WEBVTT - CLASSIC: Are there secret space programs? 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:05.440 We are on the precipice as a global civilization. We're 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:11.640 on the precipice of private industry leading the charge into space. 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.440 And uh, I think I don't know. I was always 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.800 a space ner growing up. What about you, guys? Were 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:19.680 you interested in this stuff? Do you ever want to 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.279 be an astronaut or an engineer? I did briefly, I 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:25.040 mean as is a little later in life, but I 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.560 worked at a science center called Fork Discovery. We had 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.479 one of those cool gyroscope things, just probably one of 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.120 the cooler things you actually get to mess within space camp. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:38.800 Turns out there's no zero gravity room, unfortunately, but they 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.440 surely look cool on all those Nickelodeon game show, you know, 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.720 prize commercials. Oh yeah, and I spent quite a bit 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.559 of time in Huntsville, Alabama, hanging out doing doing our thing. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.120 We've talked about the Young Astronauts program on here before. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.880 I think we even shared an image of me as 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:55.840 a young boy with a bowl cut in my Young 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.440 Astronauts te shirt. I think we all did. Did we 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.920 all have bull cut periods? Uh buple of a certain age? 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.280 I think it's entirely possible. I had a flat top 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.199 for a time all I know is that the good 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:12.800 people in Huntsville never told me about any secret space programs, 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.760 and I'm kinda ticked off about it. Yeah, no kidding, 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.080 that's uh, that's something that a lot of people would 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.320 understandably be ticked off about. In this classic episode, were 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:29.440 are asking ourselves about the existence of space programs that 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:34.600 operate in secrecy. Spoiler alert, they're very much real. Still 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.480 listen to the episode, though, because the way we get 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.600 there is is fascinating worth the time, and this is 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:44.360 from so they're even more secret or now, Oh the 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.120 interesting times. I did not go to space Camp, but 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:48.960 whether or not Matt and Ben got to high enough 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.000 levels of space Camp clearance to be briefed on these 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.720 we do now know about quite a few of them, 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.400 and we're gonna talk about them in this episode from 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:02.120 UFOs two Psychic Powers. Since government conspiracies, history is riddled 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:06.320 with unexplained events, you can turn back now or learn 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:17.840 the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, welcome 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:19.760 back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:24.200 is Noel. And although I insisted on keeping our show 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.800 from getting into air at the time, it should because 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:31.040 I had to play some dumb YouTube songs. I'm still Ben, 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:36.440 hopefully you're still you and uh. Today we are looking 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.480 at something that touches on a lot of basis for 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.840 things that we have covered in the past. So I 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.960 figured maybe one of the best ways to start is 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.080 I wanted to ask you, guys. I don't know if 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.760 we've ever talked about this on air, did you ever 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.440 want to be an asked or not? When you grew up. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.920 I watched a lot of Nickelodeon when I was a kid, 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.840 and as you may or may not remember, a lot 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.800 of those shows, Respawns stared by Space Camp, and um, 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.680 you know that was the big grand prize. If you 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.880 went on double there you got to go to Space Camp. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.000 And I think we all remember seeing the commercial where 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.080 these kids were just floating, you know, weightlifts, and we're like, 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.360 I want to go to there. That seems totally awesome. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.400 Spoiler alert. My roommate went to space Camp. No such room, 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.040 no such anti gravity room. You know who else went 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.120 to space Camp? Here's that? This guy? Yeah? Yeah, I 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.400 was a young astronaut. I was fascinated by I went 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.440 to a couple of camps and I think Huntsville Alabama's 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.640 where they have a lot of that stuff, and it 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.760 was it was great. I mean that was my dream man, 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:38.880 I was I was either going to be a marine 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.880 biologist or an astronaut. What did you think being an 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.560 astronaut really meant? Did you? Did you have the concept 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.520 of space scientists or were you thinking you were going 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.240 to be like, you know, battling extra No, I was 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.000 hoping scientists. That's that was the track I wanted to 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.360 be on. I didn't need to talk down to your 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:01.800 younger self. There he understands. Yeah, I also know you 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.000 know this. I also went to space camp in a 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.000 mass everybody went to space camp except me. So I 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:13.920 think we should take you to space camp right af 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:18.159 there we go to David Busters. Look, I'm not joking 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.840 about either of those. And I see your smirks from 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.960 across the table, ladies and gentlemen of the Internet, our 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.640 but the steamed co host by close friends outside of work, 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.560 I think I'm joking about David Busters and the Space program. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.760 I'm not joking about either of those. Visiting space related 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:42.320 stuff is so cool and No, you are a meticulous 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.919 person when it comes to your work ethic and a 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.040 lot of people might not know this because you're you're 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:52.240 very relaxed and personable and and chill when you know, 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.039 when we're hanging out, we're talking from times you do 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.640 get we do know what buttons you have? You guys, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.000 there's an adult space camp in Huntsville, Alabama, and it 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.640 is available and we can go adult is in for 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.720 grown ups or adult is in like Showtime after Dark? 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:13.479 Maybe both hopefully it is uh for a four day 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.000 space camp, it's six dollars. That seems like a lot 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.640 of money. Did they cover the food? I hope so 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.880 all that freeze dried ice cream. Man cannot live on 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:28.120 freeze dried ice cream alone. But if you're like us, 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.120 then you probably at some point when you were a kid, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.000 thought of being an astronaut. How cool is it to 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.440 go where no one has gone before? And even even 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.719 in adulthood, many of us retain this fascination without space 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.680 right uh. And we've seen the resurgence of this with 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.680 the whole mission to mars Idea, all the all of 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.360 the volunteers who are coming out from everywhere just saying yeah, 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.240 I'll do it. And Ellen Musk, the founder of PayPal 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:02.920 and and Tesla Motors, just declared recently reiterated again more definitively, 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.640 that he aims to take some people to Mars, and 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.600 who knows, maybe one of us, maybe one one of us, 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.080 whether listening or podcasting today, could be on that ship. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.200 What we know is that humanity has always been fascinated 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.760 by space, and it's um, it's up there with the 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:25.479 ocean as the least explored environment that we have encountered. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.440 We went House of Works, went to NASA's Goddard Space Center, 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.240 uh several months back to check out the successor to 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:39.000 the Hubble telescope, that James Webb telescope, and when we 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:40.760 were there, we have videos that will go ahead and 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.760 plug that you can find on the How Stuff Works 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:48.440 YouTube channel, which is, you know, kind of the full disclosure. