1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades of 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: Hi. 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: that our loved ones. 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: Have survived physical death and so will we. Welcome to 17 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife and welcome to our time together today. 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: I'm excited. We're going to start off with some news 19 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 3: and then we're going on a trip together. So pack 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: your suitcase. We're going to go to South America and 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: the country of Brazil. First, some news actress Jennifer Aniston 22 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: was recently asked if she's ever had a reading with 23 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: a medium. Here's what she said. 24 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 4: So the answer to that question for me is yes, 25 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 4: I have. I spoke to a medium about four years ago. 26 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 4: We were so many, so much was coming through, so 27 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 4: much was coming through. But she said this one thing, 28 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 4: a bunch of things that blew my mind, but this 29 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 4: one was really incredible. She said, your mom could never 30 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: compete with her first husband's dance hers. So my mom's 31 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 4: first husband, my brother's father was like a big band leader, 32 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: and he always was having these affairs with women, and 33 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 4: my mom was always sort of. 34 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: You know, just quiet and meek. 35 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: And then she said, but he also wanted her to 36 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 4: know that he never recovered from the death of his sister, 37 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 4: who died in a plane crash. 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: Something that's so specific. 39 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 4: So I called my brother and I said, I also 40 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 4: didn't know his father had a sister. 41 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: That was the other thing. 42 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 4: So I said to my brother, Johnny, did your father 43 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 4: have a sister who died? So I don't say plane crash, 44 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 4: I don't say anything, and then he goes, oh, yeah, 45 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 4: Aunt Jane, Aunt Jane, she died in a plane crash. 46 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 4: Excuse me, oh aunt Jane, Yes, she died in a 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: plane crash. Charl's now even repeating the story. 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: I love that story. When you go to a medium, 49 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: you need to hear evidence to believe that your loved 50 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: one lives on. But when you get evidence that you 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: don't even know is the truth, and you have to 52 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: go ask somebody else. Those kind of stories I never 53 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: get tired of hearing. Next. In June twenty twenty three, 54 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: Grammy Award winner Madonna was reportedly intubated after being found unresponsive. 55 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: Now she's opening up that she had a near death experience. 56 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: She was rushed to a New York City hospital after 57 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: developing a bacterial infection. She said the whole experience was 58 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: very scary and was put into an induced coma. She 59 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: says when she woke up, the first word she said 60 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: was no. In her experience, God was asking her, do 61 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: you want to come with us, and Madonna, knowing that 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: her job on Earth was not yet complete, repeated to God, No, 63 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: No No. Next, twenty eight year old medium Tyler Henry, 64 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: star of the Netflix series Life After Death and E 65 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: Entertainment's mega hit television show Hollywood Medium, has opened up 66 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: that the process of airing celebrity interviews is not very easy. 67 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: It's common when doing a reading that a publicist jumps 68 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: in and says, no, no, no, we're not using that. 69 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: He says, so much of the evidence that comes through 70 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: is of a personal nature. Some of the details never 71 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: appear on screen. He enjoys doing celebrity readings, but says 72 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: it's really bad for medium who's trying to provide information 73 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: that isn't found on Google, and it would be nice 74 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: for the celebrities to open up a little more about 75 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: their personal lives. He continues that reading everyday folks carries 76 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: much less baggage, and that's truly where his heart is. 77 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: Tyler says many celebrities still come to him for readings, 78 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: but for me, he says, most of my readings are 79 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: done for free, and a lot of those readings are 80 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: done for terminally ill people. They are my VIPs, and 81 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: those situations allow me to provide comfort for people who 82 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: are going to be making their transition. I've met with 83 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: children before they have passed, as well as their parents. 84 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: It allows me to really kind of satisfy why I 85 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: do what I do in a much bigger way. Kudos 86 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: to Tyler Henry and any others that are giving back next. 87 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: Eighty one year old retired comedian, actor and musician Sir 88 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: Billy Connelly has admitted to previously offending most religions with 89 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: his comedy, but he has now confessed that he can't 90 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: accept that death will be the end of him. Connolly, 91 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: who was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease and prostate cancer in 92 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, said while he's not scared of death, he 93 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: does resent the idea of his life coming to an end. 94 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: I do feel cheated in a way, but it hasn't 95 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: happened yet, So how can I feel cheated? And who knows? 96 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: It might be so lovely on the other side that 97 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: you don't even think about that. I'm sure there's something 98 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: after death. I'm sure there is, asked why, he added, 99 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 2: I don't know, but in recent years I've just got 100 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: a knowing that there is. Although Parkinson's has severely slowed 101 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 2: down Connolly's physical abilities, he has not lost his sense 102 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: of humor and humor I hope is the last thing 103 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 2: to go next. You may remember the film The Perfect Storm, 104 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: which told the story of the boat the Gale, a 105 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: commercial fishing vessel that was lost at sea, with all 106 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: lives being lost in the Perfect Storm of nineteen ninety one. 107 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: The film starred George Clooney, Mark Wahlberg, Diane Lane and 108 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: Moore and was one of the highest grossing films in 109 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: the year two thousand. Now, the author of the book 110 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: The Perfect Storm, Sebastian Younger, has a new book telling 111 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: his story about what might happen after death. His new 112 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: book is titled In My Time of Dying, How I 113 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: Came face to face with the idea of an afterlife. 