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Speaker 1: her predominant hand. She just kept her right hand despite

426
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Speaker 1: having only a thumb and a pinky finger. So then

427
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Speaker 1: it comes time for little JP to come along, and

428
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Speaker 1: she is my mem and she taught me to read,

429
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Speaker 1: but she taught me to write too. Mema wrote like this,

430
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Speaker 1: If you're not able to see what I'm doing, Mema

431
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Speaker 1: just wrote with a pinky finger and a thumb. Now,

432
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Speaker 1: I want you to grab the nearest writing instrument that

433
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Speaker 1: you have, and I want you to feel that peaky

434
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Speaker 1: and thumb. And she had better penmanship then than I

435
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Speaker 1: have now. Mema was what a lot of your favorite

436
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Speaker 1: artists claim they are in their music these days. None

437
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: of your favorite artists are savage enough to have gone

438
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Speaker 1: through life and kept their predominant hand with just a

439
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Speaker 1: thumb and a pinky and then taught me to write.

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Speaker 1: She ended up being a nurse, by the way, So

441
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Speaker 1: Mema was mem was a different breed. So that's one

442
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Speaker 1: of my favorite me Moll stories. You asked me for more,

443
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Speaker 1: I'll be happy to give you some more. Next up,

444
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Speaker 1: Ethan asked, do you think Michigan's recent recruiting shortcomings relative

445
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Speaker 1: to their standards will affect their next season or two

446
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Speaker 1: in a significant way, or will player development and other

447
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: players be at a high enough level to compensate. From Indianapolis, Indiana,

448
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Speaker 1: Ethan makes an interesting point, or rather he asks an

449
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Speaker 1: interesting question here. This is a question a lot of

450
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Speaker 1: people in our industry are wondering. So Michigan's won back

451
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Speaker 1: to back Big Ten championships, They've gone to back to

452
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Speaker 1: back playoffs. Harball flirted with the NFL one time really seriously,

453
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: another time pretty seriously. But now he feels like he's said,

454
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Speaker 1: at Michigan for a little while, and history tells you

455
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Speaker 1: they should be top five recruiting right now. And they're

456
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Speaker 1: not bad, but they're not an elite recruiting outfit. And

457
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Speaker 1: Ethan's asking, will the fact that they're not parlaying that

458
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Speaker 1: success on the field to big time recruiting off the field?

459
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: Will that catch them? You know? Will that cost them?

460
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: And so the follow up was or are they just

461
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Speaker 1: developing players good enough where they don't have to recruit

462
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: top five classes? There's a healthy mixture of both. I

463
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: would love to see them up their recruiting effort to

464
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Speaker 1: notch and there are some early returns in this recruiting

465
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: cycle that they're doing that, so I don't want to

466
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Speaker 1: sell them short. And also you got to keep in

467
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: mind this is the transfer portal era, and they've done

468
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: a really good job, especially this last cycle in the

469
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: portal era, and they're not a poverty program, so they're

470
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Speaker 1: not having to go out and just wholesale patchwork their

471
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Speaker 1: roster with desperation additions out of the portal. They're able

472
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Speaker 1: to say, Okay, we don't really need anything, but we

473
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Speaker 1: want a few pieces, let's go into the portal. Let's

474
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Speaker 1: be selective. And they've done that and they've been fine.

475
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Speaker 1: But they were thirteenth in twenty twenty one they were ninth,

476
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Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two they were seventeenth this past recruit cycle.

477
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: That's just high school recruiting, and so under Jim Harrible,

478
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: if you just add it all up, they average about

479
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Speaker 1: the fourteenth rated class in the country. And ethan, if

480
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Speaker 1: you develop like they do and you have just a

481
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Speaker 1: rock solid culture and identity and there's no doubt who

482
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Speaker 1: you are and what you're about, I think it's good enough.

483
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: Well here's what it's good enough to do it's good

484
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: enough to do what they've done in the past two years.

