1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: We are on the precipice as a global civilization. We're 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: on the precipice of private industry leading the charge into space. 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: And uh, I think I don't know. I was always 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: a space ner growing up. What about you, guys? Were 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: you interested in this stuff? Do you ever want to 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: be an astronaut or an engineer? I did briefly, I 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: mean as is a little later in life, but I 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: worked at a science center called Fork Discovery. We had 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: one of those cool gyroscope things, just probably one of 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: the cooler things you actually get to mess within space camp. 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: Turns out there's no zero gravity room, unfortunately, but they 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: surely look cool on all those Nickelodeon game show, you know, 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: prize commercials. Oh yeah, and I spent quite a bit 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: of time in Huntsville, Alabama, hanging out doing doing our thing. 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: We've talked about the Young Astronauts program on here before. 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: I think we even shared an image of me as 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: a young boy with a bowl cut in my Young 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Astronauts te shirt. I think we all did. Did we 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: all have bull cut periods? Uh buple of a certain age? 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: I think it's entirely possible. I had a flat top 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: for a time all I know is that the good 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: people in Huntsville never told me about any secret space programs, 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: and I'm kinda ticked off about it. Yeah, no kidding, 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's something that a lot of people would 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: understandably be ticked off about. In this classic episode, were 26 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: are asking ourselves about the existence of space programs that 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: operate in secrecy. Spoiler alert, they're very much real. Still 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: listen to the episode, though, because the way we get 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: there is is fascinating worth the time, and this is 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: from so they're even more secret or now, Oh the 31 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: interesting times. I did not go to space Camp, but 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: whether or not Matt and Ben got to high enough 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: levels of space Camp clearance to be briefed on these 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: we do now know about quite a few of them, 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about them in this episode from 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: UFOs two Psychic Powers. Since government conspiracies, history is riddled 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: with unexplained events, you can turn back now or learn 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, welcome 39 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: is Noel. And although I insisted on keeping our show 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: from getting into air at the time, it should because 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: I had to play some dumb YouTube songs. I'm still Ben, 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: hopefully you're still you and uh. Today we are looking 44 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: at something that touches on a lot of basis for 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: things that we have covered in the past. So I 46 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: figured maybe one of the best ways to start is 47 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, guys. I don't know if 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: we've ever talked about this on air, did you ever 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: want to be an asked or not? When you grew up. 50 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: I watched a lot of Nickelodeon when I was a kid, 51 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: and as you may or may not remember, a lot 52 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: of those shows, Respawns stared by Space Camp, and um, 53 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: you know that was the big grand prize. If you 54 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: went on double there you got to go to Space Camp. 55 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: And I think we all remember seeing the commercial where 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: these kids were just floating, you know, weightlifts, and we're like, 57 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: I want to go to there. That seems totally awesome. 58 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. My roommate went to space Camp. No such room, 59 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: no such anti gravity room. You know who else went 60 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: to space Camp? Here's that? This guy? Yeah? Yeah, I 61 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: was a young astronaut. I was fascinated by I went 62 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: to a couple of camps and I think Huntsville Alabama's 63 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: where they have a lot of that stuff, and it 64 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: was it was great. I mean that was my dream man, 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: I was I was either going to be a marine 66 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: biologist or an astronaut. What did you think being an 67 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: astronaut really meant? Did you? Did you have the concept 68 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: of space scientists or were you thinking you were going 69 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: to be like, you know, battling extra No, I was 70 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: hoping scientists. That's that was the track I wanted to 71 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: be on. I didn't need to talk down to your 72 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: younger self. There he understands. Yeah, I also know you 73 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: know this. I also went to space camp in a 74 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: mass everybody went to space camp except me. So I 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: think we should take you to space camp right af 76 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: there we go to David Busters. Look, I'm not joking 77 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: about either of those. And I see your smirks from 78 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: across the table, ladies and gentlemen of the Internet, our 79 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: but the steamed co host by close friends outside of work, 80 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: I think I'm joking about David Busters and the Space program. 81 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm not joking about either of those. Visiting space related 82 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: stuff is so cool and No, you are a meticulous 83 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: person when it comes to your work ethic and a 84 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: lot of people might not know this because you're you're 85 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: very relaxed and personable and and chill when you know, 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: when we're hanging out, we're talking from times you do 87 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: get we do know what buttons you have? You guys, 88 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: there's an adult space camp in Huntsville, Alabama, and it 89 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: is available and we can go adult is in for 90 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: grown ups or adult is in like Showtime after Dark? 91 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: Maybe both hopefully it is uh for a four day 92 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: space camp, it's six dollars. That seems like a lot 93 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: of money. Did they cover the food? I hope so 94 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: all that freeze dried ice cream. Man cannot live on 95 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: freeze dried ice cream alone. But if you're like us, 96 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: then you probably at some point when you were a kid, 97 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: thought of being an astronaut. How cool is it to 98 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: go where no one has gone before? And even even 99 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: in adulthood, many of us retain this fascination without space 100 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: right uh. And we've seen the resurgence of this with 101 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: the whole mission to mars Idea, all the all of 102 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: the volunteers who are coming out from everywhere just saying yeah, 103 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: I'll do it. And Ellen Musk, the founder of PayPal 104 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: and and Tesla Motors, just declared recently reiterated again more definitively, 105 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: that he aims to take some people to Mars, and 106 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe one of us, maybe one one of us, 107 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: whether listening or podcasting today, could be on that ship. 108 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: What we know is that humanity has always been fascinated 109 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: by space, and it's um, it's up there with the 110 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: ocean as the least explored environment that we have encountered. 111 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: We went House of Works, went to NASA's Goddard Space Center, 112 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: uh several months back to check out the successor to 113 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: the Hubble telescope, that James Webb telescope, and when we 114 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: were there, we have videos that will go ahead and 115 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: plug that you can find on the How Stuff Works 116 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, which is, you know, kind of the full disclosure. 117 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm in a couple of them, the bad interviews. I'm 118 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: the one doing the bad interviews. But then our our 119 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: our friend uh and maybe future guests host right, No, 120 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: Holly Fry Yeah, is on there from stuff you missed 121 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: in history class, so you can learn more about the 122 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: science of exploring space, at least the publicly acknowledged stuff. 