WEBVTT - Jeff Ross

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Leftseetts Podcast. My

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<v Speaker 1>guest today is the one and only Roastmaster General Jeff Ross,

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<v Speaker 1>who has the best comedy special of the year, whi's

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<v Speaker 1>on Netflix called Take a Banana for the Ride. Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>how's your health?

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<v Speaker 2>Ooof Well, every time you say I have the best

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<v Speaker 2>special of the year, my health improves.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it is. I mean, I tell everybody to watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Jeff has got a rep as a roaster,

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<v Speaker 1>so you think he's going to be an intense negative guy,

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<v Speaker 1>or you think that's what the special is. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to ruin the special, but it's basically the story

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<v Speaker 1>of your life. It's like if Spaulding Gray was a comedian.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, but it's all true. You mentioned I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to ask you about your health anyway, what

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<v Speaker 1>you go deeply into in the special. But just before

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<v Speaker 1>we begin, you mentioned having a colonoscopy.

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<v Speaker 2>How often do you have to have with them? Once

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<v Speaker 2>a year? The there's a big colonoscopy story in the special,

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<v Speaker 2>and now this is a year later in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the specials on Netflix, and now I have to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to my real life and I came in

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<v Speaker 2>fast at all day last couple of days, had my GotoP?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you use the pills of the liquid? Both gott

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<v Speaker 1>to you both.

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<v Speaker 2>My doctor is very uh very uh uh thorough. I

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<v Speaker 2>did the sence.

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<v Speaker 1>We're this deep and we're of this age, Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>My colon is as smooth as your scalp. But where

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<v Speaker 2>is your doctor here? We're in La downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, because you know the way these people make money

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<v Speaker 1>is they have centers. I go to a guy in

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<v Speaker 1>West La. Yeah, and he and his firm own the

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<v Speaker 1>place right and they keep going there. But whatever, keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>No, my doctor is at a usc Kech and I

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<v Speaker 2>go once a year. Now. I had my colonoscopy yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Took out three polyps and I'm going to send them

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<v Speaker 2>to the Broadcasting Hall of Fame. They're going to frame

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<v Speaker 2>them and put them on the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go back. This is in the special butt tell

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<v Speaker 1>us the trigger that finally got you to get a colonoscopy.

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<v Speaker 2>My pal Jordan Rubin is a friend of mine, my

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<v Speaker 2>entire adult life, comedy director, writer, great guy. He'd been

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<v Speaker 2>hawking our text chain for a couple of years saying

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<v Speaker 2>we all need to go get colonoscopies. Jordan is a

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<v Speaker 2>health not a little bit of a hypochondriac, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was always saying, have you gotten your colonoscopy? And I

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<v Speaker 2>would always go, I just blow it off. John Hamm

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<v Speaker 2>takes credit for getting Jordan to get his colonoscopy. Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>found polyps. He was fine, but he realized that if

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<v Speaker 2>he hadn't, those polyps could have become could become something.

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<v Speaker 2>So it all trickled down eventually to me. When the

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brady roast was finally over, I was an ep

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<v Speaker 2>on that I was working very hard and finally I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I'm off for a few weeks. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me take care of myself. Went to the shrink, I

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<v Speaker 2>went to the dentist, and I finally got a colonoscopy, just.

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<v Speaker 1>To stay here. How old are you today right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you have a primary cure doctor in LA

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<v Speaker 1>who said, hey, it's fifty you got to get a colonoscopy.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh hmm, that's a yes or no question. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>no judgment involved there is had that person okay? Because

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<v Speaker 1>we're guys, and a lot of guys don't go to

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor or ignore symptoms. Do you go for regular checkups.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you address your health normally?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? But I hadn't gotten a colonoscopy.

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<v Speaker 1>So but he had been telling you this. We're audio only,

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<v Speaker 1>so I get a little bit of a smirk. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So at fifty nine you get the colon fifty eight

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eight? What exactly makes you call and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>Awareness that that it was an issue for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of men my age, an awareness that I'd never go.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to stop here. You did the special, but amongst

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<v Speaker 1>your buddies everyday life have you? Is it gone from

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<v Speaker 1>John Ham to Jordan to you? And now you're the evangelist.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell everybody because guys don't realize the guys think

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<v Speaker 2>the colonoscopy is painful or embarrassing, that they don't. I

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<v Speaker 2>went yesterday, so I can really speak to this. This

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<v Speaker 2>is my third one. Now it's nothing. The cleanse is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I like cleaning. I like I eat brisket for breakfast, Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the cleanse. I like the cleanse. I like

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<v Speaker 2>knowing it's all coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at that where wait, wait, wait, just a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of points.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like spring cleaning. Where is the best risk it Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Clinton Manor Caterers, Newark, New Jersey, nineteen fifty eight. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>after that, I got I think you probably have to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Katsas Delhi. Okay, you have to go to

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<v Speaker 2>my cousin Rona's house.

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<v Speaker 1>I figured you would say somebody's house. Just to stay

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<v Speaker 1>on the same tip. Since we're so well versed, you're

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned nine fifty eight. Where can you truly get a bagel?

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<v Speaker 1>If you can truly get a bagel, this equivalents the

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<v Speaker 1>ones from nineteen fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I go to Bob's Bagels on University Place in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there a couple of days ago. That was

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<v Speaker 2>my pre cleansed meal was chicken salad on a toasted

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<v Speaker 2>everything bagel from Bagel Bob on University. Okay, very good bagel.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go back. So when you do the colonoscoby at

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eight, you've already crossed the threshold you're doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to be clear, so far I've mentioned usc kech

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<v Speaker 2>and Bagel Bob's. I'm not getting paid for any of these.

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<v Speaker 1>These are tipsy. So did you have any anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>About my first colonoscopy?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was a routine thing that men do,

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<v Speaker 2>that people do. Okay, I had no symptoms. I wasn't scared.

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<v Speaker 2>So in fact, I had a blood test and the

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<v Speaker 2>doctor at the time said, oh, you're gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So, having had a number of these myself, I

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<v Speaker 1>find the just for those people. I don't agree with

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff here the liquid tastes so bad you have to

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<v Speaker 1>keep They now have pills. It's just they don't well,

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<v Speaker 1>your shit doesn't pass till much later. But you go,

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<v Speaker 1>you wait however long they give you. Michael Jackson, probe

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<v Speaker 1>the fall, and then you lie and then at some

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<v Speaker 1>point the doctor comes in. I've had a doctor come

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<v Speaker 1>in like five minutes later or an hour later. And

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<v Speaker 1>since they're doing this one after another, maybe just say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're fine, we found this and that.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your experience my first colonoscopy, I waited too long,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had no symptoms. I felt fine. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just going in because it's something you do, like a

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<v Speaker 2>teeth cleaning, you know, Oh I need to get a colonoscopy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ten years late. Let me go do that my

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<v Speaker 2>whole life. I'll never have cancer. That's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen to me. I'm tough. This never occurred to me

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<v Speaker 2>that I would have an issue. And you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>prepping you get a blood test and that didn't show

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<v Speaker 2>any cancer. So I was just went into it pretty confidently, like,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just do this routine colonoscopy. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>woke up an hour later and the doctor looked at

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<v Speaker 2>me and said, you need to get a surgeon. You

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<v Speaker 2>have a tumor in there. So that was shocking, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was mad that I didn't get one sooner, mad

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<v Speaker 2>at myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you have the anger. How did you cope mentally

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<v Speaker 1>with having it? Finding out you had a tumor.

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<v Speaker 2>I always go into world beater energy fight. I never

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<v Speaker 2>thought I was going to die, even though it was

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<v Speaker 2>a stage street tumor. I never thought I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to die. I knew it was curable. I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>I felt good, and I knew that I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to drop my life and do everything I could to

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<v Speaker 2>get better. And that's what I did. Oh, my sister

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<v Speaker 2>came in. My sister, Robin dropped everything. It was summertime.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a school teacher, so she was off. She came

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<v Speaker 2>in and went to my appointments with me and my manager,

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<v Speaker 2>Amy went to appointment with certain doctors. My friends, my

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<v Speaker 2>friend Tol Wilkinfeld came to meet a surgeon with me,

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<v Speaker 2>My friends, my army, if you will, really gathered around me.

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<v Speaker 2>That helps a lot and a lot of people when

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<v Speaker 2>they find something out, they get quiet. I tell anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>but I told close friends. I didn't tell the public.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't tell my fans. I sculped around the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>trying to be incognito because I didn't know what was happening,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't want a people to know and then

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<v Speaker 2>ask me a million questions everywhere I went. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing less funny than a guy who's sick, like I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would affect my career. I didn't want people

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<v Speaker 2>to think I was sick. But I took a head on.

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<v Speaker 2>I did everything they told me to do. I never

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<v Speaker 2>complained and went in for the fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's in the special. You had part of your

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<v Speaker 1>colon removed. What's the recovery from that?

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<v Speaker 2>The joke in the special is I had a seven

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<v Speaker 2>inches of my coal and removed. Now I have a

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<v Speaker 2>semi colon right, Well, okay, I don't mind telling the

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<v Speaker 2>jokes now. Okay, there's so much in that special that

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<v Speaker 2>we won't say so. And the recovery is I'll say

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<v Speaker 2>this is a gift to anybody going through this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not as bad as you think. It's never as bad

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<v Speaker 2>as you think. It never hurts as much as you

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<v Speaker 2>think it's going to hurt. Sometimes it does, but it's over.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get through it, you really can. And the

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<v Speaker 2>recovery was tough. The chemo was tough, but not as

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<v Speaker 2>tough as it was when we were kids. Like when

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<v Speaker 2>my mom had to go through leukemia. Chemo, it really

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<v Speaker 2>erect her and it does wreck certain people. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many advances. I was talking to my doctor yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>and he was saying, how ten years from now, they

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<v Speaker 2>won't operate on this stuff anymore. They'll be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do it all with chemicals, with chemo. That's how much

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<v Speaker 2>you're advancing, He said. More and more he's shrinking stage

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<v Speaker 2>four tumors. I had a stage three, but more and

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<v Speaker 2>more now, you know. And the guys over at Kech

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<v Speaker 2>are like scientists. It's a research hospital. They are really

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<v Speaker 2>progressive in figuring out these recipes, these chemo recipes, and

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<v Speaker 2>it worked. I responded well enough where he let me

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<v Speaker 2>drop the last session. My numbers, my blood tests were okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was eager to go back to work.

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<v Speaker 1>From the moment you had the surgery to the moment

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<v Speaker 1>you were he dropped the last given therapy session.

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<v Speaker 2>How long a period of time is that? Say that again,

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<v Speaker 2>from the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>From the moment you had the actual cutting the surgery

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<v Speaker 1>till you went to see the doctrine in the doction.

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<v Speaker 1>Your numbers are good, you can go back to work.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do the last chemo.

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<v Speaker 2>It was from July to Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Relatively long, shortened life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, when you're canceling gigs, it's long, but when

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking at life, it's short.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I have cancer. I have the only cancers a

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<v Speaker 1>pill for. Totally change my attitude when I got cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>What have you changed in terms of your outlook or

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<v Speaker 1>anything that's changed since having cancer?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sorry for what you're going through.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as I say, I'm good. I was the first

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<v Speaker 1>person of all my friend group to have it. Then

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<v Speaker 1>everybody got something much worse. To say, I'm the only

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<v Speaker 1>one there's a pill for, but it's actually to be

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<v Speaker 1>leukemia CML.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's LDL.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not LDL, that's cholesterol, but you know, CLL whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>They're working on it. But I guess when I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was fifty six, and suddenly I realized I'm gonna die,

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<v Speaker 1>not today, but before that, just conceptually, I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to live forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's try. You start to look at your mortality, and

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<v Speaker 2>I still live like a kid. My brother in law

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<v Speaker 2>is so mad at me because I haven't written a will.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't figured any of that out, and if anything

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<v Speaker 2>ever happened to me, he'd be stuck trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>all this out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, COVID you couldn't work a certain period of

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<v Speaker 1>time and then you real have you saved enough money

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<v Speaker 1>that you could exist fine?

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<v Speaker 2>In the words of Jackie Mason, the Great Jackie Mason,

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<v Speaker 2>I have enough money to ask me the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>my life, unless, of course, I want to buy something, right, Okay, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>generally speaking, when you have the net, I'll make this

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<v Speaker 2>not about money. I have some money saved, but I

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<v Speaker 2>have the friends and the support system that if I

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<v Speaker 2>was broke, i'd still be Okay. Okay, that's the wealth.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but just hanging in there because everybody manages their

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<v Speaker 1>money differently. Yeah, you get paid for a gig. When

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<v Speaker 1>the money ultimately hits you, let's just sue it's cash

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<v Speaker 1>and enough times going by. You got a certain amount

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<v Speaker 1>of cash sitting in your some account. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>do with it?

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<v Speaker 2>What do I do with it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? There are people who immediately spend it. Basketball starts

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<v Speaker 1>to have five cars. There are other people who say,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately invest it. Some people are good with money. Traditionally,

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<v Speaker 1>the talent is bad with money. But the people, the

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<v Speaker 1>business people good with money. They just don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>talent to make the money.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very conservative. I don't spend a lot of money

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<v Speaker 2>on All I really do is by take my friends

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<v Speaker 2>to dinners and that's kind of it, and charity stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. But I'm not a big spender, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry too much about money. My business manager's Dan

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<v Speaker 2>and Harvey. They know I like to play it close

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not a big spender. I don't drive a

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<v Speaker 2>fancy car. Both of my houses, one in New York

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<v Speaker 2>and an apartment and a house here are basically unfurnished

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<v Speaker 2>because I have a German shepherd and I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>want a wet dog on the couch. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>buy a nice couch. I live the same way I

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<v Speaker 2>lived when I was broke. Okay, except for I spend

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<v Speaker 2>money on dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Right you talk about having all these friends, Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the beginning. You're a little kid growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey. Did you always have a group of

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<v Speaker 1>close friends? So what is it about you? Because of

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<v Speaker 1>course the nature you know, whether it be any comedian,

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<v Speaker 1>you know someone who is saying negative things about people

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<v Speaker 1>at the end, away says, I kid, I kid over

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<v Speaker 1>all having fun here. But what allowed you to have

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<v Speaker 1>all these friends?

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<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting question to me. It's I'm loyal and

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<v Speaker 2>I gravitate towards the love and I make friends easily,

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<v Speaker 2>but I hold on to them. In your green room

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<v Speaker 2>right now, is my best pal from college, Mark who

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<v Speaker 2>I talk about in my show, who talked to me

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<v Speaker 2>to being a comedian. You don't get rid of people

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<v Speaker 2>like that who give you a gift like that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my best pal, and when we have life issues we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it. Friendship, Bob, is an investment. You invest

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<v Speaker 2>your memories, your history, your secrets into somebody. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you lose a friend, either an argument or death. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the law. That's the loss. That feels way worse to

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<v Speaker 2>me than financial bankruptcy. When you lose a friend, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest thing. I had a friend about ten years

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<v Speaker 2>ago and got sick and he really thought he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to die and we had say goodbye, and he

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<v Speaker 2>figured it out and he got well. But I remember

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<v Speaker 2>that feeling that would have been my first really good

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<v Speaker 2>pal to go and I thought, wow, this is I

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<v Speaker 2>would rather be bankrupt and have to lose this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy knows everything about me, he knows everything. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been through it together, We've been all over the world together.

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<v Speaker 2>So friendship to me is an investment. I look at

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<v Speaker 2>that the way other people look at a financial investment.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, have you had friends who have pulled away from

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<v Speaker 1>you for whatever reason, and how have you handled that?

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<v Speaker 2>I try to Yes, it took me about fifty years

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out you can't be friends with everybody. That

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<v Speaker 2>was a tough realization, and I take the high road.

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<v Speaker 2>I never bad mouthed, never, And there's a lot of temptation,

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<v Speaker 2>especially me. I'm in front of a microphone every night,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't do it because I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>looks good for me either. I think negativity. I took

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<v Speaker 2>some hit, some hard losses as a young man. My

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<v Speaker 2>parents died when I was a teenager, and I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that if I could stay positive and keep moving forward

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<v Speaker 2>instead of always looking backwards, I would live longer. Buddy

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<v Speaker 2>Hackett was one of my best friends. He was like

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<v Speaker 2>a brother and a mentor. And he used to say,

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<v Speaker 2>when you get a hold in a grudge, the other

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<v Speaker 2>guy's out dancing, so I hold out of that. I

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<v Speaker 2>like to be the guy dancing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna talk a specific story, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>history I'm gonna leave out. I have a friend I

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<v Speaker 1>went to college with, one of the closest friends. From college,

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<v Speaker 1>we drifted away, but we reconnected. It's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time together. He lives in a different state. He emailed

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<v Speaker 1>me when COVID began, et cetera. Then he ghosted me completely.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you first you go through your own you know

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<v Speaker 1>what have I said, what have I done? And in

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<v Speaker 1>this particular case, you email, you text, you call, you

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<v Speaker 1>get a hold of the brother, and you get nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>As I say, I'm willing to eat just about anything,

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<v Speaker 1>the person wouldn't even respond took me a year to say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna let go.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you hurt people or they hurt you, and you

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<v Speaker 2>just don't want to go there. I'm assuming you wrote

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<v Speaker 2>something in your freaking letter to pissed them off.

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<v Speaker 1>That immediately goes through my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and what did I say? What I want to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever? Bu blah boy. This is you know with somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not somebody you meet in LA. You know, for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody you know him for decades, right, you know you

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<v Speaker 1>want to beat me up? I mean he does this

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<v Speaker 1>is the There are examples in his life with people

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<v Speaker 1>where he's done this previously.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not the only person probably shout on somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>album and you forgot that that was his cousin or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it was. Or I guess you know you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a unique position. You're a little like me and that

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<v Speaker 2>you know we roast, criticize, you know, we do our thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's we should get hazard paid, Bob. People don't realize

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<v Speaker 2>what we're doing is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in your case, it's comedy, but it's got an

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<v Speaker 1>element of truth. I like to see myself as a truth.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, what cracks me up is when people I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you a specific example. This guy's a DJ, not

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<v Speaker 1>anymore in Chicago, but longstanding. He goes, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>friends with Peter Gabriel. You want to do a podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Gibbet sure comes back.

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<v Speaker 2>From Peter Gabriel.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote about how I released my album Never I'm

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<v Speaker 1>cracking up. It's kind of like, okay, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what joke. I'm upstairs at the whiskey with cheap trick. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Robin Xander is there literally like an inchway. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell you a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in this situation where rock.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so he goes, well, you know, musician goes on

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<v Speaker 1>the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, on the road a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Comes home, wife's not there, car's not there, can't figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what's going on. He goes to the next door neighbor.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know what's going on? Oh yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know this guy you know kept on coming by, said

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<v Speaker 1>he was your manager, and you know, I think he

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<v Speaker 1>took off with your wife. And the musician says, my

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<v Speaker 1>manager came to my house.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great joke, right, Well, I.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard it. You know, musician jokes are a club

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<v Speaker 1>unto themselves and you're saying either at the whiskey. So yes, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Told that very well though I credit you, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess that well. I could have told her better. I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the middle. I mean, okay, I guess for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you watch show hacks Jean Smartest Beyond Belief? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was never a fan? Did you watch the finale?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't gotten there yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well I watched the finale went live last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it when people play safe and pull it.

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<v Speaker 1>The heart springs one thing. If that's what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>is like the finale of Seinfeld sucked but they tried,

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<v Speaker 1>so I like when you're try whatever, we're getting way

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<v Speaker 1>way off play. Let me go back to an earlier question.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to school in New Jersey. Yeah ay, good student? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>b B plus okay, school play sports yep, football, karate? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a different era you go to school.

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<v Speaker 2>But you asked a question about my friends. I was

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<v Speaker 2>the one guy in high school who could be friends

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<v Speaker 2>with the nerds, the jocks, every type of person. I

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<v Speaker 2>always had that. I always could move from group to group.

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<v Speaker 1>I had that especially in college.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, where'd you go?

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<v Speaker 1>This is Middlebury College in Vermont, which is a story

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<v Speaker 1>unto itself, drew out of water in a different pre

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<v Speaker 1>internet era. We can talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But did you learn anything about broadcasting in college? Because

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing they teach is not to bang on

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<v Speaker 2>the table when you have like I was on the

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<v Speaker 2>radio line, I went, I learned the hard way at NPR.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were getting along with all these groups. And

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<v Speaker 1>if I how many people went to your high school A.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple hundred, five, six hundred, I guess that's pretty low.

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<v Speaker 1>Would they say, oh, jeff Ross, Oh he's like the

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<v Speaker 1>most popular guy in school.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no no. I was well liked, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say that was the most popular lift Schultz

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<v Speaker 2>back then. Jeffrey Ross left Schultz. I played football, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't start. I had occasional handholding girlfriend, but nothing

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<v Speaker 2>till college. Really, you know, no, it was not a standout.

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<v Speaker 1>Did your success allow you to have more friends? Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but we all know a bazillion people. I'll give you

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 1>an example. This is an old story. Okay, you work

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<v Speaker 1>for this English management company. The people at Capitol Records

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<v Speaker 1>were not everybody. A couple of people treated me like shit. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Then I wrote the newsletter that said, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the only guy who knows what's going on. I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>same guy, right. But so you have a certain level

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<v Speaker 1>of status, they deal with you differently.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not I don't know if it's status. But you

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<v Speaker 2>start to have a voice in the world. You mature,

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<v Speaker 2>you have opinions. You evolved, Bob, and that's what it is, Okay.

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I started writing from my school paper. So people start

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<v Speaker 2>to go, oh, I read your review of the Tattoo

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<v Speaker 2>you Rolling Stones album and you know, and I go, oh,

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 2>really do you like? And suddenly you're talking to somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>It brings you know, expressing yourself will attract people and

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<v Speaker 2>also send people away from you. But for the most

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<v Speaker 2>part I was writing positive things, and I don't I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been one to push people away. When one of

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons I wanted to come on here was because

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<v Speaker 2>you said something nice about You wrote something so nice

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<v Speaker 2>about me, and I go as a comedian, but also

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 2>as a human being, I go towards the love. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what you do in life. So if someone writes something

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 2>nice and you agree with that, you might suddenly become

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of theirs. That's just natural. Human nature. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's status.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's an interesting perspective. You know, I haven't consciously

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<v Speaker 1>thought about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think of it as transactional now the way

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<v Speaker 2>you are. I'm also not getting pitched, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not under the scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 1>Are just it is? We get big this. I was

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<v Speaker 1>not planning to speak much at all, and suddenly I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going forth.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this that you're actually opening up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't do this with Carol Leifer. You made her

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<v Speaker 2>do all the work.

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<v Speaker 1>No. No, my goal is to make it about the

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<v Speaker 1>person I'm interviewing. Okay, I get to express myself in

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 1>other places. So it drives me crazy. Interviewers were busy

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>interrupting and telling their own story. Now I only know

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<v Speaker 1>you from the person on the screen. A lot of

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 1>those people you put a nickel in the jukebox and

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<v Speaker 1>they just go. So you're steering.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>So I'm only been sitting here with you twenty five minutes,

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and all of sudden I realized I'm running this through

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>my head. Say, okay, how's irrelevant to me? How's this

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:15.640
<v Speaker 1>state of mind? How's his health? B Is he anxious?

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>In this situation. See does he's worry they're going to

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>hit land mines four? Do I just have to hit

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<v Speaker 1>the right spot. I'll give you an example. This is

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of funny, Malcolm glad Well, you know that is

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of down on now, not for anything personal.

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 1>We go to dinner. What's the number one rule of

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 1>famous people? You do not talk to them about what

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 1>they're famous about. You go to a musician and you say, oh,

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I love you, You're done.

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I know. I really fell into this trap the other

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>day with Springsteen with who Bruce?

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>What'd you say?

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>You said? I'm a big fan sen you a hundred

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>times by Bruce, instead of trying to connect with him

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 2>man to manner as an artist or anything, I just

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>fumbled through.

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like Joe walsho I know more than a little.

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.959
<v Speaker 1>I see Joe Walsh. I'll talk about Ham Radio. They

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 1>light right up up about that.

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like when you meet Tom Hanks, you don't talk

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>about you know, Forrest Gump, you talk about typewriters exactly.

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, he did an event at my friend's bookstores.

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>He talked to him about that.

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they treat you.

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>They put up their guard immediately and I had.

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 2>A million angles on Bruce, and of course I went

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>to the dumb fanboy. I became a twelve year old.

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Just to be very clear, what were the exact circumstances

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 1>you encountered.

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Bruce uh was backstage at the Garden. His security guard

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 2>likes me, pushed me in the room, said Goseida Bruce.

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's after the show. Yeah, after the show,

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>you're in the room. How long after he leaves the stage?

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Twenty minutes fifteen?

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>You're in the room. Who else is in the.

0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Room, Oh, my goodness, Joan Biez. Who people? No, twenty people.

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.479
<v Speaker 1>So you're observing a little bit before you go in.

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Hillary Clinton had already come through, Chris Christy had already

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>come through. You're there, Okay, I'm there, but I don't

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 2>see myself as a celebrity in that room. I'm there

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 2>as a fan book.

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>But that's not my point. You've been in a lot

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>of these rooms. You wait for your moment. You don't

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>immediately go into Hey, Bruce, I got a call.

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>He came over, which was made me nervous. If I

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 2>had thought I'm gonna meet Bruce tonight. By the way,

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I met him a month ago at the Forum, Jimmy

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Kimmel brought me in and I did the same thing.