485
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Speaker 1: It's good enough to win the Big Ten. It's good

486
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Speaker 1: enough to beat Ohio State if you operate at a

487
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: high enough level, if you execute in that game, it's

488
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Speaker 1: good enough to do that, And it's good enough to

489
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Speaker 1: get you a Big Ten championship and get you to

490
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Speaker 1: the playoff. I don't think Michigan is the caliber of

491
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Speaker 1: program right now that could run up against a Georgia

492
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Speaker 1: or an Alabama in the playoff or TCU as it

493
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Speaker 1: turns out. But I think about that game a little

494
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Speaker 1: bit differently. But run up against Georgia the year before.

495
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Speaker 1: Georgia does the same stuff you do. They dive their

496
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Speaker 1: players too. They have a rock solid culture too. They

497
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Speaker 1: have a firm understanding of their identity too. The difference

498
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: is they got better players than you, and they do

499
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So when that's the matchup, you saw

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Speaker 1: what happened two years ago in the playoffs, and it

501
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: would be the same way against an Alabama if you

502
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Speaker 1: had to run up against them. So if if what

503
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: Michigan's doing now is good enough, and I don't want

504
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: to I don't want to sound like you know a

505
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: couple of questions ago when we were talking about these

506
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Speaker 1: people who who don't understand how good it is to

507
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Speaker 1: be at the level that a Michigan or a Pence

508
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: theate is. Right now, I don't want to talk like that.

509
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound ungrateful or unappreciative or myopic.

510
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Speaker 1: But you also have a window. We have windows in

511
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Speaker 1: this sport, and you never know how large your window's

512
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Speaker 1: going to be. In Michigan's in a window right now,

513
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: a national championship window. Are they going to be able

514
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Speaker 1: to get one? That? We don't know, But I will

515
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: tell you ethan if they don't, if they don't bring

516
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Speaker 1: a different caliber athlete on campus, I don't know that.

517
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Speaker 1: I foresee on the horizon them matching up with the

518
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: Alabamas and Georgia's of the world in the playoff and

519
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: coming out on top. Now it's a four quarter scenario.

520
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: It's one game. So who knows any any given what

521
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: we played the title games on Monday, any given Monday. Yeah,

522
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: how authentically college football is? That phrase? Don't get me started.

523
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: But I do appreciate the development up there. I do

524
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: appreciate the culture. I do appreciate the identity. All right,

525
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: moving on, Ziah Plash, can you tell him playing chapstick

526
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: right now? There we go, Not lipstick, just chapstick. Don't worry, mema.

527
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: Frankie hit us up and said, hey, best barbecue in

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Speaker 1: the sec from Lowell, Arkansas. Well, that's very easy because

529
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Speaker 1: it's in the state in which you reside, Frankie, it is,

530
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: writes barbecue in Fayetteville up in Arkansas. Went up there

531
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: last year. The first stop on the Every Given Saturday

532
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: tour last year was Fayettville, Arkansas for Cincinnati versus Arkansas.

533
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: I was in the throes of caffeine overdose at the time.

534
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: As regular listeners of the pop we'll recall, I couldn't

535
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: see very well. I was having to ray Charles my

536
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: way around up there. We're in sunglasses indoors, but I

537
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: did manage to remove the shades to take some pictures

538
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: with our friends up there, it writes barbecue. They're also

539
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: very active in the community up there. You would call

540
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: them a pillar, I guess, a pillar of the community.

