she gave great notes and it
Speaker 6: was actually very useful, so you know, it was like
Speaker 6: a mixed bag. Yeah, she's very smart and very helpful.
Speaker 2: How was it, like, you know, on Royal Pains everyone
Speaker 2: knows you in this one role. Is it weird to
Speaker 2: transition or does everyone just respect you right away? Or
Speaker 2: how does it kind of work?
Speaker 4: Well the the great Thank you for that question.
Speaker 6: And I'd like to think I was respected on the
Speaker 6: set of Royal Pains, and I like to think that
Speaker 6: that translates to other sets.
Speaker 4: But the beautiful thing about shooting in New York is
Speaker 4: the New York cruise that film are. There's so much overlap.
Speaker 6: So I'm running every time I shoot a show in
Speaker 6: New York, whether it was The Good Fight or SVU
Speaker 6: or Nurse Jackie or Power and the subsequent spinoff Ghost,
Speaker 6: which I've also been on.
Speaker 4: I run into these guys, these fucking.
Speaker 6: Guys and girls who are in the cruise of the
Speaker 6: grip department or the camera department or the teamster department,
Speaker 6: and it's heaven. And it makes it like Old Home
Speaker 6: week every time I go back to New York to shoot,
Speaker 6: and it's this. It's the part of our business that
Speaker 6: is the most special. Because we just show up for jobs.
Speaker 6: We make some relationships. Some of those friendships make it
Speaker 6: off set.
Speaker 4: Very few, but some do.
Speaker 6: But those relationships which they're always on sets and it's
Speaker 6: always easy to see them and you don't have to
Speaker 6: feel guilty you didn't call or anything, because no one
Speaker 6: expected you to.
Speaker 4: But when you're on that set seeing you know, Joe
Speaker 4: Collins or.
Speaker 6: A grip named Julian or Tommy or Johnny san Pietro
Speaker 6: who I got to drive with to set for eight years,
Speaker 6: or Blake or these guys who you just you know,
Speaker 6: when you think of them, you get happy because they're
Speaker 6: just so in it when you're filming and in it
Speaker 6: with you, like you're in battle. And I guess it's
Speaker 6: the closest thing you could feel in our generation to
Speaker 6: being in battle together, being in an army together, or
Speaker 6: on a great sports team or something. And so that's
Speaker 6: the joy for me, in addition to being reunited with
Speaker 6: Willa Fitzgerald, In addition to you know, getting recently with
Speaker 6: a good fight, I was reunited with a director named
Speaker 6: Nelson who directed me on prison Break.
Speaker 4: It's just so nice when you get to be reuthed
Speaker 4: like Matt shoot.
Speaker 6: His father was a great director, Arthur, and his son
Speaker 6: is Matt, and I forgot his last name, but I
Speaker 6: ran into him at a play. It's just it's the
Speaker 6: kind of relationship that's so unique to our business but
Speaker 6: so special.
Speaker 3: And did you meet your wife on the job?
Speaker 4: No, we were dating. I was doing Good Morning Miami.
Speaker 2: She was doing which is how I first which is
Speaker 2: how I first ever watched you. Oh really, I watch
Speaker 2: My Morning Miami like all the time.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, love it, love it. Had a good
Speaker 6: time on that show. I still was biking last week
Speaker 6: with David Cohan, who was one of the two creators
Speaker 6: of that show and a slightly lesser known show called.
Speaker 4: Will and Grace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say.
Speaker 4: And Dana was on a slightly lesser known show too,
Speaker 4: called Friends. She was a writer on Friends, while oh okay, and.
Speaker 6: The distillation of which show was more successful could be
Speaker 6: best encapsulated by a moment that happened at the final
Speaker 6: taping of.
Speaker 4: Friends, which I was at, which was so a lot
Speaker 4: of the writers.
