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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The landfill search for a

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Speaker 1: husband's friend dumps a gun. Did he actually hide the

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Speaker 1: murtyr weapon? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: Monday afternoon, Brad Simpson gets a call because his wife,

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Speaker 2: Suzanne is now almost thirty minutes late picking up their kindergartener.

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Speaker 3: She was very.

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Speaker 1: Involved in her children's lives. Not one time has she

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Speaker 2: No one has heard from Suzanne and isn't answering her phone.

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Speaker 4: What makes it most concerning is that it's not characteristic

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Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Suzanne. I've been in real estate for thirteen years.

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Speaker 5: This listing that is now pending has been a great

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Speaker 5: transaction because I was personally friends with the buyers and Besellis.

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Speaker 6: We are devastated by the loss of my sister. I

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Speaker 6: am here to be a voice for my sister, and

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Speaker 6: the search will continue and we will not stop until

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Speaker 1: First, you were seeing Suzanne herself doing an ad lib

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Speaker 1: for a property she had just sold. Then you saw

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Speaker 1: her sister from our friends at KABB Fox San Antonio. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So much is happening right now, and the search for

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Speaker 1: this mom, a missing mom, a luxury realtor as she

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Speaker 1: has been called, is missing. How did it go down? This?

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Speaker 1: As we learn in the last days, a massive landfill

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Speaker 1: a shot of Suzanne Clark Simpson, because this is very

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Speaker 1: difficult for me to grasp and I have overseen many

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Speaker 1: landfill search that this beautiful mom, living, breathing, full of vitality,

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Speaker 1: full of love for her children. You could see that

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Speaker 1: just beaming out of her in that short little clip

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Speaker 1: we played for you. She's in front of a sould sign.

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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to reconcile that this woman could

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Speaker 1: full of rotting food, stinky smells, old furniture, refuse used

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Speaker 1: in diapers, her this gorgeous mom. That's what we know

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Speaker 1: right now. The landfill search has been called off. Cadets.

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Speaker 1: I believe fifty of them were in has Matt out there.

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Speaker 1: It's conducting a landfill search, and that is not easy,

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Speaker 1: especially in Texas temperatures. Complete Hasmat outfits. That search after

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Speaker 1: multiple days ended. Again, thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: as we continue to help in the search for Suzanne

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Speaker 1: and are right off the top. I want to give

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Speaker 1: Law Enforcement needs our help. That number two one zero

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Speaker 1: is the direct line to Detective Hector Ruis. Please help

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Speaker 1: us find this mom. As we go to air tonight,

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Speaker 1: we're learning a lot with me and all start paneling

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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now. But

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Speaker 1: first straight out to Zachary Taylor, right trending digital reporter,

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Speaker 1: My essay my San Antonio dot com. Zach, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being with us. Zach, what can you

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Speaker 1: tell me? I'm gonna move to the new search. They're

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Speaker 1: away from the landfill aka dump The thought of this

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Speaker 1: the right word for it. It's very disturbing, to say

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Speaker 1: the least. The search has moved to another area. But

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you about this. What about Hobby

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Speaker 1: the husband friend now suspect in getting rid of a weapon?

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Speaker 4: What absolutely so new charges we're filed this week? James

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Speaker 4: Cotter was arrested for, according to Restawore, an affidavit that

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Speaker 4: we received, agreeing to attempt to hide a weapon on

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Speaker 4: Brad Simson's behalf. Brad Simson himself is also facing to

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Speaker 4: additional charges related to this attempt, one for a tamper

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Speaker 1: Okay, Zach, slow down. Okay, Now, see if I were

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Speaker 1: through this with you. No compound sentences. You're a journalist,

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Speaker 1: you know what that means. So let's take each fact

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Speaker 1: one at a time. Because guess who's on with me today,

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Speaker 1: Zach retailor right, Jeff Horny, longtime friend of not only

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Speaker 1: Susanne but also Brad. Right now we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: different friend of the husband. Only now slow it down.

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Speaker 1: Tell me again. I want the jury to hear exactly

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. Okay, go what so?