541
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Speaker 1: So all of our buddies there took care of us,

542
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: hooked us up, They fed us like it was our

543
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: last meal, and it was a wonderful, wonderful time. So

544
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: I have not exhausted the entire phone book of barbecue

545
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: joints in the South. You know, I love Clearview Barbecue

546
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: and Columbus Country's Barbecue, and Columbus has always been a

547
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: great friend of mine. I was in a band once

548
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: upon a time called eighty five South, and we played

549
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: at countries and got in trouble for some underage drinking

550
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: happening in the parking lot. We didn't know. How am

551
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: I supposed to know? I'm on a drum set. How

552
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: am I supposed to know? You learn more about me

553
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: every day, don't you, so, writes Barbecue. Though, as far

554
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: as being on the road, that's the best I've had

555
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: in the SEC. All right, let's roll it on Benjamin

556
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: and asked, what are some head coaching hires that you

557
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: thought were just certain to go well but they turned

558
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: out to be underwhelming or maybe a complete disaster. I

559
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: was sure that Charlie Strong was a great hire at

560
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: Texas and it just didn't go well. Current Town, Fair Oaks, California. Well, Benjamin,

561
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: I've got two of them. Neither of them are Charlie Strong,

562
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: though I got two of them, And what I've learned

563
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: before I give you the names. What I've learned in

564
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: having the access that we get to have in our

565
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: business is you get more of the full story behind

566
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: the scenes of when a hire does or doesn't work out.

567
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: And I used to think this stuff was so cut

568
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: and dry. I used to think that it was you

569
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: bring a guy in and he's given whatever he asks for,

570
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: and he either sinks or swims based on his merit.

571
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: In a perfect world, that's what happens. This is not

572
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: a perfect world, as as Red said, and shaw Shank

573
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: prison is no fairytale world. Well, college football is not either.

574
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: And the bottom line is, sometimes you're brought in. Sometimes

575
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: you're desperate, so you take any offer you can get.

576
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're not desperate, you're in demand, and someone dresses

577
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: up their offer in their program their job to be

578
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: a little bit rosier than it actually is under the surface,

579
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: and you don't find out until it's too late, and

580
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you get there and you're getting

581
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: told no on things that your opponents get told yes

582
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: is on. But the fans don't know that, media don't

583
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: know that. They just show up on Saturday. And if

584
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: you don't beat the other guy, even though he's getting

585
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: a bunch more things handed to him behind the scenes

586
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: than you. You shoulder to blame and you get paid

587
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: millions of dollars, so no one feels sorry for you.

588
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: So that's what I've realized, and therefore I never just

589
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: look at guys, or I rarely look at guys and

590
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: say failure, failure, because I know the stories. You know.

591
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: So the first one Scott Frost when he was at

592
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: Central Florida and he's a Nebraska guy, and Nebraska has

593
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: an opening, and Scott Frost is doing really good at

594
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: Central Florida, and they hired him at Nebraska. I don't

595
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: know anyone. There may have been people out there, but

596
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: I never talked to anyone whose opinion I respected, who

597
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: told me, oh, Scott Frost ain't gonna make it at Nebraska. No,

598
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: that's a bad hire, that dude's gonna fail. I certainly

599
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: didn't sound like that. If you did, more power to you,

600
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: I didn't think so. I thought he was a great hire.

601
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was here's the word of the year.

602
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: It was the perfect confluence. He's available, they've got an opening,

603
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: they're desperate. He wants to go back home because remember

604
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: what the talk was. The talk was, oh, Nebraska can't

605
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: get an in demand coach. But it just so happened

606
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: that one of the coaches who was most in demand

607
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: happened to happen to have that Nebraska tie. And Scott

608
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: Frost goes up there and his records were four and eight,

609
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: five and seven, three and five in the COVID year,

610
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: three and nine the next year, and then started one

611
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: and two last year. He never finished higher than seventeenth

612
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: in recruiting. He was twenty third, seventeenth, twentieth, te twentieth,

613
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: and forty first in his last cycle. It just never happened.

