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Speaker 1: S T L I T E dot com. Oh for months,

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Speaker 1: all summer, all last summer. Still now, I've been working

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Speaker 1: on a new project that I haven't talked about before.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a little bit. It was Secrety, but

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Speaker 1: it's no longer Secrety. I did a new show. I'm

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Speaker 1: doing a new show with History Channel, which premieres Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: January twenty eighth at ten pm Eastern. Okay, So we

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Speaker 1: filmed eight one hour standalone episodes of a new show

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Speaker 1: called Hunting History with Steven Ranella, and we dive into

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Speaker 1: eight what we call outdoor mysteries. Okay, So the premiere

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Speaker 1: episode has to do with details surrounding the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: the skyjacker dB Cooper. So the only unsolved skyjacking in

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Speaker 1: American history. We dive into the disappearance of D. B. Cooper.

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Speaker 1: We're doing an episode on the lost colony of Rono.

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Speaker 1: We did an episode on one that was close to

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Speaker 1: home to me. Is that kind of blows my mind.

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Speaker 1: The first ship, okay, the first ship ever built to

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Speaker 1: heard of a dude named lasl like Lasal was the

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Speaker 1: Mississippi down to the goldf of Mexico. Well, Lasol built

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Speaker 1: this ship above Niagara Falls, a fur trading vessel. Okay,

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Speaker 1: in sixteen hundreds. That thing's missing. And what's crazy is

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Speaker 1: there's still people trying to look. A competitive search of

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Speaker 1: people still trying to look for and find his missing ship,

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Speaker 1: which is somewhere in the Great Lakes called the Griffin.

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Speaker 1: Did an episode on that, did an episode around first

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Speaker 1: humans in North America. So check it out. Hunting History

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Speaker 1: premieres on the History Channel at ten pm Eastern on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: January twenty eight. Thank you, cal.

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Speaker 2: If you were if someone were to ask you, uh,

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Speaker 2: come on, what political office guy Fieri holds of what town?

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Speaker 3: What would you say?

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Speaker 4: Boy, it'd be awesome if it was like health inspector.

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Speaker 3: No, no, what town?

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Speaker 1: What what town?

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Speaker 5: The contentious language was elected official, elected official.

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Speaker 1: We all know he's it's it's it's it's just I

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Speaker 1: wasn't even there is the mayor, he's the mayor of

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Speaker 1: Flavor Town. But if he says elected official, he has

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Speaker 1: to admit that it was wrong. How many points did

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Speaker 1: you win by?

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Speaker 6: One point one?

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Speaker 7: So?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the game, I said, I if we

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Speaker 2: if we were to ask, uh, what animal is the

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Speaker 1: The elected king of the jungle? I mean, it's that's what.

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Speaker 1: It's a bad analogy, man, It's not the same. What

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Speaker 1: if turn the machine on Phil machines? Okay, ladies and gentlemen, Now,

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Speaker 1: non of this happens where we start a show and

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Speaker 3: In the race.

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Speaker 1: In the old days, we would just start. No one

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Speaker 1: even knew when it started. Phil wasn't even born yet.

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Speaker 1: Now we started, don't we feel?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. I think it. It introduces a lot

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Speaker 1: When I just hom it, you're contradicting what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: What does I think people like when you say, like

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Speaker 1: Moments ago, in this very studio, I wasn't there for it.

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Speaker 1: There was a trivia tournament. In the trivia tournament, the

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Speaker 1: he's like the other side of the fight. Can you

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Speaker 1: do the question, Phil, just for listeners, so me inner trivia.

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Speaker 1: We've got a great show coming up for you today,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, and me inater tribute. It was just

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Speaker 5: Yes, the official wording was rock star chef Guy Fieri

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Speaker 1: Okay, Randall says, flavor tone o. Everybody else has a

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Speaker 3: When I think of Guy Fieri.

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Speaker 1: It's not fiery for starters, it's Fietti, Like there's a

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Speaker 5: This is the Sicilian coming out and Steve right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, when I think of Guy, when I think

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Speaker 1: That's his nickname.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you, if you, if.

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Speaker 2: You pull up his bio on Instagram, it's the first

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Speaker 1: So I think a better question would Brooks. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: Brad Books came up from from Idaho to talk about this.

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Speaker 8: A lot of people say that about me, Steve. A

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Speaker 8: better question would have been, like, what is his trademark

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Speaker 1: Denotes yes, governmental position?

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Speaker 3: But I think that would have.

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Speaker 3: This is fun. This is a fun question.

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Speaker 1: It's not what if.

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Speaker 4: You said one place is a state of mind where

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Speaker 1: And he's the and he's the and what position does

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Speaker 1: he get into politics? I would be thinking, oh, Margaritaville.

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Speaker 4: Fieri is downtown.

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Speaker 3: It's tongue in.

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Speaker 5: Not in Montana.

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Speaker 1: And was it rigged?

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Speaker 3: I think Spencer. I think Spence Cumban.

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Speaker 2: He made a clumsy attempt to not use the word

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Speaker 1: Here's where the problem comes up to me, and we'll

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Speaker 1: get on the show eventually, right, Just punt it crindles,

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Speaker 1: Just punt. The episode will stay on this for two hours.

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Speaker 1: The problem for means up being that he used such

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Speaker 2: So that's what I said to That's what I said

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Speaker 8: I thought he was like an honorary doctorate, like some

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Speaker 1: And that's what'd you write down? Atlantic City? Why that?

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Speaker 8: I just, can I be honest, pulled out of my ass.

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Speaker 1: He reached into his button. Atlantic City was in there.

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Speaker 2: I initially thought Flavortown because that's the only word I

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Speaker 1: I would have had you know that there's a sports expression,

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Speaker 1: but leaving it all on the field. Yeah, I'd left

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Speaker 2: I think everybody in the room at in the moment

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Speaker 2: it's good that you weren't there, because there was quite

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Speaker 1: Yannis almost quit.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he almost walked out, almost walked out.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would have done that with him, like a

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Speaker 4: and so now I'm gonna be like, now, who would

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Speaker 1: I always you know when you're doing a protest and

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Speaker 1: I can picture a protest where you're not gonna leave,

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Speaker 1: but a protest where you leave what you chant, I don't.

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Speaker 2: It depends on what you're leaving, Like if you're leaving

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Speaker 2: You know, if you march off of a vehicle that's

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Speaker 2: Still holds Ye, that's true, because it's leaving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Brooklyn, House Business, bend Man, we're getting I'm starting

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Speaker 1: the actual show now, Philip, you didn't like any of that,

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Speaker 1: you can start the machine now.

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Speaker 5: It's all standing.

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Speaker 1: Introduce yourself Brooklyn like Brooklyn or brook better, doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Where's your new job at though you

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Speaker 10: At meet your flagship store.

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Speaker 1: Do you like working down there? Oh? Yeah you do?

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Speaker 1: Do you feeld a lot of dumb questions when you're

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Speaker 5: What's the hot gossip down there?

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Speaker 9: I'm not really sure, to be honest, a lot of

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Speaker 9: people think it's a restaurant, Is that right? Yeah, Like

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Speaker 1: They'll be like, I have a five o'clock reservation.

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Speaker 9: Well, they'll like walk in and they just kind of

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Speaker 4: Out next time, go are you ready to be seated?

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Speaker 4: And then just walk them back to the TV.

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Speaker 1: And you don't try to sell them when that happens.

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Speaker 1: You don't try to sell them something real quick, no.

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Speaker 1: You can tell like that person didn't know what they

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Speaker 1: were coming. When you're down there, do you engage with

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Speaker 1: the customers?

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Speaker 10: Oh? Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Someone was across the street and overheard a passerby saying,

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Speaker 2: I bet that place is good steaks.

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Speaker 1: Pence they do. So how many hours are you working

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Speaker 10: Just a couple of days a week. I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: Okay, And then you're still running your school cleaning business,

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Speaker 1: and that you've been on the show before about your

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Speaker 1: school cleaning business. Yeah, here you have my daughter's buck

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Speaker 1: from this year, impeccably clean. Can I take a look

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Speaker 1: In fact, Brooklyn was set to come on the show

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Speaker 1: a week ago and didn't do it because she is

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Speaker 1: too much perhaps too much of a perfectionist, and didn't

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Speaker 1: not over boiled. I can tell you that.

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Speaker 4: No obvious residues sticking to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't make it that. This is all crumbly

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Speaker 10: Yeah? I am really busy, really busy.

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Speaker 1: You got a lot of work.

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Speaker 1: Is it bad that you hear because you don't want

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Speaker 1: Yep. Uh, we're gonna pass us around and we're going

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Speaker 5: You can talk to yourself.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: Ham radio operators and Bradley Fighting vehicle people will forever

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Speaker 6: What about him protest if you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he called me saying over Now he's like

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Speaker 1: No, you say, yeah, say something. I can't see you.

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Speaker 10: He's around the radio A four six bone works over.

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Speaker 8: Out click, yep, hey, Brook, Can I say I think

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Speaker 8: you're I think you should charge more for your work.

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Speaker 1: This is like, it's not your turn to comment.

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Speaker 1: Ate came to me and said he also came to

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Speaker 1: he says, it's a lot better to go negative five

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Speaker 1: how is the restaurant one picture that it's a negative five?

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Speaker 10: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 1: So he's like, don't do one to ten, negative five

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Speaker 1: You're gonna assess the work negative.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brad, I'd also hold that comment. I have a

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Speaker 1: Respect after a respectable period of time for for Randall

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got a question for you, Brooke about So

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Speaker 7: just I don't know. There's so I've got a second

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Speaker 7: I don't know what do you call it, like filament

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Speaker 10: I just called those curls or a nasel.

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Speaker 7: Cab, Like what would you what would you do for

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Speaker 7: like a kyo? Would you like poke those out because

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Speaker 9: So I was actually after my last podcast, the guy

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Speaker 1: From bear to charging him for a muskrat.

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Speaker 9: I can't remember because I have never done It was

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Speaker 9: like forty Gabe good.

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Speaker 8: Okay, so we're going to go around the room for

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Speaker 8: I give you a four.

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Speaker 1: Mostly was nine.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and then part of that will just say that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cold just turn eighteen. Yeah, so if you have

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Speaker 1: what the hell would you wake up for tomorrow?

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Speaker 10: True?

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Speaker 1: Now you know what it's like to be one of

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Speaker 6: I'm just going to totally disagree. I think it's a five.

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Speaker 6: I think we should tell everybody it's a five. And

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Speaker 6: I agree with Brad, you should be charging more.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I listen, I'm into her for twent one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty four. I guess it's not gonna change. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna proact, You're not gonna retroactively.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying I paid like one hundred and fifty bucks

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Speaker 6: twenty nineteen, and inflation's been rampant. That's all we've heard

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Speaker 6: about in entire right now.

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Speaker 1: This is this is toppling administrations.

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Speaker 6: It's toppling. So you should be raising your prices by

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Speaker 6: thirty forty and you turned that around in a week.

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Speaker 6: There should be an date.

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Speaker 1: The normal thing is they're like, uh, you know, my

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Speaker 1: know what help went, Like, you call the guy that's

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Speaker 1: fixing your shoes and it's been like three years. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm just finishing them up right now. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: but the turnaround time is amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I try to keep it.

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Speaker 9: I mean like I'm a hunter myself, and so I know, like,

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Speaker 9: you want your stuff back, you want your head back.

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Speaker 9: That and I don't like all of the heads stinking

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Speaker 9: done as fast as you can so they don't.

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Speaker 10: Stink up my griage.

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Speaker 1: This is your parents' gridge too, right, How do they

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Speaker 9: I recently started getting into more tanning, and so I

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Speaker 1: This year, overheads going up to me.

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Speaker 9: So within the couple years they will Yeah, everyone.

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Speaker 6: Tells me to and expedited pricing turn around a week.

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Speaker 1: One thought about that charging for the prompt.

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Speaker 6: No, that's smart day.

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Speaker 1: If you said to me, let's say you stick stuck

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Speaker 1: you're just like making up. It could have been more

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Speaker 1: I'd been like, ye, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Do that mm hmmah.

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Speaker 1: And you don't even have to tell them that you

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Speaker 10: True.

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Speaker 1: Then the guy that doesn't pay for it, he's gonna think,

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Speaker 1: my god, imagine if I had paid for it, how

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Speaker 1: fast it would have been?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Randall, Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm a mixed opinion here.

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Speaker 2: Initially my initial reaction was a four because I have

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Speaker 2: think I think of these things similar to Brad. You

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Speaker 3: I think it looks fantastic.

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Speaker 1: He'd be like I would. I would have liked the

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Speaker 1: antlers to get bigger. Yeah, what do you charge for that?

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Speaker 1: How much does that cost? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean it looks great.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't stink, it's clean, it's bright.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: We should all be so lucky to have a deer

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Speaker 1: Damn straight.

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Speaker 7: She gets a five from me. I know she's super

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Speaker 7: detail oriented about it. Here about it from her mom

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Speaker 1: She likes picking Oh, yeah, what's the business called again? Forks,

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Speaker 1: I'd called straight fives.

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Speaker 3: Out of and then parentheses.

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Speaker 7: You can add four and zero and six and be

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Speaker 7: like eleven.

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Speaker 1: That's the top. I'd rather send it to a place

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Speaker 1: that gets all tense. But well, hold on, it started

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Speaker 4: I got a charge for you, okay, And I think

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Speaker 4: you yeah, for a couple bucks extra, I will apply something.

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Speaker 4: You'll have to figure this part out to the nose

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Speaker 4: area that your dog will not chew on it.

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Speaker 5: Many many.

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Speaker 2: The sour apple spray you get like the sour apple spray.

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Speaker 4: Many a good animal has been had its face chewed

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Speaker 1: And I've told you I'm sorry many times about my

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Speaker 10: Ryan.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. This pulls you into chemistry.

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Speaker 10: You can try vinegar.

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Speaker 2: I always called it the unintentional skullplate conversion, like it

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Speaker 1: Skullplate Now, dude, yeah, I had one. I had a

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Speaker 1: on one end and someone opens the door on the

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Speaker 1: other end, and that thing has more times uh boom

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Speaker 1: falling down. And now it's basically like it's like it's

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Speaker 1: gotten a lot smaller.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's.

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Speaker 1: Pieces of boat. I come home, you know, and on

449
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Speaker 1: my desk are a little chunks of bob.

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Speaker 4: And there's no point in an antelope euro amount if.

451
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Speaker 5: The nose is chewed off.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like, it's just.

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Speaker 5: Not yeah, there's nothing.

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Speaker 1: This is what happened to yours.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this has had to have happened to your animals.

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Speaker 1: You had it sounds like you guys have some I

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Speaker 1: had that was last Are you still bitter about this?

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Speaker 5: No, I'm sound still.

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Speaker 1: You sound like you have said about it.

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Speaker 8: So what happened, just to clear the air is Ryan

461
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Speaker 8: shot a very nice buck.

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Speaker 1: I took it home.

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Speaker 8: I had a new puppy, and she got into both

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Speaker 8: our deer. But she chewed more of Brian's nose than mine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The crazy thing is she opened the door where the

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Speaker 4: skulls were, got into the secured area where they were

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Speaker 4: because you know, obviously you wouldn't put them someplace where

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Speaker 4: a puppy could get to them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, so a very special dog. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've always said she's smart. I remember this happening. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is all coming back to me. I remember this happening.

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Speaker 1: I remember hearing about this before.

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Speaker 5: I feel like it's a very common thing.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, it would be a great way for you to

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Speaker 4: be like, yeah, your mouth's done.

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Speaker 5: For a couple extra bucks.

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Speaker 1: For forty bucks, you'll dip it in like whatever the

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Speaker 1: hell dogs happen.

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Speaker 2: That's what happened to Uh, that's what happened to Chile's

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Speaker 2: first antelope. Yeah, his roommate's dog.

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Speaker 1: You know what you might put on there. They make

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Speaker 1: this thing for little kids. I didn't know about this.

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Speaker 1: You know, if a kid winds up chewing his fingernails

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Speaker 1: too much, Yeah, they make this ship you put on

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Speaker 1: his fingernails and they about vomit. Really, Yeah, it's bad,

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Speaker 1: So you take you tell him I need forty bucks

489
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Speaker 1: to dog proof it. Put that shit all over it

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Speaker 1: unless something tastes it. They don't know, and that dog

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Speaker 1: gets his tongue on that. You got a dog, I

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Speaker 1: do get a bottle of this stuff and swab his

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Speaker 1: tongue with it and see what he does.

