1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: I highly believe that I am no one to tell 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: another woman, another being what they can and cannot do 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: with their body, like who who am I? The bottom 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: line is equality, and that's something that we haven't gotten 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: to yet, and that's why this issue is so feels 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: so large right now. Women are always fighting for all 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: rights and it's time for men to step up. Hello everyone, 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: and welcome to a very special episode of cheek, Ease 9 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: and Chill. Today. I'm joined by a few guests to 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: talk about a very important topic, reproductive rights. Back in June, 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court struck down Roe versus Weight. It's a 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: previous landmark decision that granted women access to legal abortions 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: for almost fifty years. So let's get into its cheeks 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: and chill with me. Today is Patty Rodriguez, co host 15 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: of the Michael podcast Out of the Shadows. Hi, Patty, 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: how are you? Hi? Chickies, thank you so much for 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: having me here and inviting me to talk about something 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: that's really important for our community, not just for all women, 19 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: but for our community. I agree, Thank you so much. 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm so great. I'm so excited to hear what you 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: have to say. We also have Emily is Stefan and 22 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: her partner Jim. Can I call you Jim? Yes, their 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: host of in our own world. Welcome, ladies, how are you? 24 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: We are great, We're so honored to be here. We 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: are part of the Michael Duda her family. We are women, 26 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: we are queer women, and that's an interesting perspective for 27 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: us to analyze this argument. So thank you for inviting us. 28 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We're so excited to be here. 29 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: And last, but not least, we have our Lean son 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: that now a development producer on the micro Network and 31 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Today's moderator. She's also very knowledgeable on this topic. So 32 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: hi are Lean? How are you? Hi? Cheekies, Hi ladies, 33 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: how's everybody doing? We're good, awesome, I'm ready. This is 34 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: such an important topic and I'm so grateful that you 35 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: were able to lend your platform for us to have 36 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: this conversation. We know that reproductive justice, that reproductive rights 37 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: is an issue that disproportionately affects people from the Black, 38 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: Indigenous and from our community. We know that this isn't 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: just a woman's issue, that this is an issue that 40 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: affects trans people as well as a non binary people. 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: And we've all had some time to process the Supreme 42 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. So, without getting 43 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: too much into the nitty gritty, I'd love for this 44 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: conversation to be us highlighting voices from our community. So 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: let's kick things off with you, cheek ease. Where were 46 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: you when you heard the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: What were your initial thoughts and what were your initial feelings? Oh? 48 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: My goodness, Um, I was in Dominican Republic. Actually, I 49 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: was out there for my birthday, celebrating with with some girlfriends, 50 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: and I heard the news and I was just like, 51 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: honestly flabbergasted. I was I was upset. I was like, 52 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: what is happening in the world? We were living in? Two? 53 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Like I automatically, Um, I posted something, reposted something, and 54 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: of course I got some backlash. Um, people in my 55 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: d M s, you know, saying and giving me their opinions. 56 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: And I was going to do this whole TikTok. Actually 57 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: still have it saved, and I never posted it. It's 58 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: crazy because I tried recording it like three or four times, um, 59 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: because it would cut me off, and it's just there 60 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: and I never posted it. So I said, you know what, 61 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to take it to my podcast because I 62 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: think it is something that not just because I'm an 63 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: artist and I'm a singer and I should just stay 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: away from politics. I think it's it is my god 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: given right to to speak about my thoughts and how 66 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: I feel and help other people, you know, and um, 67 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm doing, you know, But it was 68 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: it was definitely disappointing for me. Patty. What about you were? 69 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: Where were you? What do you remember from that day 70 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: and what were you feeling? You know? Interesting enough, I 71 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: was actually um landing UM into Washington, d c UM. 72 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I was there for a convention and that evening after 73 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 1: we wrapped up, UH took an over to the Supreme Court, 74 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: and there was just so many feelings and emotions there, 75 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: so much anger. I think. I think as as a country, 76 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: we're just so discouraged by our government and the the 77 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: fact that this is this is their framing what's happening 78 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: as this religious reason, when I think the reality is not, 79 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: that's not true. It's