614
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: He finished sixteen and thirty one overall. I didn't see

615
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: that coming. And here was the worst part. At the

616
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Speaker 1: end of his tenure. I remember doing a segment Jesse

617
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: and Colin. We did a segment when he got when

618
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: he got fired, and I remember saying, the biggest indictment

619
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Speaker 1: on Scott Frost is five years in or four years

620
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: in change into his tenure at Nebraska. If you ask

621
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: me what is Nebraska football, I wouldn't know how to

622
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: answer you. They didn't really have an identity. It's just

623
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. And so that didn't work out. The

624
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: other one that I was ultra excited about at the

625
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: time was Jeff Collins coming to Georgia Tech. That's another

626
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: guy that was from Atlanta. He grew up around the program,

627
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: had he had an attachment to the program, kind of

628
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: like Scott Frost, and this was happening around the same time.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think Colins may have been hired

630
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: one year after Frost did. So he comes in there

631
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: and that program was on life support when they got

632
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: rid of Paul Johnson. You know two things. Number one,

633
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: you need to completely overhaul everything there. You're going to

634
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: bring a guy in and he has triple option personnel

635
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: on his roster, so he's got to be given time.

636
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: And he went three and nine, three and seven, three

637
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: and nine, and then they started off one and three

638
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: this past year and he got fired. And so I

639
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: thought that it was the perfect match at the perfect

640
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: time back in twenty nineteen. Well, here's what I think

641
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: happened there. He came in and then the COVID year

642
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: was the next year, So the year that they were

643
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: really going to be able to sink their teeth into

644
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: fully overhauling their roster. You can't go out on the

645
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: road all of a sudden, And this is not unique

646
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: to Jeff Collins. There were some coaches out there. There

647
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: are guys who don't have jobs today that I think

648
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: would have had jobs had COVID not happen. And the

649
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: old retort from the back corner is, well, everybody had

650
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: to deal with it, Yeah, but everyone wasn't at the

651
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: same point in their careers, r at the same point

652
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: in their journey. In other words, Nick Saban had it

653
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: a little bit easier at Alabama than a Jeff Collins

654
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: did it Georgia Tech. I guess I am making excuses,

655
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: but whatever, that's reality. And like I said, he's not

656
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: the only guy who had to deal with this, but

657
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: he was at a place where they just they don't

658
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: have the kind of recruiting infrastructure like a Georgia or

659
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: in Ohio State or in Alabama to keep right on ticking.

660
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: They don't have that, or they didn't have that at

661
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: that point. So then what I noticed in our model,

662
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: we have a heat chart, We have a heat map

663
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: on the depth charts that teams have, and what I

664
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: realized is post COVID, I don't think people picked up

665
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: on this at all. Post COVID. I looked at Georgia

666
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: Tech and a lot of their matchups and their heat

667
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: map with the experience on their roster versus the experience

668
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: on a lot of the other rosters that had the

669
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: super Seniors was it was men versus boys. They were

670
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: playing like Pitt. I think one year and I was

671
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: looking at Pitt. They got like twenty three twenty four

672
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: year old dudes. Everywhere in Georgia Tech has hardly any

673
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: and no one cares about that. They just care whether

674
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: you win or lose. So, Jeff Collins, I think in

675
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: a lot of cases there were some things behind the

676
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: scenes that I don't necessarily think we're delivered upon the

677
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: way that they were pitched in the interview process. But

678
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: the other thing is man that COVID year and then

679
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: the fallout from the COVID years. It screwed them royally,

680
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: screwed them royally. But again, no one cares. It's just

681
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: did you win? No, all right, you're out, let's roll

682
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: it on. I I'm glad it doesn't work that way

683
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: in the media industry all the time. From Oxford, Mississippi,

684
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: justin hit us up. He said, if you could combine

685
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: any tailgate scene with any game day atmosphere, what's your

686
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: ideal game day environment? Justin, As I said, hit us

687
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: up from Oxford, Mississippi. Here is the great crime that

688
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: I committed when I went to the Ole Miss Kentucky

689
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: game last year. I didn't go out in the grove

690
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: because it was an eleven am kickoff locally, so we

691
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: had to do our pregame hits for CBS throughout the

692
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: morning in the stadium, so I never got to go

693
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: out into the tailgate scene. And also, the fine folks

