1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay Dot Do a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: What's up everybody. I'm so hoping that's huge. I'll live 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: in with best life, that you're having a good time, 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: that the things are sweet and delicious, tent like I'm 5 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: here with my sister's, my girlfriend's homies, my neiges. Yes, 6 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm here in age of Graydon Dandler. Hey, hey, and 7 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: li Ea Sinclair Hey. Now yeah, y'all my nigga nig 8 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: y'all remember that was going around for a minute with 9 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: Denzel y. Yes, yes, my nigga. Right. It feels good 10 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: done it. It feels when you when you have something 11 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: that is just your own. I mean like if if 12 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: you you've got a certain little bounce to it because 13 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: it belongs to you, whether it is you know, your 14 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: great Grandmam's uh hallapenio corn bread with the corn in 15 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: it too, you know, if it's if it's you know, 16 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: a tradition or something that you have claimed in your family, 17 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: like we celebrate families instead of Christmas and half for 18 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: the last five years, so maybe six. We're talking today 19 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: about ownership. We're talking about owning our own stuff. However 20 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: that stuff is, whether it's our hairstyles, whether it's our 21 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: skin color. We see a lot of orange people out 22 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: here in this world. Um yeah, if whatever it is 23 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: um that we hold as a cultural and I don't 24 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: know if it's is it sacred sacred because not when 25 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: it comes to black people's culture, but I mean it was, 26 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: it was, it was it ever was ever considered sacred 27 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: here right, always something that was trying to be suppressed. 28 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: But you cannot suppress us. So we just continue to 29 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: come up through the wood and through the earth and 30 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: through the dirt and through the bottom to the top 31 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: and say, oh no, we are here, we are here. 32 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: What do y'all think it was the first like moment 33 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: of cultural appropriation, like even back then from what we 34 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: got here. I was just thinking about that. I was like, huh, 35 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: I wonder what was the first moment that a white 36 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: person went I see that the niggas over there doing that. 37 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: But we can take that and make that out't even 38 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: have to give him no credit for that. Ship. I 39 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: mean they practice, I mean, they practiced, they practice slavery 40 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: in Africa, but they took our they took what we 41 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: were doing and took it up five thousand notches and 42 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: turned it into the most evil, degrading, violent thing they 43 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: could think of. They added, capitalism slavery didn't exist under 44 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: those type of pretenses before the white folks looked at 45 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: what we was doing. Is like and and and and 46 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: also lunacy. You have to throw you have to throw 47 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: that in there, that it is an insane person to 48 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: uh hang somebody from a tree or cut out their 49 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: organs or cut off their breast or cut out a 50 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: baby like that. That takes a lot of that's that's 51 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: that's insanity. That is that is total mental illness for real. 52 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: And nobody does that like to come right, No, nobody 53 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: to do that. Nah. I mean if you were at war, yes, 54 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: you might have got your ass killed and you know, 55 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: the Zulus might have had a little bit of your 56 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: skin or you know, your to what it back. I'm 57 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: not I don't know that Zulu's ever did that. So 58 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: just I'm just saying, um I just I was thinking 59 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: of warriors when I said Zulu. But I don't know 60 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: if anything could have happened underwar under war pretenses, we're 61 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: not talking about war. We're talking about, um, somebody stealing 62 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: your juice in front of your face, and I did 63 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: that or so maybe it was maybe it might have 64 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: been Egypt. How we're not saying that they did. That 65 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: just allows to be like, okay, let's talk about for instance, 66 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: um Wu tang mm hmmm mm hmm. So okay, it's 67 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: an interesting conversation because somebody say the cultural appropriation is 68 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: based on a dominant culture during something to a less 69 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: dominant culture. But let's let's get into a blue tank too. 70 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: I wonder if that fits into that that equation. So, yes, 71 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there is a there's a there there's a 72 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: respect there though, right right, I mean I think that's 73 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: the right because there is a respect and there's a 74 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: source cited the sources there we go, yeah, and this 75 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: is why they get respect from the cultures in which 76 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: they celebrate, because they do that they take time to say, yeah, 77 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: this is not to mine. Wow, that's and so that's 78 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: why that would not be cultural appropriation. On top of 79 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: the fact, I mean to risk as performed, been infighted 80 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: to the Buddhist temples at this point to speak and 81 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: perform also to you know that oppressed peoples all over 82 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: the world they have, you know, so much in common 83 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: and so any any kind our music and hip hop 84 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: music in general has been you know, adopted by so 85 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: many different groups of people because there's there is a 86 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: connection there. There's an absolute connection. Culturally, there's connection their storytelling, 87 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: there's you know, all kinds of things. So I don't 88 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: think it's that we don't want our culture to be 89 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: accepted and celebrated all over the world. Who doesn't want that. 90 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: We want credit, respect, respect, Yeah, you know, And I said, 91 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,559 Speaker 1: I really try to make this not about it's funny 92 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: because unlike Asia's general, uh, it's all about white supremacy. 