1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by the newly 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: bespectacled Weston Hodkowitz. For those wondering, those a new pair 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: of glasses, my friend, how are they working out? 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 3: They're working out great right now, justin I hope you're 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 3: zooming in on me at this moment. I hate buying glasses. 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: We've had this discussion before. It is the most stressful 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 3: process to me. I said this to a couple of 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: our coworkers, Jennifer Ward and Laurence Stone a couple days ago. 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: It is like the worst school shopping you ever did 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 3: as a child, because it gives you so much anxiety 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: because if you botch it, if you mess it up, 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 3: you're stuck with these things for two years or you're 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: paying more money out of your pocket. So I'm comfortable 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: right now. Hopefully they stay on my face. The other 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: ones were completely falling apart on me. I got those 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: like during COVID. 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's a good thing you replaced him. 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: Then, yeah, so here I am. I have clear vision 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 3: for the twenty twenty four NFL draft. 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Well, that is definitely the topic of discussion today. The 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four NFL Draft, the first round will begin 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: exactly one week from tonight, and for those who've been 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: following things on our website, we've had our Prospect Primer 26 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: series taking a look at potential guys who might be 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: available in the back half of the first round. We 28 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: also have our roster series, positioned by position we call 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: pre Draft Picture, taking a look at where the Packers' 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: roster stands at different spots heading into the draft. Bottom 31 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: line here Wes. The Packers are going into this draft 32 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: with eleven picks, including five in the first three rounds. 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: The last time the Packers actually drafted five players within 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: the first one hundred selections of the draft, you have 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: to go back to two thousand and six. It was 36 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: eighteen years ago they got That was the draft they 37 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: got Greg Jennings, Darren College, Jason Spitz, guys like that. So, anyway, 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: just your thoughts on kind of how this in general 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: shapes up for Green Bay. I mean, the Packers don't 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: have I wouldn't say they have a bunch of glaring 41 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: needs on the roster. Necessarily, there are certainly a lot 42 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: of places to build depth to fill in some holes 43 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: and to be going into this draft with eleven picks, 44 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: including five in the first three rounds, Brian Guducunz has 45 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: to like where he sits. 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: You want to keep cooking, and Brian Goodikunz has done 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: a lot of cooking the last two years and his 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: scouts and the job that they've done with these rosters. Actually, 49 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: one of the stories I'm gonna be working on, I 50 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: think early next week I'm finally looking to run is 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 3: sort of an introspective look at what they accomplished last 52 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: year and just how prolific that draft class was. You 53 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 3: can't always expect that. You don't always think that your 54 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 3: first four pass catchers are all gonna end up being 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 3: year one contributors, and really all these guys Carl Brooks 56 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 3: in the sixth round having four sacks and being a 57 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: pass rush specialist on third downs with Kenny Clark, those 58 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 3: type of things cannot be predicted. But what you can 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 3: do is kind of maximize this window and this opportunity 60 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: that's been presented by back to back really strong draft classes. Listen, Mike, 61 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: we have talked so much about how young this team is, 62 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 3: and I know it got almost be labored last season. Right, 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: But one of the reasons why the Packers still are 64 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: so young is because they haven't had a pressing need 65 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: to go out and get a lot of free agent acquisitions. 66 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: They haven't had to go out and find guys or 67 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: trade for guys because of how guys stepped up in 68 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: the interim last season. If you would have told me 69 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: that the injuries that would have happened at receiver and 70 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 3: cornerback the Packers would have been able to wade through that, yeah, 71 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: I would have had some real doubts because you were 72 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: leaning on inexperienced guys in young rookies to be able 73 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: to fill those shoes. They did that, and now you 74 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: go into this twenty twenty four NFL Draft with an 75 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: opportunity to really widen out that base, fill a couple 76 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: holes that got brought to fold during the free agent process, 77 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: and see if you can really continue to build on 78 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: this up trajectory they finished last season. Yeah. 79 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 80 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: And the position that everybody is talking about, probably more 81 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: so than any other right now, is the safety spot. Obviously, 82 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: Xavier McKinney, as we talked on our last show, was 83 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: the free agent acquisition. The Packers also have Anthony Johnson 84 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: junior seventh round pick from last year, Benny Sapp, who 85 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: was on the active roster toward the end of last season. 