Speaker 1: We are on the precipice as a global civilization. We're
Speaker 1: on the precipice of private industry leading the charge into space.
Speaker 1: And uh, I think I don't know. I was always
Speaker 1: a space ner growing up. What about you, guys? Were
Speaker 1: you interested in this stuff? Do you ever want to
Speaker 1: be an astronaut or an engineer? I did briefly, I
Speaker 1: mean as is a little later in life, but I
Speaker 1: worked at a science center called Fork Discovery. We had
Speaker 1: one of those cool gyroscope things, just probably one of
Speaker 1: the cooler things you actually get to mess within space camp.
Speaker 1: Turns out there's no zero gravity room, unfortunately, but they
Speaker 1: surely look cool on all those Nickelodeon game show, you know,
Speaker 1: prize commercials. Oh yeah, and I spent quite a bit
Speaker 1: of time in Huntsville, Alabama, hanging out doing doing our thing.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the Young Astronauts program on here before.
Speaker 1: I think we even shared an image of me as
Speaker 1: a young boy with a bowl cut in my Young
Speaker 1: Astronauts te shirt. I think we all did. Did we
Speaker 1: all have bull cut periods? Uh buple of a certain age?
Speaker 1: I think it's entirely possible. I had a flat top
Speaker 1: for a time all I know is that the good
Speaker 1: people in Huntsville never told me about any secret space programs,
Speaker 1: and I'm kinda ticked off about it. Yeah, no kidding,
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's something that a lot of people would
Speaker 1: understandably be ticked off about. In this classic episode, were
Speaker 1: are asking ourselves about the existence of space programs that
Speaker 1: operate in secrecy. Spoiler alert, they're very much real. Still
Speaker 1: listen to the episode, though, because the way we get
Speaker 1: there is is fascinating worth the time, and this is
Speaker 1: from so they're even more secret or now, Oh the
Speaker 1: interesting times. I did not go to space Camp, but
Speaker 1: whether or not Matt and Ben got to high enough
Speaker 1: levels of space Camp clearance to be briefed on these
Speaker 1: we do now know about quite a few of them,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about them in this episode from
Speaker 1: UFOs two Psychic Powers. Since government conspiracies, history is riddled
Speaker 1: with unexplained events, you can turn back now or learn
Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
Speaker 1: is Noel. And although I insisted on keeping our show
Speaker 1: from getting into air at the time, it should because
Speaker 1: I had to play some dumb YouTube songs. I'm still Ben,
Speaker 1: hopefully you're still you and uh. Today we are looking
Speaker 1: at something that touches on a lot of basis for
Speaker 1: things that we have covered in the past. So I
Speaker 1: figured maybe one of the best ways to start is
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, guys. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we've ever talked about this on air, did you ever
Speaker 1: want to be an asked or not? When you grew up.
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of Nickelodeon when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and as you may or may not remember, a lot
Speaker 1: of those shows, Respawns stared by Space Camp, and um,
Speaker 1: you know that was the big grand prize. If you
Speaker 1: went on double there you got to go to Space Camp.
Speaker 1: And I think we all remember seeing the commercial where
Speaker 1: these kids were just floating, you know, weightlifts, and we're like,
Speaker 1: I want to go to there. That seems totally awesome.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. My roommate went to space Camp. No such room,
Speaker 1: no such anti gravity room. You know who else went
Speaker 1: to space Camp? Here's that? This guy? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was a young astronaut. I was fascinated by I went
Speaker 1: to a couple of camps and I think Huntsville Alabama's
Speaker 1: where they have a lot of that stuff, and it
Speaker 1: was it was great. I mean that was my dream man,
Speaker 1: I was I was either going to be a marine
Speaker 1: biologist or an astronaut. What did you think being an
Speaker 1: astronaut really meant? Did you? Did you have the concept
Speaker 1: of space scientists or were you thinking you were going
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, battling extra No, I was
Speaker 1: hoping scientists. That's that was the track I wanted to
Speaker 1: be on. I didn't need to talk down to your
Speaker 1: younger self. There he understands. Yeah, I also know you
Speaker 1: know this. I also went to space camp in a
Speaker 1: mass everybody went to space camp except me. So I
Speaker 1: think we should take you to space camp right af
Speaker 1: there we go to David Busters. Look, I'm not joking
Speaker 1: about either of those. And I see your smirks from
Speaker 1: across the table, ladies and gentlemen of the Internet, our
Speaker 1: but the steamed co host by close friends outside of work,
Speaker 1: I think I'm joking about David Busters and the Space program.
Speaker 1: I'm not joking about either of those. Visiting space related
Speaker 1: stuff is so cool and No, you are a meticulous
Speaker 1: person when it comes to your work ethic and a
Speaker 1: lot of people might not know this because you're you're
Speaker 1: very relaxed and personable and and chill when you know,
Speaker 1: when we're hanging out, we're talking from times you do
Speaker 1: get we do know what buttons you have? You guys,
Speaker 1: there's an adult space camp in Huntsville, Alabama, and it
Speaker 1: is available and we can go adult is in for
Speaker 1: grown ups or adult is in like Showtime after Dark?
Speaker 1: Maybe both hopefully it is uh for a four day
Speaker 1: space camp, it's six dollars. That seems like a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Did they cover the food? I hope so
Speaker 1: all that freeze dried ice cream. Man cannot live on
Speaker 1: freeze dried ice cream alone. But if you're like us,
Speaker 1: then you probably at some point when you were a kid,
Speaker 1: thought of being an astronaut. How cool is it to
Speaker 1: go where no one has gone before? And even even
Speaker 1: in adulthood, many of us retain this fascination without space
Speaker 1: right uh. And we've seen the resurgence of this with
Speaker 1: the whole mission to mars Idea, all the all of
Speaker 1: the volunteers who are coming out from everywhere just saying yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. And Ellen Musk, the founder of PayPal
Speaker 1: and and Tesla Motors, just declared recently reiterated again more definitively,
Speaker 1: that he aims to take some people to Mars, and
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe one of us, maybe one one of us,
Speaker 1: whether listening or podcasting today, could be on that ship.
Speaker 1: What we know is that humanity has always been fascinated
Speaker 1: by space, and it's um, it's up there with the
Speaker 1: ocean as the least explored environment that we have encountered.
Speaker 1: We went House of Works, went to NASA's Goddard Space Center,
Speaker 1: uh several months back to check out the successor to
Speaker 1: the Hubble telescope, that James Webb telescope, and when we
Speaker 1: were there, we have videos that will go ahead and
Speaker 1: plug that you can find on the How Stuff Works
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, which is, you know, kind of the full disclosure.
