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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here, of course,

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Speaker 2: in and listen. We have made it to August eleventh,

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Speaker 2: and we have a stacked night of headlines. So it

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Speaker 2: turns out we are not going to hear anything about

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Speaker 2: the grand jury investigation into the Epstein files, so boom,

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Speaker 2: that seems like a non starter per the judge today.

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Speaker 2: Much to unpack on that one. And then also we're

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Speaker 2: So let's go to a talk back right now. In fact, hey,

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Speaker 2: it's Matt.

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Speaker 3: I haven't been following what's going on with Epstein and

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Speaker 3: Maxwell any update on the grand jury. I'd love to know.

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Speaker 2: Ah yeah, oh yeah, I mean it start.

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Speaker 4: We've been waiting for for that. Everyone has been waiting

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Speaker 4: for body, what's doing?

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Speaker 3: What's funny you should ask? So we do have an update.

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Speaker 3: A federal judge has denied the Trump's administration request to

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Speaker 3: release the Gallaen Maxwell grand jury transcripts, to no surprise

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Speaker 3: to I think anyone, Right.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised. Oh, I'm shocked and surprised. If there was

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Speaker 2: nothing to hide, why not just really.

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Speaker 5: Well, the judge said they offer no new insight into

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Speaker 5: this case. So well that's what he said. But you know,

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Speaker 5: you're supposed to be secret. They're supposed to be secret.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. So because it's a grand jury, meaning it's

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Speaker 2: supposed to be more secretive, right, well, it's.

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Speaker 3: More regular case.

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Speaker 5: So the Trump administration sought to release these grand jury

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Speaker 5: transcripts related to the Justice Department's investigation into the Jeffrey

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Speaker 5: Epstein and Glaine Maxwell cases, aiming to respond to like

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Speaker 5: all this public outcry and criticism and all these conspiracy

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Speaker 5: theories that are swirling around this case. You know, and

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Speaker 5: Epstein he died in jail in twenty nineteen. While awaiting

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Speaker 5: trial on these sex trafficking charges, and Ghlne Maxwell, as

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Speaker 5: we all know, is now serving a twenty year sentence

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Speaker 5: and has been moved to a new prison, like a

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Speaker 5: ever since. So right now we're not going to hear

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Speaker 2: A few things. So talking about Geelane Maxwell for example,

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Speaker 2: So again if you're not following this case closely, that

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Speaker 2: was Jeffrey Epstein who has since died allegedly by suicide.

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Speaker 2: He had this ex girlfriend or they were lovers, or

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Speaker 2: They were in a very long term relationship. And she

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Speaker 2: many many young women. So she's a convicted sex offender,

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Speaker 2: Gelane Maxwell, and again was serving her twenty year sentence

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Speaker 2: until just recently she met with you know, some very

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Speaker 2: collar crimes, not for sex offenders. And while her status

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Speaker 2: has not been changed from sex offender to something else,

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Speaker 2: it's very rare for someone of her status in which

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Speaker 2: It's literally unheard of and very unusual. And I don't

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Speaker 2: know what to make of that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, even there was a former federal prison official,

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Speaker 5: Well, can I add my own little conspiracy theory to this, Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 5: so we know back in May, Pam Bondi told Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: the President of the United States, that his name is

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Speaker 5: in the files.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what That's what we're understanding.

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Speaker 5: Is it possible that the Trump administration like, and listen,

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Speaker 5: I'm not this is not a political thing, of course

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Speaker 5: this is not a political thing. But is it possible

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Speaker 5: that the Trump administration kind of ferreted this deal in

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Speaker 5: order to keep going Happyhill while her case is being.

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Speaker 3: Reviewed by the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: By the way, by the way, because she was looking

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Speaker 2: for a pardon. We do know this. Pam Bondy, to

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Speaker 2: your point, did say that. She really did say that

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Speaker 2: we were going to see these alleged files in this

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Speaker 2: client list that now apparently doesn't exist. We also early

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Speaker 2: days when Epstein first died. You know, we remember when

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Speaker 2: that that island was invaded by all these officials and

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Speaker 2: on the island, and they were basically cameras that were

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Speaker 2: there to basically blackmail potentially very fancy, successful influential world

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Speaker 2: leaders like princes and shaws and you name it. You know,

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Speaker 2: and maybe blackmail them for favor of some kind. My

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Speaker 2: question is this, who the heck is really funding or

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Speaker 2: it's said that he committed suicide, and very recently they've

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Speaker 2: just you know, the Trump associations and all officials have said, look,

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Speaker 2: it was a suicide. He was not murdered, even though

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Speaker 2: so many very official autopsy reports would suggest otherwise, including

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Speaker 2: our very own Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert. That's not

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Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory anymore. And this is really real at

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Speaker 2: this point. Let's add one thing to that too. Joseph

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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan is a death investigator, right, Like, that's his specialty.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, no way, no way, no way that

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Speaker 2: that that bone in his throat, right, that thyroid boner,

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Speaker 3: He was like, there's no way.

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Speaker 4: Exactly well, as did many other to him, many other

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Speaker 4: notable coroners and medical death investigators, as well as a

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Speaker 4: sixty minutes episode was done also debunking the possibility of suicide.

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Speaker 4: And Stephanie, you asked about the money. So a lot

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Speaker 4: of the money and this is fact, not conjecture. Is

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Speaker 4: Leslie Wexner, who owned many clothing brands that you would

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Speaker 4: see in any mall. I mean it was up to

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Speaker 4: hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: Like, why would anybody give Jeffrey Epstein millions and millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars? He was not They said, he's like a financier,

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Speaker 2: a financier of what. He doesn't have an illustrious education,

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Speaker 2: even though he had a very fancy job as a

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Speaker 3: That was a didn't you work at bear Stearns.

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Speaker 2: For like a second? Who was funding him there? Like

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Speaker 2: even that job was brought under society.

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Speaker 5: I don't really know a lot about his background, so.

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Speaker 2: Because he's really mysterious. His background is very mysterious, and

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Speaker 2: he does seem as though less Wexler, who also like

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Speaker 2: from the Limited and the Victoria's Secret, Like, this is

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Speaker 2: a very you know, wealthy, wealthy man. Why was he

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Speaker 2: funding Jeffrey Epstein? What was so special about him? Even

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Speaker 2: putting that aside, now we have Gillaine Maxwell, his buddy,

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Speaker 2: his best friend, his girlfriend. She loves him. Well, remember

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Speaker 2: her father also died of mysterious circumstances and was a

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Speaker 2: total scoundrel, a very wealthy man. How he was like

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Speaker 2: a TV mogul in you know, in England, and then

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Speaker 2: money he had was stolen. He was like a total liar, liar,

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Speaker 2: pants on fire. She has to now leave, comes to

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Speaker 2: the US, hooks up with Epstein and those two up

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Speaker 2: to no good means totally fine. She's now in club

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Speaker 2: fed with a bunch of white collar criminals and she's

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Speaker 2: a convicted sex offender. How does that make sense? I'm

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Speaker 2: dying to hear from you guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, call us eight and a through on crime.

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Speaker 4: What do you think about this whole mess between Epstein

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Speaker 4: and now Gillien Maxwell? You know, should the transcripts? Do

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Speaker 4: you think that the grand jury transcript should be released?

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Speaker 4: Do you think that where she is being held in prison,

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Speaker 4: which is basically unheard of, is the right move for

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Speaker 4: some reason that we are not seeing. But yeah, it

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Speaker 4: is really questioned upon question with this, and I don't.

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Speaker 3: Think it has to be a conspiracy.

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Speaker 5: And now like all these things are happening in the

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Speaker 5: in the country, and everyone, I think on both sides

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Speaker 5: of the aisle are like this is all a distraction,

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Speaker 5: Like everything is a distraction. To stop talking about this,

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Speaker 5: Like I'm nervous even speaking, I'm not even kidding. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not a conspiracy person, you guys know me.

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Speaker 5: I am not a conspiracy person.

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Speaker 2: Same, I seem like I am, oh.

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Speaker 5: Maybe there's something here, you know, like I think maybe

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Speaker 5: there might be something here.

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Speaker 4: Well, the money, it's scared to it. The money, right,

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Speaker 4: the money points to it, right, the cameras point to it.

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Speaker 4: The victims have painted this picture, right. You know this again,

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Speaker 4: this is not conjecture. And the two of them, Jeffrey

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Speaker 4: Ebstein and Gillian Maxwell were convicted.