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Instead of saying, hey, Bruce, I saw you on Broadway.

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I just did a Broadway show. It's about New Jersey.

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I think you'd like it, and you'd go, hey, man,

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to check that out on the plane tonight

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to be best friends and I'm gonna

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>call you, and none of that happened. I also could

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 2>have said, hey, you and I are both friends with

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Vedder. Look what he wrote on my arm so

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 2>tattoo it says born to Rose, and he go, hey,

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I love Eddie. That's so funny. No, none of that.

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 2>What I did was Bruce, I've seen you a hundred times.

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I really loved that you played the Clampdown tonight, the

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 2>class song, And he said, hey, Mick Jones was just

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 2>in my dressing room a minute ago, and I was like, oh,

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like I stammered. I was so starstruck that I just

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 2>couldn't even wait.

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Wait, were there are a couple of things going on here? Yeah,

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Bruce comes over to you. Ye met him once before.

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I met him a few times. He saw me perform

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 2>ones that have benefit for the troops, Like we have

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 2>some history, okay, but I'm pointed.

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>We've all been in these rooms where the famous person

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>is there and somebody's whispering in there. Oh, that's so

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and so right, that's not what was going on. He

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>came to you.

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they did that. Yeah, I don't know.

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Didn't sound like if you met him.

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 2>His assistant is fond of me and we have some

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>mutual friends.

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>But let's go back. And so I was not at

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that show. I read that he did the clampdown. That

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.959
<v Speaker 1>wasn't that bad. You're beating yourself up unnecessarily.

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Bob.

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>No, seriously, if you feel better if you had said,

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 1>seen you one hundred times, you meant so much to

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>be in college. When you play the guitar, he has

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>eyes were rolling in the back of his head. But

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>when you talk about something, because he had to pick

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the clamp down.

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>He said, I had to do it, man, I had

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>to do it.

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like say, but he was somewhere, somewhere to go,

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I should do the clip. The other thing, of course,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>is you think of Bruce Springsteen, you don't.

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Think of the clash. No, So he felt good.

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>He immediately talked about Mick Jones, but you're also backstage.

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 1>There's only a limited amount of time for each Bruce.

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, You're right, You're absolutely right, And now I feel

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>a little better thinking I was cooler than the next person.

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.719
<v Speaker 2>And he's said, oh, you know, Tom Morello suggested it,

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 2>and we did have a nice exchange about that. But

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 2>for him, it's mostly forgettable. For me, I wanted to

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 2>go wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait. I guess what

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying is all I want in the world is

0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 2>for Bruce to watch take a banana for the ride

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Flicks and I didn't tell him about it. That's all

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 2>I want in the world, just for him to be

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>my fan.

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, just just to hang in there. To what degree

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>can you self promote?

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 2>No, all my friends are like, you can't do that.

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>You shouldn't be plugging your show to Bruce Springsteen, and

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, am I probably would have been able to

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 2>do or.

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>My friends were managing Jimmy Page. He was honored led

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Zeppelin's a Kennedy Center honor, so he's meeting Obama. He

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>gave him the led Zeppelin Live album. I would not

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>do that. But to what degree are you in a

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 1>situation where you're going to stand up and say I

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>do X or It's like, what makes me crazy is

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter X whatever people say, oh I met you know,

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the laugh shack on the twentieth and I'm here. The

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>other thing is when they say, oh, read about me here,

0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>read about me here. It's like, that makes me in now.

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of people become very successful that way.

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>So I'm asking about you. Bruce is the pinnacle. But

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>if it wasn't Bruce, it was you know, JEFFA meant

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>to whatever, you know, etc. And you're talking, would you

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>tell him to watch your special?

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have been No, I would because a minute before,

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 2>a minute after Bruce walked away, Joan Bias kind of

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 2>looked at me and struck up a conversation. I guess

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 2>her friends told her I was a comedian, and I

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>immediately told her about my special. I wasn't intimidated, he

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>just and I made a great joke to her.

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Start on a more micro level, she walks.

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Over, I love how you're breaking this down.

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I who speaks first for you?

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. It was our eyes met and I

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:50.479
<v Speaker 2>was starstruck because she's so beautiful, and just an incredible artist.

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>So the conversation, how does how much goes down before

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you talk about the special.

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I think my recollection is that my buddy Steve was

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 2>with me. He'd have to back this up. But what

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I think happened was I kind of saw her looking

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and her friends were kind of acting like they might

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 2>want to take a picture with me. I don't know

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 2>if they were her relatives or her friends. They were

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>much younger. You know, she's a woman maybe in her

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 2>eighties or something. She looks great, So I kind of

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 2>saw that as an opening to wave and walk across.

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.879
<v Speaker 2>Is not much further than we are from here, which

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 2>is like four feet And I may have said, what

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:40.719
<v Speaker 2>a pleasure to meet you. Do you think I could

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>take a picture with you? That kind of thing? I

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 2>thought in this case, being a fan would be the

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 2>right approach, just.

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>To hang in there. Yeah, to what degree would do

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 1>you do that with people?

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 2>In general?

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Hey, let's take a picture when you're not the star,

0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>when somebody else is someone you would desire. I were

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>a picture of it was supposed to be coming up

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>to you.

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I held back a couple of days ago with a big,

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 2>big photo op I decided to be the friend and

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 2>not the fan. We can get into that after.

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I'll just tell you, since we're telling stories back and forth,

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I was in Seattle. Yeah, okay, I'll tell you a

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 1>better story the night the House of Blues opened in

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, Aerosmith opened.

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>It's so funny, and.

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Upstairs was not finished, but that was where the party is.

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 1>And I'm talking to Steven Tyler, whom I know, and

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling a story makes me look good. But you

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 1>only have so many of these. But then you know,

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>not the guy between security and best friend because you

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>know Steven, because I'm like the first guy talking to him.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Who run and he said, he looks at the guy goes,

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.360
<v Speaker 1>this is the most important person here. I'm going to

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>talk to him as long as I like. It's like wow,

0:35:54.880 --> 0:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>so not how you know? Actually this other story is

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 1>around the same time. Whatever. I'm in Seattle. A friend

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>of mine's a radio promotion person aerosmiths in town. You

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.240
<v Speaker 1>got to take a picture. You gotta get in the picture.

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I said, no, I mean, I don't know. If you

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.399
<v Speaker 1>know radio promotion levels of people, it really goes at

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the very micro level. They can get really intense they

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 1>try not to go there, but they all the really

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>good ones have that where they push really hard and

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>he looks at me in the eye.

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:29.240
<v Speaker 2>You gotta do it, Papa.

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>But I'm staying in his house. So I go over

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>into the group picture. Steven Tyler looks at me, goes,

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing in the picture?

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Do you want a picture? We'll take a picture.

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 1>So, but generally speaking, I'm not building a monument to myself.

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I have a lot of opinions on this,

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. I'm not saying, hey, oh, you're a famous person,

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 1>especially now because everybody's got a camera on their phone, Oh,

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>let's take a picture, etc. I'm not building a document.

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't have any awards. But if I had Grammy awards,

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 1>they would be in the bathroom like many people keep them.

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>So putting it back to what degree do you have

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>pictures of you with famous people when you were not

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>the headliner, when you were not performing?

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Many? I love them. I'm a fan first. I love them.

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I love it not always for Instagram content, but just

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to have I have lots of pictures I've never posted.

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I take pictures with rock stars, pop stars, rappers, athletes,

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 2>and I love group shots, Like if there's seven comedians

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>at a party or backstage, I always want that picture.

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I love memories. My show is all pictures, family pictures.

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm the keeper of the history. I'm the archivist from

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>my family.

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I got a couple of we's stop stopped. I like

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.800
<v Speaker 1>too many topics in a gig. An insider a gig.

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing my thing, and Paul McCartney is after me. Okay,

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:10.279
<v Speaker 1>then we're like in the green room. I'd met him before,

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>he would never remember. Actually, this is the perfect example. Okay,

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>someone's pushing me to go talk to him. Okay, you

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 1>know this is all insiders. Okay. I saw that he'd

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 1>been skiing in vermonts. Hey, I saw you were Bromley

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 1>ski area. He starts talking about all that. That's how

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 1>I approach him. But then you want a picture, So

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>he said, we're going to take a picture. I would

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 1>never have said, hey, I put my arm around Paul McCarty,

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Hey take a picture.

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Someone, did you favor I mean, a less awkward, less

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.879
<v Speaker 2>thirstday now is maybe I'm older.

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't even really need it. At this point I

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>was there. I talked to Paul McCarty whether it's a

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>picture or not. But this leads into another thing. When

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 1>you look at your special Give you an example. My father,

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>a little bit older than you, general than you, it

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 1>was they all had eight eight millimeter movies with a

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:13.959
<v Speaker 1>giant light thing shooting that Those disappeared a long time ago.

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.240
<v Speaker 1>But my father shot a shit ton of slides. Shit

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>ton okay. My mother moved out of the house after

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.839
<v Speaker 1>fifty years that I grew up in. She was gonna

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 1>throw them away, okay, And I said, no, no, no, you

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>can't throw them away, et cetera. Now I know what

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>those slides are up. I was positively stunned that you

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 1>had all this material. Where was it and how did

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 1>you get it all there?

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:46.879
<v Speaker 2>It was always in my very close to me my

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:51.480
<v Speaker 2>parents love letters, their wedding albums, my bar mits albums,

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>my sister's, my grandfather's false teeth, my parents' death certificates

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.839
<v Speaker 2>are never more than a few yards from where I live.

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:03.439
<v Speaker 2>They're always in my house.

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Let's be very specific. How did your parents love letters

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.760
<v Speaker 1>get to you they died.

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 2>My mom had kept them because they were letters my

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.439
<v Speaker 2>dad wrote to my mom. I never found the ones

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 2>that she wrote back, and when I found bags of them.

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 2>They just go in a box and they go in

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the house, and I keep them, not knowing if I'll

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 2>ever read them or not. And then decades go by

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 2>and I become a comedian, and then I go I

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about life and death and love, and

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I make a show. So I kept, I keep everything,

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 2>and I still am that way.

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, before your parents died, did you know those letters existing? No,

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>So you're going through the house and you found them. Yeah, okay,

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Now you're living in apartments. Where's all the shit piled

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 1>up in close apartment? I always had to get places

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 1>big enough to store all my stuff. I wouldn't call

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>it hoarding. I would call it keeping the memories. It

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 1>would pain me to throw it out. My sister didn't

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>want most of it. She wanted some jewelry that was special,

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that was my mom's. That never meant as much to me.

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm still wearing my grandfather's ring, you know. Right now,

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like I can't let go of life and friends

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and family. I can't let go of it. I want

0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 1>to memorialize these things. And sometimes that's just once a

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.399
<v Speaker 1>year peeking in the closet and going, oh yeah, there's

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:48.279
<v Speaker 1>that album, and there's that, and there's that I still

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>have it. Okay, Okay, do you have your report cards

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.800
<v Speaker 1>from going to Okay, when was the first time you

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:56.240
<v Speaker 1>went to see a shrink.

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Ten years ago? What was the motivation a breakup? We'll

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 2>get back to that.

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 1>You get through the breakup with a lot of other

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 1>stuff is going on. These issues come up. What does

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the shrink say?

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 2>What issue?

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, your parents die at a young age. Under you know,

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>you could be in a car wreck. That might be worse,

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 1>but under that not good circumstances. Your mother gets leukemia,

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:33.160
<v Speaker 1>your father od's before many people knew what cocaine was, right, Okay,

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:40.000
<v Speaker 1>So there's that disconnect. You're kind of, you know, a

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:43.320
<v Speaker 1>balloon floating in the sky. One could say, I'm not

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a psychiatrist. Well, part of you holding on to this stuff.

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 1>These are your roots. This is what's rooting you to

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the world.

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I never talked to a shrink about any of this.

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:55.399
<v Speaker 2>This doesn't come up.

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>So when you went to see the shrink about the breakup?

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:00.080
<v Speaker 1>How long did you see the shrink?

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I still talk to her and I go three

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:07.919
<v Speaker 2>or maybe five six times a year. Okay, I don't

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.239
<v Speaker 2>go often. Okay, when did this breakup happen? Ten and

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 2>eleven years ago?

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay? How long did you go steadily before?

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:19.439
<v Speaker 2>You win? Three or four times a year, not every

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks, for a couple of months.

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay, are you over that girl today?

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's back up a little bit to the general public.

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Use I don't get over people.

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't either, That's why I asked.

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't have regrets because everything was how it had

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 2>to happen at the time. But yeah, I don't let

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>go of love very easily.

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but it's so rare love that Okay, but you

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 1>have never been married? No, and you live alone presently?

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>This woman? How to be a serious relationship for you

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.839
<v Speaker 1>to go to the shrink in your life? Has that

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>been the only serious relationship where? There have been other

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:09.240
<v Speaker 1>ones in that caliber?

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.879
<v Speaker 2>Quite a few, not quite a few, but no, that's caliber. Yeah,

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I've had a few. So what made this been very lucky?

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.840
<v Speaker 2>What made this one specially? She did some very formidable people?

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 2>What made this one special? She really loved me and

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I really loved her?

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Did you fuck it up?

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:30.239
<v Speaker 2>I think we were growing apart. I don't think I.

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Blew the whistle. It's an ever mutual.

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh. It was complicated by a health emergency I was having,

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 2>which is not this one. No, I was, I was,

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was. I didn't know what was happening

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:50.359
<v Speaker 2>to me. I was. I was stressed out because my hair.

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I had a big fro and all my hair fell

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.359
<v Speaker 2>out within a few weeks, and then my eyebrows and eyelashes.

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was dying and was eventually figured out

0:44:59.880 --> 0:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that I have alopecia, which isn't life threatening, but it

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 2>is life changing. My fame was gone. No one recognized me.

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I was totally look different.

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 1>This is in the special. But exactly when did this happen?

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 2>This happened about twelve years ago, ten eleven, twelve years ago,

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 2>something like right around the time of the Justin Bieber

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Roast whenever. That was the first time I came out bald.

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 2>I was going to do a show in a maximum

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 2>security jail in Texas, so I used that as an

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 2>excuse to shave my head, but in fact it was

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 2>the alopecia. So well, let me look more like these

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 2>skinheads in Texas instead of their Jewish lawyer with the

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>curly hair. I'll look more like them. So I was

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 2>telling my fans that that's why I was doing it,

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:55.359
<v Speaker 2>but in fact, I don't have a choice. And we

0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 2>all know how men and women will do anything to

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:00.719
<v Speaker 2>have their hair a certain way. And suddenly it was

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.840
<v Speaker 2>all gone, and it was a little traumatizing. I'm not

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna lie. I was lying about it. I was covering

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.920
<v Speaker 2>it up. My eyebrows fell out. I lied about it.

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 2>I lied on Joe Rogan. I lied to my friends

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 2>saying I was doing it for a role. I would

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 2>just say anything to change the subject. How did you

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 2>decide to come out? Will Smith? Jada Pinkett Smith, The

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Oscars Go a Little Deeper? Did a show in Atlanta's

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Sitting in the hotel room after watching The Oscars, Chris

0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Rock makes a soft joke. Will Smith gets up and

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 2>assaults Chris Rock. Now as an insult comic is a

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 2>roaster I see, I start crying. I go, oh, my

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 2>career is over. This guy's getting away with this on

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the Oscars. I can't If it's okay to hit somebody

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:09.440
<v Speaker 2>for a joke, then maybe I need to rethink what

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing for a living. I'm a black belt, but

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to be in this kind of inferno.

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 2>And I remember my doctor at Yale saying that he

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:32.239
<v Speaker 2>had a patient he knew of a girl, a young

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:39.959
<v Speaker 2>girl who had alopecia, a kid, A lot of young

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:44.920
<v Speaker 2>kids get alopecia, and her schoolmates teased her and she

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 2>killed herself. I'm laying there steaming, going, man, you know

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Jada Pinkett smanth I just kind of laughed, had been

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 2>a good sport about it, she would have normalized this

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 2>condition for hundreds of thousands of people. So I made

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:14.320
<v Speaker 2>a post. After years of lying about it, I wrote

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>a post that night, without thinking about it much, with

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 2>no filter, not I'm sure people could look this up.

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I wrote an essay somewhere. I can't tell people how

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:35.439
<v Speaker 2>to feel. I definitely sympathized with Jada, like it said.

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:39.799
<v Speaker 2>I was very sensitive myself. I was lying. But here

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:46.280
<v Speaker 2>was the most beautiful woman front row at the oscars

0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:51.919
<v Speaker 2>in a gown. She's not there as a hostage. She's

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 2>in the front row. She knows what this is. And

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 2>if she had just laughed, I think it would have

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 2>gone a lot of good. And it struck me as

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 2>a moment for me to speak up and go. I

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:15.080
<v Speaker 2>also have alopecia, and it's not at the end of

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 2>the world. It's not a death sentence like other diseases.

0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 2>It's just cosmetic. I shouldn't say just cosmetic, because it

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 2>affects your self esteem, which then can affect everything. So

0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell women how to feel about their hair.

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell other men how to feel about their hair.

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 2>But for me it became a coming out and I

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:44.439
<v Speaker 2>was very relieved to share that news.

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>So I was a response.

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>It was huge. It got picked up everywhere. All the

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 2>trades got picked up everywhere.

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Has anybody since you've come out either attacked you or

0:49:57.840 --> 0:49:59.319
<v Speaker 1>said something negative about it?

0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Maybe? Maybe, But I was careful about what I said.

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Let me know, you're walking around in life, you know,

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.399
<v Speaker 1>in the heat of the moment. Does anybody ever use

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that to put you down? So this all goes down.

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:19.120
<v Speaker 2>People don't want to bump Pug the bear right, this

0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 2>is ruthless.

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.479
<v Speaker 1>People go this all goes down with this woman? Where

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 1>is this woman today?

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Jada Pinkett Smith.

0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>No, the woman's the relationship you.

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Will she's with the new guy ten years gone.

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, is she married to this person?

0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:39.799
<v Speaker 2>You don't I'm afraid to find out.

0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, how do you know that she's with the guy?

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Mm? Just to be very clear, do you know see

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:46.240
<v Speaker 2>them together?

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 1>You've seen them together. It's not a matter of you're

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 1>looking online.

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Maybe be a little bit of that. But I'm happy

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:56.160
<v Speaker 2>for her, of course. Always want what's best for people

0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 2>that I love always.

0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you're a type of person has no regrets.

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Uh, I don't live like that. Now you don't say

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:07.799
<v Speaker 2>I have a great life. I'm not a big complainer.

0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm not big at looking back. That's why the show

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>is so unique, because it was a chore for me

0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 2>to look back. But for the most part, I'm very

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:20.360
<v Speaker 2>much one step in front of the other, keep going.

0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Life is so good. I'm so lucky, Bob, I get

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:25.360
<v Speaker 2>to do it.

0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I love the bush.

0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I got it. I got that bullshit. No but it's

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:29.439
<v Speaker 2>a philosophy.

0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 1>No but it's a philosophy. But you are living in

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:37.120
<v Speaker 1>your body twenty four to seven. There are thoughts going

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 1>through your head when you put your head on the pillow.

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:44.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they are. Almost nobody knows who

0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the other one. Life is tough for everybody. There are

0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 1>different layers one way, you have cancer and envelop of

0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:53.520
<v Speaker 1>a fucking gardener spray dirt all over my car today?

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:55.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, Jesus, when do you have to do this

0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:59.320
<v Speaker 1>in the gutter, et cetera. Okay, that doesn't mean that

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm why, But the nature of life has ups and downs.

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:07.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of these are cliches. The well

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 1>adjusted people don't become comedians. So you never feel that

0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 1>well Jesus, And I know she's in another world now,

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 1>But if I played my cards right, this this could

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 1>have been for me.

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 2>No, because we broke up for a reason. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't accidentally break up.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what's your romantic life like now?

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty good?

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you how does Jeff rossby women?

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<v Speaker 2>Friends? Usually friends through friends? Social okay, interactions. You're famous,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm infamous.

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 1>As well as famous. The women ever hit on you

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<v Speaker 1>because of your infamiity I imagine you imagine. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're in those.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, I can't say why.

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<v Speaker 1>No, if you're working or you're inge with springsteam, that's

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:05.799
<v Speaker 1>very different from your friend setting you up on a date.

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:07.600
<v Speaker 1>If a girl comes.

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Up, yes, I banged Joan Bias. Now it's out there.

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<v Speaker 1>No, what I'm trying to say, is have you met

0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:15.560
<v Speaker 1>girlfriends that way?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, comedy is great for that, Okay, Richard Lewis

0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:24.760
<v Speaker 2>making someone laugh is a tremendous superpower, right. Richard Lewis

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 2>before always had the most beautiful people and had a

0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 2>beautiful Joyce, his beautiful wife. Richard Lewis was.

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<v Speaker 1>Well talking about Richard. You know the funny thing about

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Richard my own interactions. He was really that guy. But

0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 1>most people you think there's another person underneath commer. But

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:45.359
<v Speaker 1>he said, prior to the wife that he had when

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<v Speaker 1>he passed, he was with for Good Abount a time

0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 1>before that he had sleeves. He would say, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what we're doing watching the movie. We're doing this, We're

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 1>doing that, and they said yes, whereas Joyce would not

0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:58.839
<v Speaker 1>do that. So have you ever had that experience?

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:02.120
<v Speaker 2>I see it this way, I see you have. I've

0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 2>had sidekicks and I've had partners. They're both great, but

0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I prefer a partner.

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:09.840
<v Speaker 1>And do you have a partner now? No?

0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:13.480
<v Speaker 2>So I had one while I was sick and that

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<v Speaker 2>really helped.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's great. The person stood by you when I'm

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:24.160
<v Speaker 1>talking about romantic life, you told me your friend's setting

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<v Speaker 1>you up. Is that three times a year or three

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<v Speaker 1>times a month?

0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Three times a year? Very picky? Okay, I don't have

0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time for dating. Well, one of the

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 2>criteria sense of humor. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they have to make you laugh? They just have

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<v Speaker 1>to laugh at your jokes.

0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't matter.

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Sense of humor, okay, looks career status, family background.

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:58.840
<v Speaker 2>They they can't need me, they need they want to

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.160
<v Speaker 2>have to want me, want to be with me. If

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 2>they need me, if there's some desperate if they need

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:07.920
<v Speaker 2>a friend circle, or if they needed money or a

0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:10.319
<v Speaker 2>place to live, that's a huge turnoff. I would never

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.440
<v Speaker 2>date someone like that. They have to be substantial people.

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<v Speaker 1>To what degree is being Jewish a factor?

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<v Speaker 3>Not?

0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay? But it helps. It's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Way I went to college. I went to high school.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of Jews went to college. It weren't a

0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of Jews. Jewish women very verbal. You may not

0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 1>want to hear what they have to say, but very verbal.

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind that and grew up in it. But

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I'm going here grew up in houses with

0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:39.080
<v Speaker 1>a sense of humor. I mean, I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like you know the opening of Annie Hall or

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:44.960
<v Speaker 1>is it radio days when you know it is Annie

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:48.719
<v Speaker 1>ol Albi when they're living under the No, it's but

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking radio days when they're all at the table

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:54.839
<v Speaker 1>around and they're talking over each other. That's how it

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.160
<v Speaker 1>was when I grew up. So you know, a lot

0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:01.200
<v Speaker 1>of times you can be around Jewish women and they

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:03.959
<v Speaker 1>have the same background, same sense of you ber, they're

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:06.440
<v Speaker 1>coming from the same place. Have you noticed that?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, everyone's different. I don't think you can generalize like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's stay on this. The special starts off

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:21.400
<v Speaker 1>with a song. The song goes on for a while,

0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 1>permit it there. I thought it's gonna be a whole

0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:29.920
<v Speaker 1>musical special. But the essence of the song, which does change,

0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:38.360
<v Speaker 1>is don't fuck with the Jews. Forget the Let me

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:43.960
<v Speaker 1>just simplify it. You're starting right off with your Jewish

0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:47.359
<v Speaker 1>identity in an era where there's never been as much

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:51.640
<v Speaker 1>anti Semitism has ever been in my life, are you

0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 1>conscious of that?

0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:55.200
<v Speaker 1>So how did you wrestle with that?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still wrestling with it. I am because I want

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<v Speaker 2>because I never really did that in my comedy. So

0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:05.440
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I'm wondering, you know, if I hadn't done that,

0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:09.960
<v Speaker 2>would the special have played differently? Would it have been

0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:15.879
<v Speaker 2>more of a popular But I go, but that wouldn't be.

0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Somebody said to me the other day, if I had

0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:24.320
<v Speaker 2>put this out twenty A very smart friend college professor said,

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<v Speaker 2>if I had put this out twenty years ago, would

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:30.800
<v Speaker 2>be the biggest thing ever on Broadway, because that's when

0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Billy Crystal did his and that's when a lot of

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:43.160
<v Speaker 2>these Jewish jewishness was more commercial. But I liked the

0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 2>song and I liked performing it. I like the way

0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:49.120
<v Speaker 2>it kicks off the special. It's not political, it's not

0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:53.720
<v Speaker 2>about Israel. It's about the tough Jews that I grew

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:57.840
<v Speaker 2>up with. My uncle Murray World War two, VET helped

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:01.720
<v Speaker 2>liberate a concentration camp, my great a Rosi, who started

0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 2>a catering hall in Newark before women really had big

0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:16.520
<v Speaker 2>businesses like that. And then it goes into more modern

0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:21.240
<v Speaker 2>elements of my life, my nephew being a firefighter, my

0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:25.720
<v Speaker 2>sister being a special ed teacher. And I go, well,

0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:30.000
<v Speaker 2>if this was about being Puerto Rican or Italian or black,

0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure you'd be asking. Maybe you would, But

0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:39.520
<v Speaker 2>to me, I go, well, this is just Jewish pride

0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 2>but not Jewish politics. And it's fun. And it was

0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:47.720
<v Speaker 2>fun every night on Broadway for eight weeks, eight shows

0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a week to see Jewish people, Black people, Muslim people,

0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Greek people, Asian people singing don't fuck with the Jews

0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 2>and clapping in the band, rocking out and it was funny.