Speaker 1: I'm in a couple of them, the bad interviews. I'm
Speaker 1: the one doing the bad interviews. But then our our
Speaker 1: our friend uh and maybe future guests host right, No,
Speaker 1: Holly Fry Yeah, is on there from stuff you missed
Speaker 1: in history class, so you can learn more about the
Speaker 1: science of exploring space, at least the publicly acknowledged stuff.
Speaker 1: Today's question is a little bit different. But before we
Speaker 1: go into that, let's let's talk about some of the
Speaker 1: things we know about publicly acknowledged space exploration today. Like,
Speaker 1: first off, it's expensive, Yeah, it's crazy expensive in the
Speaker 1: cost of development and five years of operation was estimated
Speaker 1: to be eight point eight three five billion dollars with
Speaker 1: a B for the James Webb for this telescope that
Speaker 1: you're the one, Yeah, the one that you got to
Speaker 1: go look at, and when you were in there, it's
Speaker 1: this massive facility with people just working around the clock.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, because not only did the build a thing,
Speaker 1: you have to test it so vigorously for years because
Speaker 1: once it's up there, it's up there. Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Right? And then there's you know, there's
Speaker 1: a huge history of of of space exploration, right, the
Speaker 1: space race may have heard that term before, right, Cold
Speaker 1: War USSR versus the United States began in nineteen fifty five,
Speaker 1: but it continues today and there are more people in
Speaker 1: the game. Yes, So, as of they're an estimated seventy
Speaker 1: different state sponsored space agencies. Thirteen of those have a
Speaker 1: known ability to launch vessels out into space. Okay, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. So what we're saying there is that of
Speaker 1: those seventy. The majority of the agencies don't themselves have
Speaker 1: the ability to launch their own thing. They partner with
Speaker 1: other agencies like NASA. That is the idea. So of
Speaker 1: those thirteen, though, only six have what's known as full
Speaker 1: launch capability. That means they can actually get back some
Speaker 1: of the things they shoot out to space. It is
Speaker 1: like recovering satellites for example. I mean, it's not a
Speaker 1: one and done scenario where you put it out there
Speaker 1: and we're never going to see that guy again. Um.
Speaker 1: They can actually deploy cryogenic rocket engines. Um. And they
Speaker 1: can also operate probes remotely. Yeah. So once it's once
Speaker 1: it's out there in space, you've got to handle on
Speaker 1: how to make it work. Or you can drop a
Speaker 1: vehicle remotely right to voyage around Mars. Uh. Yes, that
Speaker 1: that's strange that when you think of the rate of attrition,
Speaker 1: there seventy different agencies. Thirteen can put something up and
Speaker 1: six can do something effective with it. Yeah, so six
Speaker 1: out of all the countries on Earth. And we know
Speaker 1: of course that state sponsored agencies are not the only
Speaker 1: ones in the game that you alluded to this earlier, right, Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: billionaires and well not just billionaires. A lot of billionaires though,
Speaker 1: and their private corporations are getting into this, this whole
Speaker 1: space scheme we saw. Let's see space X that's again
Speaker 1: founded by Elon Musk, like you you mentioned, they just
Speaker 1: launched another satellite, the second in just a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks here. I think it was a Thaie communication satellite.
Speaker 1: Previously there was a Japanese satellite that went up um
Speaker 1: And the crazy thing about SpaceX is that they can,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, reusing the materials, they bring their entire
Speaker 1: rocket back down and landed. Someone looks made up. It's
Speaker 1: like this vertical rocket coming down onto a little like
Speaker 1: a drone boat run platform out in the middle of
Speaker 1: the ocean. It's bizarre. It looks like someone played the
Speaker 1: clip in reverse I launch. It's a very strange. And
Speaker 1: I mean, all of this is so fascinating because we're
Speaker 1: entering a time now where I mean this in the
Speaker 1: past has been in the realm exclusively of big government
Speaker 1: agencies that have all of this budget for this stuff.
Speaker 1: And as we know, you know, focus on space exploration
Speaker 1: has kind of waxed and waned over the years a bit,
Speaker 1: and now it's kind of getting squarely in the realm
Speaker 1: of these billionaires who are able to raise their own money,
Speaker 1: use their own capital to do their own research, and
Speaker 1: it seems like some of them are doing a pretty
Speaker 1: good job. Well, yeah, the day we're recording this, Jeff
Speaker 1: Bezos is Blue Origin. Another one. They just launched an
Speaker 1: unmanned aircraft are excusing spacecraft. It's a prototype rocket that's
Speaker 1: apparently supposed to be reusable, just like the other ones,
Speaker 1: and they again landed it back on Earth. So another
Speaker 1: company with another billionaire, and Bezos is the Emperor of Amazon.
Speaker 1: And those aren't the only private space flight uh, space ears,
Speaker 1: space space tycoons. I can't call them space tycoons yet.
Speaker 1: How about space cotiers, space gatiers perfect like Rocketeer. Sure
Speaker 1: you don't seem as happy with that. I like it
Speaker 1: all right? Who else is in this game? Oh, you've
Speaker 1: got Virgin Galactic, another billionaire, there, Biglow Aerospace, X Core Aerospace,
Speaker 1: orbital Sciences. I mean, the list goes on. There's area,
Speaker 1: they're they're all kinds of other ones that are from
Speaker 1: different countries. Sometimes a lot of these are based in
Speaker 1: the US, um, but they're they're all over the planet, right,
Speaker 1: and just being based in the US, of course, does
Speaker 1: not restrict their operations there there are optimal places around
Speaker 1: the globe from which to launch something into space, so
Speaker 1: they travel widely there on a world tour. So given
Speaker 1: the lessons learned from the private entities and from the
Speaker 1: history of state sponsored space agencies, we found, uh, we
Speaker 1: found some some pretty interesting things about space travel. If
Speaker 1: you are interested in the idea of space travel, we'd
Speaker 1: also like you to check out how stuff works other
Speaker 1: podcast particularly well, I don't know, I think almost everybody
Speaker 1: has something about space travel. Absolutely. Our friends over it's
Speaker 1: touf mom never told you have done some great work
Speaker 1: on female astronauts, women in the airspace industry in general. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so so it goes across the board. Every every
Speaker 1: podcast we have as something about space has done a
Speaker 1: couple of things, right, yeah, yeah, as well, so we
Speaker 1: did lunar rovers So what we found is that despite
Speaker 1: the evolution of space travel, there's still a few things
Speaker 1: that are true and and here they are just across
Speaker 1: the board. I'll go first. It's terrifyingly easy for something
Speaker 1: to go wrong, frighteningly easy. For example, the Challenger disaster.
