WEBVTT - Abortion and Reproductive Rights after Roe v. Wade 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.560 I highly believe that I am no one to tell 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.400 another woman, another being what they can and cannot do 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:14.440 with their body, like who who am I? The bottom 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.760 line is equality, and that's something that we haven't gotten 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:21.760 to yet, and that's why this issue is so feels 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.759 so large right now. Women are always fighting for all 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:39.680 rights and it's time for men to step up. Hello everyone, 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.560 and welcome to a very special episode of cheek, Ease 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.159 and Chill. Today. I'm joined by a few guests to 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:49.720 talk about a very important topic, reproductive rights. Back in June, 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.960 the Supreme Court struck down Roe versus Weight. It's a 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.840 previous landmark decision that granted women access to legal abortions 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.840 for almost fifty years. So let's get into its cheeks 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:10.080 and chill with me. Today is Patty Rodriguez, co host 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.680 of the Michael podcast Out of the Shadows. Hi, Patty, 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.520 how are you? Hi? Chickies, thank you so much for 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.800 having me here and inviting me to talk about something 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.400 that's really important for our community, not just for all women, 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.640 but for our community. I agree, Thank you so much. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.280 I'm so great. I'm so excited to hear what you 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.960 have to say. We also have Emily is Stefan and 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:37.600 her partner Jim. Can I call you Jim? Yes, their 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.200 host of in our own world. Welcome, ladies, how are you? 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.120 We are great, We're so honored to be here. We 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.520 are part of the Michael Duda her family. We are women, 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.280 we are queer women, and that's an interesting perspective for 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.280 us to analyze this argument. So thank you for inviting us. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.640 Thank you so much. We're so excited to be here. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.880 And last, but not least, we have our Lean son 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.680 that now a development producer on the micro Network and 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.360 Today's moderator. She's also very knowledgeable on this topic. So 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.440 hi are Lean? How are you? Hi? Cheekies, Hi ladies, 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:16.079 how's everybody doing? We're good, awesome, I'm ready. This is 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.359 such an important topic and I'm so grateful that you 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.320 were able to lend your platform for us to have 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.800 this conversation. We know that reproductive justice, that reproductive rights 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.360 is an issue that disproportionately affects people from the Black, 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.480 Indigenous and from our community. We know that this isn't 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.760 just a woman's issue, that this is an issue that 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.440 affects trans people as well as a non binary people. 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.400 And we've all had some time to process the Supreme 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.800 Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. So, without getting 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.519 too much into the nitty gritty, I'd love for this 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:49.880 conversation to be us highlighting voices from our community. So 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.680 let's kick things off with you, cheek ease. Where were 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.960 you when you heard the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.680 What were your initial thoughts and what were your initial feelings? Oh? 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.120 My goodness, Um, I was in Dominican Republic. Actually, I 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.519 was out there for my birthday, celebrating with with some girlfriends, 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.120 and I heard the news and I was just like, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.760 honestly flabbergasted. I was I was upset. I was like, 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.919 what is happening in the world? We were living in? Two? 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.160 Like I automatically, Um, I posted something, reposted something, and 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.919 of course I got some backlash. Um, people in my 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.440 d M s, you know, saying and giving me their opinions. 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.919 And I was going to do this whole TikTok. Actually 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.920 still have it saved, and I never posted it. It's 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.600 crazy because I tried recording it like three or four times, um, 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.320 because it would cut me off, and it's just there 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:38.760 and I never posted it. So I said, you know what, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.600 I'm going to take it to my podcast because I 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.040 think it is something that not just because I'm an 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.360 artist and I'm a singer and I should just stay 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.480 away from politics. I think it's it is my god 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.240 given right to to speak about my thoughts and how 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.280 I feel and help other people, you know, and um, 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.480 and that's what I'm doing, you know, But it was 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:02.840 it was definitely disappointing for me. Patty. What about you were? 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:04.920 Where were you? What do you remember from that day 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.720 and what were you feeling? You know? Interesting enough, I 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:14.080 was actually um landing UM into Washington, d c UM. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.880 I was there for a convention and that evening after 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:22.559 we wrapped up, UH took an over to the Supreme Court, 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.760 and there was just so many feelings and emotions there, 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.960 so much anger. I think. I think as as a country, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:37.680 we're just so discouraged by our government and the the 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.440 fact that this is this is their framing what's happening 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:48.680 as this religious reason, when I think the reality is not, 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.920 that's not true. It's not it's it's I feel that 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.120 it's about control and and that's what's heartbreaking and what 0:04:56.400 --> 0:05:01.200 I feel we're not really understanding agreed. We're definitely going 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.840 to talk about how our culture and religion intersect um. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.520 But before we do that, Emily Geminy, I'd love to 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.920 hear your thoughts. Where were you when you hurt the 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.880 news and what were your initial feelings. I think we 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.760 were together, weren't we when we when we found this 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.960 out um. To be honest, I don't remember the exact 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.160 time and place, but what I do remember is the 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.680 moment that I realized that they're trying to make us 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.000 feel that history is further away than it is. We're 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.080 still living in a lifetime when women couldn't vote, when 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.800 slavery was legal. You know, we have to take a 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.200 step back and say yes, you know, at least in 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.680 certain directions, we're going in the right direction. However, we're 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.160 still in a world where we are discriminating against so 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.840 many people that live among us, and some of those 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.480 people is gender sexuality, like you mentioned. But the bottom 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.839 line is equality and that's something that we haven't gotten 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.839 to yet. And that's why this issue is so feels 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.520 so large right now, because we feel like we're in 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.000 a bigger room than we are. They used to put 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.680 things in history books in black and white that were 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.400 in color to make us feel like they were further 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.920 away than they were. We need to be on the 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.640 front line still being these voices and these platforms that 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.080 you are offering us, because that's how we're going to 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.240 change is continuing the conversation. Before, back in the day, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.880 you could even say the word gay. You could woman 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.160 and voting. Ha ha ha, that's a joke. You know. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.599 Now we're able to talk about it. But we're still fighting. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.880 So that's why we're here. That's why we're having the conversation. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.040 I don't remember when, but I every day remember how 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.600 important it is, and that's what that's what sticks with me. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.480 But yeah, you remember, I guess yeah. I mean I 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.600 think there was one thing that I read somewhere that 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.040 it just stuck with me the whole day, which was 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.000 the daughters that are being born today are being born 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.960 with less rights than the country that I was born 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.440 into because I was lucky enough to be born in America. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.560 And like Emily said, this is a way bigger thing. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.040 And like you said, Patty, this is much bigger than 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:05.520 just the rights that um uterous bearing individuals to to 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:09.200 speak of everyone that this affects. Um are are trying 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.480 to protect. This is about bodily autonomy. This is about 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.160 anyone not allowing or not allowing the government to have 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.160 a say on what we do with our bodies. That's 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.520 our our god given right. Um. And and I think 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.680 that more than anything, it was disheartening to to hear 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.520 that news, but more more fuel to keep pushing forward 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.920 for a better future. For sure, Patty, you touched on 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.200 this a little bit about this UM idea that our community. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.440 You know, we come from a culture where religion is 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.600 sort of deeply rooted in who we are. Of course, 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.360 not everyone comes from a religious background, not everyone was 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.000 raised in that in that way, but it is part 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.760 of of who we are as a community. So Cheekyes, 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.000 I'd love for you to to kick this question off 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.000 as well. You're someone who has said you believe in God, 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.480 but you're more of a spiritual person. Now, how do 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.720 those two things, um intersect? For you? Can someone be 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:09.400 religious and also be pro choice? You know what I think? Um, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.640 anyone can be whatever they want. You know what I mean? 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:17.480 I guess in in in speaking for myself, UM, you know, 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.800 growing up in a religious home, you know, we were Christian, UM. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.880 A lot of fear was was instilled a lot of 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.120 of you know, if you don't do this, this is 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.720 gonna happen, You're gonna go straight to hell. And for 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.920 a long time I believed it, you know, And thankfully 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.600 I had an epiphany one day. And I am definitely 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.040 more spiritual than than religious. And and I'm just the 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.600 type of person that respects everyone's decisions. I'm very much 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:49.440 let live and let live, um. And I think that, yeah, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.079 I mean, maybe you can be religious and be pro choice, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.440 but I highly doubted. I haven't seen someone. And that's 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.120 what upsets me the most about this whole thing is 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.880 that they keep throwing the Bible at me, um or 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.880 at us, and just throwing in what the Bible says 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.839 and religion, and it's so much it's not it's not 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.560 about that. It's so much more than that, you know. UM. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:14.600 But for sure people in my family that I no, obviously, UM. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.800 They they think that, UM, I cannot say that I 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.079 love God and be okay with this is what they've 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.120 they have told me. But I just have to say 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:31.120 one incredible thing. God and religion are two different things 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.880 in my opinion, because you can believe in God, you 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.520 can believe in the Almighty power, whatever connection you have 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.440 with your God right, But religion as a constructors man 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.280 made those books were written by humans, passed down by 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.040 people who were faulted, who had issues themselves. So I 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.000 believe in God, but religion, I'm not sure. And that 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.520 doesn't mean that I'm not somebody who has faith, you know. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.079 So that's where I feel for me that that line. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:07.439 Since you know, Patting, what about you? I know that 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.319 you have some strong feelings about this, and it's a complicated. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.679 It can be a complicated conversation to have, especially when 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.640 we're talking to people in our family who are very religious, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.600 like Cheekie said, and even sometimes talking to the older generation. 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.000 How do those two things play out for you? Being 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:28.080 religious and being pro choice? It is very complicated because 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.120 I believe in God, I believe in a higher power, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:34.040 I believe in life. Um. But I also I have 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:40.520 a very hard time understanding the the the motives behind 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.560 all of this. If you if you're these individuals who 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.240 are making these decisions for us, if they really believe 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.880 and these babies, and you know they they would they 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:56.360 would invest in resources to ensure that every child survives 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:01.520 and thrives. That to me is what just it's makes 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.079 it's it angers me because if it was really about 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:11.000 the children, we would be investing and creating a foundation 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.800 for for investing in ensuring that our children are healthy, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.560 that they're not living in poverty, that their their parents 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.000 and family have a foundation to be able to raise 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.640 their children in the way that we should all be raised. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.400 And that's not happening in this country. It's not happening. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.680 So if you can't just the minute that a child 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.439 is born, this government completely forgets about our children. We 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:39.000 are we have the lowest education rates in the entire world. 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.880 Our children are not provided with the resources that they 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.120 need to thrive in this country and in the world, 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.720 and that is what's heartbreaking. So I while I believe 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.679 in life and I believe that um in God, in 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.000 the Higher Power, what I don't believe is the reasoning 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.560 behind the control that is being imposed on us. Don't 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.480 come to me with this with this crap, because it 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:06.360 really is it is it is. It is frustrating because 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:11.599 they are they're using this as a control mechanism. And um, I, 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:18.719 like Chickie said, you decide, you have the right to 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.840 choose what to do. We have the right to choose 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:25.360 what to do with our bodies, um, and there's no 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:32.239 other body that is being um control the way reproductive 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:38.640 people's bodies are controlled. And if we don't see that reality, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.599 then this is only the beginning to just just a 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:50.600 bigger heartbreak and problems in this country. I also love 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.240 that you mentioned that go ahead to me. Yeah, sorry, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.280 it just to me. You've got me thinking, Patty, it's 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.160 really funny. How Also, we are trying to solve the 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.319 problem of unwanted bread and sees um by looking at women. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.599 But last time I checked, women can't impregnate themselves. It 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.200 is a man who impregnates a women, So why haven't 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:12.000 we focused the conversation to them. And am a mother. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.640 I'm a mother to two boys, and I want, I 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.439 am hoping that I raised my children, my my two boys, 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.760 knowing that this is not just a woman's problem, UM, 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:29.319 and I hope other parents listening feel the same way too. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.640 And you know, we also see that when it comes 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.319 down to this, it's always us who are the loudest. Um. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.960 Women are always fighting for all rights, and it's time 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:45.160 for men to step up because this is not just 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:51.120 our problem. And as parents and mothers, we have a 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:55.400 responsibility to raise boys to know that they're sharing the 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.640 world with women and they're just as much responsible for 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.040 it than we are. And it's it's enough that we're 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.760 the only ones always fighting, um, and it's it's heartbreaking 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.840 and frustrating. I hear you want to have some strong 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:17.439 thoughts on that one speak yes, no, absolutely, I mean yes, 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.400 it's not just like like Jim said, you know, it's 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.680 we don't impregnate ourselves, you know, so we shouldn't just 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.320 be the only ones held quote unquote accountable, you know. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.320 And I highly believe that I am no one to 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.560 tell another woman, another being what they can and cannot 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.720 do with their body, Like who who am I? Like? 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.920 That's am I going to take care of the child? 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.640 Am I going to say no, don't have an abortion? 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.680 I'll take care of it. Like That's where I'm like, Okay, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.320 all these people that are voting and that are saying, okay, yes, 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.520 you know, um, these women should not have abortions. Okay, 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:50.920 Well are you going to take care of them? Are 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.320 you going to provide for these children? You know? Because 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.440 then we have an even bigger problem if you have 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:00.720 if you're forced to have an unwanted child, There's gonna 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.200 be a resentment there from the parent to the child. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.320 The child is going to grow up upset and it's 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.960 gonna cause so many It's the worst you can do. 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.400 It's the worst you can do to a human being. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.800 Bring him to a world where they're they're not there's 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.520 no love or they feel like they are support wanted, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.080 no support not just by the person birthing them, but 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.280 by the entire country and the government. There's absolutely zero 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.720 support for these children. Not only that, speaking as a 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.480 queer woman, you know, I have been with men in 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.640 my life. I've experienced what it is to feel the 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.480 responsibility of being a woman in a sexual relationship, because 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.080 that's another thing. When you're with a male, I feel 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.960 like oftentimes you feel like, oh, it's my problem, Like 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.400 if this happens to me, it's on me, you know, 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.240 I have to tell the guy and figure it out, 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.240 and it's my burden. Absolutely, not like Jim and we're 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.840 just speaking about. However, at the same time, you know, 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.240 we have to acknowledge that as queer women, when we 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.680 decide to have a child, that we have to plan, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:02.840 that we have to figure out what we're gonna do, 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.560 how best to love that child, how best to find 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.200 somebody that needs love and we have the resources that 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.920 we can give them, and so for example, there's so 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.720 many children that perhaps somebody doesn't have the resources or 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.120 love or you know, mental stability, which is so fair 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.040 because mental health is a really big thing and if 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.040 you're not in a mentally well placed you should not 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.720 be preparing people for this world, or even after or 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.520 even after pregnancy postpadun depression of which is again very 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.320 real and an entire, an entire thing that needs to 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.360 be respected and talked about more because there's a lot 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.880 of shame about it. But anyway, so when we make 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.120 the decision to go down that path to to find 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.240 our child, you know, then we're going to love that 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.920 child as if it is our own and give it 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.000 the life that it deserves, which is why there are 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.200 opportunities out there for people to be loved, just like 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.240 in nature, just like we see in nature, you know, 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.160 mm hmm. Y'all talked about this a lot about this idea, 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.040 how if this was really about pro life and about 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.560 the children, then we would really be providing for those 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.200 children after they are born and there's this element of 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.720 economic control. Latina's people of color are already paid at 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:19.840 such a lower rate than your white male person is 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.359 in this country. Can we talk about that a little bit, 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:26.159 about the economic control and how this could potentially prevent 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.479 women from going to college, from moving out of their 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.879 parents house, from becoming independent. I'd love to hear y'all's 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.160 thoughts on that, Patty. Can we start with you. Yeah, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.960 as a mother to two children, motherhood is the hardest, 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:50.160 especially UM, as a parent trying to navigate a career. 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:56.119 I my mom came to this country from Mexico and 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.439 she had three children, and I honestly don't know how 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.800 she did it. UM. I would say, at the expense 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.159 of her mental health. UM. And it shouldn't be that 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.840 way from others. UM. It needs a village, and we 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:14.760 no longer have that village. UM. Our ancestors had villages. 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.200 It was a community that raised children. You never it's 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.600 you don't raise children alone. That's not you don't do that. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.600 But somehow in this culture, and this this this country's culture, 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.359 you're supposed to raise your children alone at the expense 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.400 of your mental health and your physical health as well. 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:37.359 And what happens is it sets women back because again, 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:42.520 there's no support for UM child care. UM. You're not 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:47.560 able to UM. It's a lot challenging for you to 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.760 move on into your career or UM as a mother 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.800 because you're no longer living for yourself. You're you're living 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.760 for a child that needs special care, and not just 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:01.919 for a few hours. Today we're talking about twenty four 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.320 hours to day, seven days a week, and in this country, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:12.680 we have zero support. And me, as an entrepreneur, a writer, 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.280 a producer, a creator, I owe that to my village. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.680 I was able and I had the privilege to be 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.600 able to bring my aunt from Mexico to help me 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.920 care for my children for the first years of their life. 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:30.080 Without her, I wouldn't be sitting here with you all. 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:34.160 I wouldn't have the career that I have, the UM, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.720 the businesses that I have, because it takes a village. 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:42.600 And it's really unfortunate that women have to choose two 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.560 and that's what this country is having us to do, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.879 to choose, and we shouldn't have to choose. We need 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:57.320 to bring back our villages. UM. Women of privilege have 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.680 their villages. They don't talk about it, but they pay 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.840 for their villages. They have their drivers that take their 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:08.720 kids to school, they have housekeepers that care for their homes, 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:12.840 they have a nanny for each child, they have tutoring classes, 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.680 they have after school programs that they can pay for. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:20.520 It takes a village to raise children, and our community 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:25.400 doesn't have that. So when you when the government implements 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.520 this control on us, it's only going to affect us 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.080 and no one's doing anything about it, and we should 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.359 be really angry. Yes, cheek is what about you? You? 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.159 You care for your siblings. I know that you're not 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.680 a mother yet, but you are sort of the matriarch 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:42.840 of your family right now. Can you talk a little 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.600 bit about those kind of responsibilities and the dynamics of 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:51.480 what it means to uh now have this access taken 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:57.040 from you? Well, I mean growing up with a mother 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.920 of five children, a single mother of five children. I 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.160 hear what Patty saying, and I saw firsthand how difficult 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.200 it was, and because I was the eldest, what I 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.560 had to do my had me at fifteen. For her, 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:14.040 it was especially living at my grandparents home, like abortion 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:18.639 was absolutely not a choice um and it was expensive, 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.640 so she didn't know what to do, and I grew 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.760 up seeing that, you know, she says, I thought about it. 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.440 I didn't know. I didn't want to have you, but 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.680 I had no choice. And you know, it was difficult 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.720 growing up and and knowing that obviously, but I'm glad. 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.440 I'm glad she had me, you know, but I think 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.120 she had my support. But it was also very difficult 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.439 on me because I had to give up so many things, 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.800 um in my childhood to help my mom. I don't 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.119 regret it, but that's just my reality. And now that 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.879 she's not here, I mean, she taught me so much. 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.080 I learned so much and and it's difficult, you know, 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.240 it's difficult, and and it's I've had to help raise 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:57.160 my siblings and and I'm telling you, you know, tutoring. 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:01.760 Tutoring is expensive, and I wish that they would help 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.159 us more with childcare, you know what I mean. Johnny 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.000 was eleven years old O my mom passed. I didn't 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:07.400 know what to do. I was trying to figure out 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.200 my life and I'm like, how do I you know? 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.200 It was it was just a lot, I mean, especially 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.480 even growing up. I mean, we we weren't born with 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.200 a silver spoon in our mouth, you know, and it 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.280 was it was hard. It was definitely hard. So that's 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:24.000 one thing that it's just it upsets me and I 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.840 just even if it is someone that had consensual sex 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:30.879 and she just doesn't want to have the baby with this, 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.640 with this guy or whoever it may be, why why 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:35.679 for someone you know what I mean? Or what if 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.639 it's a I just heard something like, I don't know, 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:39.719 like two months ago, someone I believe a little girl 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:41.720 in Ohio I think she was ten years old, who 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.040 was raped and she had to travel I don't know 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.240 where because she couldn't have an abortion where she was from. 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.680 So I'm just like, what freaking world are we living in? 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.960 Like this is ridiculous to me. And just because I'm 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.840 pro choice doesn't mean i'm pro abortion. I'm not one 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.359 to say use abortion as birth country. I'm just saying, 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.160 don't tell me what I can do with my body, 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.000 you know what I mean, Like don't don't that's not 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.359 it's not okay with me. It makes me feel very uncomfortable, 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.000 and it makes it worries me for my future children, 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.639 you know, or like you know what I mean, Like, 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:17.800 what what's going on? We have to stand up and 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:19.919 we have to have these hard conversations, and they're going 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.840 to be uncomfortable to some people, but I think it's 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.760