114 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: For years as an award winning reporter, Sebastian traveled to 115 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: many front lines and frequently put his life at risk, 116 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: and yet the closest he ever came to death was 117 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: the summer of twenty twenty, while spending a quiet afternoon 118 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: at his New England home that he shared with his 119 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: wife and two young children. Crippled by abdominal pain, Younger 120 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: was rushed to the hospital by ambulance. Once there, he 121 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: began to slip away as the blackness set in. He 122 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: was visited by his dead father, inviting him to join him. 123 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: It's okay, his father said, there's nothing to be scared of. 124 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: I'll take care of you. That's the last thing Younger 125 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: remembered until he was aware again and was told he 126 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: suffered a ruptured aneurism and that he shouldn't have survived. 127 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: This experience spurred Younger, a confirmed atheist raised by his 128 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: physicist father, to respect the empirical, to undertake a scientific, philosophical, 129 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: and deeply personal examination of mortality and what happens after 130 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: we die. How do we begin to process the brutal 131 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: fact that any of us might perish unexpectedly on what 132 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: begins as an ordinary day, he says, How do we 133 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: grapple with phenomena that's science may be unable to explain, 134 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: and what happens to a person emotionally and spiritually when 135 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: forced to reckon with such existential questions. His brand new book, 136 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: In My Time of Dying is part medical drama, part autobiography, 137 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: and part inquiry into the mystery of life after death. 138 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: The book In My Time of Dying, How I Came 139 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: Face to Face with the idea of an Afterlife, is 140 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: available everywhere you buy books, and it's near the top 141 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: of the charts on the Amazon bestseller list. If you 142 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: enjoy stories of the afterlife and celebrities and movies about 143 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: the Afterlife. I invite you to go back to episode 144 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 2: number forty four zero of Shades of the Afterlife. Here's 145 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: some trivia that you may not know. Famous inventor Thomas Edison, 146 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: who created some things we can't live without, like the 147 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: electric light bulb and electric light motion pictures, first to 148 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: invent the phonograph in eighteen seventy seven. In fact, the 149 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: first record he ever created was his own voice reciting 150 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: the nursery rhyme Mary had a little lamb. I bet 151 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: you didn't know that. In nineteen twenty, he announced plans 152 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: to capture a different kind of voice, one that belonged 153 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 2: to those no longer living, specifically a spirit phone capable 154 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: of talking to the dead. Mark Hartzman, who is a 155 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: historian and the author of Chasing Ghosts, A Tour of 156 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: our fascination with spirits and the supernatural, said, aside from 157 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: the life changing feat of breaking through the Veil, I 158 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 2: believe Edison's interest in spiritualism was simply to demonstrate that science, 159 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 2: not mediums and Ouiji boards, was the way to do it. 160 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: In fact, in nineteen twenty, Thomas Edison told American magazine 161 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: that the methods and apparatus commonly used and discussed are 162 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: just a lot of unscientific nonsense. Some believed Edison's supposed 163 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: belief in communicating with the dead was a joke or 164 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: a chance to make headlines and capitalize on spiritualism's popularity. 165 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: But at the same time, Edison had an unusual hypothesis 166 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: regarding what happens after humans die. The inventor spoke of 167 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: his belief in the idea of units in a nutshell, 168 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: one hundred trillion of them make up a human being 169 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 2: and keep us functioning. When we die, the life units 170 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: move on to someone else. That's another way of saying 171 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: our energy cannot be destroyed. It's now over one hundred 172 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: years since Edison was designing this machine to record spirit voices, 173 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: and although spirit communication is not yet in every household 174 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: using technology, there's plenty of people using technology to record 175 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: voices and images of the afterlife. During the break, I'm 176 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 2: going to ask you to pack your suitcase, a swimsuit, 177 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: suntan lotion, sunglasses. We're going to Brazil, and you'll hear 178 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: about three mediums who have done extraordinary things to connect 179 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: with the afterlife. Then toward the end, you'll hear from 180 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: a mom who's making a difference helping people through grief, 181 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: and also her unique way of connecting with her daughter KaiA. 182 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: Let's go to the break and then we'll be back. 183 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 184 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 185 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 5: Stay right there, there's more Sandra coming write out. 186 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: The Internet is an extraordinary resource that links our children 187 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: to a world of information, experiences, and ideas, and also 188 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: can expose them to risk. Teach your children the basic 189 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: safety rules of the virtual world. Our children are everything. 190 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: Do everything for them. 191 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 6: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 192 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 6: Paranormal Podcast Network. Check out all our shows on the 193 00:13:47,200 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 6: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you find your favorite shows. 