694
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: in and around Oxford would tell you the eleven am

695
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: kickoff is not conducive to showing off the best of

696
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: the grove, So I can't. I can answer the grove

697
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: just from the stories I've heard, but I haven't been

698
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: able to experience it myself. But I know what you're

699
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: looking for, Justin, so yes, the grove is there. I

700
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: really love the game day atmosphere at Tennessee. Now, granted

701
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: it's been unlike I've seen it in my lifetime the

702
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: past couple of years. I don't think there's any place

703
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: like LSU for a night game when an Alabama is

704
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: in town, that is awesome. Michigan is a place that

705
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: I got to go for my first time two years ago,

706
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: and Michigan had a reputation in the South, at least

707
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: when I was growing up of being a place where

708
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: it's like one hundred and five thousand people, but it's

709
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: kind of quiet, and it was cause of the construction

710
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: of the stadium whatever. So I go up there, it's

711
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: snowing sideways. Ohio State's in town. They upset them for

712
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, and it was

713
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: one of the craziest environments I've ever seen, and they

714
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: stormed the field afterwards. So y'all can talk about Michigan

715
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: all you want to. Hey, my impression of the Big

716
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: House game day experience is just pandemonium, wild scene. I

717
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: loved it. So I mean, if I go back when

718
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: you guys have a sleeper noon kickoff against Indiana, Okay,

719
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: maybe it made it's a different story, but the way

720
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: I've experienced it, it was awesome. Penn State white Out

721
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: again was the first time I experienced Penn State awesome.

722
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: Like I've always equated it to the mixture of a

723
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: rock concert, WrestleMania, and a football game in a sense

724
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: that it it's like the fans are performing along with

725
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: the team, they have a role to play, and it

726
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: was it was really incredible, and then Oregon really good

727
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: game day experience. But see a lot of these places

728
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: when you talk about the tailgate scene, a lot of

729
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: these places. I am not the best judge of that

730
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: because the only time I see the tailgate scene is

731
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: really maybe we walk through it sometimes going into a stadium,

732
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: but other than that, that's it. I don't I don't

733
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: regularly get to go out there and partake shame on me.

734
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: Shame on me, by the way, So we can we can?

735
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't We could change that. I guess we would

736
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: have to talk to the powers that be around here,

737
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: maybe just broadcast live from out there and sign the

738
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: release forms in the process. But there are a lot

739
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: of them out there, man, a lot of them out there. Uh,

740
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: let's get our next question here. Ryan hit us up.

741
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: He said, if you were the commissioner and say you

742
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: want to move the first recruiting window to around August first,

743
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: So the early signing day right now is in December.

744
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: Ryan saying, let's say you wanted to move it to

745
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: August first, would you worry about players asking to be

746
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: released from their NLI in December. Most of them commit early,

747
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: they attend springball. I worry schools who have coaching changes

748
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: would lead to players wanting to be released. So anyway,

749
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: he's asking, if we moved up the early signing day

750
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: and you signed with Pate State, but then Pate State

751
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: fires their coach in November, is at a concern that

752
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of my signees would say, wait a second,

753
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: you fired our coach. We want out let us out

754
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: of our signed letters of intent. Well, yeah, yeah, it's

755
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: a concern, but it's not a big enough concern to

756
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: not do it. You would just very simply have to

757
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: add wording into your new rules that exempt players and

758
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: allow them to get out of their NLI if things happen,

759
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: And one of those things could be if the head

760
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: coach is fired. Now there's this big conversation that happens

761
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: around this topic, because what the conundrum could be is,

762
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: let's say I'm the head coach at Paate State. It

763
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: would behoove me greatly to stack my class to convince

764
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: as many of my kids to sign in August as possible.