Speaker 1: And that's not the that's not that's just one that's
Speaker 1: in the public sphere. There are multiple classified accidents that
Speaker 1: occurred during the Soviet space programs. You've learned about a
Speaker 1: few of those cosmonauts, and we have done work before
Speaker 1: on the lost cosmonaut theories, and I think on it
Speaker 1: than Strictland from tech stuff has covered it. But definitely
Speaker 1: people died in training, and as we mentioned earlier, podcasts
Speaker 1: were literally erased from history. There's some fascinating stories in
Speaker 1: within that topic, so I would encourage you to go
Speaker 1: check that out if you're listening to this. So a
Speaker 1: big part, like what I was alluding to earlier, that
Speaker 1: makes this so difficult to do is that these voyages,
Speaker 1: this equipment, everything that goes into doing this stuff incredibly
Speaker 1: prohibitively expensive. So the average cost of a man space
Speaker 1: launch was estimated to be four hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars in twenty eleven. That's for a single launch, and
Speaker 1: that's by NASA. That's by NASA, and then the overall
Speaker 1: cost for a shuttle's thirty year lifespan. So if you're
Speaker 1: in it for the long haul, you're looking at a
Speaker 1: one hundred and nineties six billion dollar tab, which is
Speaker 1: adjusted for inflation for for right now? But still, how
Speaker 1: is that a number? Yeah, that's that's amazing. But then
Speaker 1: there's there's a third thing here about every kind of
Speaker 1: space endeavor, which we were startled to find in some
Speaker 1: of our earlier work. Yeah, how in the heck do
Speaker 1: you keep it a secret that you are using fuel,
Speaker 1: very loud, very bright, uh fuel to launch things up
Speaker 1: into and beyond the atmosphere? How do you keep that
Speaker 1: a secret? And then how do you keep a satellite
Speaker 1: a secret? And when it's orbiting in the sky, which
Speaker 1: at this point is still uncensored. Today's question, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: do world governments and corporations have secret space programs? Given
Speaker 1: the cost, given how incredibly difficult it is. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to make a video game reference. Tell
Speaker 1: me if I get it. It's like if there were
Speaker 1: Dark Souls fourteen? Does that work? I think so? I
Speaker 1: mean so it's a little different, but I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: is the tough one, right, Yeah, that's the tough one.
Speaker 1: I'm so out of it. Well, yeah, because in a way,
Speaker 1: every time, if you really want to get into the
Speaker 1: space program, much like if you really want to get
Speaker 1: into Dark souls. You basically have to take up the
Speaker 1: controller and attempt as many times as you possibly can,
Speaker 1: and you'll get things right as you go along, little
Speaker 1: by little by little by little. But ultimately you can't
Speaker 1: just jump in and get the whole thing right. You
Speaker 1: can't just win by starting the space race. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that I gave you this albatross of a metaphor. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to work with it. Let's just let it go.
Speaker 1: I apologize. I guess one thing is ultimately you end
Speaker 1: up throwing the controller against the wall in both cases.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, that's familiar, the controller or the or
Speaker 1: the lander. Right. What we know for sure that we
Speaker 1: know for sure that secret space programs did exist, and
Speaker 1: historically the origins of really space programs are shrouded in secret.
Speaker 1: The gan is research into rocketry and rockets. The idea
Speaker 1: of a rocket is ancient, dates all the way back
Speaker 1: to the first principles essential to rocket flight came from
Speaker 1: the writings of a Roman named ALUs Gellius, who told
Speaker 1: a story about a Greek guy named Arcatas who lived
Speaker 1: in a city called Tarantum is now part of southern Italy,
Speaker 1: somewhere around four b C. According to this story, he uh,
Speaker 1: he made a pigeon out of wood and amused people
Speaker 1: by flying it using the principles of rocketry, the action
Speaker 1: reaction principle, which wasn't a scientific law until the seventeenth century.
Speaker 1: The point is, maybe this metaphor is not or this
Speaker 1: excuse me, comparison is not that far off, because you
Speaker 1: were you are absolutely right about baby steps. So we
Speaker 1: know that people began working on rockets way before they
Speaker 1: thought about taking them to space. But we know that
Speaker 1: given the research of rocketry and the enormous jump it
Speaker 1: had during World War Two, the foundations of the US
Speaker 1: rocketry programs, the U s s R, which was the
Speaker 1: big the big other agency at the Cold War uh,
Speaker 1: and what ultimately became a space program, what ultimately led
Speaker 1: to atomic bombs, involved some shady stuff. In particular something
Speaker 1: known as Operation paper Clip. Yes, that's when Nazi scientists
Speaker 1: and scientists from other non Allied countries were brought to
Speaker 1: both to the to the United States, to the United
Speaker 1: Kingdoms and other parts of the world where they were
Speaker 1: secreted away. You know, these are people who were working
Speaker 1: on specialized projects for let's say, for bad people doing
Speaker 1: bad things like them or Brown. Yeah, but they had
Speaker 1: an amazing amount of research and intelligence and stra tegically,
Speaker 1: I guess it just made a lot of sense to
Speaker 1: keep them around and just to jump on the the
Speaker 1: rocketry programs that the world had. It was all about
Speaker 1: launching a missile or launching, you know, a bomb. How
Speaker 1: do I get this bomb all the way over here
Speaker 1: where I wanted to explode and you know, not have
Speaker 1: to take a ship over there or a plane or something.
Speaker 1: That's that is why we have space flight. It's because
Speaker 1: we wanted to figure out how to more effectively bomb
Speaker 1: people from far away, which is kind of strange to
Speaker 1: think about. And the U. S. Government as a history
Speaker 1: of this as well. I mean, the CIA actually ran
Speaker 1: a secret satellite surveillance network another fun thing to say
Speaker 1: three times fast from fifty nine to nineteen two, where
Speaker 1: and they spied on the USSR and the people's reblic
Speaker 1: with China from you guessed it out of space UM.
Speaker 1: And this is a story I love so much because
Speaker 1: it just goes to show the scrappy nature of you know,
Speaker 1: and things done by the U. S. Government. So the
Speaker 1: UM satellite didn't actually have the ability to transmit photographs
Speaker 1: remotely you know, through uh, through the air, right the sixties,
Speaker 1: what's what's what's the what's the fix there? Well, they
Speaker 1: actually had negatives and they would drop the negatives from space. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm picturing little parachutes and I just don't even There
Speaker 1: are pictures you can see pictures and even diagrams on
Speaker 1: well wikipedias where I found them of the Corona that
Speaker 1: we're talking about, the Corona program. Uh, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: see just just how old fashioned it looks and feels.