86 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: He was an undrafted rookie year ago. 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: But a lot of. 88 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: Talk about possibly finding, you know, that that second safety 89 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: starter in this draft. I'm not I'm not entirely sold 90 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: on that that Brian Gudokuntz is looking at this draft 91 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: saying oh, I've got to find a starting safety because 92 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: the safety position was as deep as it gets on 93 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: the free agent market, and there are still some guys 94 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: out there that that Gouda Kounts could pursue if things 95 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: don't fall the way he prefers in the draft, but 96 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: if they do, I think this is where with safety 97 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: being you know, the one need that jumps out the most, 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: because you really don't have somebody that you say, oh, yeah, 99 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: that's the guy who's going to start next to McKinney, right, 100 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: So that's the need that jumps out the most. But 101 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: there aren't There aren't really a lot of safety prospects 102 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: being talked about his first round picks in this draft, 103 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: and that's where it works out nicely for Gudukunst that 104 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: he is two picks in the second round and two 105 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: picks in the third round. He can do whatever it 106 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: takes to find a safety if he wants to go 107 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: that way, and he doesn't have to overpay for him 108 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: in the sense of his draft cap. 109 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: The thing I love about Brian goudukun so why I 110 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 3: believe he is truly one of the elite gms in 111 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: this league. And it's not just because of the shirt 112 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: that I'm wearing at the moment. It's the fact that 113 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: he never finds himself backed into a corner right heads 114 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: into an NFL draft, Michael, You're absolutely right about how 115 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: things lined up. Very deep free agent class at safety, 116 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 3: some interesting possibilities that presented themselves. At running back, neither 117 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: of those positions. I think it's considered a deep draft 118 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 3: at those two spots. We may get and into the 119 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: third round before we see a running back come off 120 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: the board. We'll have to wait and see. When you 121 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: look at the safety position, there's guys that I think 122 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: are going to be there in the second round, but 123 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 3: not necessarily that Darnell Savage type that was Okay, this 124 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: is the first defensive back off the board in twenty nineteen. 125 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: When you have Xavier McKinney in there. Now you have 126 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: that option to potentially still looking at the free agent 127 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: market like they did last year when they didn't draft 128 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: a safety and they went and got Jonathan Owens a 129 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: couple weeks later. You could go that route. There's still 130 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: some guys out there with some pretty good credentials on 131 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: the market. You could also find one of these guys 132 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 3: on day two to pair up with McKinney and say, hey, 133 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: you're a fourth year veteran, you're twenty four year old guy, 134 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: You're relatable to these guys. Help bring these guys along, 135 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: and also well maybe counting on an Anthony Johnson Junior 136 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 3: to step up after seeing about one hundred and fifty 137 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 3: snaps last year on defense. All those possibilities are there. 138 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: But I just like that when we talk about best 139 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: player available, I really think that truly applies in Green 140 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: Bay because in very limited instances, have you seen the 141 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 3: Packers go into a draft with a need or they 142 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: came out of it like, Okay, what are they going 143 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: to do now? Right? 144 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: Well, and what you said too about about Guta Kun's 145 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: not backing himself into a corner. He the way things 146 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: went at running back in free agency was not how 147 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: anybody thought, you know, in advance, it was going to go. 148 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: But you lose Aaron Jones, you signed Josh Jacobs. But 149 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: then everybody's wondering, okay, well you know who's you know, 150 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: are how higher the packer's going to draft a running 151 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: back because you need somebody. Well, then he goes and 152 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: brings aj Dillon back into the fold on one year deal. Right, 153 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: So that's a that's another example of he's not gonna 154 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: he's not gonna let himself get boxed in. You could 155 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: say the same thing in some respects at the off 156 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: ball linebacker position, because everybody's looking at it saying, okay, yes, 157 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: Devandre Campbell is gone, you've got kway Walker, You've got 158 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: Isaiah McDuffie. The coaches have a lot of faith in 159 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: those guys. But he goes out and brings back Eric Wilson, 160 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: who is mainly a special teams