123 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: Today's question is a little bit different. But before we 124 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: go into that, let's let's talk about some of the 125 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: things we know about publicly acknowledged space exploration today. Like, 126 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: first off, it's expensive, Yeah, it's crazy expensive in the 127 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: cost of development and five years of operation was estimated 128 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: to be eight point eight three five billion dollars with 129 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: a B for the James Webb for this telescope that 130 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: you're the one, Yeah, the one that you got to 131 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: go look at, and when you were in there, it's 132 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: this massive facility with people just working around the clock. 133 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: Just I mean, because not only did the build a thing, 134 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: you have to test it so vigorously for years because 135 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: once it's up there, it's up there. Yeah, what are 136 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: you gonna do? Right? And then there's you know, there's 137 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: a huge history of of of space exploration, right, the 138 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: space race may have heard that term before, right, Cold 139 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: War USSR versus the United States began in nineteen fifty five, 140 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: but it continues today and there are more people in 141 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: the game. Yes, So, as of they're an estimated seventy 142 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: different state sponsored space agencies. Thirteen of those have a 143 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: known ability to launch vessels out into space. Okay, that 144 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: makes sense. So what we're saying there is that of 145 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: those seventy. The majority of the agencies don't themselves have 146 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: the ability to launch their own thing. They partner with 147 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: other agencies like NASA. That is the idea. So of 148 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: those thirteen, though, only six have what's known as full 149 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: launch capability. That means they can actually get back some 150 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: of the things they shoot out to space. It is 151 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: like recovering satellites for example. I mean, it's not a 152 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: one and done scenario where you put it out there 153 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: and we're never going to see that guy again. Um. 154 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: They can actually deploy cryogenic rocket engines. Um. And they 155 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: can also operate probes remotely. Yeah. So once it's once 156 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: it's out there in space, you've got to handle on 157 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: how to make it work. Or you can drop a 158 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: vehicle remotely right to voyage around Mars. Uh. Yes, that 159 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: that's strange that when you think of the rate of attrition, 160 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: there seventy different agencies. Thirteen can put something up and 161 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: six can do something effective with it. Yeah, so six 162 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: out of all the countries on Earth. And we know 163 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: of course that state sponsored agencies are not the only 164 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: ones in the game that you alluded to this earlier, right, Oh, yes, 165 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: billionaires and well not just billionaires. A lot of billionaires though, 166 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: and their private corporations are getting into this, this whole 167 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: space scheme we saw. Let's see space X that's again 168 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: founded by Elon Musk, like you you mentioned, they just 169 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: launched another satellite, the second in just a couple of 170 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: weeks here. I think it was a Thaie communication satellite. 171 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: Previously there was a Japanese satellite that went up um 172 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: And the crazy thing about SpaceX is that they can, 173 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: like you're saying, reusing the materials, they bring their entire 174 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: rocket back down and landed. Someone looks made up. It's 175 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: like this vertical rocket coming down onto a little like 176 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: a drone boat run platform out in the middle of 177 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: the ocean. It's bizarre. It looks like someone played the 178 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: clip in reverse I launch. It's a very strange. And 179 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean, all of this is so fascinating because we're 180 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: entering a time now where I mean this in the 181 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: past has been in the realm exclusively of big government 182 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: agencies that have all of this budget for this stuff. 183 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: And as we know, you know, focus on space exploration 184 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: has kind of waxed and waned over the years a bit, 185 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: and now it's kind of getting squarely in the realm 186 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: of these billionaires who are able to raise their own money, 187 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: use their own capital to do their own research, and 188 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: it seems like some of them are doing a pretty 189 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: good job. Well, yeah, the day we're recording this, Jeff 190 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: Bezos is Blue Origin. Another one. They just launched an 191 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: unmanned aircraft are excusing spacecraft. It's a prototype rocket that's 192 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: apparently supposed to be reusable, just like the other ones, 193 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: and they again landed it back on Earth. So another 194 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: company with another billionaire, and Bezos is the Emperor of Amazon. 195 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: And those aren't the only private space flight uh, space ears, 196 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: space space tycoons. I can't call them space tycoons yet. 197 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: How about space cotiers, space gatiers perfect like Rocketeer. Sure 198 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: you don't seem as happy with that. I like it 199 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: all right? Who else is in this game? Oh, you've 200 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: got Virgin Galactic, another billionaire, there, Biglow Aerospace, X Core Aerospace, 201 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: orbital Sciences. I mean, the list goes on. There's area, 202 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: they're they're all kinds of other ones that are from 203 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: different countries. Sometimes a lot of these are based in 204 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: the US, um, but they're they're all over the planet, right, 205 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: and just being based in the US, of course, does 206 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: not restrict their operations there there are optimal places around 207 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: the globe from which to launch something into space, so 208 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: they travel widely there on a world tour. So given 209 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: the lessons learned from the private entities and from the 210 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: history of state sponsored space agencies, we found, uh, we 211 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: found some some pretty interesting things about space travel. If 212 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: you are interested in the idea of space travel, we'd 213 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: also like you to check out how stuff works other 214 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: podcast particularly well, I don't know, I think almost everybody 215 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: has something about space travel. Absolutely. Our friends over it's 216 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: touf mom never told you have done some great work 217 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: on female astronauts, women in the airspace industry in general. Yeah, 218 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: and so so it goes across the board. Every every 219 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: podcast we have as something about space has done a 220 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: couple of things, right, yeah, yeah, as well, so we 221 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: did lunar rovers So what we found is that despite 222 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: the evolution of space travel, there's still a few things 223 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: that are true and and here they are just across 224 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: the board. I'll go first. It's terrifyingly easy for something 225 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: to go wrong, frighteningly easy. For example, the Challenger disaster. 