WEBVTT - Georg Honauer and the Counterfeit Gold 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.400 Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:16.239 partnership with I Heart Radio. George Honauer was a scientist 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:21.040 and an engineer, and maybe also a goldsmith. He was 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.919 definitely a fraudulent alchemist in the service of Frederick, the 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:29.200 first Duke of Wurtenburg, and when he couldn't fulfill the 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.760 sensational promises he had made, he met his end. Welcome 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.040 to Criminalia, where all that glitters is not gold. I'm 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.320 Maria Tremarqui and I'm Holly Fry. George Honaur was born 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:46.360 in fifteventy two, possibly in Ollamook in today's Chechia. This 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.800 was when Maximilian the Second was Holy Roman Emperor and 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.920 the European wars of the Reformation and the Counter Reformation 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:58.000 were raging between Catholics and the growing religion of Protestantism. 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.920 George was moren't just after the High Renaissance, which is 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.560 considered the peak of the Renaissance period. The art world 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.120 of the time was really dominated by three names that 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:11.600 you are absolutely going to recognize, Michelangelo, Raphael and Leonardo 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.319 da Vinci. The Last Supper existed as a painting in 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.399 George's lifetime, as did the Mona Lisa. While George was alive, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.320 Hans Lipacy built the first telescope, and Galileo tried to 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:30.920 explain to everyone such complex concepts as forced inertia and acceleration. Machiavelli, Montaigne, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.800 and Copernicus were all also contributing to the resurgence of 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:40.000 arts and sciences. It was a time when Holy Roman emperors, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.240 including Maximilian the Second and Rudolpho, who both reigned during 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:49.640 George's lifetime, supported and sponsored the practice of alchemy across Europe. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.280 So let's pull back for a bigger picture. The time 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:57.640 period between fifteen hundred and seventeen hundred saw rapid population 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.360 growth across Europe, and at the same time time there 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.840 was also a rapidly growing demand for precious metals, in 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:08.839 particular gold, gold, and silver that had been imported from 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.440 what was then called the New World just were not 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:16.440 enough to satisfy demand. And that's really no surprise. But 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.080 there were two things that could be done. Mine it 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.720 or make it. You can even look as far back 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.440 as Marco Polo, whose expedition traveled through Asia along the 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.880 Silk Road between twelve sev and twelve and the precious 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.360 metals that he found even then were precious, and he 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:41.400 noted from exploring Eastern and Southeastern Asia, including today's China, Japan, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.440 North Korea, South Korea, and Vietnam, that quote, the quantity 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.560 of gold they have is endless, and everybody in Europe 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.720 wanted a piece. About two hundred years later, Christopher Columbus, 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.720 who was an Italian explorer and navigator, completed four voyages 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:03.919 across the Atlantic Ocean. The first famously in Columbus's contract 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.720 with the King and Queen of Spain, fernand the second 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.840 and Isabella the First, stated that in return, he'd be 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.240 granted a noble title and the governorship of any man's 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.240 he should encounter, and he could keep ten percent of 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.880 whatever riches he found. When he encountered the island that 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.400 he called Espaniola, he first claimed it for the Spanish crown. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.240 The island of Espanola is now known, of course, as Hispaniola. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.119 It's made up of present day Haiti and the Dominican Republic, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.440 just so we're all on the same page. But Columbus 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:38.280 then convinced himself it must be the biblical region of Over, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:43.560 famous for its wealth of gold, silver, sandal wood, pearls, ivory, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.840 and my personal favorite peacocks. It was a lush place 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.040 and when Columbus determined there must be gold deposits on 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:56.680 the island, Espaniola's population exploded, and that's because European settlers 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:01.880 increased significantly. The indigenous popula lation was enslaved to search 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.080 for gold. Native population numbers plummeted as they died from 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:10.400 foreign diseases. Likely a lot of smallpox was spread around, 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.880 and they were also just killed by settlers. Columbus explored 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.599 a pretty large area of the Caribbean as well as 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.480 part of the northern coast of South America. He looked 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.440 for gold, silver, jewels, and spices, and at every island 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.160 he arrived at, the first thing he inquired about was 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.679 whether or not there was gold. If there was gold, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.880 he took it. He took every bit he could find. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.920 A Dominican priest, historian, and social reformer named Bartolome de 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.400 las Casas spent many years among the indigenous peoples of 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.640 South America and of the Caribbean people known to the 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.680 Europeans as the Arawak, watching the tragedy of the indigenous 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.760 populations unfold. As Europeans laid waste to pretty much everything 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.599 they saw as they hunted for gold. He could only 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.920 advise with one word, gree, and of course Spain did 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.600 not have a monopoly on greed, although they probably would 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.200 not have turned such a monopoly down. According to de 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.839 las Casas quote, the cause why the Spanish have destroyed 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.640 such an infinity of souls hath been onely that they 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.479 have held it for their last scope and mark to 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.279 get gold. We're going to take a break for a 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.440 word from our sponsor. When we return, we'll talk about 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:29.160 how cost saving transmutation could have been if it had worked. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.760 Welcome back to Criminalia. Mining for gold was not going 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:46.479 to be sustainable, but what about man made gold? No 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.960 matter how the expeditions we mentioned before the break impacted 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.320 the land and people native to those lands, Spain just 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.919 kept going, never appeared to pass up the appeal of 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.760 a golden city. Ferdinand and Isabella bankrolled an other explorer, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.159 and this time it was about fifty years before George's birth. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.880 The adventurer was a man named Francisco Pizarro, who, while 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.560 sailing along the Pacific coast of Columbia, discovered communities with 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.400 what appeared to be abundant amounts of gold and silver. 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:21.640 Pizarro petitioned to become governor, putting himself in control of 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.200 all those potential riches he'd found, and then set out 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.640 to seek treasure in the Incan Empire, where it was 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.680 rumored they used golden pots to hold their golden treasure. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.760 Those indigenous to the lands of the Incan Empire already 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.560 knew what to do with their gold and medals there 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:42.000 had been worked for at least three thousand years before 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:47.240 Pizarro's arrival. There were small gold trinkets and personal adornments 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.359 such as earrings, but over the centuries they began to 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.840 turn gold and silver into works of art, such as 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:57.640 miniature gardens made entirely of gold. Here, though, precious metals 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.880 were restricted to nobility, but Zaro got around that. He 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:06.279 and his men ambushed and captured the emperor Atahualpa. The 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.320 Spaniards did execute him a few months later, an action 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:16.200 that ultimately ended the Incan Empire. No matter where Europeans looked, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.480 mining for medals was not cheap or easy, and in 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.480 many places there were a few dependencies that went along 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.760 with the practice. One of those was the development of 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:30.040 mining techniques. There were adequate ways of accomplishing what had 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.800 worked previously, but people couldn't help but wonder if there 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.120 were any better and faster ideas for extracting the ore 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.480 and refining the metal, And the Europeans certainly thought there 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.080 must be. Mining engineers in South Germany are credited with 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:48.760 contributing European technologies to the America's, in particular, the use 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.400 of a new mercury amalgamation method to extract refined silver 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:57.160 from raw or The method significantly increased the volume of 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.360 silver production from each mine, and that then that led 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:04.640 to silver becoming a major player in the global economy. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.480 The technique became the go to practice in the mid 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:14.240 sixteenth century and beyond. But if you could make precious metals, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.760 you could cut out all of this hassle. The first 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:22.120 lab scientists were alchemists, and for many their primary goal 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.840 was to convert and you'll hear us call that transmutation 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.120 base metals like iron or lead into precious metals like 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.160 gold and silver. And this was not a new idea. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:39.400 Ancient Egyptians, long before George's lifetime, were adept at doubling 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.680 or even tripling the quantity of the metals they produced, 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.160 but it was kind of a fake. They knew, for instance, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.280 that by adding arsenic to copper, you could produce a 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.880 whitish copper that could be passed off as silver. Add 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.679 a small amount of gold dust to something like copper, 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.679 and you'll create a metal that appears to be gold. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.280 In fact, we have a recipe dating back to the 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:06.160 year three hundred. We quote one powder's up gold and 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.680 lead into a powder as finest flower two parts of 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.520 lead for one of gold, and having mixed them, works 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:17.200 them up with gum. One covers a copper ring with 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.600 the mixture, then heats. One repeats several times until the 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.520 object has taken the color. It is difficult to detect 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.880 the fraud, since the touchstone gives the mark of true gold. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:34.440 The heat consumes the lead, but not the gold. We 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:38.600 just talked about alchemy in ancient Egypt during the Hellenistic period. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.240 It was not a European idea, and in fact it 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.839 was practiced by many people for many years before Europeans 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.240 even knew anything about it. Following Ancient Egypt, the focus 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.200 on alchemy shifted as Islam expanded, and it wasn't until 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.160 the twelfth century, when Islamic power began to decline, that 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.840 Arabic manuscripts were translated into Latin, and that's when alchemy 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.160 arrived in Europe, where it was practiced for roughly in 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:10.240 the next five years. The ideas of alchemy and alchemists 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.480 permeated literature across the centuries, where alchemists are often referred 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.720 to as fraudulent or as Charlatan's go way back to 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.400 the Cannon's Yeoman's Tail, which is one of the Canterbury 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.880 Tales written by Jeffrey Chaucer in the late fourteenth century. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.960 It tells the tale of a cannon. Just so we're clear, 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.280 a cannon is a church official who is a practicing, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:36.360 albeit fraudulent alchemist. The tail also discloses a recipe, and 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.120 we're going to read that one as well. The cannon 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:43.360 surreptitiously inserts an ounce of silver into a hollow piece 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.920 of coal, closes the hole with wax, and puts it 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.760 in the furnace. The mercury, which was to have been transmuted, vaporizes, 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.000 while the wax melts and the silver runs out. The 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:01.319 practice of fraudulent alchemists and their sham trans mutations continued 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.240 until the eighteenth century, when chemists were able to demonstrate 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.719 how and why these practices were bogus. We're going to 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.120 take a break for a word from our sponsor, and 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.200 when we return we will finally talk about what all 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.600 this meant for George hone Our, who was executed when 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:29.400 it turned out he could not make gold. Welcome back 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.840 to Criminalia. You thought we were going to talk about 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.200 an alchemist named George hone Our, and you're right, so 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.840 let's do it. You're probably wondering by now, how does 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.720 gold mining on Hispaniola have anything to do with the 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.640 alchemy that George hone Our practiced. And it's really just 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.560 to point out that gold was on everybody's must have lists. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.000 So much effort had gone into acquiring as much gold 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:00.360 as possible by so many powerful people, and while not 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.640 seemed to be a concern to most Europeans, so many 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.439 cultures have been plundered and destroyed in this quest. An 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.280 easier way to amass precious metals would have been welcomed 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.560 by pretty much everybody, and George promised he could make 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.200 gold with just a tincture and without an expedition to 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:25.800 any European colony. Sounds too good to be true, doesn't it. Sure, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.000 George introduced himself to Frederick, the first Duke of Wurteinberg, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.959 first in writing, then in person as Lord Brunhoff and 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:40.880 grub Shots in Moravia, and he claimed to be an alchemist. Intrigued, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.679 the Duke called for George to show him an example 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.520 of his work. George presented one small piece of gold 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.520 and one of silver, and when the Duke's assayers were 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.719 asked if Georgia's transmutations were in fact real, cross your 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.600 fingers past the test. So at least he did well 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.000 enough to move on to the side get round. So 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:08.560 here George seemed like he was maybe legit. However, Frederick 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.120 wasn't about to back a man who couldn't produce more 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:15.120 than a penny sized piece of gold. He needed way 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.160 more than that. Next, he asked George to produce two 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.400 thousand duckets worth of gold from the base metal iron. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.400 There was a bit of haggling. George claimed he only 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.240 had enough of the necessary tincture involved in the process 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.599 to produce thirty thousand duckets worth of gold, but to 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.480 eventually agreed on a production schedule and things moved ahead. 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.040 It took some pretty considerable effort to bring the iron 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.640 from the Duke's armory, which was in muffle guard to 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.559 stood guard for transportation, but it did make the trip, 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:52.000 and that's when things got pretty real for George. The 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.760 iron arrived, he panicked, and so he did the natural thing. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:02.000 He ran away and rest bonds. The Duke had portraits 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:06.280 of George painted like today's wanted posters, except painted by 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:11.120 a portrait artist named jonathan's Ouder. Soon lots of people 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.800 were on the lookout for George, armed with the knowledge 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:18.520 of exactly what he looked like. And these fabulous artistic 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:23.560 wanted posters worked, and once he was captured and returned, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:28.120 they try it again. But George could only change iron 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.840 into well, nothing more than the iron that it began. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.200 As the Duke was unimpressed and displeased, George was put 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.800 on trial and was convicted on the charge of two 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.640 counts of fraud. Why two counts, so there's no surprise 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.680 on this first one. The court considered George's claims as 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.520 an alchemist to be phony, and frankly, I believe we 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.720 all think that. But in addition to that, the court 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.840 also considered his claims of nobility to be counterfeit as well. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.520 He was to be executed by hanging, and Frederick the 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:05.000 First gave the Charlatan a really unusual execution, and it 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.360 was unusual because the Duke planned every single piece of it, 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:13.560 down to the tiniest detail. When your alchemist is unable 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.240 to fulfill his promise of creating as much as two 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.120 tons of gold for you, you walk away from that 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.400 feeling a little vengeful. The gallows were erected on a 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:28.720 stone foundation made from no not gold, but rather the 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.840 two tons of iron George had promised to convert into gold. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.640 It said this special treatment cost the Duke around three 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.800 thousand Dutch guilders, and I imagine though, that he did 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:44.720 not care. No vengeance has no price. George hon Nour 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.440 was executed by order of Duke Frederick the First on 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:52.200 April second. On the day of his execution, George, who 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.960 was only twenty five, was walked dressed in a golden 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:01.120 garment covered entirely with gold tinsel to the scaffold. Again, 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.960 all of these strange details were carried out according to 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.000 the very exacting specifications of Frederick, who was still very 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:13.960 angry about the whole thing. The specially built iron gallows 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.400 remained standing after the execution as a deterrent to others, 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.640 an advertisement of sorts as to what would happen to 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.440 you if you were a so called gold maker and 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:27.920 a swindler. It actually wouldn't be until the nineteenth century 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.880 that the possibility of man made gold was conclusively disproved 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.240 by scientific evidence, But in the meantime, Frederick kept his 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:40.360 fingers crossed. His iron gallows went on to be used, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.800 actually several more times, and it was often also for 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.840 the execution of other unsuccessful gold makers. But when it 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.880 comes to those gold makers, we aren't sure if they 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:59.200 also were forced to wear the goal. So I hear 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.720 that we have a very lovely drink for George's story. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.199 Oh yes, the cauldron is brewing, and something very fascinating 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.080 is happening. It's a little predictable, but not I didn't 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.200 want to be completely predictable. This drink is called the 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:19.560 sham transmutation. It is so delicious. Uh was so convincing 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.840 that I'm like, oh, and I don't mean that facetiously. 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.960 I mean that was the holly voice of convincing. Yeah, 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:29.040 these these maybe things that you're like, do they go together? Oh, 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.320 they do. You're gonna start with an ounce and a 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:36.600 half of vodka, three ounces of ginger beer, three ounces 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.840 of pineapple juice, and you're gonna pour that into like 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.160 a rock's glass and stir it up, and then you're 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.560 gonna float an ounce of gold schlager on the top. 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.359 I knew it was going to hack have golden there somewhere. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.760 It had to, but I was trying to do something 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.960 interesting with it. So obviously gold schlager has gold flake 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:55.800 in it. You want to give it a really good 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.400 shake before you pour out your ounce to use, because 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.240 otherwise the gold flake sits on the bottom and you 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.080 won't get any. And you do ideally want at least 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.520 a few flecks of gold floating on top of this, 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.679 so you can be like, look, it's made of gold, 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:13.040 but it's not. Sorry, I'm laughing because you said something 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.440 along the mines of like, then it looks like gold, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.280 it flits to the bottom and it's not. And all 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.359 I could think of was and so said Frederick the 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.840 first and right, I mean that's exactly the inspiration here, 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.919 is thinking about like those recipes where they're like, no, 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.040 you can just kind of pack it on the outside 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.480 and then melt it together and it'll it will take 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.000 in the color. You can just wrap it in wax. 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:40.080 It'll be fine. Now, this recipe also is a little 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.800 bit of a two fur because there's a bonus version 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.040 of it if you want to kick it up and 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.760 get a little fancier. But as you know, you know, 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.840 it's one of those things where I don't like to 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.479 invoke or use things that are too difficult to find 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.000 or too expensive. And I have used chartreuse in the past, 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:05.120 but there is also yellow chartreuse um, which I added 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.560 like a half to three quarters of an ounce of 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.879 yellow chartreuse before I floated the gold slugger on the 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.679 second version of this, and that just adds like a 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.040 whole different bouquet of things to the whole mix in it. 