0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 2>It was a send up.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, to what degree your entire life have you encountered

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<v Speaker 1>anti semitism?

0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Very little? Have you been in an invite recently?

0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, let's divide for a second.

0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:23.919
<v Speaker 2>Very little till now?

0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you have never growing up with an environment where

0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:32.440
<v Speaker 1>people making anti Semitic comments, not realizing you were Jewish.

0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 2>It's gotten worse than that. Sitting outside the other day

0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:43.920
<v Speaker 2>on McDougall Street having dessert with a friend outside and

0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what this person was, some kind of

0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:53.000
<v Speaker 2>vagrant just started saying anti Semitic things to us. So

0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:57.240
<v Speaker 2>now you don't have it's the opposite. They're calling you

0:59:57.600 --> 1:00:04.640
<v Speaker 2>a Jew in a negative way without knowing whether you're Jewish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's worse. Yeah, it's worse, Bob that I that opened

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<v Speaker 2>my eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother is a year old.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a slur now, for people you don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, this story has got it's a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 1>They were in southwestern Colorado, Durango and some elder thing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know whatever, and they walk into a restaurant. No

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<v Speaker 1>one's there, she and her friends and the guy bound

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<v Speaker 1>the counter goes Jews or I'm living in Santa Monica,

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<v Speaker 1>where I lived for a long time, but just after

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<v Speaker 1>I moved in there, they spray painted a Jewish star

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<v Speaker 1>on my garage. My first question is how did they know?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the type person I don't want to know my

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors because they ask for favors and all the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've had some you know, drive me to the airport,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's like, you're nice,

1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:01.560
<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to be your best friend. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not interacting with anybody in the neighborhood. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you even know I'm Jewish?

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<v Speaker 2>That's weird because now they're spying on you or looking

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<v Speaker 2>you up or following you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but this was before the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Gossip.

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<v Speaker 1>So switching gears to the political. What's your take on

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<v Speaker 1>the political element of being Jewish in Israel?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't pretend to be an expert, but I'm a pacifist.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like seeing any of this. Oh, let's stop.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up with Holocaust survivors in the community. They

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<v Speaker 1>had tattoos on their arms, et cetera. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>born in fifty three. It was not that far distant. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I notice the children of my contemporaries come of a

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<v Speaker 1>different place. Okay, And I don't want to defend NAT

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<v Speaker 1>and Yahoo, but I'm also aware of the fact the

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<v Speaker 1>goal of all these peoples to have Israel non exist. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know they killed thirty thousand people overnight, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>overnight in Iran, crickets on campus, et cetera. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit like, don't fuck with the Jews. Whatever you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Your thing is like, we just want to

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<v Speaker 1>live in peace. We don't want to be aggressive. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go back to the sixty seven war, so

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about NAT and Yahoo, whether he should have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, dealt with the problem earlier where they kicked

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<v Speaker 1>it down the you know street with cutter but then

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<v Speaker 1>Humas they literally you know everything you say they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They have tunnels, they put them under houses, hospitals. What

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<v Speaker 1>are you supposed to do. In addition, someone wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>the Wall Street Journal I thought was good. As long

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<v Speaker 1>as one Commas person survives, they've won. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>you have to kill any but as long as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as they're in government. So the goal is to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of Israel. You can't say that, especially at this

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<v Speaker 1>point in time. Jerry seinfeldstead it on stage, big news, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>any other ethnic group, if you read the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more pro Palestinian. You're here right now, and I

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<v Speaker 1>ask you, and you say, oh, you're a pastor.

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<v Speaker 2>I got that. I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to answer the question, don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>go on record.

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<v Speaker 2>I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that I don't want to answer the question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that I'm not an expert. I'm not in that zeitgeist.

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<v Speaker 2>I would sound in you, but no.

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<v Speaker 1>In your particular case. The reason is interesting is you

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<v Speaker 1>led the special with being a Jew in a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fouder way. Okay, you've seen Foulder right, I know

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. You got to see. You love it

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<v Speaker 1>irrelevantive of the Jewish whatever, And most Jews, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>unless they're at summer camp or something. They're not leading

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that they're Jewish. Usually it becomes at

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<v Speaker 1>what point do you reveal that you're Jewish?

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<v Speaker 2>You're leading? Yeah with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so just leaving whatever is behind it. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>gigantic step for Judaism in America. You're saying, I'm owning

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<v Speaker 1>my identity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There's two rationale. One is it's fun. Like the

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<v Speaker 2>song's fun and in the spirit of mel Brooks, like

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<v Speaker 2>a funny song about being Jewish. So as a performer,

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<v Speaker 2>I go, this is really fun, and I really like

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<v Speaker 2>the moves and the nunchucks and the choreography, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>pictures going and the band is rocking, and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to be Jewish to sing along. There's a bouncing

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<v Speaker 2>mots of ball. But the reason I led with it,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I even kept it in Bob if I

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<v Speaker 2>have to really think about it, which is because when

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<v Speaker 2>I was torning it before Broadway, before Netflix, and I

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<v Speaker 2>could have cut it at any time. It's an easy cut.

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<v Speaker 2>It modular, pulls right out, don't need it. Is because

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like with all the noise, the bloodshed, the

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<v Speaker 2>politics Israel, Gaza, the words we hear all day long,

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<v Speaker 2>the clickbait. What's real? I thought, let me be a

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<v Speaker 2>positive Jewish presence in the world. I don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>pontificate about Israel. But what I can do is give

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish people a source of comfort, pride, and joy. And

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<v Speaker 2>people are always interrogating me. Jeff, you go on tour

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<v Speaker 2>with Dave Chappelle. He says some tough stuff about Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>and I go, well, I'm not going to reveal my

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<v Speaker 2>conversations with Dave, but I'll say my responsibility in the

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<v Speaker 2>world is to be a positive Jewish presence. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>calling myself a role model, but I'm saying I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be a good The best thing I can do

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<v Speaker 2>is be a friend to people who don't agree with

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<v Speaker 2>me and reminds them why Jews are good. And in

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<v Speaker 2>the song, if you recall, I pivot from my own

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<v Speaker 2>life to all the things that Jews have brought to

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<v Speaker 2>the world, all the great Jewish creations. I say in

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<v Speaker 2>the show, I wanted to follow in that great Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>tradition of creating things. Then the pictures start flashing Barbie dolls,

1:07:12.040 --> 1:07:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Teddy Bears, nuclear powered submarines, bagels, you know, all the

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<v Speaker 2>things that Jews invent and it goes on for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. To me, that's enough.

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<v Speaker 1>As a Jew, I'm watching it. Two things go through

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<v Speaker 1>my brain. My father used to say, I'm enough thinking

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<v Speaker 1>and talking at the same thing. You know, everybody hates

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews, and I have seen it on the most

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<v Speaker 1>subtle levels, Okay, and just casual thing. Somebody will talk

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<v Speaker 1>about somebody buying something and then they'll say, oh the price,

1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh you know he's Jewish. Okay, I've heard it, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>When you get really down to it. The other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Until October seventh, the Mosade had that rep don't fuck

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<v Speaker 1>with us. But staying on this same tip, are you saying,

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<v Speaker 1>are you frustrated because you believe the inclusion of that

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<v Speaker 1>and leading with that has hurt the spread of viewers.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's hurted. I think it may have limited.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's what I meant to say, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can't even But I could also go, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it also probably brought a lot of people to it.

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<v Speaker 2>When Jews are under this scrutiny or under this cloud

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<v Speaker 2>right now of anti Semitism, maybe they're finding the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of surprised that every Jewish person in the

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<v Speaker 2>fricking world hasn't watched this and okay and hosted about it,

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<v Speaker 2>let's stay. So there is some frustration there. And I

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<v Speaker 2>also haven't clipped that part and put it out there

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<v Speaker 2>on the internet because I didn't want it to to

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<v Speaker 2>be co opted by other groups. Okay, so I've been

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<v Speaker 2>careful about it. But let's talk about the special. Like

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<v Speaker 2>any other musical, right, you want people to have to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it to see it. It helps to talk about

1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:18.120
<v Speaker 2>it because when people get curious and they watch it,

1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:22.559
<v Speaker 2>that's how marketing works. So in my head, if this

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<v Speaker 2>was Avenue Q we were talking about, or Fiddler on

1:09:27.479 --> 1:09:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the Roof or Chicago or Cats, we would be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the songs and then you'd have to go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go see that. So I took that

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<v Speaker 2>Broadway tradition and going yeah, I'm not going to show

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<v Speaker 2>you a clip. I'm not going to play it live

1:09:45.840 --> 1:09:48.439
<v Speaker 2>on the radio. I want you to hear about it

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<v Speaker 2>and have to go see the show. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>worked because people came to see the show and now

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<v Speaker 2>it's on Netflix. But should every Jewish person be finding

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<v Speaker 2>some pride in this? Yes? Okay, but it's not Jewish

1:10:06.520 --> 1:10:10.599
<v Speaker 2>people stopping me in the Street. It's comedy fans, roast

1:10:10.680 --> 1:10:14.360
<v Speaker 2>fans that are responding to the show, and the Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>part is just part of my story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but just as Jews we would say it's very Jewish.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm gonna also talk about my Nazi German shepherds,

1:10:25.680 --> 1:10:28.160
<v Speaker 2>and I did a lot of good Jewish jokes in

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<v Speaker 2>my show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to change the focus a little bit. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say this was the seventies and you made this special,

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<v Speaker 1>and you made a deal. There was really only one outlet,

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<v Speaker 1>HBO or maybe early eighties. They bought it, they would promoted.

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<v Speaker 1>People would be aware of it, just like they were

1:10:45.920 --> 1:10:49.080
<v Speaker 1>aware of Robert Klein and George Carlin because there was

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<v Speaker 1>so little in the marketplace. And this is not only

1:10:54.040 --> 1:11:00.439
<v Speaker 1>comedy specials, etc. In today's multi furious world. You have

1:11:00.800 --> 1:11:04.960
<v Speaker 1>made this special, so on Netflix, that's the premiere proof

1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:09.360
<v Speaker 1>in a platform, how do you get the word out?

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<v Speaker 2>I did Joe Rogan, that's one group, just stay there

1:11:15.479 --> 1:11:17.800
<v Speaker 2>for a second. And then I did NPR Fresh Air.

1:11:18.200 --> 1:11:21.200
<v Speaker 2>That's a whole other group. Then I do Jimmy Kimmel,

1:11:21.360 --> 1:11:24.160
<v Speaker 2>that's a whole other group at late night. Then I

1:11:24.240 --> 1:11:33.880
<v Speaker 2>do other stuff the view, So to me. Everything's so

1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:37.240
<v Speaker 2>broken up that I can go to all these different.

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<v Speaker 1>Day in the music business. Yeah, only two things make

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<v Speaker 1>a difference. Yeah, CBS Sunday Morning Right and SNL SNL

1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:49.000
<v Speaker 1>primarily because it shows to get on that show, someone's

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<v Speaker 1>behind it, a focus, and it sends a signal to

1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:53.519
<v Speaker 1>everybody in the business, we're gonna get behind this. You

1:11:53.560 --> 1:11:56.880
<v Speaker 1>can be on any late night TV show. You'll get

1:11:56.880 --> 1:12:02.200
<v Speaker 1>a video. Will not move the needle at all. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you hit the top line. Could you feel that

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<v Speaker 1>it worked?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? How did you feel that? Because I walked down

1:12:10.960 --> 1:12:13.479
<v Speaker 2>the street and people go heard you on this, heard

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<v Speaker 2>you on that, love the show, watched half of it,

1:12:16.080 --> 1:12:18.520
<v Speaker 2>going to watch the other half of my girlfriend rewound

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<v Speaker 2>it love this part. You know, I'm I'm very accessible.

1:12:24.000 --> 1:12:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I read my Instagram comments. I like it, so I

1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:31.240
<v Speaker 2>know it works. Okay, and I know what it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all been trumped by the Kevin hartroast.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, okay, but now go online? To what degree

1:12:41.880 --> 1:12:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to Twitter, Instagram, TikTok moved the needle for you as

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<v Speaker 1>a comedian.

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<v Speaker 2>Not much, not much, because I'm not big on any

1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:51.840
<v Speaker 2>of those except Instagram. I'm not on Twitter. I'm not

1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:56.200
<v Speaker 2>on TikTok. I'm on Instagram because it's fun and I'm

1:12:56.280 --> 1:13:00.799
<v Speaker 2>better at that one. Okay, it's positive. Fifteen years on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>if I put something out, there's just trolls waiting to

1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:08.200
<v Speaker 2>go not funny, not as funny as this one. They

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<v Speaker 2>just want to fight with you and get attention.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll not get down. Fifteen years ago when everybody thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would move the needle on Twitter, were you trying

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<v Speaker 1>that too?

1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, I was very successful at with that. Okay.

1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Then Twitter eventually became a how I way before Musk

1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:31.479
<v Speaker 2>and all that. I stopped putting jokes on Twitter, maybe

1:13:31.680 --> 1:13:34.880
<v Speaker 2>almost ten years ago, eight nine years ago, because I

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<v Speaker 2>just decided it wasn't a good crowd. Oh you know

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<v Speaker 2>when I stopped. You'll love this when Gilbert Gottfrei had

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<v Speaker 2>got canceled for Twitter tweet.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good reason. Yeah, obviously these events have a

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<v Speaker 1>big effect on you'd like to slap listen. It became

1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:52.000
<v Speaker 1>an echo chamber. It was growing. Then it became the

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<v Speaker 1>same people.

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<v Speaker 2>Why play. I used to write, if you wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>funny drunk on Twitter, all the comedians would retweet you.

1:13:57.400 --> 1:13:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Right now, if you write a funny joke on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Trolls are telling you why it's not funny. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not a good crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I there's a nugget in there. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>address the nature of having a public profiles. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get hat I remember, like fifteen years ago Tina Fey

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<v Speaker 1>won some award and she called out a specific hater

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<v Speaker 1>from the stage. Okay, so it goes with the territory.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you metabolize it? Obviously bothers you.

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<v Speaker 2>I go back to my philosophy of what Bob Saget,

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<v Speaker 2>my good buddy, taught me, which was he would say

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do negative and I'd argue with him about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob would get like any other celebrity, he would occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>have trolls and haters and negative people on Twitter. And

1:14:48.000 --> 1:14:51.960
<v Speaker 2>when I got that, I would ignore them. He would

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<v Speaker 2>block them. I go, Bob, if you block them, they

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<v Speaker 2>know you saw it. Why wouldn't you just let them

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<v Speaker 2>float out to see unseen even if you saw it,

1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Why are you telling them you saw it? And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want people who say mean things to hear

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<v Speaker 2>me say funny things. He didn't want them on his page.

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<v Speaker 2>I've started blocking people out of respect for Bob's advice,

1:15:20.640 --> 1:15:22.360
<v Speaker 2>because because he would get a kick out of that.

1:15:22.479 --> 1:15:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sentimental that way. So now I go, oh, fuck

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<v Speaker 2>this person. I don't want them to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get in my head out of.

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<v Speaker 1>The person that you ultimately block whatever they said when

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<v Speaker 1>you see it, to what degree does that affect you?

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<v Speaker 2>Very little unless I know them? Yeah, okay, so very

1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:47.800
<v Speaker 2>little looking at you, because I can then put my

1:15:47.920 --> 1:15:53.160
<v Speaker 2>phone down, walk outside, and it's all Jeff high five,

1:15:53.479 --> 1:15:57.639
<v Speaker 2>saw your show, positive, positive, positive, positive, positive positive. Then

1:15:57.680 --> 1:15:59.280
<v Speaker 2>one out of a thousand is like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but all no, that's a good point. We all

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<v Speaker 1>know you focus on that one.

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<v Speaker 2>But whatever, right, So it's like when I'm on stage,

1:16:07.920 --> 1:16:10.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like we're all like this as comedians. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember doing a USO show once in Afghanistan, and

1:16:15.400 --> 1:16:18.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, you got eight hundred troops. There's two guys

1:16:18.320 --> 1:16:23.080
<v Speaker 2>in the front row, arms folded, not having any You

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<v Speaker 2>focus on the two. You can't help it. So I

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<v Speaker 2>start going in on them and trying to get them,

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<v Speaker 2>and it takes me twenty thirty minutes and they finally laugh.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I find out from the general afterwards that they

1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:36.760
<v Speaker 2>buried their buddy of the day before, and that they

1:16:36.800 --> 1:16:42.400
<v Speaker 2>were and that they were ordered to be there for

1:16:42.640 --> 1:16:45.559
<v Speaker 2>mental health reasons we all have. But it's also like

1:16:45.600 --> 1:16:47.800
<v Speaker 2>you always want to win over the one audience member

1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:50.280
<v Speaker 2>that's not having fun. They can't help it. You focus

1:16:50.360 --> 1:16:52.400
<v Speaker 2>on that. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the music business, the only way to really

1:16:56.600 --> 1:17:01.400
<v Speaker 1>get something started that doesn't have a profile is on TikTok.

1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:06.000
<v Speaker 1>The people were so you did Rogan, you did all

1:17:06.000 --> 1:17:10.080
<v Speaker 1>these other things you're doing the rows. Are there people

1:17:10.120 --> 1:17:13.439
<v Speaker 1>who just at this point in time just don't know

1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:16.120
<v Speaker 1>about it, whether they choose to watch it or not.

1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Are there people you haven't reached?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so, because well, it's like a two you know,

1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:30.800
<v Speaker 2>it's like Netflix Release is a special every Tuesday. So

1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:36.400
<v Speaker 2>you're competing with your own colleagues, your own platform. That

1:17:36.560 --> 1:17:43.280
<v Speaker 2>having been said, mine I believe has pushed through. They've

1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:47.400
<v Speaker 2>just invited me to my second for your consideration event.

1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I've never been a part of anything like that before, right,

1:17:51.720 --> 1:17:59.080
<v Speaker 2>So I go, oh, something's working, and I'm like, as

1:17:59.120 --> 1:18:03.679
<v Speaker 2>an artist, So then I go from comedian to artists,

1:18:03.720 --> 1:18:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I go, oh, maybe it's not a comedy special. Maybe

1:18:06.320 --> 1:18:09.040
<v Speaker 2>I wrote a play, and now it's on Netflix, and

1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to go.

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<v Speaker 1>You definitely did. That's why it's so great. Come on, Bob,

1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:18.439
<v Speaker 1>this one it's so great. I'm a you know, I'm

1:18:18.439 --> 1:18:22.679
<v Speaker 1>a harsh critic, so for me to be positive about something, well.

1:18:22.520 --> 1:18:25.160
<v Speaker 2>That's what has happened. You know. I'm walking through the

1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:27.720
<v Speaker 2>raid and freaking. A dozen of the smartest people I

1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:31.120
<v Speaker 2>know starts sending me this for Cock, the link to

1:18:31.240 --> 1:18:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Ross Special, and I'm like, oh god, what is this?

1:18:34.400 --> 1:18:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Finally a bad review? And I open it up and

1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:38.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like the best review I got. And I got

1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:41.679
<v Speaker 2>good reviews in the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times,

1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:47.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, And then suddenly you wrote this glowing review

1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:53.840
<v Speaker 2>in the in your letter, and I go, maybe this

1:18:54.200 --> 1:19:03.280
<v Speaker 2>isn't the number one show Afflicks, but it's having a

1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:08.479
<v Speaker 2>huge impact with the people watching it, like huge. Like

1:19:08.560 --> 1:19:13.639
<v Speaker 2>the mail I'm getting isn't about Jewishness, and it isn't

1:19:13.640 --> 1:19:23.599
<v Speaker 2>about comedy. It's about the the human experience loss and

1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:29.920
<v Speaker 2>resilience and my parents, losing my parents and how I

1:19:29.960 --> 1:19:33.000
<v Speaker 2>dealt with that as a young man. The takeaway that

1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:36.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm hearing about from fans the most is the concept

1:19:36.439 --> 1:19:39.680
<v Speaker 2>of human beings when they lose somebody were made to

1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:43.559
<v Speaker 2>mourn and move on. You can't mourn forever or a

1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:49.240
<v Speaker 2>part of you dies. That notion is something I wrote

1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:55.599
<v Speaker 2>as a young man. I wrote that down in high school,

1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:58.120
<v Speaker 2>and then I put it in Take a Banana for

1:19:58.160 --> 1:20:01.920
<v Speaker 2>the Ride in the nineties when I was workshopping as

1:20:01.960 --> 1:20:06.920
<v Speaker 2>a young comic. And then when Bob and Gilbert Godfreed

1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:10.479
<v Speaker 2>and Norm MacDonald died within eight months of each other

1:20:10.640 --> 1:20:13.160
<v Speaker 2>a few years ago, towards the end of the pandemic,

1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.519
<v Speaker 2>my manager suggested I go back and look at the

1:20:17.560 --> 1:20:19.880
<v Speaker 2>old show. And I've been thinking about it a little bit,

1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and people would always remind me of this old show.

1:20:23.479 --> 1:20:26.200
<v Speaker 2>And I went back and I looked at how I

1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:29.160
<v Speaker 2>dealt with mourning and grief back then, and I realized

1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:31.120
<v Speaker 2>I was still saying the same things that I was

1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:36.040
<v Speaker 2>saying thirty years earlier. So I go, whoof, Now I

1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:41.200
<v Speaker 2>could take my modern life and sew it into my

1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:48.040
<v Speaker 2>old life and make something that's entertaining. And I added

1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:51.360
<v Speaker 2>my dogs, and just as I was finishing the show,

1:20:52.640 --> 1:20:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I got cancer. So then I go, fuck, the show's

1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:58.400
<v Speaker 2>already too long. But I got to add this, so

1:20:58.479 --> 1:21:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I break down how I dealt with cancer. And that's

1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:05.120
<v Speaker 2>a word I never even said out loud in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I have to not just say it out

1:21:08.040 --> 1:21:10.800
<v Speaker 2>loud to the world. I have to make it funny

1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and positive, because nobody wants to see a negative show

1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:20.559
<v Speaker 2>about cancer. That is a show business death sentence. So

1:21:20.600 --> 1:21:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I had to make that funny. And because I took

1:21:24.200 --> 1:21:27.800
<v Speaker 2>some of the mystique and stigma out of a coonoscopy

1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:33.320
<v Speaker 2>and made it interesting and funny. I think the show's working.

1:21:34.360 --> 1:21:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I know it's working because I took those reviews and

1:21:38.439 --> 1:21:41.599
<v Speaker 2>said Tolix, Netflix was like, whatever, you do this. They

1:21:41.640 --> 1:21:45.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted the show in its infancy two years ago when

1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:48.439
<v Speaker 2>I was touring it and I said, I kind of

1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:50.160
<v Speaker 2>want to get it to Broadway. It's always been a

1:21:50.200 --> 1:21:53.719
<v Speaker 2>dream of mine to do a Jackie Mason Billy Crystal

1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:56.439
<v Speaker 2>style one person show on Broadway ever since I was

1:21:56.439 --> 1:22:00.160
<v Speaker 2>a kid. You know, when I was starting out was

1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:02.200
<v Speaker 2>a young man, my mom was sick. My dad would

1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:05.439
<v Speaker 2>take my sister and I to visit my mom. She

1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:08.400
<v Speaker 2>had leukemia, so she was living. She was in the

1:22:08.439 --> 1:22:12.120
<v Speaker 2>hospital far from our house. So after the you'll love this,

1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:16.840
<v Speaker 2>After the hospital visits. To cheer us up, he would

1:22:16.880 --> 1:22:19.640
<v Speaker 2>take us to the Carnegie Deli for a sandwich and

1:22:19.680 --> 1:22:23.000
<v Speaker 2>then to a Broadway show. Back then, all the Broadway

1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:28.640
<v Speaker 2>shows were about orphans. Annie Oliver, you know so, but

1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:33.000
<v Speaker 2>it made me go, oh, boy, that's a really special thing.

1:22:33.680 --> 1:22:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Like the theater. It's different than TV, where you go

1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:40.439
<v Speaker 2>to the bathroom during the commercial or you could change

1:22:40.479 --> 1:22:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the channel. In the theater, you're locked in, and if

1:22:44.040 --> 1:22:46.880
<v Speaker 2>the hair is standing up on your arms or the

1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:49.720
<v Speaker 2>back of your neck, chances are the person you don't know,

1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:54.840
<v Speaker 2>shoulder to shoulders having the same experience. And and there's

1:22:54.880 --> 1:23:06.519
<v Speaker 2>something really indescribable that you have to just experience the

1:23:06.640 --> 1:23:09.280
<v Speaker 2>live theaters. I go, boy, I really want to do

1:23:09.320 --> 1:23:12.960
<v Speaker 2>that someday. So I sent to Netflix. I'm not really

1:23:13.000 --> 1:23:16.439
<v Speaker 2>ready to make a deal. And then I got it

1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:20.920
<v Speaker 2>to Broadway and Robbie at Netflix said, whatever you do,

1:23:20.920 --> 1:23:26.080
<v Speaker 2>don't shoot it on Broadway. Doesn't help our numbers. If

1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it's from Broadway, or if you shoot it in a

1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:29.800
<v Speaker 2>theater in New Jersey doesn't matter.