93 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: I was like, let me see if I can go 94 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: about this in a wholesome way and see if it's 95 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: not just the white man that's doing this. But to 96 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: be honest, although it's always different cultures, it generally is 97 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: is the white man who has uh cultural appropriated from 98 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: Asian to Native American with your Indian garb, Native American 99 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: garb and just wearing you know, a dream catchers and whatnot. 100 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean, and it goes back like this culture it's 101 00:06:43,920 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: been a long time globally. I'll just say that look 102 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: at the bustle. The bustle a bustle back in the 103 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, they used to wear these corsets, and they 104 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: had this thing that would make the backside seem to 105 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: sit outs so that booty could looked like, oh girl, 106 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: what's her name? Sarah Bartman, right right, right, right right. 107 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: It seems like this entire beauty phase um or the 108 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: shape of a body is so based off of Sarah bartment. 109 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: It's all of its small ways, big but big titties, 110 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: big thighs, big legs, just voluptuous and and and warm 111 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: and scrumptious. You know. Just it seems like the whole 112 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: whole beauty phase and crazy is based off of that, 113 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: which is why so many women around the world are 114 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: now built like black women. Black women but you know 115 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: almost I'm some right, and some black women are actually 116 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: um doing things to themselves. Try to about it, yes, 117 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: to embody, this kind of caricaturized version of the black 118 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: woman's body. And you know, and the bottom line is 119 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: that all of this is coming from the horrible disrespect 120 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: and there is no way to look back and say, 121 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: hey that that really this is where that comes from. 122 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: That you were you love a thing so much, you 123 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: hate that you love it, and now you have to 124 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: erase it that hurt. I just love a things so 125 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: much that you hate it and now you have to 126 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: erase it. It sounds like black people. Yeah, it's like 127 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: T shirt I got. They want your rhythm but not 128 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: your blues. Yeah. My questions, I was just well, young man, 129 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: we were right here, go ahead, like, yeah, I'm here 130 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: for it. I didn't know which one you were going 131 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: to What about us as far as culturally appropriating, or 132 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: what about us as far as protecting, uh, what's being 133 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: appropriated from us? Because that's where I was gonna go. 134 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: So I didn't know which way you was going to jail. 135 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: But I do question. I'm like when us as a people, 136 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: I just feel like, are we not vocal enough and 137 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: saying get that back or give us our credit. It's 138 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: it's people who have made who have been become millionaires, major, major, 139 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: almost billion now billionaires based off of our our beauty 140 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: and then being able to transform their bodies and their 141 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: faces to look like us. And I still I just 142 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: don't understand. I just in my militant mind, I just 143 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: don't understand how we continue to let that be. It's 144 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of like how George and Men is alive. 145 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: But that's a whole other thing. But I'm just I 146 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't know how we continue to 147 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: allow it to happen, And is there a way that 148 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: we cannot kind we can stop it? Is there? I 149 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: don't know. I think that ultimately we have a situation 150 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: where everything is really super centered on white man, and 151 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: until we shift that center, people won't see us there. 152 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: They don't see us because all the focuses on that. 153 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: It's kind of like if you like, you know, you 154 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: know that filter on on on Instagram where you can 155 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: focus on on the person in the picture and everything 156 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: behind it is is blurred. I mean, I think we 157 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: live in a world like that where the white man 158 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: is being focused on it, everything around it is blurred, 159 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: and even though those things are there and they're significant 160 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: to the makeup of the photo, we're just not focused 161 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: on it. And the thing is that until we can 162 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: shift that focus, you know, everything will continue to push 163 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: that image forward. So whatever that white man does, even 164 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: if he's doing exactly what you're doing, people will see 165 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: him first. When I say yeah, I don't mean exclusively. 166 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, you know that that white male 167 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: had a row boom when he when that person is 168 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: doing something to anyone adjacent to that is doing it. 169 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: Everyone will see that, not because everything else is not allowed. 170 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: You can be as loud as you want to, but 171 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: if you're blurred, if you're in the background and it's blurred, yes, 172 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: a matter how much you're yelling and carrying on, they're 173 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: focused on what the picture is, the picture that's been taken. 