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Speaker 2: The only thing is my dog's like throwing up. Just

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Speaker 2: based on the frequency with which they do it, I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure that would be a huge deterrent.

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Speaker 10: Try that, well, do I've never heard of that.

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Speaker 1: I have a dog. I'll put it on my own

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Speaker 1: dog and I'll report back to you. Okay, but she

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Speaker 1: just had surgery, so I'm gonna wait till she feels better.

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Speaker 1: She's very depressed. She's gotten wrong with that humiliating cone on.

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Speaker 1: It's all the things she normally does she can't do.

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Speaker 1: She thinks she's in trouble constantly because like she can't

504
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Speaker 1: do any of the fun stuff she does. She's totally depressed.

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Speaker 1: She's probably gonna kill herself later. I'll hit her with

506
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Speaker 1: that stuff right now, right now, it'd be like it'd

507
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Speaker 1: be like too much, it'd be too much. She jump

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Speaker 1: off a dog cliff. Yeah uh, thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 1: Remind people how to find you. You can stay and

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Speaker 1: hang out, but remind people how to find.

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Speaker 9: You through Instagram for our six Bone works or just

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Speaker 9: word of mouth. Really, people have my phone number and

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Speaker 9: just I don't want to put my phone number out there.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, don't, but put it out there like this,

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Speaker 1: go like put it out there, like here's how to

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Speaker 1: find me? By god?

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Speaker 10: What is it through Instagram?

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Speaker 1: Okay? And they do what just message me? Okay? So

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Speaker 1: message Brook at Instagram, find her on Instagram at.

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Speaker 10: Four O six bone works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, support young business, American entrepreneurship. How do you say

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Speaker 1: that word? Entrepreneurship, preneurship American elbow, grease real entrepreneurs straight fives,

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Speaker 1: yep and uh and and keep keep hope your business

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Speaker 1: keys blooming.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: There was the thing we're gonna talk about by kind

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Speaker 1: of want to get to the main subject. Brody. The

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Speaker 1: other day we're doing the live show and we were

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Speaker 1: doing our thing about where you indefensible law, Like if

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Speaker 1: you could just make a law that's totally indefensible, but

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Speaker 1: it would satisfy some pet peeve. Brody was saying, why

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Speaker 1: he's floating, maybe it should maybe it would be illegal

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Speaker 1: to catch and release fish, And we had to laugh

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Speaker 1: about that, and then someone wrote in and says, in Germany,

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Speaker 1: in most parts of Germany it is el it is

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Speaker 1: illegal to catch and release a fish. They don't want

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Speaker 1: you doing it for that reason. If you catch it,

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Speaker 1: eat it. I don't know if this is true. A

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Speaker 1: guy named Lucas says it is with a k. Trust

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Speaker 1: that's a German all right. I went to the main show. Brad,

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Speaker 1: do you mind introducing yourself for real? And then Dave,

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Speaker 1: can you introduce yourself? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Brad, founder CEO of a company called their Galli. We're

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Speaker 8: back at youn Gear and Equipment company for this I

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Speaker 8: for this gig.

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Speaker 1: I also worked stint in public Lands too, so mm

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Speaker 1: hm and dat. He been on the show probably four

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Speaker 1: or five times.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, not as many as uh folks like heavile finger.

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Speaker 6: Uh No, I don't know. He gives me a hard time.

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Speaker 2: It's like you're right your neck and neck with hell

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Speaker 2: we might be, but he writes in a lot.

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Speaker 6: But president, Yeah, yeah, David Wilms, I'm based in Wyoming.

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Speaker 6: I work for the National Wildlife Federation. Now I'm our

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Speaker 6: associate vice president of public Lands and also oversee our

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Speaker 6: hunting angling advocacy work as well, And prior to that,

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Speaker 6: worked for Governor of Wyoming, worked for the Attorney General's Office,

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Speaker 6: did work with our State Game and Fish Department. Have

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Speaker 6: been an attorney for I won't say how long long

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Speaker 6: enough now long time? Yeah, a long time since you

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Speaker 6: were a child. Feels like it. No, I mean look

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Speaker 6: at my pictures and it looks like it.

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Speaker 1: And of course doctor Randall's here and also joined by

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Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan, and we're here to discuss the subject of

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Speaker 1: great importance that has been brewing in the background. Like

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Speaker 1: I've been hearing about it and hearing about it, and

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Speaker 1: you're hearing about it. We keep saying we want to

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Speaker 1: do something about it. I kind of thought it would

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Speaker 1: go away by now. You're probably dying what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Who wants to dine in, dying to know what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about? Who wants to who wants to take take

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Speaker 1: this and run with it? The high level what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about.

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Speaker 5: I'll do the quick overview.

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Speaker 1: What is happening?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So, uh, this would all fall under sage brush rebellion.

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Speaker 4: We could call it. This bubbles up about every ten years,

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Speaker 4: it seems like, but it's a movement from certain players.

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Speaker 4: In this occasion, the state of Utah kicked it off

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Speaker 4: with this idea that really falls back to like the

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Speaker 4: federal government can't own land. The argument's kind of they're

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Speaker 4: all variations of that, and the motivation is the fact

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Speaker 4: that the states want more land because they're of great

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Speaker 4: economic value. So the State of Utah currently is suing

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Speaker 4: the federal government over unincorporated lands that belong to the

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Speaker 4: Bureau of Land Management or fall under the management of

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Speaker 4: the Bureau of Land Management. About eighteen and a half

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Speaker 4: million acres in that fall in the State of Utah's borders.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen and a half million acres.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yep.

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Speaker 4: And they are suing the federal government saying that.

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Speaker 5: That land.

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Speaker 4: It's illegal for the BLM to control that land, and

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Speaker 4: the State of Utah wants that land to basically do

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Speaker 4: with as they please. And there's some versions of what

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Speaker 4: that is. But they do use in their lawsuit the

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Speaker 4: word divest, which means sell, So there's yeah, basically, they're

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Speaker 4: going to hold the acres that are of the greatest

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Speaker 4: economic importance and divest the rest, which would be sell

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Speaker 4: off the rest of those public acres, and then kind

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Speaker 4: of the ball of axe grows from there as far

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Speaker 4: as what the implications of this lawsuit could be. But

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Speaker 4: if the federal government can't maintain and own Bureau of

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Speaker 4: Land Management land, what does that mean for US Forest

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Speaker 4: Service land, Bureau of Reclamation, and on down the line.

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Speaker 1: So the lawsuit the Idaho's or that Utah has fought.

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Speaker 1: The State of Utah is filing a lawsuit saying BLM

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Speaker 1: land is somehow they don't have the authority to own it,

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Speaker 1: therefore it shoulblong to the states. They're focused particularly on BLM.

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Speaker 1: Is this true? For now?

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Speaker 6: That's true?

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Speaker 1: That's why do they feel that BLM land is fundamentally

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Speaker 1: different than any other land management agency?

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Speaker 6: That's a great question. You know me to take the first.

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Speaker 1: You're the lawyer here, I'll take it. Oh, why why

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Speaker 1: are we talking about Bureau of Land Management land?

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Speaker 6: That's a great question. It's because that's what they've told

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Speaker 6: us to talk about. Oh okay, right, So here's the

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Speaker 6: way I describe the case to people. First of all,

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Speaker 6: the lawsuit has been filed in from the United States

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court, right, but and they've asked the State of

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Speaker 6: Uta has asked the United States Supreme Court to accept

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Speaker 6: what they called original jurisdiction, which means an original jurisdiction case,

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Speaker 6: you bypass federal district court, federal appeals court, you go

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Speaker 6: right to the U. S. Supreme Court, and the Supreme

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Speaker 6: Court serves as the trial court.

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Speaker 1: How often is that successful? Well, I can tell you

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Speaker 1: to have them not defer it down court.

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Speaker 6: So I can tell you I I've been involved in

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Speaker 6: a couple I was. The last one I was involved

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Speaker 6: in was actually a case the State of Montana sy

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Speaker 6: the State of Wyoming, and it was Original Action number

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Speaker 6: one thirty seven in the history of the country, the

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Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty seventh original jurisdiction case in the

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Speaker 6: history of the country. That was about ten years ago.

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Speaker 6: There have been a handful since then. It doesn't happen often.

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Speaker 6: There's a high bar to accept jurisdiction. It's typically state

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Speaker 6: v state or state versus federal government, and it tends

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Speaker 6: to fall on these instances on issues of constitutional questions

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Speaker 6: where there's immediate massive economic carm if we don't resolve

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Speaker 6: it right away, or some other really high bar.

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Speaker 1: Got like who won the presidency.

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Speaker 6: That's a pretty high bar.

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Speaker 1: Might be like a thing like we're just gonna have

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Speaker 1: to take this out.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly right. So that's the ask, right, and in

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Speaker 6: it they ask for the Supreme Court to accept yourisdiction

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Speaker 6: to hear this case and the argument is these eighteen

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Speaker 6: and a half million acres of BLM lands, of these

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Speaker 6: unappropriated lands, that it is unconstitutional. They're making a constitutional argument.

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Speaker 6: They're saying it's unconstitutional for the United States to hold

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Speaker 6: land in perpetuity. And this is why it's interesting to

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Speaker 6: me that they focus on eighteen and a half million acres,

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Speaker 6: because what they're fundamentally arguing is saying, look, the United

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Speaker 6: States is only able to own the land that is

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Speaker 6: that it's expressly authorized to own under the Constitution. They cite,

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Speaker 6: and I'm sorry to get super wonky, but they'll they'll get.

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Speaker 1: Get as wonky as you want, because I was just

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Speaker 1: gonna ask why can't Maryland sue and take the White House?

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Speaker 6: There you go, You're asking the right question, right. So

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Speaker 6: under Article ten, which is what states often your reference

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Speaker 6: are ten of the Constitution is all of the powers

663
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 6: that are not expressly articulated in the Constitution are reserved

664
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 6: to the state. And what Utah says is the express

665
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 6: authority to own land for the federal government's own land

666
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 6: is only found in one place in the enclave clause.

667
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 6: This is their argument, and in the enclave clause, the

668
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 6: only property that the federal government can own are and

669
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 6: I'll just very be very general because there's a series

670
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 6: of words, but it boils down to military installations in Washington, DC.

671
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 6: And so outside of those two things, the argument from

672
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 6: Utah is the federal government cannot own any other land

673
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 6: but those.

674
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Lands military bases in DC.

675
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, effectively, right. And so then to then argue that

676
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 6: they're limiting their lawsuit to eighteen and a half million

677
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 6: acres of just BLM is something that I'm it's like

678
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 6: mental gymnastics for me, because as the lawyer in me says,

679
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 6: I'm looking at facts in law, right, and I'm saying,

680
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 6: if it if their argument is true, and it is,

681
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 6: and it is unconstitutional to own any lands besides military

682
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 6: installations in Washington, d C. Then why in the world

683
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 6: would they only be entitled to the eighteen and a

684
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 6: half million.

685
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, why wouldn't whyomi make a play for Yellowstone National Park?

686
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: What a windfall? Right, I mean, maybe that'd be like

687
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: one chunk of public land that if they took the

688
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: state would actually make money off it.

689
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 6: Probably, Yeah, I mean you'd think so, at least tourism alone,

690
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 6: dollars alone. Right. But so, so that's the thing I

691
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 6: like to start off with I'm I'm a pretty, you know,

692
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 6: I'm a pretty measured too much?

693
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe maybe so, but that's why you get

694
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: to keep coming back.

695
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: So it did go with a five.

696
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 6: I did go with the five that was, but it

697
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 6: was a measured five. It's like, it's like, there's room

698
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 6: for improvement. You could charge more sure services, but your

699
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 6: work is so good it's a five. Yeah, But I

700
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 6: so I'm very measured. But then I look at this

701
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 6: and say, it's not hyperbolic to say that all six

702
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 6: hundred and forty million acres are at stake in this

703
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 6: of public lands in the United States are at stake

704
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 6: in this litigation, because if it is unconstitutional to own

705
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 6: lands in perpetuity, then it's unconstitutional on all lands except

706
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 6: those expressly authorized by the Constitution according to Utah.

707
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Gettysburg. Wouldn't Gettysburg be not listed?

708
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 8: It's yeah, I think so it's a I mean it

709
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 8: was it's a national monument, national monument or nationalment.

710
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: Do they give you constitutional authority to own a monument?

711
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: Probably not?

712
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 6: No, No, I mean according to that lawsuit. Accordin to

713
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 6: the lawsuit, I mean I would argue, yes, well.

714
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. If you if someone was literally like,

715
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm not a constitutional scholar, so I don't know if

716
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: that's surprised. But if you look at this, this thing

717
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: they're pointing to that says what kind of land they

718
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: could own, I'm just trying to capture the extent of

719
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: like sort of the bombshell you're dropping to beat it.

720
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: Not just BLM, but you could say the same thing

721
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: about national parks. You say anything about national monuments, you

722
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: can say anything about whatever.

723
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 6: National forest, national forests, US Fish and Wildlife Service lands,

724
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 6: Bureau of Reclamation lands.

725
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: So is there in this suit? And there's a lot

726
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: we got to get into here, like other states joining

727
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: all that, but in this suit, is there any articulation

728
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: about why we're talking about BLM, Like what is it

729
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: about the Bureau of Land Management that to them seems

730
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: that to them seems like riper for exploitation than if

731
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: they were going after Zion National Park.

732
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's the unincorporated lane. Like how

733
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 4: the BLM came to be is it was kind of

734
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 4: like all the undesignated land that was left over, So

735
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: there's like a low hanging fruit type of deal. But

736
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: also Utah on BLM ground has a real history back

737
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: and forth of like a lot of bears ears, Grand

738
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 4: Staircase Escalante, that is BLM land that then went into

739
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: a monument status and then went back to non monument status.

740
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: And that's where you hear like a lot of that

741
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that is public, but you can't access it

742
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 4: type of talk.

743
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the national forest system as we know

744
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: it was set aside as forest reserves, right, like we've

745
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: always had. The federal government has always acquired new land

746
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: through purchase or military conquest basically, right. But most of

747
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: the public land system as we know it, those chunks

748
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: of public land were set aside for a certain purpose.

749
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: And BLM is essentially what was left over that wasn't,

750
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: you know, either reserved or disposed of. So it's sort

751
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: of like the accidental God. Historically speaking, it's sort of

752
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: like accidentally the federal governments because in theory, it should

753
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: have all been disposed of.

754
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, if you were going to take the argument,

755
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 6: why are we here, what is there? Right, it's exactly that.

756
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 6: It's we had a system where as states were originally

757
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 6: admitted into the Union, they were required to disavow any

758
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 6: claims to lands that were within their borders that were

759
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 6: unappropriated lands. And at the time we're talking in the

760
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 6: seventeen hundreds here, we're talking at the time unappropriated meaning

761
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 6: lands that weren't already in private ownership. The state had

762
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 6: had to disavow claims to them and it would go

763
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 6: to the federal estate. And then the federal government set

764
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 6: up a whole series of laws for how they were

765
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 6: going to dispose of these lands. It's the way I

766
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 6: that's the way I describe it. You know, we had

767
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 6: things like that. There were laws that gave land to

768
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 6: veterans of wars early wars or were you know, we

769
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 6: all know about Homestead Act. There were a series of

770
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 6: well bequeaths to the railroad as they you know, to

771
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 6: connect the east to the west. So they're they're actually.

772
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: Like the railroads were compensated with land instead of money. Yeah,

773
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: Like you get the land your tracks on, and then

774
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: checkerboard everything within twenty miles you get half of it

775
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 1: or whatever to help.

776
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, So we had this system that ran for you know,

777
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 6: until nineteen seventy six really and starting in really I

778
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 6: was going to say eighteen ninety one. It's really starting

779
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 6: in more like eighteen seventy six, which I think is

780
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 6: when Yellowstone was first created. Right, That was sort of

781
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 6: the first time that the government said, Okay, not this. Yeah,

782
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 6: we're going to try and sell a bunch of stuff,

783
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 6: but not this. And then eighteen ninety one comes the

784
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 6: Force Reserve Act and Congress again says there's a lot

785
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 6: of economic value to this timber. We're seeing in some

786
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 6: places unsustainable timber harvest. We need it for expanse, for

787
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 6: home building, rail building. We're going to reserve all these

788
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 6: timber lands. Okay, So now we start establishing the national Force.