194 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 195 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: I want you to imagine growing up in a country 196 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: where believing in the afterlife is normal in most of 197 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: the world. If a little child talks about seeing Grandma 198 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: or Grandpa or somebody else in the afterlife, normally they 199 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: call them their imaginary friends, and the kids aren't taken seriously. 200 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: Could you imagine encouraging children to talk more about the 201 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: people they are seeing and encourage spiritual development. Back on 202 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: episode fifty three, we spoke to Nikola Farmer, who works 203 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: with young children with the belief that we are all 204 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: born naturally psychic. These young children are able to do 205 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: extraordinary things while blindfolded. They are able to see using 206 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: the power of their minds. They can read books, play 207 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: catch with a ball, even do arts and crafts, all 208 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: with no vision. Earlier, I told you to pack your 209 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: bags because today we are venturing to the country of Brazil, 210 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: known for the Amazon River, the rainforest, Rio di Jannio's carnival, 211 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: their love for football, food, gorgeous beaches, colorful cities, samba music, 212 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: and where people grow up believing in the afterlife. I 213 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: first learned of the religion or belief in spiritism, when 214 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: my mom and I owned our thirty year catering business 215 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: working with race car teams. When my book We Don't Die, 216 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: a skeptics discovery of life after Death came out twenty twelve, 217 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: Brazilian race car driver Champion Oznegri told me about his 218 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: country's belief in the afterlife. He gave me some websites 219 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: to research and told me that most people grow up 220 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: believing in life after death. Today, I want to share 221 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: the amazing works of three Brazilian afterlife pioneers who have 222 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: done some incredible things. But first I'd like to tell 223 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: you about Spiritism. The Spiritist movement began in nineteenth century 224 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: France with the writings of Hippolyte Revail under the pseudonym 225 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: Alan Cardick. In his most famous work, The Spirit's Book, 226 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: Cardick codified the philosophy that would later sweep the world 227 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: as the Spiritist movement. While this book and others written 228 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: by Cardik and his followers provide detailed descriptions of spiritist principles, 229 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: what appears to be most essential to the movement is 230 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: the belief that a spirit exists within each human body. 231 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: They believe the spirit reincarnates into an afterlife body, progressing 232 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: towards spiritual perfection. Spiritists also believe in the existence of 233 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: other life forms in the universe, God as the supreme intelligence, 234 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: and an afterlife that is physically close to planet Earth. 235 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: They believe when we pass, we go to a colony 236 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: of souls that float over the Earth. Spiritism took root 237 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: in Brazil with the help of Chico Javier, which I 238 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: would normally pronounce Chico Xavier. He was born in nineteen 239 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: ten and died in two thousand and two, one of 240 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: Brazil's most famous celebrity mediums. We'll be discussing more shortly. 241 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: Mediums are a critical aspect of spiritism. They can communicate 242 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: with spirits of the afterlife through seances or other means. Javier, 243 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: for instance, was renowned for his ability to write letters 244 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: from the dead to their loved ones. Six of these 245 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: letters were actually used as legitimate evidence in murder trials. 246 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: The charisma and popularity of Javier contributed to the explosion 247 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: of spiritism in Brazil. Today, Brazil is the most spiritist 248 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: country in the world, with over six million believers. Spiritism 249 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: is the third largest religious group after Catholics and Evangelicals. 250 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: Another twenty million people call themselves spiritist sympathizers, meaning they 251 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: still belong to their Catholic or Evangelical church, but they 252 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: also believe in spiritism. In the city of Palmelo, for example, 253 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: one in every seven people is a medium. Most spiritists 254 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: are highly educated, middle to upper class, over ninety eight 255 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: percent are literate. This can be attributed to the fact 256 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: that spiritism demands intense personal study and research to be 257 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: truly understood, as well as a common sentiment that Spiritism 258 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: is more refined than traditional Catholicism and spiritism does not 259 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: necessarily conflict with other religious beliefs. Many claim spiritism is 260 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 2: not a religion, but more of a philosophy. They believe 261 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: that the science of spiritism allows them to understand much 262 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 2: of what their religion leaves unexplained. Spiritism is often in 263 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: the media, making appearances and countless soap operas and television shows, songs, 264 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: and even a twenty ten Brazilian blockbuster film about medium 265 00:19:51,440 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: Chico Javier. Most corporations have a Spiritist association, including magistrates, psychologists, artists, 266 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: military and teachers. Spiritism is even taught at public university 267 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: and has museums dedicated to it. In Brazil, April eighteenth 268 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: is officially recognized as National Day of Spiritism. Let's talk 269 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: more about medium Chico Javier, who was known as a 270 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: psychographic medium. In English, we would call this automatic writing, 271 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: where he would go into a trance channel the spirit 272 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 2: of a deceased person and record their words, often in 273 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: the spirit person's own handwriting. Francisco Candido Javier was fondly 274 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: known as Chico or Chico Javier, and he published more 275 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: than four hundred of these books from nineteen thirty two 276 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: until his death at the age of ninety two in 277 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: two thousand and two. Twenty five million copies of his 278 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: books have been sold. They have been translated into many languages. 