not it's it's I feel that 80 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: it's about control and and that's what's heartbreaking and what 81 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: I feel we're not really understanding agreed. We're definitely going 82 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: to talk about how our culture and religion intersect um. 83 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: But before we do that, Emily Geminy, I'd love to 84 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts. Where were you when you hurt the 85 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: news and what were your initial feelings. I think we 86 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: were together, weren't we when we when we found this 87 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: out um. To be honest, I don't remember the exact 88 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: time and place, but what I do remember is the 89 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: moment that I realized that they're trying to make us 90 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: feel that history is further away than it is. We're 91 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: still living in a lifetime when women couldn't vote, when 92 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: slavery was legal. You know, we have to take a 93 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: step back and say yes, you know, at least in 94 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: certain directions, we're going in the right direction. However, we're 95 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: still in a world where we are discriminating against so 96 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: many people that live among us, and some of those 97 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: people is gender sexuality, like you mentioned. But the bottom 98 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: line is equality and that's something that we haven't gotten 99 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: to yet. And that's why this issue is so feels 100 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: so large right now, because we feel like we're in 101 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: a bigger room than we are. They used to put 102 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: things in history books in black and white that were 103 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: in color to make us feel like they were further 104 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: away than they were. We need to be on the 105 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: front line still being these voices and these platforms that 106 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: you are offering us, because that's how we're going to 107 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: change is continuing the conversation. Before, back in the day, 108 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: you could even say the word gay. You could woman 109 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: and voting. Ha ha ha, that's a joke. You know. 110 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: Now we're able to talk about it. But we're still fighting. 111 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: So that's why we're here. That's why we're having the conversation. 112 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember when, but I every day remember how 113 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: important it is, and that's what that's what sticks with me. 114 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, you remember, I guess yeah. I mean I 115 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: think there was one thing that I read somewhere that 116 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: it just stuck with me the whole day, which was 117 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: the daughters that are being born today are being born 118 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: with less rights than the country that I was born 119 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: into because I was lucky enough to be born in America. 120 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: And like Emily said, this is a way bigger thing. 121 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: And like you said, Patty, this is much bigger than 122 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: just the rights that um uterous bearing individuals to to 123 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: speak of everyone that this affects. Um are are trying 124 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: to protect. This is about bodily autonomy. This is about 125 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: anyone not allowing or not allowing the government to have 126 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: a say on what we do with our bodies. That's 127 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: our our god given right. Um. And and I think 128 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: that more than anything, it was disheartening to to hear 129 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: that news, but more more fuel to keep pushing forward 130 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: for a better future. For sure, Patty, you touched on 131 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: this a little bit about this UM idea that our community. 132 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: You know, we come from a culture where religion is 133 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: sort of deeply rooted in who we are. Of course, 134 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: not everyone comes from a religious background, not everyone was 135 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: raised in that in that way, but it is part 136 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: of of who we are as a community. So Cheekyes, 137 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: I'd love for you to to kick this question off 138 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: as well. You're someone who has said you believe in God, 139 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: but you're more of a spiritual person. Now, how do 140 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: those two things, um intersect? For you? Can someone be 141 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: religious and also be pro choice? You know what I think? Um, 142 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: anyone can be whatever they want. You know what I mean? 143 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: I guess in in in speaking for myself, UM, you know, 144 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: growing up in a religious home, you know, we were Christian, UM. 145 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: A lot of fear was was instilled a lot of 146 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: of you know, if you don't do this, this is 147 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: gonna happen, You're gonna go straight to hell. And for 148 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: a long time I believed it, you know, And thankfully 149 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: I had an epiphany one day. And I am definitely 150 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: more spiritual than than religious. And and I'm just the 151 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: type of person that respects everyone's decisions. I'm very much 152 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: let live and let live, um. And I think that, yeah, 153 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you can be religious and be pro choice, 154 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: but I highly doubted. I haven't seen someone. And that's 155 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: what upsets me the most about this whole thing is 156 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: that they keep throwing the Bible at me, um or 157 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: at us, and just throwing in what the Bible says 158 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: and religion, and it's so much it's not it's not 159 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: about that. It's so much more than that, you know. UM. 160 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: But for sure people in my family that I no, obviously, UM. 161 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: They they think that, UM, I cannot say that I 162 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: love God and be okay with this is what they've 163 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: they have told me. But I just have to say 164 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: one incredible thing. God and religion are two different things 165 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: in my opinion, because you can believe in God, you 166 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: can believe in the Almighty power, whatever connection you have 167 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: with your God right, But religion as a constructors man 168 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: made those books were written by humans, passed down by 169 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: people who were faulted, who had issues themselves. So I 170 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: believe in God, but religion, I'm not sure. And that 171 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I'm not somebody who has faith, you know. 172 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: So that's where I feel for me that that line. 173 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: Since you know, Patting, what about you? I know that 174 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: you have some strong feelings about this, and it's a complicated. 175 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: It can be a complicated conversation to have, especially when 176 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: we're talking to people in our family who are very religious, 177 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: like Cheekie said, and even sometimes talking to the older generation. 178 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: How do those two things play out for you? Being 179 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: religious and being pro choice? It is very complicated because 180 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: I believe in God, I believe in a higher power, 181 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: I believe in life. Um. But I also I have 182 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: a very hard time understanding the the the motives behind 183 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: all of this. If you if you're these individuals who 184 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: are making these decisions for us, if they really believe 185 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: and these babies, and you know they they would they 186 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: would invest in resources to ensure that every child survives 187 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: and thrives. That to me is what just it's makes 188 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: it's it angers me because if it was really about 189 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: the children, we would be investing and creating a foundation 190 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: for for investing in ensuring that our children are healthy, 191 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: that they're not living in poverty, that their their parents 192 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: and family have a foundation to be able to raise 193 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: their children in the way that we should all be raised. 194 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: And that's not happening in this country. It's not happening. 195 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: So if you can't just the minute that a child 196 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: is born, this government completely forgets about our children. We 197 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: are we have the lowest education rates in the entire world. 198 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: Our children are not provided with the resources that they 199 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: need to thrive in this country and in the world, 200 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: and that is what's heartbreaking. So I while I believe 201 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: in life and I believe that um in God, in 202 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: the Higher Power, what I don't believe is the reasoning 203 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: behind the control that is being imposed on us. Don't 204 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: come to me with this with this crap, because it 205 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: really is it is it is. It is frustrating because 206 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: they are they're using this as a control mechanism. And um, I, 207 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: like Chickie said, you decide, you have the right to 208 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: choose what to do. We have the right to choose 209 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: what to do with our bodies, um, and there's no 210 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:32,239 Speaker 1: other body that is being um control the way reproductive 211 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: people's bodies are controlled. And if we don't see that reality, 212 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 1: then this is only the beginning to just just a 213 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: bigger heartbreak and problems in this country. I also love 214 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: that you mentioned that go ahead to me. Yeah, sorry, 215 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: it just to me. You've got me thinking, Patty, it's 216 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: really funny. How Also, we are trying to solve the 217 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: problem of unwanted bread and sees um by looking at women. 218 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 1: But last time I checked, women can't impregnate themselves. It 219 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: is a man who impregnates a women, So why haven't 220 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: we focused the conversation to them. And am a mother. 221 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm a mother to two boys, and I want, I 222 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: am hoping that I raised my children, my my two boys, 223 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: knowing that this is not just a woman's problem, UM, 224 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: and I hope other parents listening feel the same way too. 225 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: And you know, we also see that when it comes 226 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: down to this, it's always us who are the loudest. Um. 227 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: Women are always fighting for all rights, and it's time 228 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: for men to step up because this is not just 229 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: our problem. And as parents and mothers, we have a 230 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: responsibility to raise boys to know that they're sharing the 231 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: world with women and they're just as much responsible for 232 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: it than we are. And it's it's enough that we're 233 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: the only ones always fighting, um, and it's it's heartbreaking 234 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: and frustrating. I hear you want to have some strong 235 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: thoughts on that one speak yes, no, absolutely, I mean yes, 236 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: it's not just like like Jim said, you know, it's 237 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: we don't impregnate ourselves, you know, so we shouldn't just 238 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: be the only ones held quote unquote accountable, you know. 239 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: And I highly believe that I am no one to 240 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: tell another woman, another being what they can and cannot 241 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: do with their body, Like who who am I? Like? 242 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: That's am I going to take care of the child? 