player but has a 161 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: lot of experience at linebacker in a four to three 162 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: scheme in Minnesota. Earlier in his career, he was he 163 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: was one hundred plus tackle guy one year in his 164 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: in his career in Minnesota. So I'm not saying Eric 165 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: Wilson is just being plugged in as a starter. The 166 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: Packers might find a starting off ball linebacker, you know, 167 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: Edgrin Cooper is a guy whose name is is mentioned 168 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: a lot, and there are certainly some others in that 169 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: second and second and third round projection. But if the 170 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: Packers had to play a game today, they they have 171 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: they have a third linebacker if they want one. Because 172 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: Eric Wilson was brought was brought back. That's the way 173 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: Brian Goodakunz goes about things. And uh, and I give 174 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: him a lot of credit for that because it just 175 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: allows him to stay that much truer to his board 176 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 2: and how they evaluate the players so that you're not 177 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: reaching to fill a need. You're like, you're you can 178 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: you can let it fall and go Okay, that's the 179 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: best guy out there. And and uh, but you can 180 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: also with the draft capital that he has, he can 181 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: target guys and move around the board, move up, move down. 182 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit more about that on our 183 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: next draft preview show, because there's certainly a lot of 184 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: history of that. But he's put the Packers in quite 185 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: the position. And when you look at a team that 186 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: played as well as it did, down the stretch. Last 187 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: year came within a whisker of advancing to the NFC 188 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: Championship Game. And now you have all this draft capital 189 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 2: to potentially improve improve your squad and build things for 190 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: you know, for what everyone is hoping is a wide 191 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: open window to a path toward a championship. This is 192 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: this is going to be a big few days for 193 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: Brian Gudakuns. 194 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: And that's what makes those top hundred picks so fascinating 195 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: this year, because what do you do with them? You know, 196 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: when you don't have Oh, the Packers haven't taken a 197 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: receiver in the first round. They don't need one right now. 198 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: They could take one, they don't need one. They haven't 199 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: been in a position where they are like, okay, we 200 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: have to make this address. We have to do it 201 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 3: right now. I think the only time, the last time 202 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: I remember that kind of being a conversation was twenty twenty. 203 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 3: We all know how that turned out, the receiver exactly 204 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: when you ended up with Jordan love So. But to 205 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: get back to the inside linebacker deal, I remember asking, 206 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: I believe it was with Brian Gouducuntz first about Isaiah McDuffie. 207 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: And here's a guy that they've developed for three years 208 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: and they feel confident in him. He played, He was 209 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: like the second leading tackler I think last year even 210 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: though we only started eight games. 211 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd but he ended up starting half the games 212 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: on the season when going into the year he wasn't 213 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: you know, projected as that at all. He was essentially 214 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: an injury fill in who then used all of those 215 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: starts and all that time on defense to become a 216 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: player that opened some eyes. 217 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: And this is a guy, Mike that when you go 218 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty one, barely played at all, even 219 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: with special teams. It wasn't until twenty twenty two that 220 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: he became there. You know, Christian Welch's back. He's a 221 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: guy that's been champion at the bit for an opportunity. 222 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: So you have options, but looking quickly at that inside 223 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: linebacker position, I know we'll break down positions and specific 224 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 3: prospects a little bit more. Edrin Cooper's a guy I've 225 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: talked to your ear off about a lot. I wrote 226 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: about him today an insider inbox again because I just 227 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: don't have a good feel on where he's gonna go. Yeah, 228 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah has him as a top twenty five guy 229 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: right now. Some people have him in the forties. The 230 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: one thing I like that he showed though last year 231 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: and it's something that Green Bay has really valued traditionally. 