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.600 I'm in a couple of them, the bad interviews. I'm 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.960 the one doing the bad interviews. But then our our 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:01.000 our friend uh and maybe future guests host right, No, 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:05.279 Holly Fry Yeah, is on there from stuff you missed 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.840 in history class, so you can learn more about the 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:13.880 science of exploring space, at least the publicly acknowledged stuff. 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.320 Today's question is a little bit different. But before we 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.720 go into that, let's let's talk about some of the 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:28.280 things we know about publicly acknowledged space exploration today. Like, 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:33.640 first off, it's expensive, Yeah, it's crazy expensive in the 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:38.080 cost of development and five years of operation was estimated 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:42.560 to be eight point eight three five billion dollars with 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.440 a B for the James Webb for this telescope that 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.120 you're the one, Yeah, the one that you got to 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.840 go look at, and when you were in there, it's 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.920 this massive facility with people just working around the clock. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.320 Just I mean, because not only did the build a thing, 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.520 you have to test it so vigorously for years because 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.960 once it's up there, it's up there. Yeah, what are 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.840 you gonna do? Right? And then there's you know, there's 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.520 a huge history of of of space exploration, right, the 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.440 space race may have heard that term before, right, Cold 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:18.080 War USSR versus the United States began in nineteen fifty five, 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.600 but it continues today and there are more people in 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.400 the game. Yes, So, as of they're an estimated seventy 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.920 different state sponsored space agencies. Thirteen of those have a 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:34.360 known ability to launch vessels out into space. Okay, that 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.360 makes sense. So what we're saying there is that of 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:43.480 those seventy. The majority of the agencies don't themselves have 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.440 the ability to launch their own thing. They partner with 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.600 other agencies like NASA. That is the idea. So of 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.760 those thirteen, though, only six have what's known as full 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.600 launch capability. That means they can actually get back some 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.160 of the things they shoot out to space. It is 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.360 like recovering satellites for example. I mean, it's not a 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.320 one and done scenario where you put it out there 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.520 and we're never going to see that guy again. Um. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:13.160 They can actually deploy cryogenic rocket engines. Um. And they 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.520 can also operate probes remotely. Yeah. So once it's once 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.000 it's out there in space, you've got to handle on 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.520 how to make it work. Or you can drop a 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:30.440 vehicle remotely right to voyage around Mars. Uh. Yes, that 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.000 that's strange that when you think of the rate of attrition, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:38.200 there seventy different agencies. Thirteen can put something up and 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.920 six can do something effective with it. Yeah, so six 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.200 out of all the countries on Earth. And we know 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.880 of course that state sponsored agencies are not the only 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.440 ones in the game that you alluded to this earlier, right, Oh, yes, 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.760 billionaires and well not just billionaires. A lot of billionaires though, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.680 and their private corporations are getting into this, this whole 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:04.800 space scheme we saw. Let's see space X that's again 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.920 founded by Elon Musk, like you you mentioned, they just 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.520 launched another satellite, the second in just a couple of 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.400 weeks here. I think it was a Thaie communication satellite. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.920 Previously there was a Japanese satellite that went up um 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.360 And the crazy thing about SpaceX is that they can, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.560 like you're saying, reusing the materials, they bring their entire 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.880 rocket back down and landed. Someone looks made up. It's 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.440 like this vertical rocket coming down onto a little like 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.319 a drone boat run platform out in the middle of 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.920 the ocean. It's bizarre. It looks like someone played the 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.800 clip in reverse I launch. It's a very strange. And 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.000 I mean, all of this is so fascinating because we're 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.080 entering a time now where I mean this in the 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:47.680 past has been in the realm exclusively of big government 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.160 agencies that have all of this budget for this stuff. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.920 And as we know, you know, focus on space exploration 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.720 has kind of waxed and waned over the years a bit, 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:02.440 and now it's kind of getting squarely in the realm 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.720 of these billionaires who are able to raise their own money, 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.679 use their own capital to do their own research, and 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.520 it seems like some of them are doing a pretty 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.480 good job. Well, yeah, the day we're recording this, Jeff 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.920 Bezos is Blue Origin. Another one. They just launched an 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:24.720 unmanned aircraft are excusing spacecraft. It's a prototype rocket that's 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.280 apparently supposed to be reusable, just like the other ones, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.440 and they again landed it back on Earth. So another 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.800 company with another billionaire, and Bezos is the Emperor of Amazon. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:41.080 And those aren't the only private space flight uh, space ears, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:45.040 space space tycoons. I can't call them space tycoons yet. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:49.560 How about space cotiers, space gatiers perfect like Rocketeer. Sure 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.480 you don't seem as happy with that. I like it 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.480 all right? Who else is in this game? Oh, you've 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:03.080 got Virgin Galactic, another billionaire, there, Biglow Aerospace, X Core Aerospace, 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.839 orbital Sciences. I mean, the list goes on. There's area, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.800 they're they're all kinds of other ones that are from 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.880 different countries. Sometimes a lot of these are based in 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.680 the US, um, but they're they're all over the planet, right, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.839 and just being based in the US, of course, does 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:21.800 not restrict their operations there there are optimal places around 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:26.439 the globe from which to launch something into space, so 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.959 they travel widely there on a world tour. So given 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:35.199 the lessons learned from the private entities and from the 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:41.679 history of state sponsored space agencies, we found, uh, we 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.640 found some some pretty interesting things about space travel. If 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.920 you are interested in the idea of space travel, we'd 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.760 also like you to check out how stuff works other 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:56.080 podcast particularly well, I don't know, I think almost everybody 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.920 has something about space travel. Absolutely. Our friends over it's 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.319 touf mom never told you have done some great work 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:08.040 on female astronauts, women in the airspace industry in general. Yeah, 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.800 and so so it goes across the board. Every every 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.240 podcast we have as something about space has done a 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.000 couple of things, right, yeah, yeah, as well, so we 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:24.800 did lunar rovers So what we found is that despite 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:29.000 the evolution of space travel, there's still a few things 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.480 that are true and and here they are just across 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.840 the board. I'll go first. It's terrifyingly easy for something 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:41.600 to go wrong, frighteningly easy. For example, the Challenger disaster. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.400 And that's not the that's not that's just one that's 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:48.560 in the public sphere. There are multiple classified accidents that 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.520 occurred during the Soviet space programs. You've learned about a 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:56.680 few of those cosmonauts, and we have done work before 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.199 on the lost cosmonaut theories, and I think on it 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.280 than Strictland from tech stuff has covered it. But definitely 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:07.199 people died in training, and as we mentioned earlier, podcasts 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.600 were literally erased from history. There's some fascinating stories in 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.200 within that topic, so I would encourage you to go 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.400 check that out if you're listening to this. So a 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.120 big part, like what I was alluding to earlier, that 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.680 makes this so difficult to do is that these voyages, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:27.000 this equipment, everything that goes into doing this stuff incredibly 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.960 prohibitively expensive. So the average cost of a man space 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.000 launch was estimated to be four hundred and fifty million 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.480 dollars in twenty eleven. That's for a single launch, and 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.960 that's by NASA. That's by NASA, and then the overall 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.720 cost for a shuttle's thirty year lifespan. So if you're 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.400 in it for the long haul, you're looking at a 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:51.200 one hundred and nineties six billion dollar tab, which is 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.680 adjusted for inflation for for right now? But still, how 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.840 is that a number? Yeah, that's that's amazing. But then 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:03.200 there's there's a third thing here about every kind of 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.600 space endeavor, which we were startled to find in some 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.280 of our earlier work. Yeah, how in the heck do 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.640 you keep it a secret that you are using fuel, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:19.760 very loud, very bright, uh fuel to launch things up 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.000 into and beyond the atmosphere? How do you keep that 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.479 a secret? And then how do you keep a satellite 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.680 a secret? And when it's orbiting in the sky, which 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:34.440 at this point is still uncensored. Today's question, ladies and gentlemen, 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:40.520 do world governments and corporations have secret space programs? Given 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:45.160 the cost, given how incredibly difficult it is. It's like 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.320 I'm gonna try to make a video game reference. Tell 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.040 me if I get it. It's like if there were 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:53.560 Dark Souls fourteen? Does that work? I think so? I 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.040 mean so it's a little different, but I'm gonna go 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.600 is the tough one, right, Yeah, that's the tough one. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.080 I'm so out of it. Well, yeah, because in a way, 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.640 every time, if you really want to get into the 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.480 space program, much like if you really want to get 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:14.400 into Dark souls. You basically have to take up the 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.280 controller and attempt as many times as you possibly can, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.760 and you'll get things right as you go along, little 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.440 by little by little by little. But ultimately you can't 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.040 just jump in and get the whole thing right. You 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.320 can't just win by starting the space race. I'm sorry 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.800 that I gave you this albatross of a metaphor. I'm 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.160 trying to work with it. Let's just let it go. 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.200 I apologize. I guess one thing is ultimately you end 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.840 up throwing the controller against the wall in both cases. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.560 I guess, yeah, that's familiar, the controller or the or 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:48.440 the lander. Right. What we know for sure that we 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:53.080 know for sure that secret space programs did exist, and 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:57.960 historically the origins of really space programs are shrouded in secret. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:03.000 The gan is research into rocketry and rockets. The idea 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:09.159 of a rocket is ancient, dates all the way back 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:13.160 to the first principles essential to rocket flight came from 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.639 the writings of a Roman named ALUs Gellius, who told 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.200 a story about a Greek guy named Arcatas who lived 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.159 in a city called Tarantum is now part of southern Italy, 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:29.399 somewhere around four b C. According to this story, he uh, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.080 he made a pigeon out of wood and amused people 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:37.679 by flying it using the principles of rocketry, the action 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.439 reaction principle, which wasn't a scientific law until the seventeenth century. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.520 The point is, maybe this metaphor is not or this 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.320 excuse me, comparison is not that far off, because you 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:52.040 were you are absolutely right about baby steps. So we 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:57.440 know that people began working on rockets way before they 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:02.119 thought about taking them to space. But we know that 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:07.520 given the research of rocketry and the enormous jump it 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:11.919 had during World War Two, the foundations of the US 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.000 rocketry programs, the U s s R, which was the 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:19.720 big the big other agency at the Cold War uh, 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.520 and what ultimately became a space program, what ultimately led 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.680 to atomic bombs, involved some shady stuff. In particular something 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.480 known as Operation paper Clip. Yes, that's when Nazi scientists 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:35.119 and scientists from other non Allied countries were brought to 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.800 both to the to the United States, to the United 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.320 Kingdoms and other parts of the world where they were 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.919 secreted away. You know, these are people who were working 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:49.800 on specialized projects for let's say, for bad people doing 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.800 bad things like them or Brown. Yeah, but they had 0:18:55.000 --> 0:19:00.600 an amazing amount of research and intelligence and stra tegically, 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.000 I guess it just made a lot of sense to 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.520 keep them around and just to jump on the the 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.960 rocketry programs that the world had. It was all about 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.920 launching a missile or launching, you know, a bomb. How 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.359 do I get this bomb all the way over here 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.960 where I wanted to explode and you know, not have 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.679 to take a ship over there or a plane or something. 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.320 That's that is why we have space flight. It's because 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.560 we wanted to figure out how to more effectively bomb 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.720 people from far away, which is kind of strange to 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.800 think about. And the U. S. Government as a history 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.360 of this as well. I mean, the CIA actually ran 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.520 a secret satellite surveillance network another fun thing to say 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:46.440 three times fast from fifty nine to nineteen two, where 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.200 and they spied on the USSR and the people's reblic 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.640 with China from you guessed it out of space UM. 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.200 And this is a story I love so much because 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.200 it just goes to show the scrappy nature of you know, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.240 and things done by the U. S. Government. So the 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:07.640 UM satellite didn't actually have the ability to transmit photographs 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.160 remotely you know, through uh, through the air, right the sixties, 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.960 what's what's what's the what's the fix there? Well, they 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:21.960 actually had negatives and they would drop the negatives from space. Yeah, 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:26.199 I'm picturing little parachutes and I just don't even There 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.440 are pictures you can see pictures and even diagrams on 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.879 well wikipedias where I found them of the Corona that 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.840 we're talking about, the Corona program. Uh, yeah, you can 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:39.120 see just just how old fashioned it looks and feels. 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.760 How just can't imagine how who do they send out? 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.040 What poor sucker do they send out to find these things? 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.160 And where's the film adaptation to that? I bet there's 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:51.000 maybe there's a classified script there still somewhere. Yeah, But 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.000 they spent a lot of money on that as well. 