243 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: Am I going to say no, don't have an abortion? 244 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: I'll take care of it. Like That's where I'm like, Okay, 245 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: all these people that are voting and that are saying, okay, yes, 246 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, um, these women should not have abortions. Okay, 247 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: Well are you going to take care of them? Are 248 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: you going to provide for these children? You know? Because 249 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: then we have an even bigger problem if you have 250 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: if you're forced to have an unwanted child, There's gonna 251 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: be a resentment there from the parent to the child. 252 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: The child is going to grow up upset and it's 253 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: gonna cause so many It's the worst you can do. 254 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: It's the worst you can do to a human being. 255 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: Bring him to a world where they're they're not there's 256 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: no love or they feel like they are support wanted, 257 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: no support not just by the person birthing them, but 258 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: by the entire country and the government. There's absolutely zero 259 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: support for these children. Not only that, speaking as a 260 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: queer woman, you know, I have been with men in 261 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: my life. I've experienced what it is to feel the 262 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: responsibility of being a woman in a sexual relationship, because 263 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: that's another thing. When you're with a male, I feel 264 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: like oftentimes you feel like, oh, it's my problem, Like 265 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: if this happens to me, it's on me, you know, 266 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: I have to tell the guy and figure it out, 267 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: and it's my burden. Absolutely, not like Jim and we're 268 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: just speaking about. However, at the same time, you know, 269 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge that as queer women, when we 270 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: decide to have a child, that we have to plan, 271 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: that we have to figure out what we're gonna do, 272 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: how best to love that child, how best to find 273 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: somebody that needs love and we have the resources that 274 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: we can give them, and so for example, there's so 275 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: many children that perhaps somebody doesn't have the resources or 276 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: love or you know, mental stability, which is so fair 277 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: because mental health is a really big thing and if 278 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: you're not in a mentally well placed you should not 279 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: be preparing people for this world, or even after or 280 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: even after pregnancy postpadun depression of which is again very 281 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: real and an entire, an entire thing that needs to 282 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: be respected and talked about more because there's a lot 283 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: of shame about it. But anyway, so when we make 284 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: the decision to go down that path to to find 285 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: our child, you know, then we're going to love that 286 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: child as if it is our own and give it 287 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: the life that it deserves, which is why there are 288 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: opportunities out there for people to be loved, just like 289 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: in nature, just like we see in nature, you know, 290 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: mm hmm. Y'all talked about this a lot about this idea, 291 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: how if this was really about pro life and about 292 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: the children, then we would really be providing for those 293 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: children after they are born and there's this element of 294 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: economic control. Latina's people of color are already paid at 295 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: such a lower rate than your white male person is 296 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: in this country. Can we talk about that a little bit, 297 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: about the economic control and how this could potentially prevent 298 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: women from going to college, from moving out of their 299 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: parents house, from becoming independent. I'd love to hear y'all's 300 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: thoughts on that, Patty. Can we start with you. Yeah, 301 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: as a mother to two children, motherhood is the hardest, 302 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: especially UM, as a parent trying to navigate a career. 303 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: I my mom came to this country from Mexico and 304 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: she had three children, and I honestly don't know how 305 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: she did it. UM. I would say, at the expense 306 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: of her mental health. UM. And it shouldn't be that 307 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: way from others. UM. It needs a village, and we 308 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: no longer have that village. UM. Our ancestors had villages. 