226 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: And that's not the that's not that's just one that's 227 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: in the public sphere. There are multiple classified accidents that 228 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: occurred during the Soviet space programs. You've learned about a 229 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: few of those cosmonauts, and we have done work before 230 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: on the lost cosmonaut theories, and I think on it 231 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: than Strictland from tech stuff has covered it. But definitely 232 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: people died in training, and as we mentioned earlier, podcasts 233 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: were literally erased from history. There's some fascinating stories in 234 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: within that topic, so I would encourage you to go 235 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: check that out if you're listening to this. So a 236 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: big part, like what I was alluding to earlier, that 237 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: makes this so difficult to do is that these voyages, 238 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: this equipment, everything that goes into doing this stuff incredibly 239 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: prohibitively expensive. So the average cost of a man space 240 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: launch was estimated to be four hundred and fifty million 241 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: dollars in twenty eleven. That's for a single launch, and 242 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: that's by NASA. That's by NASA, and then the overall 243 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: cost for a shuttle's thirty year lifespan. So if you're 244 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: in it for the long haul, you're looking at a 245 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: one hundred and nineties six billion dollar tab, which is 246 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: adjusted for inflation for for right now? But still, how 247 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: is that a number? Yeah, that's that's amazing. But then 248 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: there's there's a third thing here about every kind of 249 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: space endeavor, which we were startled to find in some 250 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: of our earlier work. Yeah, how in the heck do 251 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: you keep it a secret that you are using fuel, 252 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: very loud, very bright, uh fuel to launch things up 253 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: into and beyond the atmosphere? How do you keep that 254 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,479 Speaker 1: a secret? And then how do you keep a satellite 255 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: a secret? And when it's orbiting in the sky, which 256 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: at this point is still uncensored. Today's question, ladies and gentlemen, 257 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: do world governments and corporations have secret space programs? Given 258 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: the cost, given how incredibly difficult it is. It's like 259 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to make a video game reference. Tell 260 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: me if I get it. It's like if there were 261 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: Dark Souls fourteen? Does that work? I think so? I 262 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: mean so it's a little different, but I'm gonna go 263 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: is the tough one, right, Yeah, that's the tough one. 264 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm so out of it. Well, yeah, because in a way, 265 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: every time, if you really want to get into the 266 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: space program, much like if you really want to get 267 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: into Dark souls. You basically have to take up the 268 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: controller and attempt as many times as you possibly can, 269 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: and you'll get things right as you go along, little 270 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: by little by little by little. But ultimately you can't 271 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: just jump in and get the whole thing right. You 272 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: can't just win by starting the space race. I'm sorry 273 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: that I gave you this albatross of a metaphor. I'm 274 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: trying to work with it. Let's just let it go. 275 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: I apologize. I guess one thing is ultimately you end 276 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: up throwing the controller against the wall in both cases. 277 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, that's familiar, the controller or the or 278 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: the lander. Right. What we know for sure that we 279 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: know for sure that secret space programs did exist, and 280 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: historically the origins of really space programs are shrouded in secret. 281 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: The gan is research into rocketry and rockets. The idea 282 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: of a rocket is ancient, dates all the way back 283 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: to the first principles essential to rocket flight came from 284 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: the writings of a Roman named ALUs Gellius, who told 285 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: a story about a Greek guy named Arcatas who lived 286 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: in a city called Tarantum is now part of southern Italy, 287 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: somewhere around four b C. According to this story, he uh, 288 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: he made a pigeon out of wood and amused people 289 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: by flying it using the principles of rocketry, the action 290 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: reaction principle, which wasn't a scientific law until the seventeenth century. 291 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: The point is, maybe this metaphor is not or this 292 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: excuse me, comparison is not that far off, because you 293 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: were you are absolutely right about baby steps. So we 294 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: know that people began working on rockets way before they 295 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: thought about taking them to space. But we know that 296 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: given the research of rocketry and the enormous jump it 297 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: had during World War Two, the foundations of the US 298 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: rocketry programs, the U s s R, which was the 299 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: big the big other agency at the Cold War uh, 300 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: and what ultimately became a space program, what ultimately led 301 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: to atomic bombs, involved some shady stuff. In particular something 302 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: known as Operation paper Clip. Yes, that's when Nazi scientists 303 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: and scientists from other non Allied countries were brought to 304 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: both to the to the United States, to the United 305 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: Kingdoms and other parts of the world where they were 306 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: secreted away. You know, these are people who were working 307 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: on specialized projects for let's say, for bad people doing 308 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: bad things like them or Brown. Yeah, but they had 309 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: an amazing amount of research and intelligence and stra tegically, 310 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: I guess it just made a lot of sense to 311 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: keep them around and just to jump on the the 312 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: rocketry programs that the world had. It was all about 313 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: launching a missile or launching, you know, a bomb. How 314 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: do I get this bomb all the way over here 315 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: where I wanted to explode and you know, not have 316 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: to take a ship over there or a plane or something. 317 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: That's that is why we have space flight. It's because 318 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: we wanted to figure out how to more effectively bomb 319 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: people from far away, which is kind of strange to 320 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: think about. And the U. S. Government as a history 321 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: of this as well. I mean, the CIA actually ran 322 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: a secret satellite surveillance network another fun thing to say 323 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: three times fast from fifty nine to nineteen two, where 324 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: and they spied on the USSR and the people's reblic 325 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: with China from you guessed it out of space UM. 326 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: And this is a story I love so much because 327 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: it just goes to show the scrappy nature of you know, 328 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: and things done by the U. S. Government. So the 329 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: UM satellite didn't actually have the ability to transmit photographs 330 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: remotely you know, through uh, through the air, right the sixties, 331 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: what's what's what's the what's the fix there? Well, they 332 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: actually had negatives and they would drop the negatives from space. Yeah, 333 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: I'm picturing little parachutes and I just don't even There 334 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: are pictures you can see pictures and even diagrams on 335 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: well wikipedias where I found them of the Corona that 336 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about, the Corona program. Uh, yeah, you can 337 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: see just just how old fashioned it looks and feels. 338 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: How just can't imagine how who do they send out? 339 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: What poor sucker do they send out to find these things? 