174 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: Our job is to continue to call that out and 175 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: shift the focus to take that stupid filter off everything. 176 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: I just don't think. I don't mean and y'all know, 177 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: I know, I know, Joe, you hate the name names, 178 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: but it's been fifteen years of these Kardashians, and I 179 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: really don't think that's happening. It since because we named it, 180 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: we've called it out. We're like, okay, no, Grace Jones 181 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: did that? Okay? No, Like, no, those braids aren't. There's 182 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: a box braids. Those aren't what you're calling them. Like 183 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: I forgot what they were calling for a second. Like 184 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: we keep correcting and saying, but they keep making the 185 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: money off of our backs and our image and nothing's 186 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: change it. It's just it's jarring. I'm like, what can 187 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: we I'm sorry, I just don't get really frustrated. I 188 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: think The problem there is that we buy into it too. 189 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: We don't. We don't seem to have this sense of 190 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: what can I call it? I don't even know what 191 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: to call it? Pride? That part, god darn it, that 192 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: is the ugly that I, you know, don't want to face. 193 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like we have a sense of pride 194 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: and ownership that we support any and everything, um just 195 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: because somebody else's We're still chasing whatever it is that 196 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 1: they're chasing, and typically what they're chasing is us. So 197 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: we are chasing a varied uh, reflection of us, but 198 00:12:45,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: it ain't exactly running after our tell yea, you know 199 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: if you if you cannot, it's always the self work. 200 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: We talked about this before. It always comes down to 201 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: the self work. If you are not able to center yourself, 202 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: if you don't see yourself in the center, then you 203 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: as a group are not going to be able to 204 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: see yourselves at the center, and you therefore cannot really, 205 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, assert as a group to the outside world 206 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: that you're at the center. If we're just now getting 207 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: to the point where we can look at maps and say, 208 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: wait a minute, why why is that? Why is Africa 209 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: hell a small on that on that map. You know, 210 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: we're just getting to certain realizations. And our battle with 211 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: this is relatively young. Let's give ourselves a little bit 212 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: of credit here, come on. The battle with this thing 213 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: is relatively young, and we have been pushing back at 214 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: it for you know, hundreds of years. We've been pushing 215 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: back at this since the very beginning. So I'm not 216 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: necessarily disappointed in our efforts. I just know that it's 217 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: just gonna take more. It's just gonna take more, and 218 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: that we have to do our part to push ourselves 219 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: back to the center so that our children can have 220 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: a little less pushed to do for themselves. So it's 221 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: like this, this aspect of it is important that everyone 222 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: on this call today, everyone's podcast remembers going natural with 223 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: nobody who's coing natural. Everybody remembers when it was four 224 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: products for natural hair and for excuse me too, when 225 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: it was to prod African Pride, before that child moisturizer 226 00:14:53,680 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: and Palmer's Coconut Moisturizing Nightmares when never so in so 227 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: we remember, we remember that our daughters, our nieces, our mentees, 228 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: they will never know that time ever, they will always 229 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: know that there's they are coming into a world where 230 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: there's tons of things available to them. So I just 231 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: want to just shift a little bit and that I'm 232 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: not super disappointed in our responses, but our responses also 233 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: can't be the tools of our present. We can't. And 234 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: that's not my words. I say that a lot. Those 235 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: are not my words. Like Audrey Lords said that, I 236 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: believe the bottom line is that we can't keep using 237 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: their tools. So if we think that we're gonna be 238 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna liberate our image and take hold of it 239 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: and take hold of our culture and own our culture 240 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: through a capitalistic system. If we think we're gonna go 241 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: out there and become billionaires and millionaires, you know, selling 242 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: our culture to the highest bidder, trust and believe we 243 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: will not succeed in recentering ourselves that way. You know, 244 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: it's funny you say that, Asia, because in my mind, 245 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: I just went light Year. What do you expect? They 246 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: just got rid of the Washington football team's name? Like, 247 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: what do you they just got and they say, ma'am 248 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: huh And that's a that's a that's that's just NFL. Yeah, 249 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: please believe, all over Philadelphia and every other American city, 250 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: there's tons of names, mascots, photos, statues, all kinds of 251 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: stuff that's absolutely inappropriate, offensive, everything under the sun. And 252 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. As I thought about this, this 253 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: topic that we were gonna speak about the day, I 254 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: tried to think personally, like, like, here, have you ever appropriated? 