309 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: It was a community that raised children. You never it's 310 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: you don't raise children alone. That's not you don't do that. 311 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: But somehow in this culture, and this this this country's culture, 312 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: you're supposed to raise your children alone at the expense 313 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: of your mental health and your physical health as well. 314 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: And what happens is it sets women back because again, 315 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: there's no support for UM child care. UM. You're not 316 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: able to UM. It's a lot challenging for you to 317 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: move on into your career or UM as a mother 318 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: because you're no longer living for yourself. You're you're living 319 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: for a child that needs special care, and not just 320 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: for a few hours. Today we're talking about twenty four 321 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: hours to day, seven days a week, and in this country, 322 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: we have zero support. And me, as an entrepreneur, a writer, 323 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: a producer, a creator, I owe that to my village. 324 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: I was able and I had the privilege to be 325 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: able to bring my aunt from Mexico to help me 326 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: care for my children for the first years of their life. 327 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: Without her, I wouldn't be sitting here with you all. 328 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have the career that I have, the UM, 329 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: the businesses that I have, because it takes a village. 330 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: And it's really unfortunate that women have to choose two 331 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: and that's what this country is having us to do, 332 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: to choose, and we shouldn't have to choose. We need 333 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: to bring back our villages. UM. Women of privilege have 334 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: their villages. They don't talk about it, but they pay 335 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: for their villages. They have their drivers that take their 336 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: kids to school, they have housekeepers that care for their homes, 337 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: they have a nanny for each child, they have tutoring classes, 338 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: they have after school programs that they can pay for. 339 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: It takes a village to raise children, and our community 340 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: doesn't have that. So when you when the government implements 341 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: this control on us, it's only going to affect us 342 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: and no one's doing anything about it, and we should 343 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: be really angry. Yes, cheek is what about you? You? 344 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: You care for your siblings. I know that you're not 345 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: a mother yet, but you are sort of the matriarch 346 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: of your family right now. Can you talk a little 347 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: bit about those kind of responsibilities and the dynamics of 348 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: what it means to uh now have this access taken 349 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: from you? Well, I mean growing up with a mother 350 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: of five children, a single mother of five children. I 351 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: hear what Patty saying, and I saw firsthand how difficult 352 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: it was, and because I was the eldest, what I 353 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: had to do my had me at fifteen. For her, 354 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: it was especially living at my grandparents home, like abortion 355 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: was absolutely not a choice um and it was expensive, 356 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: so she didn't know what to do, and I grew 357 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: up seeing that, you know, she says, I thought about it. 358 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't want to have you, but 359 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: I had no choice. And you know, it was difficult 360 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: growing up and and knowing that obviously, but I'm glad. 361 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad she had me, you know, but I think 362 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: she had my support. But it was also very difficult 363 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: on me because I had to give up so many things, 364 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: um in my childhood to help my mom. I don't 365 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: regret it, but that's just my reality. And now that 366 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: she's not here, I mean, she taught me so much. 367 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: I learned so much and and it's difficult, you know, 368 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: it's difficult, and and it's I've had to help raise 369 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: my siblings and and I'm telling you, you know, tutoring. 370 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Tutoring is expensive, and I wish that they would help 371 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: us more with childcare, you know what I mean. Johnny 372 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: was eleven years old O my mom passed. I didn't 373 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: know what to do. I was trying to figure out 374 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: my life and I'm like, how do I you know? 375 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: It was it was just a lot, I mean, especially 376 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: even growing up. I mean, we we weren't born with 377 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: a silver spoon in our mouth, you know, and it 378 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: was it was hard. It was definitely hard. So that's 379 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: one thing that it's just it upsets me and I 380 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: just even if it is someone that had consensual sex 381 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: and she just doesn't want to have the baby with this, 382 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: with this guy or whoever it may be, why why 383 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: for someone you know what I mean? Or what if 384 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: it's a I just heard something like, I don't know, 385 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 1: like two months ago, someone I believe a little girl 386 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: in Ohio I think she was ten years old, who 387 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: was raped and she had to travel I don't know 388 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: where because she couldn't have an abortion where she was from. 389 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: So I'm just like, what