340 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: And where's the film adaptation to that? I bet there's 341 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: maybe there's a classified script there still somewhere. Yeah, But 342 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: they spent a lot of money on that as well. 343 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: According to some former officials, the total estimated cost of 344 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: the program was eight hundred and fifty million dollars, which 345 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like that much compared to you know, four 346 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: fifty for one launch, right, but you know we're talking 347 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties dollars when it was mostly in use, right, 348 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know if they factor did you know, 349 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: like developing the film developing got interns to do that right, right, 350 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: they just went to a photo mat um or something, 351 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: and they weren't the only ones doing it, and and uh, 352 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: Corona was not the most um widespread of these sorts 353 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: of programs. Oh yeah, the Russian side had theirs. Their 354 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: own thing is Zenet I think it. I'm not sure 355 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 1: exactly how to pronounce it, but they were doing photo 356 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: reconnaissance in the same way, um, but they were doing 357 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: it a lot more I think. I think their their 358 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: program was a lot more extensive. Yeah, they had over 359 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: five hundred Zenet satellites flown, which makes it to this 360 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: day the most numerous type of satellite in the history 361 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: of space exploration. Yeah, oh yeah, these were launched. Okay, 362 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: so here's here's a weird anecdote that does apply to this. 363 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: So we all know what a tank is, right, Uh? Tank? 364 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: In war, they're called tanks. And the old story goes 365 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: because when they were being shipped around in England or 366 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: around Europe to avoid prying eyes, they were created and 367 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: called water tanks, and so that became the nickname. Going 368 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: to our earlier point about how difficult it would be 369 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: to secretly launched something from space, Uh, these things the 370 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: Russians in the US accepted that the other side would 371 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: notice when they sent something into space, so they labeled 372 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: them as different things or put them in different programs 373 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: so that they seemed like they were accomplishing a different purpose. 374 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: And as as you said, oh yeah, these these were 375 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: probably above top secret level, some kind of compartmentalized need 376 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: to know basis intelligence where you know, imagine that you're 377 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: the president of a country and then some suit comes 378 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: up to you one of your advisors and says, we 379 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: have evidence that shows that we need to, you know, 380 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: invade this country now or send a force here. You 381 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: go why, and they say, we can't tell you, and 382 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: then you go, but I'm the president, and then say 383 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: I know, Mr President. And then eventually you're persuasive enough 384 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: that somebody from uh, you know, the CIA or the 385 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: n s A or some other alphabet agency just sort 386 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: of slides a blurry photograph across across the desk at you. 387 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: And that's how you find out how did you get 388 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: focused on this? So yeah, wait, wait, and the way 389 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: these saddle lights look the zenit programmed satellites. You can 390 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: again go on Wikipedia. You can look at a picture 391 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: of one of these. It looks like a large sphere 392 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: that has some optics kind of and glass pointing out 393 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: of it, and then a little I don't know if 394 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: in this picture that's being shown, if it's just sitting 395 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: on a holder because it is a giant sphere. I 396 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: think that's probably the case. They just put the sphere 397 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: down on a on a base. But I don't know 398 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: if you guys remember the stories coming out a couple 399 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: maybe a month ago about the giant spheres found in Bosnia. 400 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: This is complete tangent here, but giant spheres found in 401 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: there's supposedly these huge stone spheres, and this one guy 402 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: found one, and he's claiming that it's all these different things, 403 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: and there have been numerous explanations about what it is. 404 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: It looks exactly leg a Zenit satellite one that maybe 405 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: just ended up in Bosnia. I don't know. That's interesting 406 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: because you have to wonder what kind of a crazy 407 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: game that that is. The play where they're like, well, 408 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: the satellites coming down, Agent Brown, you have to be 409 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: a Kazakhstan in twelve hours. Yeah, And how the heck 410 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: can you get this giant spear onto a like a 411 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: flatbed truck or something. Oh wow, very carefully, my friend 412 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: very carefully and sadly, I don't I don't know if 413 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: you could make it to kazakh Stan in twelve hours 414 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: from So we're just luck here, all right. So we're 415 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: gonna have to go out to UH to one of 416 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: our other operatives, which is weird because I just hate Darren. 417 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: He's such a He's been slipping. He's Darren has been slipping. 418 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: And if you are listening, Darren, you're fired. Oh sorry, Darren. Wow, 419 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: we just made up Darren and fired him in the 420 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: space of a few minutes. Okay, So we know that 421 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: these programs exist, and these are just a few, just 422 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: to show that multiple kinds of programs have have existed. 423 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: One of the first aims of this was to achieve 424 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: supremacy in the space race, and the first from from 425 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: the first satellite launched by Humankind spot Nick, the U 426 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: S s R and the U S we're trying to 427 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: outdo each other and to get superior surveillance. Corona probably 428 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened as soon as it did had a 429 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: YouTube spy plane up and shot down earlier. And so 430 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: they said, well, we'll just go high on space where 431 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: they can't reach us, and then immediately people began working 432 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: on how to kill how to kill a satellite. So 433 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: the question is, can we from this historical precedent, can 434 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: we say that secret space programs continue today or was 435 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: this just some old war thing. I'm not sure, but 436 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: we'll figure it out right after a quick break. Here's 437 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. There are active secret space programs. Uh. 438 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: Some of us know a little bit about them because 439 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: they're little bits and pieces of details that get leaks 440 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: or that are allowed to be discussed from a pr perspective. 441 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: But the ins and outs of these programs, the actual 442 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: processes that are occurring, or what kind of research is 443 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: being done with these, we won't know probably for fifty years, 444 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: maybe maybe a hundred years, maybe never until they're declassified. 445 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: And we have several examples of these. Yeah. One of 446 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: the biggest examples would be something that is a personal 447 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: off the air obsession for so was in this room, 448 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: and that is the infamous X thirties seven B, which 449 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: is an unmanned spacecraft that has been in orbit as 450 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: you checked this show out, or as we record this, 451 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: at least, it's been in orbit for almost a year 452 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: now on this stent. And what's it doing up there 453 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: because I don't know. Yeah, it was. It was launched 454 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: on the twentie of May of last year, and that 455 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: was its fourth flight. Yeah, the fourth time it's been 456 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: up there. It's still just going around doing who knows what, 457 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: just just hanging out. Probably, I bet you know. It's 458 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: probably just a leisure cruise for the AI system. They're 459 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: trying to get it used to what it will be 460 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: like to be isolated in space, right, That's what it is. 461 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. I spoke with Jonathan about 462 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: this yesterday because he was doing a live Facebook feed 463 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: and he was talking about NASA a bit, and I 464 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: mentioned the X thirties seven B and May and if 465 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: he didn't just throw water so hard on on my 466 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: thoughts that hey, maybe there's something, you know, weird being 467 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: tested up