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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Every day most of us

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Speaker 1: in the morning. That is not the case for Mom Janet,

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Speaker 1: her six year old little boy, Jojo, seemingly vanishes into

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Speaker 1: thin air. There is still a chance to bring Jojo

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Speaker 1: home alive. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in

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Speaker 1: series eleven. First of all, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: This is an emberreller. There are certain criteria that need

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Speaker 1: to be met for that to be issued. Among them,

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Speaker 1: law enforcement needs to believe that there's a chance that

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Speaker 1: the child could be in harm's way. So let's show

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Speaker 1: you who he is. This is the boy. His full

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Speaker 1: name is Jogei Garriel Morales. His nickname is Jojo. He

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Speaker 1: is a six year old boy with autism. He's got

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Speaker 1: brown hair, brown eyes, about three feet tall, weighing about

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want to go out. We've got

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Speaker 1: an all star panel joining us. But first I want

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Speaker 1: to go out to JoJo's mother, Janet consis joining us. Janet,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Janet explained to me how his autism is affecting him.

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Speaker 1: It's such a wide spectrum. Very often autistic children can

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Speaker 1: be streamlined into school. People that don't understand autism would

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Speaker 1: six year old JoJo's artism. How can he function through

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Speaker 1: therapy that we have been working very hard with him. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's able to communicate now and express himself. Um. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: expressive now. And he can walk up to somebody and

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Speaker 1: but it's in a very um in a very particular way,

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Speaker 1: like other kids. Right now, he plays very parallel to UM.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't like playing with other kids. He just likes

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Speaker 1: to wash them. But we were working on a lot

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Speaker 1: the age of three to neurologist. Once he was diagnosed

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Speaker 1: They meet with psychology, a speech therapy, behavioral therapist. We

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Speaker 1: to go to high profile Atlanta trial lawyer, Emory Law School, professor,

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Speaker 1: When his daughter was Polly was kidnapped, he has since

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you recall the time that my son, John

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Speaker 1: And I'm hearing Janet concepts. You don't describe everything she's

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Speaker 1: forward one inch in life, and now some a hole

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Speaker 1: just doesn't stop. Mark class what about it? Well, there's

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Speaker 1: obviously no better advocate for this child on earth than

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Speaker 1: ten detectives are considering this a kidnapping case, which is

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Speaker 1: why that Amber alert is in effect. These are the

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Speaker 1: billboards you'll likely see a major high waisted out South Florida.

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Speaker 1: The hope is that with an umber alert out will

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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist, and you can find her at panther at

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Speaker 1: mitigation dot com doctor Sherry Schwartz. Nobody likes to be

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Speaker 1: taken out of their routine, Nobody, especially children, and especially

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Speaker 1: routine and it greatly disturbs them. That's absolutely right. One

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Speaker 1: of the reasons, Nancy, is because for autistic children there

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Speaker 1: him so much. Janet Lyle's concepcione is beside herself, unable

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Speaker 1: Now we're learning more about who took Jojo. Taking us

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Explain describe this area

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is Joe Careo, private investigator with

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Speaker 1: Leverage Investigations LEVERAGEPI dot com founder Bringing Them Home project. Joe,

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Speaker 1: the word is ending, and these are all very concerning.

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00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean as a six year old, I mean, let's

429
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: talk about candy, let's talk about something else. And it

430
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: was it was very concerning to me. And I will

431
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: sit with my son every time that I will get

432
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: him from him. I will have to sit with my

433
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: son and explain to him that the devil is not

434
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: out to get him, that nobody is out to get him,

435
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: that he's only six years old, and and I will

436
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: try to just, you know, get that in his hand.

437
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: Even though he didn't fully comprehend when he was saying

438
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: because of the autism. He would just repeat words. But

439
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: it was still very concerning, even though he didn't know

440
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: what it meant, you know. And and he just became

441
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: a person that I don't know. I don't know this person.

442
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know this guy. And people keep asking me

443
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: about him or I don't know him. I don't know

444
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: this guy. I don't know what he became. I have

445
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: no idea what happened to him. Did he start morphing

446
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: and to a religious fanatic during the marriage, Did you

447
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: see it happening or did it happen after you guys

448
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: split up? It was after we split up, and I

449
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: know he was going to church and he became very

450
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: involved in church. And then around a year, around a

451
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: year and a half, they stopped going to church and

452
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: a and I asked my son, because I will ask him, ay,

453
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: did you go to church? Do you see your friends?