765
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: Why obviously, because they're leverage for me, and if I

766
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: get into October and late October I'm four and four,

767
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: but I've got a big time signing class already in

768
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: my back pocket. If you're thinking about firing me and

769
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: you're on the fence, you're thinking about that signing class,

770
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: and you're thinking about the fact that if we fire him,

771
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: we better be really sure because if we fire him,

772
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: we're losing all those players. Look at that five star quarterback.

773
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: If we fire him, we're pretty sure we're not going

774
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: to get that kid. That's all the sudden leverage, And

775
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: so people say, do you really want a system like that?

776
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I still do. I still do because

777
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: I would much rather have it that way and have

778
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: kids able to get out of their inli if something

779
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: happens that's unforeseen. I'd rather have it that way than

780
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: have December like it is right now. December right now

781
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: is a disaster. December right now was structured by people

782
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: who don't have to live it in the actual world

783
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: of football, and it should not be that way. And

784
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: you've from a coach's perspective or a player's perspective, it

785
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that way. So I would very much advocate

786
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: for that, and also think about it from our perspective,

787
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: think about it from a fans perspective, you would have

788
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: so you would have all of your spring and summer

789
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: and you just live your life. Then you've got media

790
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: days that happen in July. Then here's where I would

791
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: put it personally, I would put it the last day

792
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: of July or the last Wednesday, or whatever you want

793
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: to make it of July. I would make that my

794
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: early signing day. And then fall camp opens and it's

795
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: time for college football season, and the next signing day,

796
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: the second signing window is February, where the normal one

797
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: always has been, and we get to worry about college

798
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: football and you can still follow recruiting, but a lot

799
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: of it's already hay in the barn. And then we

800
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: get to December and we don't have all that distraction.

801
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: I hate how fragmented December feels, because you've got number one,

802
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: you've got Christmas. December is the most whacked out month anyway,

803
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: because no one's on the same schedule. You're trying to

804
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: figure out who's work and when, when are we going

805
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: on vacation, when are we going to Grandma's house, And

806
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: you're also trying to balance oh oh, I'm also a

807
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: college football fan. So let me make sure I'm following

808
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: early signing Day, and then we've also got the Playoff

809
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: coming up, bowl games during Christmas, and then right after Christmas,

810
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: when you've mentally checked out, it's like you have to

811
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: check back in, and then you've got theoretically the biggest

812
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: games of the year that are about to happen. I've

813
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: always hated that I can't do anything about Christmas. I

814
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: can't move it. I could maybe move around the college

815
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: football calendar if you'll let me, College FOOTBA Commissioner, but

816
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: definitely I would move that early signing date up, and

817
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: I could not care less if it leads to some

818
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: drama and case by case coaches getting fired and players

819
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: getting released from their NLI, I would just say, make

820
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: sure you've hired the right guy, or don't have such

821
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: a quick trigger finger on your head coach. In fact,

822
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: now that I say that out loud, we may have

823
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: more positives than negatives. Those maybe it forces a program

824
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: to stick with a coach a little bit longer. And

825
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: if if he's that much of a disaster, he's probably

826
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: not landing a great recruiting class anyway. Thomas next up,

827
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: what is the most overrated movie? You can think of,

828
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: or one that you can't figure out why it's as

829
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: critically acclaimed as it is from Fort Warrior, Well was

830
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: not Fort Warrior's just Warrior, Alabama? Just move from Raleigh.

831
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: He says, there's two questions here. One is overrated and

832
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: one is can't figure out. So I've had this debate before.

833
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: Can something be overrated if you haven't seen it? Can

834
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: the movie be overrated if you haven't seen it? And

835
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: I think the answer is no, Well it may be

836
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: you can't know if it's overrated until you've seen it.

837
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: And also there's the whole what can't you understand? So

838
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: the second part was are there just movies you can't

839
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: understand when they got as big as they did? And

840
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: there absolutely is a lot out there I can't understand,

841
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: like's you know where I'm about to go with this

842
00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: or do you We'll be back in a second. You

843
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: know what that sound is? It's a lightsaber waving it

844
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: in your face because you didn't see that ad toss coming.