there are some kind of surveillance program that's 468 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: being used with this thing, or maybe uh maybe checking 469 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: the ability to somehow interfere with other satellites. And I 470 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: feel like that's a big thing to me. If people 471 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: are putting money into these programs, there needs to be 472 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: some sort of strategic advantage for doing it, and you know, 473 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: how better to have the upper hand, whether it's you know, 474 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: as a country, as a company, let's say, than to 475 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: be able to mess with other people's satellites, to be 476 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: able to disrupt or have some sort of supremacy, because 477 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: like we said earlier, I mean, we don't police outer 478 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: space in the same way that we police the skies, 479 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, of the world. Yeah, I mean, you know, 480 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: so it's sort of fair game. And we we can't 481 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: have any space wars. We have free these we're not 482 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: allowed to uh have any kind of combat in space, 483 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: at least from from a legal perspective. No country is 484 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: allowed to engage in battle up there. Right. Oh, and 485 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: I want to I want to give a brief thank 486 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: you to someone. I cannot remember who said this, but 487 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: I had. I was talking about either the Dead Hands 488 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: system or something else in a live show and I 489 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: misspoke because I described the Strategic Defense Initiative a k A. 490 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: Star Wars program baron Reagan's administration, and I wasn't clear enough. 491 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: So I want to be clear now, as far as 492 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: we know, it was not actually built. It was only proposed, 493 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: So I do want to be emphatic about that. As 494 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: far as we know, it was never built. That's correct. 495 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: Oh and one last thing we have to remember. The 496 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: X thirty seven b is created by Boeing. Yes, and 497 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: this is another thing to keep in mind when we're 498 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: discussing private companies and governments and programs like NASA and 499 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: the intersection between companies like this where Northrop Grumman or 500 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: Boeing or you know, any of these other corporations they 501 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: get huge contracts from the government to build stuff like 502 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: the X thirty seven b um. So you know, when 503 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: you think about a government institution versus corporation, it's not 504 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: it's not always that binary, right, Yeah, I think that's 505 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: that's a very good point. It is often a false psychotomy. 506 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: So what we're talking about now is the militarization of space, 507 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: and you can see them. You can see the bread 508 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: crumbons begin to disappear in the post Cold World War era. 509 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: So one example of this would be that you're absolutely 510 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: correct now when you say that there are international treaties restricting, 511 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, restricting China, India, Japan, the US, and Russia 512 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: from starting nuclear war in space. Hopefully that's the plan. 513 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: But as far as listening in space or what's called 514 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: a space sensing system, that is still uh, you know, 515 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: that is still occurring, and one example of it would 516 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: be the use of Well they've evolved, right, They've evolved 517 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: since Corona Spy satellites now have stuff like high resolution photography, 518 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: which is called image intelligence where immant. These are all 519 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 1: weird acronyms. Communications eavesdropping or sig iNTS signals intelligence and 520 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: covert communications hum int. What is a one for? What are? What? Gift? 521 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: Are Noel Brown and bembol and texting each other today? 522 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: Shrimp and white wine? That was a great one. Good 523 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: Yeah did you actually were you actually eating shrimp? I 524 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: was drinking? Okay, Well it checks out. So if we 525 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: think about it though, this kind of listening in this 526 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: sort of low earth orbit eavesdropping for lack of a 527 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: better word, is necessary from a state perspective, like you 528 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: want to know who's doing what, especially if you've got 529 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: active enemies, people who are looking to ensure your demise. 530 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: It's probably a good idea and also provides early warning 531 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: and missile launches, detection of nuclear detonation. That's that's probably 532 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: how uh the Great Powers new when India and Podkistan 533 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: conducted nuclear tests. That also gives us to you know, 534 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: that's probably why they learned about the Vella incidents quickly, 535 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: did we do we did an audio podcast on Villa incident. 536 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if we did an audio podcast. The 537 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: incident is an alleged nuclear test by alleged I just 538 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: mean we don't officially know who did it. Do you 539 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: think though, that having these giant corporations like Amazon and SpaceX. 540 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know SpaceX is an exactly a 541 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: giant corporation, but Musk definitely represents, you know, an economic 542 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: force in and of himself. Do you think there's a 543 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: conflict of interest having these private individuals who are out, 544 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, to make a profit enter into this sphere? 545 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: You know, absolutely? Yeah. I mean, for for me, it's 546 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: always a conflict of interest when there's something good as 547 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: the goal, but then profit is the overall motive. Well, 548 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, also it's it's necessary if we look at 549 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: the history of human exploration and expansion after the European way, 550 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: like many of the great Old civilizations right from African 551 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: African continent ancient civilizations to you know, the Middle Kingdom 552 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: or China, they were expanding typically through some sort of 553 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: quests for resources, you know, uh so, and and that 554 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: applies you know, to those European countries as well. I 555 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: My fear is that the that we will be alive 556 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: when the first manned off world colony comes into existence, 557 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: and that it will be run by something much more 558 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: like the dutchy c India Company than a altruistic saved 559 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: the world or saved the species kind of thing. Mars 560 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: banana plantations. Maybe here's something creepy too. Another thing that 561 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: these satellites are used for, of course, is GPS, which listeners. 562 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, you probably used somewhat recently. GPS is 563 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: the stuff man I I I think if any technology 564 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: that exists today that didn't when I was a kid, 565 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: that is by far my favorite. It's a game changer 566 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean in a lot of different scenarios. 567 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: Even if you're if you're like me and can't find 568 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: your way out of a paper bag, that's changed my life. 569 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: The cost of maintaining that system, it's okay. So the system, 570 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: the GPS system, and you know they're they're different ones, 571 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: right like India has the Indian Regional Navigational Satellite System. 