Speaker 6: Are the people in the plane when Rachel is supposedly
Speaker 6: going to fly to Paris. Those are all the writers
Speaker 6: of the show, and Dana was one of them, my wife,
Speaker 6: And while we were walking around the set, you know,
Speaker 6: good Morning Miami was totally on the bubble, like about
Speaker 6: to be canceled, and Friends was in its tenth year
Speaker 6: at the end of ten glorious seasons, and the head
Speaker 6: of the network at the time was Jeff Zucker. And
Speaker 6: he's walking around the set and he sees me, and
Speaker 6: as we're walking by each other, I say hi, Jeff.
Speaker 6: He goes, hey, we'll do one of these for your
Speaker 6: tenth at the end of your tenth season.
Speaker 4: And then they cancel that.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 4: They canceled it a week later. A week later. Yeah,
Speaker 4: thanks Jeff.
Speaker 2: Good classic Zuck, classic Zuck.
Speaker 4: Classic sucks.
Speaker 2: That's so cool about your wife though, you guys are
Speaker 2: like a little power couple. I love that.
Speaker 3: You guys are a dream Hollywood situation, don't you.
Speaker 4: That's very sweet. I don't know if she would agree
Speaker 4: with you. Boy, Yeah, I'll take you.
Speaker 2: So wait, tell us about this. What is this thing
Speaker 2: that you just worked on with Natalie Portman? Can you
Speaker 2: talk about it already?
Speaker 4: Yere? They are you kidding? Can I talk about it?
Speaker 6: I mean, it's all I got, It's all I got
Speaker 6: to talk about. It's called Lady in the Lake. It's
Speaker 6: written based on a book by Laura Lippman, who is
Speaker 6: a very talented writer. It's loosely based on an actual
Speaker 6: event where a Jewish family lost their daughter to.
Speaker 4: A guy who was mentally.
Speaker 6: Unstable and worked in a pet store and was she
Speaker 6: was eventually abused and killed, and it's all spun out
Speaker 6: around that real event. But it's historical fiction because she's
Speaker 6: dives deep into the Jewish and the black community of
Speaker 6: Baltimore in the early sixties and it's.
Speaker 4: Incredibly well done and well written.
Speaker 6: Laura Littman, by the way, just an interesting fact, is
Speaker 6: the wife of David Simon, who created The Wire. So
Speaker 6: they're like, Wow, power Baltimore couple who really, you know,
Speaker 6: have put Baltimore on the map in such a fascinating way.
Speaker 6: But it's being directed by Alma Harrel, who's this female Israeli.
Speaker 2: Director who's Byron Bauer's girlfriend. No, no, really yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: so she's directing the show.
Speaker 4: She's directing all of it, and all of it.
Speaker 6: Whoa cool She took that book and crafted this magical,
Speaker 6: mystical six episode Apple series based on it called Lady
Speaker 6: in the Lake, And I mean, she's just incredibly impressive,
Speaker 6: such a like badass visionary director and I think in
Speaker 6: her hands, it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 4: And Natalie Portman is unreal, unreal.
Speaker 6: I mean, I remember that we had this scene where
Speaker 6: my character is saying something that is very upsetting to her.
Speaker 4: I don't want to give things away, but she's.
Speaker 6: Sad and I'm there on set just kind of She
Speaker 6: told me to just go, oh, just improv how I'm
Speaker 6: letting her down in this way.
Speaker 4: And as I keep talking to her, I'm just wondering.
Speaker 4: I'm not looking because i don't.
Speaker 6: Want to make eye contact with her because I'm supposed
Speaker 6: to be the guy on the phone.
Speaker 4: But I'm right by the camera spewing and improving.
Speaker 5: And then I just look up and I see like
Speaker 5: a face of tears as Natalie Portman just takes the
Speaker 5: phone on which I'm supposed to le talking and just
Speaker 5: holds it out and like lets it all go. And
Speaker 5: she's just so vulnerable and so with emotion.