279 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: His book No so Lar, also known as astral City, 280 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: was sort of a spiritual memoir, first published in nineteen 281 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: forty four, and it's probably the biggest psychographic hit ever. 282 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: More than sixty Brazilian editions have been printed and over 283 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: two million copies sold. In fact, a full feature film 284 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: was made too, that you can find on Amazon. In 285 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: addition to publishing books, Javier used his ability to record 286 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: more than ten thousand letters from dead people to their families. 287 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: Most often it was grieving mothers who traveled from all 288 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: over Brazil to visit him in the city of Uberaba, 289 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: hoping he would channel messages from their children. In these letters, 290 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: the discarnate spirits typically assured loved ones that there was 291 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: no need to worry, that they were safe and happy, 292 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: and that they still loved their families very much. Sometimes 293 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: the writing was backwards and could only be read with 294 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: the use of a mirror, and sometimes it was in 295 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 2: a language Javier did not speak. Skeptics who questioned the 296 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: letters authenticity were usually convinced by the handwriting and the 297 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 2: inclusion of intimate details only the deceased could know. Javier's 298 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: powers were so widely recognized that a few times these 299 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: letters were accepted as evidence in courts of law. The 300 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: most famous occasion was in nineteen seventy nine, when teenager 301 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: Jose Nunes was tried for the murder of his best friend, 302 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: Mauricio Garcis. The two boys had been playing with a 303 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: gun that went off in Nunez's hands, killing Garcus. While 304 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: criminal proceedings were underway, Garcius's grieving parents went to see Javier, 305 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: hoping a letter from their son might bring them comfort. 306 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: It took a while, but eventually a message arrived from Garcius, 307 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 2: declaring that his death had been an accident. Neither Jose 308 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: nor anyone else is guilty, the letter said, and if 309 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: anyone should ask for forgiveness, it's me, because I shouldn't 310 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: have been playing around with the gun. I should have 311 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: been doing my studying. It concludes, as many such messages do, 312 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 2: with an assurance I am alive. Garcius's parents submitted the 313 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: letter to the presiding judge, who accepted it as witness testimony. 314 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: An analysis of the letter's signature confirmed that it was 315 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: exactly the same as Garcis's. The judge admitted the psychographt 316 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: letter as evidence and moved to acquit Nunez. The jury 317 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: agreed six votes to one. By the time of this trial, 318 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: Javier was famous throughout Brazil. In nineteen seventy one, three 319 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: quarters of Brazil's televisions tuned into a special live interview 320 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: with him on the show The Firing Line. It was 321 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: the largest television audience in Brazilian history. It was planned 322 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: for only one hour, but lasted nearly three. The audience 323 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: response was so extraordinary that Javier was invited to do 324 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 2: a follow up interview later that year. That one lasted 325 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 2: four hours and was watched by an estimated twenty million people. 326 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: Of course, not all Brazilians who watched or convinced that 327 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: Javier could communicate with spirits, but over the years he 328 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: became so widely respected for his humility and generosity. He 329 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: donated all of the proceeds from his books to charity 330 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 2: and charged nothing for the letters. More than two million 331 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: people signed a petition nominating him for the Nobel Peace 332 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: Prize in nineteen eighty one. After our break, I have 333 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: a few more words about medium Chico Javier. Plus I'm 334 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: going to introduce you to a totally different kind of 335 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: medium and you will be amazed at the work he does, 336 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: not only giving his proceeds a way to charity, but 337 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: starting an orphanage. There's a lot more coming up, including 338 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: I have a free gift for you that I'll tell 339 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: you about in the last segment. So stay write where 340 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: you are and we'll continue our travels in Brazil. Will 341 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 2: be read back. 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It's the official Coast to Coast AM YouTube channel. 361 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 5: You're gonna love this. Just get on over to Coast 362 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 5: tocoastam dot com and start your free listening. Now. Hey, 363 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 5: this is George Nap and you're listening to the iHeartRadio 364 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 5: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 365 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 366 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: and today we're looking at three extraordinary media from Brazil. 367 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: Did I hear you say you'd love to hear that 368 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: music again? How about a little samba? I hope you 369 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: have a smile on your face. Our energy allows the 370 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: spirit world to do some magnificent things. So anytime you sing, 371 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 2: you dance, you laugh, they can use your energy and 372 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 2: direct it where it's needed in the world. And we 373 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: know our world is in need of healing. I'd like 374 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 2: to share a few more things about Chico Javier before 375 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: we move on to our next medium. Javier, as you remember, 376 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: was the medium with over four hundred books channeled from 377 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: deceased people. In addition, thousands of letters came through him 378 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: and were delivered to loved ones, often in the handwriting 379 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 2: of the deceased person. When Javier died in two thousand 380 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: and two, three thousand people passed by his coffin each 381 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: of his two day wake. After waiting in a line 382 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: that stretched for two and a half miles, more than 383 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: thirty thousand fans and onlookers accompanied the funeral procession on foot. 384 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: At the cemetery, a police helicopter dropped rose pedals on 385 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: the casket. The governor announced three official days of mourning. 