789
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 6: Then we roll into the early part of the century

790
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 6: and we have the Antiquities Act, and we start seeing

791
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 6: more monuments and parks created. And we're still having homesteading

792
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 6: during this time, and we had the Tailor Grazing Act

793
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 6: that comes into place into play to deal with how

794
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 6: do we manage grazing on some of these lands, but

795
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 6: you can still homestead. And then nineteen six rolls around

796
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 6: when we passed the Federal Land Planning Management Act, Right

797
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 6: Policy and Management Act, Shoot policy. Thank you. I always

798
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 6: mess it up. And I've been in this space for

799
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 6: twenty years.

800
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 4: Well, you can here bless your heart for avoiding the acronyms.

801
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: I try to avoid the acronyms right doing great jobs.

802
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 6: So nineteen seventy six happens, and all the land that

803
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 6: has not been put into national parks or monuments or

804
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 6: wilderness areas or you know, list the whole list of

805
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 6: the things national wildlife refuges. The federal government says they're

806
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 6: looking at it, and they're seeing there's a lot of

807
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 6: value to these lands too. Like nobody was home homesteading.

808
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 6: It looked like for the longest time it was viewed

809
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 6: as of trash land. But they're starting to realize there's

810
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 6: a lot of value here. There's oil and gas resources

811
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 6: that are you know, pretty incredible, there's recreation resources that

812
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 6: were starting to see there's value to and so they

813
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 6: passed this law.

814
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 4: This it was pretty scary, it turns out.

815
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so they passed this law that says, once

816
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 6: and for all, it's the policy of the federal government

817
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 6: to keep this land in the federal estate. And it

818
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 6: effectively ends the homesteading. Like that's when the homestead Act

819
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 6: really formally ended. It was nineteen seventy six, not that

820
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 6: long ago, and you can look at that law and

821
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 6: it matches pretty perfectly to when the Sagebrush rebellion starts

822
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 6: to kick off, because this argument is no, no, you

823
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 6: were always supposed to get rid of that land. You're

824
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 6: always supposed to get rid of that land. And now

825
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 6: you're saying it's the policy of the federal government to

826
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 6: only get rid of it in very limited circumstances and

827
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 6: in very small amounts if it goes through this long process,

828
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 6: and that's not what we signed up for. You need

829
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 6: to be getting rid of it. And so these iterations

830
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 6: of this, uh, you know it's calvisaying. These iterations of

831
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 6: the Sagebrush rebellion started coming around really in political cycles,

832
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 6: you know, like every it like a sin wave, you know,

833
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 6: every ten years or so.

834
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: So the logic a little bit is it was like

835
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: it's last in, first out.

836
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

837
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 8: Can I just say, though, like I want to make

838
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 8: I think it's really important though to point out like

839
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 8: there isn't in most people's mind, and maybe I'm just

840
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 8: speaking for myself here, like an open legal question about

841
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 8: whether or not public lands are constitutional. I think there

842
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 8: is like this assumption that some people have that like, hey,

843
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 8: this has like been an open question, and we just

844
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 8: want to push for, you know, some clarity on this, right,

845
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 8: Like like I don't want there to be I don't

846
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 8: think it's appropriate or not. I don't want to put

847
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 8: words of your mouth here to day, but like I want

848
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 8: to make sure people understand though, because that what you're

849
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 8: not saying and tell me if I'm wrong here, is

850
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 8: that there isn't an open legal question since Flipma pass

851
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 8: in nineteen seventy six about the constitutionality of Bilan lands.

852
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 6: With one exception, and it's the exception that UTAH is

853
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 6: putting out there. So there have been a series of

854
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 6: cases that have said under the Property Clause of the Constitution,

855
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 6: the federal government can own land, can manage it, can

856
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 6: exclude people, can regulate. You take, for example, can say

857
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 6: this forest, we're not going to hunting on it right now.

858
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 6: It's the stuff that's used today when there's a fire

859
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 6: and they administratively close it and you're like, well, can't

860
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 6: hunt there this year? Right, the Supreme Court has weighed in,

861
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 6: there's a mountain of case law on that. What UTAH

862
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 6: is arguing is this very narrow piece they're saying, we

863
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 6: agree with that, we're not contesting those cases. But what

864
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 6: we're saying is that the court hasn't actually addressed the

865
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 6: question of whether they can do that im PERPECTI tuity

866
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 6: the the argument there, and I'm just putting I'm just

867
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 6: saying what their.

868
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: Claim, right, I'm asking you for your opinion, though.

869
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 6: I'll get to that. I just want to make yeah,

870
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 6: but I want to make sure people understand.

871
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: Okay, I really appreciate this because I like to hear

872
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, people should understand the argument. Yeah, right, exactly right.

873
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 6: So the argument is, yes, the federal government has the

874
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 6: authority to manage lands as long as it takes to

875
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 6: dispose of them, and if it takes thirty years to

876
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 6: dispose of them, they can manage them like any other

877
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 6: landowner for that thirty years. This is the argument Utah

878
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 6: effectively makes. They're they're just saying the Supreme Court hasn't

879
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 6: weighed in on this very narrow issue of can they

880
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 6: hold those lands in perpetuity? And that's what the claim is.

881
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 6: And I think they they wrote the their complaint that

882
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 6: way because it gives them the highest likelihood that a

883
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 6: court accepts that the court ex jurisdiction, or if they don't,

884
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 6: because if the Court doesn't accept it, Utah will probably

885
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 6: turn around and file this case in Federal District Court

886
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 6: in Utah and just go through the normal process. And

887
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 6: they're setting it up to hopefully have the Supreme Court

888
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 6: accept what's called cert a petition for cert, which would

889
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 6: be when it goes through a normal appeals process, would

890
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 6: they accept the appeal and hear the case then, So

891
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 6: they're setting up what we would call a case of

892
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 6: first impression is what they're trying to set up to

893
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 6: increase their chances that the Supreme Court will take the

894
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 6: case on a narrow on a very narrow issue that

895
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 6: the Court has never weighed in on.

896
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: And to be clear, Utah is trying to set they're

897
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: trying to go to the US Constitution or sorry, they're

898
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: trying to go to the US Supreme Court. So they're

899
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: not arguing this is not necessarily about what is going

900
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: on in Utah, because if the court finds in their favor,

901
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: it finds in everybody's favor.

902
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 6: That's my argument.

903
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: Other states, every other state that has BLM land would

904
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: be able to be like, well, that applies to me

905
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: as well. Why would it somehow becif to Utah?

906
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 6: But I say not just BLM land. This is where

907
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 6: I keep having to dive in and say not just

908
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 6: BLM land, all public land.

909
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how how if you look at it like

910
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: like how many acres of BLM land of like how

911
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: many acres of public BLM land or in Utah? How

912
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 1: many acres of BLM public land are in the US

913
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: in general? Like what's what's if this was to be

914
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: found true, how many acres of hunting and fishing ground

915
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: are at risk?

916
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 6: Well, so if you're just doing on BLM, I don't

917
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 6: have the exact numbers on me. Maybe somebody else knows

918
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 6: about their head. It's I think it's over two hundred

919
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 6: million acres. If you're talking does it apply to all

920
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 6: lands federally owned lands that are that are not military

921
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 6: installations or the the capital. We're talking six hundred and

922
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 6: forty million acres. We're talking about one third of the

923
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 6: land mass of the country.

924
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: My daughter's buck here BLM BLM.

925
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 6: Yeah.

926
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: I mean I think it's like the.

927
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: It'd be like if you sold some land to your neighbor, right,

928
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: and then you went, you know, you wanted to like

929
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: build a driveway or something, and you said, oh, I

930
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: can do this because the original transaction is void, right,

931
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: and like it's ultimately, if you have to accept the

932
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: argument for this part, it applies to the whole thing,

933
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: because what they're arguing is that the federal government cannot

934
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 2: possess land with these few exceptions. So it's like there's

935
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: there's no I mean, it's my understanding of it is

936
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: that if the court were to find that argument compelling,

937
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: there's no like safeguard the floodgates are open, right, like

938
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, that would void the forest reserve system.

939
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 6: There's you know, like, yeah, there's nothing in the constitution.

940
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing constitutionally different about every other type of

941
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: federal public land that we know of.

942
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: One of the things about this this current legal push

943
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: is it winds up you're shooting for the same thing

944
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: is you've always shot for. This is just the latest

945
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: way you're trying to do it. Okay, So if we

946
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: let's go back to twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you're some

947
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: about the ten year cycle. Let's go back ten years.

948
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: The conversation was around and it was coming from Utah

949
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: as well. The conversation was around like divestiture or there

950
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: was this like excess how do they put it, the

951
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: excess public lands?

952
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, unincorporated, Yeah, unappropriated.

953
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: That there was a push where they carved off a

954
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: chunk of land that they felt was like like some

955
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: level of excess public lands. Correct.

956
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, the lands that hadn't been, in their eyes, set

957
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 6: aside for some other public purpose like a national park

958
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 6: or a wilderness area or a national conservation area national forest. Right,

959
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 6: the ones that didn't have that specific articulated congressional designation

960
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 6: for specific purpose. They're saying, well, that's what we're that's

961
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 6: what we're after. It's what's left.

962
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: That was the twenty fourteen argument.

963
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 6: That's the same one today.

964
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: Okay, So that that was the but no, there was

965
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: a bill. Oh yeah, that's right, like like it was.

966
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: It was like sponsored by Jason chaffits right, Yeah, And

967
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: it was a how does no one remember the hell

968
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: this was? It was like the.

969
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was I think it was like the

970
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: Divesting Public Lands Act or something like that.

971
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: They had a word like excess or Yeah.

972
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 4: They were trying to identify the chunks of ground that

973
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 4: weren't all that important to the public and sell those.

974
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was putting it forward as a bill

975
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: that these would be sold. When I say that this

976
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: is the same you're driving towards the same goal. You're

977
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: just taking different attitudes about it. Like let's say I

978
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: I really wish I definitely don't. Let's say I really

979
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of my neighbor, and one year

980
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: I try where I go back into you know, I

981
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: go back into when he initially did his permitting. Did

982
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: he make any mistakes? I'm like, Okay, he didn't make mistakes.

983
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: If someone't get rid of my neighbor, I'm going to

984
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: go back into his criminal record. Maybe there's something there. Nope, Okay,

985
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna has is he up on his taxes?

986
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 6: Right?

987
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: Meaning my goal is to get rid of the neighbor.

988
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: Definitely don't want to do this. My goal is to

989
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: get rid of the neighbor. I'm just going to keep

990
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: trying things. Utah has been pursuing this for a long time, Right,

991
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: that's right? Is this a fun like? Do you feel

992
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: that this approach is somehow more sound, is going to

993
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: have a different result than the other ways in which

994
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: they've attempted to take the federal public land and make

995
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: it something that they can sell and privatize.

996
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 6: Here's why it's different. Okay, they've invested. I can't remember, Brad,

997
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 6: do you know the number twenty.

998
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: It's like twenty the Yeah, I know what you're gonna say.

999
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 8: It's about twenty million dollars has been approved taxpayer dollars

1000
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 8: Utah taxpayer dollars twenty million dollars for a PR campaign

1001
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 8: to support the lawsuit.

1002
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: So so Utah's tax money is paying their own way

1003
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: toward not having their public lands.

1004
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 6: Correct, absolutely, one hundred percent. Although it's a campaign that

1005
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 6: the ads.

1006
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: Are talk about, like talk about losing control of your

1007
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: tax money, Like I got a good idea, I'll pay

1008
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: my taxes. Then you take my tax money and make

1009
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: it that I don't have any public lands.

1010
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, although they're they're using kind of a rebranded keep

1011
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 6: it public campaign.

1012
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 8: Oh actually, I mean you're talking Washington Post ads, podcast

1013
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 8: ads like there's I mean, they're going it's a pretty

1014
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 8: serious PR campaign.

1015
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1016
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 6: So there. That's one thing that's different is they're investing

1017
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 6: in this. But I I argue they're not investing in

1018
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 6: a PR campaign for the litigation.

1019
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: Okay, right, you don't need.

1020
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 6: A PR camp. The law is what the law is.

1021
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 6: You're gonna run through the judicial process. Maybe you run

1022
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 6: a small PR campaign in state to convince your constituents

1023
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 6: that this is the right legal move to make. But

1024
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 6: like Brad said, they're running a PR campaign nationally. They're

1025
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 6: they're doing like I don't know if this is one

1026
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 6: hundred percent true, but I got texts from friends of

1027
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 6: mine in d C during the presidential debate that said,

1028
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 6: I'm seeing ads on my phone and during the debate

1029
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 6: in my neighborhood about this, Like.

1030
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: It's it's the how do you sell the idea to

1031
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: a guy in d C. What are you telling him

1032
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: that he's gonna care about?

1033
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 6: Well, I think you're trying. I think you're trying to

1034
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 6: do a couple of things. It's who's in DC.

1035
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying, what do you Let's say, let's

1036
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: say you're in You're in Utah, right, and you get

1037
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: campaign money and your cronies and things are in development

1038
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: and other issues, and you guys are looking at all

1039
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: of the land that will never be generating money for you,

1040
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: drowndating business for you, generating profits for you, generating profits

1041
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: for the state, and it's sitting there. How would if

1042
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: you were ever going to take a message and bring

1043
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: it to a guy in Illinois. What would you ever

1044
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 1: tell the guy in Illinois that would make him think, Yes,

1045
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: I wish there wasn't a bunch of federal public land

1046
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: in Utah.

1047
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 6: So I think it's it's this, it's the overall political

1048
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 6: message of the tenth Amendment should matter. And so who

1049
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 6: are you appealing to in DC? It's the center of

1050
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 6: power in the country. That's where it's where your Senate,

1051
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 6: your house, all of the thousands of staffers that work

1052
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 6: for them live.

1053
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Roberts washing his dishes and in the background

1054
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: this adds like subliminal but not just argues in him,

1055
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: and he's.

1056
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 6: Like, you know, by God, not just the justices though.

1057
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 6: Remember you're going to have a senator from Utah that

1058
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 6: is going to have an extreme amount of power over

1059
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 6: natural resource issues in this country starting in January, you know,

1060
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 6: Senator Mike Lee. Yeah, I don't you know when we're

1061
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 6: having this conversation. I don't know what how it's going

1062
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 6: to pan out. But he's in line if he wants it,

1063
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 6: to be the chair of the Senate Natural Resources Committe

1064
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 6: Environment Natal Resource Committee. So he'll have any He'll he'll

1065
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 6: have an incredible amount of power on controlling what type

1066
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 6: of legislation is heard in the Senate by the committee

1067
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 6: and what gets passed through for votes. He can hold

1068
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 6: up packages, public lands packages, He can do all sorts

1069
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 6: of things. So there's an opportunity to through this campaign.

1070
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 4: And for folks who don't know, Senator Lee has been

1071
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 4: like very prominent in what what would be considered like

1072
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 4: an anti public lands group. He has been pro anti

1073
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 4: public lands.

1074
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 6: Yes, so it's I've I've viewed this lawsuit as they

1075
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 6: want to they want to win the lawsuit. Obviously they're

1076
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 6: going down this route if they if it doesn't go

1077
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 6: to the Supreme Court, they'll likely file in federal district court.

1078
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 6: Lawsuit buys you time to lawsuit, creates uncertainty because you

1079
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 6: don't know what's going to happen in the legal process

1080
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 6: it and it locks things up and creates time to

1081
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 6: address whatever your concerns might be. So there's actually you know,

1082
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 6: they sure they want to win the lawsuit, but they

1083
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 6: also view this as an opportunity to get political outcomes

1084
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 6: that they want and they know that they have people

1085
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 6: from their state that are going to be in positions

1086
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 6: of power. And now you know, we don't know yet

1087
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 6: how what the administration is going to look like, you know,

1088
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 6: but but there might be opportunities to move legislation that

1089
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 6: could be very favorable to Utah in a new Congress.

1090
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 6: And so yeah, you're going to run a pr campaign

1091
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 6: there to try and influence all those folks to and

1092
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 6: if you have a somebody from Illinois that is likes

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00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 6: the idea of local control, okay, and that that's the

1094
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 6: message is we don't want a big, bloated federal government.

1095
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 6: You know, this is about local control. The power, the

1096
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 6: power of the people is best at the most local level.

1097
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 6: We can be you know, better managers at the most

1098
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 6: local level. And it's an opportunity to say this is

1099
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 6: a way to deal with big government, shrink the government

1100
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 6: a little bit. And that's the other piece I think

1101
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 6: of this of this of this play, there's the legal play,

1102
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 6: there's the political play. You don't spend twenty million dollars

1103
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 6: on a legal campaign, you spend twenty million dollars on

1104
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 6: a long play that includes, you know, changing hearts and

1105
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 6: minds in a political.