Speaker 4: I'm both torn with my worship of her talent and
Speaker 4: my jealousy, you know, a natural actor reaction. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, this was fun Mark this week fun.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking the time.
Speaker 1: I feel like we could talk to you for another
Speaker 1: four hours, but we got to like, let everybody get
Speaker 1: on with their life.
Speaker 3: Bully, We'll see you at some jew Hollywood events.
Speaker 4: Please please stay okay for sure. And this was a
Speaker 4: total delight for me.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for talking to us. That was
Speaker 2: fucking fun.
Speaker 1: I love talking to him. That was like one of
Speaker 1: the easiest conversations. I felt like we were talking to
Speaker 1: an old beal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really fun.
Speaker 2: And it seems like he's just like jazzed on his
Speaker 2: life and likes to work and his family and is
Speaker 2: just like living it up.
Speaker 1: Anyway, this episode today, plastic, What did we learn? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we learned from the real life
Speaker 1: crime that truly court cases will just go away if
Speaker 1: you just have money and connections and you just keep
Speaker 1: throwing money at them. Like these people are now facing
Speaker 1: barely any charges after what was like originally a huge
Speaker 1: like operation that they were doing of their crimes, and
Speaker 1: now it's kind of like maybe they'll get kidnapping and
Speaker 1: like possession of coke or something like.
Speaker 2: It's pissing me off, but you know it is. Oh, Mark,
Speaker 2: I do want to say, it's just wild to be
Speaker 2: a fan of someone for so long and then they're
Speaker 2: just on your podcast. Yeah, and they're nice and normal.
Speaker 1: I think everyone we've been a big fan of that
Speaker 1: has come on, we've been like, well, they're cool. They
Speaker 1: seem like somebody you could just have a glass of
Speaker 1: wine with at a bar and be like, let's chat.
Speaker 3: You know, I never want wine, It's me it once
Speaker 3: in a while.
Speaker 2: I've atka soda, avodka soda. Yeah, once in a while.
Speaker 2: I'll have a wine maybe once every four months. But
Speaker 2: it's like it doesn't do it for me. It's truly
Speaker 2: like all.
Speaker 1: I want to drink most of the time. I want
Speaker 1: to drink red wine when it's cold, and I want
Speaker 1: to drink white or rose when it's hot.
Speaker 2: And that's it. But I do like beer, and I
Speaker 2: will drink vodka if it's like a good vodka cocktail,
Speaker 2: I will for sure. Yeah, wine is my go to
Speaker 2: I'm a wine girl. What can I say?
Speaker 1: Back to the episode, because they do tell us that
Speaker 1: we're going too long in these episodes.
Speaker 3: But that our listeners want it. They want it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a great episode. Says a lot
Speaker 2: about it's very sexual, says a lot about the allure
Speaker 2: of beauty.
Speaker 1: This woman gave up her entire fucking family just to
Speaker 1: be beautiful, like you know, but he also he was
Speaker 1: brainwashing her too, but like you know, every time she
Speaker 1: probably had a new surgery, she was like, oh my god, like,
Speaker 1: how could I give this up?
Speaker 2: I look so gorgeous for sure, because you know, they
Speaker 2: said I remember now. The dad was like, oh, she
Speaker 2: started having problems in high school, but that's like when
Speaker 2: she met him. So I wonder if he was like
Speaker 2: the cause of all her problems, not just this antidote,
Speaker 2: or she met him at the right time for him,
Speaker 2: like she like, I'm sure he prays on girls that
Speaker 2: are going through like that hard awkward you know high
Speaker 2: school phase, tells them that they're beautiful because no one's
Speaker 2: telling them that at school, you know, yeah, fucking creeps. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, Also, don't serve blue Carousel in your heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah blue mules. That's a no for most.
Speaker 3: Dollars because people will then puke blue. It's like, it's
Speaker 3: just not good.