Speaker 1: How just can't imagine how who do they send out?
Speaker 1: What poor sucker do they send out to find these things?
Speaker 1: And where's the film adaptation to that? I bet there's
Speaker 1: maybe there's a classified script there still somewhere. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of money on that as well.
Speaker 1: According to some former officials, the total estimated cost of
Speaker 1: the program was eight hundred and fifty million dollars, which
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like that much compared to you know, four
Speaker 1: fifty for one launch, right, but you know we're talking
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties dollars when it was mostly in use, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they factor did you know,
Speaker 1: like developing the film developing got interns to do that right, right,
Speaker 1: they just went to a photo mat um or something,
Speaker 1: and they weren't the only ones doing it, and and uh,
Speaker 1: Corona was not the most um widespread of these sorts
Speaker 1: of programs. Oh yeah, the Russian side had theirs. Their
Speaker 1: own thing is Zenet I think it. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: exactly how to pronounce it, but they were doing photo
Speaker 1: reconnaissance in the same way, um, but they were doing
Speaker 1: it a lot more I think. I think their their
Speaker 1: program was a lot more extensive. Yeah, they had over
Speaker 1: five hundred Zenet satellites flown, which makes it to this
Speaker 1: day the most numerous type of satellite in the history
Speaker 1: of space exploration. Yeah, oh yeah, these were launched. Okay,
Speaker 1: so here's here's a weird anecdote that does apply to this.
Speaker 1: So we all know what a tank is, right, Uh? Tank?
Speaker 1: In war, they're called tanks. And the old story goes
Speaker 1: because when they were being shipped around in England or
Speaker 1: around Europe to avoid prying eyes, they were created and
Speaker 1: called water tanks, and so that became the nickname. Going
Speaker 1: to our earlier point about how difficult it would be
Speaker 1: to secretly launched something from space, Uh, these things the
Speaker 1: Russians in the US accepted that the other side would
Speaker 1: notice when they sent something into space, so they labeled
Speaker 1: them as different things or put them in different programs
Speaker 1: so that they seemed like they were accomplishing a different purpose.
Speaker 1: And as as you said, oh yeah, these these were
Speaker 1: probably above top secret level, some kind of compartmentalized need
Speaker 1: to know basis intelligence where you know, imagine that you're
Speaker 1: the president of a country and then some suit comes
Speaker 1: up to you one of your advisors and says, we
Speaker 1: have evidence that shows that we need to, you know,
Speaker 1: invade this country now or send a force here. You
Speaker 1: go why, and they say, we can't tell you, and
Speaker 1: then you go, but I'm the president, and then say
Speaker 1: I know, Mr President. And then eventually you're persuasive enough
Speaker 1: that somebody from uh, you know, the CIA or the
Speaker 1: n s A or some other alphabet agency just sort
Speaker 1: of slides a blurry photograph across across the desk at you.
Speaker 1: And that's how you find out how did you get
Speaker 1: focused on this? So yeah, wait, wait, and the way
Speaker 1: these saddle lights look the zenit programmed satellites. You can
Speaker 1: again go on Wikipedia. You can look at a picture
Speaker 1: of one of these. It looks like a large sphere
Speaker 1: that has some optics kind of and glass pointing out
Speaker 1: of it, and then a little I don't know if
Speaker 1: in this picture that's being shown, if it's just sitting
Speaker 1: on a holder because it is a giant sphere. I
Speaker 1: think that's probably the case. They just put the sphere
Speaker 1: down on a on a base. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys remember the stories coming out a couple
Speaker 1: maybe a month ago about the giant spheres found in Bosnia.
Speaker 1: This is complete tangent here, but giant spheres found in
Speaker 1: there's supposedly these huge stone spheres, and this one guy
Speaker 1: found one, and he's claiming that it's all these different things,
Speaker 1: and there have been numerous explanations about what it is.
Speaker 1: It looks exactly leg a Zenit satellite one that maybe
Speaker 1: just ended up in Bosnia. I don't know. That's interesting
Speaker 1: because you have to wonder what kind of a crazy
Speaker 1: game that that is. The play where they're like, well,
Speaker 1: the satellites coming down, Agent Brown, you have to be
Speaker 1: a Kazakhstan in twelve hours. Yeah, And how the heck
Speaker 1: can you get this giant spear onto a like a
Speaker 1: flatbed truck or something. Oh wow, very carefully, my friend
Speaker 1: very carefully and sadly, I don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: you could make it to kazakh Stan in twelve hours
Speaker 1: from So we're just luck here, all right. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go out to UH to one of
Speaker 1: our other operatives, which is weird because I just hate Darren.
Speaker 1: He's such a He's been slipping. He's Darren has been slipping.
Speaker 1: And if you are listening, Darren, you're fired. Oh sorry, Darren. Wow,
Speaker 1: we just made up Darren and fired him in the
Speaker 1: space of a few minutes. Okay, So we know that
Speaker 1: these programs exist, and these are just a few, just
Speaker 1: to show that multiple kinds of programs have have existed.
Speaker 1: One of the first aims of this was to achieve
Speaker 1: supremacy in the space race, and the first from from
Speaker 1: the first satellite launched by Humankind spot Nick, the U
Speaker 1: S s R and the U S we're trying to
Speaker 1: outdo each other and to get superior surveillance. Corona probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened as soon as it did had a
Speaker 1: YouTube spy plane up and shot down earlier. And so
Speaker 1: they said, well, we'll just go high on space where
Speaker 1: they can't reach us, and then immediately people began working
Speaker 1: on how to kill how to kill a satellite. So
Speaker 1: the question is, can we from this historical precedent, can
Speaker 1: we say that secret space programs continue today or was
Speaker 1: this just some old war thing. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out right after a quick break. Here's
Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. There are active secret space programs. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some of us know a little bit about them because
Speaker 1: they're little bits and pieces of details that get leaks
Speaker 1: or that are allowed to be discussed from a pr perspective.
Speaker 1: But the ins and outs of these programs, the actual
Speaker 1: processes that are occurring, or what kind of research is
Speaker 1: being done with these, we won't know probably for fifty years,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe a hundred years, maybe never until they're declassified.