1106
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 4: Campaign, and as well management right is the other one

1107
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 4: which kind of ties in to bowl, but it's well

1108
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 4: who manages land better?

1109
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 6: Right?

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00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: And and that's something that you've heard over and over

1111
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 4: and over again, is well, the Feds don't manage that

1112
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 4: as well as the state does, or everybody knows public

1113
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 4: land is not managed anywhere near as good as private land, right.

1114
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 4: And that's something that we hear over and over again.

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00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: In terms of laying out everybody's like biases and what

1116
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: they're after. And you've done a good job of making

1117
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: of presenting an argument, you know, even though you're not

1118
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: necessarily here to represent Utah's position.

1119
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 6: Necessarily, yeah, you're not.

1120
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: But you're not here to represent their position that you're

1121
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: explaining that trying to explain. And I feel that and

1122
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: I'll do the same on my position, okay, because this

1123
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: is one of those things where I think that everybody

1124
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: is driving at what they find to be beneficial. There's

1125
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: there's some art, there's some things that happen and it transcends.

1126
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: There's some things that happen in the political sphere and

1127
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: the social sphere where you get into these issues where

1128
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: there's a higher you know, you're arguing a higher morality.

1129
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: It could be it could be like a higher Christian morality.

1130
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: It could be a humanitarian morality whatever. Where you step

1131
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: outside of personal you step outside of what's good for

1132
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: an individual right, and you go to like, like what's

1133
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: good for sort of America? You know, the capital a

1134
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: this like I don't want to present like over there's

1135
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: a moral components, but there's also a big part of

1136
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of people pushing a certain thing

1137
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: they would like to see happen. I find that I'm

1138
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: totally open to the idea that federal land management and

1139
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: having a vast public estate and a bunch of public

1140
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: ground for people to recreate on. I'm open, Like I

1141
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: understand it. It slows economic activity. Lots of stuff slows

1142
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: economic activity, right, Like having Gettysburg you could build condos

1143
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: and sell them for a ton of money. Having the

1144
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: Gettysburg monument slows economic activity. There's things you could do

1145
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 1: with that that would be more money than what they're

1146
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: getting out of them. Right if you divide it up,

1147
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: sold it as condos, it'd be more income than you

1148
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: get from charging people to go to Gettysburg. So we

1149
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: don't make all of our decisions based on what makes

1150
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: the most fiscal sense in the moment. By having public lands,

1151
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: you have places for like people to go out and

1152
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: be free. One of the things I like about BLM

1153
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: Land is you're kind of there's no place to be

1154
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: more free then you're on BLM Land. You can generally

1155
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: do more stuff more often, you sell them get where.

1156
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, in Southeast Alaska, deer season opens on

1157
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: August one, but on the Tungus National Forest Land it

1158
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: opens August fifteenth. Stuff like that doesn't usually happen on

1159
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: BLM Land. Like BLM Land is kind of like it's

1160
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: it's come one, come on, man. Like, if you're worried

1161
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: about can I sleep here? BLM Land probably can sleep

1162
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: there tonight.

1163
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a libertarian paradise.

1164
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: It's a libertarian paradise. And I know that there's things

1165
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: you could do with it, like you could sell it

1166
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: and make condos and mine it and whatever to hell.

1167
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: And someone's going to make some money right now. But

1168
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: all in all, considering that the country's going to keep

1169
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: existing for you know, hopefully thousands of more years, it'll

1170
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: stay like that. It'll be a place where Americans can

1171
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: go be Americans. And and that is the thing that

1172
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: like I believe in protecting. If you came and told me,

1173
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: if if somehow, like I had the word of God

1174
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: that Utah would rest control of BLM Lands and not

1175
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: change a thing, they'd be like, no, no, no, we just

1176
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: want it to be that. When you look at a map.

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01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 3: It says it's a different color.

1178
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: It says Utah Bureau of Land Management. But we're still

1179
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: going to have it be that. Everybody can hunt and

1180
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: fish and camp and do what they want. It's just

1181
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: we just it really means a lot to us that

1182
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: it says Utah on it. I think most people will

1183
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's cool, not my fight, but that's

1184
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: not what we're talking about. No. Now, no one wants it.

1185
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: The state doesn't want it because they wanted to have

1186
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: it be a libertarian paradise. Even we're libertarians a little

1187
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: off because libertarians would argue that you shouldn't be able

1188
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: to have it. So a it's America's you know, like

1189
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: America's playground, America.

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01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 3: It's like the same box. You just go out there and.

1191
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: It's a place to American. It's the most American place

1192
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: to be American. They don't want it because that's what

1193
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: they want to keep happening. They want it because they

1194
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: want to develop it, right correct. I mean, I mean

1195
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: like that therein lies the issue. It's not who owns,

1196
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: it's like what are you gonna do with it?

1197
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 8: Like all I mean it's hard for me not to

1199
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 8: get really like pissed off when I talk about this

1200
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 8: shit because so unlike my friend they were here, I

1201
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 8: don't have to pretend to like be friendly to the

1202
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 8: state of Utah, which I appreciate your.

1203
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: Uh he's doing the lord's he is he is when

1204
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: I hear a story, When I hear a story about

1205
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: like someone's like, oh, you know, his wife is terrible,

1206
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: She's the worst. I'd be like I'd have to talk

1207
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: to his wife. I don't know, you gotta be objected.

1208
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 8: But like the thing is is like when you look

1209
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 8: at well, a couple of things I want to say,

1210
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 8: like what's different between this time and last time? They

1211
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 8: realize people that don't.

1212
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: Care about public land, they don't use public lands.

1213
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 8: So the guys that it's most of the guys right

1214
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 8: that want that are trying to do this, they don't

1215
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 8: do the things that we do, So they don't there

1216
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 8: isn't a value to them for public access, for hunting, fishing, ATVing,

1217
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 8: motorcycle riding, they do not care about those things. It's

1218
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 8: not a part of their lifestyle, so they don't care.

1219
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 1: Right.

1220
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,959
Speaker 8: But what they astutely recognized last time, So last time around,

1221
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 8: they really tried to frame this issue is like a

1222
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 8: states rights issue. Who do you hate more the state

1223
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 8: government of the federal government? And I think if you

1224
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 8: ask that question, most people are like, or who do

1225
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 8: you trust more? State government or federal government? Most people

1226
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 8: would say, well, I trust whoever my state government more

1227
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 8: because they're closer. Federal government means to me Washington, DC.

1228
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 8: Now I could quibble with that and say, well, most

1229
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 8: of your land managers that actually work on this public land,

1230
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 8: they live in your state, in your communities, right, But

1231
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 8: that is a I think just a common refrain from people.

1232
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 8: It's like, well, I trust the people around me. They

1233
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 8: tried to frame this issue this is about a state's

1234
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 8: rights issues versus a federal rights issue. It didn't take hold.

1235
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 8: And so the astude thing they're doing this time is

1236
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 8: they realized, we not only need to win a lawsuit,

1237
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 8: we need to win the court of public opinion here.

1238
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 8: So let's take a bunch of tax payer money and

1239
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 8: spend it on a which I think is a smart

1240
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 8: move on a PR campaign to explain to people why

1241
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 8: they should hate public land too, and really try and

1242
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 8: reframe this as an issue that's not about access, which

1243
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 8: is what it's about.

1244
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: Ye, that's what it's about.

1245
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 8: And let's frame it as an issue that's really about

1246
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 8: federal government overreach, because that is a winning argument in

1247
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 8: a lot of Western states. And I understand that that's

1248
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 8: not the issue.

1249
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: No, it's definitely not the issue. It's like many other

1250
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: things we're talking with Crday, we're sending here talking about

1251
01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 1: buffalo management, bison management, mannagement, and bison an engine where

1252
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, by some we don't want them coming

1253
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: into the state because they carry brucellosis. They're like, well

1254
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: carry brucellosis, but yeah, but we like those. So are

1255
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: we talking about No, we're not talking about brucellosis. We're

1256
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: talking about grazing lands. We're talking about fence integrity and

1257
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: grazing lands. But instead we're going to pretend to talk

1258
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: about brucellosis. I think here we're pretending to talk about

1259
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: like a rights issue. Yeah, what we're talking about is

1260
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: developing land.

1261
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 8: When I want to get my five year old eat

1262
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 8: her vegetables, I'll tell her it's like, you know, I

1263
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 8: put some sugar on that, or we you know, we

1264
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 8: put some jelly on that, and she'd be like, oh really,

1265
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 8: and I'll be you know, like yeah, I'm straight.

1266
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: Up lying to my kid.

1267
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 8: But it's that's what's going on here, right, Like they're

1268
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 8: telling you, it's they're trying to reframe this whole issue

1269
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 8: away from the thing that they know everybody cares about.

1270
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: Which is access. So smart move on their part to

1271
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: be like to say, oh no, no, no, no, it'll

1272
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: all still be availed, it will all still be public.

1273
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 8: It also, but when you start this is something that

1274
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 8: you know, you know, I talked about years ago, but

1275
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 8: when you start really if you really understand constitutional mandates

1276
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 8: in Western states, you know that almost every Western state

1277
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 8: has a constitutional mandate to manage state lands. So if

1278
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 8: they do go to the states, right, there are constitutional

1279
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 8: mandates that require states to manage for the maximum economic

1280
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 8: return on state lands for the beneficiaries, which are the

1281
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 8: residents of the state. Okay, constitutional mandate. Can't get out

1282
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 8: of it even if you want to. So what's going

1283
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 8: to happen if states to get a hold of the land.

1284
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 8: It isn't that hard to connect the dots. So I

1285
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 8: think Utah understands that they need to try and reframe

1286
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 8: this debate and not they don't want people to understand that, right,

1287
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 8: They don't want people to know that. They don't want

1288
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 8: people to think about it. So let's just talk about

1289
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 8: this in a different way. Let's talk about it as

1290
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 8: like federal government overreach. To talk about it, Let's say

1291
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 8: they're trying to create this constitutional question that doesn't exist really, right,

1292
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 8: So let's like reframe this issue. And I think the

1293
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 8: other thing is like, even if they lose the lawsuit,

1294
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 8: which is very you know, they're very likely going to

1295
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 8: lose the lawsuit or not not get granted original jurisdiction.

1296
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called?

1297
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 6: Or yeah, well, like I said, they're very they're asking

1298
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 6: for the court to accept jurisdiction to hear the case.

1299
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So if they lose that, what's going to happen though.

1300
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 6: Then they'll file in federal court And this is a

1301
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 6: long time climb the.

1302
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 1: Last but this is a long term play. This isn't

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Speaker 1: going away. Like there what it's been going on since

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Speaker 1: what was the that's been going on since nineteen seventy six?

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Speaker 1: It's going on.

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Speaker 8: But I think this, like what I'm saying is like

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Speaker 8: over the next several years, I think this is just

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Speaker 8: tip of the icebergs.

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Speaker 6: I agree.

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Speaker 8: I think this is a part of a longer term

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Speaker 8: strategy here where they're like, you know, they've got folks,

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Speaker 8: you know, they're trying to reframe this debate to make

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Speaker 8: this a friendlier political issue for the people in office,

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Speaker 8: so that Congress can also try and take some action.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what that's going to look like, but

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Speaker 8: if I were their political advisor, I'd be like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 8: here's what we're going to do. We're going to have

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Speaker 8: there are three powers of government here. Let's try and

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Speaker 8: go after all.

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Speaker 1: Of them and see what sticks.

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Speaker 8: Okay, let's talk about Congress, to talk about the courts.

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Speaker 8: Let's go after the uh, you know, the presidential obviously

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Speaker 8: what we can do there. Let's have a three pronged

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Speaker 8: approach and let's see what we can do to really

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Speaker 8: stir the pot and rake, you know, and see what happened. So, like,

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Speaker 8: I think the pr strategy is a part of a

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Speaker 8: much like more involved strategy.

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Speaker 1: So if I was bet.

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Speaker 8: Money right now, I'd say, even if they lose a lawsuit, like,

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Speaker 8: we're gonna keep seeing different things happening. They're gonna they're

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Speaker 8: gonna be poking around the edges of the public lands

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Speaker 8: system in different ways to see what's gonna see what

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Speaker 8: they can get away with.

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Speaker 6: Well, and what I'm saying is the lawsuit's gonna be

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Speaker 6: out there for years, yes, absolutely, Like it creates. The

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Speaker 6: lawsuit is what creates the space for all of that

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Speaker 6: other stuff, Like what I said before, creates that uncertainty,

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Speaker 6: so makes people maybe willing to agree to things that

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Speaker 6: they maybe wouldn't have otherwise agreed to because you have

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Speaker 6: somebody like Justice Gorsic for example, whose mother was the

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Speaker 6: EPA administrator under the Reagan administration, was a huge part

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Speaker 6: of the Sagebrush rebellion. Right, And they're looking at the

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Speaker 6: makeup of the Supreme Court and saying, we have a

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Speaker 6: puncher's chance.

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Speaker 2: If it gets there, right, That's what I was going to.

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Speaker 6: That's where the politicos say they have a puncher's may

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Speaker 6: have a puncher's chance if it gets there. And so

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Speaker 6: that's where the pr comes in as well, to try

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Speaker 6: and squeeze out some even if even if the end

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Speaker 6: result isn't a transfer or wholesale transfer or sale of

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Speaker 6: public lands. It might be overhauling how we manage public lands.

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Speaker 2: Sure, And that's like I mean, when I look at

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Speaker 2: the lawsuit, I think there's two things that are striking

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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 3: One is what we talked about earlier, how.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of the most explosive approach that they've tried.

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Speaker 2: Because if they win, there the you know, the barn

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Speaker 2: doors are open, right, Like, it means the federal government

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Speaker 2: can't legitimately own land if the court finds in its favor.

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Speaker 2: I mean the other thing about it that's striking is

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Speaker 2: it's a very narrow question has to do with textualism.

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Speaker 2: And if the current composition of the Supreme Court looks

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Speaker 2: at the clause about military installations in Washington, DC, Like,

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Speaker 2: to me, it's not an open and shut case that

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Speaker 2: they're going to toss it out. Admittedly just an amateur

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Speaker 2: legal scholar here.

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Speaker 10: But.

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Speaker 2: You know, like, like what they're they're asking them to

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Speaker 2: do is say, hey, look look at the Constitution. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't say anything about federal public lands. In fact, the

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Speaker 2: Constitution says the federal government can only own these types

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Speaker 2: of lands. Ergo, all this stuff needs to go away,

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Speaker 2: and I when I think about it, I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, is that so far fetched to think that

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Speaker 2: if they do, if the Supreme Court grant certain that

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is going to throw it out, that

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Speaker 2: to me seems like wishful thinking.

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Speaker 6: I I think, I don't know, have to like, I

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Speaker 6: think it's a legal stretch, right, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: Do you mind getting into the plausibility of it?

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, I don't think we've introduced the fact that

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Speaker 4: that Utah started the lawsuit, and now a bunch of

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Speaker 4: other states have jumped onto this, so everybody needs to

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Speaker 4: be aware of That's again why we're talking about this. Right,

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Speaker 4: there's a bunch of Eastern states and.

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Speaker 1: To hell they got what do they have they need

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Speaker 1: to do with them?

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Speaker 4: I don't understand what what the deal is. But but

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Speaker 4: out here in the West, Idaho and Wyoming. Wyoming's kind

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Speaker 4: of hilarious to me in a lot of ways because

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Speaker 4: you can't even camp on Wyoming state lands and they're like,

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Speaker 4: we want our chunky Yellowstone National Park, we want tee Tons,

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Speaker 4: we want wilderness areas as state lands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff in there's restrictions on state lands about camping.

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Speaker 1: If you want to trap on state lands, you got

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Speaker 1: to go try to get some special permit to do it.

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Speaker 1: You got to put signs up telling everybody that's what

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Speaker 1: you're doing. You imagine, dude.

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Speaker 4: And in this state, we have a current plan paid

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Speaker 4: for by the taxpayers of Montana that has already analyzed

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Speaker 4: state lands for sale that just came out a couple

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Speaker 4: months ago.

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Speaker 8: So well, the the thing too, that is so again

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Speaker 8: back to the constitutional mandates in western states. The other

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Speaker 8: thing that's interesting about most state governments is you're not

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Speaker 8: allowed to deficit spend, right, So you're not allowed to

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Speaker 8: so you have to run. So federal government can deficit

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Speaker 8: spend if they want to, states can't. We had a

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Speaker 8: real bad fire this year. There's something gets brought up

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Speaker 8: a lot, right, So three I think it was like

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Speaker 8: three billion dollars were spent of federal dollars fighting wildfires

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Speaker 8: this year.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, fifty million dollar fire is very common.