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Speaker 4: James Conner, a friend of Brad Simpson and former business

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Speaker 4: partner in several different endeavors, has been arrested on a

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Speaker 1: It is okay, right there, When you say friend, you

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Speaker 4: They wear business partners in caller's father's company, and then

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Speaker 1: Together, so they go way back business wise. Okay, he

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Speaker 4: What tampering with evidence he allegedly.

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Speaker 1: With evidence he allegedly tried to hide.

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Speaker 4: Or what he had allegedly attempted to hide a weapon

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Speaker 4: on behalf of Brad Simpson un arrest for an affidavit

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Speaker 4: shows that communications between the two, with Brad frantically asking

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, okay, with me an all star panel. Hold on, Zach,

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Speaker 1: don't move. Zach Taylor Wright joining us from my San

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Speaker 1: Antonio dot com. Brian Fitzgibbons is with US. Don't move,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Horny, I'm coming straight to you. Brian Fitzgibbons is

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Speaker 1: with US Director Operations USP, a nationwide security who leads

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Speaker 1: a team of investigator specializing in locating missing people. Brian,

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Speaker 1: you heard what Zach just said. Let's analyze it right

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Speaker 1: there before you go one step further. They find the

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Speaker 1: friend Cotter. Okay, they find the friend obviously because they

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Speaker 1: have subpoenaed LA law enforcement has subpoened the husband's digital

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Speaker 1: name it. That means all the texts and all the

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Speaker 1: emails now, Zach, Yes. Note, did I hear you say

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Speaker 1: that the husband had frantically contacted friend Cotter to help

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Speaker 4: He noted how little time he had and peted his

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Speaker 1: And I believe he said words to the effect of,

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Speaker 1: I don't have much time. Correct, Okay, okay, Brian Fitzgibbons, amateurs,

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Speaker 1: do I have to use the legal phrase idiot? He

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Speaker 1: put it in a text. Can you help me get

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Speaker 8: Lar enforceman was all over that, Nancy, just like you said,

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Speaker 8: they'd have those digital records, and by October tenth they

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Speaker 8: were already at his friend James val Catter's residence looking

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Speaker 8: at his phone. It would be later determined that the

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Speaker 8: weapon was hidden. But law enforcement has been right on

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Speaker 8: top of this lead right from the get go.

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Speaker 1: From the get go, Brian Fitzgibbons to Ben Powers joining

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Speaker 1: me high profile criminal defense attorney and you can find

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Speaker 1: with us. You know what that tells me. If you're

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Speaker 1: because James val Carter is not going to sit lonely

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Speaker 1: in his cell and not tell where and if he

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Speaker 1: find prints on it unless they thought to wipe them off,

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Speaker 1: and that weapon is going to belong to the husband.

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Speaker 1: Just a wild guest. What about powers?

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Speaker 3: So I think it's important to remember that there's two

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Speaker 3: separate investigations going on at the same time. There's the

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Speaker 3: investigation into Suzanne's disappearance, but there's also a separate ATF

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Speaker 3: investigation into illegal firearms possessed by mister Simpson. And so

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Speaker 3: the tampering with evidence could go to the firearms investigation,

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Speaker 3: because right now there's no connection to the missing of

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Speaker 1: Don't make me forty sharing a murder investigation. The Fed's

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Speaker 1: investigation into the husband regarding the short barrel weapon they

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Speaker 1: He's looking at what did I say, Jackie ten to

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Speaker 1: fifteen behind bars and a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Fine,

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Speaker 1: they've already got that gun. This is a different gun.

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Speaker 1: He didn't ask his friend Cotter to hide that gun.

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Speaker 1: He asked his friend Cotter to hide another gun. Crime

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Speaker 1: guest to whom my earlier alluded, Jeff Horny, longtime friend

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Speaker 1: of both Suzanne and Brad Brad Simpson. Suzanne Clark Simpson.

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Speaker 1: Mister Horny, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I know this is very disturbing to you because you're

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Speaker 1: friends with both Suzanne and the husband Brad Simpson. When

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Speaker 9: From a friend? And they just called me out of

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Speaker 9: the blue and said, can you believe that Suzanne's missing?

