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Speaker 2: I feel so grateful of our sisters and brothers and

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Speaker 2: awesome humans before us that let us hear.

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Speaker 1: All of the nibblings who have laid the groundwork for us.

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Speaker 1: The Niecks is all, and next Views and next Views

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Speaker 1: outspoken network on iHeartRadio, which reaches sixty eight percent of

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Speaker 2: Radio is one of the most queer forms of media

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Speaker 2: if you think about it, so true historically going back

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Speaker 2: to radio plays when men would play women. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: would say radio is the non binary of media.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there are no binaries here, not one.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Pride Monthly, Welcome to.

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Speaker 1: Prime month Club. Kids. We're so proud. I've never been

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Speaker 1: more prime.

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Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you for listening. However, you identify to.

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Speaker 1: Be a member of the LGBTQA plus community. In twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four is a radical act.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, as the author of our book, who we will

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Speaker 2: soon reveal at a queer pace. So slowly they say LGBTQ,

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Speaker 2: They put a ban a gay in there.

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Speaker 1: I think he actually identifies as he now. Well, according

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Speaker 1: to the book, the book is actually quite oldly and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but gender is fluid.

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Speaker 2: No, gender is absolutely fluid. Okay, before we get started,

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Speaker 2: let's find out what our author Rex identifies as so

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Speaker 1: if you look on his Insta and he's just like,

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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to help you understand, because it's Pride Monthly,

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Speaker 1: Right again, so the rigidity is actually coming from you

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Speaker 1: And I want you to come from a place of evolution.

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Speaker 2: Bride month wouldn't be anything without the person we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Nico I think thinks he's famous is I think he

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Speaker 1: It's completely It's just like I know that I'm actually

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Speaker 2: Like I'm the biggest fucking trailblazer in the entire world.

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Speaker 1: I mean the very beginning, he goes, whether you found

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Speaker 1: with you with your imagination. You are the life the conduit.

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Speaker 1: No matter the reaction, Thank you again. I love you.

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Speaker 1: Or Hollywood's career. Really, it's really just like his sexual

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Speaker 1: But Bethany, as he calls to my wife, my husband,

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Speaker 2: Bethany who is identifying as a lesbian currently in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then looking and then the uncle's planting a

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Speaker 1: And the palm tree falls on him and he breaks

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Speaker 2: He didn't want to show his weakness. Yeah, and the queerness.

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Speaker 1: But just to wrap up the art loop, So he's

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Speaker 2: You ever heard of? The movie twelve No?

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Speaker 1: And it's with all these young kids and there's actually

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Speaker 1: And he gets in this threttle and I do kind

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Speaker 1: I've heard that Trace Crawford does go to events, pink

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Speaker 1: with one starlet. This was my first real polyamorous situationship.

440
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: We would spend days in her apartment and Soho writing poetry,

441
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: blasting music, making short films, and just being free. She

442
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: went out of town one weekend and he and I

443
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 1: stayed at my apartment for two days, painting hot air

444
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: balloons and romantic verse on this door we had found

445
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: in the street in the East Village. When she got

446
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: back in town. It was pouring, ran outside, and he

447
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: and I wrapped the door in garbage bags and walked

448
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: to her apartment to surprise her with it as a present.

449
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: Fucking magic, okay, and guessing who the girl in this?

450
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: I think it is Zoe Kravitz. Yeah, because I'm like

451
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: writing poetry and blasting music.

452
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: And also soho. She's so soft and soho for like six.

453
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: Weeks and leaving him being like, you can do whatever

454
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: the fuck you want, Ohndred. But then she comes back

455
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: and it's actually really pissed and doesn't remember that.

456
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: She says that that's the start of also her like

457
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: secret evil bisexual.

458
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: Art, and then more art when he gets his own

459
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: loft and five eye. I bought some eight foot tall

460
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: wooden fence and from home depot and split the space

461
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: into three large rooms, two bedrooms in a sprawling living room,

462
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: and painted the apartment in bright colors and geometric patterns.

463
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: This was my first real New York loft, and I

464
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: was gonna make it a gallery. I hung artwork all

465
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: around the apartment, overlapping pieces at odd angles, as if

466
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: they had just fallen from an earthquake in heaven or

467
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: rather the underworld highly curated, highly imagine, highly free, like.

468
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: The most fucking psychotic ugly apartment. It sounds like mao Wolf,

469
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: doesn't that like the interactive art installation?