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Speaker 8: Very common, right, So, like if you're a state and

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Speaker 8: you have a catastrope wildfire here which you can't forecast

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Speaker 8: or foresee, you just have to deal with it when

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Speaker 8: it's happening. I'm forecasting right now, I'm gonna write that down,

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Speaker 8: Steve take I'll.

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Speaker 1: Take that bet. No.

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Speaker 8: But like you, you're gonna what are you gonna do.

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Speaker 8: You're gonna tax your citizens, raise property taxes, raise sales tax.

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Speaker 8: You got to raise revenue. And uh, last time I checked,

1423
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Speaker 8: like people weren't wild about their property taxes going up,

1424
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Speaker 8: or sales tax or any other tax. So you're gonna

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Speaker 8: look around at your assets you can liquidate. First thing

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01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 8: you're gonna look to is like, what the hell can

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01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 8: we sell around here? You know, if my house, if

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Speaker 8: I was like going broke, I'd start looking around my house.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't sell my kids, but I started looking at

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Speaker 8: the furniture, whatever else I had. I would pets pets absolutely,

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01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 8: but my guns and bosa go last. But like you know,

1432
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Speaker 8: you start looking at what you got to sell. And

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01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 8: if what you have is a bunch of value to

1434
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Speaker 8: real estate, like for sure, you're gonna sell it. And

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Speaker 8: that's the I mean. And there is a long history

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Speaker 8: of every state in this country selling lots of public land.

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Speaker 8: You talk has sold more than fifty four percent of

1438
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Speaker 8: its state lands, more than half of what it was

1439
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Speaker 8: given a statehood.

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Speaker 1: So I could really make this strike home. If you're

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Speaker 1: one of our many listeners in Texas, I want you

1442
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Speaker 1: to ask yourself how much public land access do you

1443
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Speaker 1: enjoy in Texas? If you go like geez, that's a

1444
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: great question. I don't think I've ever been on much

1445
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: public land in Texas. It's because it was sold sold.

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Speaker 4: So the Utah deal just because they are pretty tidy numbers,

1447
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 4: they got it right around two billion dollars for the

1448
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 4: state lands that they sold. They did some trading with

1449
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 4: the Feds and got some coal claims and got a

1450
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Speaker 4: fifty million dollar check, but it all comes down to

1451
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 4: a little over two billion dollars for their little over

1452
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 4: four million acres of state land that they've already sold,

1453
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 4: which is about five hundred dollars an acre. Now, the

1454
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 4: recreation economy in Utah is about a little somewhere between

1455
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 4: like eight nine billion dollars a year, which is recreating

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01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 4: on federally managed public ground by and large.

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Speaker 5: I don't think.

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Speaker 4: Every time I've had this argument in the past with

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01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 4: folks that really want to make this happen, it is

1460
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 4: akin to having an argument with like an animal rights activist,

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01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 4: where it comes down to what we because it's ours,

1462
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 4: we should have it real and you're like, you want

1463
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 4: to go down the economic path, let's talk about the

1464
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Speaker 4: economic path. You want to go down the management path,

1465
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the management path. There's not a good argument,

1466
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 4: and it always comes down to, well, it's ours because

1467
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 4: we want it, and it's ridiculous, and like we've said before,

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01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 4: it often you're having that argument with people who think

1469
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 4: they have all these silver bullets about how poorly the

1470
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 4: forests are managed and all the things, but they cannot

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01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 4: say it properly because they don't go out and use them.

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 4: They're not on the landscape. They are the super removed

1473
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 4: entity making these big decisions, which is oddly enough the

1474
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 4: argument that they use to try to steal all the

1475
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 4: public land, and it's it's happening again and people need

1476
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 4: to plug in. I think a huge issue that we

1477
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 4: have is people don't know how to contextualize six hundred

1478
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 4: and forty million acres. You can't hunt and fish on

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Speaker 4: all six hundred and forty million acres of federally managed

1480
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 4: lands because of national parks, parts of refuges. There's infrastructure there,

1481
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 4: there's buildings and bathrooms and all the things. So it's

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Speaker 4: not six hundred and forty million acres. We have what

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Speaker 4: is at three hundred and fifty nine national parks I

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01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 4: think of which you can hunt on at least a

1485
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 4: portion of fifty nine of those national parks. But there's

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01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:19,520
Speaker 4: more privately owned acres in the United States set aside

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Speaker 4: for private wildlife enjoyment than in the entire national park system.

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Speaker 4: So when we talk about, oh, six hundred and forty

1489
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Speaker 4: million acres, that's a lot. Think about the national parks

1490
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Speaker 4: right now, think about western national parks where there's reservation

1491
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 4: systems and overcrowding, and then think about just removing a

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Speaker 4: handful of those.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I mean it's not to contradict that,

1494
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: but you could be like, well, how many kids. There's

1495
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: one hundred million kids in the US. Who cares about

1496
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: twenty of them? Like, well, the parents of those twenty

1497
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: So it's like it doesn't need to be you know,

1498
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: when people start losing access to the place that where

1499
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: they hunt and fish and their grandpa hunting fish and

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01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 1: they're you know, generation hunting fish, that part matters to them,

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01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: and that part is going to inevitably get rolled up

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: into this stuff.

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 4: And it and it is inevitably going to be worth

1504
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 4: more and more and more and more. And you know,

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01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 4: Teddy Roosevelt knew that he saw all the things that

1506
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 4: we see today just at an earlier time, and he

1507
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 4: said over and over again, we are not managing these

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Speaker 4: lands for us. We're managing these lands for the generations

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01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 4: to come, and we need to make sure that the

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01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 4: things that we enjoy today are here for those generations.

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Speaker 4: And in large part it was because if people don't

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01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 4: get to see them, get some understanding, then they will

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01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 4: be sold off. And I think all of us need

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01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 4: to figure out. And you know, when Trump was running

1515
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 4: for office the first time, we have them on record

1516
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 4: twice with different hunting publications because just like this election.

1517
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: I sat in the room listen to him say it. Yeah,

1518
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: so I'm not he said, quote, I'm not going to

1519
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: sell off your public lands.

1520
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 5: Yes, yep.

1521
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, Las Vegas, Nevada. Yeah, man, nope, January twenty

1522
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: sixteen and January twenty sixteen is Las Vegas.

1523
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 4: It's because the sportsman's vote was important then, it's important

1524
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 4: right now. But man, these groups are funded really well

1525
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 4: and they can take this public lands message that was

1526
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 4: very very effective back then and twist it right now

1527
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 4: to where people say the thing. But in Utah they're like, yes,

1528
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 4: we got them, because what we're talking about is state

1529
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 4: management of those lands and sell the sale of a

1530
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 4: lot of those lands. And again five hundred dollars an

1531
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 4: acre for the millions of acres that they've already sold. Like,

1532
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 4: if you can get five hundred dollars an acre for anything,

1533
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 4: you buy it right now.

1534
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it, Can I buy a bunch of.

1535
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 6: You might be able to actually just hold on, Well.

1536
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: There's there's something I need to do here, because when

1537
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: I hear about the loss of public access, however it happens, Okay,

1538
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: I have like like an emotional, visceral reaction where I

1539
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: do not want to see my my, my hunting and

1540
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: fishing brethren lose access to the places they like to

1541
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: hunt fish. Guy. But I also don't want to be

1542
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: hyperbolic here, so I want to like nail narrow in

1543
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 1: on focus on a point we've been raising as a

1544
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: sort of hypothetical and why And I'm trying to ask

1545
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: you this to you, Dave. I'm trying to ask you like,

1546
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: is this is this question about BLM land somehow being

1547
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: different if if I was sitting here talking to the

1548
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: architect of this suit. Would would that individual and we're

1549
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: not so, I'm just holding you to the fire here.

1550
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: Would that individual say, no, this would not extend to

1551
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 1: national forest This would not extend to Indian reservations, This

1552
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: would not extend to refuges, this would not extend to

1553
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: national parks. Because there's something distinct about BLM, right, would

1554
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: they tell me that? Or is it really that if

1555
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court says the BLM can't exist, like they

1556
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: can't hold land, is it really logical that someone would

1557
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: then say, Okay, I'll see you next Monday because we're

1558
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: going to talk about national forest land.

1559
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, let me unpack that just a little bit. I

1560
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 6: don't believe it's hyperbolic. Okay, I'm not a guy that

1561
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 6: does a lot of hyperbole.

1562
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: No, that's my problem with you.

1563
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 6: I know you need more of it from me. I

1564
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 6: tend to be a practicate.

1565
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,839
Speaker 1: Let's get the who's the one guy, the real measured

1566
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: guy who tries to be real fair all the time,

1567
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:04,879
Speaker 1: really solid information, but hot takes of David It depends.

1568
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 6: But this is why I say this. I'm not a

1569
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 6: guy that's usually very hyperbolic. I'm mentally flipping you off

1570
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 6: right now, but I'm not very hyperbolic. But I look

1571
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 6: at this and say, one, yes, they would absolutely come

1572
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 6: in here and say this only applies to the eighteen

1573
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 6: and a half million acres they apply to in their

1574
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 6: own complaint. They say it only applies to these because

1575
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 6: they're these unappropriated lands. And they say these other lands

1576
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 6: have been appropriated through acts of Congress, so we're not

1577
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 6: asking for those. So they'd tell you that. I'm telling

1578
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 6: you when I read that, if it's unconstitutional to own

1579
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 6: lands in perpetuity that aren't specifically enumerated in the Constitution,

1580
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 6: then that would mean it's that Congress can't come in

1581
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 6: and pass a law that says we're going to create

1582
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 6: a national park and all of a sudden, it's constitutional

1583
01:22:59,280 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 6: to own that.

1584
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same way they couldn't tomorrow without doing a

1585
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: constitutional amendment. They couldn't vote to ban certain constitutional rights,

1586
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: right like if the Democrats took control of the House

1587
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 1: and Senate presidency, they couldn't say it's illegal to own

1588
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 1: a gun. Right. It's a the hold of the battle right, right.

1589
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 6: So I'm looking at and saying public lands, all of

1590
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 6: them are at risk with this lawsuit, regardless of what

1591
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 6: UTAH tells you, what their lawyers might tell you, and

1592
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 6: regardless of what they wrote in their complaint, regardless what

1593
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 6: their PR campaign says. And I come out at this

1594
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 6: and I say, and this is to build off with

1595
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 6: something Brad said earlier as well. They're running this PR

1596
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 6: campaign that's saying your land's not going anywhere, We're just

1597
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 6: going to manage it, and you're going to have all

1598
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 6: this access. But if you actually read the complaint that

1599
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 6: they filed with the Supreme Court, you and you look

1600
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 6: into what they alleged, the harm is, what's the harm

1601
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 6: they're suffering?

1602
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 1: White economic?

1603
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, but what is the economic harm that The things

1604
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 6: they raise are we can't tax that land and we

1605
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 6: can't use eminent domain on that land to move transmission

1606
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 6: lines or roads or other infrastructure because it's federally owned.

1607
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 6: And my retort to that is, well, if it were

1608
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 6: transferred to you, you wouldn't be able to tax. You're

1609
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 6: not going to tax yourself, and you wouldn't need to

1610
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,839
Speaker 6: use eminent domain. You wouldn't need to use eminent domain

1611
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 6: to run transmission lines across state land. You'd just do it.

1612
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 6: The only reason you'd need those authorities if you're as

1613
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 6: if you're intent in the end is to sell it.

1614
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 6: And just because you have an administration right now and

1615
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 6: a law in place in Utah right now that says

1616
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 6: we're not going to sell it and here's how we're

1617
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,839
Speaker 6: going to manage it, doesn't mean that this transfer happens

1618
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 6: and a new administration comes in or the politics in

1619
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 6: Utah change and they just change the law, the state

1620
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 6: statute and then say it's it's the priority of us

1621
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 6: to make as much money off of this land as possible,

1622
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 6: and we're going to turn around sell it.

1623
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: This gets to the thing about when you're talking about

1624
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 1: something that you're not actually talking about, and it's got

1625
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 1: I think that like anyone, it's being intellectually honest. And

1626
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: if we had someone in who's the architect of this lawsuit,

1627
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: if they were being intellectually honest, they would have to

1628
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: admit that this is about divestiture and sale and development.

1629
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 6: Even one of the other. So there were amicus briefs

1630
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 6: filed right Thirteen additional states, through either their attorney general, governor,

1631
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 6: or legislature, filed amicus in support of Utah, saying take

1632
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,520
Speaker 6: the case. In one of them, there was a footnote

1633
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 6: in one of the briefs, did it. I'll just paraphrase, paraphrase.

1634
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 6: We think we want national parks too, right right, Yeah,

1635
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 6: that's right. The legislature, legislature what.

1636
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 1: A gold mine?

1637
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 12: Man?

1638
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, to hit yellow if wildly picked up Yellowstone, dude,

1639
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: because think about you could do, like if you did

1640
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: condo stuff and you did one hundred year leases even

1641
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 1: on condos, I mean you could develop gold. You could

1642
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: develop Yellstone National Park and just make gold literally because

1643
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 1: you could mine a lot of minerals do big developments

1644
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: put in ski hills. But the side imagine if you

1645
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: could buy your own hot spring and ship the other

1646
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: a gold mine.

1647
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 2: The crazy thing too, is i'd want it to want

1648
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 2: if the state of Wyoming had to manage Yellowstone tomorrow,

1649
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 2: like body for body, dollar for dollar.

1650
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 3: What the federal government does. I mean it's a double

1651
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:26,480
Speaker 3: state government.

1652
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 13: If you went and.

1653
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: Found whatever Hosers ran Big Sky, okay, whatever people originally

1654
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: put Big Sky together and like did a bunch of

1655
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: land swaps, got this hill, Yellowstone Club, all this bullshit, right,

1656
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: golf courses all over the place. If you wouldn't got

1657
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: that crew and you said, listen, man, we just got

1658
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: possession of Yellowstone National Park. What do you boys have

1659
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: in mind? They're gonna come up with a plant. They're

1660
01:26:55,040 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: gonna come up with a plant everywhere hotwater as you

1661
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: imagine the water slide to get on the water slide

1662
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: with their kid. They're not the whole line as they

1663
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: climb that ladder. They're not being like, oh, it's gonna

1664
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: be so cold. I know that feeling you get up

1665
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: there and it's hot water, come down to slide, you know.

1666
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 6: On the plus side, I might My dream trip has

1667
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 6: always been to backpack into or horsepack into the Thoroughfare

1668
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 6: and then pack craft Thoroughfare Creek down into Yellowstone Lake.

1669
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 6: But that's illegal because you can't be on have a

1670
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 6: floatated floatating floatation device sorry, a raft or anything like

1671
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 6: that on rivers or streams in Yellowstone. So maybe if

1672
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 6: the state took it over, I could actually fulfill my dream.

1673
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, first supporting this argument.

1674
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: But it's a gold mine. It's a gold mine. Yeah yeah,

1675
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: what are you gonna be able to haunt it for

1676
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: a minute?

1677
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's one of the things that kills

1678
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 4: me right now, man, I feel like it's uh, somebody's

1679
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 4: like trying to sell you a car and you're like, well,

1680
01:27:58,800 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 4: what about the warranty?

1681
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 5: Oh, don't worry about that, there will be one.

1682
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah.

1683
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1684
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, well the manager's drawing it up in

1685
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: the back right now.

1686
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 4: How are the the are the tires in good shape?

1687
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 9: Oh?

1688
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got tires. Okay, Well what kind of gas mileage?

1689
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 4: Oh we'll get to that.

1690
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and you're like, so you sure is good?

1691
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 6: Right?

1692
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1693
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 5: Should I be buying this car?

1694
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 4: And because it's not a who manages it best argument,

1695
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 4: it's not a I mean, all it is again is

1696
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 4: just coming down to we want it because we want it,

1697
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 4: and we're gonna make a bunch of money off of it.

1698
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 4: I mean that's all there is to it. And you know,

1699
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 4: it was hard to talk about this stuff during the

1700
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 4: election cycle because people were so charged up and they're like,

1701
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 4: oh god, if you're voting for public lands, you can't

1702
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 4: have your Second Amendment rights, or you're voting for transvestites,

1703
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 4: or you're voting for this, and you know, and it's

1704
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 4: like no, no, no, no no. If you stop and think

1705
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 4: about it, right now, you have your guns and you

1706
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 4: have public lands and access to them.

1707
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 5: All good.

1708
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 1: How did that happen?

1709
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 5: How did that happen?