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Speaker 9: And I and I kind of freaked out and said

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Speaker 9: what what? What? What? I just talked to her just

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Speaker 9: you know, So that's how I learned, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: And what was your immediate thought upon learning she was missing? Oh?

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Speaker 9: My immediate thought is where's her pig husband? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: See that was my immediate thought, where is her pig husband?

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Speaker 9: I went to his Facebook page and I said, where

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Speaker 9: But I couldn't believe that nobody else was wondering where

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Speaker 1: And at that time, do we now know where was

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Speaker 1: he hiding his gun?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? He was doing something fishy. He had a few

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Speaker 9: hours to do whatever he did or didn't do. You know, Okay, I've.

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Speaker 1: Got a question. Could you backtrack from me, mister horney.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear how she ended up with him.

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Speaker 1: It's like a fairy marrying a donkey. How did this happen?

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Speaker 9: Again? The the I know the Clarks and the Simpsons,

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Speaker 9: and they're both great families. I grew up with Suzanne

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Speaker 9: there was a lot of really good folks affected in

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Speaker 9: this terrible tragedy. And we want answers.

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Speaker 1: So these two have known each other for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: So how did it end up that he convinced her

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Speaker 9: You know, that's a good question. We all thought that

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Speaker 9: he was a man of outstanding character and and it's

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Speaker 9: amazing the things you find out. Huh.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about what you said, Jeff? So

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Speaker 1: many things. But let me go to Courtney Laski joining

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Speaker 1: me what sort of I behavior analyst at True North

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Speaker 1: Behavioral Consulting. Courtney, in addition to being a felony prosecutor

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Speaker 1: for over a decade, I worked at night volunteering at

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Speaker 1: the Batter Women's Center hotline. You know what's amazing, Courtney,

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Speaker 1: is how charming an abuser can be. If you knew

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were so charming, affable, friendly, charismatic, but

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Speaker 10: With the personalities of domestic violence, the abusers are often charismatic,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Warney joined me, longtime friend of both Suzanne and Simpsons. Jeff,

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Speaker 9: Yes? Yes again he you know, the the area in

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Speaker 1: And Brad were invited to a party there. The Argyle

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Speaker 9: We would love for her to be alive.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, there's nothing concrete that says she's not alive. And again,

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Speaker 1: That from our friends wo Ia News for to Jeff Horny,

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Speaker 9: Absolutely not. Every time, every time we talked, the baby

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Speaker 1: And just think about it. Just think about it, Jeff,

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Speaker 9: And he becomes that was there life. Sorry to interrupt you,

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Speaker 9: And and that's that's the one that hurts the worst.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because at the very beginning, and I've seen this, Jeff,

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Speaker 9: Again, they're having another fight. Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: So this is what we know right now. The search

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Speaker 1: Jeff Horny just told us to Ben Powers, high profile

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Speaker 1: And did you just hear what Jeff said, how close

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Speaker 3: Well, So, with the nature of the investigation leading to

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Speaker 9: That night, and.

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Speaker 3: It'll draw a radius of where he went from the

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Speaker 3: If mister Simpson has any culpability in Miss Simpson's disappearance.

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Speaker 1: Well you know what beenpowers. Now I see why you

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Speaker 1: actually we don't. Haven't piece gibbons because I think they

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I'll tell you, Nancy, there's an important point

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is simply not true.

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Speaker 8: This is in the arrest affidavit that they found the

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Speaker 1: All of it.

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Speaker 11: Almost Park PD are desperately searching for a missing mom

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Speaker 1: She was last saying on surveillance outside that Ritzy Argyle club.

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Speaker 11: A neighbor here is allowed arguing from their home.

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Speaker 9: And then there was silence, and that's when you hear

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Speaker 5: Almost Park Police resume their search for Suzanne Simpson in

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Speaker 1: Make no mistake about it. This is a huge blow,

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, and this goes back to that characteristic we talked

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Speaker 10: But we know with this behavior that it escalates over

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Speaker 1: We don't know, but we.

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Speaker 4: Currently, law enforcement is searching in wooded areas close to

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Speaker 4: the families Almost Park home, which is on the north

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Speaker 4: side of San Antonio.