Speaker 1: Did we ever find out in this episode, by the way,
Speaker 1: why he killed the other girl.
Speaker 2: He just wanted her out of the way. Why didn't
Speaker 2: he just say get out of here.
Speaker 3: He didn't kill anyone.
Speaker 2: He killed the guy, he killed the construction worker. No,
Speaker 2: that's not who it was. The dead body was the
Speaker 2: construction worker guy. Oh it Wasira, it was yeah girl.
Speaker 1: You know what, That's exactly what I thought when the
Speaker 1: skeleton came out, I go, he killed his his like
Speaker 1: the girl he wanted, he killed her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought that.
Speaker 1: Then they they checked that it was definitely a teenage
Speaker 1: girls skeleton, and then it wasn't the little girl that,
Speaker 1: it wasn't our girl, It was Moira.
Speaker 2: So why did he kill Moira because he was done
Speaker 2: with her?
Speaker 3: Like, well, he could go to jail.
Speaker 2: I mean, if Moira said this old man's been fucking me,
Speaker 2: he would go to jail. You kind of I think
Speaker 2: it was more of an evidence thing maybe, oh maybe
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, but he could also.
Speaker 3: Be a killer.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows who else he's killed her? If
Speaker 2: he would kill Ceci if she like and do what
Speaker 2: he wanted, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe she like spoke up and was like trying to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, asserting her own power. Anyway, let's
Speaker 1: move on this week's wait wait.
Speaker 2: Before we move on, Yeah, it's wild that the Dan
Speaker 2: Schneider and all that has been popping off, and we
Speaker 2: talked about that months ago after Janette, Well, after Jeanette
Speaker 2: mccurty's book. You know, I knew when that book came out,
Speaker 2: things were gonna pop off. Does she name him? No,
Speaker 2: she calls him the creator, and I guess once she
Speaker 2: calls him Dan, but everyone knows. And I've seen his
Speaker 2: face and stuff. But and the feet stuff's coming out
Speaker 2: and old videos of Ariana Grande like sucking on her
Speaker 2: toes and stuff, and it's like, I'm just I'm just confused.
Speaker 2: How why he's been able you know why Elsa came
Speaker 2: out because we never talked about Tiffany Hattish and fucking
Speaker 2: Ari's spears.
Speaker 3: But is what what was that? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like what what I saw?
Speaker 1: Like I googled it and then I got distracted. They
Speaker 1: got they're being accused of like.
Speaker 2: Well there's there's a video. So it's like there's no
Speaker 2: accusations or not. The video exists. What's the video? So
Speaker 2: I actually sadly watched it, which is pretty fucked. And
Speaker 2: it was because I watched it blurred and that was good.
Speaker 2: And then someone did show me and it's like it's
Speaker 2: a it's bad, it's bad. It's really bad. But I
Speaker 2: was just talking about how like it's so strange who
Speaker 2: we decide to punish or re speak out about in
Speaker 2: those who don't, because in my head, I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: this sketch, it's it is weird. I'll get into more
Speaker 2: details about it, but like Tiffany is this black woman
Speaker 2: and and whatever. Ari's kind of sucks, but like that's
Speaker 2: the thing. But like Dan Schneider was able to work
Speaker 2: for ever all these he made them so much money.
Speaker 2: He was like, oky, you ta good, Zoe, we want
Speaker 2: to watch not no, it's terrible, but like that's why
Speaker 2: they try. I had to like sweep it all up
Speaker 2: when he left.
Speaker 3: It's just so fucked.
Speaker 2: And then he waited a long time and then he
Speaker 2: started this like soft launch pr campaign of how he
Speaker 2: was going to come back, which is what I talked
Speaker 2: about in the episode. And then we were waiting on
Speaker 2: that kind of when pandemic hit. And then her book
Speaker 2: came out and so maybe it's like, all, maybe he's
Speaker 2: going to retreat again, but who knows, and he just.