1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:32.240
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot fucking more expensive.

1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:37.800
<v Speaker 2>It's three times the expense, all money I could keep.

1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:47.920
<v Speaker 2>But Beowulf Burd's set design and Stefanya did these incredible

1:23:47.960 --> 1:23:53.120
<v Speaker 2>projections that I'm up there and everyone said, Billy Crystal

1:23:53.160 --> 1:23:54.760
<v Speaker 2>gave me great advice. He said, you're going to be

1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:59.000
<v Speaker 2>on New kinda tired doing the show. But what happened

1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>was it invigorated me. I went up there every night

1:24:02.160 --> 1:24:05.559
<v Speaker 2>and Mattinees and I was like driving a Ferrari. I

1:24:05.600 --> 1:24:08.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, I have this incredible set and these two

1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:14.120
<v Speaker 2>virtuoso musicians up there with me, And every time I

1:24:14.160 --> 1:24:16.720
<v Speaker 2>got emotional different parts of the show, I look over

1:24:16.760 --> 1:24:19.160
<v Speaker 2>my shoulder and I stood the two musicians locked in

1:24:19.640 --> 1:24:23.800
<v Speaker 2>watching me, never bored. I realized, this is a team,

1:24:24.080 --> 1:24:28.080
<v Speaker 2>this is working. I want to keep doing this. And

1:24:28.160 --> 1:24:30.639
<v Speaker 2>I did a hal Mary with Netflix and I said,

1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:34.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, you see the reviews, and you saw how

1:24:34.360 --> 1:24:39.400
<v Speaker 2>the shows evolved. Let's just shoot it on Broadway, capture Broadway.

1:24:40.360 --> 1:24:43.200
<v Speaker 2>It'll be good. It'll be good. And they did. They

1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:45.040
<v Speaker 2>stepped up. I got to give them a lot of credit.

1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:47.200
<v Speaker 1>No notes, Okay, you played eight weeks.

1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:53.720
<v Speaker 2>I were seals. Ticket sales during those eight mediocre August August, September,

1:24:54.320 --> 1:25:00.840
<v Speaker 2>so who came. It's interesting in the summer. In the

1:25:00.920 --> 1:25:04.320
<v Speaker 2>very first preview, weeks. It was a lot of initially

1:25:04.400 --> 1:25:09.240
<v Speaker 2>roast fans. I saw a lot of father son, father

1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:17.160
<v Speaker 2>daughter because I was the word was getting around that

1:25:17.240 --> 1:25:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I was reading a letter that or maybe one of

1:25:21.000 --> 1:25:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the reviews mentioned it. I was reading a letter that

1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:29.080
<v Speaker 2>my dad wrote to me when I graduated high school.

1:25:29.400 --> 1:25:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Was the only letter he ever wrote me. And my

1:25:33.720 --> 1:25:37.439
<v Speaker 2>director was like, you don't need this. It's a tangent

1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:39.760
<v Speaker 2>after your dad dies in the story. Why are you

1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>bringing him back? I said, I know, but I think

1:25:42.720 --> 1:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>it might help people. Maybe it slows the show down

1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:49.679
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but maybe it's going to help people

1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:54.240
<v Speaker 2>communicate with their sons and daughters a little And I

1:25:54.280 --> 1:25:58.200
<v Speaker 2>feel like if the show is just about me and

1:25:58.280 --> 1:26:01.880
<v Speaker 2>my story, I get bored. But if it can help

1:26:01.960 --> 1:26:09.800
<v Speaker 2>people and give them some nuggets and some actionable items,

1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:14.360
<v Speaker 2>like write a letter. I even wanted to sell stationary

1:26:14.400 --> 1:26:19.000
<v Speaker 2>in the lobby. We didn't get that done, and I

1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:21.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted it to be where people could have these little

1:26:24.439 --> 1:26:31.559
<v Speaker 2>doggie bags of advice that they could take home. And

1:26:31.600 --> 1:26:35.080
<v Speaker 2>people would stop me afterwards, either when I was signing

1:26:35.080 --> 1:26:37.280
<v Speaker 2>playbills or if I would ran in them on the street,

1:26:37.960 --> 1:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>they would go, oh, you know, I always felt guilty.

1:26:40.360 --> 1:26:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't cry at my mom's funeral, and I always

1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>felt guilty and my sisters were mad at me over it.

1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:50.680
<v Speaker 2>But I saw your show and the guilt dissipated or

1:26:51.000 --> 1:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody took what they needed, even if it wasn't what

1:26:54.080 --> 1:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I meant for it. It helped them in some way.

1:26:57.520 --> 1:27:08.400
<v Speaker 2>It was like a The show is like a It's

1:27:08.439 --> 1:27:13.639
<v Speaker 2>like a wall where you play handball and you can

1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>smack anything you want against it and get what you

1:27:17.040 --> 1:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>need to get out of it. And I love that

1:27:20.680 --> 1:27:24.280
<v Speaker 2>By being vulnerable and telling my story and how I

1:27:24.400 --> 1:27:32.479
<v Speaker 2>dealt with loss and adversity, it helps other people reflect

1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:37.479
<v Speaker 2>on their own without feeling silly or self conscious. That's

1:27:37.520 --> 1:27:41.360
<v Speaker 2>the big win for me. Beyond ticket sales, beyond getting

1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>into Broadway was the dream. Getting it to Netflix is

1:27:44.720 --> 1:27:54.320
<v Speaker 2>way beyond the dream.

1:27:54.400 --> 1:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, people think they know who you are. Let's just

1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:03.879
<v Speaker 1>assume you're on the road and this shows in a suitcase.

1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:09.080
<v Speaker 1>You're not doing this show. The audience has expectations. I'll

1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>ask you two questions, What exactly are those expectations? And

1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to what degree are you boxed in by those?

1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Now? Going forward or going forward? I don't feel boxed in.

1:28:24.320 --> 1:28:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel boxed in. I feel like and I've

1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:32.479
<v Speaker 2>always done this. I always if something works, most people

1:28:32.520 --> 1:28:35.240
<v Speaker 2>do it again. That's how you make money. When I

1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:37.439
<v Speaker 2>find something that works, I go, oh no, let me

1:28:37.439 --> 1:28:40.600
<v Speaker 2>try something else. I don't do any of this with

1:28:40.760 --> 1:28:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a business sense.

1:28:41.600 --> 1:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I do this with I'm actually my question is a

1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>little bit different. I'll use my own self as example.

1:28:48.200 --> 1:28:51.719
<v Speaker 1>As supposed to. If I write something about the music business,

1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:56.679
<v Speaker 1>that's what the audience expects. If I write something about

1:28:56.800 --> 1:29:01.479
<v Speaker 1>my life, and I write it and it's so whatever,

1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:04.600
<v Speaker 1>But if I nail something left, get a bigger response

1:29:05.240 --> 1:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>than anything else. Okay, so you know what the audience is,

1:29:10.880 --> 1:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>you know where it is, and then it's an issue

1:29:13.000 --> 1:29:13.479
<v Speaker 1>of where.

1:29:13.320 --> 1:29:13.960
<v Speaker 2>You want to go.

1:29:14.520 --> 1:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little caught off guard because trying to think

1:29:20.080 --> 1:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>of the right way to articulate this. I don't think

1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>you know how big and important this show is. Yes,

1:29:30.360 --> 1:29:32.559
<v Speaker 1>you can. You can say it's on Netflix, X number

1:29:32.560 --> 1:29:36.519
<v Speaker 1>of people saw it, you know whatever, that's all good stuff.

1:29:37.800 --> 1:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Nobody else has done anything like this, And it was

1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>from the least expected guy. And he doesn't do a

1:29:44.320 --> 1:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>drive by. He keeps crashing the car into these topics.

1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>So if you're watching, there's a level you said it,

1:29:52.040 --> 1:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>there's a level of humanity you don't get. Yeah, you'll

1:29:55.960 --> 1:29:58.639
<v Speaker 1>get a story telling me. You know, even going back

1:29:58.680 --> 1:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>to the classics. Any young they'll tell a story, Oh

1:30:01.320 --> 1:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>that relates to my life whatever. This is far beyond this.

1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>If you go to Spalding Gray, who you know, did

1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>these monologues Swimming to Cambodia, et cetera. They were always stories,

1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>but it was kind of like a movie, kind of reaching,

1:30:16.200 --> 1:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>keeping you intrigued. He would insert himself. This is flipped.

1:30:20.520 --> 1:30:25.639
<v Speaker 1>It's you first, the story a second and a It's

1:30:25.720 --> 1:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>not who the audience expects it to be. As I say,

1:30:32.640 --> 1:30:34.759
<v Speaker 1>this is a very important work.

1:30:35.160 --> 1:30:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>And when you talk about comedian and artistry, that's why

1:30:41.040 --> 1:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>it resonates. Anybody can be a comedian. I'm not saying

1:30:45.040 --> 1:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>be good, but the doors are open. Okay, there's a

1:30:48.960 --> 1:30:53.439
<v Speaker 1>well established path being an artist. That's something different. You

1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>can look at the varying comedians. There are people do it.

1:30:55.360 --> 1:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're phenomenal comedians. Okay, So if you want

1:30:58.920 --> 1:31:01.679
<v Speaker 1>to be an insult comic, you know there's Don Rickles.

1:31:01.720 --> 1:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I think you know you say Okay, there's a there's

1:31:03.320 --> 1:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>a lane there. Wherever you were there was no lane.

1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>And in addition, you're the least likely person to do it.

1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>You're known as an insult comic. So I understand you're

1:31:15.880 --> 1:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>to you.

1:31:16.240 --> 1:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>I am and to the public. But for me it

1:31:20.479 --> 1:31:26.800
<v Speaker 2>was always on the on the to do list because

1:31:28.360 --> 1:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>I did a version of this show after my grandfather

1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:35.400
<v Speaker 2>died in the mid and late nineties. I did this

1:31:35.520 --> 1:31:40.320
<v Speaker 2>show and I didn't have the emotional fortitude to keep

1:31:40.360 --> 1:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>doing it. I even made some kind of development deal

1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:48.559
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and take a Banana for the ride

1:31:48.960 --> 1:31:53.480
<v Speaker 2>was a small thing from a young guy about his grandfather.

1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>It was one hour about me and my grandfather. You

1:31:59.320 --> 1:32:01.439
<v Speaker 2>could see it as like a Sanford and Son kind

1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:05.719
<v Speaker 2>of sitcom. That's what the show was. It was about

1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:11.479
<v Speaker 2>him living with me in the house. I grew up

1:32:11.520 --> 1:32:17.280
<v Speaker 2>into New Jersey and us both being single guys, him

1:32:17.360 --> 1:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>dating women from the Senior Center and me. It was cute,

1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:26.600
<v Speaker 2>but it was very intense the way this show the

1:32:26.680 --> 1:32:32.360
<v Speaker 2>new show is. But I was leaving the readings the

1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:37.080
<v Speaker 2>workshops in a bad mood. I didn't know why My

1:32:37.160 --> 1:32:39.840
<v Speaker 2>buddy Mark, who's in your green room, was directing and

1:32:39.880 --> 1:32:45.120
<v Speaker 2>helping me with it, and I put it away and

1:32:45.200 --> 1:32:47.760
<v Speaker 2>the Roast came along right about that time, and it

1:32:47.800 --> 1:32:50.080
<v Speaker 2>was way more fun to make fun of celebrities and

1:32:50.120 --> 1:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>put on a tuxedo and write special material that wasn't

1:32:54.120 --> 1:33:03.040
<v Speaker 2>emotional but was. I found my lane. But I always

1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:06.599
<v Speaker 2>knew that it was in me. Every now and then

1:33:06.760 --> 1:33:09.280
<v Speaker 2>somebody would stop me and go, whatever happened to that

1:33:09.320 --> 1:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>show about your grandfather? You know, only a thousand people

1:33:13.280 --> 1:33:17.240
<v Speaker 2>saw it, maybe in the nineties, at little workshops and

1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:22.040
<v Speaker 2>comedy festivals, So I always knew. You know, I'm to you,

1:33:22.080 --> 1:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm the last person you'd expect. But for me, it

1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>was always like, I need to get back to who

1:33:27.000 --> 1:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I am, the son of a caterer in Newark, New Jersey,

1:33:30.240 --> 1:33:34.400
<v Speaker 2>who lost his parents too young, and how I dealt

1:33:34.400 --> 1:33:36.280
<v Speaker 2>with it, and how I became the rabbi to my

1:33:36.400 --> 1:33:39.439
<v Speaker 2>friends when they lost their loved ones. They'd all come

1:33:39.439 --> 1:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>to me for advice.

1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>That was not in the special. No, what I'm interested

1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:48.519
<v Speaker 1>in is your viewpoint on all the shit we talked.

1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I could do five shows on the same theme.

1:33:51.160 --> 1:33:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I know so much.

1:33:53.400 --> 1:33:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've mentioned a number of times you're just living

1:33:56.320 --> 1:33:58.760
<v Speaker 1>your life. People come up to you a lot of

1:33:58.800 --> 1:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the time they come, oh, Jeff, I love your work,

1:34:01.040 --> 1:34:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and we take a picture. But of the thousands of

1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:09.200
<v Speaker 1>people come up, some are just like hysterical experiences, or

1:34:09.240 --> 1:34:11.720
<v Speaker 1>else somebody tells you, like a heartbreaking story they saw

1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:16.639
<v Speaker 1>the special. That's what interests me. How Jeff the person

1:34:17.920 --> 1:34:21.080
<v Speaker 1>interacts in his life as opposed to Jeff thinking up

1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:24.680
<v Speaker 1>jokes to tell some fucking roast. It's like kind of

1:34:24.680 --> 1:34:28.560
<v Speaker 1>like Steve Martin. I want It's not a completely perfect example,

1:34:29.160 --> 1:34:33.679
<v Speaker 1>but you know, he was very famous playing arena shows

1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and he said, I just can't do it anymore. It's

1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:37.800
<v Speaker 1>not what I want to do. So if I think

1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:41.439
<v Speaker 1>a wild and crazy guy not as good as the

1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:45.639
<v Speaker 1>movie Rocks inne you know, which is a heartfelt movie.

1:34:45.680 --> 1:34:49.479
<v Speaker 1>It touched people, so you have an opportunity. It's kind

1:34:49.479 --> 1:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>of like Chappelle. If you watch Chappelle, you say, on

1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:56.479
<v Speaker 1>the surface, this is just not that hard to do.

1:34:57.280 --> 1:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>He tells a very long story slowly he builds to

1:35:01.240 --> 1:35:04.560
<v Speaker 1>a punchline, but the punchline is not like the funniest

1:35:04.560 --> 1:35:07.160
<v Speaker 1>thing you've never heard. And he's the biggest comedian in

1:35:07.200 --> 1:35:11.519
<v Speaker 1>the world. He is doing something okay, and as I say,

1:35:11.560 --> 1:35:13.639
<v Speaker 1>he's the biggest, which is kind of funny because he's

1:35:13.640 --> 1:35:17.760
<v Speaker 1>not doing it like everybody else. Everybody else is basically

1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:20.760
<v Speaker 1>telling jokes. So I didn't know you had this.

1:35:21.000 --> 1:35:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know yet.

1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:24.320
<v Speaker 1>You know it could be that person. So for me,

1:35:24.760 --> 1:35:27.800
<v Speaker 1>if you do a stand up special, we're you know, insulting.

1:35:27.840 --> 1:35:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Don't watch it. How often do I? You know, I

1:35:33.120 --> 1:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>write about something. It's very different when I insist on

1:35:38.800 --> 1:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the people in my life they have to watch it.

1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I've written it. They're all aware of what I wrote.

1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:45.360
<v Speaker 1>My sister called me the other day, he said, if

1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:48.519
<v Speaker 1>you watch this okay, because Bill Maher did a big

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<v Speaker 1>thing on Israel. I said, oh, you gotta watch this, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I know my sister love it. I just got to

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<v Speaker 1>push him because it's gonna touch something in them. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's extremely honest. I could tell here you're you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in show business. You don't want to drive the

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<v Speaker 1>car off the road, especially when it's not important, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you're in control on the show, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do that. And it's the sensibility that's interesting. Let's shift

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<v Speaker 1>hears a little bit how did you even become an

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<v Speaker 1>insult comic?

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<v Speaker 2>H in the mid late nineties. Well, I'm from Jersey, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so talking smack busting balls is kind of how you talk.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not wait, you're not gonna forget where you were,

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<v Speaker 1>But I have a question I can ask earlier. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna ask her different difference between East Coast and West Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of differences. I want to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>this one. You meet somebody in the East Coast once

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<v Speaker 1>and they said we.

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<v Speaker 2>Should hang out, and they'll track you.

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<v Speaker 1>Down and you'll hang out. You meet somebody in LA

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<v Speaker 1>and Native Angelinos, okay, not transplants, say oh yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>had a good time, Yeah we should hang out.

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<v Speaker 2>Never hear from right.

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<v Speaker 1>La show business, but it's not even show Civilians is

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<v Speaker 1>a friend. So have you noticed that too? Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>go back. So your talks back in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>But you said, how did I become an insult comic?

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<v Speaker 2>It's in my DNA. I didn't know I was funny

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<v Speaker 2>growing up in New Jersey. Everybody was funny. My whole

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<v Speaker 2>family was funny. My uncle and my sister, they're all

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<v Speaker 2>funnier than me. It's the only time I went to

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<v Speaker 2>Boston University Film School. I realized none of these people

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<v Speaker 2>are funny. Oh oh, now I kind of see it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wasn't thinking about comedy until a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years after that, my buddy Mark, But when.

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<v Speaker 1>You were still in college, you mean a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years after that, or after a couple of years after

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<v Speaker 1>just just to stay in.

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<v Speaker 2>This because you know your own story.

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<v Speaker 1>You were in college, what was the plan after you graduated?

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<v Speaker 2>I started a video production company, okay, and the dream

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<v Speaker 2>was to make industrial films, training films. How am I?

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<v Speaker 2>But the dream was to have my my own business

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<v Speaker 2>with a college buddy. He was more of a director.

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<v Speaker 2>I was more of a writer. We were going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to make training films and do our own how

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<v Speaker 2>to invest films in different little marketing videos. We just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to have our own little company in New York City,

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<v Speaker 2>and his fiance's father gave us some free office space

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<v Speaker 2>and we just started hustling. My heart wasn't in it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a tough time in New York in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty nine. The stock market. It was a tough time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was living with my grandfather who was sick.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents were gone, My sister was away at school.

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<v Speaker 2>Was basically this chubby loser living in New Jersey with

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<v Speaker 2>my grandfather and my buddy. Mark said, I think you

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<v Speaker 2>should take the stand up comedy class he was taking,

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<v Speaker 2>taught by Lee Frank, who was a comic at the

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<v Speaker 2>improv in Hell's Kitchen, and he's like, maybe you'll, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you'll meet a chick there, maybe you'll learn something

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<v Speaker 2>about yourself. It'll be fun. And it's right near Port Authority.

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<v Speaker 2>It's across the street from Port Authority, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>go to your video production business on thirty fourth Street

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<v Speaker 2>by eight o'clock, make it to the class, and then

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<v Speaker 2>catch the bus from Port Authority back to your house

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<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey to your GRadha. It was fun. One

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<v Speaker 2>or two classes in I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so fun. First assignment was to learn another

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<v Speaker 2>comedian's routine and do it for the class. So I

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<v Speaker 2>went to the library. This is before the Internet. I

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<v Speaker 2>went to the library. I took out Lenny Bruce live

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<v Speaker 2>at Carnegie Hall. I didn't know anything about him. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>said he was the best. I listened to it. It

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<v Speaker 2>was boring. I didn't really understand it, but I learned

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<v Speaker 2>the routine, and I did it for the class and

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of dry. And the next assignment was

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<v Speaker 2>tell a real story from your life that's not funny

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<v Speaker 2>but interesting. So I told a story about my parents

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<v Speaker 2>working in the catering hall in New Jersey, and I

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<v Speaker 2>started just saying the real names. Cold Duck Eddie Green

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<v Speaker 2>was a potwasher, and we went on strike one Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>and my dad had to climb on the roof to

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<v Speaker 2>fix the air conditioner, and everybody was laughing. The assignment

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<v Speaker 2>was to not tell a funny story, to tell a

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<v Speaker 2>serious story, but everybody was laughing, and I go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm just naturally funny or interesting or something. We

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<v Speaker 2>tapped into something that the class responded to. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we went to an open mic at ye Old Triple

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<v Speaker 2>In across from the Old Studio fifty four, and I

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<v Speaker 2>followed a juggler. I was nervous that a shot at tequila,

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<v Speaker 2>and I started telling these catering stories and whatever I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing pieced together three minutes five minutes. Jokes didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really work. But there were some Navy guys there on fleetweek,

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<v Speaker 2>and I started making fun of the mustard stain on

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<v Speaker 2>some guy's uniform, white uniform. A couple of girls laughed

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<v Speaker 2>afterwards told me how funny that was, and I was like, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of interesting. I have no social life

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<v Speaker 2>at all. Suddenly suddenly these people are talking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, all right, this, this is cool,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is a hobby, but it might be

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<v Speaker 2>more than a hobby. It might be a community. I

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<v Speaker 2>was lonely, broke, and I was doing that for a

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<v Speaker 2>while and I started to get some steam opening for people.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister was in college. She got hit by a

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<v Speaker 2>car a drunk driver collected some money, so she bought

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<v Speaker 2>me a early computer to write on and a Jeep,

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<v Speaker 2>a car that I could drive to gigs. So I

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<v Speaker 2>could live in New Jersey with my father, drive into

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<v Speaker 2>the city, pick up Chappelle or j Moore or one

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<v Speaker 2>of these guys, and drive them to a college in

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<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania and make three hundred dollars. So I was now

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<v Speaker 2>like an opening act. I could piece together twenty minutes

1:42:17.160 --> 1:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>to open for people. It was going okay, but I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get on TV. It wasn't really hitting, but I

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<v Speaker 2>really liked it. And I wasn't good, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>better than the other open micers. And I was performing

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<v Speaker 2>at a golf tournament in New Jersey for the Friars Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Fitzsimmons, who is a buddy of mine, In honor

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<v Speaker 2>of his dad, Bob Fitzimmons, who was a broadcaster who

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<v Speaker 2>had passed away, they had a memorial golf tournament fundraiser.

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<v Speaker 2>Greg asked me to do it. Freddie Roman sorted giving

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<v Speaker 2>me this dismissive, kind of mean intro. So I went

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<v Speaker 2>up and made fun of him, and all the Friars

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<v Speaker 2>saw that I did that, and I just did it

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<v Speaker 2>naturally because I've been working shitholes, so I knew how

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<v Speaker 2>to stay afloat. I've been working firehouses and dive bars,

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<v Speaker 2>so I knew how to like stay in the fight.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think much of it, you know. Then about

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<v Speaker 2>a month later, I get a call from Jean Pierre Trebeau,

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<v Speaker 2>the executive director of the New York Friars Club. We

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<v Speaker 2>saw you at the golf tournament. I think this was

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<v Speaker 2>like ninety six or something. Ninety seven. The year before,

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<v Speaker 2>there was some outrage with Whoopy Goldberg and Ted Danson

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<v Speaker 2>at the Friar's Roast. I remember they did something over

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<v Speaker 2>the top and provocative and now like big stars were

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<v Speaker 2>not really showing up for the roast.

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<v Speaker 1>Ted Danson was in blackface.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, which is crazy because Whoopee was on the Rose

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<v Speaker 2>on the v yesterday saying she doesn't like roast, that's why,

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<v Speaker 2>and even though it was her boyfriend who did it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I get it. Montell, Jordan Montell Williams, Montell Williams,

1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:14.439
<v Speaker 2>the talk show host stormed out as on the cover

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<v Speaker 2>of every newspaper. So now here it is a year later.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't get big stars, so they're gonna try some

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<v Speaker 2>new young comics. A couple of writers from SNL and

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<v Speaker 2>I get the call through the Friar's Roast. Huh. At

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<v Speaker 2>this point, I'm now in the all the comedy scene,

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<v Speaker 2>downtown workshopping stories about my grandfather almost giving up on

1:44:37.080 --> 1:44:42.920
<v Speaker 2>regular stand up. But hmm, well, who's going to be there,

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<v Speaker 2>Milton Burrough, Henny Youngman, Buddy Hackett. I'm in, but we're

1:44:50.000 --> 1:44:52.880
<v Speaker 2>roasting Steven Segal. I'm like, I don't know him, I

1:44:52.880 --> 1:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know anything about him, but I want to be

1:44:55.680 --> 1:45:01.160
<v Speaker 2>on a show with those guys, those comics. Of course,

1:45:01.240 --> 1:45:03.479
<v Speaker 2>my buddy's Downtown or all making fun of me. Why

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<v Speaker 2>would you go these guys are not cool names like

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<v Speaker 2>they are now, it's not historic, they're just has bits.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, I'm honoring my parents. They love those guys.

1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Buddy Hackett, they love those guys. So I go, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me go to the Museum of Broadcasting. I pull

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<v Speaker 2>up a bunch of the Dean Martin Roast and old

1:45:24.120 --> 1:45:26.040
<v Speaker 2>roast that I could find at the museum, and I

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<v Speaker 2>see how they do it and what they're doing. I

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<v Speaker 2>go hmm. So I start writing little funny things, and

1:45:35.520 --> 1:45:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I have way too much, but I'm pretty into it.