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Speaker 2: So and by the way, so to what end, Because

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Speaker 2: you know, if we're going to talk politics for one second,

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Speaker 2: all I would say is, regardless of where you sit

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Speaker 2: in this, it feels like it's a pox in everybody's house, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If the previous administration had the smoking gun, they probably

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Speaker 2: My point is, it's kind of implying everybody's kind of

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Speaker 2: involved is what I'm afraid of, or at least this

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Speaker 2: is what it seems like on its nose, and what

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Speaker 5: While according to the DOJ, they said in previous court

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Speaker 5: Well, and then we get this information like Bill Clinton

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Speaker 2: And they're dragged now it's Milania might be into this,

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Speaker 3: And we're in it. We're Shelley, Misscabage exactly where is Shelley?

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Speaker 3: I never said that.

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Speaker 2: I exactly take it back.

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Speaker 3: Delete dangerous waters.

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Speaker 4: Well, listen when you're asking where is you know, Evanka,

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Speaker 4: Well, Virginia Defray's family also had something Stephanie very specific

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 2: She was sixteen years old and by the way, stolen

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Speaker 2: And again, we would love to hear if you have

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Speaker 2: Know, redact their names.

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Speaker 3: I agree you can do that.

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Speaker 2: We get redacted information and I redacted in case you

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Speaker 5: But I don't know why they that's for what though,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, me too.

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00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 5: And it's just like, you know, and it gets pointed

437
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 5: out over and over and over again that this is

438
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 5: all just a distraction, and I'm like, maybe it is,

439
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 5: you know, like rap.

440
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: Who do we trust? Everybody?

441
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: Like so who I trust you guys. I trust you guys.

442
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: I trust you guys with my life, and I trust

443
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: seem Away exactly. And we can all band together and

444
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: anyone listening, let's all band together and just like the

445
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 2: world is going to be fine. We're not looking to perpetuate.

446
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 5: And then your asteroid might be heading toward the planet.

447
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh.

448
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: Okay, that way that sounds asteroid coming. When is that happening?

449
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 5: Well, apparently there's this telescope called Lucifer infer I swear

450
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 5: to God, and it's looking for some sort of interstellar

451
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 5: objects that's heading toward the planet the Devil.

452
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: The telescope named after the Devil is looking for something

453
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: that's potentially going to come to Earth.

454
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: Listen, I just read the headline. Okay, even read the

455
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: article because I'm.

456
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: So scared to google this right now, that's where you're

457
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: appending date for this. I'm so glad.

458
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 5: I'm just saying it just falls in line with everything

459
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 5: that's happening right now. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, I

460
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 5: get it. An asteroid's coming. It's all about right right, attracts,

461
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 5: it's another distraction Lucifer.

462
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 3: See again, I just read the headline. I did not

463
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: read the article. Please don't come for me.

464
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 5: I'm just like trying to make the point that I'm

465
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 5: just like expecting it at this point.

466
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 4: You know, I'm all right. That sounds about right like

467
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: the movie Dumb and Dumber. This is wrong. This is wrong.

468
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 4: Heads are falling off, like.

469
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: We're talking a lot about this Geelan Maxwell situation and

470
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: also how the Epstein files from the grand jury are

471
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: not being released officially. So we have a caller on

472
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: the line, Cocoa. We're so happy you're here. Thank you

473
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: for calling. Tell us everything. Yeah, yes, have you're here.

474
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 6: Thank you, thanks for taking my call.

475
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 4: Uh.

476
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 6: I mean generally, my question is is why is all

477
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 6: of this important to the American people for these for

478
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 6: these files to be released? Like who like not that

479
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 6: I don't care, because I fair care, but they're all scumbags,

480
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 6: And are we trying to prove further that they're just

481
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 6: all scumbags?

482
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: That's such a well question I have, I have.

483
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 5: Okay, So Epstein didn't operate alone, right, like human trafficking

484
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 5: rings rely on like others or enablers, recruiters, financial backers,

485
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 5: complicit security staff, or influential figures. Who protect these perpetrators,

486
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 5: and we need to know who those people are because

487
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 5: they're not in jail, and like that's my thing.

488
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to add to that, and by the way,

489
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: this is a very good question because we're talking about

490
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: it all day, So thank you, Coco for calling us.

491
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: Here's what I think is important about it, and it's

492
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: only becoming more important the less we're told information. I

493
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: think if it's true that very important world leaders were

494
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: brought together and there's videotape of nefarious activities with underage

495
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: girls or overage girls, would just a sexual abuse happening,

496
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: and those tapes are being used as blackmail against who

497
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: are no idea or like what fancy scary important people

498
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: are using this information against each other, then it kind

499
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: of affects all of us because who do we trust

500
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: and like, how do we believe I get it? You know,

501
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: we can all like the you say it so well,

502
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: it's going to sound poorly when I say it's so

503
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: very with me, Coco, but it's true, Like we're getting

504
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: so used to the scumbag thing, right these I think

505
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: most of us and the men that I know and

506
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 2: the and the humans that I live and die for,

507
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: that's not how we all roll, right, so we should

508
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: be annoyed by it. And also those decisions are affecting

509
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 2: our every day and yeah, they might still be okay.

510
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: And also they might be getting out of power or

511
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: compromised because of information, and this one's getting in power

512
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: because of compromising information. Like it feels like there's a

513
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: bigger picture thing happening, like a little club that we

514
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: all don't get to be in. In fact, we're being

515
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: kicked out of it. And whether you're or you know,

516
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: whatever color you are, whatever race you are, whatever gender

517
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: you are, whatever your socioeconomic status is, I think we're

518
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: all in it together. And it's like who do we

519
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: trust above?

520
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 5: And like I say, there's like five people that get named,

521
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 5: I'm just using that number helping dismantle and get information

522
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 5: from those five people can help dismantle this this specific

523
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 5: network and prevent further exploitation of future victims too, Like

524
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 5: that's really important to me. Like now it's not political,

525
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 5: it's this is a this is a crime syndicate exactly.

526
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: And like you said, whoever is on the list question

527
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: mark that there you know was on someone in Bondi's TSK.

528
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: And then disappeared from existence. You know, they are the

529
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 4: perpetrators of crimes and they have not been tried, and

530
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: they power they.

531
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: Are not to mention. Why mention this big list if

532
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't really have any impact whatsoever, Coca, what do

533
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: you think? Do you think it's a bunch of noise?

534
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: What's your take on it?

535
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 6: What I hear you saying is that there's an injustice

536
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 6: and that is the reason that we should care, is

537
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 6: that justice is not being served, that there's a grave

538
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 6: injustice happening out there in the world. And this is,

539
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 6: you know, putting a magnifying glass on a specific thing

540
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 6: that is should be an easy It shouldn't be this

541
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 6: hard right to get justice here.

542
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: Or simple or if and also if people are being

543
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: elected and affecting our day to day, our moneies, our

544
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: ability to have healthy, happy lives, if those decisions are

545
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: being made at a top level, because there's blackmail involved

546
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: over like sexy yucky tapes and like things that were

547
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: happening on an island far far away, which sounds like

548
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: the worst movie ever. If that's the case, then it

549
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: does affect us, and like it's given everybody a bad rap,

550
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: and we deserve better. All of us. Do you do, Coco,

551
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: I feel like you're driving right now and hopefully someplays amazing,

552
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: But like I feel like collectively we all deserve like

553
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: some at least like somebody to believe in. And I

554
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: feel a little lost in the sauce with who to

555
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: follow period other than I guess you, Coco, tell us

556
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: are you running for office? What can we what can

557
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: we expect?

558
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 6: Not yet? But you know, I mean your entire your

559
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 6: entire thing all evening is this is a sense of

560
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 6: almost hopelessness through the injustice that is so in our faith.

561
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: It's kind of.

562
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 6: At every step of this, of this whole situation. And

563
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 6: for a lot of the American people it was a

564
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 6: non starter for certain political figures that you know that

565
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 6: broad in a broad sense, the American voter base decided it.

566
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 6: It was not a deal breaker.

567
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: We wouldn't even thought about it. Honestly, it was made

568
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: a big deal for us, right like we.

569
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 5: Weren't because I was begging to ass on this exactly.

570
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about it until everyone was like, oh,

571
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: and I promised that list. I promised list. I was like, Oh,

572
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm into it. Let's hear the list. Go ahead, justice,

573
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: and now it's like a little bit of a take back,

574
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: and I feel embarrassed that I fell down a rabbit hole.

575
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, I just fear even worse. It

576
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: might include everybody from all sides. And that's I guess

577
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: what gets real scary, because then we're really all a

578
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: bunch of fools. Because I don't care what you believe in.

579
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: My heart is just a bleeder, so I will acknowledge

580
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: that live. But look, whether you're a Democrat or republica

581
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: conservative or carless, we just need one person to believe in.

582
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: And it seems like there's everybody might be in it.

583
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: And how do we miss that. I wasn't expecting that

584
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: on my Bengo card.

585
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 6: You said earlier, that is this not just a giant

586
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 6: distraction to keep us looking at the left hand while

587
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 6: the right hand is like doing some even more pernicious

588
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 6: yes feelings, you know, and that's something that I absolutely

589
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 6: don't trust is not happening.