845
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: And secondly, Star Wars is what we got to talk about.

846
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Keep quiet, see yt you know

847
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: what that acronym is or you don't. But I've never

848
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: seen Star Wars. Okay, sue me whatever, So I'm not

849
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: gonna tell you Star Wars is overrated because I've never

850
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: seen any of them. They've got like fifty seven of

851
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: them at last check. I've never seen any of them.

852
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't even know what order I would watch them

853
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: in right now. I have no clue what the difference is,

854
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: but I will say this. I asked Bradley Young Bradley

855
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: young Ish Bradley on our staff earlier. I said, what

856
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: would you describe Star Wars as in terms of genre?

857
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: He said, It's a space opera, perfect, perfect space opera.

858
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: If you want to know what thing out there. I

859
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: can't understand blowing up like it did. The space opera genre.

860
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: I can't understand it. Granted I haven't seen it, but

861
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: I can't understand. There are many there are many franchises

862
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: like the Fast and Furious franchise blew up. I get it,

863
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: Fast Cars and being in Danger. I get the genre.

864
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: I understand even if I didn't like the movies, I

865
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: get why that blew up. For the life of me,

866
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: out of all the things that could blow up as

867
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: a genre, space opera, I've never been able to understand it.

868
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: I maybe have a lot of you out there yelling

869
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: right now, well, once you watch it, you'll understand it.

870
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: And maybe you're right. Am I ever gonna watch it?

871
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not one of these people who

872
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: just resists for the sake of resisting. Maybe I will.

873
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: I need full guidance on what to watch, by the way,

874
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: And the thing about Star Wars is, I'm not anti

875
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: Star Wars because I remember back when I was a

876
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: little jp and they whatever had come out, either Burger

877
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: King McDonald's was just in bed with the Star Wars franchise,

878
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: and they had a series of toys in those happy

879
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: meals that were pretty legit. And so I liked my

880
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: Star Wars toys, but I never watched the movies. And

881
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: here's how popular Star Wars is. Bradley Young Bradley young Ish.

882
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Bradley dared me to name some characters the other day,

883
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: and I rattled off like four or five of them.

884
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: So I know the characters. That's how ingrained in our

885
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: pop culture and our DNA it is. And yet I've

886
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: never seen it and I don't get it. Don't get it.

887
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll watch it one day. Hoopst knows. I think

888
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: maybe some people talk about college football like that they

889
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: don't get the passion because they haven't experienced it. Maybe

890
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: college football is someone Star Wars out there. I'll tell

891
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: you what, I will watch Star Wars in exchange if

892
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: you get one of your agnostic sports fans out there

893
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: to spend a year immersed in college football, because I

894
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: think that juice is worth the squeeze immunity. Mike Pennix,

895
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: the third probably not the real one though, hit us

896
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: up and said more impactful. Move Texas and OU to

897
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: the SEC or the LA schools to the Big Ten.

898
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: From Bloomington, Indiana. I think the answer is the LA

899
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: schools to the Big Ten. I don't I know it's

900
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: a huge deal that Texas and o you are going

901
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: to the SEC, but those are still programs that feel

902
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: like the SEC. First off. They just when they're in

903
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: here five years from now, you won't even think of

904
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: them as former Big twelve. They'll just it's like A

905
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: and M. Now they'll feel like SEC. Arkansas, you know,

906
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: back in the early nineties, I think Arkansas and South

907
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: Carolina came in. It didn't take long before they just

908
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: felt like the SEC. I think Texas know you'll feel

909
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: the same way. It's going to take a long time

910
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: before I look at that USC logo and say, oh,

911
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: Big ten football. It's going to be a long time

912
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: before I see Penn State playing a game in the

913
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl and think it's something other than the Rose

914
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: Bowl game. That Penn State is going to play a

915
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: conference game in Pasadena, California, that is a little befuddling.