232 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: We'll see what happens now that it's Jeff Hafley's defense, 233 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 3: but eight of his eight and a half sacks all 234 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 3: came last season, during his senior season or his junior 235 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: season excuse me, at Texas A and M. He has 236 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 3: that ability to quickly shoot a gap. He has that 237 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: size and ranging as you look for. Not quite the 238 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: same type of athlete as kway Walker doesn't quite have 239 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: this the height, doesn't quite have the overall weight, but 240 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: plays fast. Peyton Wilson from NC State the senior he's 241 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: another guy that on some boards is considered the top 242 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: inside linebacker. And even like Jeremiah Trotter junior. There are 243 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: guys that are going to be in this conversation and 244 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 3: then with this four to three defense, they're not gonna 245 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 3: have to be thrown into the fire necessarily. If they 246 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: earn it, they earn it. But you're going to be 247 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: able to work a guy in in a base defense, 248 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 3: much like they did with Isaiah McDuffie and given him 249 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 3: that opportunity before he got more of a three down roll. 250 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: That's where I'm really fascinated to see how Green Bay 251 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: approaches it, because you covered a four to three defense 252 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: in green Bay. I have not other than that quad 253 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 3: experiment in twenty fourteen. 254 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't go so well. 255 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 3: It didn't go so well, and they didn't have the 256 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 3: bodies an inside linebacker to do it. But that's where 257 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: figuring out the board is one thing for Brian Gudakunz 258 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: who's available is going to be another thing. Where do 259 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: the rest of the league view some of these guys 260 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: and then ultimately figuring out if this is a good 261 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: fit for Green Bay and Jeff Hafley's defense and Mike, 262 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: you and I are going to be just like everybody 263 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: else watching this thing unfold Thursday, Friday and Saturday night. Yeah. 264 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 265 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: And it's been interesting because I do a lot of 266 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: mock draft research to come up with the list of 267 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: the guys we do for the prospect primers, and you know, 268 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: so that's that's based on, you know, guys who are 269 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: most frequently being mocked, you know, in the bottom third 270 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: to the first round. Because the Packers are picking at 271 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: twenty five. But then after doing all these profiles on guys, 272 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: it gets closer to the draft, all these guys that 273 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: I look at and go, yeah, I could you know, 274 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: I could see Cooper de Gene like really fitting in 275 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: somewhere either at corner maybe safety for the Packers, or 276 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: I could see, you know, a Tyler Geyton at offensive tackle, 277 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: you know, being a guy that the Packers might go with. 278 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: But then the closer it gets to the draft, Oh, 279 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: these guys are gonna be gone by pick fifteen or 280 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: picked you know, pick twenty. You know. Quinyon Mitchell from 281 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: Toledo is another one. I mentioned him on a show 282 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: for Spectrum that we just taped yesterday, kind of an 283 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: off season show, and then looking briefly at the draft. 284 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: But then, you know, as soon as I mentioned him, 285 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 2: then I go and I go and dig a little deeper, 286 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: and it's like he might even go in the top ten, 287 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: you know, and there's there's no way that he'll be 288 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: around in the twenties for the Packers to have a 289 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: realistic shot at him. So it's it's really it's always 290 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 2: really interesting how much things change in the you know, 291 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: in the media, the perception, the reporting of things over 292 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, when really it's not changing 293 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: that much for the teams themselves. 294 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: They've built their boards. 295 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: Yes, they're having final discussions and maybe making you know, 296 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: shifting things a little bit here and there. But it's 297 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: all about, you know, whatever whatever sort of gets leaked. 298 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: Sometimes things are leaked on purpose to you know, to 299 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: as a smoke screen, as some kind of subterfuge in 300 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: terms of you know, who's interested in whom it's a 301 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: it's a fascinating it's a fascinating. 302 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: Time of year. 303 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: I did want to get your thoughts though on a 304 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: position that again, it's not it's not a screaming need 305 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four, because if the Packers had to 306 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: play a game today, they would they would be confident 307 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: in the starting five that we have on the offensive line. 308 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: But it is a position that that is a need 309 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: in terms of building depth, looking toward the future all 310 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: of those things. Are there any offensive lineman that you've 311 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: looked at that you think maybe would be there at 312 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: twenty five because it's been a long time since the 313 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: Packers took an offensive lineman in the first round. 314 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's funny too, because you talk about okay, 315 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: and I wrote about it this week. It's going up 316 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: on the website Thursday, about how they have starting five 317 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: there if they needed to be. Yeah, but why do 318 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: we know that because of all the injuries that have 319 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: happened and things that happened. You know, John Runyon played 320 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: all last year, but he got kind of banged up. 321 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: That's when they started doing the rotation with Sean Ryan. 322 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: Obviously we know the situation that unfolded with David Bakhtiari. 