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Speaker 1: Now, Zach, isn't it true that that is where the

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Speaker 1: neighbor heard scream?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely The neighbor reported going out to find the couple

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Speaker 4: and hearing the scream just outside their Almost Park home.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely right. This occurred after the couple came

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Speaker 1: home from that ritzy country club dinner club aka drinking

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Speaker 1: club the Argyle Listen.

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Speaker 11: An hour after Brad and Suzanne Simpson return home from

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Speaker 11: dinner at the Argyle, a neighbor hears loud arguing from

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Speaker 11: their home. The yelling seems to get louder, and the

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Speaker 11: neighbor peeks out of their windows, shocked to see the

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Speaker 11: Simpsons in a physical fight outside their home. It looks

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Speaker 11: like Suzanne, still dressed from dinner, is trying to get away,

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Speaker 11: but Brad Simpson keeps pulling her back. The couple eventually

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Speaker 11: moves out of the neighbor's side line.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Horny joining me along with that tail or. Right, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: longtime friend of both Suzanne and the husband Rad Simpson. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen the home in which they're currently living.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, tell me about the home, and I

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Speaker 1: want to also hear about the forest, the heavily wooded

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Speaker 1: area surrounding the home.

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Speaker 9: Well, again, the home is in the on the main street.

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Speaker 9: It's on Almas Drive, the main street of this of

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Speaker 9: this area, and behind their house, as you can see,

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Speaker 9: there's some wooded area. But also I guess it would

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Speaker 9: be north of their house is a highway two eighty

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Speaker 9: one and underneath that, right, I'm talking almost directly where

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Speaker 9: they live, is a it's a dam. It's a it's

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Speaker 9: a it's called the Almus Dam, and there are it's

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Speaker 9: a creek bed and if water was running through there,

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Speaker 9: there's no way that they anything would stick around, I

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Speaker 9: don't think. But there's it's they have to come a

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Speaker 9: lot of area. I don't know the exact acreage of

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Speaker 9: the Alma's basin, but it's a it's a large it's

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Speaker 9: a large area, and there's a lot of woods, and

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Speaker 9: you know, some homeless folks live out in the woods,

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Speaker 9: and you know, they even found a firearm out there

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Speaker 9: from somebody else. So I guess if you were to

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Speaker 9: hide a body somewhere, that would be a good place.

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Speaker 1: You know, they've got to bring out the cadaver dogs,

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Speaker 1: and it's very very difficult to bring dogs into that terrain,

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Speaker 1: very heavily wooded area. We're talking about a thirty two

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Speaker 1: square mile area. Seemingly impossible. Brian Fitzgibbons, We've heard from

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Speaker 1: Jeff Horny about the exterior and the forest terrain outside

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Speaker 1: the home, as well as a dam. But Brian Fitzgibbons,

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Speaker 1: you pointed out something very very interesting to me about

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Speaker 1: the location of that ak. Tell me that.

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Speaker 8: Nancy so Brad Simpson texted his friend and business associate,

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Speaker 8: James Val Catter, apparently to move a firearm.

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Speaker 9: Now police were in.

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Speaker 8: Catter's residence speaking to him as early as October tenth.

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Speaker 8: At that time, Carter told police that he moved a

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Speaker 8: twenty two caliber rifle for his friend Brad Simpson. This

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Speaker 8: has turned out in the arrest affidavit to appear to

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Speaker 8: be a lie.

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Speaker 1: Police, with the.

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Speaker 8: Assistance of a canine specifically trained to detect firearms, alerted

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Speaker 8: on a wall that had a TV mounted to it

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Speaker 8: in Carter's residence. Police removed a portrait of that wall

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Speaker 8: and found an AK forty seven that had belonged to

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Speaker 8: Brad Simpson stuffed and hidden behind that wall.