Speaker 1: And we have several examples of these. Yeah. One of
Speaker 1: the biggest examples would be something that is a personal
Speaker 1: off the air obsession for so was in this room,
Speaker 1: and that is the infamous X thirties seven B, which
Speaker 1: is an unmanned spacecraft that has been in orbit as
Speaker 1: you checked this show out, or as we record this,
Speaker 1: at least, it's been in orbit for almost a year
Speaker 1: now on this stent. And what's it doing up there
Speaker 1: because I don't know. Yeah, it was. It was launched
Speaker 1: on the twentie of May of last year, and that
Speaker 1: was its fourth flight. Yeah, the fourth time it's been
Speaker 1: up there. It's still just going around doing who knows what,
Speaker 1: just just hanging out. Probably, I bet you know. It's
Speaker 1: probably just a leisure cruise for the AI system. They're
Speaker 1: trying to get it used to what it will be
Speaker 1: like to be isolated in space, right, That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. I spoke with Jonathan about
Speaker 1: this yesterday because he was doing a live Facebook feed
Speaker 1: and he was talking about NASA a bit, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned the X thirties seven B and May and if
Speaker 1: he didn't just throw water so hard on on my
Speaker 1: thoughts that hey, maybe there's something, you know, weird being
Speaker 1: tested up there are some kind of surveillance program that's
Speaker 1: being used with this thing, or maybe uh maybe checking
Speaker 1: the ability to somehow interfere with other satellites. And I
Speaker 1: feel like that's a big thing to me. If people
Speaker 1: are putting money into these programs, there needs to be
Speaker 1: some sort of strategic advantage for doing it, and you know,
Speaker 1: how better to have the upper hand, whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: as a country, as a company, let's say, than to
Speaker 1: be able to mess with other people's satellites, to be
Speaker 1: able to disrupt or have some sort of supremacy, because
Speaker 1: like we said earlier, I mean, we don't police outer
Speaker 1: space in the same way that we police the skies,
Speaker 1: you know, of the world. Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's sort of fair game. And we we can't
Speaker 1: have any space wars. We have free these we're not
Speaker 1: allowed to uh have any kind of combat in space,
Speaker 1: at least from from a legal perspective. No country is
Speaker 1: allowed to engage in battle up there. Right. Oh, and
Speaker 1: I want to I want to give a brief thank
Speaker 1: you to someone. I cannot remember who said this, but
Speaker 1: I had. I was talking about either the Dead Hands
Speaker 1: system or something else in a live show and I
Speaker 1: misspoke because I described the Strategic Defense Initiative a k A.
Speaker 1: Star Wars program baron Reagan's administration, and I wasn't clear enough.
Speaker 1: So I want to be clear now, as far as
Speaker 1: we know, it was not actually built. It was only proposed,
Speaker 1: So I do want to be emphatic about that. As
Speaker 1: far as we know, it was never built. That's correct.
Speaker 1: Oh and one last thing we have to remember. The
Speaker 1: X thirty seven b is created by Boeing. Yes, and
Speaker 1: this is another thing to keep in mind when we're
Speaker 1: discussing private companies and governments and programs like NASA and
Speaker 1: the intersection between companies like this where Northrop Grumman or
Speaker 1: Boeing or you know, any of these other corporations they
Speaker 1: get huge contracts from the government to build stuff like
Speaker 1: the X thirty seven b um. So you know, when
Speaker 1: you think about a government institution versus corporation, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not always that binary, right, Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's a very good point. It is often a false psychotomy.
Speaker 1: So what we're talking about now is the militarization of space,
Speaker 1: and you can see them. You can see the bread
Speaker 1: crumbons begin to disappear in the post Cold World War era.
Speaker 1: So one example of this would be that you're absolutely
Speaker 1: correct now when you say that there are international treaties restricting,
Speaker 1: you know, restricting China, India, Japan, the US, and Russia
Speaker 1: from starting nuclear war in space. Hopefully that's the plan.
Speaker 1: But as far as listening in space or what's called
Speaker 1: a space sensing system, that is still uh, you know,
Speaker 1: that is still occurring, and one example of it would
Speaker 1: be the use of Well they've evolved, right, They've evolved
Speaker 1: since Corona Spy satellites now have stuff like high resolution photography,
Speaker 1: which is called image intelligence where immant. These are all
Speaker 1: weird acronyms. Communications eavesdropping or sig iNTS signals intelligence and
Speaker 1: covert communications hum int. What is a one for? What are? What? Gift?
Speaker 1: Are Noel Brown and bembol and texting each other today?
Speaker 1: Shrimp and white wine? That was a great one. Good
Speaker 1: Yeah did you actually were you actually eating shrimp? I
Speaker 1: was drinking? Okay, Well it checks out. So if we
Speaker 1: think about it though, this kind of listening in this
Speaker 1: sort of low earth orbit eavesdropping for lack of a
Speaker 1: better word, is necessary from a state perspective, like you
Speaker 1: want to know who's doing what, especially if you've got
Speaker 1: active enemies, people who are looking to ensure your demise.
Speaker 1: It's probably a good idea and also provides early warning
Speaker 1: and missile launches, detection of nuclear detonation. That's that's probably
Speaker 1: how uh the Great Powers new when India and Podkistan
Speaker 1: conducted nuclear tests. That also gives us to you know,
Speaker 1: that's probably why they learned about the Vella incidents quickly,
Speaker 1: did we do we did an audio podcast on Villa incident.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we did an audio podcast. The
Speaker 1: incident is an alleged nuclear test by alleged I just
Speaker 1: mean we don't officially know who did it. Do you
Speaker 1: think though, that having these giant corporations like Amazon and SpaceX.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know SpaceX is an exactly a
Speaker 1: giant corporation, but Musk definitely represents, you know, an economic
Speaker 1: force in and of himself. Do you think there's a
Speaker 1: conflict of interest having these private individuals who are out,
Speaker 1: you know, to make a profit enter into this sphere?
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely? Yeah. I mean, for for me, it's
Speaker 1: always a conflict of interest when there's something good as
Speaker 1: the goal, but then profit is the overall motive. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, also it's it's necessary if we look at
Speaker 1: the history of human exploration and expansion after the European way,
Speaker 1: like many of the great Old civilizations right from African
Speaker 1: African continent ancient civilizations to you know, the Middle Kingdom
Speaker 1: or China, they were expanding typically through some sort of
Speaker 1: quests for resources, you know, uh so, and and that
Speaker 1: applies you know, to those European countries as well. I
Speaker 1: My fear is that the that we will be alive
Speaker 1: when the first manned off world colony comes into existence,
Speaker 1: and that it will be run by something much more
Speaker 1: like the dutchy c India Company than a altruistic saved
Speaker 1: the world or saved the species kind of thing. Mars
Speaker 1: banana plantations. Maybe here's something creepy too. Another thing that
Speaker 1: these satellites are used for, of course, is GPS, which listeners.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, you probably used somewhat recently. GPS is
Speaker 1: the stuff man I I I think if any technology
Speaker 1: that exists today that didn't when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: that is by far my favorite. It's a game changer
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean in a lot of different scenarios.
