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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Bill Douglass back with us. Author, novelist, poet. His books

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Speaker 2: on Mind, Body, for Health and Life Transformation are based

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Speaker 2: on his forty plus years of teaching mind body and

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Speaker 2: many of the world's largest health systems, corporations, schools, and prisons.

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Speaker 2: Bill is the founder of two global movements, World TIChE

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Speaker 2: Day and the Global Transformation Project. His websites are linked

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Speaker 2: up at Coast TOCOASTAM dot com.

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Speaker 3: Bill, welcome back.

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Speaker 4: How have you been, Hi, George good. It's so good

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Speaker 4: to be back and talking to you. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about you about your second edition book

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Speaker 2: of the Gospel of Science of Mind, blowing new science

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Speaker 2: on ancient truths to heal our stressed lives and planets.

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Speaker 2: And we surely need to do that right now, don't we?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: How'd you get involved in all of this?

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Speaker 4: Well, I other had post traumatic stress disorder from World

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Speaker 4: War Two, and so after I had my own kids,

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Speaker 4: I started getting therapy, and the therapist he just happened

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Speaker 4: to work at the VA and so he understood I

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Speaker 4: was dealing with PTSD, and he asked me if I'd

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Speaker 4: ever tried meditation or mind body practices, and I'd never really,

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Speaker 4: and so but then he sparked my interest, and so

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Speaker 4: I enrolled in a class and it just made me

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Speaker 4: feel so much better that I stuck with it. And

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Speaker 4: then I just did it for myself for years and

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Speaker 4: years and years. But then at some point people started

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Speaker 4: asking me, you know, what I was doing, and if

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Speaker 4: I would teach them, and so I started teaching classes

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Speaker 4: and then eventually I started my first hospital class, and

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Speaker 4: that's that's where everything changed. That's when I realized that

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Speaker 4: mind body practices can well. According to doctor Herbert Benson

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Speaker 4: at Harvard, they can prevent or treat between six ninety

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Speaker 4: percent of the health issues that send us to the doctor,

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Speaker 4: and that was backed up by a Kaiser study that

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Speaker 4: found that about seventy percent of the health issues sending

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Speaker 4: people their doctors were caused by stress.

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Speaker 2: I believe that is there a science behind this bill

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Speaker 2: or is there something else?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's tons of science behind it. Now. We kind

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Speaker 4: of looked at these mind body practices is kind of

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Speaker 4: a mystical thing. But as science is becoming more effective

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Speaker 4: and able to see things in bigger ways. What we're

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Speaker 4: starting to realize is that these things are actually high sciences.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's like a lot of people sometimes

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Speaker 4: in the classes, they think that mind body practices like meditation,

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Speaker 4: tai chi chi, going yoga, mindfulness, they think that they're

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Speaker 4: kind of, you know, esoteric, mystical Chinese and Indian things.

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Speaker 4: But actually what they all do is they all bring

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Speaker 4: the brainwaves into what's known as an alpha brainwave state,

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Speaker 4: and that's the most natural thing in the world. In fact,

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Speaker 4: when we were children, we were in an alpha brainwave state,

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Speaker 4: a meditative state up most of the time up to

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Speaker 4: about age seven, and then that's when we started to

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Speaker 4: lose touch without ability, and when we were young, that's

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Speaker 4: when we healed much faster, and it's also when we

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Speaker 4: learned at an incredibly accelerated rate. And so what the

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Speaker 4: Indians and the Chinese did through the development of yoga

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Speaker 4: that they created these really effective mind body sciences that

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Speaker 4: help us regain that youthful ability that we had as children.

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Speaker 4: So it's really just a real natural thing.

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Speaker 2: You nearly died several years ago. You weighed down to

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Speaker 2: one hundred pounds. What the heck happened to you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it was a common nation of things I

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Speaker 4: I got really sick. I had an intestinal block and

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Speaker 3: Did you have cancer at the time, Yeah, it was malignant.

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Speaker 4: It was an intestinal block that was malignant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: And how did you heal yourself?

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Speaker 4: Well, I, you know, I started, you know, lots of

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Speaker 4: when I first started teaching, my teacher gave me a

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Speaker 4: and he discovered chigong and it healed him. But then

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Speaker 4: And that's what I did. I did exactly what my

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Speaker 4: and it was transformative. I mean, it just it heals

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Speaker 3: Bill tell us what consciousness means to.

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Speaker 4: You, Well, it's our awareness. You know. What we tend

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Speaker 4: And so we actually do exercises in my classes where

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Speaker 4: we just practiced just letting our eyes unfocused, where you're

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Speaker 4: seeing everything but nothing in particular, and then it's an

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Speaker 4: easy step from there to teach people how to just

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Speaker 3: And when it does, what happens tons of things.

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Speaker 4: Our immune system gets profoundly boosted. There was a UCLA

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Speaker 4: study with Taichi that showed that the Taichi practitioners had

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Speaker 4: workers who had high T sale counts were much less

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Speaker 4: they were much less likely to have severe symptoms from

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Speaker 4: And that's just only you know that immune boosting, although

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Speaker 4: that's a huge thing, especially today, you know, we should

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Speaker 4: be teaching kids how to do that. But also at

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Speaker 4: the same time, it's making your brain larger and more effective.

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Speaker 4: It's increasing bone mass and connective tissue. You know, it

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Speaker 4: amazing things because you know, like I've had doctors come

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Speaker 4: you know, it was improving their lives on multiple different levels.

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Speaker 4: And in fact, one of the physicians that was in

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Speaker 4: And he was so amazed seeing everything and the benefits

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Speaker 4: er and he started his own naturopathic medicine practice that's

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Speaker 4: still very successful all these years later.

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Speaker 3: That's truly remarkable. Is it a miracle?

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Speaker 4: It feels like a miracle, George, I think it was. Oh,

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Speaker 4: it was some famous science fiction writer, Arthur C. Clark.

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Speaker 4: He said that magic is science that we don't yet understand,

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Speaker 4: and it seems like magic when you're experiencing the benefits

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Speaker 4: It's like they grow as you do the practices over

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Speaker 2: You have said that science shows that we can reduce

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Speaker 4: How Yeah. One of the things that happens when we

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Speaker 4: and compassion parts of our brain actually get larger, physically larger,

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Speaker 4: not positive about that, but I have it cited in

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Speaker 4: second edition of Gospel Science, I have it all with

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Speaker 4: rates correspondingly descended. And this has been replicated in many studies.

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Speaker 4: after the study wasd So we could be saving so

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Speaker 4: much money. And I actually I actually taught Taichian meditation

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Speaker 4: and they'd already had it for two years. And what

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Speaker 4: our health system is just pharmaceutical driven.

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Speaker 2: It sounds a little like the practice and teachings of

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Speaker 4: Well, that's one of the things that I get into

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Speaker 4: in the Gospel of Science, the New second Edition, is

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Speaker 4: all this meticulously noted in the Gospel of Science. And

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Speaker 4: it while you're driving. It'll change your life. It changed

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Speaker 2: We're talking about that sounds like the practices of Jesus

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Speaker 4: Right, and uh and and so as I'm looking at

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Speaker 4: these mindfulness practices, they call it gratitude consciousness and gratitude.

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Speaker 4: When we're in a state of gratitude consciousness, it's profoundly healing.

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Speaker 4: In fact, it's so powerful that they can actually see

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Speaker 4: There was a study, a twenty year study with thousands

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