freaking world are we living in? 390 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: Like this is ridiculous to me. And just because I'm 391 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: pro choice doesn't mean i'm pro abortion. I'm not one 392 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: to say use abortion as birth country. I'm just saying, 393 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: don't tell me what I can do with my body, 394 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like don't don't that's not 395 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: it's not okay with me. It makes me feel very uncomfortable, 396 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: and it makes it worries me for my future children, 397 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: you know, or like you know what I mean, Like, 398 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: what what's going on? We have to stand up and 399 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: we have to have these hard conversations, and they're going 400 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable to some people, but I think it's 401 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: very important for for you know, future generations to come. 402 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: Emily and Jim, what about you and your perspective from 403 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: the queer community. I would love to get your thoughts 404 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: on it. And you're also gen zars. Actually we're millennials. 405 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: We are not okay, yes, but you know millennials are better. 406 00:23:53,320 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: Just saying, you know, Cheeks, I was thinking when when 407 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: I was listening to you speak, it's it's you're absolutely right, 408 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: also makes me wonder what comes next. If they were 409 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: able to take this from us, what else can they take? 410 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: And that's the thing is that Rovi Wade was sort 411 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: of an umbrella law where it did discuss other parts 412 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: of UM pregnancy, how how should I say this? Pregnancy 413 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: things like pregnancy issues thank you, health pregnancy issues like contraceptives, UM, 414 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: the right to have a cesarean different things that are 415 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: then put into question. I mean, let's not pretend like 416 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: we didn't all probably hear Justice Clarence Thomas mentioned gay 417 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: marriage is something that we should look at. UM. So 418 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: it's it's it's extremely wearisome and I couldn't agree with 419 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: you more. It's not even about um the valid truth 420 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: of the ten year old who had to go to 421 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: obscene amount of length to have an abortion, or the 422 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: women who are at risk of dying themselves, or the 423 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: parents who are loving parents, who who are are excited 424 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: and have prepared for a child who unfortunately was not 425 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: able to develop their vital organs, all of these other 426 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: situations that are ext extremely valid where the life of 427 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: the child is put over the life of the mother. 428 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: But just the regular susan um or or tom or 429 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: the person who just simply ended up pregnant, be it 430 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: because of something severe or something that occurred to them 431 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: as terrible as a sexual harassment or even rape, or 432 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: simply I like you said, I met this person and 433 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: this happened, and I'm not ready for this in my life, 434 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: And why would I bring a child into a life 435 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: that I'm not prepared to raise them in. So I uh, 436 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: cheekies you you said something that I want to be 437 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: fair and I'm gonna be honest because you said, oh, well, 438 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't born with the silver spoon in 439 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 1: my mouth. I was when I was born, I wanted 440 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: for nothing, I had my village, right, Because here's the 441 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: funny thing. My parents not only do they have that village, 442 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: that is the Latino culture, which is Auelas and Aluelas, 443 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: And I can call my mom right now and she'll 444 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: be here in ten minutes if I need her. And 445 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: also I had the ability of, oh, if I needed 446 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: to call a driver, which I never did, but I'm 447 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: saying I had the ability to, you know, like I 448 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: didn't want for anything. And that perspective to me says, okay, 449 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: like you said, most of the uterus bearing human beings 450 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: who are having this experience, right, they are not the 451 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: ones making the decisions. The ones making the decisions are 452 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: the ones with the silver spoon, the one that can 453 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: travel to whatever city they want to acquire that doctor 454 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: and acquire that medical procedure. The women who are dying 455 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: or are not the people who are making the decisions. 