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Speaker 12: Mom of fours, Suzanne Simpson is a no show, failing

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Speaker 12: to pick up her children from school. Her husband reports

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Speaker 12: her missing. Where is Suzanne? Stephen Gilmour posttholes in the

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Speaker 12: Simpsons neighbors statement to police. Gilmore asserts that a person

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Speaker 12: invested enough to leave their home with a flashlight to

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Speaker 12: search for a fighting couple would have called police after

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Speaker 12: hearing screams. Gilmore also points out that Suzanne's phone last

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Speaker 12: pinged a half mile from her home at seven to

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Speaker 12: fifteen am Monday morning, not lining up with the neighbour's timeline,

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Speaker 12: which suggests Brad Simpson discarded his wife's body and belongings

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Speaker 12: late Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: I agree and disagree with the defense attorney's attack. All

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Speaker 1: the state's eyewitness or ear witnesses are going to be

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Speaker 1: attacked on cross examination. That is a given. So that

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Speaker 1: witness straight out to you, Ben Powers, is going to

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Speaker 1: be attacked. And the defense attorney's got a little something

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Speaker 1: to work with if he went out and looking with

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Speaker 1: a flashlight. Why didn't he call police? Well, I don't

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Speaker 1: know why he didn't call police, but that does not

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Speaker 1: mean he didn't see or hear what he saw and heard.

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Speaker 3: Well, so it might mean that he didn't see what

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Speaker 3: he claims he saw and heard. You know, there's obstructions

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Speaker 3: in the photos that have been shown to the home,

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Speaker 3: as far as there's a fence line, there's trees in

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Speaker 3: front of the house, other factors like it was late

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Speaker 3: at night, so the lighting might have been bad. And

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Speaker 3: then there's the glaring issue of the neighbor never reported anything.

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Speaker 3: You know, the first person to report that Susanne Simpson

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Speaker 3: was missing was Brad And it's actually Brad's report that

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Speaker 3: brought the police to the neighbor town.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why because

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Speaker 1: the witness was very clear that he could see them

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Speaker 1: and then arguing in the driveway and then they walked

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Speaker 1: out of his sight line behind some trees. That is

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Speaker 1: rich in details, seems believable. Also, I'm pretty sure the

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Speaker 1: police had gone to his vantage point to determine whether

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Speaker 1: he could see what he says he saw. And also

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Speaker 1: Jeff Horny, a long time friend of Susan and Anne

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Speaker 1: Brad Simpson's. She left that posh club. She was walking off.

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Speaker 1: Let's see that photo alone in her nice outfit. She

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Speaker 1: was stomping out of there for a reason. Okay. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't like her husband was escorting her politely to the car.

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Speaker 1: There she goes, she's there with him and she's leaving alone,

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Speaker 1: all right. That tells me they were having an argument.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, don't forget that she had. She evidently somewhere in

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Speaker 9: between here and the house, she called her mother, and

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Speaker 9: her mother said that she was saying that Brad had

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Speaker 9: struck her in the stomach, and I guess had hit

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Speaker 9: her a couple of times and she was hurting. So

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Speaker 9: you know, her mother was the last one to talk

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Speaker 9: to her, I assume in between that time. So you know,

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Speaker 9: so we know that that he there was more going

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Speaker 9: on than just a little pushing and shoving, you know,

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Speaker 9: not that and that even that's not right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that leads up to what the neighbor says

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Speaker 1: he observed in the in the driveway. Okay, And we

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Speaker 1: know the single most dangerous time for a woman is

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Speaker 1: a when she's pregnant, which homicide the number one cause

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00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: of death for pregnant women not blood pressure or heart attack, homicide.

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Speaker 1: And two when she's trying to leave an abusive situation.

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Speaker 1: Then on top of it all, if my husband was missing,

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Speaker 1: I would be lying on the courthouse steps screaming, find

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Speaker 1: my husband, help me. But what is he doing? He's

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Speaker 1: the one cooperative. Listen.

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Speaker 11: Both Suzanne and Brad Simpson's families have condemned his behavior publicly.

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Speaker 11: Brother Barton Simpson took to Facebook with a strongly warded

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Speaker 11: post quote, until Brad chooses to operate, we will continue

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Speaker 11: to cooperate for him as we have from the very

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Speaker 11: beginning of this heartbreaking ordeal. This is not how he

566
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Speaker 11: was raised, and this is not who we are. Brad's

567
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Speaker 11: refusal to cooperate is unacceptable. Simpson's brother went on to

568
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Speaker 11: say their family is shattered and we'll stop at nothing

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Speaker 11: to bring Suzanne home.