386 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: The country's president described Javier as a great spiritual leader 387 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: who was loved and admired throughout Brazil and left his 388 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: mark on the hearts of all Brazilians. In two thousand 389 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: and six, when A national magazine polled its readers to 390 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: select the greatest Brazilian in history, Javier one with thirty 391 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: six percent of the vote, nearly twice that was received 392 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: by the runner up race car driver Eraton Senna. In 393 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: twenty twelve, seventy one percent of voters agreed he was 394 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: the greatest Brazilian of all time. Javie and his work 395 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: lives on. He was and will remain a central and 396 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: beloved figure, not only in Brazil but throughout the world. 397 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: Our next Brazilian medium today is Jose Madrado, who is 398 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: a medium of multiple faculties, a spiritist lecturer, and has 399 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: visited countries in Europe and the Americas with demonstrations of 400 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: his unique form of mediumship. Madrado has many abilities, some 401 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: he's had from childhood, others he developed in adolescence. But 402 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: he started to paint mediumistically when he was twenty seven 403 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: years old. This means with his eyes closed and fingertips 404 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: on a canvas with oil paints close by, Madrado channels 405 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: deceased artists and produces works of art in those artists 406 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: styles and they are completed in just minutes. Did I 407 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: say his eyes are closed all of the money made 408 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: benefits his orphanage. The City of Light. Artists that he 409 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: works with includes Renoir, Monet, van Go, Gogin, Picasso, Panchetti, Portinari, 410 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: La Trek and more. I first found out about Jose 411 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 2: Madrado from our mutual friend medium Scott Milligan, who you've 412 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: heard on Shades of the Afterlife several times, who gave 413 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: me the gift of a painting by Madrado. Scott was 414 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: responsible for preparing the hotel room Madrado would be staying 415 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: in at one of his demonstrations, and purchased a vase 416 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 2: of flowers for his hotel room. When Madrado went into 417 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: trance and channeled the painter Renoir, Scott was by his side, 418 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: and in just over five minutes, a painting of the 419 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: exact vase of flowers in his hotel room was created. 420 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: Madrado had not yet seen these flowers yet apparently Renoir 421 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: had seen them from the afterlife. I'm thrilled to have 422 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: that gift of that painting. Madrato describes going into trance 423 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: as follows. I put myself totally at their disposal. I 424 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: do a short prayer and then there is a shock 425 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: that goes through my spine, and from there I go 426 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: into trance. I am not unconscious yet I have no 427 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: awareness of what is going on around me. I don't 428 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: see things. I always make the comparison of when someone 429 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: is put under general anesthesia for surgery, all you can 430 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: hear is things from far away, so it's more like that. 431 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: But I always intend to be with a clear mind. Generally, 432 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: it's like moments of meditation, when you're lying down in 433 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: rest time. That's how I feel. As for the orphanage, 434 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: Madrado has had a passion to help children since he 435 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 2: was young. He says, I was a very poortrait, I 436 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: was hungry. I went through a lot of difficulties. So 437 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: this established my passion and I said, one day I 438 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: will do for children when I didn't have the opportunity 439 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: to do, and I will give them things that I 440 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: did not have. An orphanage in Brazil called the City 441 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: of Light was in need of funding to stay open. 442 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: Madrado first had the visit from the spirit of the 443 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: long dead painter Renoir with a proposal to provide funding 444 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: for the orphanage by having Renoir and other art masters 445 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 2: in the afterlife paint through him and for him to 446 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: sell the paintings. As he put it, he was proposing 447 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: to transform paint into bread, and he was going to 448 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: make Madrado a human paintbrush to be used by these 449 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: masters to paint their beautiful artwork. This action has been 450 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 2: termed psycho pictography or pictography. At first, Madrado was reluctant 451 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 2: to accept the invitation because he had never taken any 452 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: painting course and he did not understand art, but he 453 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: was soon persuaded because of the good it would do 454 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 2: for the orphanage. Renoirre made it clear to Madrado when 455 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: they started to work together that even if one cent 456 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: of the money that came from the paintings was used 457 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: for anything except service to the poor, the painters would 458 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 2: stop working with him. Since then, Madrado has produced a 459 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 2: NonStop stream of artwork and is referred to as the 460 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 2: Living Brush. Madrato also does sculpture and porcelain paintings through 461 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 2: the inspiration of these artists in spirit. While working full time, 462 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 2: he has used his mediumistic gifts to create a model 463 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 2: community center. The City of Light now has a staff 464 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 2: of twenty two people and two hundred volunteers. Fifteen hundred 465 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: people a month access for free healthcare, three hundred children 466 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 2: receive free education, five hundred families a month engage in 467 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 2: cultural activities, and over one hundred homeless people per week 468 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 2: are given access to food, clothes, fresh showers, as well 469 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: as health care and spiritual support. The City of Light 470 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: offers free medical, dental, psychologists, and social support to the community. 