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.879 According to some former officials, the total estimated cost of 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.440 the program was eight hundred and fifty million dollars, which 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.320 doesn't sound like that much compared to you know, four 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.840 fifty for one launch, right, but you know we're talking 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:11.560 nineteen sixties dollars when it was mostly in use, right, 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:16.560 And I don't know if they factor did you know, 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:22.440 like developing the film developing got interns to do that right, right, 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:27.040 they just went to a photo mat um or something, 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.520 and they weren't the only ones doing it, and and uh, 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:35.639 Corona was not the most um widespread of these sorts 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.399 of programs. Oh yeah, the Russian side had theirs. Their 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.280 own thing is Zenet I think it. I'm not sure 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.719 exactly how to pronounce it, but they were doing photo 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.479 reconnaissance in the same way, um, but they were doing 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.000 it a lot more I think. I think their their 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.040 program was a lot more extensive. Yeah, they had over 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:56.840 five hundred Zenet satellites flown, which makes it to this 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:01.400 day the most numerous type of satellite in the history 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:07.840 of space exploration. Yeah, oh yeah, these were launched. Okay, 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.200 so here's here's a weird anecdote that does apply to this. 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:15.119 So we all know what a tank is, right, Uh? Tank? 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:20.320 In war, they're called tanks. And the old story goes 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:24.679 because when they were being shipped around in England or 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:29.479 around Europe to avoid prying eyes, they were created and 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:33.560 called water tanks, and so that became the nickname. Going 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.119 to our earlier point about how difficult it would be 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:42.040 to secretly launched something from space, Uh, these things the 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:46.560 Russians in the US accepted that the other side would 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:50.640 notice when they sent something into space, so they labeled 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.679 them as different things or put them in different programs 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.160 so that they seemed like they were accomplishing a different purpose. 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.320 And as as you said, oh yeah, these these were 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.800 probably above top secret level, some kind of compartmentalized need 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:12.520 to know basis intelligence where you know, imagine that you're 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:17.359 the president of a country and then some suit comes 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:22.360 up to you one of your advisors and says, we 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:26.320 have evidence that shows that we need to, you know, 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.199 invade this country now or send a force here. You 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:31.119 go why, and they say, we can't tell you, and 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.240 then you go, but I'm the president, and then say 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:38.359 I know, Mr President. And then eventually you're persuasive enough 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:42.600 that somebody from uh, you know, the CIA or the 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:46.520 n s A or some other alphabet agency just sort 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:51.639 of slides a blurry photograph across across the desk at you. 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:54.640 And that's how you find out how did you get 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:59.520 focused on this? So yeah, wait, wait, and the way 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:03.320 these saddle lights look the zenit programmed satellites. You can 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.600 again go on Wikipedia. You can look at a picture 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.280 of one of these. It looks like a large sphere 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:12.280 that has some optics kind of and glass pointing out 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.040 of it, and then a little I don't know if 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:19.320 in this picture that's being shown, if it's just sitting 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.359 on a holder because it is a giant sphere. I 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.240 think that's probably the case. They just put the sphere 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.359 down on a on a base. But I don't know 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.680 if you guys remember the stories coming out a couple 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:34.959 maybe a month ago about the giant spheres found in Bosnia. 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:38.840 This is complete tangent here, but giant spheres found in 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:44.760 there's supposedly these huge stone spheres, and this one guy 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.480 found one, and he's claiming that it's all these different things, 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.080 and there have been numerous explanations about what it is. 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:56.439 It looks exactly leg a Zenit satellite one that maybe 0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:59.960 just ended up in Bosnia. I don't know. That's interesting 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.560 because you have to wonder what kind of a crazy 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.400 game that that is. The play where they're like, well, 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:09.040 the satellites coming down, Agent Brown, you have to be 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:12.280 a Kazakhstan in twelve hours. Yeah, And how the heck 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.679 can you get this giant spear onto a like a 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:18.800 flatbed truck or something. Oh wow, very carefully, my friend 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.119 very carefully and sadly, I don't I don't know if 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:23.920 you could make it to kazakh Stan in twelve hours 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:29.080 from So we're just luck here, all right. So we're 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:31.280 gonna have to go out to UH to one of 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:35.119 our other operatives, which is weird because I just hate Darren. 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:39.240 He's such a He's been slipping. He's Darren has been slipping. 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:49.040 And if you are listening, Darren, you're fired. Oh sorry, Darren. Wow, 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.399 we just made up Darren and fired him in the 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:56.040 space of a few minutes. Okay, So we know that 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.840 these programs exist, and these are just a few, just 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:03.680 to show that multiple kinds of programs have have existed. 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.760 One of the first aims of this was to achieve 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:13.760 supremacy in the space race, and the first from from 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:20.200 the first satellite launched by Humankind spot Nick, the U 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:21.560 S s R and the U S we're trying to 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:26.720 outdo each other and to get superior surveillance. Corona probably 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:30.320 wouldn't have happened as soon as it did had a 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:34.600 YouTube spy plane up and shot down earlier. And so 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:36.920 they said, well, we'll just go high on space where 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:41.960 they can't reach us, and then immediately people began working 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:46.000 on how to kill how to kill a satellite. So 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:52.680 the question is, can we from this historical precedent, can 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:59.000 we say that secret space programs continue today or was 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:02.760 this just some old war thing. I'm not sure, but 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:15.280 we'll figure it out right after a quick break. Here's 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:21.000 where it gets crazy. There are active secret space programs. Uh. 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.720 Some of us know a little bit about them because 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:28.040 they're little bits and pieces of details that get leaks 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:32.240 or that are allowed to be discussed from a pr perspective. 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.480 But the ins and outs of these programs, the actual 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.840 processes that are occurring, or what kind of research is 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:44.600 being done with these, we won't know probably for fifty years, 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:48.440 maybe maybe a hundred years, maybe never until they're declassified. 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:53.439 And we have several examples of these. Yeah. One of 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:57.720 the biggest examples would be something that is a personal 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:01.119 off the air obsession for so was in this room, 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:06.320 and that is the infamous X thirties seven B, which 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:13.560 is an unmanned spacecraft that has been in orbit as 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.600 you checked this show out, or as we record this, 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:19.240 at least, it's been in orbit for almost a year 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:23.640 now on this stent. And what's it doing up there 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.680 because I don't know. Yeah, it was. It was launched 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:30.359 on the twentie of May of last year, and that 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.800 was its fourth flight. Yeah, the fourth time it's been 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.760 up there. It's still just going around doing who knows what, 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:39.840 just just hanging out. Probably, I bet you know. It's 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:42.920 probably just a leisure cruise for the AI system. They're 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.280 trying to get it used to what it will be 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.200 like to be isolated in space, right, That's what it is. 