Speaker 1: Even if you're if you're like me and can't find
Speaker 1: your way out of a paper bag, that's changed my life.
Speaker 1: The cost of maintaining that system, it's okay. So the system,
Speaker 1: the GPS system, and you know they're they're different ones,
Speaker 1: right like India has the Indian Regional Navigational Satellite System.
Speaker 1: The Global Positioning System UH that was originally designed was
Speaker 1: designed by and is still controlled by UH. Someone who
Speaker 1: will let anyone use it free of charge? Do you
Speaker 1: know who designed and controls it? No? I think you
Speaker 1: do know it's the US Department of Defense, so U
Speaker 1: you know the same kind of like the Google strategy
Speaker 1: ask ask me anything free all you know? Of course
Speaker 1: that's that services free. They're not going to give you
Speaker 1: a GPS phone or Internet connection. Um. So that I
Speaker 1: can imagine that being a thing though in the future,
Speaker 1: and so it you know, it leads people to wonder
Speaker 1: what what happens with this data? You know? Uh? And
Speaker 1: then there's there's the other idea that we just talked
Speaker 1: about net network centric warfare. So using these communication abilities
Speaker 1: to essentially have clarabulance, you know, to to be the
Speaker 1: three of us were in a battle on one side
Speaker 1: or the other, then the people that had sent us
Speaker 1: there would want us to be able to know like, oh,
Speaker 1: across the field the that Frederick Conian is prepping a
Speaker 1: and H electromagnetic disruptor or something, you know, and he
Speaker 1: would would. It's so fredrick Onian and right, and we
Speaker 1: know that. Um. We we know that the things like
Speaker 1: the X thirty seven, the unmanned aerial vehicles are reality.
Speaker 1: Doubtlessly there are other countries attempting to do the same thing,
Speaker 1: if not doing it currently. And what one more example
Speaker 1: of an active secret space program, which is happening now
Speaker 1: as we speak. So in early two thousand's, both the
Speaker 1: US and China sent some pretty tense, barely veiled, uh,
Speaker 1: barely veiled threats to each other. Uh what what? What
Speaker 1: did they do? So in the early both the US
Speaker 1: and China sent some pretty tense signals, let's say, to
Speaker 1: each other, when they both publicly unveiled their satellite killing technology. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that, the idea of satellite killers, but this
Speaker 1: was actually presented as an efficient way to dispose of
Speaker 1: their own aging satellites on both sides, and they actually
Speaker 1: made pretty clear threats against each other. Well yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a perfect veiled threat. Right. Oh our satellite
Speaker 1: is not functioning. Oh look we killed it, and it
Speaker 1: just you know, it's that whole under the table things
Speaker 1: just shows you well, you know, it could have been
Speaker 1: your satellite, yeah wink. And you know in two thousand eight,
Speaker 1: there's another one called Operation Burnt Frost or burn Frost,
Speaker 1: I think it's Burnt Frost. This was one where the U.
Speaker 1: S military destroyed and nonfunctioning U n r O National
Speaker 1: Reconstance Office satellite. UM again, same kind of deal, just
Speaker 1: like here, we're gonna send this missile up and we
Speaker 1: can target a satellite in freaking space. This is clearly
Speaker 1: an example of UM paying lip service to one thing
Speaker 1: and just saying this is a test of capabilities. But
Speaker 1: everybody knew what the rioting on the wall was. Here
Speaker 1: are my muscles, my ability to shoot downside? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like someone saying just casually saying, look at this knife. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: look how far I can throw it? And uh, this
Speaker 1: is These are just some examples of things that are
Speaker 1: proven but remain to some degree classified. So where to now, Well,
Speaker 1: now we get into the deep dark areas, the places
Speaker 1: where light barely penetrates. We're in the fringe. You guys,
Speaker 1: you're ready for this one. I'm just gonna say one name,
Speaker 1: Gary McKinnon. Oh you know what we're talking about. We're
Speaker 1: talking about hacking NASA. Back in two thousand one, I
Speaker 1: think two thousand two was one. He was actively hacking NASA,
Speaker 1: going through their databases and uh, this gentleman found well,
Speaker 1: he declares that he found some pretty crazy stuff. I
Speaker 1: think early on in an interview that he gave to
Speaker 1: Wired News just a couple of years after and that
Speaker 1: he had done this. I believe it was two thousand six.
Speaker 1: He says, this is a quote. I knew that government
Speaker 1: suppressed anti gravity UFO related technologies, free energy or what
Speaker 1: they call zero point energy. This should not be hidden
Speaker 1: from the public when pensioners can't pay their bills, you know. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this statement alone right here, So you've got a
Speaker 1: person who was personally motivated to go and find these
Speaker 1: things that he believes exists inside NASA servers somewhere. Um,
Speaker 1: he goes in and he thinks that he's found some
Speaker 1: of this stuff. He I think, let's see. He claimed
Speaker 1: to find a manifest that described what we're called non
Speaker 1: terrestrial officers. Yes, and he claimed that he did see
Speaker 1: an image particular of of a craft with technology that
Speaker 1: does not exists, but he wasn't able to get that
Speaker 1: image to then show it to other people, which you know,
Speaker 1: it stinks because you want to believe at any point,
Speaker 1: you want to believe a person at least this is
Speaker 1: this is Matt speaking for himself. I want to believe
Speaker 1: what someone says at all times. But it's very tough
Speaker 1: to take something like that that's so out there, a
Speaker 1: claim that just kind of makes you roll your eyes
Speaker 1: a little bit, even if you want to believe it.
Speaker 1: What do you think, No, it does come off as
Speaker 1: a bit of a stretch. I agree. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's the nature of me. You know, it's like a
Speaker 1: it's like a sticky kind of a slippery slope writing
Speaker 1: that line between skepticism and belief, and you kind of
Speaker 1: have to just find a happy middle ground. And I
Speaker 1: think you do a fine job of that yourself, madam. Well,
Speaker 1: you know one other thing then you have to remember
Speaker 1: this guy is on a fifty six K modem back
Speaker 1: into early two thousand's as he's going through these servers
Speaker 1: and I'm imagining downloading the image because you guys remember
Speaker 1: back then, as the image comes down, it's going one
Speaker 1: or two lines at a time, and just I imagine
Speaker 1: being Gary McKinnon and just seeing this image develop one
Speaker 1: line at a time. Right, what is this? Yeah? What?