590
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, even at the minor level, you know, like even

591
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 5: very minor things that might only affect like one percent

592
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 5: of Americans, you know, or something like I don't know,

593
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 5: and this is this is not my expertise. I have

594
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 5: no idea what the heck I'm talking about. I just

595
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: know that I feel strongly that, you know, this kind

596
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 5: of network needs to be dismantled, and in order for

597
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 5: that to happen, the people need to be exposed.

598
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: And we can all agree. I mean, Coco, you included.

599
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: I'm not putting word in zero mouth, but I have

600
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: a sense that none of us want to have pedophiles around, right,

601
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: we're all anti that. We all could agree that, like,

602
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: having sex with young girls is bad, and that's something

603
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: we can all come together on. But it might even be,

604
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: to your point, a distraction against what I don't know.

605
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, this whole thing might be a distraction, Like look

606
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: over here, because this big thing's happening and they want

607
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 5: us talking about Epstein, Like, yeah, it might be. It

608
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 5: might be like inception, like that movie, Oh, the dream

609
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 5: within a dream within a dream, Right, this might the

610
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 5: conspiracy within the conspiracy within the conspiracy.

611
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that movie made me crazy. I don't

612
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: love if my brain collapse on itself doing that.

613
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the call. You're the best listening.

614
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: Keep listening.

615
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is true crime tonight, and it is folks

616
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: like Poco who help make it and craft the show

617
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: and you know, take us some directions we need to

618
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 4: be going in.

619
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: So we hope you do the same.

620
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: We are at eight eight eight three one crime And

621
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 4: if you don't get us immediately as a pickup, you

622
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: can leave a voicemail or even do a talkback that's

623
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio app upright hand corner. You press a

624
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: microphone button and you were on the show. So there's

625
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: another story.

626
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: I think.

627
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: Are we prepared to cleanse our palettes from Ebstein for

628
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: the moment?

629
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: Yes?

630
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, everybody.

631
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: Raised your left hand. Sorry, I feel like we all

632
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: went down the rabbit hole.

633
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: Yea, we went a little bit off.

634
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: Sorry everybody, Sorry everybody.

635
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: No, it's important we have something lighthearted.

636
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: Yes, Nie, I'm strong.

637
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: You know I was going to go to something less lighthearted.

638
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: Let's see, Tah, do you have anything anything?

639
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: What could possibly be less lighthearted?

640
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 7: I mean nothing really lighthearted, but I I'm intrigued by

641
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 7: the Canada story. But I don't know.

642
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Coco was not going to be happy about this. Devastating.

643
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: This is such a pretty devastating.

644
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 7: It's devastating, but it's fascinating. So body, I think you

645
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 7: know a little bit more about.

646
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: This one, Coco, Listen up, because this one's also going

647
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: to make you crazy mad, So feel free to call us.

648
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 5: I'm a massive hockey fan and every people who know

649
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: me know I go to Vegas Golden Knights games all

650
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 5: the time. I grew up in Detroit. Hockey is in

651
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 5: my bloods dream and you know this is really sad

652
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 5: for me. So July twenty fourth, a few weeks ago,

653
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 5: Ontario judge acquitted five former members of Canadian Canada's World

654
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Speaker 5: junior hockey team in their sexual assault case, saying the

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Speaker 5: complaints alleged lack of credibility needed to justify the charges.

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Speaker 5: Now this happened in like twenty eighteen. It was many

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Speaker 5: years ago, this incident that I'm going to tell you about.

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Speaker 5: So a lot of these players have graduated to the NHL,

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Speaker 5: which is like a national hockey league. So while this

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Speaker 5: happened when they were younger in the Canadian junior hockey league. So,

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Speaker 5: in a packed courtroom, Justice Maria Carlcia delivered not guilty

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Speaker 5: verdicts for five former Canadian junior hockey player members after

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Speaker 5: an eight week trial. This trial went on.

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Speaker 2: For that's a long time, even though one of them

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Speaker 2: only one of the five that have been accused had

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Speaker 2: to testify.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, right, well, my player on my team testified,

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Speaker 5: you know as well, Brad Holden.

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Speaker 3: He testified as well. But I digress. Okay.

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Speaker 5: The trial centered on whether or not the complaintant, known

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Speaker 5: as E. M, consented to an all sexual activity during

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Speaker 5: a twenty eighteen hotel encounter. She was at the bar,

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Speaker 5: she was dancing with them. She was, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: these hockey players. She went up to the room and

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Speaker 5: there was a gang kind of.

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Speaker 2: Section hold the role for one sex. She went up

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Speaker 2: to the room with one of the one of them

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Speaker 2: to have consensual sex. By the way, these are all

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Speaker 2: like hot shot hockey players. She goes up to the room,

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Speaker 2: consensual sex and then this particular player starts potentially texting

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Speaker 2: some of the buds the bay in they come in

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Speaker 2: and by the way, she's one hundred and twenty pounds

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Speaker 2: at the time, and you know, these are big athletes.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know how to phrase this.

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Speaker 4: Is it a I mean, the alleged assault would be

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Speaker 4: a gang rate, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I details are hideous, that's it is. There are objects involved.

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Speaker 2: There are very scary, disgusting things at one point, a

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Speaker 2: sheet is laid on the ground of the hotel room

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Speaker 2: and multiple men and objects are really putting it to

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Speaker 2: this woman. And afterward, this main player whose name I'm

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Speaker 2: not even going to say, has a tape and they

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Speaker 2: start asking if she was consenting on tape after and listen,

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Speaker 2: it's getting very Epstein heavy, victim lists heavy. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: we have a call right now. So Shelley, Hi, Shelly,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show. Thank you for calling.

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Speaker 8: Hey, ladies, I listen to you guys on my way

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Speaker 8: home from work every night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for doing that.

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Speaker 8: Oh, are you're welcome? Thank you guys for being on

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Speaker 8: the radio.

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Speaker 3: About your question.

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Speaker 8: No, mine isn't a question, it's more of a statement.

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Speaker 8: So we continue to say, Oh, he's misleading us. He's

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Speaker 8: been throwing things at us, you know, been doing this

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Speaker 8: and been doing that. No, this guy and this guy,

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Speaker 8: I mean, the supposed president Trump, he told us exactly

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Speaker 8: what he was going to do through his.

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Speaker 9: Entire campaign, Yes, that he was going to be doing

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Speaker 9: all of the stuff that he is doing, and everybody

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Speaker 9: who voted for him voted for exactly what he is

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Speaker 9: doing right now.

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Speaker 8: He didn't mask it up. He didn't put like, you know,

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Speaker 8: like people putting on rose colored glasses. Nobody, nobody did that.

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Speaker 8: If you want to sit and say, oh, he's a

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Speaker 8: con man, no he's not.

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Speaker 2: But he did say he was going to get to

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Speaker 2: the bottom of the Epstein thing and release those files,

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Speaker 2: didn't he. I feel like he for sure ran on that.

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Speaker 2: And I don't disagree with you though in terms of

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Speaker 2: thank you for your call, Shelly, We really.

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Speaker 3: By the way, absolutely to that.

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Speaker 2: But Shelley makes a really strong point, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: it's a very fair point. You know. It also goes

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Speaker 2: back to Coco's point of like, look, if they're air

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Speaker 2: quotes scumbags in the office, are we surprised he wasn't,

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Speaker 2: you know, changing anything. But he did say he was

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Speaker 2: going to get to the bottom of the Epstein.

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Speaker 5: And now he says it's a fraud, it's a con

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Speaker 5: it's a conspiracy, it's quote bs, it's bs.

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Speaker 3: Right, But not before before all his enemies were on this.

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Speaker 5: List, and he was going to get to the bottom

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Speaker 5: of it, and he was going to save all the children,

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Speaker 5: and all the people on X and Twitter were posting

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Speaker 5: memes of Donald Trump saving the children because he was

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Speaker 5: going to release the Epstein list and Elon Musk and.

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Speaker 3: Where are they? Where's come on?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: He did tell us all the other things. You're right, Shelley,

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Speaker 3: he did say he.

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Speaker 5: Was going to do mass deportations and dah dah dah,

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Speaker 5: you're absolutely right, But this he said he was also

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Speaker 5: going to do, and it was a major tenant of

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Speaker 5: his candidacy.

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Speaker 2: And like, even if he wants to, everybody who sees

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Speaker 2: these files are like, whoop, They're not really those so,

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Speaker 2: like it just makes me think that they're crazier than

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Speaker 2: we could possibly even imagine. It's I think it's beyond

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Speaker 2: even the Trump of it all.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Prince Andrew stretches my imagination. M So do

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: And that's now didn't he progress his title though? Prince Andrew,

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Speaker 5: he's not prince anymore. He's just a something he did.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know if that's stuck, but I know

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Speaker 5: it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was h.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, no walk in the Park. I

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Speaker 2: should call my mom directly right now, because she's the

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Speaker 2: insider source for all his crown.