1710
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 4: It's because we demanded to have it right, and that's

1711
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 4: exactly what we need to keep doing. And unfortunately, like

1712
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 4: I swear to God, every ten years, we need to

1713
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 4: re educate everybody and say no, no, no, no, you have

1714
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 4: got to stand up and make a big stink of

1715
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 4: about this. It is absolutely not a real thing that

1716
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 4: you have to give up rights over here in order

1717
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 4: to have access to public ground. I mean, if you

1718
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 4: guys remember the Monuments rescinding fight and all the jack

1719
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 4: wagons coming out. I think it was like Sean Hannity, right,

1720
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 4: was like monuments in Utah you can't physically touch them.

1721
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 5: Right, And people were like, you can't even walk on

1722
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 5: them there. It is Sean Hannity, where the hell he lives?

1723
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 5: And people in Utah and god knows what. Right they're like,

1724
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 5: You're like, what are you talking about?

1725
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: Get his loafers, get his loafers all dirty?

1726
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just it's so bizarre. It's

1727
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 4: like we just had this great talk with Field and

1728
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 4: Stream Australia just like kind of akin to like a

1729
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 4: Delta Water Fowler Ducks Unlimited Group and talking with those guys,

1730
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 4: it's like a dystopian future of what the US could

1731
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 4: be where there's there's protesters out in the marsh stealing

1732
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,879
Speaker 4: your ducks before they hit the water, trying to flare birds,

1733
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 4: and you know, really aggressive gun laws and and they

1734
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 4: have this whole experience that we could learn a lot from.

1735
01:30:55,960 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 4: And for years they've been telling folks and they were very,

1736
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,719
Speaker 4: very interested in the Banning Mountain lion fight, and they're

1737
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 4: interested in this public lands argument that's coming up again

1738
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 4: because they're like, well, boy, once the hunters went away,

1739
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 4: there was nobody telling people that marsh was of value.

1740
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 4: And now that marsh is egg land. And so now

1741
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 4: that we've actually gotten better regulations for duck hunters, and

1742
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 4: now it's not a future in question for at least

1743
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 4: the next couple of years. There's no duck hunters coming

1744
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:43,480
Speaker 4: back because the marsh is gone in this part of Victoria.

1745
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 4: And you know, it's like firearm possession has gone way

1746
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 4: way down because people are like, well, why do I

1747
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 4: need firearms when people were out there harassing me when

1748
01:31:55,320 --> 01:32:00,759
Speaker 4: I tried to go hunt. Like the it's all out

1749
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 4: there and it's a it's an amazing, horrifying tale. But

1750
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 4: it's like when you see this stuff, you see the

1751
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 4: Mountain lion bands, you see this argument that like people

1752
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 4: will literally email me and be like, you just don't

1753
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 4: even have a clue of how many public acres there are.

1754
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 4: That's the issue. I'm like, no, I do, I do?

1755
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 4: And it's not that much like do the math in

1756
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 4: the United States, Like we're hanging on to a very

1757
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 4: small amount.

1758
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 8: What do you think would happen? Something I've been thinking

1759
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 8: about this is like if one of the one of

1760
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 8: the things we all hear a lot about is like

1761
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 8: just hunter crowding, right, too many people in the field

1762
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 8: or you know, people get frustrated by it everywhere you go,

1763
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 8: and I'm talking about West in the West in particular.

1764
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 8: But the reason, part of the reason that there are

1765
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 8: so many people hunting is because well a people want

1766
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 8: to do it, and there's a lot of tags available

1767
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 8: in a lot of Western states. What do you think

1768
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:02,440
Speaker 8: would happen with just out of tags available, like opportunity

1769
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 8: to hunt? Let's talk like forget access, right, what do

1770
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 8: you think would happen with like tag availability?

1771
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm asking an honest question, because I don't know what

1772
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: the implications would be.

1773
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 4: Well, like if if the tags become unlimited and good

1774
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 4: luck finding access, that's what I'm saying.

1775
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 6: Wanting to get more fragmentation and development and animal numbers

1776
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 6: drop and tags drop.

1777
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1778
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 8: I just think about what is the potential opportunity laws

1779
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 8: for hunting in an already like finite environment where people

1780
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 8: are frustrated, Like, what.

1781
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,879
Speaker 1: Is that going to look like under this scenario?

1782
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 6: Can I also point out one legal piece that we

1783
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 6: haven't talked about. We've made some assumptions here. We're talking

1784
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 6: as if the result of this would be that land

1785
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 6: would be transferred to Utah and then they would sell it,

1786
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 6: because that's what they've asked for, and we presume that

1787
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 6: the court would give them what they ask for. That

1788
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 6: in their complaint they say dispose of lands in accordance

1789
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 6: with state law. And I frequently have to remind people

1790
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 6: that the federal courts are applying federal law and the

1791
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 6: United States Constitution, and that if they side with Utah,

1792
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 6: they actually would have to dispose of the lands in

1793
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 6: accordance with federal law, not state law, and that could

1794
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 6: mean it's the federal government selling the lands, and Utah

1795
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 6: may not be the high bidder. Like right now, the

1796
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 6: process that's laid out in flipma is for for sell

1797
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 6: of lands is you have a bidding process and you

1798
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 6: have to you have to sell them for the fair

1799
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,839
Speaker 6: market value of the land. But there's a bidding process.

1800
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 6: Maybe they're not the high bidder. Maybe we wind up

1801
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:39,759
Speaker 6: having to go to the Elon musk Arches Park. I mean,

1802
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 6: it's like there's that's a piece that we're the architects like.

1803
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 2: Dad, Yeah, I mean, because the state of Utah is

1804
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 2: not entitled to those lands legally.

1805
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 6: They they're trying to make the argument that they are,

1806
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 6: but they in their own constitution as a condition of statehood,

1807
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 6: which every Western state and like I have a spreadsheet

1808
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 6: of all the states with this, almost every state as

1809
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 6: a condition of statehood, had to give up all claims

1810
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 6: to and it actually they used the term unappropriated lands

1811
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 6: in these constitutional provisions, but unappropriated lands at the time

1812
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 6: meant non privately held lands. So they had to give

1813
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 6: up claims to those as a condition of admission to

1814
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,759
Speaker 6: the Union. So they know they don't have a legal

1815
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 6: claim that they forever gave up their legal claim to

1816
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 6: those lands. They're trying to say, there's this constitutional loophole.

1817
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 6: I guess, like you know, we've always interpreted this constitution

1818
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 6: wrong in it and and so the lands the federal

1819
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 6: government can't own them, and so by default they should

1820
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 6: come to us.

1821
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:48,959
Speaker 4: And that's why they give up from Australia owns southern Utah.

1822
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 6: And that's the risk I've had. I had somebody right

1823
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 6: to me recently and said, you know, one of the

1824
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 6: big risks with this case is just that you have

1825
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 6: a lot of people that are concerned about foreign governments

1826
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 6: buying up land in the United States. And what's going

1827
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 6: to happen if Utah wins this and they and the

1828
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 6: result isn't the transfer of the land to the state.

1829
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 6: The result is the federal government has to sell those lands.

1830
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 6: Who's going to buy them and it could be foreign governments.

1831
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 6: We don't know who's going to buy them. Maybe Utah

1832
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 6: buys it, maybe California buys all this land.

1833
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 1: And I want to I just want to undo all

1834
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: of the stuff I just did.

1835
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 11: There's a hot take for you, right, yeah, right, they

1836
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 11: just buy I don't think that the if I can

1837
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 11: speculate about what success looks like for these guys.

1838
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they care.

1839
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 8: If I mean, it would be great if you're a

1840
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 8: state of you're the guys in the state of Utah,

1841
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,799
Speaker 8: You're like ideal scenario, best case scenario.

1842
01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: We get the land, get to sell it and make

1843
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 1: some money. Right, We're happy. But if they I don't

1844
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: think they really care. I think they would enter it. It

1845
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: would enter into general it would generate the kind of

1846
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 1: economic activity they're looking for philosophical right now. Yeah, yeah,

1847
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: that they agree.

1848
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 8: With philosophically, which is like there's a philosophical problem they

1849
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 8: seem to have with the idea of public land when

1850
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:17,799
Speaker 8: you come down to the intentiment.

1851
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 1: So like like if a bunch of big sky guys

1852
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: had it, they'd.

1853
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 6: Be glad, they be happy to tax it.

1854
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the Chinese government bought it, like, I don't

1855
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 1: know if they'd be happy or Cal bring up a

1856
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 1: really good point. I'm going to verge into ground. I'm

1857
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: gonna verge very briefly into territory that I don't like

1858
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 1: to on this podcast. But but Cal made a point

1859
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 1: about talking about this after the election, like I'm speaking

1860
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 1: very I'm not speaking for anybody in the room with me,

1861
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 1: but I'm speaking very personally. After the election, there was

1862
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 1: so many areas I was happy about, Like, uh, I

1863
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 1: was very happy about border security. I was very happy

1864
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: about crime. I was very happy about free speech issues.

1865
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: I could go on and on and on of stuff

1866
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: I was elated about. But part of my head was like,

1867
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 1: you know what, though, this ain't gonna be good for

1868
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: public land. And I think that voters and like Americans

1869
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: voters whoever, have to realize no political party is ever

1870
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: gonna do everything you wish it did. You will always

1871
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: make a compromise. And if anyone thinks deep, when a

1872
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: political party gets together and to have a convention and

1873
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 1: they lay out there like the planks in their platform,

1874
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: you will never find representation of all of your ideals

1875
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 1: and all of your dreams within two political parties in

1876
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: this country that they decide the agenda. It's never gonna

1877
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: be that they all line up. And you do not

1878
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: need to sit and think that I have to support

1879
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: everything that party says.

1880
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 2: Apparently you haven't read the eighteen thirty six Wig party platform.

1881
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 1: You like gives me warm fuzzies, you joke, Jo, let's

1882
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: trying to do an impassioned speech ruined it. Great joke

1883
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 1: though you like you have to like you just look

1884
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: and admit no party will represent all represent all of

1885
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: your interests. So if you get the party you want,

1886
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 1: there's still work after the fact to go like, Okay,

1887
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: now I need to make micro adjustments, like I got

1888
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 1: who I want, Like you know, I have who I

1889
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: want in the White House, I have who I want

1890
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: and Senate whatever. But these people that I support, I'm

1891
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 1: talking about whoever's out there, these people I support, have

1892
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: to ease off this issue because this is not representing me,

1893
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 1: it's not representing other constituent members. And remember we went

1894
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 1: through this, We went through this ten years ago. I

1895
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: remember all these surveys of what percent of hunters in

1896
01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: Utah hunt on public land? What percent of Montana's on

1897
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: public land? What percent of people in Wyoming hunt on

1898
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 1: public land? Well it being like like sixty eight percent

1899
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 1: of hunters or something like that. Like in this day,

1900
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: I think it was like sixty eight or seventy percent

1901
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 1: of hunters hunt on public land. And hunters, like you know,

1902
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 1: this is not a this is not like a rule,

1903
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:27,600
Speaker 1: but it's generally true. Hunters have generally Hunters generally vote Republican. Uh,

1904
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: we need to convince them to not go down this path.

1905
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 6: I don't think the Hunters need convincing.

1906
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 1: No, no, no, right, yeah, hunters need to say, like, listen, man,

1907
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: I got you, border security, I'm with you, the whole

1908
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: list of things. I'm with you, But listen to this

1909
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 1: public lands thing. This is not for us.

1910
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 6: It shouldn't be a political issue at all, and everything political. Well,

1911
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 6: but the polling data suggests it's really not for public lands.

1912
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 6: Like support of public lands is. It's like nonpartisans. That's

1913
01:40:58,600 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 6: why everybody supports it.

1914
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: That's why it's become a word. It's it's a little

1915
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: bit years ago, we went to Rob Bishop's office in Utah,

1916
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 1: had a conversation on this podcast with Rob Bishop and

1917
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: and uh, very respectful he was. He was great. Okay,

1918
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 1: it was very respectful conversation about some things we don't

1919
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: agree on. I would do it again with his with

1920
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 1: his current counterpart.

1921
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 13: Uh.

1922
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 1: And it was funny because everyone likes the word access, right,

1923
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: we sort of agreed like we like we like just

1924
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: just like conservation, Like what hell does that mean?

1925
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 6: You know?

1926
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,440
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, are you for a conservation?

1927
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:32,640
Speaker 6: No?

1928
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: No politician in Americas to say no, I hate conservation.

1929
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, yeah, because I know what I mean when

1930
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 1: I say it, And then it's not what you mean

1931
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 1: when you say it, But when I say it, I

1932
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And Rob Bishop kept on about access, access, access,

1933
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 1: and you think he means like increasing like that there'd

1934
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 1: be more land for the public to use. What he

1935
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 1: means is basically, yeah, access for semi trucks, yeah, or

1936
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 1: whatever I put words about. But you know, like when

1937
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 1: he says like, everyone's like, I'm pro access, Oh me too,

1938
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: me too? What kind of access in particular? Here's what

1939
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm about. What are you talking about? I mean like

1940
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 1: that you can drive your truck more places. Everyone likes access, right.

1941
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 4: I think I think he used recreational vehicles, like like

1942
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 4: if you can't drive that up there and hook it up, yep,

1943
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 4: that's not access to me.

1944
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 1: So you get these words that get squishy, and I

1945
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:29,599
Speaker 1: think it's like after that big public land shootout from

1946
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: ten years ago, most politicians are like, man, okay, there's

1947
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: one lesson I learned here. Do not get labeled an

1948
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 1: anti public lands person. So it hasn't changed what you're after.

1949
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: But you're like, Okay, so from now on rhetorically, I

1950
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 1: have to be more careful. Yeah, and I have to

1951
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 1: say this is for public lands, meaning for me, I'm

1952
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 1: pro public lands for me, right, And people were like, oh, yeah,

1953
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,560
Speaker 1: he's pro public plans, he said, So it's like he

1954
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 1: wants some too.

1955
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 2: I think to your earlier point about like the election

1956
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 2: is not it doesn't end there, right, Like this is

1957
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 2: where conservation groups especially are very effective because like they're

1958
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 2: they're getting ready to work with the new administration, and

1959
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,679
Speaker 2: like there's there's multiple ways that you can apply pressure

1960
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 2: to decision makers, and there's one way like in the

1961
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 2: last big cycle, I mean there's this huge public outcry, right,

1962
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,759
Speaker 2: and like you saw rallies and you saw people taking

1963
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 2: their shots at Jason Chafitz. But I think too, like

1964
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 2: this is where the rubber meets the road in terms

1965
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 2: of like having policy groups lean in and have conversations

1966
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 2: with with decision makers and try to get them to

1967
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 2: see all the different sides of the issue.

1968
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like you can't ever.

1969
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 2: Sort of step back from the policy making process for

1970
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 2: four years as a as an engaged hunter or angler, right,

1971
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 2: you got to support the groups that are working on

1972
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 2: your behalf. You got to talk to your lawmakers when

1973
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 2: you have a chance, because like we're all sort of

1974
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 2: enjoying the uh no more marketing calls from campaign offices.

1975
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,440
Speaker 3: My mailbox hasn't seen a flyer in days. It's fantastic.

1976
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 2: Just bills and and uh, you know, bills. Yeah yeah,

1977
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 2: but like like it, we're just now getting started on

1978
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:36,759
Speaker 2: this stuff, you know, like in terms of as a country,

1979
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 2: like this is the road is way far ahead of us.

1980
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 3: Even though we feel like we can kind of.

1981
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 2: Get a break from politics as we've been seeing it

1982
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 2: on our TVs for the past year.

1983
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 1: I read all through the campaign, like I read voraciously, Like, uh,

1984
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 1: I follow it as an American, I follow someone's just

1985
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 1: like I'm just interested in politics. Maybe I missed it.

1986
01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that this issue came up.

1987
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:03,839
Speaker 6: It came up in a way tell me housing, yeah.

1988
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's how the Montana deal ends.

1989
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, So it came up in the context of we

1990
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 6: need more housing in this country, and it actually came

1991
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 6: up in one of the I think it was in

1992
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 6: the presidential debate even of uh, there are all these

1993
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 6: public lands out there that and I can't remember the

1994
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 6: exact way it was phrased it, but it was like

1995
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 6: they're not being used for anything right now. We we

1996
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 6: should be using them to address the nation's housing crisis.

1997
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 6: And you can see in Utah places maybe like the

1998
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 6: Wahsatche Front where there's a lot of overcrowding starting to occur.