454
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: And he told me no, we don't go to that

455
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: church anymore. The church is praising the devil too, and

456
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: that's what my son would tell me. So I don't

457
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: know if they were going to another church. Okay, wait

458
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: a minute. A six year old little boy, obviously repeating

459
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: what his father had said, says, the church was praising

460
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: the devil, yes, you know, daughter Cherish Wartz. Even little

461
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: children that don't have autism, so all normal children are

462
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: afraid of the devil. When my children first saw somebody

463
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: dressed up like the devil at Halloween, they were so

464
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: we had not talked about the devil per se or Satan.

465
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: They got so scared they were really little. They wouldn't

466
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: even say the word devil. They still to this day

467
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: called Satan the d guy. They will not even say

468
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: the name like Valdemort. You're not supposed to say his

469
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: name or may conjure him up much less this fear

470
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: to an autistic child. Well, and the thing is, when

471
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: we're told stories about Satan and the devil, it is

472
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: a form of social control, right to try to control

473
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: someone's behavior and get them on a path that is

474
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: opposite of whatever the devil stands for. So you're absolutely

475
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: right when you're saying this to a child. The images

476
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: that disconjuous for a child, and in particular a special

477
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: needs child is something that it's cruel. It's a level

478
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: of cruelty. I can't imagine any one doing that with

479
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: child blood, a love their parents, crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,

480
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: the situation for Jojo is so serious. He is with

481
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: his religious fanatic father and the Hinch person, believe it

482
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: or not, the grandma Janet, what about this grandma? How

483
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: does she get wrote into this? She agrees with all

484
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: this religious fanaticism. Um, she moved back in when I

485
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: when I divorced her son and um and they were

486
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: always together. They isolated everybody else, they pushed away everybody else,

487
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: and he which just her him and that was it. Um.

488
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: When I got divorced. She made sure to tell me

489
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: that she was going to show me what a divorce

490
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: was and ever seen he's just being a bottle. And

491
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: she has never agreed with the divorce, also saying that

492
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: that's a devil seeing to do. And and she just

493
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: became her advocate and when nobody else would because nobody

494
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: else will advocate from him, So she just became her advocate. Guys,

495
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: let's go straight to our cuts ten and eleven, take

496
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: a list to our friends at PLG. Here's another look

497
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: at those involved. You see six year old hold Jojo Morales,

498
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: his father, forty five year old Hold Morales. There is

499
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: a warrant out for his arrest. Police say that they

500
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: may be accompanied by the boy's paternal grandmother, sixty eight

501
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: year old Lillian Pega Moralist. She's the person that the

502
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: mother says, I came to pick him up the day

503
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: of the day that he went missing. That was the

504
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: last person to pick him up. She usually facilitates with

505
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: the handoffs between mom and dad. Let's show you dad's car.

506
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: This is a gray two thousand and six Ford Expedition

507
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: with the license plate CSIU fifty three. Local ten did

508
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: speak with a boy's mother on Monday about how she

509
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: and JoJo's father have been in a contentious custody battle

510
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: ever since they split up three years ago. She is

511
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: begging for JoJo's safe return. I'm afraid, I'm terrified. I'm

512
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: really broken. I just wish that you will know that

513
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: we're looking for him and more from Bridget Manner. Listen.

514
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Days later, police found a potential clue close to two

515
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: thousand miles away, this suv. Main State Police say the

516
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: three may have been in the suv. It was found

517
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: in Littleton, Maine, near the Canadian border. Conceptsion is working

518
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: with private investigator Joe Carrillo, who's worked thousands of missing

519
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: persons cases. Well, I think it's a very dangerous case.

520
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: It's not the run of the mill. And with us

521
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: on the private investigator who has handled literally thousands of

522
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: missing person's cases, Joe Career is with us with leverage investigations. Joe,

523
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 1: I agree with you, this is not the run of

524
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: the Meal case. Now, finding the SEV was significant, but

525
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you mean and all of

526
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: your experience about this not being a run of the

527
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: meal case. Well, I think I think like the attorney

528
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: is right on with he's saying that we have a

529
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: very complacent attitude towards these content child custody cases here

530
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: in Miami. There was a lot of this evidence that's

531
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: coming out now that you have heard and are putting

532
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: on your show today of the videos of Jojo saying

533
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: these horrible things, and the judges just so would not

534
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: have part of it. And I think that is to

535
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: blame for the delay in the Amber alert and so forth.

536
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of interest is being put on the father.

537
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: I think the grandmother needs to have a really hard

538
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: look at it. I think she's a one driving this ship.