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Speaker 3: Her hands on that.

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Speaker 2: But Prince Andrew can travel around the world, and that

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Speaker 2: has now been okay for him, whereas for a very

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Speaker 2: long time that was not the case. And again, is

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Speaker 2: it like world leaders that were not even thinking about

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Speaker 2: And you know a lot of world decisions are being

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Speaker 2: made right now around the edges. Dare I say, and

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Speaker 2: how does that affect us? It just scares me.

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Speaker 5: Prince Andrew has not lost his title Duke of York,

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Speaker 5: but he has lost many of his royal privileges and

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Speaker 5: military affiliations. I stand corrected, Taha, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I like.

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Speaker 3: I thought he lost h r H. But I could

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Speaker 3: be wrong about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, okay, listen, we're going to get back to

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Speaker 2: the NHL hockey scandal. Let's get back to that. Thank

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Speaker 2: you Shelley for the call. Much more on this to come,

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Speaker 2: and and lest I want to put Epstein to bed

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Speaker 2: because this sarrogacy makes us crazy. Story is crazy making.

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Speaker 2: And then a little lighter one la boo boo, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be talking about that too. This is true crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Deep breath, everybody, we are going to be an epsteinless

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Speaker 2: next hour unless you have a talk back, and of

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Speaker 2: course we want to hear from you. But if you've

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Speaker 2: missed any of the show, no stress. You could always

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Speaker 2: catch it as a podcast right after, and please jump

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Speaker 2: in eighty eight three one crime. We really want to

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Speaker 2: hear from you, whether you agree disagree, bring it. We

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Speaker 2: are trying to understand better and we can't do that

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Speaker 2: without everybody's opinion. And so please thank you for the

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Speaker 2: calls and keep them coming. So we kind of jumped

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Speaker 2: off of this NHL hockey story, Sorry.

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Speaker 3: So, and there's so much more.

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Speaker 2: Let's yeah, let's like kind of do a reset of

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Speaker 2: that if we can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: So.

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Speaker 5: July twenty fourth of twenty twenty five, just a few

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Speaker 5: weeks ago, a judge in Ontario, Canada, acquitted five former

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Speaker 5: members of Canada's World junior hockey team in their sexual

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Speaker 5: assault case, saying the complainants allegations lacked the credibility needed

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Speaker 5: to justify this charge. Superior Court Justice Maria carl Sia,

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Speaker 5: I hope I'm saying that right, But you know, after

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Speaker 5: reading what she said, I'm not really I don't really

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Speaker 5: care Sharon prosecute, Like listen, it's it gets kind of

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Speaker 5: wild with the things that she said to this victim.

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Speaker 5: She said prosecutors could not meet the onus of proof

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Speaker 5: charges against Michael McLeod, carter Hart, Alex fourmenton, Dylan Dube

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Speaker 5: and Callahan Foot Okay, those are the hockey players. Now,

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Speaker 5: it's important to remember this happened in twenty eighteen. These

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Speaker 5: players were in the Canadian Junior Hockey League. At this

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Speaker 5: point they've graduated to the NHL. One of you know,

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Speaker 5: full transparency. I'm a Vagas Golden Knights fan. I go

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Speaker 5: to a lot of the games. I dress up in gold.

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Speaker 5: I act like a crazy person. I love the team.

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Speaker 5: One of my players was dressed in gold.

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Speaker 2: I do like.

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Speaker 3: Pictures. It's really wild.

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Speaker 2: Are you a face painter?

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Speaker 3: I have in the past. Yes.

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Speaker 5: So in a packed courtroom this this judge delivered a

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Speaker 5: not guilty verdicts for all five former Canadian junior hockey

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Speaker 5: players after an.

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Speaker 3: Eight week trial.

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Speaker 5: The trials centered on whether or not the complainant, she's

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Speaker 5: known as e M, consented to all sexual activity doing

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Speaker 5: it during a twenty eighteen hotel encounter. Only one of

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Speaker 5: the five players, carter Hart testified, all had pled not guilty.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: The judge cited inconsistencies in EM's testimony and a lack

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Speaker 5: of cooperating evidence, including surveillance footage as key reasons for

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Speaker 5: this acquittal.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this.

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Speaker 5: She also criticized EM's focus on her level of intoxication.

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Speaker 5: So Eam was like, you know, I was really drunk

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Speaker 5: and I was dancing in the bar with these guys.

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Speaker 5: I went up to the hotel room with one of

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Speaker 5: them and we had consensual sex. And right after this

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Speaker 5: encounter with this consensual sex, you know, activity the other

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Speaker 5: guys came in and I was scared and felt rusher,

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Speaker 5: and they video they videotaped her saying after the fact

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Speaker 5: that this was consensual. So the judge kind of really

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Speaker 5: kind of read her the riot Act a little bit

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Speaker 5: and kind of I'm kind of exaggerating, but she kind

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Speaker 5: of was like, listen, I don't really care how drunk

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Speaker 5: you were. You know, you you agreed to this, but

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Speaker 5: you know, the victim is saying, no, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, the agreement though. This is the interesting part

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Speaker 2: because I would say, on behalf of all men, there's

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Speaker 2: no scarier thing than being wrongfully of course sexual all right,

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Speaker 2: So and that's terrible if we get that. So putting

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Speaker 2: that aside for a second, as like, obviously that would

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Speaker 2: be terrible in this case. This you know, the predator

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Speaker 2: or the accused, I should say, after this sex gang

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Speaker 2: bang for lack of better terms. After that, he records

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Speaker 2: her videom saying did you consent to this? And she

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Speaker 2: says yes. It's like it's like honestly, like blink twice,

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Speaker 2: like this is somebody who's been assaulted, victimized, is scared

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Speaker 2: for her life.

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Speaker 4: It just people in the room with five same room

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Speaker 4: with five large athletes.

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Speaker 2: She's a small woman. I would say anything at that

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Speaker 2: point to get out of it. And how could that

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Speaker 2: possibly be the consensual video that this judge is speaking of.

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Speaker 2: That kind of moved the needle. I mean, I listen.

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Speaker 2: Canada has outraged as well.

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Speaker 5: The defense claimed that Em encouraged the group sex and

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Speaker 5: was a willing participant sighting that video and it said

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Speaker 5: she's sitting there and she says it was consensual. And

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Speaker 5: they have to remember this happened after it happened, like

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Speaker 5: they thought, oh we better get this on video.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they had to wearwithal, They had to wherewithal to

872
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: know that they needed a video to put a bunch

873
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: of the text.

874
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 5: They have a group chat right and a bunch of

875
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 5: the text messages have been released of these guys in

876
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 5: the group chat and my guy you know who wasn't

877
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 5: you know, charged with anything. But my guys like, we

878
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 5: didn't do anything wrong. It was more than five guys,

879
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 5: by the way, five guys were charged. Let's just get

880
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 5: that straight.

881
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: It was.

882
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: It was more than five guys, and my guys like.

883
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 5: We didn't do anything wrong. We should sue her like it.

884
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 5: The group text is really gross. If you're Aaron listening,

885
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 5: go read them. They're crazy.

886
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 4: And these text messages were used by the prosecution, and

887
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 4: as you said, it is between the players, and allegedly

888
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: it showed, Yeah, showed that it was McLeod's idea to

889
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 4: invite the teammates to the room, and that the players

890
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 4: allegedly engaged in quote getting their story straight. Ye, by

891
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 4: drafting that narrative, I got your story straight after the

892
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 4: fact and after the fact and the filming for someone

893
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 4: to say, yes, this is consensual. And I believe their

894
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 4: argument was this is what you need to do when

895
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 4: you're an athlete.

896
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: And the judge, yeah, hostage video.

897
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 5: The judge was basically like, oh, they weren't like, you know,

898
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 5: getting their story straight. They were just remembering their you know,

899
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 5: recollection of what happened together in a group chat.

900
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: Also, the judge also scolded em the victim in this case,

901
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 2: for getting her weight wrong. In yesteryear she was really

902
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty pounds, but at the time in

903
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, she said she was one hundred and twenty pounds. Right,

904
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: These are the inconsistencies that we're talking about. And by

905
00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: the way, these are really loved, respected, good looking men

906
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: that are like living their best lives. The idea that

907
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: a girl could be attacked by many men at one time,

908
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: and again some of the details are we won't even

909
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: repeat them because they're so gross, but like it's scary stuff,

910
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: and honestly, Canada is it's a very divided case right now.

911
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: And for this victim who has come forward, she's been shamed.