471 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 2: This work is done without government support and is in 472 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: an area where there is extreme poverty. Currently, Madrado City 473 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 2: of Light is facing a new challenge, being threatened to 474 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: close down unless they comply with brand new fire regulations, 475 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: costing them many thousands of dollars. In the next segment, 476 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 2: I'll include details how you can find out more about 477 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: the City of Light. I'd like to read some words 478 00:35:53,719 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: from blogger Julianne about her experience with Madrado. She said, Thursday, 479 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: we had a guest visit by trance painter Jose Madrado 480 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 2: from Brazil. In a lecture through his interpreter Marilla, Jose 481 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: gave a talk on how to connect to spirit, his 482 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 2: personal background, and then as he felt his healing guides 483 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 2: were with him, he gave a healing to one of 484 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 2: the students who was in need. When he was doing this, 485 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: there was a strong smell of ether in the air. 486 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: He said that his guides do that to provide this 487 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: as proof of them being there. In the trance art session, 488 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 2: he went into trance very quickly and started painting. His 489 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 2: assistant prepares by laying out all the tubes of paints 490 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: and utensils around him, and he chooses them as he 491 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 2: needs to. She quickly cleans them as he finishes using 492 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: them and then replaces them for him to use again. 493 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,720 Speaker 2: In his art, Madrato channels the old masters and paints 494 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 2: and styles from the Renaissance period through to Postmodernism with 495 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 2: Impressionists heavily. In his demonstrations. He uses acrylic paints and brushes, scalpels, 496 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 2: wide paint brushes like for a house scrubbing brushes, and 497 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 2: his fingers. Often he is painting with his eyes completely 498 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 2: shut and takes just minutes to complete each painting before 499 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: starting the next one. We could smell ether again from 500 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 2: time to time during the demonstration, which lasts about two 501 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 2: and a half hours, with him in trance for over 502 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 2: two hours. When he paints, Madrado stands up with a 503 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 2: canvas laying flat on a table in front of him. 504 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 2: He starts by dotting some paint on the canvas and 505 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 2: smearing it with his fingers or the big paint brush. 506 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 2: Then he uses his fingers, small brushes, scrubbing brushes, or 507 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 2: scalpels to finish his work. At the end of the demonstration, 508 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 2: all the paintings created were auctioned to raise money for 509 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 2: the charitable organization founded and run by him, the City 510 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 2: of Light in Brazil. In our next segment together, I 511 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 2: promise I will include how you can watch videos of 512 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 2: Jose Madrado and the inspirers that work through him doing 513 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 2: these incredible works of art. Madrado is only a few 514 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 2: years older than me, so he grew up in Brazil 515 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 2: when spiritism was well known. He heard voices. As a child, 516 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 2: he was open to the afterlife. Are you beginning to 517 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 2: see the difference it would make in a child's life 518 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 2: being open to the belief that we are souls having 519 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 2: a human experience and that we don't die. When you 520 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 2: grow up believing that anything is possible and that you 521 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 2: have guides, inspirers, and loved ones working by your side, 522 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: it might be possible to listen to these words of encouragement. 523 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 2: Most of us, when we're kids. We're living a happy 524 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 2: life and then we get shut down, whether somebody tells 525 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,240 Speaker 2: us we're not good enough or we're not smart enough. 526 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 2: It's tough being a kid. But consider how the future 527 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 2: would look if on a global scale, people believed in 528 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 2: the afterlife raise their children like Nikola Farmer does, letting 529 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 2: them know that they have psychic abilities and shows them 530 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 2: how to use them. I think personally, the world would 531 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 2: be a much different place. And by the way, I 532 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 2: don't mind if you share these episodes to give your 533 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 2: fellow humans a little faith, comfort and support. It's time 534 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 2: for our break and we'll be back with another story. 535 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 536 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 2: and costco today M Paranormal podcast Network. 537 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 5: Keep it here on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 538 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 5: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Sander Champlain will be right back. 539 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 7: Are you looking for that certain someone who shares your 540 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,439 Speaker 7: interests in UFOs, ghosts, bigfoot, conspiracy theories, and the paranormal, Well, 541 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 7: look no further than paranormal date dot com, the unique 542 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 7: site for like minded people. 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This is the iHeartRadio in Coast to Coast 552 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 5: am Paranormal Podcast Network. 553 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 554 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 2: and we are exploring spiritism and three unique Brazilian mediums. 555 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 2: They all have one thing in common. Have you guessed it? 556 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 2: They give their money to charity. They've lived without much 557 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 2: money and made their life about service to others. And 558 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 2: if you look hard enough today you'll find some of 559 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 2: the best mediums charge the lowest price. They certainly have 560 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 2: their needs covered, but it's not about fame and fortune. 