916
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: If I could steal a word from the Rock, that's

917
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: a little bit fuddling, but also from a more overarching

918
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: standpoint of impact, Just think about what it did to

919
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: the sport, think about what it could still be doing.

920
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: We're talking in the past tense. It's happening right now.

921
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: USC and UCLA. I've told the story before. We were

922
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: in La last year. When that news broke and then

923
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: them leaving, it sends this huge shockwave through the PAC

924
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: twelve that's being felt as we speak, and they're trying

925
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: to get their media deal done, and that news could

926
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: come down at any minute, and no one is firmly

927
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: confident that the Pac twelve's even gonna stay together. Are

928
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: they going to have teams poached? Will maybe more programs

929
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: go to the Big Ten? From that conference, who knows.

930
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: So you're not really talking like that with OU in Texas,

931
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: cause as soon as ou in Texas announced they were leaving,

932
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: not only was there a change in commissioner in the

933
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: Big twelve, but the new commissioner comes in and says, hey,

934
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: you guys, why don't you just go ahead and leave early?

935
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: Give us some money, go ahead and leave early. We

936
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: don't need you anymore. Cause I went and got Bringham Young,

937
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: I wing got Houston, I went got UCF, and I

938
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: went and got Cincinnati. We got us a new TV

939
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: deal because we cut the PAC twelve in line. They're okay,

940
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: They're okay. They're not gonna be the equal of the

941
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: Big ten or the SEC. No one else will, the

942
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: side of the NFL, no one else will, but they're okay.

943
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: They're on solid ground right now. You can't say that

944
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: about the PAC twelve. And also you can't say that

945
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: therefore about the overall landscape of what your playoff's going

946
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: to look like and what college football is going to

947
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: look like. Are we even going to use the phrase

948
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: power five very much longer? Have you thought about that

949
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: moving into this new playoff era? Or even if we

950
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: stayed in the old playoff format. If someone wins the

951
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: PAC twelve, presently we think of them as a power

952
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: five conference champ. Are we always gonna think of it

953
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: that way? If you've got the quality teams or too

954
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: many quality teams exiting your portfolio? What is that line

955
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: of demarcation where when you fall below it, we don't

956
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: view you as power whatever anymore. We view you as

957
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: group of whatever. I don't know, but I think we're

958
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: dangerously close to flirting with it, and therefore I think

959
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: USC and UCLA leaving that was a much bigger deal

960
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: to me than OU in Texas. All right, here's here's

961
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: the deal. Here's the deal. The ping pong tournament rages

962
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: on in the office right now, and people have irresponsibly

963
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: scheduled vacation. Not your boy, no no season here. But

964
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: some people do acknowledge that it is spring and they

965
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: want to go do things like spend time with their families. Whatever.

966
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: So I am in the final four, and I'm awaiting

967
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: my opponent. Friends, and as soon as we hit stop

968
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: on this podcast, I'm about to go witness a showdown

969
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: in the northern region. I'm in the southern region, I'm

970
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: in the southern region of the bracket, but the northern

971
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: region is going to be hotly contested. But I do

972
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: have some news for you, Upset City. Producer Jesse is

973
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: in the final four. What Yes, Producer Jesse is in

974
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: the final four. And he won in straight sets over

975
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: one Emily pre Out yesterday. And I doubted Producer Jesse.

976
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: Everyone did, quite frankly. He was a point spread underdog

977
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: in both matches, even when he won the first one.

978
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: He was even an underdog in game two and he won.

979
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: And so I'm just apologizing to him on air. Don't

980
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: get used to it, Jesse, but congrat I guess what

981
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is congratulations to me and Jesse

982
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: and the rest of you. Will see you when we

983
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: seek you. Thank you so much for listening. Make sure

984
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: you subscribe to the pod. On the way out, We'll

985
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: be back Sunday night with a brand new episode of

986
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: A Late Kick Live. Untiled in for director Colin for

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00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: producer Jesse, I'm Josh Bay. Take care and God bless