912
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: She was on the stand for I believe, nine hours,

913
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: when meanwhile only one of the accused took the stand

914
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: at all. And it seems as though it's a band

915
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: of brothers that can't get busted through. And by the way,

916
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 2: I was raised by boys, so I am all things

917
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: like that. A worst nightmare is when people are like

918
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: men are terrible. I do not feel that way at all.

919
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: This is a bummer. It is such a bummer it's

920
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 5: worth noting. I'm sorry, Courtney, go ahead.

921
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 4: Oh, I was just gonna see in EM's words, she said.

922
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 4: And this really hit me so hard. She said, I

923
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: made the choice to dance with them and drink at

924
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 4: the bar. I did not make the choice to have

925
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 4: them do what they did back at the hotel. Right, yeah,

926
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: And it's there is a line that.

927
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: Sense the end. How do we not get that?

928
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 3: It's so basic?

929
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: But I feel like we're seeing that with Epstein, with

930
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: the Diddy things, with this at some point, consent is

931
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: not just a one big broad stroke. That is, you

932
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: cannot treat somebody like an animal.

933
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 5: Well she She sued Hockey Canada after the charges were

934
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 5: dismissed back in I think twenty nineteen, and she sued

935
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 5: Hockey Canada and they settled with her for three point

936
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 5: five million. So there's something there. I mean, even Hockey

937
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 5: Canada was like whoa. You know, the players were formally

938
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 5: charged in twenty twenty four and all took indefinite leaves

939
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 5: from their teams and.

940
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: The NHL is not having them anymore either, Like that's

941
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: also a big deal where they're sort of no is

942
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: that true.

943
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 3: I don't know where that stands right now.

944
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 5: I know that my guy is still on the team

945
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 5: playing today.

946
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: Well it's not season, but.

947
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, season starts in like late September, right, but is

948
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 5: slated too, He's slated to as far as I know,

949
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 5: I need to check into that.

950
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 4: I mean the NFL think of all, I can't recall

951
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 4: one specific one to mine, but so many allegations and

952
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 4: then yeah, you know, going to play, so that that's

953
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: always an interesting.

954
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 11: Area for me.

955
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the judge, the judge ruled, you know that

956
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 5: the players were just recounting their recollections and that text

957
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 5: group message, and the prosecution wasn't able to really go

958
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 5: any further with it. So they were all found not guilty,

959
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 5: and the world moves on another another one bites the dust.

960
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 2: So one bites the dust, right, Well, so that's.

961
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 5: It happier, I know.

962
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 4: Listen, give us a call, like, did you get a

963
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 4: raise today? What's doing in your world? Do you have

964
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: a rest that we should know about? Its engageancakes? Yes, yes,

965
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: on the way we need some good news.

966
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: Give us a call. Eight eight eight three one crime.

967
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: This of course is true crime. Tonight. I'm Courtney Armstrong.

968
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: I am here with Stephanie Leidecker and body move in

969
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 4: and we have a talk back.

970
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 11: Yes, Hi, the other you guys talked about who your

971
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 11: hero is or something along those lines, and I've been

972
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 11: thinking about it and I wanted to tell you who

973
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 11: my hero is.

974
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: It's a girl.

975
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 11: That is in the army or was in the army,

976
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 11: and she was sexually assaulted five times and she's taken

977
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 11: all of that pain and she decided to open a

978
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 11: business with me where we're going to focus on sexual

979
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 11: assault survivors, domestic abuse advisors, and suicide prevention for military

980
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 11: and people like that.

981
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 6: But for her to be able to stand up and say,

982
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 6: I know this.

983
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 11: Happened to me, but now I am going to turn

984
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 11: that into helping and healing for other people, it's amazing.

985
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 11: So that's who my hero is. Her name is Mary

986
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 11: Lou and she is incredible.

987
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 8: Thank you.

988
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm covered in chills right now.

989
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 5: What a beautiful and wonderful to take her power back

990
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 5: right exactly.

991
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: Yes, and helping other.

992
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 4: Yes, that's amazing, and thank you for that talk back.

993
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 4: Mary's great, and do keep listening. We've kind of mentioned before,

994
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 4: but another listener reached out to us.

995
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 3: It was actually via a DM and it was a

996
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: woman in the.

997
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 4: Military who did suffer sexual assault and we have been

998
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 4: working at sort of research heavy and we want to

999
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 4: make sure everything is lined up. But there's a conversation

1000
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 4: about that based on another hero like Mary lou So

1001
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 4: thank you for And.

1002
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: By the way, that's it. I just got I'm literally

1003
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: still covered in chills. That's so who is You're here?

1004
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 3: I have a hero.

1005
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: I know Courtney's going to know this one. I love

1006
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: Whitney Galloway from Pie County Y. I love Whitney Galloway.

1007
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: Whitney Galloway was someone who was one of one of

1008
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: our docks and I gotta tell you she rips my

1009
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: heart out. I'm staring a photo of a tree right now.

1010
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: That right, but again people who just sort of put

1011
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: their hearts out there on their sleeves and pushed through

1012
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: and despite circumstance and listen, we get knocked down. No

1013
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: one's immune to it. We might think we can be,

1014
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: but guess what, no one's immune. But like you take

1015
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: that feeling and push it to something great. Is unbelievable

1016
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: and so inspiring. And hats off to Mary Lou.

1017
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 4: Hats off to Mary Lou and Whitney Galloway is to

1018
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 4: put a period on the end of that who she is.

1019
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 4: It's been wonderful. I just say this because we're old

1020
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 4: but awsome. So Whitney was touched by unspeakable tragedy. This

1021
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 4: is in regards to the piked In massacre, and it

1022
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 4: changed and devastated her life, friends, her best friend, you

1023
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 4: know she she has spoken about this. She was nine

1024
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 4: nine at the time. Again world shattered, changed forever and

1025
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 4: now working through and has a beautiful life to herself

1026
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 4: and also is working as a victim's advocate. So once

1027
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 4: again you purpose, pa purpurpose.

1028
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: Yes, listen, we have this bizarre story of a couple

1029
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 2: who adapted over a dozen babies from Sarah Gates who

1030
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: didn't really know the shocking reality of what their sarrogacy meant.

1031
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about that and also some

1032
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 2: scandalous let booboo chatter that has body all up in arms,

1033
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 2: and yeah, we want to hear it. We want to

1034
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: hear some happy news too, So if you have some

1035
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: good news to share eight three one crime, please share it.

1036
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 2: We all need a little bit of a palette cleanser

1037
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: from all of this crime and sex trafficking talk. It's

1038
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: like a big ick. I have some good news that

1039
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: I want to share. It's not about me. I just

1040
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: love Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson.

1041
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 3: Hundred so adorable those two.

1042
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: I'm late to the game, I get it, but I

1043
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: just want to eat them up. It's so delicious with

1044
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: my favorite couple.

1045
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, they really seem so at ease. And actually the

1046
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 4: movie's supposed to be hilarious Naked Gun. I don't know.

1047
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 2: It's the reason I'm going to go see it this weekend,

1048
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: just because I think they're so adorable. Yeah, and I

1049
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: really look at each other like he just obviously seems

1050
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: so you know, enamored by her, and she seems so

1051
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: at ease with him, gigly and herself, and you know,

1052
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: I wish everybody that dynamic. So yeah, here's to love.

1053
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 2: Here's that's the good nos I have to share.

1054
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 4: All Right, Well, I have a less good news, but

1055
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 4: it's something that has been very prevalent in I'm like

1056
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 4: a one man bad news bears. So this is a

1057
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 4: story that probably has hit a lot of your you know, feeds,

1058
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 4: and it's about the body of a missing North Carolina teen,

1059
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 4: Giovanni Peltier, Pelletier. Excuse me, So Giovanni vanished and when

1060
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: he did, he sent one final haunting text to his

1061
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 4: mother and people had been searching for him and he

1062
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 4: was found in a retention pond in Manatee County, Florida.

1063
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 4: So back just on Friday, August eighth, a male body

1064
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 4: was located and again has been identified as the eighteen

1065
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 4: year old Giovanni. He'd been on vacation. He'd been on

1066
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 4: vacation in Florida with his family and he disappeared. This

1067
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 4: was August first, and this happened after he was picked

1068
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 4: up by cousin, so it was extended family. But within

1069
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 4: half an hour of being picked up by the extended family,

1070
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 4: he sent a text to his mother, reading mom, pulp scam,

1071
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 4: I mean no really yeah, yeah.

1072
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 5: No no other indication of why he needed help though,

1073
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 5: right like that was nothing else scary.

1074
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 4: Can you imagine his mother that right now to get

1075
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 4: that text?

1076
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: So again he did he try to like call her

1077
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: too and.