572 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: The Global Positioning System UH that was originally designed was 573 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: designed by and is still controlled by UH. Someone who 574 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: will let anyone use it free of charge? Do you 575 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: know who designed and controls it? No? I think you 576 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: do know it's the US Department of Defense, so U 577 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: you know the same kind of like the Google strategy 578 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: ask ask me anything free all you know? Of course 579 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: that's that services free. They're not going to give you 580 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: a GPS phone or Internet connection. Um. So that I 581 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: can imagine that being a thing though in the future, 582 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: and so it you know, it leads people to wonder 583 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: what what happens with this data? You know? Uh? And 584 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: then there's there's the other idea that we just talked 585 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: about net network centric warfare. So using these communication abilities 586 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: to essentially have clarabulance, you know, to to be the 587 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: three of us were in a battle on one side 588 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: or the other, then the people that had sent us 589 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: there would want us to be able to know like, oh, 590 00:37:53,200 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: across the field the that Frederick Conian is prepping a 591 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: and H electromagnetic disruptor or something, you know, and he 592 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: would would. It's so fredrick Onian and right, and we 593 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: know that. Um. We we know that the things like 594 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: the X thirty seven, the unmanned aerial vehicles are reality. 595 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: Doubtlessly there are other countries attempting to do the same thing, 596 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: if not doing it currently. And what one more example 597 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: of an active secret space program, which is happening now 598 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: as we speak. So in early two thousand's, both the 599 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 1: US and China sent some pretty tense, barely veiled, uh, 600 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: barely veiled threats to each other. Uh what what? What 601 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: did they do? So in the early both the US 602 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: and China sent some pretty tense signals, let's say, to 603 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: each other, when they both publicly unveiled their satellite killing technology. Yeah. 604 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: I love that, the idea of satellite killers, but this 605 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: was actually presented as an efficient way to dispose of 606 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: their own aging satellites on both sides, and they actually 607 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: made pretty clear threats against each other. Well yeah, I 608 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: mean it's a perfect veiled threat. Right. Oh our satellite 609 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: is not functioning. Oh look we killed it, and it 610 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: just you know, it's that whole under the table things 611 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: just shows you well, you know, it could have been 612 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,399 Speaker 1: your satellite, yeah wink. And you know in two thousand eight, 613 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: there's another one called Operation Burnt Frost or burn Frost, 614 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: I think it's Burnt Frost. This was one where the U. 615 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: S military destroyed and nonfunctioning U n r O National 616 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: Reconstance Office satellite. UM again, same kind of deal, just 617 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: like here, we're gonna send this missile up and we 618 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: can target a satellite in freaking space. This is clearly 619 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: an example of UM paying lip service to one thing 620 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: and just saying this is a test of capabilities. But 621 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: everybody knew what the rioting on the wall was. Here 622 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: are my muscles, my ability to shoot downside? Yeah, it's 623 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,959 Speaker 1: like someone saying just casually saying, look at this knife. Yeah, yeah, 624 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: look how far I can throw it? And uh, this 625 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: is These are just some examples of things that are 626 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: proven but remain to some degree classified. So where to now, Well, 627 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: now we get into the deep dark areas, the places 628 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 1: where light barely penetrates. We're in the fringe. You guys, 629 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: you're ready for this one. I'm just gonna say one name, 630 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: Gary McKinnon. Oh you know what we're talking about. We're 631 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: talking about hacking NASA. Back in two thousand one, I 632 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: think two thousand two was one. He was actively hacking NASA, 633 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: going through their databases and uh, this gentleman found well, 634 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: he declares that he found some pretty crazy stuff. I 635 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: think early on in an interview that he gave to 636 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: Wired News just a couple of years after and that 637 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: he had done this. I believe it was two thousand six. 638 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: He says, this is a quote. I knew that government 639 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: suppressed anti gravity UFO related technologies, free energy or what 640 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: they call zero point energy. This should not be hidden 641 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: from the public when pensioners can't pay their bills, you know. Okay, 642 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: So this statement alone right here, So you've got a 643 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: person who was personally motivated to go and find these 644 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: things that he believes exists inside NASA servers somewhere. Um, 645 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: he goes in and he thinks that he's found some 646 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: of this stuff. He I think, let's see. He claimed 647 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: to find a manifest that described what we're called non 648 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: terrestrial officers. Yes, and he claimed that he did see 649 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: an image particular of of a craft with technology that 650 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: does not exists, but he wasn't able to get that 651 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: image to then show it to other people, which you know, 652 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: it stinks because you want to believe at any point, 653 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: you want to believe a person at least this is 654 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: this is Matt speaking for himself. I want to believe 655 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: what someone says at all times. But it's very tough 656 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: to take something like that that's so out there, a 657 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: claim that just kind of makes you roll your eyes 658 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: a little bit, even if you want to believe it. 659 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: What do you think, No, it does come off as 660 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: a bit of a stretch. I agree. I mean, you know, 661 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: it's the nature of me. You know, it's like a 662 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: it's like a sticky kind of a slippery slope writing 663 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: that line between skepticism and belief, and you kind of 664 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: have to just find a happy middle ground. And I 665 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: think you do a fine job of that yourself, madam. Well, 666 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: you know one other thing then you have to remember 667 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,919 Speaker 1: this guy is on a fifty six K modem back 668 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: into early two thousand's as he's going through these servers 669 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: and I'm imagining downloading the image because you guys remember 670 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: back then, as the image comes down, it's going one 671 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: or two lines at a time, and just I imagine 672 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: being Gary McKinnon and just seeing this image develop one 673 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: line at a time. Right, what is this? Yeah? What? 674 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: He It's weird because it gets into some technical stuff 675 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: there because he says that he got into Johnson Space 676 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: Centers Building eight, that he remotely access us the terminal 677 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: there and they found a folder that had these photographs 678 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: that were two hundreds or three hundred megabyte images and 679 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 1: the pictures were of cigar shaped craft in orbit. But 680 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,919 Speaker 1: as you say, it was on a dial up. So 681 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: he's he here's his quote. I turned the color down 682 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: to four bit and the screen resolution really really low, 683 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 1: and even then it was still juttering as it came 684 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: onto the screen. But it was whatever came on was 685 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: amazing and culmination of all my efforts. It was a 686 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: picture of something that definitely wasn't man made. But again, 687 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,839 Speaker 1: he's looking at it at four bits of color with 688 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: super low screen resolution just in order to see it right, 689 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: And at that point the image is so degraded, then 690 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,439 Speaker 1: how can you ever tell what it actually is? Well, 691 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: he says he was able to take a screenshot. Where's that? 692 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: You can't find it looking for it right now? Yeah, 693 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking for the screenshot, trying a screenshot of a 694 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,720 Speaker 1: terrible picture. I'll take that a look at His computer 695 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 1: was seized by police during his first rest and no 696 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: two uh So, people say, is the claim to have 697 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: seen evidence of the UFO cover up credible? For bit? 698 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 1: It's tough, um, And you know, at that point would 699 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: that be a what how would you know that was 700 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: not an artist rendition? How would you know that was 701 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: the bona fide article? Yeah, or just some ideas that 702 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: are being thrown around, like imagine some of the meetings 703 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: for development for shows and stuff like that that we 704 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,879 Speaker 1: have here. But that's all internal. You know, it might 705 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: be on one of our hard drives or even on 706 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: a server or something. If we're like on our team, 707 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: the video team will make a sketch up, a mock 708 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: up of what a show might look like or something 709 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: like that. And I can imagine someone at NASSA or 710 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: Goddard mocking up, well, hey, this is what a possible 711 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: spacecraft could look like if we implemented these technologies. I 712 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: can see it. Well. The part of the issue here 713 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: is that he's still fighting extradition. He is in the UK, 714 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: right and he is fighting off Uncle Sam who wants 715 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: to extradidem to the US, and they're going to a 716 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,360 Speaker 1: lot of trouble to get him. They're going to like 717 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: a Sande level, well not a Sange level. As soon 718 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: as a Sande is out of the embassy, he's just 719 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: black bagged, I'm sure. But but what you know, I 720 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: think it's such an interesting case because he went in 721 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: there not for some political or ideological and so much 722 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,879 Speaker 1: as he went in there because he believes that free 723 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: energy is real, that the US government has discovered it 724 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 1: or has somehow created vehicles that can use it, and 725 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: he wanted to prove it to the world. Obviously. Uh, 726 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: he had a great combination of skill and luck when 727 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: it comes to UM online espionage. I think it was 728 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: all because he read a book that had come out 729 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 1: around then about basic hacker codes, like not not codes, 730 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: but codes of conduct, that kind of thing, like how 731 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: to how to view the UM philosophy of being a hacker, 732 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: and he was inspired by it. And you'll see so 733 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: many people online or on the lecture circuit who insists 734 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: that they have proof of secret space programs involving alien 735 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: technology or extraterrestrials themselves, and how cool. Just show me 736 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,919 Speaker 1: the money guys and the spacecraft show. Yeah right, show 737 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: me the saucer the The interesting thing about this, though, 738 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: is that, in a way we've talked about this in 739 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: the past. In a way, many abduction stories, or many 740 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: working with alien stories have tropes that are similar to 741 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,280 Speaker 1: stories from earlier ages, involving things like fairies or change 742 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: lands or elves. And you know, from a folklore perspective, 743 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves, are these stories just echoes 744 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: of earlier stories that have changed their clothes for our 745 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: modern age? Or or yeah, is it real? And as 746 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: it continued happening somehow without universally acknowledged proof. Here's a 747 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: catchy thing about launching as a space shuttle launching spacecraft 748 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: satellite uh an I CBM like an intercontinent continental ballistic 749 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: missile which goes in suborbital flight. Um people will know. 750 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,799 Speaker 1: The average person will only really know if they're close 751 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: enough to see it. The people who will know are 752 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: the people who control the sensory equipment. And there are 753 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,759 Speaker 1: not a whole lot of those people. So if they 754 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,720 Speaker 1: all agree to keep something a secret, I'm not saying 755 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: it's plausible, but I am saying that something can launch 756 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 1: with fewer people knowing than you might expect. And what 757 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: if there is technology that doesn't require a launch like 758 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: that with burning of fuel that could be detected in 759 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: that way? What if the zero point energy thing is real, Ben, 760 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: and it's in a hangar somewhere out in Groom Lake, 761 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: then then we would if that's the case, then we 762 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 1: would go to the economic argument of artificial scarcity, right 763 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: like to maintain a status quo of social inequality and injustice. Uh. 764 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,359 Speaker 1: The powers that be, whatever those powers would be described as, 765 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 1: are conspiring to prevent UH technological advancement past a certain threshold. 766 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: Which is interesting because I remember hearing years and years 767 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: and years ago someone say that um Mayen and Aztec 768 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: civiliz ation was amazingly advanced, yet no one had invented 769 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: the wheel, which seemed to me like utter bunk, you know. 770 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: And I remember as a kid, I formed this entire 771 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory in my head, and I thought, Yeah, every 772 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: time somebody built a wheel, they were sacrificed and killed 773 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,840 Speaker 1: or they ended up abandoned in the jungle or something 774 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: because it was a profane idol of some sort. It 775 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: was like the man was keeping him down. Uh. I 776 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 1: have absolutely no proof whatsoever that or even if that 777 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: story is real, because it still seems highly implausible to me. 778 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: This is something that I just remember thinking of as 779 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: a kid. Well, let's talk about how this zero point 780 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,799 Speaker 1: energy idea came about, because it for me, at least 781 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: from my understanding, it traces it. It's traces its origins 782 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: back to and the Roswell incident when we thought there 783 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: was a there perhaps was probably not though a an 784 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,920 Speaker 1: alien spacecraft of some sort or UFO that crash landed 785 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 1: that used this type of technology that was then you know, 786 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: broken apart and re engineered by by let's say, the 787 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 1: US military. Yeah, that's the idea. Um. I hate to 788 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,720 Speaker 1: be the party pooper in the bunch, and I'm usually 789 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 1: not this person, but it seems like a lot of 790 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: the stuff we found looking into it indicates that it 791 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: was part of Project Mogul. Right, the weather balloons meant 792 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: to sense nuclear detonation on everything that we looked at. 793 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: You're right, that's what That's what I would lean towards 794 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: as the reason that the Roswald crash happened. But you're 795 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,919 Speaker 1: talking about the actual the idea of free energy. Yes, 796 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the origins of this thought process 797 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: of connecting the stuff together, you know, because aliens I 798 00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: have fascinated humans for decades centuries. Yeah, absolutely, And as 799 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 1: our technology has progressed, the way it's changed, as we 800 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: get into microchips, as we get into what was it transistors, 801 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: I forget what the huge leap was in the like 802 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,800 Speaker 1: around that time forty seven, because there there's some pretty 803 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 1: interesting technological leaps that occurred right around that time. But 804 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,279 Speaker 1: you know, is that coincidence? Is that just because our 805 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,800 Speaker 1: technology is at that point? Um, you know, who who's 806 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 1: to say not me? I don't, I don't, I don't know. 807 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: And there's so many other there's so many other secret 808 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: space programs that we could say are alleged to exist, 809 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,319 Speaker 1: like the Black Night satellite, which we looked at in 810 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,440 Speaker 1: the past. Uh. The idea for for extraterrestrials, the idea 811 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: usually takes one of one of three tax like aliens 812 00:52:53,640 --> 00:53:00,879 Speaker 1: exist and are in communication with some elite human lead organization, 813 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,919 Speaker 1: or aliens crashed recently and some elite human organization took 814 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: their stuff, or aliens crashed in the distant past and 815 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 1: the ruins were found and somehow humanity was able to 816 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: put those back together. I think those all make for 817 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: fascinating stories. And I would lose my mind if there 818 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: was proof of it. It would it would be astonished. 