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Speaker 13: Suzanne and I had an opportunity to talk for an

571
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Speaker 13: hour before a lot of this has happened. My speculation

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Speaker 13: is maybe the whole thing is alcohol related, because when

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Speaker 13: she got back, she called me up and told me

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Speaker 13: the things that Brad had done to her physically. Well,

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Speaker 13: I came up with an alternative plan for her, the

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Speaker 13: hope that she'd move in with me and have her

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Speaker 13: little coddler go to the elementary school in my neighborhood.

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Speaker 13: I never got to tell her the plan.

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Speaker 1: That is from Suzanne's mother and from our friends at

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Speaker 1: WAI News for Jeff Horny, longtime friend of Suzanne, and

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Speaker 1: Brad Simpson's that's what you were telling us, that the

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Speaker 1: mom learned he had punched Suzanne and the stomach and more.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Jeff, I learned this not only from

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Speaker 1: the batter Women's Center there in Atlanta, but from all

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Speaker 1: the years of prosecuting. It's not a statistic, it's anecdotal

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Speaker 1: for me that when a woman has in place a plan,

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Speaker 1: and the mom had a plan to move in with her,

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Speaker 1: and they were going to put the little girl, the

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Speaker 1: five year old, into the local school right down the

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Speaker 1: street from the grandma, but they didn't have time to

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Speaker 1: implement the plan.

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Speaker 9: We're talking about it. You know, if missus Clark had

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Speaker 9: a little more time, maybe she could have gone and

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Speaker 9: picked him up. Or it's just tragic.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 9: I can't even imagine, you know, Suzanne was a little

597
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Speaker 9: tiny thing. I can't imagine these two guys, you know,

598
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Speaker 9: throwing her body around and all these different different trash cans,

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00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 9: and it's terrible. She didn't deserve that at all.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Horny, my thoughts exactly. And as Zach Tailorwright was

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Speaker 1: telling us earlier, Jeff the husband said, quote, I don't

602
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Speaker 1: have much time. His business partner hid an AK forty

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Speaker 1: seven for him before this whole thing cracked wide open.

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Speaker 1: The thought of an AK forty seven in the same

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Speaker 1: sentence with Suzanne is just it. It's beyond words. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 9: A question for you. How why can't the Why can't

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Speaker 9: they go to Brad and say, look, you, your gig

609
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Speaker 9: is up. Tell us where she I don't understand why

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Speaker 9: they can't go to him and and and and get

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Speaker 9: him to tell her where, tell us where she is.

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Speaker 1: He's done. I'll tell you that. I'll tell you because

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Speaker 1: once he admits he knows where is her body, that

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Speaker 1: means he put her there, That means he killed her.

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Speaker 1: And right now, cops don't have a body, and many

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Speaker 1: people believe no body, no case. He's actually sitting in

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Speaker 1: a cell right now thinking he's going to beat this

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Speaker 1: thing if he and his buddy can keep there. Yet shut.

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Speaker 1: He may just be right, that's why. And just like

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Speaker 1: in his last sentence, I don't have much time. It's

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Speaker 1: all about me, Me, me, me, help me. Forget about Susanne,

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Speaker 1: Forget about her decomposing body. Forget about the little five

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Speaker 1: year old girl wanting mommy, seeing mommy beaten up with

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Speaker 1: bruises and taking her cell phone away. That's her last

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Speaker 1: memory of mommy. And he is sitting in a cell

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Speaker 1: right now, gnashing his teeth and switching his tail, wondering

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Speaker 1: how can I beat this rap? That's why. If you

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Speaker 1: know or think you know anything about the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: Susanne Clark Simpson, we beg you to call Detective Hector

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Speaker 1: Ruiz to one zero to zero, nine to seven zero one,

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Speaker 1: repeat to one zero two zero nine two seven zero one,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace ending off, goodbye friend,