1078
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he had been on vacation with his mother,

1079
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 4: her fiance, and his four younger siblings. Okay, yeah, and

1080
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 4: before they left for a vacation. Giovanni he joined a

1081
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 4: message group with his paternal relatives and arrange for them

1082
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 4: to pick him up bring him to visit his paternal grandfather.

1083
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 4: So all seems great, and Giovanni's aunt, Desiree, she said

1084
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 4: that Giovanni was unable to meet with his father because

1085
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 4: he is currently incarcerated, but he was excited to meet

1086
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 4: his cousins for the first time, so it was sort

1087
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 4: of a time, yeah, to reconnect. So he was picked

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Speaker 4: up by these three cousins. This was it was late.

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00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 4: It was about one point thirty in the morning on

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Speaker 4: August Firth first, and it was to go on a

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Speaker 4: long drive, so it could have been, you know, save

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Speaker 4: time in traffic and drive late. But something happened about

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00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 4: twenty five minutes into the drive, some kind of a

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00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 4: conflict arose. The car was pulled over, and the accounts

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00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 4: are conflicting. The cousins described Giovanni as acting erratically and

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00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: pulling a knife. Others describe him exiting the car by

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00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 4: his own.

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00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: Volition and walking away. So things are hmm, a.

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00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: Little I possible there was like a family dispute. So

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00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: dad is in prison, now he's meeting him. Cousins. Obviously

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00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: he hasn't spent much time with them. We're only twenty

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00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: five minutes into this car ride. So what would possibly

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00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: have happened so quickly that would make Giovanni want to

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00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: walk away?

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00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 4: As of right now, it doesn't appear that that's known,

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00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 4: but we do know that he tried to call and

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00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 4: FaceTime his poor mother multiple times, and then he reached

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00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 4: out to various other relatives for help.

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00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 3: So something he was.

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00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 4: He was in dress and the following morning, his back back,

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00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 4: his phone and other personal belongings were located by a

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00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 4: truck near the roadside that they had been driving on.

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00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 4: So it's it's really.

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00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 2: Mom was probably just sleeping. It was one thirty in

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00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: the morning, two am.

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00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 5: Well, she tried, He tried to call and fast time

1117
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: her too, right, I mean she correct Listen if he

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00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 5: tried to call me and FaceTime me the moline and

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00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 5: I'm not going to answer either, right, No, yeah, you'll

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00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 5: shake her.

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Speaker 2: I know. It was two o'clock in the morning, three

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01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. Who's going to answer the phone

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01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: at that hour? Oh my goodness.

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01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, So this investigation, we will keep on this story,

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Speaker 4: and the autopsy is scheduled for Sunday, August seventeenth, and

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01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 4: it's very there's just very many questions because the preliminary

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01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 4: autopsy it showed no obvious external signs of trauma or

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01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 4: foul play. So again, we'll keep you updated, but that

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Speaker 4: is the headline.

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Speaker 2: And I asked a question, is there is the family

1131
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: or the cousins that were on the paternal cousins that

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01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: were having this car ride. Nobody has been brought into

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01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: suspicion that there doesn't seem to be any connection there

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01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: as if not that we know of yet, I mean.

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01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 5: Thank god, they're kind of being closed lipped a better thing.

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01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 5: The autopsy schedule for next week, and wow, we don't know. Yeah,

1137
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 5: so it's all kind of hushrush right now.

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01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: Maybe they had a confrontation and then he walked away,

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01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: and then he walked into foul circumstances, perhaps unrelated.

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01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, unrelated to like the confrontation, if exactly. I suppose

1141
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 5: it's entirely possible. Anything's possible at this point.

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 4: Anything's possible, so that there will be more coming out,

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01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 4: more information.

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1145
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,600
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1146
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 5: here with Stephanie and Courtney, and we've been talking about

1147
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,320
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1150
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,160
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1151
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1152
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,600
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1153
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: So what do we else? We got? Should we? Should

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Speaker 3: we go to?

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Speaker 5: Here's summer s Boo boo boo. Listen love boo boo Babe.

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01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 5: You guys know I'm into littla boo boos. Okay, yeah, block,

1157
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 5: I buy some blind boxes. Can I spill your secrets

1158
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 5: that you of course? Okay loves the lt boo boo.

1159
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 5: They come dressed in no outfits. You buy the clothes, Well,

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01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 5: you dress them in outfits that are better than mine.

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01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: I spec I like, well, okay, don't boos.

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01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: Come on.

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01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Courtney, don't sell yourself short, you know,

1164
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: but you're right compared to.

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01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 3: Bodies boo boos.

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01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 5: You guys even put eyelashes on them like out of control.

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01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 3: I listen, I don't have children. I have to dress

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01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 3: something up.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know, you know, not everyone knows about

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 4: these la boo boos, So explain, explain what these things.

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Speaker 11: They're like.

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01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 5: These little they're like maybe what six inches I'm holding

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01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 5: one up. There may be like six inches tall. They're furry,

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01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 5: they've got like ugly little faces, but.

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Speaker 3: They're so cute.

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01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 5: They are super and you know, there's there's retail shops

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Speaker 5: where they sell like you know, Louis quote unquote Louis

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01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 5: Vuitton dresses and Chanel dresses and hats and purses and

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01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 5: like little Nike shoes and like gold chains, and they're

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 5: really cute and you dress them up.

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01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 4: And people including Rihanna, they're often clipped to like a.

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01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 5: Back something to look like a little little like a

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01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 5: car carabineer type of thing, and you clip them to

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01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 5: your purse or you're you know, your rear view mirror, whatever,

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 5: and you dress them up how you want. I have

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01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 5: several different outfits for mine, and I dress them up

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01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 5: depending on what's going on in my life.

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01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. It's ridiculous.

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01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: Wait, I have a little inside, a little behind the

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01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 2: scenes when somebody has to say, like the business of

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01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: our show of you're listening to or whatever, body like

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01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: holds up her La Boo boo. It's like, okay, I'm up,

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it now. Basically, it's basically like everybody,

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: zip it. It's my turn, and the La boo boo

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01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: is the signal. And by the way, could not be cuter.

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01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: It's so cute, looks exactly like you. It does, right, Yes,

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01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: it's so cute.

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01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 3: Adorable purpose at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't like the negative self talk. Body. We're

1200
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: going to work on this.

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01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 3: Listen.

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01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 5: It's just how I am. I I love myself. It's

1203
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 5: just how I talk. It's nothing, you know, nothing crazy.

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01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: So we're working on what. Yet.

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01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: On Wednesday, August sixth.

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01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 5: Masked thieves reportedly stole seven thousand dollars worth of La

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01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 5: Boo Boo dolls from a toy store in La Puente, California.

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01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: It seems very Lapente, it does, right, Listen, you guys

1209
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 3: are laughing, and I'm taking this very seriously. I'm sorry.

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01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: We're just desperate for respect. A lot of trauma tonight,

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01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: can we tell it.

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Speaker 5: I just kind of explained what Lab Boo Boo dolls are.

1213
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 5: They were created by a Hong Kong artist they've been

1214
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 5: you know, kind of viral on the internet.

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01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, there are a big deal with liberty status.

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01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 3: You buy these blind boxes.

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Speaker 5: You don't know what color or you know, whatever you're

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 5: going to get, and there's rare ones kind of like

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01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 5: Pokemon a little bit.

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01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 3: There's rare ones you can and they sell.

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01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 5: You can resell these things for like, you know, five

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01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 5: six hundred bucks and you pay twenty eight dollars for them,

1223
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 5: and you get a blind box and whatever one you get,

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01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 5: what you get, and they're really fun. But somebody stole

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01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 5: them knowing the resell value of them. I'm imagining and listen,

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01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 5: it's not just one guy. Multiple masked suspects used to

1227
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 5: stolen Toyota Tacoma in this heist and cleared the shelves

1228
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 5: methodically at you know, because it's all in surveillance footage.

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01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 5: The stolen dollars were valued at around seventy thousand dollars ago.

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01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 5: The store owner, Joanna avan Dano estimated the total loss

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01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 5: near thirty grand.

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01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 4: Because when I sell value right right, right right, and

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01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 4: especially when you if you don't do the blind boxing, this.

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Speaker 3: Is kind of scary.

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01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 5: You got to be careful about what you're advertising because

1236
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 5: the store advertised or announced a La Buobo restock, so

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01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 5: the thieves knew. Oh they got, you know, a restock

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01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 5: from PopMart who makes the Laboo boos, And they were like,

1239
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 5: we're going to hit that store.

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01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 3: So please listen. If you're selling La Boo Boos, just

1241
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: call me directly.

1242
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: Wait, so, way did you discover the La Bubo because

1243
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: I feel like you were first in line. I know

1244
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: you knew about it before anybody. I think.

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01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 5: I saw it on like YouTube or TikTok and a

1246
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 5: bunch of my friends were like, look at these monsters.