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.840 It's not a big deal. I spoke with Jonathan about 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.000 this yesterday because he was doing a live Facebook feed 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:57.440 and he was talking about NASA a bit, and I 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.640 mentioned the X thirties seven B and May and if 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:04.160 he didn't just throw water so hard on on my 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.520 thoughts that hey, maybe there's something, you know, weird being 0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:09.760 tested up there are some kind of surveillance program that's 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:15.719 being used with this thing, or maybe uh maybe checking 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:21.560 the ability to somehow interfere with other satellites. And I 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:25.880 feel like that's a big thing to me. If people 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.959 are putting money into these programs, there needs to be 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.280 some sort of strategic advantage for doing it, and you know, 0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:36.160 how better to have the upper hand, whether it's you know, 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:40.280 as a country, as a company, let's say, than to 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.800 be able to mess with other people's satellites, to be 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:46.280 able to disrupt or have some sort of supremacy, because 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.240 like we said earlier, I mean, we don't police outer 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:51.920 space in the same way that we police the skies, 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.080 you know, of the world. Yeah, I mean, you know, 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:58.000 so it's sort of fair game. And we we can't 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.560 have any space wars. We have free these we're not 0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.680 allowed to uh have any kind of combat in space, 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.760 at least from from a legal perspective. No country is 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.400 allowed to engage in battle up there. Right. Oh, and 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.920 I want to I want to give a brief thank 0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:19.080 you to someone. I cannot remember who said this, but 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:25.120 I had. I was talking about either the Dead Hands 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:29.920 system or something else in a live show and I 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:34.520 misspoke because I described the Strategic Defense Initiative a k A. 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:40.200 Star Wars program baron Reagan's administration, and I wasn't clear enough. 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.400 So I want to be clear now, as far as 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:46.200 we know, it was not actually built. It was only proposed, 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:50.040 So I do want to be emphatic about that. As 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.840 far as we know, it was never built. That's correct. 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:55.800 Oh and one last thing we have to remember. The 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:59.480 X thirty seven b is created by Boeing. Yes, and 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:01.600 this is another thing to keep in mind when we're 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:06.480 discussing private companies and governments and programs like NASA and 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:10.400 the intersection between companies like this where Northrop Grumman or 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.720 Boeing or you know, any of these other corporations they 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.440 get huge contracts from the government to build stuff like 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:21.520 the X thirty seven b um. So you know, when 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.960 you think about a government institution versus corporation, it's not 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:30.120 it's not always that binary, right, Yeah, I think that's 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:34.040 that's a very good point. It is often a false psychotomy. 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:38.720 So what we're talking about now is the militarization of space, 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:44.360 and you can see them. You can see the bread 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:49.120 crumbons begin to disappear in the post Cold World War era. 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:54.800 So one example of this would be that you're absolutely 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:59.200 correct now when you say that there are international treaties restricting, 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:06.400 you know, restricting China, India, Japan, the US, and Russia 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:11.840 from starting nuclear war in space. Hopefully that's the plan. 0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:17.920 But as far as listening in space or what's called 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:22.400 a space sensing system, that is still uh, you know, 0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:26.240 that is still occurring, and one example of it would 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:30.160 be the use of Well they've evolved, right, They've evolved 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:35.320 since Corona Spy satellites now have stuff like high resolution photography, 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:39.120 which is called image intelligence where immant. These are all 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:44.239 weird acronyms. Communications eavesdropping or sig iNTS signals intelligence and 0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:51.240 covert communications hum int. What is a one for? What are? What? Gift? 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:55.200 Are Noel Brown and bembol and texting each other today? 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.240 Shrimp and white wine? That was a great one. Good 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:03.120 Yeah did you actually were you actually eating shrimp? I 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:08.160 was drinking? Okay, Well it checks out. So if we 0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:11.200 think about it though, this kind of listening in this 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:16.360 sort of low earth orbit eavesdropping for lack of a 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:21.400 better word, is necessary from a state perspective, like you 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:25.760 want to know who's doing what, especially if you've got 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.960 active enemies, people who are looking to ensure your demise. 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.880 It's probably a good idea and also provides early warning 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:39.520 and missile launches, detection of nuclear detonation. That's that's probably 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:45.200 how uh the Great Powers new when India and Podkistan 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.160 conducted nuclear tests. That also gives us to you know, 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:53.040 that's probably why they learned about the Vella incidents quickly, 0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.120 did we do we did an audio podcast on Villa incident. 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.720 I don't know if we did an audio podcast. The 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:06.160 incident is an alleged nuclear test by alleged I just 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:10.200 mean we don't officially know who did it. Do you 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:16.120 think though, that having these giant corporations like Amazon and SpaceX. 0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:17.520 I mean, I don't know SpaceX is an exactly a 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:22.880 giant corporation, but Musk definitely represents, you know, an economic 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.640 force in and of himself. Do you think there's a 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:30.920 conflict of interest having these private individuals who are out, 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.400 you know, to make a profit enter into this sphere? 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:39.399 You know, absolutely? Yeah. I mean, for for me, it's 0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:43.359 always a conflict of interest when there's something good as 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:46.760 the goal, but then profit is the overall motive. Well, 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:50.240 you know, also it's it's necessary if we look at 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:58.080 the history of human exploration and expansion after the European way, 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:04.520 like many of the great Old civilizations right from African 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:10.080 African continent ancient civilizations to you know, the Middle Kingdom 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:18.280 or China, they were expanding typically through some sort of 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.319 quests for resources, you know, uh so, and and that 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:25.080 applies you know, to those European countries as well. I 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.080 My fear is that the that we will be alive 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:33.560 when the first manned off world colony comes into existence, 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.680 and that it will be run by something much more 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:43.280 like the dutchy c India Company than a altruistic saved 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:47.600 the world or saved the species kind of thing. Mars 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:53.120 banana plantations. Maybe here's something creepy too. Another thing that 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:59.640 these satellites are used for, of course, is GPS, which listeners. 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:05.360 Let's be honest, you probably used somewhat recently. GPS is 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:09.799 the stuff man I I I think if any technology 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.399 that exists today that didn't when I was a kid, 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:16.120 that is by far my favorite. It's a game changer 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.560 for sure. I mean in a lot of different scenarios. 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.040 Even if you're if you're like me and can't find 0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.239 your way out of a paper bag, that's changed my life. 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:31.280 The cost of maintaining that system, it's okay. So the system, 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:35.480 the GPS system, and you know they're they're different ones, 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:40.239 right like India has the Indian Regional Navigational Satellite System. 