470
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Speaker 2: I know a former CEO of mal former CEO.

471
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Speaker 1: Yes, characters share.

472
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: My sister's close friends. Oh listener of the pod. Good

473
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: for that?

474
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we love We think it's so interesting and

475
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: it's really cool the kind of immersive experiences that you

476
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: guys created over it.

477
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: But really Nico is very like in turn Wolf.

478
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean his whole athetic because it's all triangles and

479
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: I want and.

480
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: Bright colors and mecca and again religious and this is

481
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: like sleeve no more plus me I will plus like

482
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: movie about performance art when he gets sober and he

483
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: starts making big paintings and he jerks off on all

484
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: the paintings and uses his com as a varnish.

485
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: He's just so housive. Yes, which is this that's ultimately

486
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: us space in Bushwick. That's so just like all these

487
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: guys who are like such realtors, Like.

488
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: It's a key they realtors where it's like Nico's gender.

489
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: And I did look actually in this recent People article

490
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: and in the written form so on People dot com.

491
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: He prefers he.

492
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: Him on people dot Com.

493
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: Well, and that's a thing straight publication.

494
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: And gender is fluid, and sometimes when you're flowing into

495
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: people dot Com, you're he.

496
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: I just feel like the patriarchy, the people dot Com

497
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: is forcing him and to heed him. And this is

498
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: an article about his new of course children's book, which

499
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: we'll be doing. All of vet is you, olivet.

500
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: Oh, not all of it is you.

501
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: No, it's about I think a girl name Yeah, Okay.

502
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: He's really trying to like brand himself as having this

503
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: phrase all of it is you and this is his

504
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: just like this faces that are coming out, all of

505
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: it is you.

506
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: And that's like about self acceptance. And I was wondering

507
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: about come be as someone who went to art school.

508
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, were there are a lot of guys doing the common paintings.

509
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: I was surprised that no, but maybe if I continued

510
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: on the painting major, I would see that more. Like

511
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: I remember a guy like definitely like shitting in a

512
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: box in our dorm. We had like the top floor

513
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: was the studio, and a guy like shitt in a

514
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 2: box as his art. Yeah, and then was like asking

515
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: people to come over and be like come over and

516
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 2: check this out.

517
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: Up.

518
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is now passed, so that.

519
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: Is okay, Lily, that's really fucked up.

520
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: I'm just saying the truth.

521
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: You're making fun of the dead.

522
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 2: I'm not making fun of the dead. I'm literally just

523
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: saying art that was made by someone who's dead, which

524
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: is very cool artist.

525
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: No, that's true cool artists. We talked about Picasso, Yeah,

526
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: I mean shitting the box is now more interesting than

527
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: rather exactly because he died.

528
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: And then I remember a guy did make like a

529
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: sixteen millimeter film of like him sucking his girlfriend. Okay,

530
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: but others, And I remember my teacher was so just like,

531
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: this is actually boring.

532
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: And that was so shocking. Yes, the first time you

533
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: heard someone call sex boring.

534
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: And was like, you think if you just film yourself

535
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: having sex and black and white, that's art.

536
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: Wow.

537
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: I was like no, and he was like so sh shamed.

538
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. Did you guys all watch it?

539
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

540
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: Could you see penetration?

541
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was missionary guy on top.

542
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: Okay, you saw a lot of ass. Okay, oh, so

543
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: you weren't seeing like the actual like side view of

544
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: the dick going down.

545
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 2: No more ass thrusting? Yeah, girl, spread legs.

546
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like that's not as maybe bold as no.

547
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: I think he probably could have gone bolder.

548
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean Andy Warhol famously has this video that's like

549
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: a guy getting a blowjob, but you don't see.

550
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: You see just like the face, right, Yeah, it's.

551
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Like him getting it, but you don't see the actual

552
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: blow portion.

553
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: And it's like just Nico is the most art school

554
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: person on earth because it's just like him being like, yeah,

555
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: I came on a collage, I made my Calabasas home.

556
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: He doesn't actually go to art schools. It's like the

557
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: art is so.

558
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: Well you went to Flemia College, which isn't art school, okay, right,

559
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: but like so recognize that.

560
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: I guess it would be like more art school if

561
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: he were like, yeah, I'm making these paintings right now,

562
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: and like it's taking me like nine months and I'm

563
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: being such an alcoholic about it and like but then

564
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: maybe you're finally seeing them. But like, I feel like

565
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: it's not so art school to be like I'm moving

566
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: to a lot and immediately hanging like upside down like

567
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: red canvases everywhere.