Speaker 1: He It's weird because it gets into some technical stuff
Speaker 1: there because he says that he got into Johnson Space
Speaker 1: Centers Building eight, that he remotely access us the terminal
Speaker 1: there and they found a folder that had these photographs
Speaker 1: that were two hundreds or three hundred megabyte images and
Speaker 1: the pictures were of cigar shaped craft in orbit. But
Speaker 1: as you say, it was on a dial up. So
Speaker 1: he's he here's his quote. I turned the color down
Speaker 1: to four bit and the screen resolution really really low,
Speaker 1: and even then it was still juttering as it came
Speaker 1: onto the screen. But it was whatever came on was
Speaker 1: amazing and culmination of all my efforts. It was a
Speaker 1: picture of something that definitely wasn't man made. But again,
Speaker 1: he's looking at it at four bits of color with
Speaker 1: super low screen resolution just in order to see it right,
Speaker 1: And at that point the image is so degraded, then
Speaker 1: how can you ever tell what it actually is? Well,
Speaker 1: he says he was able to take a screenshot. Where's that?
Speaker 1: You can't find it looking for it right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the screenshot, trying a screenshot of a
Speaker 1: terrible picture. I'll take that a look at His computer
Speaker 1: was seized by police during his first rest and no
Speaker 1: two uh So, people say, is the claim to have
Speaker 1: seen evidence of the UFO cover up credible? For bit?
Speaker 1: It's tough, um, And you know, at that point would
Speaker 1: that be a what how would you know that was
Speaker 1: not an artist rendition? How would you know that was
Speaker 1: the bona fide article? Yeah, or just some ideas that
Speaker 1: are being thrown around, like imagine some of the meetings
Speaker 1: for development for shows and stuff like that that we
Speaker 1: have here. But that's all internal. You know, it might
Speaker 1: be on one of our hard drives or even on
Speaker 1: a server or something. If we're like on our team,
Speaker 1: the video team will make a sketch up, a mock
Speaker 1: up of what a show might look like or something
Speaker 1: like that. And I can imagine someone at NASSA or
Speaker 1: Goddard mocking up, well, hey, this is what a possible
Speaker 1: spacecraft could look like if we implemented these technologies. I
Speaker 1: can see it. Well. The part of the issue here
Speaker 1: is that he's still fighting extradition. He is in the UK,
Speaker 1: right and he is fighting off Uncle Sam who wants
Speaker 1: to extradidem to the US, and they're going to a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble to get him. They're going to like
Speaker 1: a Sande level, well not a Sange level. As soon
Speaker 1: as a Sande is out of the embassy, he's just
Speaker 1: black bagged, I'm sure. But but what you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's such an interesting case because he went in
Speaker 1: there not for some political or ideological and so much
Speaker 1: as he went in there because he believes that free
Speaker 1: energy is real, that the US government has discovered it
Speaker 1: or has somehow created vehicles that can use it, and
Speaker 1: he wanted to prove it to the world. Obviously. Uh,
Speaker 1: he had a great combination of skill and luck when
Speaker 1: it comes to UM online espionage. I think it was
Speaker 1: all because he read a book that had come out
Speaker 1: around then about basic hacker codes, like not not codes,
Speaker 1: but codes of conduct, that kind of thing, like how
Speaker 1: to how to view the UM philosophy of being a hacker,
Speaker 1: and he was inspired by it. And you'll see so
Speaker 1: many people online or on the lecture circuit who insists
Speaker 1: that they have proof of secret space programs involving alien
Speaker 1: technology or extraterrestrials themselves, and how cool. Just show me
Speaker 1: the money guys and the spacecraft show. Yeah right, show
Speaker 1: me the saucer the The interesting thing about this, though,
Speaker 1: is that, in a way we've talked about this in
Speaker 1: the past. In a way, many abduction stories, or many
Speaker 1: working with alien stories have tropes that are similar to
Speaker 1: stories from earlier ages, involving things like fairies or change
Speaker 1: lands or elves. And you know, from a folklore perspective,
Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves, are these stories just echoes
Speaker 1: of earlier stories that have changed their clothes for our
Speaker 1: modern age? Or or yeah, is it real? And as
Speaker 1: it continued happening somehow without universally acknowledged proof. Here's a
Speaker 1: catchy thing about launching as a space shuttle launching spacecraft
Speaker 1: satellite uh an I CBM like an intercontinent continental ballistic
Speaker 1: missile which goes in suborbital flight. Um people will know.
Speaker 1: The average person will only really know if they're close
Speaker 1: enough to see it. The people who will know are
Speaker 1: the people who control the sensory equipment. And there are
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of those people. So if they
Speaker 1: all agree to keep something a secret, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's plausible, but I am saying that something can launch
Speaker 1: with fewer people knowing than you might expect. And what
Speaker 1: if there is technology that doesn't require a launch like
Speaker 1: that with burning of fuel that could be detected in
Speaker 1: that way? What if the zero point energy thing is real, Ben,
Speaker 1: and it's in a hangar somewhere out in Groom Lake,
Speaker 1: then then we would if that's the case, then we
Speaker 1: would go to the economic argument of artificial scarcity, right
Speaker 1: like to maintain a status quo of social inequality and injustice. Uh.
Speaker 1: The powers that be, whatever those powers would be described as,
Speaker 1: are conspiring to prevent UH technological advancement past a certain threshold.
Speaker 1: Which is interesting because I remember hearing years and years
Speaker 1: and years ago someone say that um Mayen and Aztec
Speaker 1: civiliz ation was amazingly advanced, yet no one had invented
Speaker 1: the wheel, which seemed to me like utter bunk, you know.
Speaker 1: And I remember as a kid, I formed this entire
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory in my head, and I thought, Yeah, every
Speaker 1: time somebody built a wheel, they were sacrificed and killed
Speaker 1: or they ended up abandoned in the jungle or something
Speaker 1: because it was a profane idol of some sort. It
Speaker 1: was like the man was keeping him down. Uh. I
Speaker 1: have absolutely no proof whatsoever that or even if that
Speaker 1: story is real, because it still seems highly implausible to me.
Speaker 1: This is something that I just remember thinking of as
Speaker 1: a kid. Well, let's talk about how this zero point
Speaker 1: energy idea came about, because it for me, at least
Speaker 1: from my understanding, it traces it. It's traces its origins
Speaker 1: back to and the Roswell incident when we thought there
Speaker 1: was a there perhaps was probably not though a an
Speaker 1: alien spacecraft of some sort or UFO that crash landed
Speaker 1: that used this type of technology that was then you know,
Speaker 1: broken apart and re engineered by by let's say, the
Speaker 1: US military. Yeah, that's the idea. Um. I hate to
Speaker 1: be the party pooper in the bunch, and I'm usually
Speaker 1: not this person, but it seems like a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff we found looking into it indicates that it
Speaker 1: was part of Project Mogul. Right, the weather balloons meant
Speaker 1: to sense nuclear detonation on everything that we looked at.