1999
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:38,719
Speaker 6: You could in the Las Vegas area is another great

2000
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:43,719
Speaker 6: example where you're going to see pushes for using public

2001
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 6: lands and it could be bipartisan for housing. Yeah, and

2002
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 6: we have to have a serious conversation about places.

2003
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:56,680
Speaker 1: Democrats thousands of tiny homes. If the Republicans win, it

2004
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:58,400
Speaker 1: will be eight really big homes.

2005
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 4: But you know, the FEDS worked with the state of

2006
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:07,599
Speaker 4: Nevada and they they did give up some BLM land

2007
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 4: there in Vegas.

2008
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 6: So it's not like there's a process.

2009
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 2: There is.

2010
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:12,400
Speaker 5: There is a process, right.

2011
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 8: It does happen occasionally, and you know that's something that frankly,

2012
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 8: this is what Congress exists for. I mean, there have

2013
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 8: been plenty of to your point Nevada bills that protected

2014
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 8: public land and gave land specifically to be sold for

2015
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 8: development around Vegas.

2016
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't think many.

2017
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 8: I don't know if you guys remember Harry Reid Yeah,

2018
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 8: Harry Reid back when he was in charge of Center,

2019
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 8: like he was the he was the unofficial king of

2020
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:37,839
Speaker 8: doing these these big land deals.

2021
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 1: So point is like there's a process.

2022
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 8: If there are legitimate issues like housing crisis or whatever, like,

2023
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 8: there are ways you can go about addressing those issues

2024
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 8: in a reasonable way. I just want to say one

2025
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:51,719
Speaker 8: thing you said, see, which I think is really important.

2026
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:55,720
Speaker 8: I think too often people assume that whoever they support

2027
01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 8: politically is like they're going to represent my one hundred

2028
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 8: percent of what I believe one hundred percent of the time,

2029
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 8: and I can just check out after I voted. And

2030
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 8: I think people, especially on this issue, like if you

2031
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:10,679
Speaker 8: hunt and fish, if you like to ride dirt bikes,

2032
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 8: whatever you like to do in public land, park, your

2033
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 8: a TV or your RV or whatever, like, you really

2034
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 8: do need to pay attention to this issue because it's

2035
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 8: not going away. And like I said, I think one

2036
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 8: of the really annoying things to me is when I

2037
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 8: look at the people that are behind this, I've never

2038
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 8: seen one of them holding the gun out on public land.

2039
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 1: Maybe they do, Like remember that photo Jason Chase looking

2040
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 1: with a Wiener dog.

2041
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 8: You know what I mean, it's like, I don't think

2042
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 8: they don't do the things that we do. They don't understand,

2043
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 8: and so like help them understand. It's an opportunity. They

2044
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,520
Speaker 8: may not want to understand, but make them understand.

2045
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 1: That's our job. That's your job. They work for us.

2046
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 1: When you're when you're if you're sitting at home thinking like,

2047
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:59,120
Speaker 1: how could I ever, you know, go again, or how

2048
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 1: could I ever like go against some aspect of the

2049
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 1: political party I involved in. Ask yourself this when you

2050
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: read about when the campaign's going on, and you read

2051
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:13,600
Speaker 1: about those million dollar a plate dinners, every one of

2052
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 1: those people going to those dinners is saying when they

2053
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 1: get their chance, they're saying, we could really use some help,

2054
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:28,680
Speaker 1: every one of them. It's a caveat, it's conditional. One thing,

2055
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 1: I could really use some help. I remember I went

2056
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,640
Speaker 1: to a dinner one time and I'll sit next. I

2057
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,640
Speaker 1: had dinner and I'll sit with a senator from Wyoming,

2058
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 1: and he was being he was being awarded a prize

2059
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: for having really done this kind of like very like

2060
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 1: esoteric sort of legal maneuver which helped the bison meat industry, Okay,

2061
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: And they were honoring him at the dinner because he had.

2062
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: They had this like economic annoying. They had this annoyance,

2063
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: this sort of like regulatory annoyance, and they were thanking

2064
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 1: him for the help on this regulatory annoyance. He didn't

2065
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: campaign on that you might not even be aware of.

2066
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 1: But people come and say, I love you, man, I

2067
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: love you. Here's some money. I could really use some

2068
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: help on whatever. There's nothing wrong with going to your

2069
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 1: party that you voted for. It represents you voted for us,

2070
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: says ma'am. Most of everything you're talking about is great.

2071
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 6: Man.

2072
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 1: We could really use some help on this public lands

2073
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 1: issue because we hunt that ship.

2074
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, you can go to the vote party that

2075
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 4: you didn't vote for too. You know, hey, I gotta

2076
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 4: be honest. I didn't vote for you on this. Here's

2077
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:35,960
Speaker 4: part of what you do that that I do agree with.

2078
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 4: Get on board with this, and you know, you might

2079
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 4: have my vote in four years or whenever that turns up. Like,

2080
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 4: there's nothing that says you have to vote for the

2081
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:47,839
Speaker 4: person to go visit their office. There's no prerection.

2082
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 6: Money doesn't. You don't have to donate either. Now I

2083
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 6: want to make sure like money.

2084
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just trying to help people understand that that's

2085
01:49:56,320 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 1: what those conversations are. Those conversations aren't do everything you're doing.

2086
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 1: It's like they're all that, but also this, hey.

2087
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 3: Tell me about where you grew up.

2088
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 6: But I wanted to say, like I I worked for

2089
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 6: a governor, former governor, right, and hearing from people, particularly

2090
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,760
Speaker 6: in state. I mean, we took calls from people out

2091
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 6: of state, but it really mattered when people called from

2092
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 6: in state and had an issue that they really cared about.

2093
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 6: It mattered to the governor, it mattered to us as

2094
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 6: his staff. It could have been one person calling in

2095
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,640
Speaker 6: and they might raise an issue that we hadn't even

2096
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:38,679
Speaker 6: thought about. That's a great point where we'll get on that. Right.

2097
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:41,679
Speaker 6: It's but when you start hearing from a lot of people,

2098
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 6: when it's this tidle wave coming at you of people

2099
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 6: like it, particularly in these Western states, where it's a

2100
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 6: tidal wave of hunters coming at you saying you know, here,

2101
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 6: here's what we want to see. They take it really,

2102
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 6: really seriously. You don't have to be a big donor.

2103
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 6: You don't have heck, you don't have to safe you

2104
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 6: voted or not.

2105
01:51:01,080 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 1: I think it helps to be a big donor.

2106
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 5: You keep saying that.

2107
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 6: I'm telling you from my position is I maybe it

2108
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 6: maybe it did behind it and I didn't know about it,

2109
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 6: but it mattered. Anybody that called it mattered. And I

2110
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 6: guess my point is, you know people out listening and whatnot,

2111
01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:18,639
Speaker 6: right like picking up the phone and calling your governor's

2112
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:20,600
Speaker 6: office or calling your congressional delegation.

2113
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:22,960
Speaker 3: That matters.

2114
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 6: You can build relationships there, you can get information there,

2115
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,880
Speaker 6: and it can make it really can make a difference.

2116
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:32,800
Speaker 4: When it's it's an easy thing to do Cal.

2117
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 1: That's first thing Cal does every morning when he wakes up.

2118
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:43,600
Speaker 1: Let's you know, it's very good about letting Hell representatives know.

2119
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 1: It's great.

2120
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:45,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

2121
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: When I brought up like it was like how much

2122
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,000
Speaker 1: it was or was not a big campaign issue the

2123
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:53,200
Speaker 1: presidential election, I was kind of getting at this idea

2124
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 1: that this might still be regarded as with the incoming administration,

2125
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:02,120
Speaker 1: new new Senate House, this still might be you know,

2126
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,439
Speaker 1: this could be regarded as a fringe issue, right, Like

2127
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 1: it could be that the jury still out on this.

2128
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:08,880
Speaker 1: Like if you went to the Trump administration said love

2129
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 1: everything you're doing, but chill out about the border. You're

2130
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 1: not gonna get anywhere, right, like that's that's that stone

2131
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 1: is that's been cast, right? That was a run on

2132
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 1: the issue of of like, hey, you came out against

2133
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:27,840
Speaker 1: this in twenty fifteen, you like verbalized opposition to divestiture

2134
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:31,160
Speaker 1: of public lands in twenty fifteen. How much ever, you know,

2135
01:52:31,439 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 1: like you knew enough to bring it up. You guys

2136
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 1: didn't do a bunch around that, and like, we would

2137
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: really appreciate not having to go down this path again

2138
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:42,840
Speaker 1: of talking about fewer acres of hunting and fish on.

2139
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 6: Do you remember the Return Act? Yeah, that you know,

2140
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,439
Speaker 6: the act that was introduced what a couple of years

2141
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 6: ago now that would have gutted Pittman Robertson and all

2142
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,960
Speaker 6: the money that goes into state wildlife agencies, and how

2143
01:52:56,320 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 6: hunters went apoplectic over that and because of that, and

2144
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 6: they flooded offices of sponsors of that and co sponsors

2145
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:09,720
Speaker 6: of that bill dropped off before the phone was hung up.

2146
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 6: They're like, oh, man, I did not realize what I

2147
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 6: signed up for. Get me off of this thing. I

2148
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 6: think this has to turn into that. Like I view

2149
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,799
Speaker 6: this as one of those you know, the hunting community

2150
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 6: view the Pittman Robertson Act is one of the like

2151
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 6: it's the most one of the most fundamental tenants to

2152
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,840
Speaker 6: support the North American model is having the resources to

2153
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 6: do it right and not having money diverted to other purposes.

2154
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 6: It has to be the same thing in my mind

2155
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 6: for public lands. Like the hunters and anglers have to

2156
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 6: go apoplectic over this. So it's something that politicians just

2157
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 6: don't want to touch. Right now, you have thirteen, well

2158
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:53,559
Speaker 6: fourteen states counting Utah, you have fourteen states that have

2159
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:55,880
Speaker 6: said we think the court should take a look at this.

2160
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 6: That's making it more mainstream than I want to see

2161
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 6: it absolutely right, And so I kind of analysis make

2162
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 6: the analogy of like this should be like that return act,

2163
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 6: like this, this is so fundamental to who we are

2164
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 6: as a country and what we do and and you know,

2165
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:15,640
Speaker 6: our livelihoods and and personal endeavors and so forth. Yeah,

2166
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 6: like it's that important that it should be taken that seriously.

2167
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:21,360
Speaker 6: It shouldn't be allowed to get legs. It should it

2168
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:23,360
Speaker 6: needs to stay on the fringe, and it shouldn't be

2169
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,559
Speaker 6: allowed to get legs. So there's me making an opinion

2170
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 6: like I came off the f.

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01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:31,040
Speaker 1: From the top rope. There's there's a there's a there's

2172
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 1: an opinion. I want to clarify her too, because I

2173
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:34,840
Speaker 1: just want to make sure that, like I'm clear of

2174
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at. Uh if if the state, if

2175
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 1: a state was suing, because because here's a state and

2176
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 1: they said, you know what we want to do. We

2177
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 1: want to we want to give a sort of toned

2178
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 1: down Wilderness Act protection to all BLM land. We don't

2179
01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 1: think that you're protecting it enough for future generations. And

2180
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: we have this whole system by which we're going to

2181
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 1: take this land from you to be and we're going

2182
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 1: to create wilderness areas all over the place. I would

2183
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:08,280
Speaker 1: be like, that's a great idea. I hope they win

2184
01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:13,520
Speaker 1: that lawsuit. To me, it's not, it's not I should

2185
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:19,080
Speaker 1: just be clear, Like to me, it's not who has it,

2186
01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 1: it's what is allowed to happen there and what is

2187
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 1: not allowed to happen there. It's like, it's not whose

2188
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: name is on it, it's what is the way, what

2189
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 1: is the most likely path that would be that me,

2190
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 1: my kids, future generations, wildlife and perpetuity has a place

2191
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 1: to exist, right And it's like I'm going to go

2192
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 1: with whatever I think is the greatest chance to create

2193
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: continued habitat, continue to access for people to pursue outdoor activities.

2194
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:56,280
Speaker 1: And I just feel like, and when I see kind

2195
01:55:56,280 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 1: of the arguments and the players, I I questioned that

2196
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 1: I feel that this is not moving in that this

2197
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:05,520
Speaker 1: is not going to move in that direction. I feel

2198
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:08,040
Speaker 1: that this is going to move to fewer acres of

2199
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 1: wildlife habitat, fewer acres of public land for people to

2200
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 1: recreate on. It ain't gonna be good.

2201
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, Well, yeah, yeah.

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01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:20,560
Speaker 5: We used to talk about this just all the time.

2203
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 6: Right.

2204
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 4: We'd go out and lobby in DC and talk to people.

2205
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 4: And it's interesting because we have somebody who represents the

2206
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 4: nonprofit space and then we have a business owner entrepreneur. Right,

2207
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:36,839
Speaker 4: And this is something that I used to get tapped

2208
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 4: with all the time. Right, It's like, hey, can you

2209
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 4: come join this fly into d C because all it

2210
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 4: is is individuals and nonprofits. We need some we need

2211
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,920
Speaker 4: the business aspect, right. And I would go in on

2212
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:52,680
Speaker 4: behalf of First Light and say, hey, we're this Idaho business.

2213
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:55,360
Speaker 4: This is how many people we employed, this is you know,

2214
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:58,480
Speaker 4: roughly how much buying and selling that we're doing. Our

2215
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:03,160
Speaker 4: economic impact I'd try to frame up and then I

2216
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 4: would tell them about our origin story on public lands,

2217
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 4: Like our whole thing is selling to people who have

2218
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 4: these big places to go out and push themselves. Like

2219
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 4: we love the people that sit in box Lindes. I've

2220
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:23,919
Speaker 4: had a lot of fun sitting in a box line.

2221
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 4: But the reality is you don't need this stuff. We

2222
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,040
Speaker 4: want you to get it, but you really don't need

2223
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 4: it in a heated room on stilts, right.

2224
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is how the stuff was developed.

2225
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 4: It's part of our experience by going out and trying

2226
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:44,640
Speaker 4: to go deeper or push harder, get to the top

2227
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:47,200
Speaker 4: of the mountain faster on public lands. That's why we

2228
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 4: developed this clothing line. This is why we keep developing

2229
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 4: this clothing line. This is how our brand is growing

2230
01:57:54,680 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 4: by talking to people about public lands and engaging them

2231
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 4: where they want to be. And don't jeopardize this because

2232
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:06,920
Speaker 4: you're going to kill this business and you're going to

2233
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:08,600
Speaker 4: kill our economic impact.

2234
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:09,879
Speaker 1: Talking your own language.

2235
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that is It's pretty funny. You can see

2236
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,560
Speaker 4: the more rooms you go into, it's like they're checking

2237
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 4: the box. Right, It's like, okay, heard from the nonprofits.

2238
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 5: What else you got? Oh, what's your deal.

2239
01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 4: It's like, can they kind of glaze over if it's

2240
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,960
Speaker 4: another nonprofit person and they're like.

2241
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:31,040
Speaker 5: Oh, oh, okay, that's different. What's that? And it's like, okay,

2242
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:33,680
Speaker 5: got the carpenters, great, then move on.

2243
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 6: Move on, you know.

2244
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 8: So I think that's why maybe I'd take it so

2245
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:41,360
Speaker 8: personally this issue is I hunt private land.

2246
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 1: I've got at least in Oklahoma.

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01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 8: I like hunting private land too, So it's not like

2248
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:50,680
Speaker 8: I don't hunt private land. But my you know, the ideas,

2249
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 8: I mean, I have been on public The ideas for

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01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 8: my products, the ideas for my business have all been

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01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:58,120
Speaker 8: forced on public land. All my best ideas have happened

2252
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:01,160
Speaker 8: on hunting trips in public, on public plant. It's the

2253
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 8: only place I have to think get away from crazy world, right.

2254
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 8: I think that's like a common thing, and so just

2255
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,839
Speaker 8: you know, yes, would it affect like businesses like ours,

2256
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 8: like and First Light and others like, Absolutely, there's undeniable.

2257
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 8: But it's more than that.

2258
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:19,280
Speaker 1: For me. This is personal.

2259
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 8: You're talking about coming after like my sanctuary, and that's

2260
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 8: what like is so visceral for me with this issue

2261
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:29,840
Speaker 8: because it's yes, those are all true, but I think

2262
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 8: people tend to even like tune out the business argument.

2263
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:35,280
Speaker 8: They're like, how many billions of dollars are recreation blah

2264
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:35,840
Speaker 8: blah blah.

2265
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 1: It's like I don't care.