323 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: Rashid Walker goes from a guy that played four special 324 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: team snaps to be in a guy that played eight 325 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty one offensive snaps last year. Right, you 326 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: have to prove yourself and unfortunately for Green Bay, and 327 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: it's just the way that the NFL goes. You lost Boktiari, 328 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 3: he got cut, Nyman went Yosh Niman went to Carolina, 329 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: John Running got paid by the New York Giants. Yeah, 330 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: Greenmit Packers need to be able to rebuild some of 331 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: that depth. They have some in house candidates, but who's 332 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: going to be the ones that step up with that. 333 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: That's why when you talk about first round picks, when 334 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: you talk about guys at the top of the draft. 335 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: When you talk about big bodies athleticism, a lot of 336 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: times that's going to be the tackle position. It's not 337 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: any coincidence that the Brian Blagas and Derek Charrod's, those 338 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: type of body types were what Green Bay sought in 339 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: that first round. And maybe it's just the Larry mccaer 340 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: and rubbing off of me, but a Marius Mims from 341 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: Georgia is a guy that the more I've learned about him, 342 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: six eight, three forty, how many different categories that he 343 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: tested highly in. I don't care so much about the 344 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: eight games play or eight yeah, excuse me, eight stars. 345 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, he only only has eight because here's the thing. 346 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: To Michael, he didn't start eight games at you know, NWTC, 347 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 3: he's at Georgia. Like it's going to be difficult. I mean, 348 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: even Josh Jacobs, when you look at his resume at Alabama, 349 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: it's not like Josh Jacobs had three thousand yard seasons 350 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: at Alabama. He didn't. His most yards I think in 351 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: the season were like six hundred. Some guys. It's harder 352 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: at those colleges where it's just deef you know, five star, 353 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: four star recruits to always get your opportunity. You can't 354 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: coach size, you can't coach that kind of weight and 355 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: being able to move the way he does. As Larry 356 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 3: pointed out in his prospect primer, be sure to check 357 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: that out if you haven't already. He's going to be 358 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: a project. There's going to be work to be done. 359 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: But the beautiful thing about where green Bay's at right 360 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: now at this offensive line is they got versatility and 361 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: they got experience. And if there's gonna be any position 362 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: that green Bay still has some good experience at that 363 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 3: you want to lean on, that's one of the good 364 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: ones to do it at. Yeah. 365 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: And the other thing I'll say about the offensive line too, 366 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: is that we heard from Brian Gudokuntz, not only when 367 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: he spoke to the media right after the season, but 368 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: when he spoke at Indianapolis at the combine and then 369 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: also in Florida at the owner's meetings. He talked about 370 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: how as far as the development of the young wide 371 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: receivers last year went, he felt that the competition that 372 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: was in the room, the competition that was going on 373 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: at practice for snaps, for playing time, for who was 374 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: going to play what role, that was a huge factor 375 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: in the accelerated development of these guys. So when I 376 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: look at at the fact that, yes, if the Packers 377 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 2: lined up today, they would take they would put Rashid 378 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: Walker at left tackle, they would put Sean Ryan at 379 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: right guard. But if there's a guy or guys within 380 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: those top one hundred picks that you could you can 381 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: bring in a guy who can compete for a starting 382 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: job with those guys who got some valuable experience last 383 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 2: year in the NFL. He's not going to hesitate for 384 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: one second to do that because you just you listen 385 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: to his words and how he talked about the wide receivers. 386 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: He may apply the very same thing, the very same 387 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: process to the offensive line in terms of developing competition 388 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: and trying to push guys to see how much you 389 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: can get out of them. 390 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: And that's ultimately what it comes down to. You don't 391 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: get I mean, if you and I would have made 392 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: this prediction last year May, we would have thought, Okay, 393 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: yosh Niman's going to be in the starting lineup. We'll 394 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 3: have to see exactly where Zach tom Fitz. Rashid Walker 395 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: was an afterthought for a lot of people at that point. Yeah, 396 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: and then you get to the beginning of the season, 397 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: after a training camp, after a nine week offseason program, 398 