1247
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 5: I'm obsessed and I'm like, what the stupid thing? And

1248
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 5: then and then I saw the outfits you could buy,

1249
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, listen, a little Nikes that

1250
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 5: they sell I could look at Yeah, I could indies.

1251
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 5: This one's indies, Like it's not a little gold chain?

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01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 3: Look at that?

1253
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't she the present?

1254
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 5: And look at the little Nikes? Look at the little Nikeys.

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01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 5: Aren't those adorable fection?

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01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: I want? I want to eat them for dinner. They're

1257
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 2: so cute I can't take it.

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 5: And and the purses they have, like little sunglasses and

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01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 5: purses and hands you know, just I just really like

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Speaker 5: dressing them up.

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Speaker 2: I can't explain it.

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01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: It's like style meal with Joe Bag.

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01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: It looks like we're a little homeless right now. Tomorrow

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01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: we're going to dress up like dress up.

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01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, stick around. We've got more serious things to

1266
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 5: dig into. The Los Angeles surrogacy scheme that has investigators

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01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 5: and us quite frankly stunned. The story is wild. Keep

1268
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 5: it right here at True Crime Tonight. We're talking true

1269
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 5: crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: So listen. There is this wild case out of California

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01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 2: where this couple has had many, many, many children that

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Speaker 2: they have brought into their own home through syrogacy. I

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01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: might add like twenty one children that have been found,

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Speaker 2: and apparently it has been well, Courtney tell us everything.

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01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: It's been this terrible case of I want to say

1276
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 2: child abuse, but that's not what it's being called.

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Speaker 4: It almost reminds me of animal hoarding. I know these

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01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 4: are children I appreciate, so please don't jump all up

1279
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 4: and down on me. But I don't know what it's

1280
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 4: the right word, what it stems from. So what's going

1281
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 4: on is authorities in Arcadia, which is in California. Authorities

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01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 4: removed twenty one children who were in the care of

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01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 4: a couple. We're just going to call a mom and

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01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 4: dad for ease. So, and this happened after there was

1285
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 4: a hospitalization of an infant who had traumatic injuries. Allegedly

1286
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 4: they were caused by a nanny, so that tipped people off.

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01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 4: And all of these twenty one children, the vast majority

1288
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 4: believed to be born through surrogacy, are now in protective custody.

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Speaker 4: So that's good, and law enforcement is investigating whether the

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01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 4: couple operated an unregulated surrogacy scheme and misled surrogate mothers

1291
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Speaker 4: across the United States. It's confusing, confusing one.

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Speaker 2: So basically a couple, by the way, they have like

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01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: a thirty year age difference, right, Well, she is thirty

1294
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 2: eight May so she's yeah, how old is she thirty eight?

1295
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: Thirty eight? And he's how old?

1296
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 3: Sixty five? Okay, it didn't seem so.

1297
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 2: Crazy, I mean, okay, So they decided they want to

1298
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 2: have a family, maybe because you know this air quotes,

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01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 2: dad is a little on the older side, So they

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Speaker 2: want to have a family. So they turned to Saragacy

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Speaker 2: and Sarahgacy if you're not sure what that is, it's

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Speaker 2: like you basically pay another person, a woman to carry

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Speaker 2: your child for various reasons, many really common, you know,

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01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 2: and that happens into it, you know, of course, like

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01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes that's just life's plan and it's a

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01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: beautiful thing. So in this case, they did this twenty

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Speaker 2: one times, and apparently twenty one of these children, who

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Speaker 2: are all very very very young.

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Speaker 5: But well, that's the thing, that's what I was just

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Speaker 5: going to say, twenty one and most of these kids

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Speaker 5: are between the ages of one and three. So did

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Speaker 5: they have like multiple surgis. Yes, at the same time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they did farm, and they were all yeah, and

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Speaker 4: they were all you know, brought to their home and

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Speaker 4: then this mom and dad it's there's this arrested on

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Speaker 4: suspicion of felony, child endangerment collect But that's where I

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 4: brought in. I feel like there's something psychologically devious at

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Speaker 4: risk while they're while they're having all of these children.

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Speaker 4: And I think two of the children, it's not a fact,

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Speaker 4: it's it's a thought that two of the children actually

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Speaker 4: are biologically too mom. But yes, there were multiple surrogates.

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Speaker 4: They've now several of them have now come forward. They

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Speaker 4: say they were misled. They thought the couple's intentions were

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Speaker 4: they didn't realize that there were all these other surrogates

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Speaker 4: carrying these children simultaneously.

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Speaker 2: How interesting. So twenty one, so it's minus the two.

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01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: So maybe like over ten at the same time. Right,

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01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: So if they're between ages one and three, all twenty

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Speaker 2: one of them, Yeah, that means that a lot of

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Speaker 2: surrogates women carrying somebody else's child for them. That was

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01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 2: happening in masses. It's like ten hot time right at

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Speaker 2: a time.

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Speaker 4: And one of the surrogates who came forward again multiple

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01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 4: have said she was that the couple told her they

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01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 4: only had one other child, and she is now seeking

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01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 4: to fight custody at her biological child through a GoFundMe

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01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,520
Speaker 4: because yeah, all of these children, it's sort of what's happening.

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 4: And another woman who came out, she was a beautician

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01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 4: and she was approached via Facebook and it ended up

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01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 4: being the mom and mom at this time, So she

1341
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 4: reached out on Facebook and claimed that she and her

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01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 4: husband were childless and they were seeking a surrogate. And

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01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 4: then this woman was offered fifty five thousand dollars and

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01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 4: rent free housing during the pregnancy so the surrogate a

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01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 4: lot of money. That's a lot of money and that

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Speaker 4: and housing. That's right, she did.

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Speaker 2: Two of them still pregnant. There's like two sarrogates that

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01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 2: are correct currently now as people make it currently. I

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01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 2: mean they must because that's two times twenty one.

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Speaker 4: That's over a million dollars if we're talking. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: that's why I'm saying, I don't understand. Doesn't seem like

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01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 4: they're getting a financial gain. It just seems like they're

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01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 4: getting many There's something children, there's something going on.

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Speaker 2: With and one of them was apparently abused by the nanny,

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01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: so like something is happening in the age of care.

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Speaker 2: So they're not fully being cared for, just based on

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01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 2: the fact that the story was tipped off because of

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Speaker 2: an incident with a nanny.

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Speaker 4: That's right, and there was and what particularly tipped them

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 4: off was when the child was brought in. This baby

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01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 4: was having seizures and it was two days after the

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 4: event that happened, and that is what raised the red flags.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know, Like California, there are no laws

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Speaker 4: limiting how many children you can have through surrogacy. Probably

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 4: this is one of those thought of things right right now.

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01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I just read.

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Speaker 5: I just read one of the surrogates that's pregnant right now.

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Speaker 5: She said that the mom contacted her last month about

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 5: arranging a legal document called a pre birth order that

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01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 5: would allow her to take the child home from the

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01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 5: hospital when it's born later this year. So they had

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Speaker 5: this arrangement that the surrogate was going to give birth

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 5: to the hospital and the mom who's been accused now

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01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 5: was going to take her home from the hospital. Another

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01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 5: the other one, her name, it's been released. Alexa Fassold

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 5: said she is unsure what will happen to her child

1377
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 5: that she's caring, and she's evaluating legal options, including whether

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01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 5: she and her husband can serve as its foster parents.

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Speaker 5: Could you imagine you give birth right and then after

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01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 5: your own child. I can't imagine that the legal system

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 5: will turn this child over to this mother who has

1382
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 5: twenty one other children, and now is, you know, facing

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 5: these charges. I can't imagine. But stranger things have happened.

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 5: Stranger things have happened.

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01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: Stranger things have happened. That's really crazy. I've never heard

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01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 3: anything of anything like this.

1387
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 10: Now.

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 5: I have heard of people hoarding animals and you know

1389
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 5: things and those kinds of things. But it does kind

1390
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 5: of have that vibe, right, that's what I'm Yeah, but

1391
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 5: with people, I've never heard of that before.

1392
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 3: Have you heard of this before?

1393
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 5: Let us know, give us a call eighty eight thirty

1394
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 5: one crime or leave us a stalk back. I really

1395
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 5: want to know if people have heard of these like

1396
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:43,799
Speaker 5: hoarding people.

1397
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.

1398
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: What it is, yeah, or is there just this feeling

1399
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: as a couple or maybe as a man the dad

1400
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: air quotes that is in wanting to create you know,

1401
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 2: his legacy maybe in many many ways, right.

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 3: See that, And probably it's a religious thing.

1403
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like a Nick Cannon thing. You know, I'm

1404
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 2: not saying that disparagingly, but like there are celebrities that

1405
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 2: have a lot of children and it's because they want

1406
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: to create their you know air quotes tribe.

1407
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, this situation that we just describe is not funny.