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<v Speaker 2>The roast comes along. Milton Burro's the roastmaster host. It's

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<v Speaker 2>at the Hilton Hotel. It's like fifteen hundred people for lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't fit one more body in this room, biggest audience

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<v Speaker 2>I'd ever had. I'm wearing the one good suit that

1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I had left over from a wedding, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>Howard Stearn's in the balcony and the police commissioners there,

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<v Speaker 2>and suddenly I'm on a show that's not all comics.

1:46:12.160 --> 1:46:19.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like there's boxers and promoters and politicians and singers

1:46:19.160 --> 1:46:22.160
<v Speaker 2>and Broadway people. And like, wow, this is like show business,

1:46:22.200 --> 1:46:26.960
<v Speaker 2>not just comedy club business, but show business. Steven Seagal

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<v Speaker 2>is literally wearing like a black silk karate gee, like

1:46:32.800 --> 1:46:38.200
<v Speaker 2>he's promoting under siege to Milton Burle, brings me up

1:46:38.280 --> 1:46:44.240
<v Speaker 2>late in the lineup. Never met him, dismissive, terrible intro.

1:46:44.360 --> 1:46:47.400
<v Speaker 2>He just came back from Las Vegas, where he performed

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<v Speaker 2>for a convention of lesbians with dildo rash. Jeff Ross

1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:59.040
<v Speaker 2>reads it off a card. I walk up there and

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<v Speaker 2>I take my time, I remember it well. I look

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<v Speaker 2>at Steven Singal, I say, I realize a lot of

1:47:09.680 --> 1:47:12.360
<v Speaker 2>you don't know me, but I feel uniquely qualified to

1:47:12.439 --> 1:47:20.680
<v Speaker 2>be here today because I'm also a shitty actor. Segall's confused,

1:47:21.120 --> 1:47:25.960
<v Speaker 2>but the guys are dying. It's like it's like Bucky

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<v Speaker 2>Den hitting a Homer in the bottom of the ninth,

1:47:29.000 --> 1:47:34.599
<v Speaker 2>like the least guy you expect to kill. I killed.

1:47:35.720 --> 1:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Not every joke, some jokes wouldn't work. But Milt Milton

1:47:42.160 --> 1:47:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Burrell is sitting next to me. He pokes me in

1:47:47.920 --> 1:47:53.080
<v Speaker 2>the kishkus and I jump a little bit, and then

1:47:53.080 --> 1:47:55.200
<v Speaker 2>every time I get a big laugh and there's applause,

1:47:55.320 --> 1:47:57.360
<v Speaker 2>he hits me again. No, one can see it. He's

1:47:57.400 --> 1:48:01.400
<v Speaker 2>doing it under the table. The only person ever did

1:48:01.439 --> 1:48:04.559
<v Speaker 2>that to me was my Canter during my hoftura to

1:48:04.600 --> 1:48:07.240
<v Speaker 2>make me less nervous. So I figured that's what he's doing.

1:48:08.439 --> 1:48:10.760
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not. I'm in it now. I'm in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like finally, after like the third or fourth time, I'm like,

1:48:16.920 --> 1:48:20.559
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? And he literally interrupts me, starts

1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:26.200
<v Speaker 2>heckling me Milton, and we're going back and forth. But

1:48:26.320 --> 1:48:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm winning, you know, Milton Burrow. I saw Milton Burrole.

1:48:31.120 --> 1:48:34.519
<v Speaker 2>I saw Uncle Milty today downtown at an antique shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight hundred bucks. I'm riffing and I'm trying to stay

1:48:41.720 --> 1:48:45.799
<v Speaker 2>in it. Buddy Hackett, who I don't know, is twenty

1:48:46.040 --> 1:48:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Back then the Friars would have like airplane wings, long

1:48:49.600 --> 1:48:54.559
<v Speaker 2>days of every celebrity that came, every notable person, and

1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:58.960
<v Speaker 2>without a microphone, Buddy just belts out to the whole room, Milton,

1:48:59.040 --> 1:49:02.360
<v Speaker 2>let the kid work, haha, remember when you used to

1:49:03.479 --> 1:49:07.160
<v Speaker 2>place of RUPs Again, Milton runs down the dais kiss

1:49:07.200 --> 1:49:08.920
<v Speaker 2>his buddy on the lips and they have like a

1:49:08.960 --> 1:49:12.519
<v Speaker 2>funny moment place of reps. Now I'm there at the podium.

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<v Speaker 2>Still no one knows me. No one knows who I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I go give it up for Uncle Milney and Buddy Hackett.

1:49:19.160 --> 1:49:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Between the two of them, they have over one hundred

1:49:21.120 --> 1:49:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and ten years of homosexual experience. Just nonsense, another laugh.

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<v Speaker 2>I get through my thing and I can tell I've

1:49:31.800 --> 1:49:38.799
<v Speaker 2>just surprised people, surprised myself. But most importantly, I found

1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:42.360
<v Speaker 2>my Yankee stadium. I found my lane. I could feel

1:49:43.120 --> 1:49:47.920
<v Speaker 2>that something happened. Think you know, I'm back at the

1:49:47.960 --> 1:49:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Friars Club. Afterwards, they have like a reception and there's

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<v Speaker 2>two rooms, Milton's in one and Buddies in another. They're

1:49:53.320 --> 1:49:58.960
<v Speaker 2>holding court. So I go to Buddy's room first, you know,

1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>mister he's telling me how good I did. Mister Hackett,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you. Why do you think? Why do

1:50:04.880 --> 1:50:06.760
<v Speaker 2>you think Milton Burle would have been poking me under

1:50:06.760 --> 1:50:09.720
<v Speaker 2>the table. He gets jealous. He don't like when other

1:50:09.800 --> 1:50:16.479
<v Speaker 2>people get the last. So then I take that in

1:50:18.120 --> 1:50:21.559
<v Speaker 2>and I go see Burrow. Both of these guys would

1:50:21.640 --> 1:50:24.800
<v Speaker 2>later become very good friends of mine. But this is

1:50:24.840 --> 1:50:30.960
<v Speaker 2>my meeting them, Uncle Milty, mister Burrow. Whatever I was saying,

1:50:34.560 --> 1:50:36.080
<v Speaker 2>and I don't even know if I got the question

1:50:36.160 --> 1:50:39.240
<v Speaker 2>out about why he was doing that. But I might

1:50:39.240 --> 1:50:43.080
<v Speaker 2>have said something like any advice and I'll never forget this,

1:50:43.200 --> 1:50:45.280
<v Speaker 2>and I use this in my writer's rooms all the time.

1:50:45.320 --> 1:50:51.559
<v Speaker 2>He said, kid, they only remember the home runs. So

1:50:51.640 --> 1:50:54.799
<v Speaker 2>I took that as I was doing too many jokes,

1:50:55.040 --> 1:50:57.400
<v Speaker 2>staying on too long. I wasn't on a long time,

1:50:58.760 --> 1:51:01.240
<v Speaker 2>but for whatever reason, and he said that they only

1:51:01.320 --> 1:51:06.000
<v Speaker 2>remember the home runs. Now I only tell home runs.

1:51:07.200 --> 1:51:09.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't waste my time. I don't say every joke

1:51:09.760 --> 1:51:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I think. I stay quiet until I have it. And

1:51:16.560 --> 1:51:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Milton went on to become a mentor, and Buddy went

1:51:18.920 --> 1:51:22.240
<v Speaker 2>on to become a brother. And that's how I became

1:51:22.280 --> 1:51:23.160
<v Speaker 2>an insult comic.

1:51:24.400 --> 1:51:25.320
<v Speaker 1>You kill that knighte?

1:51:25.360 --> 1:51:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Then what? Oh? Then the next year they're going to

1:51:28.920 --> 1:51:31.759
<v Speaker 2>roast Kelsey Grammar.

1:51:32.800 --> 1:51:35.000
<v Speaker 1>What happens in your life in the intervening year?

1:51:35.200 --> 1:51:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, no, I can't wait a year for the

1:51:38.880 --> 1:51:44.200
<v Speaker 2>next rows. Now I joined the Friars Club. I become

1:51:45.320 --> 1:51:49.280
<v Speaker 2>an ambassador of new members, bringing in younger members. They're

1:51:49.320 --> 1:51:52.439
<v Speaker 2>treating me like they're basically giving me the keys to

1:51:52.479 --> 1:51:57.720
<v Speaker 2>the castle. Over a couple of years, where it reinvigorated

1:51:57.760 --> 1:52:02.840
<v Speaker 2>me as a comic. I leave the one man's show,

1:52:02.960 --> 1:52:05.599
<v Speaker 2>the Grandfather's Stories, Take a banana for the r I

1:52:05.680 --> 1:52:12.479
<v Speaker 2>leave it all behind. Roasting people is a thousand times

1:52:12.520 --> 1:52:17.879
<v Speaker 2>more fun and less emotional and celebrities and dressing and

1:52:18.080 --> 1:52:25.040
<v Speaker 2>all of it like it's even though it's essentially dirty comedy.

1:52:25.680 --> 1:52:29.599
<v Speaker 2>There was some pushback, like the older guys, they don't

1:52:29.640 --> 1:52:33.400
<v Speaker 2>always you know. I wound up talking the Friars Club

1:52:33.439 --> 1:52:37.439
<v Speaker 2>in Comedy Central into doing these on television the Old Guard.

1:52:38.439 --> 1:52:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I eventually get elected to the board of the Friars Club.

1:52:41.000 --> 1:52:44.080
<v Speaker 2>As a young man, Alan King and I would butt

1:52:44.120 --> 1:52:49.040
<v Speaker 2>heads because he didn't want the Rost on TV. I said,

1:52:49.040 --> 1:52:52.240
<v Speaker 2>not only should they be on TV, but you and

1:52:52.320 --> 1:52:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Steve Stewie Stone and Freddie Room and I'm gonna get

1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:58.600
<v Speaker 2>all you guys on the and I did it, and

1:52:58.640 --> 1:53:01.360
<v Speaker 2>then they embraced me when they realized it was good

1:53:01.400 --> 1:53:14.519
<v Speaker 2>for them, and we got it to TV and the

1:53:14.560 --> 1:53:17.840
<v Speaker 2>climax of that was nine to eleven Hugh Hefner roast.

1:53:19.080 --> 1:53:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm a producer. I'm not the producer, but I'm

1:53:22.439 --> 1:53:26.160
<v Speaker 2>a producer. I make sure everybody had good material. I

1:53:26.280 --> 1:53:29.720
<v Speaker 2>was like writing for everybody there then then in the

1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:31.840
<v Speaker 2>last two days I'd write my own thing real quick,

1:53:34.000 --> 1:53:41.840
<v Speaker 2>and we had to postponeent. Obviously. Hugh Hefner literally is

1:53:41.880 --> 1:53:45.640
<v Speaker 2>the reason the terrorists hate us. So I have to

1:53:45.640 --> 1:53:48.479
<v Speaker 2>write a letter to the Friars Club, to Comedy Central,

1:53:49.560 --> 1:53:53.479
<v Speaker 2>to mister Hefner and saying, we have to go on

1:53:53.560 --> 1:53:57.160
<v Speaker 2>with the show, have to Let's not have an after party,

1:53:57.240 --> 1:54:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Let's put the money towards the Twin Towers Fund and

1:54:01.720 --> 1:54:07.000
<v Speaker 2>do it in three weeks. The hotel wasn't giving us

1:54:07.000 --> 1:54:14.840
<v Speaker 2>our deposit back, No comedy was happening. SNL hadn't happened yet.

1:54:16.240 --> 1:54:19.320
<v Speaker 2>And we did it. We did it. We did Hugh

1:54:19.400 --> 1:54:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Hefner Roast. The ashes were still smoldering downtown. Jimmy Kimmel

1:54:25.720 --> 1:54:30.559
<v Speaker 2>hosted it. Hugh Heffner came out. It was wonderful. It

1:54:30.600 --> 1:54:32.960
<v Speaker 2>really showed me how comedy can make a difference and

1:54:33.040 --> 1:54:35.920
<v Speaker 2>heal people. People needed to laugh. I'll need it a

1:54:35.960 --> 1:54:38.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit of levity. If we don't laugh, we cry.

1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:41.760
<v Speaker 2>And I know that sounds cliche, but it's really true.

1:54:44.520 --> 1:54:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, after you kill the first time, it's a Friar's god,

1:54:49.120 --> 1:54:53.280
<v Speaker 1>not the golf thing, but in the city, how much

1:54:53.320 --> 1:54:57.160
<v Speaker 1>you before the next year's roast how much you working

1:54:57.360 --> 1:54:59.880
<v Speaker 1>gigs and what is the content of those gigs?

1:55:00.000 --> 1:55:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Probably I always worked the crowd. I always

1:55:03.920 --> 1:55:06.520
<v Speaker 2>had a little bit of that element because I would

1:55:06.560 --> 1:55:09.280
<v Speaker 2>host a lot. I was always a good MC. So

1:55:09.320 --> 1:55:12.200
<v Speaker 2>when you're m seeing, it's where you're from, who you're with.

1:55:12.920 --> 1:55:16.960
<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of step one of roasting, right, you're

1:55:17.000 --> 1:55:20.680
<v Speaker 2>talking to the people. I always liked that part of mceing,

1:55:22.200 --> 1:55:26.080
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think it. It wasn't a nothing. My

1:55:26.200 --> 1:55:29.600
<v Speaker 2>act was my act. I was still talking about my

1:55:29.680 --> 1:55:33.040
<v Speaker 2>own experiences. It probably made me a more confident comic,

1:55:33.160 --> 1:55:35.520
<v Speaker 2>but it took a long time till I had the

1:55:35.640 --> 1:55:40.120
<v Speaker 2>roast reputation and then my expectations of the audience to

1:55:40.160 --> 1:55:43.000
<v Speaker 2>see me roast people, that took longer.

1:55:43.760 --> 1:55:46.280
<v Speaker 1>At what point were you making a living from comedy?

1:55:46.600 --> 1:55:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Pretty quick? Even before that, within a couple of years,

1:55:50.480 --> 1:55:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I was banging out five six hundred a week just

1:55:54.000 --> 1:55:54.520
<v Speaker 2>to get.

1:55:54.320 --> 1:55:57.320
<v Speaker 1>By it okay? And if I talked to Jeff Ross

1:55:57.320 --> 1:56:00.400
<v Speaker 1>at that point and I asked him, you know what's

1:56:00.440 --> 1:56:01.120
<v Speaker 1>going to happen here?

1:56:01.200 --> 1:56:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Jeff?

1:56:01.480 --> 1:56:03.880
<v Speaker 1>You're making a living, but where you're going you would

1:56:03.880 --> 1:56:04.520
<v Speaker 1>have said.

1:56:05.240 --> 1:56:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'll be a writer. So I'll get a

1:56:07.080 --> 1:56:10.520
<v Speaker 2>writing job. I'm going to stay in New York. The

1:56:10.520 --> 1:56:12.120
<v Speaker 2>only way I'd ever go to la is if I

1:56:12.160 --> 1:56:15.520
<v Speaker 2>had a job out there. That eventually happened where I

1:56:15.560 --> 1:56:16.480
<v Speaker 2>got writing jobs.

1:56:17.600 --> 1:56:21.919
<v Speaker 1>So you do the nine to eleven rows with Hugh Hefner,

1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:24.200
<v Speaker 1>When do the writing job start?

1:56:25.200 --> 1:56:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I did some like kind of like under the table

1:56:27.680 --> 1:56:30.360
<v Speaker 2>punch up on The Drew Carrey Show in the nineties,

1:56:31.920 --> 1:56:36.400
<v Speaker 2>and I wrote on the season one of The Man Show.

1:56:36.400 --> 1:56:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I was already pretty established by then. I was like

1:56:38.880 --> 1:56:42.560
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. But I would say my first real writing

1:56:42.720 --> 1:56:47.200
<v Speaker 2>job break would have been the two thousand Oscars for

1:56:47.280 --> 1:56:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Billy Crystal. How'd you get that gig? Great question? I

1:56:52.240 --> 1:57:00.600
<v Speaker 2>wrote him a fan letter and someone else and hosted

1:57:00.600 --> 1:57:02.560
<v Speaker 2>the year before, and he hadn't hosted in a while.

1:57:04.200 --> 1:57:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And I was like walking past an office building on

1:57:09.080 --> 1:57:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Maple Drive one time, and I saw that I recognized

1:57:13.000 --> 1:57:15.920
<v Speaker 2>face productions on the thing, and I put that together

1:57:16.000 --> 1:57:18.680
<v Speaker 2>that that must be where Billy Crystal gets his mail.

1:57:20.120 --> 1:57:22.760
<v Speaker 2>And I wrote a letter saying, if you ever host

1:57:22.760 --> 1:57:27.480
<v Speaker 2>the Oscars again, what a ridiculous thing. I really love

1:57:27.560 --> 1:57:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the way you do it and would love to be

1:57:29.320 --> 1:57:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a part of that. And here's a unedited videotape VCR

1:57:34.040 --> 1:57:37.920
<v Speaker 2>VHS videotape of me roasting Drew Carrey at the Friars Club.

1:57:38.640 --> 1:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>And it was funny. Drew Carrey is to comedy what

1:57:43.000 --> 1:57:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Mariah Carey is to comedy. It was all very simple, fun, clean,

1:57:47.600 --> 1:57:52.920
<v Speaker 2>good natured jokes like Billy would do. And I felt

1:57:52.920 --> 1:57:56.440
<v Speaker 2>like my voice was I felt like I was close

1:57:56.560 --> 1:57:59.200
<v Speaker 2>enough to hit his voice where I could help him.

1:58:00.000 --> 1:58:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea who does that or but I

1:58:02.800 --> 1:58:06.640
<v Speaker 2>sent that. It might have been a year later. I

1:58:06.680 --> 1:58:12.480
<v Speaker 2>got a response, very nice handwritten letter which is now

1:58:12.480 --> 1:58:17.400
<v Speaker 2>framed in my office from Billy Crystal thanking me for

1:58:17.480 --> 1:58:22.520
<v Speaker 2>the letter and my kind words. And then months after that,

1:58:25.080 --> 1:58:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I was on the phone with my manager and he

1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:34.680
<v Speaker 2>was getting another call. He goes, hold on a second,

1:58:35.120 --> 1:58:39.720
<v Speaker 2>David Steinberg's calling me, and we knew that that was

1:58:39.760 --> 1:58:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the biggest manager in the business. He manages Billy Crystal

1:58:42.640 --> 1:58:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and Robin Williams, and he goes, let me call you back. Well,

1:58:47.960 --> 1:58:52.120
<v Speaker 2>that's cool. Couldn't imagine it was about me, you know.

1:58:54.160 --> 1:58:58.680
<v Speaker 2>And ten minutes later, Barry calls me back and he's like, hey, man,

1:58:58.720 --> 1:59:02.480
<v Speaker 2>are you sitting down? Billy Crystal wants to meet with

1:59:02.560 --> 1:59:05.600
<v Speaker 2>you next week. You got to come out here. So

1:59:05.760 --> 1:59:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I fly out, thinking, oh, I'm gonna interview for a

1:59:09.800 --> 1:59:12.760
<v Speaker 2>possible job on the Oscars. I don't know if they

1:59:12.800 --> 1:59:16.760
<v Speaker 2>announced that he was hosting or what was happening. And

1:59:16.800 --> 1:59:19.360
<v Speaker 2>then I walk in. It's him and David Steinberg, just

1:59:19.400 --> 1:59:22.760
<v Speaker 2>me by myself. I shake Billy's hand and he offers

1:59:22.840 --> 1:59:25.800
<v Speaker 2>me the job before we sit down, and that's when

1:59:25.800 --> 1:59:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I learned how show business works. He wasn't highering me.

1:59:30.800 --> 1:59:34.560
<v Speaker 2>He he knew before you get to Billy, he's already

1:59:34.600 --> 1:59:37.520
<v Speaker 2>decided he wants you. You can only lose it in

1:59:37.560 --> 1:59:41.879
<v Speaker 2>the interview. So I really learned that Thatt's how stars operate.

1:59:42.560 --> 1:59:47.040
<v Speaker 2>It's cool. And at that point I had an apartment,

1:59:47.040 --> 1:59:52.440
<v Speaker 2>a little one bedroom apartment on Doheany so I could

1:59:52.440 --> 1:59:56.240
<v Speaker 2>literally walk to Maple Drive. So we would go, and

1:59:56.320 --> 1:59:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Billy was directing a movie at the time, so we

1:59:59.400 --> 2:00:03.600
<v Speaker 2>would work weekends on the Oscars and sometimes we'd go

2:00:03.680 --> 2:00:09.480
<v Speaker 2>to his house, that famous house, which sadly he lost,

2:00:10.120 --> 2:00:12.200
<v Speaker 2>but I remember writing there with him, and he had

2:00:12.280 --> 2:00:18.040
<v Speaker 2>his core group, Bruce Falanche, John Max, David Boone. Suddenly

2:00:18.040 --> 2:00:20.720
<v Speaker 2>he was putting a new guy in there, and I

2:00:20.920 --> 2:00:23.360
<v Speaker 2>came in guns of blazing, and I remember making him laugh,

2:00:23.440 --> 2:00:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and I remember him, you know, I remember all of it,

2:00:27.960 --> 2:00:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and it was like going to graduate school. I learned

2:00:30.520 --> 2:00:33.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot from that. He was also very generous with

2:00:34.520 --> 2:00:36.800
<v Speaker 2>his time and advice. When I was going a Broadway

2:00:37.560 --> 2:00:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I reread his play Seven Hundred Sundays the week before

2:00:43.080 --> 2:00:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I opened, just because it was a nice distraction and

2:00:47.120 --> 2:00:50.440
<v Speaker 2>a reminder that quality is king.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you go from one side of the

2:00:53.600 --> 2:00:54.520
<v Speaker 1>camera to the other?

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean?

2:00:57.360 --> 2:01:01.960
<v Speaker 1>You get writing gigs? People who end up writing for

2:01:02.160 --> 2:01:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Jay Lennon, for David Letterman, who were comics you saw

2:01:04.800 --> 2:01:07.560
<v Speaker 1>them before and then they're behind the scenes.

2:01:07.840 --> 2:01:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Never meant it never differentiated to me. It was what

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<v Speaker 2>is the assignment? And I have only written for people

2:01:16.480 --> 2:01:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that are as good or better than me. So to me,

2:01:21.880 --> 2:01:23.760
<v Speaker 2>if Billy Crystal is going to tell a joke I

2:01:23.800 --> 2:01:27.040
<v Speaker 2>wrote on the oscars, the matter, if I'm telling it

2:01:27.160 --> 2:01:28.840
<v Speaker 2>or he's telling it, he's going to make it better.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked the question earlier. If I asked you the

2:01:31.560 --> 2:01:34.520
<v Speaker 1>dream in your early comedy decrease had to be a writer,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be the dream.

2:01:36.880 --> 2:01:39.400
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a dream. It was the only obvious thing.

2:01:39.760 --> 2:01:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't feel like a star, okay, So nobody was

2:01:42.880 --> 2:01:44.200
<v Speaker 2>telling me you're going to be a star.

2:01:44.400 --> 2:01:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how did you translate from the writer thing

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<v Speaker 1>to being a star?

2:01:52.800 --> 2:01:55.840
<v Speaker 2>None of that was a mission or planned or calculated.

2:01:55.880 --> 2:01:58.000
<v Speaker 2>It was all like, oh, I don't have a writing

2:01:58.080 --> 2:02:00.080
<v Speaker 2>job this month. I got it. Let me book a

2:02:00.160 --> 2:02:05.960
<v Speaker 2>couple of clubs. So if anything, it was failed acting

2:02:06.120 --> 2:02:10.040
<v Speaker 2>pilots or whatever part I got, if that forced you

2:02:10.080 --> 2:02:14.880
<v Speaker 2>to make a living a different way. So because you know,

2:02:15.920 --> 2:02:19.320
<v Speaker 2>that's just what I was doing, and I because those

2:02:19.320 --> 2:02:22.080
<v Speaker 2>were the opportunities, and you could self generate, and every

2:02:22.200 --> 2:02:26.080
<v Speaker 2>joke I wrote, I could do on TV, or I

2:02:26.120 --> 2:02:27.880
<v Speaker 2>could do on a talk show, or I could write

2:02:27.880 --> 2:02:31.240
<v Speaker 2>into a script. It was all the same. I was

2:02:31.280 --> 2:02:33.920
<v Speaker 2>never thinking I'm behind the scenes. I'm in front of

2:02:33.960 --> 2:02:38.520
<v Speaker 2>the scenes. And none of that was A buddy of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not announced yet, is going to host the s p's.

2:02:40.760 --> 2:02:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to help him. That's not a money gig,

2:02:44.440 --> 2:02:47.600
<v Speaker 2>that's not a high profile thing for me. But artistically,

2:02:47.640 --> 2:02:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I go, here's somebody I want to work with, and

2:02:50.240 --> 2:02:53.240
<v Speaker 2>I'll do it. When Jamie Fox said, I'm hosting the

2:02:53.360 --> 2:02:57.480
<v Speaker 2>MTV Awards in two thousand and one. I go, I

2:02:57.480 --> 2:02:59.080
<v Speaker 2>would like to help you with that. I was his

2:02:59.120 --> 2:03:03.160
<v Speaker 2>head writer, Chris Rock. I've written for on award shows.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how formalized are those relative to like amount

2:03:08.080 --> 2:03:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of time and compensation?