Speaker 3: Looks so much different than I thought. Okay, the tipping.
Speaker 2: So I read the article and basically it was like
Speaker 2: her good friend like best friend vibes, and this best
Speaker 2: friend had two kids and they were all tight. It
Speaker 2: was like Aunt Tiff, you know, like this is the
Speaker 2: Daily Beast article. I'm not you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: to get sued for liball.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: I guess that's our whole podcast.
Speaker 2: Lol. But it's just so she hired Prince Andrew's attorney,
Speaker 2: Like that's not great. So basically she told the friend like,
Speaker 2: can I use these kids? And the whole the article
Speaker 2: is saying that she groomed these kids and kind of
Speaker 2: like built trust and then asked them to do this
Speaker 2: sketch and lied to the mom about what the sketch was.
Speaker 2: And then basically it's like a video where it's like
Speaker 2: be careful who you leave your kids with. And she
Speaker 2: asks Aery Spears to watch her son in the sketch
Speaker 2: and the little boys like in underwear and he's on
Speaker 2: the floor playing and then r Kelly's starts playing my
Speaker 2: body's telling me yes, and Ari's is like looking through
Speaker 2: like peop holes in the newspaper and getting like horned
Speaker 2: up on about this, like why is this funny child?
Speaker 2: It's not so then he's in the tub, like he
Speaker 2: gets in the tub with this boy. It happens three.
Speaker 2: It's like a sketch in threes. So it's like it
Speaker 2: keeps getting worse, and then they're in the tub together
Speaker 2: and it's really fucked and I guess they showed Funnier
Speaker 2: Die and Funnier Die was like we don't want this, like, no,
Speaker 2: thank you, this isn't funny. So but like Tiffany had
Speaker 2: is a person that knows what fun what's funny. Well,
Speaker 2: so then I was talking with some comics and like
Speaker 2: this one comic was saying like this.
Speaker 3: Is in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Oh, this was a while ago. This is twenty thirteen, Okay,
Speaker 2: So one comic was like it was probably she was hustling.
Speaker 2: Aris was like, someone told me it was Ari's so
Speaker 2: I've been saying Aris. But so someone was like, so
Speaker 2: someone was like maybe she was like, oh, I gotta
Speaker 2: go do this sketch, like I'll do whatever. Oh I
Speaker 2: have these kids, I'll grab these kids and we'll do
Speaker 2: the sketch. But it could be more nefarious because she's
Speaker 2: someone that was abused and usually abused people, Like maybe
Speaker 2: she didn't even think anything was wrong or she did.
Speaker 1: I kind of like, where's the funny part. I just
Speaker 1: don't get the funny part. It seems like they were
Speaker 1: doing a sketch that's a re enactment of an SBU episode.
Speaker 1: Like I don't get where the funny part come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's more of a PSA than anything. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know why they thought it was funny. And
Speaker 2: then it's like, or is he a pedophile and wanted
Speaker 2: to be in a bathtub with this in his underwear?
Speaker 2: So now what are they saying? It's I mean, have
Speaker 2: you seen anything since no been locked down? I think
Speaker 2: they paid for great pr and lawyers and are just
Speaker 2: like lying low.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna happen because in my head
Speaker 2: it's like can you bounce back or not? And then
Speaker 2: it's like all of these molesters bounce back constantly, and
Speaker 2: how do we decide who does who gets to and
Speaker 2: who doesn't. It's just like all so strange. It's all
Speaker 2: just too much. But she hired Prince Andrew's attorney, and
Speaker 2: for me, I'm like, you're so rich, go to an
Speaker 2: island and live just like, I don't know, is that
Speaker 2: a fucked up thing to say?
Speaker 3: Take your millions go to an island and disappear for
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: think work ever again. But yeah, you should read it
Speaker 2: just in case I'm missing something on the Daily Beasts.