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 3: and the cream does rise to the top and next 399 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: thing you know, Zach tomm ends up being a seventeen 400 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: game starter at right tackle. Will he be there this year, 401 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: We'll have to wait and see. Much like with Elton Jenkins, 402 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: there's decisions Green Bay has to make on where guys fit, 403 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: what is their best position, and also where they have 404 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: the most real value to a football team. But bringing 405 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 3: in a guy like Mims, you know, even like Tyler Geyton, 406 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: guys that could potentially be there in the second round 407 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: as well. By deepening out that room, I don't think 408 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: you can go wrong. Because I'm not the biggest Jim 409 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: harbaughf fan, but his line at the owners meetings about 410 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: how there's one position that everybody else is dependent on 411 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 3: that they're not dependent on anybody. It's offensive line. You 412 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: have to have it, and the Packers need to be 413 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 3: able to build that front up up front for Jordan Love. 414 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's definitely something to watch as the 415 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: three days of the draft unfold next week. A little 416 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: bit of sponsor business here. 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I started looking at looking at 425 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: the draft from the NFC North perspective, and I got 426 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: really intrigued. 427 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, because the Bears are going to do Yeah. 428 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: Well, here's here's my point. We've talked a lot already 429 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 2: about the Packers having five picks in the first three rounds. 430 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: The Chicago Bears have two picks in the top ten, 431 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: number one and number nine. What they're doing at number 432 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 2: one is like the worst kept secret in you know, 433 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 2: the history of the draft. But on top of that, 434 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings, because of a trade that they made 435 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, they have two first round picks 436 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: as well, number eleven and number twenty three. So everybody 437 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 2: is wondering are the Vikings going to package those two 438 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: picks to try to jump up into the top five 439 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 2: or six or wherever that might be to get a quarterback, 440 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: the guy, a guy they believe could be their next 441 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: franchise quarterback. There's a lot of intrigue here with the 442 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 2: with the NFC North, with what Chicago hasn't and what's 443 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: kind of bizarre is that Chicago has two picks in 444 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 2: the top ten and only two more picks for the 445 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 2: rest of the draft. So that also has people wondering 446 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 2: are they going to take that number nine pick get 447 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: as big a haul of other picks as they can 448 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: so that they can so that they can try to 449 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: build more depth than everything on their roster out of 450 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: this draft, because otherwise, you know, after you know, by 451 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: eight thirty on Thursday night, the Chicago Bears are only 452 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: going to have two more picks left for the rest 453 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: of the three days. 454 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: Yep. 455 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 2: But it's it's interesting. And then on top of that, 456 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: you have Detroit picking at number twenty nine. The Lions 457 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 2: advanced to the NFC Championship Game last year. The Lions 458 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: are used to picking in the top ten, in the 459 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: top twelve, sometimes in the top five. Ye the Lions 460 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: are the Lions are sitting back there at twenty nine 461 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: and they actually only have four picks in the first 462 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: five rounds of the draft. Very different situation than where 463 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 2: Green Bay is. When every when it was clear that 464 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: the two best teams in the division last year were 465 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: the Packers and the Lions. Just you know, what thoughts 466 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: do you have on how much? How much the NFC 467 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 2: North in some ways kind of is is going to 468 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: control the early parts of this draft because of because 469 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: of the capitol that these teams possess. 470 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 3: Well, everything starts with the Vikings. You have to get 471 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: a quarterback, Yeah, you have to. You can't be a 472 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: sitting duck in this conference or excuse me, this division. 473 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: I mean the conference too, but this division with Caleb 474 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: Williams going to Chicago, the Packers appearing to be on 475 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 3: the come up, and Detroit being an NFC title you know, 476 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: can tender for that reason, I think they got to 477 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 3: go get They have to get a quarterback. And honestly, 478 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: I think a lot of that's going to depend on 479 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior and Malik Neighbors. Where are those guys going, 480 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: Who's taking them? What is Elliott Wolf going to do 481 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: at number three with New England? Which quarterbacks could be 482 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: available there from four to six, seven, eight yea. And 483 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: that's the decision the Vikings have to make, because I 484 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 3: don't think you can sit back. Maybe maybe you can 