2266
01:59:37,160 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 8: I care about that, but ultimately, what I really care

2267
01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 8: about is like, you're coming after my home and that

2268
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:44,560
Speaker 8: pisses me off, right, So you're coming after the thing

2269
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 8: that I really care about. I can deal with losing money.

2270
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:49,640
Speaker 8: I can't deal with losing my home, and neither can

2271
01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:52,200
Speaker 8: my kids, to like, just keep your damn hands off

2272
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 8: of it.

2273
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:56,320
Speaker 1: That's the thing when when people when defenders of when

2274
01:59:56,360 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 1: public land defenders, when wildlife habitat defenders go down the

2275
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:03,760
Speaker 1: pa of talking about money. Yeah, I always am like like,

2276
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 1: I'll let them do it if they win. If they win,

2277
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:09,840
Speaker 1: I let them do it. But I'm always like a

2278
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:11,920
Speaker 1: little bit like, man, I would be careful you're treading

2279
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:16,160
Speaker 1: some dangerous territory, because are you telling me that if

2280
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 1: wildlife didn't make financial sense, you wouldn't wind it around anymore?

2281
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:25,160
Speaker 1: Like watch the language, man, because uh, you could tell

2282
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 1: me that wildlife costs money and I'd be like, okay, whatever, Yeah,

2283
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't change my mind about it. So I'm always

2284
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:36,840
Speaker 1: like a little bit like, hey, you know the tread

2285
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:39,880
Speaker 1: a little lightly about this whole financial thing. It's emotional.

2286
02:00:40,680 --> 02:00:42,760
Speaker 1: It should be emotional because if someone said to me,

2287
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:44,560
Speaker 1: it wouldn't take very long for them to convince me

2288
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:46,120
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, those kids years have cost

2289
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:50,200
Speaker 1: you a lot of money. I would be like, oh shit,

2290
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:52,960
Speaker 1: all right, take them away.

2291
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:55,120
Speaker 5: They looked at it like that.

2292
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:57,680
Speaker 8: I mean, I think you said it, like what everything

2293
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:01,400
Speaker 8: doesn't have to justify itself economically to exist in this world?

2294
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:06,080
Speaker 1: Right? And yeah, that's why I still got your convertible,

2295
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean, not yours, but.

2296
02:01:09,200 --> 02:01:15,640
Speaker 8: I love that one, right, chryst Or Sea bring Could

2297
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:17,720
Speaker 8: you imagine that, honey would be amazing?

2298
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:21,240
Speaker 1: That would be sweet, guys, I got I'm gonna bring

2299
02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:22,800
Speaker 1: something full circle on to give you a chance. But

2300
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:26,600
Speaker 1: we started out this show talking about the podcast trivia,

2301
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,000
Speaker 1: uh and then and then we got a bunch of

2302
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:31,480
Speaker 1: kids coming in here in a minute to record our

2303
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:36,800
Speaker 1: kids trivia tournament for our kids podcast. So we're gonna

2304
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 1: wrap it up in a minute. But I want to

2305
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:40,200
Speaker 1: give you guys a chance to have any We used

2306
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:42,080
Speaker 1: to do a thing in the old days where you

2307
02:01:42,120 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 1: get a closing thought.

2308
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:45,600
Speaker 5: The long line I remember remember that.

2309
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 1: And I'd like to extend that courtesy. Do you guys

2310
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:51,160
Speaker 1: in our waning minutes here, if you have a closing

2311
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 1: thought and uh, if you could within that closing thought,

2312
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:58,480
Speaker 1: someone could have the the also do like a little

2313
02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:00,480
Speaker 1: bit of here's how to follow a long what's gonna

2314
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:04,240
Speaker 1: happen with this whole thing? You want to want me

2315
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:06,480
Speaker 1: to go first or already did mine? Mine was the

2316
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:09,680
Speaker 1: one I was talking all about how when I was

2317
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:12,840
Speaker 1: talking all about how everybody I could vote for a

2318
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:15,440
Speaker 1: party and then go say, but dude, chill out about

2319
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:16,440
Speaker 1: this public landsdeal.

2320
02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:20,840
Speaker 8: I think I've already said mine, this is personal, should

2321
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:24,480
Speaker 8: be personal for you, stay vigilant, and if I may,

2322
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:27,960
Speaker 8: I still I think there's an open question around whether

2323
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:30,840
Speaker 8: or not Guy Fierti is the favor town.

2324
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:32,520
Speaker 5: I was going to go back to Flavortown with my

2325
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:33,360
Speaker 5: closing thought.

2326
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:40,720
Speaker 2: Well, Randa, I think my closing thought, I said, at

2327
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:42,960
Speaker 2: the very outset of this, which is, we know Guy

2328
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:46,000
Speaker 2: Fierti is the mayor of Flavortown.

2329
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we might have some hanging

2330
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:49,400
Speaker 1: chads in that vote.

2331
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 3: Bush v. Gore another original.

2332
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,520
Speaker 6: Assert went right that went right to the Supreme Court.

2333
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:57,400
Speaker 1: Well, I made a reference that you didn't catch. I said,

2334
02:02:57,440 --> 02:03:00,560
Speaker 1: who's the president? Oh no, I caught that. Why you're

2335
02:03:00,640 --> 02:03:03,640
Speaker 1: going back and redoing my line, Well, because you're just

2336
02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 1: doing it for all the people that didn't catch it. Yeah,

2337
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 1: try to take credit.

2338
02:03:06,840 --> 02:03:09,000
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean it's been a while since we

2339
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:09,520
Speaker 3: should we go?

2340
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:10,400
Speaker 1: Okay?

2341
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:12,760
Speaker 2: Plus I wanted to show that I could think of another.

2342
02:03:14,120 --> 02:03:18,600
Speaker 1: Can I share it quick? We're going we're going on

2343
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:20,760
Speaker 1: a hunting trip. This is before like you couldn't no

2344
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:23,520
Speaker 1: inreaches and stuff, Okay, whatever the hell you're that was,

2345
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:25,440
Speaker 1: And we're going on a hunting trip. And we're like

2346
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:27,760
Speaker 1: everybody's like, okay, well as soon as the election, everyonet

2347
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:30,360
Speaker 1: to see the election, because we're going sometime around that window.

2348
02:03:31,120 --> 02:03:35,320
Speaker 1: So the morning after the election, we're going on a

2349
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:38,040
Speaker 1: long trip in the back country. I'm like, damn, how

2350
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:39,640
Speaker 1: could it be? You don't know who the president is?

2351
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:42,440
Speaker 1: There's nobody to talk to anybody for four or five days,

2352
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:44,560
Speaker 1: and then like the whole time, just dying to go

2353
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:47,280
Speaker 1: find out and come back like they still don't know.

2354
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,000
Speaker 1: We didn't miss anything after all.

2355
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 6: All right, So mister hot take, I'm going to have

2356
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:59,560
Speaker 6: another hot take. I feel like, I feel like now

2357
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:00,000
Speaker 6: I'm just.

2358
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:06,000
Speaker 1: Two in one day. Yeah, that should be the thing

2359
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:08,960
Speaker 1: with Dave. We have David and he has a given opinion,

2360
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:11,160
Speaker 1: and take a shot.

2361
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:13,160
Speaker 6: Just see where we are now.

2362
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:16,080
Speaker 1: Just try to get him to pound table to solve

2363
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:18,480
Speaker 1: the problems. Toward the end of the night, he pounds

2364
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:19,520
Speaker 1: the table, will know we wont.

2365
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:25,480
Speaker 6: So I guess my closing thought is a thought and

2366
02:04:25,480 --> 02:04:28,600
Speaker 6: then a hot take. And then you said where you can, Yeah,

2367
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Speaker 6: how do you find pay attention? Yeah, So the thing

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Speaker 6: I'd say is apathy is not an option, you know,

2369
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:42,400
Speaker 6: apathy and thinking this is just going to go away, saying, ah,

2370
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Speaker 6: this is just a fringe issue. This lawsuit doesn't really

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02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:49,200
Speaker 6: have any merit. It's going to go away. When you

2372
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Speaker 6: take that position, you wind up in it in a

2373
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:55,200
Speaker 6: spot where bad things happen, right, And so you know,

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Speaker 6: I think it's incumbent upon everybody to really be vid

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02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:04,040
Speaker 6: and diligent. And I go back to this. You have

2376
02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:07,040
Speaker 6: to be in touch with your delegation, you have to

2377
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:09,120
Speaker 6: be in touch with your governor's office, you have to

2378
02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:11,560
Speaker 6: be in touch with if you're supporting, you know, a

2379
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 6: nonprofit like mine or other nonprofits out there, be in

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02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:17,760
Speaker 6: touch with them. Let let people know this matters to me,

2381
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:19,640
Speaker 6: and I want you to be engaged in this to

2382
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:23,880
Speaker 6: make sure that our public lands aren't sold or transferred,

2383
02:05:24,680 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 6: because if you don't, if you just take the position

2384
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:30,920
Speaker 6: of eugh, you know, we've been through this before. This

2385
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:32,280
Speaker 6: might be the last time you have to go through

2386
02:05:32,280 --> 02:05:36,200
Speaker 6: it right, and you might not like the outcome. So

2387
02:05:36,760 --> 02:05:42,080
Speaker 6: that's sort of my I call that my plea to people.

2388
02:05:42,440 --> 02:05:45,800
Speaker 6: You know, you asked me before, what do I think

2389
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 6: the likelihood of success on the merits is? You know,

2390
02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:52,920
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think there's a strong argument that

2391
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:54,720
Speaker 6: the property clause, and we never talked about it, but

2392
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:58,280
Speaker 6: the Property Clause of the Constitution gives the federal government

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02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:01,040
Speaker 6: the authority to manage lands and perpetuity. I think there's

2394
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:04,040
Speaker 6: a very very strong argument to be made there. There's

2395
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:07,360
Speaker 6: some lower case law that supports that interpretation. There's some

2396
02:06:07,480 --> 02:06:10,040
Speaker 6: dicta in some US Supreme Court cases that it supports

2397
02:06:10,040 --> 02:06:14,839
Speaker 6: that interpretation. So I think there's a path to victory

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02:06:15,480 --> 02:06:18,400
Speaker 6: to protect public lands in the legal context, but it's

2399
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 6: not a foregone conclusion. But you have to be diligent

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02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,720
Speaker 6: on the political side too. Because there they are going

2401
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,840
Speaker 6: to be efforts to strip things away and to transfer

2402
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:30,560
Speaker 6: and you know all those things. So do that. My

2403
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:34,320
Speaker 6: here's my little bit of hyperbole or you know, because

2404
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:39,560
Speaker 6: I'll have one. I analogize this to This is going

2405
02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:42,240
Speaker 6: to age me a little bit. Remember that movie Ocean's eleven.

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02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:43,520
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah, I never saw it.

2407
02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:45,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, what were they? I'd like to see you never

2408
02:06:45,800 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 6: saw it? What were they? There are thieves, right, but

2409
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:57,640
Speaker 6: they were super sophisticated, creative thieves, right, professional, charismatic, professional,

2410
02:06:58,200 --> 02:07:04,280
Speaker 6: really invested in it. Right. And here's here's where it comes. Like,

2411
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:07,360
Speaker 6: I'm just going to call this like, halt the heist.

2412
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:09,600
Speaker 6: That's kind of what this is. This feels like a

2413
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:14,200
Speaker 6: really sophisticated heist of our public lands. Maybe that's as

2414
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:15,480
Speaker 6: hyperbolic as I can get.

2415
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Speaker 2: I see that, and I'll remember Ocean's twelve eighteen. I mean,

2416
02:07:21,320 --> 02:07:23,040
Speaker 2: there are some other parallels we could.

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Speaker 9: Get.

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02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:26,240
Speaker 3: I think it's well founded.

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02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:28,640
Speaker 6: Right, And so I say that to say, yeah, and

2420
02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:31,840
Speaker 6: this will be the total selfish plug here, Like if

2421
02:07:31,880 --> 02:07:34,920
Speaker 6: you want to follow more and learn more about what

2422
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:37,840
Speaker 6: my organization, National Wildlife Federation is doing, you can just

2423
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Speaker 6: go to NWF dot org backslash, halt the heist.

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02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:44,360
Speaker 1: And you've already made it.

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02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:49,080
Speaker 6: We've already made it, and all kinds of resources will

2426
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:51,840
Speaker 6: be there for you. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 8: I already trademarked that before before you said it though,

2428
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:56,320
Speaker 8: so today.

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02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:59,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I looked it up yesterday.

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02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:02,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a business guy. Was there another phrase that

2431
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:03,520
Speaker 5: gave you the inspiration.

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02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:08,960
Speaker 1: For that literation?

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02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:12,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some parallels you could draw, but sure if

2434
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:16,280
Speaker 6: you wanted to go that way. Yeah, uh yeah, so

2435
02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:16,840
Speaker 6: that's my.

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02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:18,120
Speaker 1: I'll sell it to you, though.

2437
02:08:18,440 --> 02:08:20,960
Speaker 6: I'll tell you that I don't know how you did

2438
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:22,160
Speaker 6: your brother say something.

2439
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:25,880
Speaker 1: To disclose my methods, but offering.

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02:08:27,320 --> 02:08:28,919
Speaker 6: It's not worth anything right now.

2441
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:33,800
Speaker 1: No, it is now. We were joking there, dise. I

2442
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:35,400
Speaker 1: came up with a slogan, but I didn't have an

2443
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:39,560
Speaker 1: organization for it, and it was Today's children Tomorrow's enemies.

2444
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2445
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 1: It just came to me at dinner with my wife

2446
02:08:44,280 --> 02:08:51,520
Speaker 1: and and I thought, there's that sounds like something, And

2447
02:08:51,560 --> 02:08:54,720
Speaker 1: I was like, what organization could use that slogan? And

2448
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:56,600
Speaker 1: then my my friend Savanna said it could be one

2449
02:08:56,640 --> 02:09:00,440
Speaker 1: of those book burning one of those book fanned organizations

2450
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:03,040
Speaker 1: can use that slogan. There are kids now, but they'll

2451
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:08,880
Speaker 1: read these books and they'll be the enemies tomorrow. Well, thanks,

2452
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,000
Speaker 1: thanks guys for coming on man oh and to follow it,

2453
02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:12,640
Speaker 1: to get give the U R elegant.

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02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:18,480
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, nw F dot O R G backslash, halt

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02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:18,960
Speaker 6: the heist.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Brad Brooks, Dave Wilms, thanks for coming out man men.

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Speaker 6: Thanks yeah, thank you for appreciate it a lot.

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Speaker 12: He wait on.

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02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:39,520
Speaker 13: Wester that old trees lead the dust again. He wait

2460
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:41,600
Speaker 13: back to the same.

2461
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:48,040
Speaker 12: That old ten man with only rust again it was

2462
02:09:48,120 --> 02:09:56,520
Speaker 12: open to live as the first time he forgot, never forgets.

2463
02:09:57,120 --> 02:10:09,880
Speaker 12: He'll always remember time wind rains felling low nerve trim.

2464
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:11,560
Speaker 14: Where all the thunderstorm you still out.

2465
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:42,080
Speaker 13: Come? Where my country study that on t Lad Brewsters

2466
02:10:42,200 --> 02:10:43,480
Speaker 13: used to fill fee.

2467
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:48,080
Speaker 14: Yours flushing cubbies at the pros to see.

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02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:55,280
Speaker 12: You go the control skin Steve fell open mountain out

2469
02:10:55,320 --> 02:11:02,760
Speaker 12: of Saint Merphy Ea still mentions eighty ten every year

2470
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:07,560
Speaker 12: before been both white supe you live four days if

2471
02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:13,440
Speaker 12: I was hired sole some big cattle off the word wire.

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02:11:16,680 --> 02:11:18,400
Speaker 14: Where all the.

2473
02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:23,520
Speaker 13: Thunder stores used to out the car.

2474
02:11:24,520 --> 02:11:31,600
Speaker 14: Where's my country s fundy That on Tim laving me.

2475
02:11:40,760 --> 02:11:58,840
Speaker 14: Where all the thunder storm used to elbows sprawling the call?

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02:11:59,720 --> 02:12:04,200
Speaker 13: Where's that country sad money, that.

2477
02:12:04,360 --> 02:12:46,840
Speaker 14: All damn, it's play for me? Where all the thunders

2478
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:56,760
Speaker 14: not use of els all? Where's that country, Samthoy, that

2479
02:12:56,960 --> 02:13:09,160
Speaker 14: all dis play for me? Where all the thunders, where

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02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:10,680
Speaker 14: the countrees and

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Speaker 7: Me