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:47.359 The Global Positioning System UH that was originally designed was 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:51.480 designed by and is still controlled by UH. Someone who 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.360 will let anyone use it free of charge? Do you 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:57.600 know who designed and controls it? No? I think you 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:03.880 do know it's the US Department of Defense, so U 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.400 you know the same kind of like the Google strategy 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.920 ask ask me anything free all you know? Of course 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.359 that's that services free. They're not going to give you 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.719 a GPS phone or Internet connection. Um. So that I 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.920 can imagine that being a thing though in the future, 0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.800 and so it you know, it leads people to wonder 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.360 what what happens with this data? You know? Uh? And 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.439 then there's there's the other idea that we just talked 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:38.040 about net network centric warfare. So using these communication abilities 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:43.279 to essentially have clarabulance, you know, to to be the 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.879 three of us were in a battle on one side 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:50.000 or the other, then the people that had sent us 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.839 there would want us to be able to know like, oh, 0:37:53.200 --> 0:38:00.799 across the field the that Frederick Conian is prepping a 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:07.440 and H electromagnetic disruptor or something, you know, and he 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:13.759 would would. It's so fredrick Onian and right, and we 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:19.200 know that. Um. We we know that the things like 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:25.200 the X thirty seven, the unmanned aerial vehicles are reality. 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:29.960 Doubtlessly there are other countries attempting to do the same thing, 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:33.600 if not doing it currently. And what one more example 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:41.000 of an active secret space program, which is happening now 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:46.040 as we speak. So in early two thousand's, both the 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:51.720 US and China sent some pretty tense, barely veiled, uh, 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:57.080 barely veiled threats to each other. Uh what what? What 0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:01.400 did they do? So in the early both the US 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:07.560 and China sent some pretty tense signals, let's say, to 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:14.279 each other, when they both publicly unveiled their satellite killing technology. Yeah. 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:19.680 I love that, the idea of satellite killers, but this 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:24.080 was actually presented as an efficient way to dispose of 0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:28.240 their own aging satellites on both sides, and they actually 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.120 made pretty clear threats against each other. Well yeah, I 0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:35.320 mean it's a perfect veiled threat. Right. Oh our satellite 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:40.480 is not functioning. Oh look we killed it, and it 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:42.680 just you know, it's that whole under the table things 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.640 just shows you well, you know, it could have been 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:49.399 your satellite, yeah wink. And you know in two thousand eight, 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:53.760 there's another one called Operation Burnt Frost or burn Frost, 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.680 I think it's Burnt Frost. This was one where the U. 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:01.680 S military destroyed and nonfunctioning U n r O National 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:05.759 Reconstance Office satellite. UM again, same kind of deal, just 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.200 like here, we're gonna send this missile up and we 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:12.280 can target a satellite in freaking space. This is clearly 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:16.200 an example of UM paying lip service to one thing 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.799 and just saying this is a test of capabilities. But 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.120 everybody knew what the rioting on the wall was. Here 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:26.640 are my muscles, my ability to shoot downside? Yeah, it's 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:30.959 like someone saying just casually saying, look at this knife. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.600 look how far I can throw it? And uh, this 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.040 is These are just some examples of things that are 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:53.839 proven but remain to some degree classified. So where to now, Well, 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:57.880 now we get into the deep dark areas, the places 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:02.280 where light barely penetrates. We're in the fringe. You guys, 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.239 you're ready for this one. I'm just gonna say one name, 0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:10.600 Gary McKinnon. Oh you know what we're talking about. We're 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:14.279 talking about hacking NASA. Back in two thousand one, I 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.800 think two thousand two was one. He was actively hacking NASA, 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:23.239 going through their databases and uh, this gentleman found well, 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:28.960 he declares that he found some pretty crazy stuff. I 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.279 think early on in an interview that he gave to 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.640 Wired News just a couple of years after and that 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.120 he had done this. I believe it was two thousand six. 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:42.320 He says, this is a quote. I knew that government 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:46.480 suppressed anti gravity UFO related technologies, free energy or what 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:49.200 they call zero point energy. This should not be hidden 0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:54.160 from the public when pensioners can't pay their bills, you know. Okay, 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.840 So this statement alone right here, So you've got a 0:41:56.840 --> 0:42:00.279 person who was personally motivated to go and find these 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:06.880 things that he believes exists inside NASA servers somewhere. Um, 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.040 he goes in and he thinks that he's found some 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:15.360 of this stuff. He I think, let's see. He claimed 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:19.319 to find a manifest that described what we're called non 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:24.440 terrestrial officers. Yes, and he claimed that he did see 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:31.160 an image particular of of a craft with technology that 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:35.239 does not exists, but he wasn't able to get that 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:39.040 image to then show it to other people, which you know, 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.560 it stinks because you want to believe at any point, 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.440 you want to believe a person at least this is 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:48.840 this is Matt speaking for himself. I want to believe 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:54.040 what someone says at all times. But it's very tough 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:58.319 to take something like that that's so out there, a 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.960 claim that just kind of makes you roll your eyes 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:02.880 a little bit, even if you want to believe it. 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:04.920 What do you think, No, it does come off as 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:06.960 a bit of a stretch. I agree. I mean, you know, 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.160 it's the nature of me. You know, it's like a 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.440 it's like a sticky kind of a slippery slope writing 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.719 that line between skepticism and belief, and you kind of 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.279 have to just find a happy middle ground. And I 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:22.600 think you do a fine job of that yourself, madam. Well, 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:24.560 you know one other thing then you have to remember 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.919 this guy is on a fifty six K modem back 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:30.400 into early two thousand's as he's going through these servers 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.680 and I'm imagining downloading the image because you guys remember 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.799 back then, as the image comes down, it's going one 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.759 or two lines at a time, and just I imagine 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:46.080 being Gary McKinnon and just seeing this image develop one 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.120 line at a time. Right, what is this? Yeah? What? 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.960 He It's weird because it gets into some technical stuff 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:57.160 there because he says that he got into Johnson Space 0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:00.680 Centers Building eight, that he remotely access us the terminal 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:04.560 there and they found a folder that had these photographs 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:08.080 that were two hundreds or three hundred megabyte images and 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:13.399 the pictures were of cigar shaped craft in orbit. But 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.919 as you say, it was on a dial up. So 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.520 he's he here's his quote. I turned the color down 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.400 to four bit and the screen resolution really really low, 0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.279 and even then it was still juttering as it came 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:28.080 onto the screen. But it was whatever came on was 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.239 amazing and culmination of all my efforts. It was a 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:33.600 picture of something that definitely wasn't man made. But again, 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.839 he's looking at it at four bits of color with 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:40.520 super low screen resolution just in order to see it right, 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.759 And at that point the image is so degraded, then 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.439 how can you ever tell what it actually is? Well, 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.000 he says he was able to take a screenshot. Where's that? 