2:03:09.880 --> 2:03:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Very formalized. It's a contract, it's a guild job. But

2:03:14.200 --> 2:03:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing it to get health insurance anymore. I'm

2:03:17.640 --> 2:03:18.760
<v Speaker 2>doing it because I want to help.

2:03:18.840 --> 2:03:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I understand, So once it's a go, there's a framework

2:03:22.360 --> 2:03:24.440
<v Speaker 1>for the compensation and etc.

2:03:24.920 --> 2:03:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's usually have favored nations you're doing it for.

2:03:28.680 --> 2:03:31.440
<v Speaker 2>You're essentially doing it for a favor because you want

2:03:31.480 --> 2:03:33.800
<v Speaker 2>to help. You know. Two years in a row and

2:03:33.960 --> 2:03:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Kimmel was hosting the American Music Awards fifteen twenty

2:03:37.800 --> 2:03:42.320
<v Speaker 2>years ago. Bill Simmons and I would be the two

2:03:42.360 --> 2:03:44.720
<v Speaker 2>guys who would meet with him on the weekends. And

2:03:44.800 --> 2:03:48.840
<v Speaker 2>it was great, Like it bonded our friendship. It wasn't

2:03:48.880 --> 2:03:54.400
<v Speaker 2>a career move for me, but it was a relationship thing. Okay,

2:03:54.480 --> 2:03:57.280
<v Speaker 2>what I always tell myself, and this really applies to

2:03:57.360 --> 2:04:03.000
<v Speaker 2>your question, the gigs and go, it's the relationships that

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<v Speaker 2>sustain us through our careers.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you do the nine to eleven roast. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>be very clear, there are a number of people's, especially

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<v Speaker 1>female comedians, who have built careers on killing it the roast.

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<v Speaker 1>So you do Comedy Central? Is it a slow build

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<v Speaker 1>for you? How do you ultimately become the roastmaster general

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<v Speaker 1>such that everybody knows that you're the guy?

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<v Speaker 2>How?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>By being better than everybody? I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming you're good. But in terms of career, was

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<v Speaker 1>it a matter of frequency, as a matter of visibility,

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<v Speaker 1>as a matter of who was being roasted?

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lot going on. Not always, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be the reason the roast was happening. I would

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<v Speaker 2>talk someone into it. Comedy Central, Drew Carrey, more recently,

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brady, you know these things don't happen necessarily, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So just you gotta like truy, you gotta like make

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<v Speaker 2>it happen. And the reason I would make it happen,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I got them on the TV with the

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<v Speaker 2>Friars Club in the nineties was because I didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>that nobody was seeing how funny I was. Once I

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<v Speaker 2>got used to those fifteen hundred people seeing how funny

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<v Speaker 2>I was, for a couple of years, I go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this should be on TV. I'd be famous or I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be able to show off. So I had to go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>how do I get this on TV? How don't I

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<v Speaker 2>get Allent King to like me? How do I get

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<v Speaker 2>the Comedy Central to trust me? What if I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't ask for any money and let them make all

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<v Speaker 2>the money and not be but guarantee a spot for

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<v Speaker 2>me and my friends? And I just did it out

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<v Speaker 2>of necessity, creating a gig for myself. I never had

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<v Speaker 2>ownership or anything like that until later.

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<v Speaker 1>Generally speaking, things move slowly on the production. Then how

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<v Speaker 1>long and how hard after you had the idea to

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<v Speaker 1>put the first one on TV, till Comedy Central said yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then until it.

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<v Speaker 2>Happened Comedy Central Doug Herzog said yes right away. The

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<v Speaker 2>Friars Club were like, we don't know who Drew Carrey is.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to walk Chean Pierre Trebeau out of

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<v Speaker 2>the club, down the street to the newsstand, buy TV

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<v Speaker 2>Guide Drew Carries on the cover and go this guy, Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>these are old school guys. They weren't following the trends.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of roasting Milton Burrell and old timers. I go,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to We could put it this on TV,

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<v Speaker 2>but it has to be more contemporary names. The Friars

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<v Speaker 2>had no clue what that way. So you first was

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Drew Carry, he was the first one on TV. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned Jerry Stiller, then you havef neer anything. Wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>Carrie philis Diller and then no, no Jerry Stiller, Joey.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me? How successful? Were Carrie and Stiller very successful?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you feel that just raw numbers with ratings

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<v Speaker 1>or you just out environment.

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<v Speaker 2>People environment and what it was doing for my profile.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't following ratings back then. I wasn't privy to

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so now you're literally the roastmaster in general. I

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<v Speaker 1>would assume some production company called, hey, Jeff, we need

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<v Speaker 1>another roast. Why don't we do another roast? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>happened that way? Or you're sitting at home saying, God,

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<v Speaker 1>I want it's you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's me. Okay, it's me writing a direct message to

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brady after he wins. Another Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>Was slower slower stuff like that slower slip? Would you

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<v Speaker 3>ever pee or have some water? How do you meet

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<v Speaker 3>three hours. How do you know you're gonna start making

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<v Speaker 3>How don't give me some carbs?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you know Tom Brady?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. He knows who I am and I know

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<v Speaker 2>who he is.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you get the number such as you

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<v Speaker 1>can do? Or you DM on a platform? What do

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<v Speaker 1>you actually do?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we do this on part two?

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<v Speaker 1>We can wrap it up very quickly, But I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of an arc here.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this. I'm being a ball bust.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you say you DM them a little bit more micro.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's different. Every roast is unique. There hadn't been a

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<v Speaker 2>roast in five years the pandemic I think it. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce Willis or Alec Balwam was on Comedy Central. Pandemic

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<v Speaker 2>hits Meet to Black Lives Matter, Cancel Culture. No one's

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about doing a roast. No one's letting their client

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<v Speaker 2>be anywhere near these jokes. Right. Comedians are getting canceled,

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<v Speaker 2>Shane Gillis is getting kicked off SNL. It ain't happening.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm the roast guy going, Oh, I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>figured out how to roast my fans on stage. I

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<v Speaker 2>can still roast, but kind of miss a big celebrity event,

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<v Speaker 2>but no one's really into it, exent me and the Roast.

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<v Speaker 2>Battle fans like there's a market for it, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that big. I guess I didn't realize it's percolating

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<v Speaker 2>under the earth. The Roast is like a purge. People

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<v Speaker 2>don't admit how much they love it. Right It's like

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<v Speaker 2>there's no more White House correspondence to or no one's

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<v Speaker 2>talking truth to power. The Roasts are a snapshot of world.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes people are divided right now, so the Roast could be.

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<v Speaker 2>But Tom Brady, I saw him as a larger than

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<v Speaker 2>life figure that could handle something like that, but also

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<v Speaker 2>would be a good target. So Super Bowl Sunday rolls around.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a giant sports fan, but I happen to

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<v Speaker 2>make a couple jokes on my Instagram about him and

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<v Speaker 2>Gronk that morning, and Tom Brady's playing in the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>but I notice on my Instagram story he's watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>So on Super Bowl Sunday, when his stress level is

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<v Speaker 2>at a hundred, he's coming to me and the Roasts

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<v Speaker 2>for some levity to calm down whatever. But I clock

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<v Speaker 2>that I go if he wins, I'm gonna write him.

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<v Speaker 2>If he wins, He's gonna retire, and I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>him the best retirement party ever. Now, there hasn't been

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<v Speaker 2>a roast in five years, so it's such a long shot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a thousand and one. But fuck it, I never

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<v Speaker 2>really do this, he wins, And I forgot exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote. I guess I could look at my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>but he writes back, LFG, let's fucking go. I call

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<v Speaker 2>my agent. He goes, Oh, you know his company is

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<v Speaker 2>represented by ourn company? Oh is that so? Yeah? Let

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<v Speaker 2>me call this guy. Within a few weeks we had

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brady's production company and Casey Patterson's production company, and

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<v Speaker 2>Tom makes a little video for me, and we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're pitching, can't believe this is really happening. Hum, it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>He makes a deal. Any unretires, So everything's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>on hold because I don't really want to do it

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<v Speaker 2>while he's playing, because it's not fun anymore. It's too

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<v Speaker 2>intense and you can't have you want it to be

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<v Speaker 2>a spectacle. Then he gets divorced and delay it again.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he doesn't really want to do it, maybe he's stalling,

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<v Speaker 2>but he holds onto it. Got to give them a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of credit. Then Netflix said, let's push another eight

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<v Speaker 2>or nine months till the next Netflix is a joke festival.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll make this. Did it end up on Netflix? I

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<v Speaker 2>have a good relationship there. I wanted it to be

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<v Speaker 2>no holds barred. I wanted it to be freedom of speech.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted it to be uncensored. No was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also live, which Netflix is not famous for

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<v Speaker 1>at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, but I didn't want to. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that if it wasn't sponsored, we could really have fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And because of the way everybody was so touchy at

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<v Speaker 2>this point in the world, the old days Comedy Central,

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<v Speaker 2>you had Taco Bell and they were very cool about everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and the sponsors were always okay, just don't mention our

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<v Speaker 2>competitors unless you're making a bad joke about you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot of that. I've been through all

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<v Speaker 2>the marketing. I was a producer on a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>those Comedy Central roads, so I knew how it all worked.

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<v Speaker 2>But with Tom Brady talking him into the live part

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<v Speaker 2>was tricky. I may have done a little sleight of

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<v Speaker 2>hand there to get him to do that. In that Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be different fun. You're used to live it's like

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<v Speaker 2>sports and talk about a whale. I mean, this guy

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<v Speaker 2>is such a great target. But my whole pitch was

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<v Speaker 2>like show the world you're a human being. You'll know

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<v Speaker 2>you if you could sit there through this, you will

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<v Speaker 2>never hear And it's true, he will never hear another

2:14:05.800 --> 2:14:10.880
<v Speaker 2>deflategate joke. He will never hear another Gisel joke. It's over.

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<v Speaker 2>I had done that already for Bieber years earlier. He

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<v Speaker 2>had had all these like sort of like juvenile scandals.

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<v Speaker 2>But he knew him and Scooter Braun knew he had

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<v Speaker 2>a great album in the chamber about to come out.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to put the pass behind him. Best way

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<v Speaker 2>to do it laugh at yourself, and then no one.

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<v Speaker 2>If you laugh at yourself, no one's gonna make those

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<v Speaker 2>jokes ever again. So with Tom, no one's ever gonna

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<v Speaker 2>call him. It would just be a way to start over,

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<v Speaker 2>launch his new life as a broadcaster, as an owner.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems risky, but it's gonna work. And he's a

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<v Speaker 2>big game hunter. He wants to And because it was

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<v Speaker 2>done during the festival, I had all the best comics

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<v Speaker 2>in town anyway, So you're advertizing your hotels and your

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<v Speaker 2>travel over the whole over other shows. And Tom should

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<v Speaker 2>get the Nobel Prize for letting us have ad him

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<v Speaker 2>for three hours live on Netflix so that the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of us could forget our own problems for a little while.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he was such a good sport. It was much

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<v Speaker 2>rougher than even I thought it would be that roast,

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<v Speaker 2>like he really endured some hits on his personal life

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<v Speaker 2>and his career. But what it did do was and

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<v Speaker 2>showed the world that even a goat can take a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>He showed everybody that he can laugh at himself. He

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<v Speaker 2>put the past behind him, for whatever that's worth. He

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<v Speaker 2>went on to get ownership of the Vegas team. He

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<v Speaker 2>went on to become a tremendous broadcaster. His ex went

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<v Speaker 2>on with the Kung Fu teacher and is not in

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<v Speaker 2>his world, like he's never going to hear those jokes again.

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<v Speaker 2>And I sent to him at a promo shoot tell

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<v Speaker 2>me one more time why you agreed to do this?

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<v Speaker 2>And now was too late to back out so I

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<v Speaker 2>could be confident he started with me. I flew down

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<v Speaker 2>there for one. He was going to give us an

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<v Speaker 2>hour to shoot a promo. He wasn't really invested in

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<v Speaker 2>spending too much time on this roast at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>so I flew down there just to watch him do

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<v Speaker 2>the hour promo shoot. He said, why are you here?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, because you've agreed to do this, You've trusted me.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make sure you come off great. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you here? The question he goes thought matter

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<v Speaker 2>for a second. He goes, because I love the roast.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate the way the world is so sensitive now,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is my way to like maybe help fix

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<v Speaker 2>recalculate comedy. I was so impressed by that, It's like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta really kill it for this guy. So what happens. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin came out him pretty hard with the fuck you

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<v Speaker 2>Tom and the Giselle jokes, and I came out him

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<v Speaker 2>pretty hard, and Niggi Glazer turned him inside out. But

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<v Speaker 2>Gronk Edelman, Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick coming out like Darth Vader.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of friction. Those guys hadn't seen

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<v Speaker 2>each other in years. Tom left New England, went to Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>won another Super Bowl. I was having a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>smack talk with his former teammates in private meetings with

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<v Speaker 2>the writers. I was learning a lot about Tom that

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't all so friendly for a while, but it

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<v Speaker 2>all melted. Remember Kevin brought them up. They all did

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<v Speaker 2>a shot together, and suddenly they're doing Super Bowl commercials

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<v Speaker 2>together and Duncan Donuts commercials together, and Belichick becomes his

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<v Speaker 2>own celebrity, and Robert Craft, you know, is hugging Tom

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<v Speaker 2>and they become team owners. Like it elevated Tom to

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<v Speaker 2>a Robert Craft level where he now owns part of

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<v Speaker 2>a team in Vegas. He needed Robert Craft's vote to

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<v Speaker 2>get that, and I feel like and then they all

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<v Speaker 2>then there was a big event a month or two

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<v Speaker 2>later in New England where at Foxborough where Tom was

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<v Speaker 2>getting the Patriots Hall of Fame, and that went really well.

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<v Speaker 2>And Edelman, Julian Edelman, who was on those Super Bowl teams,

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<v Speaker 2>said it went well because of the roast. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you talk to any real Patriots fan, they look at

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<v Speaker 2>the roast as like this great sort of Kumbaya moment

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<v Speaker 2>for Tom Brady and his world.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's one thing about that though. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>really big success. Being live amplified it even larger. But

2:19:08.600 --> 2:19:10.840
<v Speaker 1>it's the fir you're in the belly of the beast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, but it's the first roast that I remember

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<v Speaker 1>where there's an aftermath. There was all the bit about

2:19:17.879 --> 2:19:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the kids and kids, should the kids be exposed to this?

2:19:21.280 --> 2:19:25.360
<v Speaker 1>And then Tom blinked this was news. Well you roll

2:19:25.400 --> 2:19:29.080
<v Speaker 1>in your eyes where you said, whoh, this is something different. No.

2:19:29.280 --> 2:19:31.959
<v Speaker 2>I mean he had some points, but he was also

2:19:34.400 --> 2:19:40.920
<v Speaker 2>he also had a personal life. There's always aftermath. There's

2:19:40.959 --> 2:19:45.680
<v Speaker 2>always with these roasts. Always every single roast I've ever done,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some aftermath. Some of it's more public than others.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me an example of this.

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<v Speaker 2>When there were jokes about there were different times other

2:20:00.040 --> 2:20:02.520
<v Speaker 2>people died and jokes were made and people got mad.

2:20:02.720 --> 2:20:05.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to drum it all up again, but

2:20:05.240 --> 2:20:09.520
<v Speaker 2>there's always been some aftermath. There was definitely after math

2:20:09.640 --> 2:20:12.920
<v Speaker 2>after the Hugh Hefner nine to eleven stuff with Gilbert Gonfreed,

2:20:13.040 --> 2:20:17.120
<v Speaker 2>And there's always some aftermath. It might have been bigger

2:20:17.160 --> 2:20:22.440
<v Speaker 2>because Tom's bigger and it was live normally in the

2:20:22.480 --> 2:20:26.480
<v Speaker 2>old days on Comedy Central. The jokes wouldn't make it

2:20:26.520 --> 2:20:30.000
<v Speaker 2>to TV. They'd be set at the roast and the

2:20:30.080 --> 2:20:33.240
<v Speaker 2>New York posts would rewrite them, but they weren't on

2:20:33.280 --> 2:20:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the show, but they were in the world because there

2:20:37.720 --> 2:20:41.600
<v Speaker 2>were reporters there and people would write what happened. But

2:20:41.879 --> 2:20:44.000
<v Speaker 2>we would be able to fix those or cut those

2:20:44.000 --> 2:20:48.440
<v Speaker 2>out if they really that's not even that's not even fair.

2:20:48.440 --> 2:20:50.560
<v Speaker 2>We would leave everything in. The only time we cut

2:20:50.600 --> 2:20:52.120
<v Speaker 2>stuff out is if it didn't get to laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what are the Holy Grail gigs.

2:20:56.520 --> 2:21:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Left for me? Yeah? I don't know.

2:21:01.120 --> 2:21:08.760
<v Speaker 1>That's not me hosting SNL. Sure, I mean if they

2:21:08.800 --> 2:21:10.720
<v Speaker 1>call you, fine, but are you sitting there go? I

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<v Speaker 1>like to do it.

2:21:12.200 --> 2:21:14.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would be a dream White.

2:21:14.720 --> 2:21:17.640
<v Speaker 1>House correspondence if there's ever a comedian again.

2:21:18.000 --> 2:21:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean that was My two biggest ones were always

2:21:22.080 --> 2:21:29.760
<v Speaker 2>that roasting the president, whoever that was, and and hosting

2:21:29.800 --> 2:21:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the Oscars. Those are no longer on my bucket list

2:21:34.560 --> 2:21:43.800
<v Speaker 2>the same way because they don't feel as important to

2:21:43.840 --> 2:21:47.080
<v Speaker 2>me for some reason. Okay, Ever since the slap, I

2:21:47.120 --> 2:21:49.359
<v Speaker 2>look at the Oscars a little bit differently.

2:21:49.240 --> 2:21:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Or is it? You know, the Oscars is living in

2:21:52.400 --> 2:21:55.000
<v Speaker 1>a bubble because people have moved on from the movies.

2:21:55.040 --> 2:21:58.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not the international right. It once was irrelevant of

2:21:58.400 --> 2:22:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the press. That's not how the public feels at it.

2:22:00.760 --> 2:22:03.519
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I'm gonna take my statement back. Obviously

2:22:03.600 --> 2:22:07.359
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff is still having written for Billy Crystal

2:22:07.440 --> 2:22:11.400
<v Speaker 2>for the Oscars, that would be a dream. But for me,

2:22:12.400 --> 2:22:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the dream gig was the Grammys. I always thought the

2:22:16.000 --> 2:22:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Grammys host was the coolest thing because because I love

2:22:20.959 --> 2:22:27.960
<v Speaker 2>music and Billy Crystal, Gary Shanling, they were the cool

2:22:28.000 --> 2:22:31.080
<v Speaker 2>guys hosting the Grammys before they even got to their

2:22:31.120 --> 2:22:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Oscar gigs. To me, that was the the rock and

2:22:35.280 --> 2:22:39.800
<v Speaker 2>roll audience. I felt like I could be funnier.

2:22:40.800 --> 2:22:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, have you ever pitched yourself?

2:22:42.680 --> 2:22:45.520
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know if I'm big enough or whatever. Wait, wait,

2:22:45.560 --> 2:22:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I remember, I wouldn't even know how to do that.

2:22:47.240 --> 2:22:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I remember two thousand or two thousand and one John

2:22:50.080 --> 2:22:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Stewart and John Stewart was going up. The only show

2:22:53.360 --> 2:22:55.800
<v Speaker 1>hadn't be remember talking about it the head of the Grammys.

2:22:56.280 --> 2:22:59.080
<v Speaker 2>You'd have to pitch me. I couldn't even tell Bruce

2:22:59.080 --> 2:23:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Springsteen about my fucking show.

2:23:02.600 --> 2:23:04.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, I have too many ups and downs with

2:23:04.400 --> 2:23:06.160
<v Speaker 1>these people. You don't want me to pitch you to

2:23:06.240 --> 2:23:09.360
<v Speaker 1>the Grammy organization, but I think you would be very

2:23:09.440 --> 2:23:16.800
<v Speaker 1>good because everybody's reading a script, nobody's funny, and the host,

2:23:17.320 --> 2:23:20.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, Trevor Noah, you know you tell about whereas

2:23:20.320 --> 2:23:23.240
<v Speaker 1>it's always the off the cuff, the nature of being

2:23:23.240 --> 2:23:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a host on one of those things. You're killing time,

2:23:25.120 --> 2:23:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you're making time, they're not ready whatever, So you have

2:23:27.640 --> 2:23:31.320
<v Speaker 1>moments to throw things off, and that's what makes the show.

2:23:31.720 --> 2:23:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like, I like a live production. I'm really

2:23:34.560 --> 2:23:39.119
<v Speaker 2>good on my feet, right I I'm like a method roaster,

2:23:39.840 --> 2:23:43.760
<v Speaker 2>method comedian. Before I even write anything, I learn everything

2:23:43.800 --> 2:23:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I can about it, so then I can write it quickly.

2:23:48.200 --> 2:23:50.640
<v Speaker 2>If you're trying to research and write and research and

2:23:50.680 --> 2:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>write and research and write, you're just doing a lot

2:23:53.000 --> 2:23:55.440
<v Speaker 2>of puff. But if I learn everything I can, like

2:23:57.240 --> 2:24:01.320
<v Speaker 2>I can ahead of time, I can I can write

2:24:01.320 --> 2:24:01.800
<v Speaker 2>it quickly.

2:24:02.520 --> 2:24:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, let's assume you do this research. How

2:24:05.400 --> 2:24:07.439
<v Speaker 1>long might it take you to do the research.

2:24:07.280 --> 2:24:09.680
<v Speaker 2>The second I find out what I'm doing. If I

2:24:09.720 --> 2:24:12.080
<v Speaker 2>have it one day or a year, that's all I

2:24:12.120 --> 2:24:12.440
<v Speaker 2>can do.

2:24:12.640 --> 2:24:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but let's assume time is reasonable. Is research an

2:24:16.440 --> 2:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>hour a day, a week, a month.

2:24:19.040 --> 2:24:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not that type of research.

2:24:24.080 --> 2:24:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, let me ask a questions, because I don't.

2:24:25.680 --> 2:24:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm really asking a completely different question. You've done your research, Yeah,

2:24:30.800 --> 2:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>do you sit down to write or do you wait

2:24:33.240 --> 2:24:35.320
<v Speaker 1>for the bolt of lightning? Wait a second, I'm hot

2:24:35.360 --> 2:24:36.600
<v Speaker 1>right now, now's the time to.

2:24:36.600 --> 2:24:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Do it both. I do sit down to write when

2:24:39.360 --> 2:24:42.879
<v Speaker 2>it's a roast. What I love about roast writing is

2:24:42.920 --> 2:24:46.760
<v Speaker 2>it has a when, Oh, you're writing a roast for somebody,

2:24:47.200 --> 2:24:50.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, Tom Brady, doesn't matter who. To me, it's

2:24:50.280 --> 2:24:56.520
<v Speaker 2>like a tailor making a custom suit. Can only I'm

2:24:56.560 --> 2:24:59.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna make it. It's only can be for that person

2:25:00.480 --> 2:25:03.480
<v Speaker 2>on that night, for their wedding or whatever it is.

2:25:03.560 --> 2:25:08.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like like, I'm those jokes are not going to

2:25:08.080 --> 2:25:12.800
<v Speaker 2>be generic. They're not reusable. Those are bad jokes. If

2:25:12.800 --> 2:25:15.760
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna write generic jokes, then you're not an artist.

2:25:16.400 --> 2:25:23.520
<v Speaker 2>You're just cutting paste. To me, it's the research. Like

2:25:24.040 --> 2:25:26.800
<v Speaker 2>if you're roasting an actor, I watch the movies and

2:25:26.840 --> 2:25:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I read their interviews. If they wrote a book, I

2:25:29.959 --> 2:25:33.320
<v Speaker 2>read the book. That's how I do it. I become

2:25:33.920 --> 2:25:36.040
<v Speaker 2>and I only roast someone if I'm a fan or

2:25:36.080 --> 2:25:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I respect them. If I don't, I don't do it.

2:25:40.200 --> 2:25:42.400
<v Speaker 1>So do you have something in the works right now

2:25:42.840 --> 2:25:43.360
<v Speaker 1>a roast?

2:25:43.520 --> 2:25:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, I didn't want a week ago.

2:25:47.080 --> 2:25:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I know, but some people, you know, in some businesses.

2:25:50.080 --> 2:25:52.240
<v Speaker 1>They're they're constantly looking forward.

2:25:52.440 --> 2:25:56.080
<v Speaker 2>These things are so big and so hard. Once I

2:25:56.160 --> 2:25:59.400
<v Speaker 2>get when done, I need a break. I need to stop,

2:26:00.160 --> 2:26:03.640
<v Speaker 2>to turn that muscle off. I need to be nice again.

2:26:04.320 --> 2:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be in roast mode. I don't

2:26:06.959 --> 2:26:09.120
<v Speaker 2>think it's good for my health to stay that way

2:26:09.160 --> 2:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>all the time. I like to let it all go

2:26:13.080 --> 2:26:15.480
<v Speaker 2>and flip it.

2:26:16.520 --> 2:26:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Let's just assume you're doing that and you let that

2:26:19.720 --> 2:26:23.160
<v Speaker 1>muscle atrophy a bit. How long does it take you

2:26:23.200 --> 2:26:24.280
<v Speaker 1>to get back in the groove.