568
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: Well, at least that's just the only thing I'll give

569
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: him is just that like he actually isn't trying to

570
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: have a gallery showever of his like art.

571
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's looked at that people article

572
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more. He probably does have an art

573
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: show that's just like it's actually like an installation in

574
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: a yoga studio because he's so the global yoga community

575
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: and top onun.

576
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: And he does this thing where he assumes we all

577
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: know what Bethany's Jim that she teaches at is named,

578
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: like he's always He.

579
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, her workout career was like really taking off, and.

580
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: He was like, we weren't together at the time, but

581
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: we had this rule where if one of us called

582
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: two times in a row, we had to pick up.

583
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: The two call rules just kind of us. It is

584
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: of us, And no, I was like, I guess that's beautiful,

585
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: and like, who do you have the two phone call rule? Right?

586
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: Just like you know, even if you haven't spoken for years.

587
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Right, if you war dial as we call it, community,

588
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: like you're picking up. I feel like I have a

589
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: two phone call rule with like maybe a lot of people.

590
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of a lot of people, really damn. Okay, Yeah, he's.

591
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: Kind of an international signal meaning like, Okay, this is

592
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: important if I'm calling again.

593
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: So Hiven Bethany. They break up. He dates this older woman, Jamie,

594
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: as he's starting to become an actor, and then with

595
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: Jamie that's when he gets into ass play.

596
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: That's before he meets Red on The New Mexico.

597
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: Yes, it kind of preps his more gay interaction. So

598
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: he's like Jamie, who is like older and like also

599
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: an actress, was like, Jamie was really into oil pulling,

600
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: so how coeer is this? They kept a huge jug

601
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: of coconut oil by their bed, and he was like,

602
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: we just had this fucking cosmic relationship. We even like

603
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: kiss for the first time. For our first year. We

604
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: just slept in the same bed, drinking wine, having conversations.

605
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 2: And then one night she's he sticks a spoon up

606
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: his ass.

607
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like it was a spoon.

608
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm so weird and he's like, not the main side

609
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: of the spoon, you sickos. And then it's like, actually,

610
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: sorry for king shaming anyone who does like stick up

611
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: the like spoon, end up your ass, do whatever you

612
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: want on some humans.

613
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of triggering for me.

614
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: Have you spooned?

615
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: No, but I did put another object of my ass once.

616
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: I won't pry it was. That's actually like clothes cap on.

617
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: Got fun it. I put it inside of a condom.

618
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Safety first, remember this pride. We can't have pride if

619
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: we are not safe.

620
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: But then it kind of like went like all the

621
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: way up in. Yeah, like you lost it. I lost it.

622
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: Okay, boom stick down, boot stick down. Wait, this is

623
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: so jackass, dude, let's put glue up your ass.

624
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: That's very jackass. And then I kind of had to

625
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: like root around in there and it was like it

626
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: was not easy to get it back out. But luckily

627
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: the condom was gave me something.

628
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: To grab pull on. Yea, it was. And I will

629
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: say it, that's experimentation.

630
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: I had already had sex with me. I don't know

631
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: what I was really hoping for.

632
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: I was you were just playing and queer.

633
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: I was exploring.

634
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: Glue is queer because horses, Yeah, and horses one of

635
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: them more queer animals.

636
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

637
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: Hello, they sleeping, standing up.

638
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: Enjoying water but not wanting to get like two into it.

639
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: I feel like that's very horse. It's like they don't

640
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: want to like swim, but they do want to kind

641
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: of frolic in the waves.

642
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: Right, and horses like are tops, but do get roade?

643
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Wow, do you think about the queer taxonomy?

644
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: Like even though like if you're you know, an amazing

645
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: rider jockey, you have the commands.

646
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, right, the horse is

647
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: the top. The horse is the top, and you're the

648
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: jockey is such a bossy bottom, right, So that sort

649
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: of paves the way for his anal experience. Then he

650
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: falls in love with this guy on this set of

651
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: another movie no One's seen in New.

652
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: Mexico, in New Mexico, and like, oh, it's a Joel

653
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: Shoemaker film, right, and he's amazing.

654
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Way of it was a supernatural thriller called Odd Thomas.

655
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: We all know this, like twenty eleven hit Odd Thomas.