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.080 It kind of makes it a little bit like the 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.000 ginger beer and pineapple and the chartreuse together all become 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.640 something different. And then what's really nice is that when 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.680 you're sipping, if you floated your slog on the top, 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.960 you get that cinnamon kick when you sip, and then 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.800 there's this weird bouquet that emerges behind it. I just 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.120 I'm in love with this drink. I will say, though, 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.600 something weird happens when you're drinking it, because it's alchemy 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:45.960 sort of. But I don't know that people will like 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.359 this alchemy. Have you ever been in that situation where 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.600 you have a cocktail and you take the first drink 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.080 and you go, wow, that tastes strong, But two or 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.720 three SIPs in you're like, no, not really. You kind 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.560 of get accustomed to it. I had the strange experience 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:09.080 that this went the other way. I have never had 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.159 this experience before in my life. Heaven only knows. It 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.359 could be unique to me and like something else that 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.920 was going on. But like I had the first several 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.080 SIPs and I was like, this is amazing. I truly 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.159 truly do love it. And then like I had, you know, 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.199 I put it down and worked. I was typing and 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.120 I did some sentences and I took a couple more 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.680 SIPs and I was like, this tastes stronger than it did. 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:36.719 Your husband's like I didn't do it. He's like standing 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.679 back there with the bottle of PA. No he was not, 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:41.639 he was not even in the room at the time. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.159 It was a very strange experience. But I loved it, 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.560 just the same for the mock tail. On this one, 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.959 it's pretty easy. You won't we won't involve that char 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.359 true step because it's really hard to replicate your truth. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.520 But this is also a very delicious libation on its own, 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.480 which is obviously you're going to leave out the vodkas. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.400 So if you just do your three ounces of ginger beer, 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.800 you're three ounces of pineapple juice, and then in lieu 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:09.000 of the gold Schlager to get that cinnamon taste, you're 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:13.480 gonna use cinnamon syrup instead. Yeah, here's the thing with 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:15.919 both of these, it's gonna actually be hard to get 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.720 a good float on it because you're gold Schlagger as 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.040 a liquor is heavier than most of the other things. 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:25.080 It's a little more buoyant in the gold slagger version 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.080 than the cinnamon syrup version because it's not quite as 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.520 as thick and the gold flakes will still stay on top. 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.600 But when you do the cinnamon syrup version, you're just 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:35.240 gonna have to mix it in. It's not gonna float 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.439 very well. The other thing is, if anybody is like, 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:40.920 I'm going to go shop for cinnamon syrup, you can, 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.480 But if it's hard to find. It's easy to make. 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:47.160 You can like boil four or five sticks of cinnamon 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.200 with two cups of water on your stove, pull out 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:51.960 the cinnamon sticks, and then add a cup and a 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.480 half to two cups of sugar. You get great cinnamon syrup. 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.160 It's fabulous. All of these syrups are always so so 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:00.119 easy to make, and I never think about it, but 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.239 it's always so difficult for me to find even some 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.919 of the alcohols that have really taken to just making 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:10.000 the syrups. They're so fast. And also that's a handy 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:11.640 thing to be able to make and have on hand 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.800 because you can add it to you like you can 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.680 use that in lieu of maple syrup on breakfast things. 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:18.879 You can add it to other drinks. I like a 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.920 little bit added to just a regular diet coke once 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:25.600 in a while, all kinds of yummyness. Highly recommend making 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.000 your own syrup, and I hope that you enjoy the 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:31.560 sham transmutation if you try it. It's a fun one. 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.040 It combines things that like they go together perfectly fine. 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:36.640 But I don't often think like I want to put 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.720 cinnamon in my pineapple, but it works perfectly right, when 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.440 you start out and you've got vodka, ginger beer, pineapple, 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.600 you're like, yeah, I see where this is going. And 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:49.440 then it doesn't go there, totally different places because because 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:59.080 it transmutation. Yeah, yes, totally got it. So yummy. We 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:00.760 hope you try it, and if you do, we hope 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.480 you love it. 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