2:26:24.560 --> 2:26:26.600
<v Speaker 2>It takes a minute. It takes me a minute to

2:26:26.640 --> 2:26:29.480
<v Speaker 2>get the full roast mode. This is something I've done

2:26:29.520 --> 2:26:32.000
<v Speaker 2>so many times now I recognize that it's a thing.

2:26:33.400 --> 2:26:40.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like a superpower to find the line to make

2:26:42.080 --> 2:26:49.039
<v Speaker 2>someone laugh at themselves, to scratch the skin but not

2:26:49.160 --> 2:26:54.959
<v Speaker 2>break it. When I roast somebody, I want them to

2:26:55.160 --> 2:26:59.039
<v Speaker 2>leave there as my friend. If I don't know them well,

2:26:59.120 --> 2:27:01.879
<v Speaker 2>I want I use the to make them become my friend,

2:27:02.800 --> 2:27:05.440
<v Speaker 2>not to have them go. Keep me away from Jeff Ross.

2:27:05.480 --> 2:27:09.280
<v Speaker 2>That guy's freaking ruthless. He turned me inside out, he

2:27:09.480 --> 2:27:12.039
<v Speaker 2>destroyed I don't want that. Some roasters are like that.

2:27:12.160 --> 2:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't like that, and I'll even cut a joke

2:27:18.200 --> 2:27:21.080
<v Speaker 2>that will kill, but if they are not going to

2:27:21.160 --> 2:27:23.080
<v Speaker 2>laugh at it, I won't do it.

2:27:23.120 --> 2:27:25.879
<v Speaker 1>Is there a trick? Trick's got a bad connotation, but

2:27:25.959 --> 2:27:28.520
<v Speaker 1>is there a framework of how you come up with

2:27:28.560 --> 2:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>a roast joke?

2:27:33.200 --> 2:27:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, if it's somebody super successful, like a Tom Brady,

2:27:40.440 --> 2:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>it plays best. In my opinion. I don't love giving

2:27:46.360 --> 2:27:51.320
<v Speaker 2>away my secrets, but anyone who's gone through three hours

2:27:51.360 --> 2:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>deserves something listening to this backhanded compliments. If you come

2:27:57.959 --> 2:28:00.280
<v Speaker 2>at it as a compliment, you can get a with

2:28:00.360 --> 2:28:06.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot. And that's the key. Whether you're roasting I

2:28:06.760 --> 2:28:10.680
<v Speaker 2>roasted Donald Trump, I roasted you, Hefner, I roasted Tom Brady.

2:28:11.080 --> 2:28:15.520
<v Speaker 2>These people are you know? Backhand and come. I do

2:28:15.600 --> 2:28:16.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of private roasts.

2:28:17.920 --> 2:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>There is a private roof of like somebody who runs

2:28:20.080 --> 2:28:21.600
<v Speaker 1>a company or somebody we would know.

2:28:22.280 --> 2:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Both, and also somebody who just has money and it's

2:28:26.040 --> 2:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>their birthday. Occasionally, I'm picky about the ones I agreed to.

2:28:31.080 --> 2:28:34.640
<v Speaker 2>I roasted a couple at their wedding last year. Okay,

2:28:34.720 --> 2:28:37.400
<v Speaker 2>do you have to prepare for those? Of course takes

2:28:37.440 --> 2:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>me days. I zoom with them, I zoom with their friends.

2:28:41.160 --> 2:28:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I send out questionnaires. I get information. I don't always

2:28:46.280 --> 2:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>tell the honoree where I got the information. The wife

2:28:50.640 --> 2:28:53.320
<v Speaker 2>is hiring me to roast the husband who's turning fifty.

2:28:53.480 --> 2:28:56.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're flying me around. Sometimes I got to

2:28:56.720 --> 2:28:59.440
<v Speaker 2>hide in the back because it's a surprise. You know.

2:28:59.760 --> 2:29:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Maybe now I won't roast somebody as a surprise that

2:29:03.280 --> 2:29:06.039
<v Speaker 2>I learned my lesson. Oh, but it might be a

2:29:06.080 --> 2:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>surprise to the audience. Oh, I only roast violent. You

2:29:09.480 --> 2:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>have to opt in, Bob, or it's bullying. I roasted

2:29:14.440 --> 2:29:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Richard Branson his friends hired me twenty years ago, and

2:29:19.400 --> 2:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>we surprised him with it, and he did not like it,

2:29:21.760 --> 2:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and he poured a drink on my head and it

2:29:24.520 --> 2:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>was humiliating and he wasn't a good sport. And I'll

2:29:28.600 --> 2:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>never do that again.

2:29:30.200 --> 2:29:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Could you mend the relationship with Richard Brands?

2:29:32.720 --> 2:29:35.480
<v Speaker 2>No interest? I know people?

2:29:37.040 --> 2:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we have Nicki Glazer, we have other people

2:29:41.000 --> 2:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>who have made their rep roasting. Two things. Are there

2:29:45.879 --> 2:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>people in the wings you're thinking of it, could do it?

2:29:48.280 --> 2:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>And when they do it, do they rise to the

2:29:51.600 --> 2:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>occasion or do you know they've got it?

2:29:55.000 --> 2:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>What do you specifically ask him?

2:29:56.520 --> 2:29:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay? Do you have in the back of your mind

2:29:58.840 --> 2:30:01.600
<v Speaker 1>if I do another roast, there's a couple of comics.

2:30:01.760 --> 2:30:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know who would be good.

2:30:04.400 --> 2:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Comics that are unknown?

2:30:05.600 --> 2:30:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay a lot of it. Is there connection to

2:30:08.640 --> 2:30:15.560
<v Speaker 2>the honoree, right? That helps because you wanted to feel homemade.

2:30:15.959 --> 2:30:21.600
<v Speaker 2>You want the ingredients to be pure and organic. There's

2:30:21.600 --> 2:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>been bad roasts. The famous one is about Chevy Chase

2:30:26.280 --> 2:30:28.640
<v Speaker 2>and the Friars Club. And I wasn't part of that one,

2:30:29.040 --> 2:30:32.920
<v Speaker 2>but he didn't know most of the comics and he

2:30:32.959 --> 2:30:36.320
<v Speaker 2>wasn't having fun and he didn't meet them beforehand. I

2:30:36.320 --> 2:30:40.959
<v Speaker 2>would never let that happen if I was producing, you know,

2:30:41.000 --> 2:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I try to have a dinner for everybody the night before,

2:30:44.320 --> 2:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>or I try to see everybody at rehearsal.

2:30:46.920 --> 2:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't kill the spontanaity.

2:30:49.120 --> 2:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not telling them my material, but I'm looking

2:30:51.959 --> 2:30:54.879
<v Speaker 2>him in the eye and shaking their hand and going, hey, Greg,

2:30:54.920 --> 2:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, Larry, I want you to meet come over here.

2:30:56.800 --> 2:30:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I want you to meet Nicky. Nicky. This is Tom,

2:30:59.240 --> 2:31:02.120
<v Speaker 2>you know. And they're just not They're not a name

2:31:02.160 --> 2:31:05.400
<v Speaker 2>on the call sheet anymore. They're They're a human being.

2:31:06.160 --> 2:31:09.520
<v Speaker 2>And you're about to do this crazy thing with them.

2:31:09.760 --> 2:31:10.959
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing like this.

2:31:20.040 --> 2:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Who's the funniest person you ever met?

2:31:22.959 --> 2:31:30.280
<v Speaker 2>My grandfather Pop Jack, so funny, so funny, sarcastic, didn't

2:31:30.520 --> 2:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't think about being funny, wasn't trying to be funny.

2:31:34.840 --> 2:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>But he knew he was funny.

2:31:36.959 --> 2:31:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I think so, and.

2:31:40.600 --> 2:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>And he pinched myself. Moments of meeting a celebrity or

2:31:43.959 --> 2:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>famous person.

2:31:46.800 --> 2:31:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't meet him, but Paul McCartney was at the

2:31:50.560 --> 2:31:56.760
<v Speaker 2>back of the improblem by himself, and I went on

2:31:57.520 --> 2:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>and someone told me he was there. So I did

2:31:59.440 --> 2:32:06.680
<v Speaker 2>a fifty minute show offset I mean I killed. There's

2:32:06.720 --> 2:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>a bit in the Banana Show where I imitate the

2:32:10.240 --> 2:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Queen and Prince Philip making love for the last time

2:32:14.959 --> 2:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>and when she had just died or whatever, and I

2:32:20.280 --> 2:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>knew he would laugh, So I did that. I really

2:32:24.000 --> 2:32:25.879
<v Speaker 2>killed in front of Paul McCartney.

2:32:25.640 --> 2:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, did you tell any Paul McCartney jokes.

2:32:28.400 --> 2:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>No, it didn't expose him being there. He wasn't there

2:32:32.200 --> 2:32:37.760
<v Speaker 2>for me. He was just there. And I was like,

2:32:37.879 --> 2:32:39.840
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I'm going to go in the lobby

2:32:39.879 --> 2:32:41.760
<v Speaker 2>and Paul McCartney's going to come out, and I'm going

2:32:41.840 --> 2:32:45.520
<v Speaker 2>to have this incredible moment with somebody who's really had

2:32:45.560 --> 2:32:49.120
<v Speaker 2>an impact on my life. I love Paul McCartney, listened

2:32:49.200 --> 2:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>him every day probably, and I just bought his book

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<v Speaker 2>where he breaks down the songwriting and it's fascinating. And

2:32:55.520 --> 2:33:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I had just seen the six hour documentary and he

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<v Speaker 2>goes out the side door. I don't meet him. I'm devastated,

2:33:07.360 --> 2:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>cursing the manager for not bringing him out. Why do

2:33:10.360 --> 2:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>you tell me is Aaron then don't let me? Don't

2:33:12.320 --> 2:33:13.959
<v Speaker 2>Why do you rush him out for? Like I'm just

2:33:15.040 --> 2:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm so mad. Months later, I'm in some shitty green

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<v Speaker 2>room in a comedy club in the Midwest and buddy of

2:33:26.879 --> 2:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>mine texts me Rick Ingram He's opening for Chris Rock

2:33:31.520 --> 2:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>in LA and he says, I'm standing here with Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Rock and Jeff Wills, who runs Live Nation Comedy so

2:33:43.440 --> 2:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>witnesses and we asked Paul McCartney who his favorite comic was, right,

2:33:51.240 --> 2:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>and Paul says, uh, the bald bloke who takes the

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<v Speaker 2>piss out of people. You could retire after that. A

2:34:03.320 --> 2:34:07.519
<v Speaker 2>minute later, Jeff Wills sends me the same text. A

2:34:07.520 --> 2:34:09.440
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks later, I see Chris Rock and he

2:34:09.480 --> 2:34:13.879
<v Speaker 2>tells me the same story, and Rick said I and

2:34:13.959 --> 2:34:16.360
<v Speaker 2>we asked him, like, are there any British comics that

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<v Speaker 2>you love? He couldn't name one, didn't bother to name one.

2:34:21.000 --> 2:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>It was just the bald bloke who takes the piss

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<v Speaker 2>out of people.

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<v Speaker 1>As I say, it doesn't get any better than that.

2:34:26.920 --> 2:34:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I didn't need to hear it out of his mouth.

2:34:28.640 --> 2:34:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I had three reliable sources tell me that that's what

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<v Speaker 2>he said. And I was so delighted. I was like,

2:34:35.160 --> 2:34:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't ever need to meet. I saw Paul McCartney

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<v Speaker 2>at the SNL RAP party the other night, did not

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<v Speaker 2>say HI, did not want.

2:34:42.400 --> 2:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>To well another he would know this is different. Another

2:34:48.680 --> 2:34:50.800
<v Speaker 1>rule is never talked to a celebrity who doesn't know

2:34:50.840 --> 2:34:53.440
<v Speaker 1>you unless you're introduced, never want to go. But he

2:34:53.480 --> 2:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>does know you, he would have been thrilled.

2:34:55.560 --> 2:34:58.120
<v Speaker 2>It was three am, he was dancing with his wife.

2:34:59.120 --> 2:35:01.880
<v Speaker 1>No, no, the situation, I'm not telling you should have

2:35:01.959 --> 2:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>done it. Yeah there that you've been in those rooms,

2:35:04.440 --> 2:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>you know when to do it.

2:35:05.240 --> 2:35:07.360
<v Speaker 2>When not. My buddy that I was with, who's not

2:35:07.400 --> 2:35:11.600
<v Speaker 2>in show business, saw Paul leaving. So he went all

2:35:11.640 --> 2:35:13.640
<v Speaker 2>the way around the room by the exit, just so

2:35:13.720 --> 2:35:15.680
<v Speaker 2>that he could shake Paul's hand as he walked away,

2:35:15.680 --> 2:35:18.720
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of got why he did that, but

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<v Speaker 2>that wouldn't be good for me. So I was like,

2:35:22.200 --> 2:35:25.920
<v Speaker 2>it all goes back to like twenty five years ago.

2:35:25.959 --> 2:35:30.959
<v Speaker 2>Twenty years ago, I was at the Century City Mall

2:35:31.920 --> 2:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>with my girlfriend at the time, in my buddy comedian,

2:35:34.440 --> 2:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>great comedian Elon Gold and his wife, and we were

2:35:38.360 --> 2:35:42.600
<v Speaker 2>going to the movies and Melon Brooks and his wife

2:35:42.640 --> 2:35:45.119
<v Speaker 2>and Carl Ryner and his wife came up the stairs

2:35:45.120 --> 2:35:49.800
<v Speaker 2>to go to the same movie and we froze Young Comics.

2:35:49.879 --> 2:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>There's Melon curl out in the wild, and Elon is like,

2:35:54.879 --> 2:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>this is our chance. You gotta go, We gotta and

2:35:58.080 --> 2:36:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I go, go for it. You got to come with me.

2:36:01.040 --> 2:36:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I go, I'm not going, He goes, why not I go.

2:36:05.280 --> 2:36:07.600
<v Speaker 2>There'll be a time in my life where I will

2:36:07.680 --> 2:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>meet those guys. This is not it.

2:36:11.080 --> 2:36:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what he went.

2:36:12.400 --> 2:36:15.720
<v Speaker 2>And years later, Mel was so good to me and

2:36:15.800 --> 2:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Carl was so good to me, and you know, I'll.

2:36:18.840 --> 2:36:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Just tell you one little story on that. I went

2:36:21.000 --> 2:36:26.959
<v Speaker 1>on the Thurstreet promenade to an afternoon movie. And this

2:36:27.000 --> 2:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>is the last couple of years of Seinfeld and Larry David.

2:36:31.480 --> 2:36:34.840
<v Speaker 1>There's nobody there. It's me and Larry David. Okay, I

2:36:34.840 --> 2:36:37.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know him. He's there, i'd but no, he is.

2:36:37.440 --> 2:36:40.320
<v Speaker 1>He hasn't done since Fridays. No one would know he

2:36:40.480 --> 2:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>was long before Curb Your Enthusiasm, etc. Kind of like

2:36:43.840 --> 2:36:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Richard Lewis and I say to him, no, the show

2:36:47.480 --> 2:36:50.640
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been as good since you've been there. Because I

2:36:50.680 --> 2:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>don't want to hear that, I can't say the right thing.

2:36:54.600 --> 2:36:58.039
<v Speaker 2>You never yeah, yeah, yeah. So I always wait until

2:36:58.360 --> 2:37:06.200
<v Speaker 2>it's a just a moment, but a strong moment, and

2:37:06.200 --> 2:37:09.359
<v Speaker 2>it's like goes back to the Springsteen thing. I became

2:37:09.440 --> 2:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>in his presence, the same kid who stood outside the

2:37:12.200 --> 2:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>boardwalk waiting for him to walk by. When I say, if.

2:37:16.920 --> 2:37:20.720
<v Speaker 1>If Bruce were here right now, his read on it

2:37:20.760 --> 2:37:25.360
<v Speaker 1>would be completely different. I mean if you said Bruce Kate.

2:37:25.600 --> 2:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, Bruce passed away. I first heard it. You're

2:37:28.160 --> 2:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>in the room. You interact with Bruce to man, I'm

2:37:31.400 --> 2:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>big fancy one hundred shows, and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, nice,

2:37:34.440 --> 2:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>nice to meet you. Move's next. Okay, that's not what happened.

2:37:38.320 --> 2:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>He knew who we were, he came over. You made

2:37:41.640 --> 2:37:43.760
<v Speaker 1>it mention of a specific song on the show. Not

2:37:43.840 --> 2:37:45.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody even knows that fucking song.

2:37:45.800 --> 2:37:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Right then he.

2:37:46.520 --> 2:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Told a story about the fucking song.

2:37:48.720 --> 2:37:51.240
<v Speaker 2>You're right, You're right. I'm tough on myself.

2:37:52.280 --> 2:37:55.280
<v Speaker 1>You're right, Okay, okay, So anything you're working on now?

2:37:56.480 --> 2:38:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh no. No. My nephew is getting married in a

2:38:03.160 --> 2:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>few weeks and they asked me to be the officiant,

2:38:06.240 --> 2:38:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and I've never done that before. It's funny. Most of

2:38:09.920 --> 2:38:14.439
<v Speaker 2>the comedians when they have a big show, they capitalize

2:38:14.440 --> 2:38:15.600
<v Speaker 2>it and tore off.

2:38:15.360 --> 2:38:18.000
<v Speaker 1>It right right right, Super Bowls Classic.

2:38:18.400 --> 2:38:21.680
<v Speaker 2>So what I'm to doing. I tend to do is

2:38:21.760 --> 2:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>stop these roasts because I don't just perform, I produce.

2:38:28.040 --> 2:38:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I like to take a break, So I'm going to

2:38:29.600 --> 2:38:33.320
<v Speaker 2>take the summer off. I have a couple ideas that

2:38:33.400 --> 2:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I might want to do next, but I'm not ready

2:38:37.440 --> 2:38:42.200
<v Speaker 2>to really dive in yet. And I've given my life.

2:38:42.320 --> 2:38:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I think April first, nineteen eighty nine was my first

2:38:46.200 --> 2:38:47.760
<v Speaker 2>time on stage.

2:38:48.000 --> 2:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>What he did, It's April Fool's Day.

2:38:50.440 --> 2:38:52.320
<v Speaker 2>It was March thirty first, but I didn't get on

2:38:52.440 --> 2:38:55.800
<v Speaker 2>till after midnight. The guy I was with is here

2:38:55.840 --> 2:38:59.480
<v Speaker 2>with me today in the other room. So my life

2:38:59.600 --> 2:39:04.760
<v Speaker 2>really is sort of like I don't have the same

2:39:07.280 --> 2:39:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm competitive and I have a drive, but I don't

2:39:09.320 --> 2:39:14.440
<v Speaker 2>have the same thirst to always capitalize on everything and

2:39:14.560 --> 2:39:20.600
<v Speaker 2>talk about everything like I'm okay going home sometimes and

2:39:20.680 --> 2:39:24.160
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I wish I had, you know, maybe a family

2:39:24.120 --> 2:39:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and wife and kids to go home to, but I

2:39:26.000 --> 2:39:30.240
<v Speaker 2>don't have a German shepherd. But I'm so rich with

2:39:30.400 --> 2:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>love and family and friends and fans that I don't

2:39:35.040 --> 2:39:38.920
<v Speaker 2>always have to have the next thing sitting there. It

2:39:38.959 --> 2:39:41.400
<v Speaker 2>took me a long time to understand that about myself,

2:39:42.840 --> 2:39:49.400
<v Speaker 2>but I think having been sick last year, going through chemo,

2:39:50.920 --> 2:39:59.720
<v Speaker 2>makes me want to make less commitments, make the most

2:39:59.760 --> 2:40:01.640
<v Speaker 2>out the friendships I do have.

2:40:02.000 --> 2:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was asking.

2:40:03.760 --> 2:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>And now I see why you're asking, and now I

2:40:06.000 --> 2:40:14.360
<v Speaker 2>see what it means. And show businesses is one thing.

2:40:15.440 --> 2:40:19.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't consider myself in show business. I consider myself

2:40:19.879 --> 2:40:24.160
<v Speaker 2>in the comedy business. And the comedy business is small.

2:40:25.200 --> 2:40:29.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not only I only work for a few vendors companies,

2:40:32.560 --> 2:40:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of like that. I like to work

2:40:35.640 --> 2:40:43.960
<v Speaker 2>with friends and people I trust and admire, and coming

2:40:44.040 --> 2:40:48.400
<v Speaker 2>off a big show that's a hit, I'm good for

2:40:48.400 --> 2:40:48.760
<v Speaker 2>a while.

2:40:48.879 --> 2:40:51.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like drop the bike bullment, leave it there and

2:40:51.240 --> 2:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>leave it all on stage.

2:40:53.360 --> 2:40:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Kevin Hart. Sixteen million people watched it. Okay, see

2:40:59.760 --> 2:41:00.840
<v Speaker 2>yeh see in the fall.

2:41:02.920 --> 2:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, put a bow on that. One final question. You

2:41:05.200 --> 2:41:10.440
<v Speaker 1>say you're a big music fan. Three favorite albums? Got

2:41:10.480 --> 2:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>a test?

2:41:13.959 --> 2:41:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll go by what I listened to. I listened to

2:41:18.400 --> 2:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>The Clash Springsteen, Miles Davis, The Ramones, and the Broadway

2:41:27.080 --> 2:41:29.320
<v Speaker 2>original soundtrack The man La Mancha.

2:41:30.640 --> 2:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>You grew up with your parents playing the soundtracks? Yeah, yeah,

2:41:34.360 --> 2:41:37.440
<v Speaker 1>this whole thing. Okay, which clash? Do you listen to

2:41:37.840 --> 2:41:41.800
<v Speaker 1>all of it? I can't listen to Combat Rock whatever?

2:41:41.879 --> 2:41:42.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean?

2:41:42.600 --> 2:41:45.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, the last one was the Rock the Cosma.

2:41:45.760 --> 2:41:49.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, the definitive statement is London Calling and Sandinista.

2:41:49.920 --> 2:41:51.959
<v Speaker 1>I stayed up one. I was in a really bad space.

2:41:52.000 --> 2:41:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Listened to all six sides.

2:41:53.120 --> 2:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>And I got it.

2:41:54.200 --> 2:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I love Call Up whatever. Yeah, he the Call Up,

2:42:00.120 --> 2:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Don't Want to Die. It's funny how Joe Strummer got

2:42:02.120 --> 2:42:04.760
<v Speaker 1>all the press because the Mick Jones songs were those

2:42:04.760 --> 2:42:07.600
<v Speaker 1>songs that resonated a little bit more for me. Okay,

2:42:07.680 --> 2:42:09.320
<v Speaker 1>favorite Springsteen album.

2:42:10.280 --> 2:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>My favorite Springsteen song is I'm Having a brain fark

2:42:16.000 --> 2:42:17.920
<v Speaker 2>because we've been sitting here for so long. I can

2:42:18.000 --> 2:42:22.760
<v Speaker 2>understand that. But it's the earlier late. It's from Greetings,

2:42:24.600 --> 2:42:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Spirit in the Night, No, not a hit, hard to

2:42:28.560 --> 2:42:31.240
<v Speaker 2>be saying the city, No, the one where.

2:42:32.560 --> 2:42:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Growing up. It's looking at his phone here doing a

2:42:36.040 --> 2:42:39.039
<v Speaker 1>little research the magic of the internet.

2:42:40.200 --> 2:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>And the internet's off here Greetings. And what I love

2:42:46.480 --> 2:42:50.640
<v Speaker 2>about this song is that Brandon Flowers from The Killers

2:42:51.400 --> 2:42:54.080
<v Speaker 2>has the same favorite song, Lost in the Flood.

2:42:54.760 --> 2:42:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Wow, how'd you get turned on to Springsteen?

2:42:59.000 --> 2:43:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Jersey Gunners Turning Home Hungry? Actually no, I know you

2:43:06.600 --> 2:43:09.840
<v Speaker 2>can't play it, but if you talk about it you can.

2:43:10.080 --> 2:43:16.160
<v Speaker 2>So to me, that's the passing of the torch from

2:43:16.400 --> 2:43:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Dylan to Bruce. There's no big, fancy musical intro. It's

2:43:21.840 --> 2:43:26.600
<v Speaker 2>all poetry. It's all visual, it's realistic, but then there's

2:43:26.680 --> 2:43:30.879
<v Speaker 2>metaphor and you don't see any of it coming, and

2:43:31.400 --> 2:43:36.360
<v Speaker 2>it's dark, and I just love it. Lost in the

2:43:36.360 --> 2:43:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Flood by Bruce is my favorite Bruce song, but I

2:43:40.400 --> 2:43:44.320
<v Speaker 2>don't listen to it as much. The song I listened

2:43:44.360 --> 2:43:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to the most when I was doing Broadway. I would

2:43:48.520 --> 2:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>crank up Manola Mantra and the impossible dream. But also,

2:43:54.320 --> 2:43:57.760
<v Speaker 2>but also I got a feeling from Get Back by

2:43:57.760 --> 2:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>the Beatles. There's just a there. There's just a mood

2:44:01.400 --> 2:44:04.800
<v Speaker 2>there oh yeah, and some gibberish in the middle.

2:44:04.520 --> 2:44:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Of everybody had a good oh yeah.

2:44:06.320 --> 2:44:09.520
<v Speaker 2>But before that that, you know, like before you even

2:44:09.560 --> 2:44:12.320
<v Speaker 2>get to the John Lennon part, there's just some crazy

2:44:12.320 --> 2:44:15.600
<v Speaker 2>stuff in there that doesn't mean anything, but it's a

2:44:15.720 --> 2:44:18.039
<v Speaker 2>feeling and a vibe when I was getting dressed and

2:44:18.080 --> 2:44:22.160
<v Speaker 2>getting miked up that made me happy and put everything outside.