1408
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 4: But what is is the Nick Cannon If you guys

1409
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 4: remember it was about a year ago and they were

1410
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 4: saying like, oh, the population twenty years from now, and

1411
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 4: it was every iteration of Nick Cannon.

1412
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 3: As a man a woman. Because it is it's like

1413
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 3: a compulsion. I don't even know.

1414
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 2: It must be, do you guys watch Selling Sunset? Yes,

1415
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 2: for sure. And then Nick Cannon's, uh, you know one

1416
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 2: of his the mother, I like, I enjoy her. I

1417
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,879
Speaker 2: don't know her, but I think she seems so wonderful

1418
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: on the show. But yeah, it's like a real thing

1419
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: like they are. It seems to be on board.

1420
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,879
Speaker 5: It seems was this like an investment thing because the company,

1421
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 5: the company that they operate, this couple, they operated a

1422
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 5: business called Mark Surrogacy Investment LLC.

1423
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 3: Right, I wonder like, why what investment? What is that?

1424
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 5: Maybe like Mark business call your thing Mark Mark surrogacy,

1425
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 5: But why are they running a company for surrogacy when

1426
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 5: they're paying? Like, I don't understand they're not the ones

1427
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 5: making that. Are they selling these children? Is what I'm

1428
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 5: trying to say.

1429
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 2: Are they trafficking those children? Is what I want to say. Right,

1430
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 2: I mean, Elaine Maxwell behind all of them.

1431
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 3: But yeah, that well that was But then with them

1432
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 3: all living there.

1433
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 5: I maybe negotiations are being made, like you know, these

1434
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 5: are only these are small children. You know, they're they're

1435
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 5: three years old. Most wants to discuss, so they're you

1436
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 5: know this is crazy. This is this is insane, and

1437
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 5: I'm and I sound kind of like dumb, but I'm

1438
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 5: kind of in.

1439
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 3: Disbelief a little. Well that I mean, that makes that

1440
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 3: makes the most sense.

1441
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 4: I thought perhaps they had this LLC to make, then

1442
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 4: they would have control of the paper work and make

1443
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 4: the transaction team.

1444
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:02,799
Speaker 3: When you're watching out.

1445
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 5: Of investment, it's like you're investing in something, right when

1446
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 5: when you mean your ac companying body move and investments.

1447
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 5: When you talk to me, you think I'm gonna be

1448
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 5: making investments for you and making you money, I'm not

1449
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 5: going to you know, be doing.

1450
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean fair.

1451
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 4: Or they are, as Stephanie said, investing in their future.

1452
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 4: And perhaps the couple wanted a tribe, or they had

1453
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 4: wicked and nefarious ideas and trafficking was one of them.

1454
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 2: I immediately, I'm looking up right now.

1455
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 5: The surgacy commit community and childwearful advocates have raised alarms

1456
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 5: over the lack of oversight in the surrogacy you know

1457
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 5: situation in general, right, and they're they're saying that this

1458
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 5: case highlights the potential exploitation of both surrogates and the

1459
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 5: children in commercial arrangements. And yeah, I mean you hear

1460
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 5: about it all the time. Like the one of the

1461
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 5: reasons I never went through with it was, you know,

1462
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 5: because I wanted to have kids. I thought I really

1463
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 5: wanted to kid's name. I'm fifty. You can still adopt

1464
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 5: what they don't really adopt people like me. But I'm

1465
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 5: just saying, like I looked into surrogacy and I got

1466
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 5: sketched out because everybody's so sketchy, right, and then you have,

1467
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 5: you know, stories like these that just make it even worse.

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01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 3: You're like, oh my god.

1469
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 4: I mean this, I really hope is a singular case.

1470
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 4: But I'm sorry I didn't know, and that sketchy was

1471
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 4: the word you used. Experience. I know you'd be a

1472
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 4: great mom.

1473
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 2: I would look at my blue wheel.

1474
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 3: So that you love.

1475
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: Come on, I think we can still listen.

1476
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 4: No, I don't know, travel animals, that's a pretty There's

1477
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 4: a lot of ways to live a life.

1478
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 2: That's right, that's fair, that's yeah, and I'm okay, I

1479
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 2: promise no question about that. Body is living her very

1480
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 2: best life and we just want to be a part

1481
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 2: of it.

1482
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 5: I was just saying, like, it's a sketchy thing, right,

1483
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 5: Like you know, you you hear sometimes we're sort of

1484
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 5: get you know, they wanted they end up giving birth

1485
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 5: and then they keep the baby.

1486
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know.

1487
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 5: You've invested your heart and soul and understandably they want

1488
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 5: to keep the baby.

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01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 3: They just gave birth to this. You know, it's like right,

1490
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 3: I would too, No Shade, they just can't take that chance.

1491
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 4: So yeah, as updates come and we do find what

1492
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 4: the rationale behind.

1493
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 3: This situation is, we'll definitely share with you. We'll be

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01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 3: following and listen.

1495
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,840
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Speaker 10: Can I tain? This is Leah from Australia. I just

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Speaker 10: wanted to say thank you for the podcast and for

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Speaker 10: your coverage of the coburger at her case.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to.

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Speaker 10: Ask if either of you have been following the New

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Speaker 10: Orleans Unsolved podcast and what Anna Christie has been doing

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Speaker 10: with respect to some of the missing boys in New Orleans.

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Speaker 10: I think she's done an incredible job and I'd love

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Speaker 10: to hear her on the show. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I don't know about her. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: have her on.

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Speaker 5: Yes, if she's doing good things in New Orleans, I'm

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Speaker 5: sure Morgan too, right, yeah, So maybe we can write

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Speaker 5: her name down and look into her and see if

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Speaker 5: we can get her on.

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Speaker 7: Right ta, I am already on it.

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Speaker 2: I see this. By the way, that Australian accent, I'm

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Speaker 2: not It is so just music to my heart. It

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Speaker 2: feels so good. And ya to Australia.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite accent?

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Speaker 2: I might be a Brillian, I will Australian and British

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Speaker 2: kind of scratched the same itch for me.

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Speaker 3: Irish, yeah, oh, I love an Irish.

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Speaker 9: Oh.

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Speaker 3: Courtney, and it's a real up and down. That's a

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Speaker 3: that can be that can be hard to understand. Depending

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Speaker 3: that's a little hard one.

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Speaker 7: I was just an Ireland and I could not understand

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Speaker 7: a single thing that anybody was saying.

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Speaker 2: Why wait, as I'm half Irish and Courtney Armstrong obviously taking.

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Speaker 7: The like they're so heavy and it's hard to like

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Speaker 7: to follow some.

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Speaker 2: Of the how hard could it be? Really like, give

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Speaker 2: me an example one hard.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to do it.

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Speaker 2: But that was like, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 3: But that was that was basically it.

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Speaker 7: Some of them have a heavier version.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I did my ancestry DNA, you know, like my mom

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Speaker 5: got me one for Christmas and I did it. I

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Speaker 5: turned it in and I was like sixty five percent

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Speaker 5: Irish and like thirty percent Scottish. I was like, oh

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Speaker 5: and like five percent English, and I was like, oh

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Speaker 5: my god, I'm really like from that area.

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Speaker 3: Wait, you know, like I really a lot of Irish. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: sixty five.

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Speaker 4: Well, because I had one of those and my husband,

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Speaker 4: like a normal person, he had a little bit of

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Speaker 4: Scotland and his mother, you know, a bunch of different places,

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Speaker 4: and I had like one dot in Cork.

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Speaker 3: That's what are you guys?

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Speaker 2: Sisters?

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Speaker 3: Pork County Island.

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Speaker 5: That's my so growing up we knew we were Alish,

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Speaker 5: you know, obviously and it was Cork County.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, county court, right, Cork.

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Speaker 5: I had my grandma had a magnet, a magnet and

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Speaker 5: that was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cork County.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that?

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Speaker 3: It's weird?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, road tripping to Ireland because Irish, I don't listen.

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Speaker 5: You know, crime com organizers, please do a crime con

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Speaker 5: UK in maybe Northern Ireland because that is the UK,

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Speaker 5: right technically, and we'll come.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys related? That's a really small place to

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Speaker 2: have so much there?

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Speaker 7: Interesting?

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Speaker 3: I really I really did enjoy doing that. Though it

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Speaker 3: was fun to do the answer I liked.

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Speaker 2: It, I don't love it because I feel like you're

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Speaker 2: going to get cloned. I'll leave everybody. Other body listen

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Speaker 2: one boo boo. You seen them all. You're one in

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Speaker 2: a million, so listen. Thank you everybody for joining tonight.

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Speaker 2: We want to hear from you. Talk back tuesdays tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: so leave us a message and listen. We are talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. This has been true crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Stay safe out there, we'll see you tomorrow.