Speaker 1: You're right, that's what That's what I would lean towards
Speaker 1: as the reason that the Roswald crash happened. But you're
Speaker 1: talking about the actual the idea of free energy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the origins of this thought process
Speaker 1: of connecting the stuff together, you know, because aliens I
Speaker 1: have fascinated humans for decades centuries. Yeah, absolutely, And as
Speaker 1: our technology has progressed, the way it's changed, as we
Speaker 1: get into microchips, as we get into what was it transistors,
Speaker 1: I forget what the huge leap was in the like
Speaker 1: around that time forty seven, because there there's some pretty
Speaker 1: interesting technological leaps that occurred right around that time. But
Speaker 1: you know, is that coincidence? Is that just because our
Speaker 1: technology is at that point? Um, you know, who who's
Speaker 1: to say not me? I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And there's so many other there's so many other secret
Speaker 1: space programs that we could say are alleged to exist,
Speaker 1: like the Black Night satellite, which we looked at in
Speaker 1: the past. Uh. The idea for for extraterrestrials, the idea
Speaker 1: usually takes one of one of three tax like aliens
Speaker 1: exist and are in communication with some elite human lead organization,
Speaker 1: or aliens crashed recently and some elite human organization took
Speaker 1: their stuff, or aliens crashed in the distant past and
Speaker 1: the ruins were found and somehow humanity was able to
Speaker 1: put those back together. I think those all make for
Speaker 1: fascinating stories. And I would lose my mind if there
Speaker 1: was proof of it. It would it would be astonished.
Speaker 1: I would be running in the streets around Ponts. I
Speaker 1: would the street that is Ponts. You better look both ways,
Speaker 1: I like, I wouldn't care though I'd be like Haliah
Speaker 1: and then you won't be around to see you when
Speaker 1: they come down. And you know, yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'd hit the greens on the corner, make their presentation.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, their power point power point. What if of
Speaker 1: all the technology that humanity has managed, the mcgever together
Speaker 1: on our time here, power point is the most impressive
Speaker 1: to aliens, not prezy wow, bring up some excelf spreadsheets,
Speaker 1: not anything else about computers, not just power point and
Speaker 1: clip art, clip art. They love clip art. So what
Speaker 1: do we take away from all this, gents? Well, what
Speaker 1: do you think? No, I think and again this is
Speaker 1: my opinion. I think it is foolish to assume that
Speaker 1: there are not programs, secret space programs taking place. And
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I keep harping on this privatization
Speaker 1: of space travel and what that could mean, But wouldn't
Speaker 1: it be possible that these companies have a forward facing
Speaker 1: kind of public wing and then maybe they've got some
Speaker 1: kind of skunk work, see stuff going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: You think about the money that goes into some of
Speaker 1: these corporations that are working directly with the government, and
Speaker 1: all the while everyone's like rockets. Look at that that
Speaker 1: is so cool, you know, and it's just it's is
Speaker 1: a big wow factor. But you know, there could be
Speaker 1: other things going on. I don't know, but we did
Speaker 1: even mentioned black budgets. Yeah, the government has so much
Speaker 1: secret money. For all the people who are saying, I
Speaker 1: don't know where all where's all that tax money going? Uh,
Speaker 1: A lot of it is a lot of it is
Speaker 1: secreted away because there have to there have to be
Speaker 1: layers of plausible deniability so that your local representative or
Speaker 1: your senator doesn't know about it, and and many times
Speaker 1: they genuinely do not. And all that stuff would likely
Speaker 1: be militaristic nature, much much of it would be yet
Speaker 1: dirty stuff. And then sometimes you know, in the past,
Speaker 1: at least in the US where we're recording this podcast,
Speaker 1: in the past, government agencies have gone rogue against like
Speaker 1: against the law and against the wishes of the rest
Speaker 1: of the governments and waged illegal wars or assisted in
Speaker 1: drug trafficking to raise money for specific operations. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying an entire agency went rogue, I'm just saying factions.
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, I think, uh, it could likely
Speaker 1: be military nature. What disturbs me the most is the
Speaker 1: idea that's somewhere above us, there might be UH satellite
Speaker 1: with nuclear deployment capability. It's possible. You're saying a nuclear
Speaker 1: weapon that could be just in violation of all the treaties, yeah,
Speaker 1: or in violation of the more as I should say,
Speaker 1: of international law. Um, I think it's I think it
Speaker 1: is possible. I don't know if it's plausible. I have
Speaker 1: absolutely no proof for it. Space death ray episode maybe
Speaker 1: a space death ray episode. None, A bad idea? Why yeah,
Speaker 1: why would you not have a giant active laser up
Speaker 1: there just ready to go. Feel As long as it's
Speaker 1: your giant active laser, we're cool. Right, that's the takeaway
Speaker 1: from today us. Before we head out today, we have
Speaker 1: time for one more thing. Yes, that's right, shout Out
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Speaker 1: kind words. Uh and we heard you want us to
Speaker 1: look into Virgin Mary appearances and other supposed miracles. You
Speaker 1: also suggested we dive deeper into alternative medicines, both the
Speaker 1: myths and the truths. I like both of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we haven't done much on miracles. No, not at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have. We we discussed, we've discussed
Speaker 1: some prophecies discussed. We discussed some prophecies involving the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1: And the last shoutout goes to someone that we've shouted
Speaker 1: at before. Uh, so you're welcome and sorry. Vaults of
Speaker 1: X Tough. This fellow is he makes metal music. He's
Speaker 1: a rapper, he's also a dad. He took some pictures
Speaker 1: for new music projects that he's got coming up, and
Speaker 1: he was wearing one of our knowledge is contagious shirts
Speaker 1: that we created and you can find on our website.
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone bought any of those, So thanks Faults.
Speaker 1: And it's really cool to see you. Because he's dude.
Speaker 1: You should see this picture. He's got an awesome looks
Speaker 1: like a leather jacket on. He's got such metal hair
Speaker 1: and facial hair and they just got our shirt. Man,
Speaker 1: thanks for wearing that. Yeah, hey, thanks, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for giving you try. We we appreciate it. Uh. And
Speaker 1: that concludes today's shout out corner. And he did the
Speaker 1: reverse too. Yeah wow. Uh all right, so we are
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