2:44:22.440 --> 2:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's funny we've lived long enough for that song

2:44:25.680 --> 2:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>to be recognized. I remember when an album no one

2:44:28.959 --> 2:44:31.000
<v Speaker 1>ever talked about that song. There are some songs of

2:44:31.040 --> 2:44:33.160
<v Speaker 1>written about this other day that you say, oh, I

2:44:33.160 --> 2:44:35.760
<v Speaker 1>love that song, Noe of now people are aware of it,

2:44:35.840 --> 2:44:40.240
<v Speaker 1>especially all the Beatles. We might favorite Springsteen song, Candy's.

2:44:39.840 --> 2:44:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Rope So good. Yeah, it's so good. The drums kick in,

2:44:44.200 --> 2:44:48.800
<v Speaker 2>and you know these Springsteen concerts that he just did.

2:44:49.760 --> 2:44:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I just got a text today from Little Stevens manager

2:44:52.320 --> 2:44:54.320
<v Speaker 2>inviting me to the Philly show. It's the last show.

2:44:54.360 --> 2:44:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't go. But the fact that I'm somehow a

2:44:58.560 --> 2:45:02.440
<v Speaker 2>part of all this is makes me so happy, Okay.

2:45:03.160 --> 2:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Unlike many comedians, it sounds like you feel like an

2:45:07.480 --> 2:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>insider as opposed to an outsider.

2:45:13.879 --> 2:45:16.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a loaded question. I didn't mean it that way.

2:45:17.879 --> 2:45:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Comedians have to feel like an outsider to I think

2:45:23.640 --> 2:45:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the ven diagram could have adjusted as I became more

2:45:27.760 --> 2:45:34.960
<v Speaker 2>successful or whatever, or respected or inside. But I always

2:45:34.959 --> 2:45:39.440
<v Speaker 2>had a theory that people from New Jersey always feel

2:45:39.480 --> 2:45:43.280
<v Speaker 2>like outsiders because a little bit like Canadians. There's a

2:45:43.320 --> 2:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of Canadian community, but New Jersey growing up. All

2:45:48.480 --> 2:45:51.520
<v Speaker 2>my radio stations where New York radio stations, TV stations,

2:45:51.560 --> 2:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>we're all New York TV stations teams, we're all New

2:45:53.959 --> 2:45:55.840
<v Speaker 2>York teams. So you have a little bit of an

2:45:55.840 --> 2:46:00.040
<v Speaker 2>outsider chip on your shoulder. Canadians, I feel like I

2:46:00.160 --> 2:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>have that with America. That's why the it's so funny,

2:46:03.120 --> 2:46:09.560
<v Speaker 2>observational comedy and your subversive takes on stuff upending the

2:46:09.600 --> 2:46:16.240
<v Speaker 2>status quo. But we want to feel like insiders. I

2:46:16.320 --> 2:46:22.240
<v Speaker 2>want to win a Grammy, but comics aren't rock stars,

2:46:22.959 --> 2:46:24.680
<v Speaker 2>so we have to host the Grammys.

2:46:25.600 --> 2:46:31.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like, let's go back to Springsteam. You

2:46:31.120 --> 2:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>can see on your phone, John Lando invite you. I'm thrilled.

2:46:35.360 --> 2:46:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm an insider. Yeah, let's assume you were in New

2:46:38.879 --> 2:46:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Jersey in the area and you said, oh, Bruce is

2:46:42.040 --> 2:46:45.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna play. Uh, the it's not the Spectrum any or

2:46:45.800 --> 2:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>whatever fucking place it is. I'm gonna email Landa. Would

2:46:49.520 --> 2:46:50.000
<v Speaker 1>you have done that?

2:46:50.879 --> 2:46:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, I went to three shows this month.

2:46:52.959 --> 2:46:57.600
<v Speaker 1>No different issue. No one's reaching out to you. Bruce

2:46:57.680 --> 2:47:01.040
<v Speaker 1>is playing. Yeah, you feel comfortable. Hey, John, I want

2:47:01.040 --> 2:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to come.

2:47:01.440 --> 2:47:04.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know John that well, but there's other people

2:47:04.240 --> 2:47:07.160
<v Speaker 2>in that camp that I would I would reach out to.

2:47:07.280 --> 2:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they charge you, no, because you know most things

2:47:12.560 --> 2:47:14.680
<v Speaker 1>people don't realize. To not be charged, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty close because everything's a no comp show.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I know a lot of the people in

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<v Speaker 2>the band, and now my way in lately has been

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<v Speaker 2>through Little Stevens's team. They will sometimes ask me to

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<v Speaker 2>do stuff for his Teach Rock charity, which I'm happy

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<v Speaker 2>to do because it's a really good cause. But they

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<v Speaker 2>will invite me knowing that they're gonna want payback, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thrilled with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say we live in a big world. There's all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of events. I'm old enough, there's nothing too big

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't miss. Let's assume there's something you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go. There's not a direct connection. Will you say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I am who I am? I have my

2:48:03.240 --> 2:48:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll call or my manager because I want to go.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I get lazy about that, Like right now, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to be at the next games next week, but

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<v Speaker 2>not sure how to do it, so I'll go. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just talk myself out of it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's let's flip it over. If you decided you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go in your hard hearts, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>it could happen? Yeah, okay, and you're not calling because

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere deep inside it's like a little step too far.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you don't want to get shut down. Yeah, and

2:48:38.560 --> 2:48:42.279
<v Speaker 2>there's always a little boy inside there. I was afraid

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<v Speaker 2>to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you're comedian, slightly different culture, but when you're

2:48:47.280 --> 2:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood situations you feel entitled. What I mean, title's

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<v Speaker 1>got a back come of tay you entitled to be there?

2:48:54.800 --> 2:48:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Or does party you ever have imposter syndrome?

2:48:56.800 --> 2:49:04.119
<v Speaker 2>I always have imposters, always, always, always, always, But that's

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<v Speaker 2>like way down there, I have ultimate fomo. Well, I've

2:49:11.640 --> 2:49:14.080
<v Speaker 2>always had the attitude of life is short to get

2:49:14.120 --> 2:49:17.720
<v Speaker 2>hit any minute, don't waste a day. You know, that's

2:49:17.720 --> 2:49:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the theme in the show, but it's also a theme

2:49:19.680 --> 2:49:23.040
<v Speaker 2>in my life. And like I want to be at everything,

2:49:25.280 --> 2:49:28.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, I want to be at everything. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not about imposter syndrome. To me, it's like fomo, I

2:49:30.600 --> 2:49:32.800
<v Speaker 2>don't want to miss it. I go to the super

2:49:32.800 --> 2:49:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Bowl every year. I like going to every parties. When

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<v Speaker 2>then I get that that text from Guile Sirigo and

2:49:41.920 --> 2:49:44.880
<v Speaker 2>the Oscar party, I'm like, I'm still in show business.

2:49:45.840 --> 2:49:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Kiyo Gio thought of me for the party. I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I'm also the guy who will worry about

2:49:52.080 --> 2:49:53.959
<v Speaker 2>what I'm dressed. Do I bring a gift? Like I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be a good guest. I don't show up

2:49:57.080 --> 2:50:00.840
<v Speaker 2>with any kind of entitlement or attitude. I'm not cavalier

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<v Speaker 2>about any of it. And I always want to thank

2:50:03.120 --> 2:50:07.280
<v Speaker 2>you note So I don't feel like entitled to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I earn it every time.

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<v Speaker 1>But and I would not think otherwise. But you can

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<v Speaker 1>be in a situation where it's one thing you walk

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<v Speaker 1>in there, Oh Jeff, so good to see you, blah

2:50:19.440 --> 2:50:21.880
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. You could be in a situation where are

2:50:21.920 --> 2:50:24.880
<v Speaker 1>there and you're not the center of attention, no one's

2:50:24.920 --> 2:50:28.920
<v Speaker 1>really paying attention. Are you comfortable? Or you're waiting for

2:50:28.959 --> 2:50:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the interaction, and you find yourself turning it on, Just

2:50:32.920 --> 2:50:35.480
<v Speaker 1>like with Bruce, I'm anxious. I'm kinda you know, I'm

2:50:35.480 --> 2:50:37.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna turn it on a little bit, try to impress

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<v Speaker 1>them and sort of earn my keep here.

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<v Speaker 2>I sometimes feel pressure like that. Yeah, you know, am

2:50:45.760 --> 2:50:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I invited here because they expect me to grab the

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<v Speaker 2>mic and say something funny. But I'm also not so

2:50:55.879 --> 2:51:02.960
<v Speaker 2>insecure or I can't accept that. I observed older comedians

2:51:04.440 --> 2:51:07.200
<v Speaker 2>so much as a young comic the Friars Club that

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<v Speaker 2>I learned where the pitfalls.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the word that could be?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where you go where the pitfalls are.

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<v Speaker 2>One time I was walking down the street in New

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<v Speaker 2>York and you know who Pat Cooper was? Yeah, Pat

2:51:24.600 --> 2:51:27.600
<v Speaker 2>was walking down across the street and I spotted him

2:51:27.640 --> 2:51:31.360
<v Speaker 2>and Pat and I ran over to say hi. He

2:51:31.480 --> 2:51:33.280
<v Speaker 2>was walking down and he was in a bad mood.

2:51:35.160 --> 2:51:37.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, he was pissed off about something.

2:51:38.240 --> 2:51:38.640
<v Speaker 1>What is it?

2:51:38.680 --> 2:51:40.480
<v Speaker 2>What is it? What's the matter? He goes, Oh, I

2:51:40.480 --> 2:51:42.800
<v Speaker 2>got invited to some party and then I show up

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<v Speaker 2>and I was eleven guys there, and I'm the fucking

2:51:45.720 --> 2:51:48.959
<v Speaker 2>entertainer and theymembinea and I fucked that guy. I didn't.

2:51:49.120 --> 2:51:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was just being invited, remember, and and

2:51:54.720 --> 2:51:58.480
<v Speaker 2>uh that was sympathetic. I understood where he was coming from.

2:51:58.760 --> 2:52:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I've been in that situation. But I also go, yeah,

2:52:03.560 --> 2:52:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm never gonna let people have that kind of control

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<v Speaker 2>over my mood. I remember other comics getting mad about

2:52:16.000 --> 2:52:20.400
<v Speaker 2>people stopping them on the street for an autograph when

2:52:20.400 --> 2:52:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I was a beginner, and I said, oh, I'm never

2:52:24.080 --> 2:52:28.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna And I remember seeing like comics, you know, famous

2:52:28.200 --> 2:52:31.759
<v Speaker 2>actors with their hat and sunglasses trying to be incognito.

2:52:32.640 --> 2:52:41.199
<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing a famous actor, the Chief from Barney Miller,

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<v Speaker 2>like get annoyed by a fan who's on a mood

2:52:46.120 --> 2:52:49.240
<v Speaker 2>waiting online for a movie. These are vague memories with

2:52:49.320 --> 2:52:52.320
<v Speaker 2>his wife and getting annoyed. Did somebody talk to him?

2:52:53.040 --> 2:52:55.640
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what is the point of being

2:52:55.760 --> 2:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>famous if the fans are controlling your mood? So when

2:53:02.000 --> 2:53:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I go out in public, I don't need a hat

2:53:05.600 --> 2:53:08.400
<v Speaker 2>in sunglasses. You want to talk to me? How you doing?

2:53:08.600 --> 2:53:11.080
<v Speaker 2>I walk through Washington Square Park I'm happy to take

2:53:11.080 --> 2:53:14.720
<v Speaker 2>a picture. If I can't, I politely say why I can't,

2:53:15.080 --> 2:53:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't. But unless they're touching my head or acting

2:53:19.520 --> 2:53:24.760
<v Speaker 2>disrespectful or interrupting, I'm cool with all of it. You

2:53:24.840 --> 2:53:29.320
<v Speaker 2>would invite me to the party because I'm the funny one. Okay.

2:53:30.200 --> 2:53:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I could also get there and then decide I don't

2:53:32.600 --> 2:53:36.720
<v Speaker 2>want to be funny. It's up to me. I don't

2:53:36.760 --> 2:53:39.240
<v Speaker 2>let people have that kind of power over my mood.

2:53:40.120 --> 2:53:43.280
<v Speaker 2>There's no point in doing all this and then not

2:53:43.320 --> 2:53:49.480
<v Speaker 2>being happy. So why are you so well adjusted? I

2:53:49.480 --> 2:53:52.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know that. I don't know. I don't really talk

2:53:52.240 --> 2:53:55.040
<v Speaker 2>to their shrink munch. I don't really, So what does

2:53:55.120 --> 2:54:02.120
<v Speaker 2>push your buttons? When somebody breaks the bonds of the

2:54:02.160 --> 2:54:07.680
<v Speaker 2>trust of a friendship that kids me. That's when I

2:54:07.720 --> 2:54:11.880
<v Speaker 2>get hurt. That's when I clawed my nails. That's when

2:54:11.879 --> 2:54:14.959
<v Speaker 2>I get stressed out. That's when I feel a fucking

2:54:15.720 --> 2:54:17.240
<v Speaker 2>tumor growing in my colon.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to paint it, you know a million people in

2:54:20.959 --> 2:54:25.039
<v Speaker 1>an average day. You're not technically working, you're not doing

2:54:25.040 --> 2:54:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a gig or whatever. How much contact do you have

2:54:27.440 --> 2:54:30.119
<v Speaker 1>the friends every day? Are you like texting constantly.

2:54:30.840 --> 2:54:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Always I talk to everybody every day.

2:54:34.959 --> 2:54:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you actually literally talk on the phone.

2:54:37.520 --> 2:54:42.960
<v Speaker 2>FaceTime, text phone. Four buddies came over last night after

2:54:43.000 --> 2:54:47.400
<v Speaker 2>my colonoscopy. I got a buddy with me here. Today.

2:54:47.959 --> 2:54:52.000
<v Speaker 2>We're going to my friend Bernie Shine's birthday party tonight.

2:54:52.120 --> 2:54:55.119
<v Speaker 2>I personally bringing six friends that I haven't seen because

2:54:55.120 --> 2:54:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I've been in New York for two weeks. Tomorrow is

2:54:58.440 --> 2:55:02.040
<v Speaker 2>another big party that I I that I am really

2:55:02.040 --> 2:55:02.920
<v Speaker 2>looking forward to.

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<v Speaker 1>You never have any social anxiety, You never get burned outside.

2:55:06.160 --> 2:55:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I got to stay home. There was too much socialization,

2:55:09.480 --> 2:55:13.080
<v Speaker 1>rarely on that note. I know you wanted to end

2:55:13.160 --> 2:55:14.039
<v Speaker 1>like an hour ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I am very much enjoyed this well, as I say,

2:55:18.280 --> 2:55:19.640
<v Speaker 2>anybody who got through this.

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<v Speaker 1>No they I once, did you know Dwight? Yoakum, yeah

2:55:23.560 --> 2:55:24.080
<v Speaker 1>you know them?

2:55:24.280 --> 2:55:24.360
<v Speaker 2>No?

2:55:25.040 --> 2:55:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, then I won't go deep. I mean I knew Dwight.

2:55:29.440 --> 2:55:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Dwight was going on, and then I realized, I'm just

2:55:33.160 --> 2:55:35.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna let it go. And he went on for four hours,

2:55:35.840 --> 2:55:39.120
<v Speaker 1>and I said, either people can listen to a second

2:55:39.320 --> 2:55:39.480
<v Speaker 1>like a.

2:55:39.600 --> 2:55:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Here's why I worked, Here's why I worked. I've done

2:55:42.800 --> 2:55:47.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of interviews, not just about this show, but

2:55:47.560 --> 2:55:51.680
<v Speaker 2>I've been on a morning radio and podcasts and TV

2:55:52.160 --> 2:55:57.720
<v Speaker 2>and thirty something years of this, and you alluded to

2:55:57.760 --> 2:55:59.840
<v Speaker 2>this in the beginning, but you didn't really hit what

2:55:59.879 --> 2:56:05.600
<v Speaker 2>was happening. And I've listened to your shows before. You

2:56:05.920 --> 2:56:09.600
<v Speaker 2>stopped interviewing me within five minutes and we started having

2:56:09.600 --> 2:56:13.720
<v Speaker 2>a conversation. And that's why we're able to go for

2:56:13.840 --> 2:56:16.520
<v Speaker 2>three hours. If you were interviewing me and I was

2:56:16.600 --> 2:56:21.879
<v Speaker 2>answering you, this would have gotten really dull quick. But

2:56:22.000 --> 2:56:26.760
<v Speaker 2>because you're sharing. You'd mentioned your father, you mentioned your history,

2:56:26.840 --> 2:56:31.279
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned your friends, you mentioned leukemia. Once you start

2:56:31.320 --> 2:56:35.520
<v Speaker 2>doing that, that allows me to do that without feeling

2:56:35.600 --> 2:56:38.840
<v Speaker 2>like I'm being interrogated or giving content that I might

2:56:38.879 --> 2:56:42.440
<v Speaker 2>want to say for some other show or whatever. I'm

2:56:42.440 --> 2:56:44.880
<v Speaker 2>not saying that's what was happening, But I think because

2:56:44.879 --> 2:56:49.560
<v Speaker 2>we had a conversation today and not in an interview,

2:56:51.240 --> 2:56:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I think we really had a real cathartic bonding, interesting

2:56:59.200 --> 2:56:59.879
<v Speaker 2>three hours.

2:57:00.600 --> 2:57:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess. For me, my viewpoint on the podcast is

2:57:05.720 --> 2:57:07.840
<v Speaker 1>listeners know who I am, and they want to hear

2:57:07.920 --> 2:57:11.520
<v Speaker 1>from the guests, So I don't want to put myself

2:57:11.600 --> 2:57:15.119
<v Speaker 1>in most Okay, I already said that, but I'm reemphasized again.

2:57:16.000 --> 2:57:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I talked to my shrink today. Okay, I went through

2:57:19.440 --> 2:57:22.640
<v Speaker 1>something really bad, like thirty five years ago. It's a

2:57:22.680 --> 2:57:26.680
<v Speaker 1>long time, but whatever, and I found my personality changed.

2:57:26.720 --> 2:57:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I used to talk all the time, and then I

2:57:29.840 --> 2:57:32.720
<v Speaker 1>listened more. I'm gonna jump ahead because otherwise we'll be

2:57:32.720 --> 2:57:37.760
<v Speaker 1>here for another three hours. So unlike a lot of people,

2:57:37.800 --> 2:57:41.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm hearing from people all day long online. Okay, so

2:57:42.080 --> 2:57:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't like to talk to anybody on the phone.

2:57:44.400 --> 2:57:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Here's my favorite story on this. Peter gross Slide, who's

2:57:47.480 --> 2:57:49.720
<v Speaker 1>long longer with us, was ill. He was a music

2:57:49.760 --> 2:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>agent at WMA and Ari ran WMA and his brother

2:57:56.320 --> 2:58:01.800
<v Speaker 1>was chief of staff for Obama. Had an illness that

2:58:01.879 --> 2:58:05.840
<v Speaker 1>they could not figure out, and he finally said, Ari,

2:58:05.920 --> 2:58:07.600
<v Speaker 1>can I talk to your brother to get it studied

2:58:07.600 --> 2:58:11.039
<v Speaker 1>by the CDC. The year went by before we.

2:58:11.000 --> 2:58:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Got to this point. This was not the first ask, and.

2:58:14.640 --> 2:58:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Ultimately Ari's okay, here's the number call he called. Ari

2:58:18.280 --> 2:58:20.359
<v Speaker 1>picked up the phone, Uh, rom picked.

2:58:20.240 --> 2:58:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Up the phocos.

2:58:21.160 --> 2:58:24.200
<v Speaker 1>What do you need? That's why I won't talk to

2:58:24.240 --> 2:58:27.200
<v Speaker 1>people on the phone. Yeah, you're asking me about this.

2:58:27.520 --> 2:58:31.879
<v Speaker 1>Just get to the ask first. Those are the business people.

2:58:31.879 --> 2:58:33.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was. I know where it's people. Oh

2:58:33.360 --> 2:58:36.480
<v Speaker 1>we gotta we got to meet in person, because no, no, no, no, no, no,

2:58:36.480 --> 2:58:38.320
<v Speaker 1>no tell me. I don't want to tell what it is.

2:58:38.520 --> 2:58:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Tell me what it is you, Mike, time is valuable.

2:58:41.879 --> 2:58:45.039
<v Speaker 1>The other thing is, I know a lot of people

2:58:45.760 --> 2:58:47.440
<v Speaker 1>you put it di, I had a nickel before you

2:58:47.480 --> 2:58:50.360
<v Speaker 1>put a dime in the jukebox. They never ask you

2:58:50.400 --> 2:58:53.520
<v Speaker 1>about yourself, and it just if it's one thing if

2:58:53.520 --> 2:58:59.039
<v Speaker 1>we're talking to the Knicks, but for me to be able

2:58:59.360 --> 2:59:06.720
<v Speaker 1>to talk and feel that someone hears me, I don't

2:59:06.760 --> 2:59:09.800
<v Speaker 1>have enough people in my life where I feel I

2:59:09.840 --> 2:59:14.360
<v Speaker 1>can do that. That's a gross and I have very

2:59:14.360 --> 2:59:17.640
<v Speaker 1>few people I can do that with and that so

2:59:17.760 --> 2:59:19.959
<v Speaker 1>this is a weird kind of thing because about you.

2:59:20.360 --> 2:59:25.400
<v Speaker 1>But if I can talk about these things, that's what

2:59:25.520 --> 2:59:28.440
<v Speaker 1>makes listen. I've bet a It's like jo I'm in

2:59:28.480 --> 2:59:31.720
<v Speaker 1>a million rock stars whatever. That's fun. You want to

2:59:31.760 --> 2:59:35.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like a connection, like oh yeah, the person knew

2:59:35.080 --> 2:59:37.080
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying and they got it. They don't have

2:59:37.120 --> 2:59:38.960
<v Speaker 1>to do anything with it, et cetera.

2:59:39.200 --> 2:59:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I just realized why. It's because of the show. Me

2:59:44.760 --> 2:59:49.120
<v Speaker 2>being vulnerable in the show, take a banana for the ride.

2:59:49.240 --> 2:59:55.959
<v Speaker 2>Sounds dirty, it's not allows you to feel like not

2:59:56.120 --> 3:00:00.080
<v Speaker 2>feel like you know me even though we're meeting today.

3:00:01.720 --> 3:00:06.120
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's why I wanted to come on.

3:00:06.680 --> 3:00:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Because of what you wrote about the show. I said, Oh,

3:00:08.959 --> 3:00:11.560
<v Speaker 2>he gets it. He not just he gets it as

3:00:11.600 --> 3:00:14.680
<v Speaker 2>a piece of entertainment, but you get it as a

3:00:14.720 --> 3:00:20.840
<v Speaker 2>piece of philosophy. And that I think gave you permission

3:00:21.879 --> 3:00:25.279
<v Speaker 2>in your own head to be a little more vulnerable.

3:00:25.360 --> 3:00:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Let's call it vulnerable about your life and and and

3:00:31.000 --> 3:00:31.560
<v Speaker 2>and share.

3:00:31.920 --> 3:00:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, I just to be clear, because there's the issue

3:00:34.280 --> 3:00:36.040
<v Speaker 1>of vulnerability.

3:00:35.440 --> 3:00:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Because because everyone who's seeing the show is people write

3:00:45.000 --> 3:00:48.119
<v Speaker 2>me and stop me about the show. They don't necessarily

3:00:48.160 --> 3:00:49.920
<v Speaker 2>talk to me about the show. They talked to me,

3:00:50.040 --> 3:00:53.760
<v Speaker 2>start telling me their stories exactly. And I'm not sure

3:00:53.800 --> 3:00:55.720
<v Speaker 2>why you're the critic. I'm not.

3:01:00.000 --> 3:01:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Experience, so by talking to you, there's not the line

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<v Speaker 1>between vulnerable and guarded. That's not my issue. I've told

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<v Speaker 1>everybody I've written everything about my life. My life's an

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<v Speaker 1>open book. My thing is if I'm talking, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>other person going to be concentrating on me. He's going

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<v Speaker 1>to hear what I have to say, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're on the phone with people and all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden they start running the water and they're slamming. They

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<v Speaker 1>think I stopped talking, you know. So the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>it's a mutual thing, maybe an artificial situation, that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wouldn't have been going saying those things if

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't seen the special because I realize you have

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<v Speaker 1>that side of your personality, and that's what touched me.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a very long meeting with you'll know who

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<v Speaker 1>it is. So if I qualify, let's just say someone

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<v Speaker 1>very powerful and went on for three and a half hours.

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<v Speaker 1>And he remarks at the end, you know, listing off

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<v Speaker 1>of a number of famous people. Say, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>I go be on a half hour of these people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, forget it. Okay, And I'm the same way

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<v Speaker 1>most people. I can't talk at all, but if I clicked,

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<v Speaker 1>I could talk forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, It's like a good date. We had a good date, Bob. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>I really thought you'd be cuter in person. But we

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<v Speaker 2>had a good date.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what I say? And I got to leave the

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<v Speaker 1>qualifaication out I did the other day when I said

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<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend's family Norman Lear was a good friend and

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<v Speaker 1>when you'd be at a party with him, he'd be

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<v Speaker 1>walking out. He'd always say, to be continued. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that till next time. This is bob lefs it