656
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: Oh classic, Oh my god, Opening Night you have the

657
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: Blue Red.

658
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: What I do think is maybe interesting most career is

659
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: there's a slight timing issue where it's like his career

660
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: started kind of after like the end of real Hollywood,

661
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, the end of like the

662
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: Romcome era and like Blockbusters and like the start of

663
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: just like things only being either Marvel or like, yes,

664
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: a Netflix show that's like known as Seen. It's like

665
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: the start of like the streaming world of everything being

666
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: so diffused and so like the world for actual TV

667
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: shows and movies in the early twenty tens is kind

668
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: of like so dead and there isn't really like well, and.

669
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: I would say also he caught the tail end of

670
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: I think like c W shows.

671
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: That was already the like fifth least watch network.

672
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 2: But The Beautiful Life was like his big breakout stars

673
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: quote unquote. He's always like, yeah, so I'm a white

674
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: CISK guy with a symmetrical face and is like basically

675
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: calling himself like beautiful.

676
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

677
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: And The Beautiful Life starring Misha Barton and Sarah Paxton, Okay,

678
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: Sarah Pataxton, famous star Sarah Paxton who ends up dating.

679
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: But it's like he missed being on like VOC or

680
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: even like yeah, I guess he could have been on

681
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: like Riverdale maybe.

682
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you'd like come of age now, like

683
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: maybe he could be on like seven seasons of whatever

684
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: like Game of Prones or something that people like. But

685
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: but this.

686
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: Medium, whether he was like right, a cwten star or

687
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: like in an action movie, yeah, it doesn't also seem

688
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: in this book that he really like cares even though

689
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: he really wants to be an actor.

690
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't feel like.

691
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: There's this point where his hair is like one dread

692
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, I had super problematic dreadlocks, but

693
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: continues to get dreadlocks altered throughout the book, and then

694
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: his managers are like, you actually need to stop looking

695
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: like so nasty and white heavy, and.

696
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: Then she just the hold thing about her hair is

697
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: long and it's feminine and he needs to have short hair.

698
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: That was the first time he was like put in

699
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: the closet was when he was told to cut his

700
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: long hair.

701
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to go back in the closet for

702
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: the eighteenth time.

703
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: It's like when iHeart told you you had to dye

704
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: your hair blonde to stay on the Outspoken network.

705
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: It was really hard, but I was like fine, Like

706
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: all I wanted to do is be in the closet

707
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: my whole life. I'm forced to million myself in the

708
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: Outspoken work every week. So he starts dating this guy. Oh,

709
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: he's like, first of all, we both sleep with other

710
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: women on set. Then we start dating each other, like

711
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: because we finally fall in love, and they FaceTime the girls.

712
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: They used to date while they're like in bed together

713
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: on this like New Mexican road trip post shooting as.

714
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 2: This kind of closeted thing, and he's.

715
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: Like they were actually totally chill with it, but like

716
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: also thought it was weird, and I'm like, that's just

717
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: so toxic to me.

718
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: There are so many toxic moments where he's not living

719
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: on too probably like how toxic he is, He'll be

720
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: like Bethany actually was pretty pissed at me that, like

721
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: I didn't tell her I was sleeping in the same

722
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: bed as Jamie. Jamie actually was pretty mad at me

723
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: that I didn't tell her Bethany was moving to LA.

724
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: The girls were actually kind of mad that I was

725
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: with Red on this road trip. And it's like you

726
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: are just being like a dick, And it's like this

727
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: whole point is him being like Polly and deconstruction relationships.

728
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: But it's like, I mean again, and this is the

729
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: thing where I'm like all the language around polyamory is

730
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: only just like how can I.

731
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: Get away with everything and then blame you being mad

732
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: at me?

733
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Right? And I waged my own guilt in the process,

734
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: and then take accountability by talking about.

735
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 2: It A Lee endlessly for hours. And this is part

736
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: where he's like, Bethany can't tell me what to do

737
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: with my body because that's the patriarchy. But then like

738
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: he's telling Bethany that it's the patriarchy for her being

739
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 2: mad at him, which is like goss like boots.

740
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: Okayat But I want to get to this description of botomy.

741
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: And by the way, I was blasting that at full

742
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: volume in my cars. I was driving through a torrential

743
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: down Poor yesterday and they could hardly hear it, and

744
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: I was like volume up to sixty, okay go.