539
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: You know, everybody has worked very hard to Miami Dade

540
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: Police Department doing a parallel investigation that we've been doing

541
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: on the ground has led us to a very remote

542
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: area in Maine. It's an area that is exactly how

543
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: Jojo has been describing where Daddy wanted to go to live.

544
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: There are plenty of wind meals up there, plenty of remoteness,

545
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: and I think we're in the right area. The fact

546
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: that the word is getting out now, I think we're

547
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: going to have a good conclusion, and I think that

548
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: conclusion is not going to take too long. But there

549
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: is a lot to worry about with the father. He

550
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: can tell you that the father is believed to be

551
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: armed and he's a very dangerous person. So if anybody

552
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: sees him, do not approach him. I know everybody wants

553
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: to go rescue a six year old child in need,

554
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: but call the people that know. I think we need

555
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: to be very careful here. This is one of those

556
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: cases that comes out of thousands that is a very

557
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: dangerous of custody case. You know. I think you're right.

558
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: And Mark class joining us, a founder of Class Kids

559
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: Foundation who has worked as like Joe Correo on thousands

560
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: of missing children cases. Mark, I'm afraid that if he's cornered,

561
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: the dad may start shooting. Well, that's obvious possibility. I'll

562
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: tell you Janet, listen, I've been through what you're going through.

563
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: I was missing my child for two months, and what

564
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: I can tell you is that you have to stay strong.

565
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: You have to put your faith in law enforcement and

566
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: in your private investigator. You have to strive to get sleep,

567
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: you have to eat something, You have to take care

568
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: of your personal needs because Jojoe needs you now more

569
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: than he's ever needed you before. If you just do

570
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: those things, and you stay strong. Hopefully you'll get your

571
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: child back sooner rather than later, and you can continue

572
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: on with his healing and trying to ensure that he

573
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: has the good life that he deserves. To you, Joe Carrio,

574
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: you were saying that you think the grandmother, the paternal grandmother,

575
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: the father's mother, is driving the bus. Why do you

576
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: believe that? Why would he fall for everything? His mother says,

577
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: I've got grown kids that are married and divorced and

578
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: divorces between a couple. But when when the family members

579
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: start to make threats to and that divorced very the

580
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: grandmother has made to Janet, then you come to not

581
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: only the assumption the knowledge that there's not one bad

582
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 1: person here and Jo's mother going along. There are two

583
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: very bad people that took Jojo to Janet. This is

584
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: JoJo's mother. If the father Jorhai, I can hear you

585
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: right now? What is your message to him to please

586
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: do the right thing, not to stop himselfish is not

587
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: about him, This is not about me, This is about

588
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: This is about Georgie. And Jojo needs his routine, he

589
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: needs his therapy, he needs his friends around, He needs

590
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: to be doing the same thing he does every day.

591
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: He needs to be setting off his alarms like he

592
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: always does, and he needs to go back to his

593
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: normalsy don't you He's putting him in in danger. He's

594
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: this is not normal for him. This is a not

595
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: a routine for him. And he needs his mother. And

596
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: just like he needs his mother, Georgie needs his mother

597
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: to you know, nobody better incapable to to to look

598
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: out for for the kids than a mother, you know,

599
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: and and to please do the right thing. Please do

600
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: the right thing. Janet, let me understand what Jack Korea

601
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: I was saying. He showed a Florida judge these videos

602
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: where JoJo's talking about his dad says he's going to

603
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: go to heaven before he's seven or eight, and all

604
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: the fear about the devil and how he's going to

605
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: be an angel. He showed that to the judge, and

606
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: the judge still gave the dad partial custody. We don't

607
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: we don't do videos on court. Third, I don't think

608
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: they are miserable, but we did document it. I did

609
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: emergency emotions, and is what we were all saying. They're

610
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing by the kid, and

611
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: through documentation we documented the thing that my son were

612
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: saying with my lawyer. I understand, Randy Kessler, such a

613
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: video is allowed when an autistic child cannot speak as normal.

614
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: That's a yes, no right. Yes. Some family law is

615
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: unique in that. Let it all in, figure out what's better.

616
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: I know. I don't know what this judge was thinking,

617
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: but here we are now. According to Joe Carrio, he

618
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: believes Jog Joe, a kidnapped six year old little autistic boy,

619
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: is being held in a remote area of Maine near

620
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: the Canadian border. Please help us bring this child home alive.

621
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: There is still time to save him. Tipline one eight

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00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: eight eight fl Missing one eight eight eight three five

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Speaker 1: six four seven seven four. Goodbye friend,