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.320 You can't find it looking for it right now? Yeah, 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:58.080 I'm looking for the screenshot, trying a screenshot of a 0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:02.720 terrible picture. I'll take that a look at His computer 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:05.319 was seized by police during his first rest and no 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:09.600 two uh So, people say, is the claim to have 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:14.160 seen evidence of the UFO cover up credible? For bit? 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:21.240 It's tough, um, And you know, at that point would 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:24.279 that be a what how would you know that was 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.880 not an artist rendition? How would you know that was 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:33.120 the bona fide article? Yeah, or just some ideas that 0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:36.000 are being thrown around, like imagine some of the meetings 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.640 for development for shows and stuff like that that we 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.879 have here. But that's all internal. You know, it might 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.239 be on one of our hard drives or even on 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:47.040 a server or something. If we're like on our team, 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.080 the video team will make a sketch up, a mock 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.800 up of what a show might look like or something 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:55.440 like that. And I can imagine someone at NASSA or 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:59.160 Goddard mocking up, well, hey, this is what a possible 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:03.560 spacecraft could look like if we implemented these technologies. I 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.600 can see it. Well. The part of the issue here 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:12.840 is that he's still fighting extradition. He is in the UK, 0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:16.920 right and he is fighting off Uncle Sam who wants 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:20.920 to extradidem to the US, and they're going to a 0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.360 lot of trouble to get him. They're going to like 0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:27.000 a Sande level, well not a Sange level. As soon 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:28.880 as a Sande is out of the embassy, he's just 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:32.480 black bagged, I'm sure. But but what you know, I 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.440 think it's such an interesting case because he went in 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:41.000 there not for some political or ideological and so much 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:42.879 as he went in there because he believes that free 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:46.440 energy is real, that the US government has discovered it 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:51.400 or has somehow created vehicles that can use it, and 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:55.680 he wanted to prove it to the world. Obviously. Uh, 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:58.560 he had a great combination of skill and luck when 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:03.880 it comes to UM online espionage. I think it was 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.520 all because he read a book that had come out 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:12.480 around then about basic hacker codes, like not not codes, 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:16.120 but codes of conduct, that kind of thing, like how 0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:21.040 to how to view the UM philosophy of being a hacker, 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.480 and he was inspired by it. And you'll see so 0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:28.160 many people online or on the lecture circuit who insists 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:32.960 that they have proof of secret space programs involving alien 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:39.200 technology or extraterrestrials themselves, and how cool. Just show me 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.919 the money guys and the spacecraft show. Yeah right, show 0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:47.120 me the saucer the The interesting thing about this, though, 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:52.480 is that, in a way we've talked about this in 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:56.600 the past. In a way, many abduction stories, or many 0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:00.880 working with alien stories have tropes that are similar to 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:05.280 stories from earlier ages, involving things like fairies or change 0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:10.080 lands or elves. And you know, from a folklore perspective, 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:15.520 we have to ask ourselves, are these stories just echoes 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:19.480 of earlier stories that have changed their clothes for our 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:25.520 modern age? Or or yeah, is it real? And as 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:30.239 it continued happening somehow without universally acknowledged proof. Here's a 0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:34.520 catchy thing about launching as a space shuttle launching spacecraft 0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:40.000 satellite uh an I CBM like an intercontinent continental ballistic 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:45.200 missile which goes in suborbital flight. Um people will know. 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.799 The average person will only really know if they're close 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.680 enough to see it. The people who will know are 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:56.520 the people who control the sensory equipment. And there are 0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.759 not a whole lot of those people. So if they 0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:03.720 all agree to keep something a secret, I'm not saying 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:09.640 it's plausible, but I am saying that something can launch 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:14.319 with fewer people knowing than you might expect. And what 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:18.080 if there is technology that doesn't require a launch like 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.880 that with burning of fuel that could be detected in 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:24.200 that way? What if the zero point energy thing is real, Ben, 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.200 and it's in a hangar somewhere out in Groom Lake, 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:29.840 then then we would if that's the case, then we 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:33.799 would go to the economic argument of artificial scarcity, right 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:39.040 like to maintain a status quo of social inequality and injustice. Uh. 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:42.359 The powers that be, whatever those powers would be described as, 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:48.759 are conspiring to prevent UH technological advancement past a certain threshold. 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:54.480 Which is interesting because I remember hearing years and years 0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:59.080 and years ago someone say that um Mayen and Aztec 0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:03.640 civiliz ation was amazingly advanced, yet no one had invented 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:08.000 the wheel, which seemed to me like utter bunk, you know. 0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.560 And I remember as a kid, I formed this entire 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:13.040 conspiracy theory in my head, and I thought, Yeah, every 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:16.680 time somebody built a wheel, they were sacrificed and killed 0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:19.840 or they ended up abandoned in the jungle or something 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:24.200 because it was a profane idol of some sort. It 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:27.920 was like the man was keeping him down. Uh. I 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:31.400 have absolutely no proof whatsoever that or even if that 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:35.400 story is real, because it still seems highly implausible to me. 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:37.680 This is something that I just remember thinking of as 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:40.720 a kid. Well, let's talk about how this zero point 0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:45.799 energy idea came about, because it for me, at least 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.640 from my understanding, it traces it. It's traces its origins 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:52.719 back to and the Roswell incident when we thought there 0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:57.680 was a there perhaps was probably not though a an 0:50:57.680 --> 0:51:01.920 alien spacecraft of some sort or UFO that crash landed 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.480 that used this type of technology that was then you know, 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:11.319 broken apart and re engineered by by let's say, the 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:16.799 US military. Yeah, that's the idea. Um. I hate to 0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.720 be the party pooper in the bunch, and I'm usually 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:25.400 not this person, but it seems like a lot of 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:27.520 the stuff we found looking into it indicates that it 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:31.160 was part of Project Mogul. Right, the weather balloons meant 0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:35.480 to sense nuclear detonation on everything that we looked at. 