745
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: I told him I wanted to bottom for him. I'd

746
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: never done that before, and I was scared, but I

747
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: also wanted to be vulnerable with him. Something in me

748
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: needed this. It's like, yeah, that I'd never had anyone

749
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: inside me before. Inside is italicized in the text, by

750
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: the way. And when I let Red do this, I

751
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: felt like I understood something I hadn't known for the

752
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: kind of trust it takes, the openness it takes to

753
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: bring someone else inside of you. It's just like yes,

754
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: the openness, It's like yeah, Literally, it was a breaking

755
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: open for me, a kind of sacred stillness that came

756
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: in after it was over. I was aware of my

757
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: vulnerability of my own body. You know how it's acceptable

758
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: or more acceptable for men to have sex with other

759
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: men as long as they maintain the position of dominance

760
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: of only toppying, never being entered. How men who bottom

761
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: are looked down upon. I think part of that reason

762
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: for this is that the act does upend what it

763
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: means to be a man. To bottom, you have to

764
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: admit your vulnerability, to welcome it, to give up control.

765
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: And it changed me, made me feel another part of myself.

766
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: We're taught in sexual education that men have a penis

767
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: to insert, but what we're not taught is the sacred

768
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: power of our prostinate. So let's talk about the prostate.

769
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: Y'all. Y'all see this book. Drink every time they say.

770
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Y'all, it just get this walnut size glan is located

771
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: inside the rectum. It's just a protect sperm, say misogenes.

772
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: Stimulation can be both exciting and beneficial to one's health. Now,

773
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: it's just very like.

774
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: Ourselves, like whoa, whoa, whoa hold on. It seems like

775
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: in our society masculinity is favored over being the bottom.

776
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: It's so burning made because he's so.

777
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: Like having these realization.

778
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: Long hair who are all like, we're actually protecting our

779
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: sacred seed together. And that's why doing like an insane

780
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: circle jerk where we're all wearing leather necklaces and beads,

781
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: the patriarchs fighting the patriarchy, and we all have like

782
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: Chinese character tattoos that were taking accountability for being problematic

783
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: while getting more because he.

784
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Was like, my mom, who's fucking hilarious but really problematic,

785
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: took me to get a Chinese tattoo, and then he

786
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: covers it up with like a cross made of typewriter letters.

787
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Well, and then you see when he goes awask a

788
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: Brew and he's just like and actually, Ian, the guy

789
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: who was Dat at the time, opened my eyes to

790
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: how problematic it is for SISS pass.

791
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: Pass white passing, white.

792
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: Passing privileged, beautiful, symmetrical, hot, rich actors to go to Peru.

793
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: And I'm going to go back, and that's a really

794
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: important conversation to have. But nonetheless, here I am in

795
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: Peru and.

796
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: He's like, and here I was with my with my

797
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: she they lover, and how much like we had an

798
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: amazing time on Aya and he's like we'll cover maybe

799
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: that at another time. Speaking of his style, this part

800
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: of when he's discovering kind of his fluidity. I bought

801
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: an antique sewing machine from the late eighteen hundreds, one

802
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: of those heavy duty steel singers that was strong enough

803
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: to punch through leather. I was making these incredible recycled

804
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: animal skin saddle bags with intricate embroidery and repurpose crystal jewelry.

805
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: In the months before the pilot, tute I made tons

806
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: of trickets to wear his ornamental armor bags and fast

807
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: and necklaces, all with personal signa trick very much curing

808
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: the Nico torturella. Everyone's going to meet. This is right

809
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 2: before the beautiful life. So it's like bottoms once makes

810
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: saddle bags. But then also it's becoming so burning man

811
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: because of course it has to be on an eighteen

812
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: hundred sewing machine.

813
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like burning them now is very just

814
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: like you're ordering your like Sanskrit off Amazon.

815
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: It's very like sheen Amazon based. The other thing about

816
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: him being toxic is we like learn about his kind

817
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: of addiction and like because he'll be like h Ashton

818
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: Kutcher like yelled at me for doing coke.

819
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: At the Boom Boom room. Right. That is very Ashton though,

820
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: to be like, dude, what the fuck, dude?

821
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: Not cool, dude, this is your fucking career. If you

822
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: want to blow it all up your nose, fine with me,

823
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: but not on my watch.

824
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Like you could be the next me.

825
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you could star in the sequel to Twelve Brothers. Meanwhile,

826
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 2: Demi is like.