456 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: We're going to have a loss of women that is 457 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: catastrophic as a result of You cannot stop people doing 458 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: what they need and want to do. What you're gonna 459 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: do is stop them from getting adequate care to do. 460 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: So it is not going to stop, is going to 461 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: keep going. And then as well as a result of 462 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: that um as a gay woman, you mentioned, well, how 463 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: do you feel as a gay woman? Jem said something 464 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: to me the other day that I was like, I 465 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: never even thought of that, because as a woman, I 466 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: feel so passionately about my body, and it's a shame 467 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: that I do because we are looked at in such 468 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: such an objective way. However, as a gay woman, what 469 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: happens when I have a straight daughter? What happens when 470 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: I have a daughter who is out there in the world, 471 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: that is my tribe that I need to take care of, 472 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: who now, like Jem says, grew up in a world 473 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: with less rights than me. That is ridiculous for what 474 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: for me to say in in three months time that 475 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: now her and I can't get married if we want to, 476 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: that we're afraid that if I'm dying in the hospital room, 477 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: she can't come in to say goodbye like these are. 478 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: That's why you say, be loud, be proud, and our 479 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: culture supports those things because we are a tribe and 480 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: we've always operated that way, and there's no shame in that. 481 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: It's about balance. You may you you've mentioned something very 482 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: very important that needs to be repeated. Abortions are not 483 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: going to end ever they've been They've have been happening 484 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: since the beginning of time. So let's be everyone listening 485 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: to me very clear about that. What's going to stop 486 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: from what's going to stop from happening is access to 487 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: adequate health to for these women. And that's what we 488 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: need to be protecting adequate health for these women. So 489 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: whether you're if you're pro life, you're pro adequate health, 490 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: that's what you should be fighting for. Yeah. Um, well, 491 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: speaking on that, Patty, I'd love to get your thoughts. 492 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: I know that you're a mom, You're raising two boys. 493 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: How is this going to impact their lives, other children's 494 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: lives who are growing up in this type of society 495 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: where we're limiting reproductive justice, reproductive rights. Um, I would 496 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: love to if you can share what kind of conversations 497 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: you've had with them, if you've had any conversations with 498 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: them so far. My children are still very eight young. 499 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: There there are still babies. Um so I'm not there. 500 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: I but what I want to as as their mother, 501 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: is raised them to believe and to understand that this 502 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: is not just a woman's problem, this is also their 503 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: problem and they have to join the fight as well 504 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: when they're ready. Um, and that's what I hope that 505 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: when they are ready to do that, they also are 506 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: as loud as we are. M Yeah, and what about you, cheeks. 507 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: I know you've shared your wishes that you hope to 508 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: have children of your own one day. How are you 509 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: How are you seeing this, um, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, 510 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: How is that going to impact you and your decisions? Uh? 511 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: Some of the women here have talked about how it's 512 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: not even about abortion. What about it if it's a 513 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: health concern and you have to have a certain procedure. Um. 514 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: I would love to to have your your thoughts on 515 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: that because now I feel like it's a little scary 516 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: to be pregnant in general, because anything can happen. The 517 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: mortality rate of black women of people of color in 518 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: this in this country when it comes to pregnancy and 519 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: going to the hospital is so high. It's like, I think, 520 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: the worst in the world. The numbers here in the 521 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: United States are staggering. It feels like we're living on 522 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: another planet. UM. So I'd love to get your thoughts 523 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: on someone who's thinking and considering about getting pregnant one day. Yeah. Well, 524 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm in my late thirties, you know, I'm thirty seven, 525 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: and I've thought about it. Have endometriosis, I have hormone issues. 526 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: So I'm on hormone therapy and I'm not on birth 527 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: control right now. Um, so there's a chance I can 528 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: get pregnant at any time. And there's also a chance 529 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: because I am taking two sastone you know, drops that 530 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: um my baby, my unborn child can have you know. 531 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: Um it's the health issues or or what I'm looking 532 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: for the word, um birth defects. Yeah, complications, you know, 533 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: and I'm well aware of that, you know. Um, It's 534 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: just it's difficult because I'm like, Okay, well, what if 535 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: I do encounter that situation? Am I going to have 536 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: to or I can't. I can't have an abortion? And 537 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: if I do have one, am I gonna be? Is 538 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: it gonna be? Am I going to be? You know 539 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: obviously with some of my family members that it'll be 540 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: frowned upon. Am I a bad person? You know? I 541 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: thought about that. I'm like, oh my, should I keep 542 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: this child even if it does have their like birth defects? 