485 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: get somebody at the end of the first round and 486 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: hope that there's something there, But ultimately I think that 487 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: this is a draft class where you have to make 488 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 3: a move. I think the Vikings have to make a move. 489 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 3: I agree with you with the predicament that the Bears 490 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 3: find themselves in. You have to take the quarterback. Now 491 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: that's the worst kept secret. Yeah, and you have to 492 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: get picks. I don't say this disrespectfully to the Bears, 493 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 3: because Mike, if you remember what I said last year 494 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: when we were going through this, I wasn't sold on 495 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 3: Chicago last year. I'm still not sold on Chicago. They 496 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 3: just aren't deep enough with their entire roster. They're making stride, 497 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 3: but they still have big questions on the offensive line, 498 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: they have some issues still on defense, and then the 499 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 3: fact that they are now transitioning to yet another starting 500 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: young quarterback. The Bears need picks. So if it's me, 501 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: I move out of that ninth spot, I take Cale Williams. 502 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 3: I move out of the ninth spot. As far as 503 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 3: Detroit's concerned, You are right, they don't pick a lot 504 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: at the end of the round. But Brad Holmes has 505 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 3: done plenty of that. John Dorsey's done plenty of that. 506 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: They're gonna be a team that's gonna be looking to 507 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 3: widen out their rosters. 508 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: I guess when I was I was saying in terms 509 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: of in terms of the fan base, Yeah, and what 510 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: the fan base expects to get out of a draft. 511 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago that they got pinnae sewel 512 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 2: right like way up at the top of the draft. 513 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: So that's what their fans are used to. And now 514 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 2: they're fans on the in the first round of the draft, 515 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 2: are gonna have to wait all the way till past 516 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: ten o'clock. 517 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: I was gonna say what they're gonna have to get eleven. 518 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: O'clock Eastern time zone before they get. 519 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: What they're gonna have to get used to is actually 520 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: waiting with their surveys a little bit, enjoying their evening 521 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: at a more balanced pace rather than getting the first 522 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: pick and then. 523 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: In the rest of evening, I'm gonna I just I 524 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: just have to say this. I if the the Viking, 525 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 2: the Vikings are in a very interesting spot, as you said, 526 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 2: because they have to come out of this draft with 527 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: a quarterback. But I know, I told I told you 528 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 2: a few years ago when there was all this, you know, 529 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: all this talk about the quarterbacks and everything in the 530 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: first round, that I just wasn't sure about any of 531 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: those guys except Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, in terms of spending 532 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: a first round pick. Now, I still think that Justin 533 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: Fields has a chance to do something in this league 534 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: in if he's given, you know, the right opportunity and 535 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: you know, in the right surroundings, and things just didn't 536 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: work out that way in Chicago. But all these guys 537 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: that are being talked about his first round quarterbacks again 538 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: this year, and I know Jayden Daniels won a Heisman 539 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: Trophy and and all this kind of stuff, But outside 540 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: of outside of Caleb Williams, you know, being number one 541 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 2: overall and the Bears are going to take him, I 542 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: don't know, I'm not crazy about any of these guys. 543 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 2: So I guess, you know, if the Vikings are going 544 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: to move up to get their guy, you know, good 545 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: luck to them. But there are there are certainly plenty 546 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: of years where where first round quarterbacks don't work out, 547 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: especially if you end up throwing him into the fire 548 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: right away. And if you're the Vikings and you do 549 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: get that guy and you start the season with Sam 550 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: Darnold because you're going to let your young guy develop, well, 551 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: all it takes is a couple of losses and everybody's 552 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 2: going to be screaming to put the young guy in there, 553 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: and he's going to get thrown in there anyway. So 554 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: it's not an easy spot for the Vikings to be 555 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: and and not an easy spot for the Bears either 556 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: because everybody knows they need pick. So how much are 557 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: they really going to get for the number nine pick 558 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: when when they're dangling it out there and everybody knows 559 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: that they that they probably want to trade. 