827
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Od ing on twelve in the other room, and he's

828
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: just like, not cool, dude. I have to go to

829
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: like a zoom meeting for one of my several startups

830
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: about stopping child trafficking.

831
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: It seems like his addiction though. He's always peeing everywhere,

832
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: which is the thing that other theme.

833
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he pees in like his mom's plant, and then

834
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: when him and best one night after he sleeps with

835
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: his stepdad's coworker.

836
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, his parents moved to Calabasas and they have this

837
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: like big party and basically he's still in this closet

838
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: relationship with Red co star of the famous movie twelve.

839
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: No No No co star of Thomas.

840
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: Sorry, I get mixed up with my favorite movies and

841
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: to prove to his family that he's straight. And this

842
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: is what the patriarchy will do to you. He sleeps

843
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: with his step father's.

844
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: Coatworker Walred is there, which is so fucked up, and

845
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: I guess he's like chucking it from actually because of

846
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: the patriarchy that I did this, that I like cheated

847
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: on my boyfriend in front of him.

848
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: And like pissed all over my mother's house and like

849
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: broke all of her pool fences. And also of course

850
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: he has like ten tiny puppies throughout this entire.

851
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: Time, Like our family of six was so beautiful me Jamie,

852
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: our pubs.

853
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: Like there was pea pets everywhere, and it's like, is

854
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: it the patriarchy?

855
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: And this was okay? Also so queer when he talks

856
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: about the house he bought where he buys the tortoise, Oh,

857
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: and it gives away returns it for a Boa constructor.

858
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: And I'm just like the amount of pets being re

859
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: homed casually, Oh, Lena.

860
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: Dumham to the boot, I like where And he's like,

861
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: I was actually afraid of achers and boa constricers are queer,

862
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: and so to get into my demisexual iness, I had

863
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: to conquer the fear of boas.

864
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: That was so I'm afraid of boas so I have

865
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: to buy one, but we'll have to like throw away

866
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: my tortoise, Like.

867
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, just trash the tortoise. Stump it.

868
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Well. He is actually a villain, like full villain.

869
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: Completely insane villain and kind of Yeah, the climax of

870
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: this book, besides the ayahuasca and like marrying Bethany at

871
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: a fucking beautiful city hall like ceremony after I feel

872
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: like Bethany like d lesbians. Yeah, basically he's the man,

873
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: and he's like we had been deconstructing Bethany's lesbians for

874
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: quite some time.

875
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I Mean there's this scene where it's like they go

876
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: to dinner and it's him and Gabriel, the rich like

877
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: mysterious Central American guy.

878
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: And Bethany and her found at the.

879
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: Time, and he's like, it was so fucking crazy because

880
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: even though I was like the feminine one in my

881
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: relationship with Gabriel, I was on a past skill and

882
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: role in my relationship with beth.

883
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: What.

884
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my mind's being blown. You're top with

885
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: your girlfriend, but at bottom with your like huge rich

886
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: Latin white friend.

887
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: And he's like, and Bethany was the top with her girlfriend,

888
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, Bethany was just being so

889
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 2: half shaved, tatted and like had just a slightly more

890
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: femin half shaved.

891
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: But then it's like, as the book is on, like

892
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: he's becoming this like famous gender fluid person in his eyes, in.

893
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: His eyes except for like this awesome trans family performance

894
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 2: artist like breaks down, like how fucking white he is.

895
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: And he cries and is like thank you for taking

896
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: me in and.

897
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: And he's being like, I haven't cried that much since

898
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: seeing Rent the musical.

899
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: This is like when he starts to think he's really

900
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: starting making in the queer world. In the early half

901
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen, I was doing tons of cover stories

902
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: that interviews in queer magazines like four two nine, Alexa,

903
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Gay Times, John all capitals with an accent on the

904
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: O and paper, Holy shit, you were in the cover

905
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: of four two nine and Alexa.

906
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: My friend Christian Siriano dressed me in this asymmetrical electric

907
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: green zebra print suit, jacket and skirt. In my opening monogue.

908
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: This is at the gladiwords my opening monologue, I said, hey,

909
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: guess what we made it to Earth. We have no

910
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: idea why we're really here, but we have bodies, We

911
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: have minds. We have spirits, we have laughter and rainbows

912
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: every color of the spectrum. We have community. We have

913
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: our elders that pave the way. We have our youth

914
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: who are rewriting what it means to be queer. And

915
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 2: now we have each other.

916
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: Period.