543 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: Now we have those resources to see to see, you know, 544 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: and to have that choice, but it makes you. I 545 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't feel guilty, you know what I mean, because I 546 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: have wanted to wait, because I did raise my siblings, 547 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: because I do have a career going on right now. Um, 548 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: and it just it does. It concerns me. It Like 549 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: I said, I've said the word upset. It makes me 550 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: very angry, but it does you know, I think of 551 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: my my sisters as well, you know. Um, It's just 552 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: it's just really sad that this is our reality right now. 553 00:31:54,120 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: And because I I personally, I've thought about it a lot, 554 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: because of my age, I really have well to share 555 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: a little bit just based on your thoughts. Um. I'm married. 556 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: My husband and I have been having having the conversations 557 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: about trying to get pregnant for quite some time, and 558 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: we did get pregnant last year. I was four months 559 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: along and my doctor told me that due to health issues, 560 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: I would have to terminate my child. And it was 561 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: a child that we really really wanted, and I got 562 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: a second opinion about it. I did every possible thing, 563 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, that we could have done in that moment 564 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: to make the best decision for ourselves, for our family 565 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: with our doctors, and I still had to terminate the 566 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: child at four months, and so I when I heard 567 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: the news, it was not only was it triggering, but 568 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: also I was scared as hell. I was like, yes, 569 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: we live in a in a state where, um, some 570 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: of the rights are still protected. But if I had 571 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: been in any other state, I would have been prosecuted. 572 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: I would have been sent to jail potentially because I 573 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: was making a sorry, yeah we're lifting I thank you, 574 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Um So, I totally understand, um 575 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: that those health concerns that you're talking about, and for 576 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: for all the women out there who are who are 577 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: considering getting pregnant, that is a real concern. Um So, 578 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: before we close out today, any any last thoughts that 579 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: anybody would like to share on a personal level or 580 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: just an overall thought on on today's topic, I'll just 581 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: say thank you so much. I mean, it's these conversations 582 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: are where we continue the fight, you know, because fighting 583 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: is not about violence, It's not about this. It's trying 584 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: to figure out how we can build a bridge between 585 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, what people understand and what they don't. So 586 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: thank you. It was an honor for me, and I 587 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: hope to see a future where I'm not worried about 588 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: my my potential child's rights, so let's work towards that. 589 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's really wonderful to be amongst 590 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: other Latino women who are moving this conversation forward, because 591 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: the Latin community, you know, tends to feel differently on 592 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: this issue. So it's it's actually really inspiring that we're 593 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: all here, Um, kind of beating to the same drum. Yeah, 594 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. It's it's lovely too to see 595 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: how intellectual and informed everyone is and help passionate more 596 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: than anything. So I'm so grateful that I was able 597 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: to have this conversation with you guys. Arlene, thank you 598 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: so much, Um, Patty and Emily like jem you guys, 599 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: honestly thank you and everyone. You guys can binge the 600 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: entire season of Out of the Shadows now, Patty, do 601 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,959 Speaker 1: you want to tell us what the podcast is about 602 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: real quick? Yeah, So, Out of the Shadows tells the 603 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: moment in history when President Ronald Reagan signed a bill 604 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: that gave over three million immigrants amnesty, essentially allowing uh 605 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: them and their children the opportunity to come out of 606 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: the shadows and work toward the American dream. And we 607 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: are a product of that Children of Lady six. I 608 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: love that. Share your socials too, so everyone can find you. Well, 609 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: you can go out of the show find me, or 610 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: you can go in our own world part of the network. 611 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: Listen when we're in our own sea with cheeks. I'm 612 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: telling you, if we're not here, we're there. So this 613 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: is a fam. Bam joined the family. Listen to us beautiful. 614 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: Did you share your your social Yes, you can find 615 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: me on Instagram at Patti Rodriguez and Emily has become friends. Yes, 616 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 1: Emily and jem Um. You guys, tell me a little 617 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: bit about your podcast and share socials please. Oh man, 618 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: So we have a space travel pot cast. It's the 619 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: cheapest space travel you'll ever do, because we actually don't 620 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: go to space, just in our minds that we're a couple. 621 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: That sounds fun. It's fun. It is fun. 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