560 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 3: It depends on what quarterbacks are still available. Yeah, that's 561 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 3: what to and get. 562 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: That's what it's going to come. 563 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: My question for you this was not on the pre 564 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: production rundown, but I'm gonna put you on the spot here. 565 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: All right, Well I do it to you plenty, So. 566 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 3: Michael Pennox, ju and your where does he go? I've 567 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: seen him at fourteen, I've seen him at thirty one 568 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: Because I think that's the quarterback, that's where the run is. 569 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: So how quickly does that run coming go? I think 570 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: there's probably six quarterbacks taken the first round. I think 571 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 3: he's the last one. 572 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I think I see I see that as 573 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: being sort of like the Lamar Jackson situation, where somebody, 574 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: somebody is going to say, Okay, if he's if he's 575 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: still there, I'm going to trade up into the thirtieth 576 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: or thirty first or thirty second spot and get that 577 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: guy there and then you know, you have the fifth 578 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: year option and everything if things work out and he's 579 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: an he's still developing. But but that's the thing about 580 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 2: the draft. All it takes is one and somebody might 581 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: take him at it in the middle of the first round. 582 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: He won't even get out of the top twenty, you know, 583 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 2: you know. 584 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: But that that's why it's fine. 585 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: But I look at him as very much like the 586 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson situation where Jackson ended up, you know, and 587 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: the Teddy Bridgewater It was the same, the same kind 588 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: of thing when he was drafted by the Vikings, where 589 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 2: it was like, oh, there's a quarterback who's there, and 590 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 2: you can you can jump up to the bottom of 591 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: the first round and grab him in and then you 592 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: have sort of that contractual advantage down the road if 593 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: if it works out. 594 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: I just don't know what to like. The thing that's 595 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 3: funny about the Jackson analogy is I was so high 596 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 3: on Lamar Jackson. I thought that was such a brilliant 597 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 3: pick by Baltimore. I don't say that for Cloud, I 598 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 3: mean legitimately, I just I watched him a lot in college. 599 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: I was really impressed by him. I thought that his 600 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 3: skills could translate. I don't have that type of feel 601 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: on Pennix, but so many people out Washington said he's 602 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 3: just an incredible talent, great arm strength. 603 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's funny anytime that Lamar Jackson has brought up. 604 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: It's like I distinctly remember being at the combine in Indianapolis. Yeah, 605 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 2: at you know, standing aways back. It wasn't like I 606 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: was trying to interview him. It was more out of 607 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: curiosity to listen to the conversation. And he's at the 608 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: podium for his meeting with the media and everybody's asked him. 609 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: So you know, you know, what do you think about 610 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: you know, these teams that maybe want to work you 611 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: at receiver and he must in the ten minutes he 612 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: was up there, he must have said I'm a quarterback 613 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: like fifty times, like and and he was doing it 614 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: with a smile and spacel like, Hey guys, like, I'm 615 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: a quarterback. I'm planning to play quarterback in the NFL. 616 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: I'm a quarterback and you know yeah, And then it's 617 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: turned out he's you know, he's an MVP caliber guy 618 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: and uh and you know all that's missing on his 619 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: resume right now is obviously getting to a super Bowl, 620 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: which which the Ravens have not yet been able to 621 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: accomplish with him. 622 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: Now, I'm just taking us off track, but I still 623 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: one of my favorite moments ever is still that jay 624 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: Ara actually reacting. Do you ever see that clip when 625 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 3: he's reacting to Lamar getting picked. He's in the middle 626 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 3: of an interview. 627 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's picked. Yeah. 628 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's the best clip. He's just like yeah, 629 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 3: like he just starts. It's like it's almost like that 630 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 3: thing where he walked up on that lady earlier this 631 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 3: year during that same thing, like the interview just gets 632 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: completely sidetracked because he's focused on his quarterback going in 633 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 3: the first round. 634 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: There you go, well, we have one more show early 635 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: next week that we will do leading up to the draft. 636 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: We'll get into, you know, maybe some more of our 637 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: insights on just where the Packers might be headed and 638 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: what might happen while the Packers are on the clock, 639 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: But for now, well we'll call it a rap on 640 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: this edition of Packers Unscripted'd be sure to follow all 641 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: of our coverage of the team, all of the pre 642 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: draft work, prospect primer series, pre draft picture series. It's 643 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: all out there for you on Packers dot com. For Wes, 644 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will 645 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: see you next time.