561 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 2: It's about making a difference with others. A lady medium 562 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 2: with a lot of integrity that I recently spoke with, 563 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 2: so that a medium reading shouldn't cost more than a 564 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,280 Speaker 2: really good haircut. I like that going forward. The only 565 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 2: interviews I will now share with mediums are ones that 566 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 2: offer the ten minute money back guarantee. If you're not 567 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,760 Speaker 2: satisfied in those first ten minutes, you let the medium 568 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,959 Speaker 2: know the reading comes to an end and you don't pay. 569 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 2: I hope together we can make that standard in the world. 570 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 2: It's hard enough to lose a loved one, and it 571 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 2: really hurts to be taken advantage of by a medium. 572 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 2: The gift I have for you is I created a 573 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 2: special web page that you can go to and you 574 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 2: can see all three of these mediums, plus Nicola Farmer 575 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 2: and the video about the Blindfolded children. You can read 576 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 2: some of Chico Javier's words, you can watch Jose Madrado 577 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 2: do his paintings, and you can watch the movie I 578 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 2: produced on this next medium all at We Don't Die 579 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 2: dot Com Forward slash Brazil again. That's We Don't Die 580 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 2: dot Com Forward Slash Brazil. Are you ready to hear 581 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 2: our next medium? Drum roll? Please? Oh Sandra, that's not 582 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 2: a drum roll, that's your samba music. That's right, I 583 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 2: love it. Our last medium is someone we know from 584 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 2: episode one. We've heard her EVPs on episode one four seven. 585 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 2: It's the extraordinary Sonya Ronaldi, who captures images and voices 586 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 2: from the afterlife. Now, there's no secret that I love 587 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 2: this woman, and I love what she does, and I 588 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 2: love the passion she has, especially for helping bereaved parents. 589 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 2: She's never charged a penny and makes the most incredible difference. Again, 590 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,720 Speaker 2: she grew up in a country that believes in spiritism. 591 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 2: I have the entire documentary for you on Sonia Andaldi 592 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 2: at We Don'tdie dot com forward Slash Brazil. Basically, I 593 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 2: heard about Sonya back in two thousand and two at 594 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 2: an afterlife seminar. They said there's a woman in Brazil 595 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 2: who will meet with parents with a tape recorder and 596 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 2: a second recorder that has some garbled human voices on it. 597 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 2: There's an empty chair for the child in spirit. The 598 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 2: parents ask questions of the children, the recorder records the 599 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 2: garbled voices, and when the recording is played back, the 600 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 2: children are speaking back to their parents. Back in twenty eighteen, 601 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,959 Speaker 2: I got to meet Sonya in person and now only 602 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 2: to find out she is working with cameras and video 603 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 2: and recording things like a blank television screen or steam 604 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 2: or static that is being projected into a clear object. 605 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 2: After seeing her work and having my dad's picture and 606 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 2: my ex boyfriend's picture who's now in spirit both come 607 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 2: through in pictures we do not have of them alive. 608 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 2: I was sold on her work. A shout out to 609 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 2: Robert Lyon, who made this documentary film. My words on 610 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 2: this episode will not do Sonya and Naldi justice, So 611 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 2: I hope you take me up on my offer. Not 612 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 2: only is the documentary film there for you, but also 613 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 2: you can see of her latest work. You may be 614 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 2: left with these people are extraordinary. What difference can I make? 615 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 2: I'd like to play for you a few words from 616 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 2: a mom who, after her daughter died, decided to do 617 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 2: her own investigation, and she created a small YouTube channel 618 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 2: helping other folks who are grieving and giving her advice 619 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 2: to connect with the afterlife. She gets the greatest evidence 620 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 2: that her daughter is still around when she's taking a bath. 621 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 2: Here's her words. 622 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 8: Hi'll, this is Catherine. Welcome to a grief Journey. To 623 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 8: document my journey through grief after my eleven year old 624 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,919 Speaker 8: daughter suddenly and unexpectedly died. Today. I want to talk 625 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 8: about something that has given all of us a lot 626 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 8: of comfort, and that is something called after death communication. 627 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 8: So I had an old friend reach out to me 628 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 8: and ask, have you had an any of these experiences 629 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 8: after Kya has passed? And my response was yes, We've 630 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,760 Speaker 8: all had quite a few of these experiences with Kaya, 631 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 8: and they've given us sometimes a lot more comfort in 632 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 8: the journey. I think some people who might experience something 633 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,959 Speaker 8: known as an after death communication might dismiss it as 634 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 8: just in their imagination. At the very beginning after Kya died, 635 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 8: everything was very chaotic, but if I was able to 636 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 8: get away from the chaos enough, I would feel her 637 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 8: presence with me. So I got away from the chaos 638 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 8: by taking baths. I think I was taking four or 639 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 8: five baths a day. Every time I took a bath, 640 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 8: I could feel her presence with me, and I would 641 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 8: just talk to her and I felt very comforted that 642 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,720 Speaker 8: she was still there. One evening, I took a bath 643 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 8: and I couldn't feel her presence, so it was perplexing me. 644 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 8: The next day, I got a call from Kaya's best 645 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 8: friend's mom who told me that her daughter felt Kaya 646 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 8: the evening before. So when I could not feel Kaiya, 647 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 8: her best friend could feel Kya. Since then, we've also 648 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,799 Speaker 8: had very vivid dreams. They're not your