Speaker 2: I read it twice, okay, and yeah, but it was
Speaker 2: like her fra It was like, truly, if I like
Speaker 2: took Rosie to go do something creepy. Yeah, so because
Speaker 2: it's like they trust you, like you guys would trust me.
Speaker 2: Rosie would trust me, and so it wasn't some strange
Speaker 2: actor kids. It wasn't a kid she lied. It would
Speaker 2: be like if I lie to you and said, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just some funny thing, and then I grabbed Rosie
Speaker 2: and did some weird pedophile sketch. I don't even understand.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I want to watch
Speaker 1: it so I can understand, but I don't think I
Speaker 1: want to watch it.
Speaker 3: No, you don't.
Speaker 2: And then the kid and then the kids are just like,
Speaker 2: it fucked me up.
Speaker 3: I don't trust people.
Speaker 2: I don't like to be touch like it fucked them
Speaker 2: up because like their kids, and nothing was explained to them.
Speaker 3: They were saying, so it was like.
Speaker 2: The how does a kid brain distinguish between real or not,
Speaker 2: like you did the damage, whether you thought it was
Speaker 2: a sketch or not, Like you kind of sexualized this child.
Speaker 3: And like touched him.
Speaker 2: Weird. It's like, I don't know, it's like it's really
Speaker 2: strange because other things are very cut and dry and
Speaker 2: this one is fucking twisted and weird. And since the article,
Speaker 2: I haven't heard any that died immediately Cray and how
Speaker 2: fucking crazy that she did. Kids say the darkness things,
Speaker 2: and so that means it's Bill Cosby and Tiffany are
Speaker 2: like the two people. Thank god, everybody needs to stop. Okay,
Speaker 2: well that's a porn star, this one port star making
Speaker 2: Bond's always like, yeah, stop looking at us. We're in
Speaker 2: the adult industry. Go be suspicious to people that we're
Speaker 2: openly fucking other adults. Go talk to the people that
Speaker 2: are Yeah over there. Wait, I'm gonna type it in,
Speaker 2: but yeah, nothing's not I can't believe I haven't talked
Speaker 2: about it. I mean, life's been so kind of go
Speaker 2: go go and fun and yeah, so many good s,
Speaker 2: views and guests that we forgot to kind of talk
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm going to move on to what would
Speaker 1: mister peg do. This is our weekly segment where we
Speaker 1: give you guys a resource like a charity, an organization,
Speaker 1: a book, an article, uh something to help flush out
Speaker 1: a little bit what we talked about in today's episode.
Speaker 2: Today's episode was like kind of specific about these this
Speaker 2: uh doctor.
Speaker 1: Both in both situations doctors like doing creepy shit with
Speaker 1: their girlfriends. So I don't really know that there was
Speaker 1: any angle in there, but I did really kind of
Speaker 1: it resonated with me, this poor girl who was like
Speaker 1: drugged and had to like you know, drag herself through
Speaker 1: the streets begging someone to help her. So I kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to highlight this article on date rape drugs
Speaker 1: that I found at the US Department of Health and
Speaker 1: Human Services Office on Women's Health. And you can see
Speaker 1: on that what date rape drugs. I think, to me,
Speaker 1: date rape drugs are just this sort of like ghosty thing,
Speaker 1: like do they look like a riddlan? Do they look
Speaker 1: like you know, like I don't know what they even
Speaker 1: look like, because you know, thankfully I have not ever
Speaker 1: been given one, but you can see what they look like,
Speaker 1: how they're used, how you can stay safe, and what
Speaker 1: to do if you are drugged and assaulted.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of helpful info on there, and
Speaker 2: we will include the link to that in our show
Speaker 2: notes and as always on our Instagram, in our stories
Speaker 2: the day the show gets released and then saved forever
Speaker 2: in our WWSPD highlight on Instagram. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: about that, and next week please join us, we will
Speaker 2: be watching Double Strands.
Speaker 3: Very highly requested.
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