917
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 2: And then the following night, I wore a strapless black

918
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: and white billowy sleeve cottail gown to the glad Awards

919
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: and Bethany wore a classic masculine suit. Period genderfu great period.

920
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: It's like, I think women have been wearing suits for

921
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: a while now, Marlina Dietrich anyone. Yeah, but he's like, no,

922
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: I wore a pirate shirt and my wife wore a suit,

923
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: So handle that, bitches.

924
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: And then he invited to be the keynote speaker at

925
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: her conference, Her the app. I don't know why it's

926
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: called the Her Conference, but it's about like me too

927
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: and like women in the industry, and Bethany's really pissed.

928
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: Then he gets asked to speak at the her conference.

929
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: Oh, because like, how.

930
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: Dare the her conference invite you to speak, let alone keynote?

931
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: But then he taxes performance are queer? They friend a

932
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: locke who says, yes, you should do this, they will

933
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: get I gets so important to occupy these women's spaces.

934
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: They're like, take over the women's spaces, and.

935
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: That he does, that's how great.

936
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: Sting my non binary friend being like, hey, do you

937
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: think it's okay for me to take over a space?

938
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: And they're like.

939
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, don't listen to your bidg as wife segment.

940
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: What does she eat?

941
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: What does she wear?

942
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: How does she live?

943
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: How does she live? Fucking collages everywhere, geometric shapes, peapads everywhere.

944
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Like the Chaos, the queer.

945
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 2: Chaos, antlers, painted antlers.

946
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: And it's religious and it's mural.

947
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: And it's more Muslim rugs.

948
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: Are and it's just like so crystal girl, and there's

949
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: crystals and there's plants, and there's so much hanging rope everywhere,

950
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: and their sex swing is like in the living room.

951
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: And there's also Guido fabulousness from his grandmother's antique store.

952
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: It's just the most like chaotic mix of disgusting aesthetics

953
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: that you can mad to know in one place.

954
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: And then I feel like the kitchen is just so.

955
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: Normal hashtag normal kitchen.

956
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: What is he? They wear fucking everything from flat brims

957
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: to pirate charts.

958
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: I feel like his dad's style now it is the

959
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: most normal, like a soft henly beanie, like thin necklace

960
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: with like maybe not a bullet, but maybe yes a

961
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: bullet because it's like reclaiming the patriarchy or something.

962
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: And he has like huge tattoos that I feel like

963
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 2: are very Chicago, where it's a huge portrait of his grandmother,

964
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: huge portrait of his dad.

965
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, portrait of a dog, his brother's name, typewriter.

966
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 2: As a cross. But yeah, then it is just like

967
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: skinny jeans, aloe running sneakers. But then it is like.

968
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: A beanie is at where it's almost floating. It's so bad.

969
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: It's like you're like, how does gravity work that way?

970
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: And then it is like probably a shared a costume

971
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: closet with Bethany, with all their freakery.

972
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: They can explore gender in different ways.

973
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it will be just like a leather jacket

974
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: and he's like put this on, you look like a

975
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: fucking badass, and then like legging bejeweled.

976
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: Stuff, thongs, but like mostlys but yeah, Monday through Friday,

977
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Banobo's Sundays are for the pirate shirts. What do they eat? Well?

978
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 2: Like he was raw for a while and I feel

979
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: like now he's not fully raw, but it is pretty

980
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: like Bootable.

981
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: Well, he traces like his relationship with raw dieting to

982
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: like when he's neglecting his relationships and stuff, and he's like,

983
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: I'd fallen off the raw wagon, right, I like, so

984
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: like I'm a Cali sober daddy and I only do

985
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: like ayahuasca with my daughter.

986
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: Like and of course you so Cali sar being like, yeah,

987
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: am I sober from alcohol? Absolutely? Do I still smoke weed? Absolutely?

988
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: Do I still do ayahuasca? Absolutely? We all have her

989
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: own journey in that journey is queer.

990
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: But he's not putting Molly up his ass. That's like

991
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: Mom's house anymore.

992
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: No, I don't know if he's oil pulling, but yeah,

993
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: I think he's just like salmon Bootable.

994
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: So it's not totally wrong that salmon's roasted.

995
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: I think the salmon's roasted. And we've like because then

996
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: he's always talking about like Bethany's eating disorder.

997
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: For their issues, we're gonna have to get anything.

998
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: That's a whole other book, and like working for the

999
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,959
Speaker 2: Mega Formation gym again what it's just like.