typical dream. We 649 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 8: didn't wake up and have the memory of the dream 650 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 8: fade away. It's still as very clear in our minds, 651 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 8: these dreams that we've had where we've been able to 652 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 8: be with Kaya and the dream we were still aware 653 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 8: that she had died and we were able to do 654 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 8: things with her, have conversations with her, watch her play, 655 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 8: watch her have joy again. And I would say for me, 656 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 8: these dreams have been the most comforting after death communication 657 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,239 Speaker 8: that I've gotten from Kya. We've also had some things 658 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,319 Speaker 8: around the house. She was banging and clanging around in 659 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 8: her room for a good three months after she died. 660 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 8: That seemed to stop a couple of weeks ago, but 661 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 8: it was very very clear that there was nothing in 662 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 8: her room that could have made those noises. We've also 663 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 8: had some things with electronics going wonky around our house. 664 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 8: My husband, who I would say, before all this has happened, 665 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,280 Speaker 8: was the most skeptical among us of things like life 666 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 8: after death and the eternity of a soul, But he's 667 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 8: been the one who's had the most experiences with her. 668 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 8: He has seen her a lot, He's heard her voice 669 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 8: tell him things like I love you, Tell Mom, I 670 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 8: love her. Tell KRN, I love her. So he's had 671 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 8: the most experiences and he is no longer a skeptic. 672 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 8: I think the most interesting things that we are attributing 673 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 8: to after death communication that we've experienced were at her memorial. 674 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 8: So we had her memorial outdoors by this creek she 675 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,839 Speaker 8: always used to love to go to and play in 676 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 8: and walk through, and near the end of her memorial, 677 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 8: it was like all of her friends were suddenly called 678 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 8: down to play in the creek. It was just this 679 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 8: mass exodus from the memorial straight to the creek, and 680 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 8: then we saw a hawk circling over her friends a 681 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,880 Speaker 8: couple times and then perching and just watching the friends play. 682 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 8: So we feel like that was Kaya calling them to 683 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 8: go play in the creek and have some moments of 684 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 8: joy after her memorial, which was very hard for all 685 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,959 Speaker 8: of them. Kaya was a kind of kid who kept 686 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 8: friends around for years and years and years, and these 687 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 8: are people that she had known for a very long 688 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,439 Speaker 8: time and it was a very hard loss for them. 689 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 8: So to see them able to experience that joy, we're 690 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,839 Speaker 8: pretty sure that was Kaya's doing. After her memorial, we 691 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 8: went to spread her ashes in a spot outdoors at night, 692 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 8: and a very dear friend of mine saw her first 693 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,719 Speaker 8: shooting star of her entire life life the moment we 694 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 8: spread the first part of her ashes. We also believe 695 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 8: that that shooting star was another sign from Kaya. It 696 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,759 Speaker 8: was not a night with a meteor shower, it was 697 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 8: not great clear sky conditions to see things, but she 698 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 8: was able to see her first shooting star. Those are 699 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 8: the experiences that we've had. Many people who have lost 700 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,960 Speaker 8: someone have similar stories, and I think many more people 701 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,399 Speaker 8: possibly experience something similar but dismiss it because they don't 702 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 8: believe it could be true. They give us peace and 703 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,319 Speaker 8: help us move on. If any of you out there 704 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 8: are skeptics and someone is sharing an after death communication 705 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 8: experience with you, maybe it's a good idea to just 706 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 8: express that you're happy that it's given them such peace 707 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,799 Speaker 8: and leave it at that, instead of trying to talk 708 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,919 Speaker 8: to them about why it might not be true, why 709 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,200 Speaker 8: it might just be in their head. But anyway, that aside, 710 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 8: if you have lost someone dear to you, my heart 711 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 8: goes out to you, and I hope you can feel 712 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 8: the love you have surrounding you. 713 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,840 Speaker 2: Wonderful words from Catherine and you can follow her at 714 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 2: a grief journey on YouTube. Hearing the tone of Catherine's 715 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,360 Speaker 2: voice just reminded me of why I do what I 716 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,280 Speaker 2: do here on Shades of the Afterlife. I have felt 717 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,799 Speaker 2: the dark hole and pain coming from grief, from the 718 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,120 Speaker 2: physical death of a loved one. There is nothing worse. 719 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 2: As I'm sure you can agree, I will do everything 720 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 2: possible to help ease pain, to give hope, and to 721 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 2: give evidence that we don't die, that your loved ones 722 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 2: are still around. They're cheering you on and you will 723 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 2: see them again. As a reminder, go check out the 724 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 2: page I created for you, we Don't Die dot com 725 00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 2: forward slash Brazil. My friend, you never know what's possible 726 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 2: when you believe in the afterlife, and that's something we 727 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,720 Speaker 2: can learn from the stories we've heard today. So believe 728 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 2: and miracles may just show up on your doorstep. I'm 729 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain and from the bottom of my heart, thank 730 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 2: you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the 731 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network. 732 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 1: And if you like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, 733 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,200 Speaker 1: wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for 734 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 1: listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 735 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:44,800 Speaker 1: podcast network