819 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,719 Speaker 1: I would be running in the streets around Ponts. I 820 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: would the street that is Ponts. You better look both ways, 821 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 1: I like, I wouldn't care though I'd be like Haliah 822 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,399 Speaker 1: and then you won't be around to see you when 823 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: they come down. And you know, yeah, I don't care. 824 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,759 Speaker 1: I'd hit the greens on the corner, make their presentation. 825 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, their power point power point. What if of 826 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,800 Speaker 1: all the technology that humanity has managed, the mcgever together 827 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 1: on our time here, power point is the most impressive 828 00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: to aliens, not prezy wow, bring up some excelf spreadsheets, 829 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,719 Speaker 1: not anything else about computers, not just power point and 830 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: clip art, clip art. They love clip art. So what 831 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,120 Speaker 1: do we take away from all this, gents? Well, what 832 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,759 Speaker 1: do you think? No, I think and again this is 833 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 1: my opinion. I think it is foolish to assume that 834 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: there are not programs, secret space programs taking place. And 835 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I keep harping on this privatization 836 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,400 Speaker 1: of space travel and what that could mean, But wouldn't 837 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 1: it be possible that these companies have a forward facing 838 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,440 Speaker 1: kind of public wing and then maybe they've got some 839 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: kind of skunk work, see stuff going on behind the scenes. 840 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: You think about the money that goes into some of 841 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: these corporations that are working directly with the government, and 842 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 1: all the while everyone's like rockets. Look at that that 843 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: is so cool, you know, and it's just it's is 844 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: a big wow factor. But you know, there could be 845 00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,880 Speaker 1: other things going on. I don't know, but we did 846 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:06,919 Speaker 1: even mentioned black budgets. Yeah, the government has so much 847 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: secret money. For all the people who are saying, I 848 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: don't know where all where's all that tax money going? Uh, 849 00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: A lot of it is a lot of it is 850 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,120 Speaker 1: secreted away because there have to there have to be 851 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: layers of plausible deniability so that your local representative or 852 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,399 Speaker 1: your senator doesn't know about it, and and many times 853 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 1: they genuinely do not. And all that stuff would likely 854 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 1: be militaristic nature, much much of it would be yet 855 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 1: dirty stuff. And then sometimes you know, in the past, 856 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,719 Speaker 1: at least in the US where we're recording this podcast, 857 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 1: in the past, government agencies have gone rogue against like 858 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: against the law and against the wishes of the rest 859 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 1: of the governments and waged illegal wars or assisted in 860 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: drug trafficking to raise money for specific operations. And I'm 861 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,239 Speaker 1: not saying an entire agency went rogue, I'm just saying factions. 862 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, I think, uh, it could likely 863 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:16,480 Speaker 1: be military nature. What disturbs me the most is the 864 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 1: idea that's somewhere above us, there might be UH satellite 865 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: with nuclear deployment capability. It's possible. You're saying a nuclear 866 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,640 Speaker 1: weapon that could be just in violation of all the treaties, yeah, 867 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 1: or in violation of the more as I should say, 868 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 1: of international law. Um, I think it's I think it 869 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,080 Speaker 1: is possible. I don't know if it's plausible. I have 870 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,840 Speaker 1: absolutely no proof for it. Space death ray episode maybe 871 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: a space death ray episode. None, A bad idea? Why yeah, 872 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,719 Speaker 1: why would you not have a giant active laser up 873 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,120 Speaker 1: there just ready to go. Feel As long as it's 874 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 1: your giant active laser, we're cool. Right, that's the takeaway 875 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: from today us. Before we head out today, we have 876 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:14,839 Speaker 1: time for one more thing. Yes, that's right, shout Out 877 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 1: Corner and we have a guest theme today. I'm feeling 878 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 1: a little bit put to shame by this. Wesley Slover 879 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 1: did a musical tribute to the Shout Out Corner and 880 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 1: it is quite unsettling and kind of love. Yeah, it's 881 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 1: well done. You can follow him at Sono Sanctus on Twitter, 882 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,080 Speaker 1: and if any of you want to put a little 883 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: spin on the Shout Out Corner and make your own 884 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: shout out corner little jingle there. Please send it to us, 885 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,439 Speaker 1: you know we would love to play it and kind 886 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:53,200 Speaker 1: of show it off. And next shout out to kian Ken. 887 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 1: You describe yourself as an irishman living in Minnesota. Ladies 888 00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Keen has recently discovered our show due to 889 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 1: uning injuries. We want to say thank you for the 890 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,000 Speaker 1: kind words. Uh and we heard you want us to 891 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:11,440 Speaker 1: look into Virgin Mary appearances and other supposed miracles. You 892 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: also suggested we dive deeper into alternative medicines, both the 893 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 1: myths and the truths. I like both of those. Yeah, 894 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,560 Speaker 1: we haven't done much on miracles. No, not at all. 895 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,720 Speaker 1: I don't think we have. We we discussed, we've discussed 896 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:31,760 Speaker 1: some prophecies discussed. We discussed some prophecies involving the Catholic Church. 897 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,520 Speaker 1: And the last shoutout goes to someone that we've shouted 898 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:41,080 Speaker 1: at before. Uh, so you're welcome and sorry. Vaults of 899 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: X Tough. This fellow is he makes metal music. He's 900 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: a rapper, he's also a dad. He took some pictures 901 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,240 Speaker 1: for new music projects that he's got coming up, and 902 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: he was wearing one of our knowledge is contagious shirts 903 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: that we created and you can find on our website. 904 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone bought any of those, So thanks Faults. 905 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,400 Speaker 1: And it's really cool to see you. Because he's dude. 906 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: You should see this picture. He's got an awesome looks 907 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,360 Speaker 1: like a leather jacket on. He's got such metal hair 908 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,439 Speaker 1: and facial hair and they just got our shirt. Man, 909 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 1: thanks for wearing that. Yeah, hey, thanks, thanks so much 910 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,000 Speaker 1: for giving you try. We we appreciate it. Uh. And 911 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:30,480 Speaker 1: that concludes today's shout out corner. And he did the 912 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,360 Speaker 1: reverse too. Yeah wow. Uh all right, so we are 913 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,440 Speaker 1: going to head out for today. We hope that you 914 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode. And that's the end of this classic episode. 915 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts or questions about this episode, 916 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 1: you can get into contact with us in a number 917 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,200 Speaker 1: of different ways. One of the best is to give 918 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: us a call. Our number is one eight three three 919 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 1: std w y t K. 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