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:39.600 You're right, that's what That's what I would lean towards 0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:42.719 as the reason that the Roswald crash happened. But you're 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:46.919 talking about the actual the idea of free energy. Yes, 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:49.920 I'm just talking about the origins of this thought process 0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:54.960 of connecting the stuff together, you know, because aliens I 0:51:55.000 --> 0:52:03.560 have fascinated humans for decades centuries. Yeah, absolutely, And as 0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:07.400 our technology has progressed, the way it's changed, as we 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:11.640 get into microchips, as we get into what was it transistors, 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:14.520 I forget what the huge leap was in the like 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.800 around that time forty seven, because there there's some pretty 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:21.120 interesting technological leaps that occurred right around that time. But 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:24.279 you know, is that coincidence? Is that just because our 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:29.800 technology is at that point? Um, you know, who who's 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:32.120 to say not me? I don't, I don't, I don't know. 0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:35.680 And there's so many other there's so many other secret 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:41.160 space programs that we could say are alleged to exist, 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:44.319 like the Black Night satellite, which we looked at in 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:48.440 the past. Uh. The idea for for extraterrestrials, the idea 0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:53.640 usually takes one of one of three tax like aliens 0:52:53.640 --> 0:53:00.879 exist and are in communication with some elite human lead organization, 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:06.919 or aliens crashed recently and some elite human organization took 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:11.600 their stuff, or aliens crashed in the distant past and 0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:16.640 the ruins were found and somehow humanity was able to 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.640 put those back together. I think those all make for 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:23.440 fascinating stories. And I would lose my mind if there 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:26.200 was proof of it. It would it would be astonished. 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:29.719 I would be running in the streets around Ponts. I 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:33.040 would the street that is Ponts. You better look both ways, 0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:36.520 I like, I wouldn't care though I'd be like Haliah 0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:38.399 and then you won't be around to see you when 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:41.160 they come down. And you know, yeah, I don't care. 0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:43.759 I'd hit the greens on the corner, make their presentation. 0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:48.520 Oh yeah, their power point power point. What if of 0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:52.800 all the technology that humanity has managed, the mcgever together 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:56.200 on our time here, power point is the most impressive 0:53:56.239 --> 0:54:01.040 to aliens, not prezy wow, bring up some excelf spreadsheets, 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:04.719 not anything else about computers, not just power point and 0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:09.960 clip art, clip art. They love clip art. So what 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:13.120 do we take away from all this, gents? Well, what 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:15.759 do you think? No, I think and again this is 0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:18.600 my opinion. I think it is foolish to assume that 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:23.600 there are not programs, secret space programs taking place. And 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:27.480 I mean, you know, I keep harping on this privatization 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:31.400 of space travel and what that could mean, But wouldn't 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:34.360 it be possible that these companies have a forward facing 0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:37.440 kind of public wing and then maybe they've got some 0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:40.680 kind of skunk work, see stuff going on behind the scenes. 0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:43.160 You think about the money that goes into some of 0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:46.200 these corporations that are working directly with the government, and 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:49.200 all the while everyone's like rockets. Look at that that 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.600 is so cool, you know, and it's just it's is 0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:57.000 a big wow factor. But you know, there could be 0:54:57.880 --> 0:54:59.880 other things going on. I don't know, but we did 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:06.919 even mentioned black budgets. Yeah, the government has so much 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:10.000 secret money. For all the people who are saying, I 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:13.080 don't know where all where's all that tax money going? Uh, 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.880 A lot of it is a lot of it is 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:19.120 secreted away because there have to there have to be 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:24.920 layers of plausible deniability so that your local representative or 0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:29.399 your senator doesn't know about it, and and many times 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:32.160 they genuinely do not. And all that stuff would likely 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:36.719 be militaristic nature, much much of it would be yet 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.960 dirty stuff. And then sometimes you know, in the past, 0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:43.719 at least in the US where we're recording this podcast, 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:49.239 in the past, government agencies have gone rogue against like 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:52.840 against the law and against the wishes of the rest 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:57.160 of the governments and waged illegal wars or assisted in 0:55:57.280 --> 0:56:02.000 drug trafficking to raise money for specific operations. And I'm 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:06.239 not saying an entire agency went rogue, I'm just saying factions. 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:09.960 So I think, yeah, I think, uh, it could likely 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:16.480 be military nature. What disturbs me the most is the 0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:22.480 idea that's somewhere above us, there might be UH satellite 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:28.520 with nuclear deployment capability. It's possible. You're saying a nuclear 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:32.640 weapon that could be just in violation of all the treaties, yeah, 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:35.440 or in violation of the more as I should say, 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:39.160 of international law. Um, I think it's I think it 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:41.080 is possible. I don't know if it's plausible. I have 0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:44.840 absolutely no proof for it. Space death ray episode maybe 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:49.040 a space death ray episode. None, A bad idea? Why yeah, 0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:51.719 why would you not have a giant active laser up 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:54.120 there just ready to go. Feel As long as it's 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:58.520 your giant active laser, we're cool. Right, that's the takeaway 0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:02.120 from today us. Before we head out today, we have 0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:14.839 time for one more thing. Yes, that's right, shout Out 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:20.200 Corner and we have a guest theme today. I'm feeling 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.960 a little bit put to shame by this. Wesley Slover 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:26.800 did a musical tribute to the Shout Out Corner and 0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:32.040 it is quite unsettling and kind of love. Yeah, it's 0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:36.000 well done. You can follow him at Sono Sanctus on Twitter, 0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:39.080 and if any of you want to put a little 0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:40.880 spin on the Shout Out Corner and make your own 0:57:40.880 --> 0:57:44.640 shout out corner little jingle there. Please send it to us, 0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:48.439 you know we would love to play it and kind 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:53.200 of show it off. And next shout out to kian Ken. 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:56.800 You describe yourself as an irishman living in Minnesota. Ladies 0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:59.680 and gentlemen. Keen has recently discovered our show due to 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.920 uning injuries. We want to say thank you for the 0:58:03.000 --> 0:58:06.000 kind words. Uh and we heard you want us to 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:11.440 look into Virgin Mary appearances and other supposed miracles. You 0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:15.520 also suggested we dive deeper into alternative medicines, both the 0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:18.800 myths and the truths. I like both of those. Yeah, 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:21.560 we haven't done much on miracles. No, not at all. 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:25.720 I don't think we have. We we discussed, we've discussed 0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:31.760 some prophecies discussed. We discussed some prophecies involving the Catholic Church. 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:36.520 And the last shoutout goes to someone that we've shouted 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:41.080 at before. Uh, so you're welcome and sorry. Vaults of 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:45.760 X Tough. This fellow is he makes metal music. He's 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:49.040 a rapper, he's also a dad. He took some pictures 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:52.240 for new music projects that he's got coming up, and 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:56.480 he was wearing one of our knowledge is contagious shirts 0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:59.720 that we created and you can find on our website. 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:03.760 I didn't know anyone bought any of those, So thanks Faults. 0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:07.400 And it's really cool to see you. Because he's dude. 0:59:07.400 --> 0:59:10.520 You should see this picture. He's got an awesome looks 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:13.360 like a leather jacket on. He's got such metal hair 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:16.439 and facial hair and they just got our shirt. Man, 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:19.560 thanks for wearing that. Yeah, hey, thanks, thanks so much 0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:23.000 for giving you try. We we appreciate it. Uh. And 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:30.480 that concludes today's shout out corner. And he did the 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:35.360 reverse too. Yeah wow. 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