1000
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: They're always like two minutes away from joining an actual cult.

1001
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: The whole entire time. When he says that at some

1002
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: point we went from dressing his hippies to dressing fully rockabilly,

1003
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: that's like, of course you did.

1004
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the pipeline, the hippy to rockabilly pipeline, and like

1005
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: they're being so like skull.

1006
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: Scarf and and I feel like getting in different ayahuasca

1007
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: cults where he's like, we were on one journey and

1008
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 2: a guy became really violent, so I started to protect Bethany,

1009
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: and I said, oh, we have to go right now.

1010
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: So he signed up for like a five thousand dollars.

1011
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: We'll try a different one. Who are you? And the book? Goodness,

1012
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: so many awesome people in this book. I feel like,

1013
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: you're not Gabriel, No, you're not read. Read is more closeted. Yeah,

1014
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 2: are you his fabulous grandma who has tons of gold?

1015
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: I get you? Yeah. I was like, I'm the family's

1016
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: grandma's like tons and I'm always, oh, his grandmother like

1017
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: does curse someone with the Sicilian evil eye at some

1018
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: point to get a role in high school? And he's like,

1019
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the person who is

1020
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: the star started vomiting.

1021
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: I kind of do think that I am like Sarah

1022
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: Paxton or like Chase Crawford, like doing the door poetry.

1023
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like one crazy six weeks. Yeah, and there's like

1024
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: tons of Facebook albums of your crazy six weeks, but

1025
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: you don't really talk to Nico.

1026
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1027
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: I give this book no other reading, but five top

1028
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: buns out of five. This is one of the most

1029
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: I think.

1030
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: Actually, our rating system is super binary, so I am

1031
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: not going to give this a number. I'm just going

1032
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: to say that this book is all ratings.

1033
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: That's so awesome. That's so awesome.

1034
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: Did it need to be written absolutely.

1035
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: Not, absoluutely. Did we need to hear Nico's story about

1036
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: transferring to loyal mirror amount and oil pulling and sticking

1037
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: a spoon up his ass? Maybe maybe not. Yeah, Well,

1038
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: some awesome queer folk find this in a thousand years,

1039
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: and this will be an ancient text of what it's

1040
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: like to do ayahuasca and then get a house in

1041
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: Calabasas and have peapads.

1042
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe this will really open some doors.

1043
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: I just want to highlight there is a feature on

1044
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: our online store where you can buy books that we've

1045
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: read as a guest. Thanked you, and I think if

1046
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 2: you're going to buy a present for someone, buy.

1047
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: This book, Well you can't actually pick.

1048
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: What I'm just saying. This next person is going.

1049
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: To get this book, is going to get this book

1050
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: and we will sign it, which is cool.

1051
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll leave my little post its in here too.

1052
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah you get.

1053
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: I just think this is honestly the funniest present to

1054
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: get any Ally.

1055
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. Great ally gift. Okay, Okay, back best.

1056
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: I want to thank you some of my lovers. Producer

1057
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 2: Darby Masters, we were together on and off for seven years.

1058
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: He taught me what bottoming was our supervising producers a Bouzafar.

1059
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: What we did together as teens shaped me forever. You

1060
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: are a wolf in women and men's clothing.

1061
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: This podcast was executive produced by Christina Everett. Christina, you

1062
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: have been there through the glory and the trauma and

1063
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: my addiction. It would have been a fucking mess. And

1064
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for being my medicine and

1065
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: a crazy, fucked up world. But Heath Frasier, you are

1066
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: my God and my angel, my patronis my pala Santle,

1067
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: my dragon's blood, and you also audio engineered this episode

1068
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: our music was done by Steph Philip's first Stephen, you

1069
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: are a storyteller and the stories that you tell will

1070
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: change minds, hearts and help people achieve the more authentic

1071
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: version of themselves. Thank you for all the work you do.

1072
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: Our queer journey began with Prologue projects and we moved

1073
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: onto iHeart after that journey, but we do want to

1074
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: acknowledge them as being so instrumental to the beginning of

1075
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: our queer journey.

1076
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: We wouldn't even be having a queer journey if it

1077
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: wasn't for them, and what is being queer? But if

1078
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: having podcasts on different.

1079
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: Networks period, please write a review of our queer Journey

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Speaker 1: on that BOL podcasts.

1081
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Speaker 2: Any lovers who I forgot to mention, No, I think

1082
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: of you every single day.