255 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Not in the you know, defined sense of I know 256 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a dominant race or whatever, but just in 257 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: a sense of I was like, Okay, it took me 258 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: to a time when we used to wear and oh 259 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: my god, you guys, please, I apologize if I use 260 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: the wrong terms. I'm gonna say Asian because I don't 261 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: know which country it belongs to. But y'all remember a 262 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: time in the eighties when all of us little girls 263 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: had those shoes those um even they either came in 264 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: black or red, and they were cloth shoes with the 265 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: plastic bottom, but they were aged. Do you guys remember 266 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: these from the unit from the beauty supply? Yeah, yeah, 267 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: I get where you're going with this, Like, yeah, and 268 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you there's a few. Like a year ago, 269 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: I remember I was on Twitter and um and um, 270 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: oh gosh, what's the child's name? Lizzo? Lizzo had to 271 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: check somebody because somebody a white person. But I've seen 272 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: black people do this too. Um. Somebody added her and said, 273 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: you're my spirit animal, and she was like, I just 274 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: want to correct you that when you say that, that's 275 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: very offensive. Offensive to Indigenous people. The idea and the 276 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: concept of a spirit animal is very important to their 277 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: culture and and you're using it in an inappropriate way. 278 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: And I thought and never really opened me up because 279 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you know, as Black people, we 280 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: do involve ourselves and certain practices and things, not really 281 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: understanding the implications of other people's culture and how important 282 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: that might be to their culture. We participate. You know 283 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I can't think of a way in 284 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: which we've we've been able to, like, let's say, capitalize 285 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: or I can't in social spaces. Yes, but I mean, 286 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure it exists out there because we live in 287 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: a capitalist world. I get it, you know what I mean. 288 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: But as Black people, we do need to check ourselves 289 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: because we Chinese tattoo phase, everybody was checking. You don't 290 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: even know what you got on your arm. You don't 291 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: even know what it says. You don't know, Well what 292 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: about um, what about we've okay. So this is a 293 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: point that my boyfriend likes to make all the time. 294 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um, that we appropriate their hairstyles, um all 295 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: the time, well all the time. That I once said, uh, 296 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: via Twitter, and they're should be a day off from weaves. 297 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: And the response was that women wouldn't come outside without them, 298 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: and they wouldn't come outside. That'd be a day that 299 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: they didn't go to work, that'd be a day that 300 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: they didn't go grocery shopping or pick up their dry cleaning. 301 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: That they were not coming outside without their weave, and 302 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: that somehow and and this, I'll say this, I'll see 303 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: really beautiful brown women, um, and they'll have these weaves on, 304 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: and I don't It doesn't make a difference to me 305 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: that it's perfectly done. It doesn't make a difference to me. 306 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: I look at it and I think, are you trying 307 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: to be like Becky? Well, she's been told that's it's 308 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: what beautiful is for her whole exist millions billions of 309 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: dollars every year on this hairy understand that I believe 310 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: with with black I know, can you see it? It's 311 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: just having an I'm a firm believer that hair is 312 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: a culturement for black women. It doesn't make a goddamn 313 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: difference if your hair is long and straight, if it's curly, 314 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: if you got a ten pound wig on your head, 315 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't make a difference. If you go bald, you 316 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: are still a Black woman. Pert So understand that I'm 317 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: not slighting you because you got the straight hair on. 318 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: What I am saying is that that straight hair doesn't 319 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: belong to your ethnicity, that you are actually culturally, not culturally, 320 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: because that's not a culture. That's just a reality. That's 321 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: just a reality. It's not a culture but appropriation trying 322 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: to look like something quite not yourself. Come on, Asia, 323 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to add more fire at the Asian funeral. 324 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: I just want to also say that not for nothing, 325 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: because I am a d C girl that respects both 326 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: Nigeria and Ethiopia. However, I have also noticed that there 327 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: is a certain type of um West at least West 328 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: African woman whom really they go to the weave and 329 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: they can't stop. And if you watch um the Housewives 330 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: of Potomac, that's what made me think of it, because 331 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: there you have three very successful West African Nigerian women, 332 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: but you cannot you will not see their their natural 333 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: hair at all. Okay, and Asia, go wait, wait one more, 334 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: look at my little TV show. Look at look at 335 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: look at the first Wives clubs of us. All three 336 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: of us are natural, the natural weeds of us, all 337 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: three of us are natural. None of us have natural hair. 338 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: It's an ongoing debate. It is a it is is 339 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: something that we're like constantly arguing about, like why can't 340 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: Hazel have natural hair? For you to start, you'll throw 341 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: herself on the fire. Just throw herself on the fire. Asian, 342 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: what's gonna dolf on the fire? I'm like, well, ship, 343 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: I think I mean, okay, I'm gonna start by saying this. 344 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: I agree with y'all. I do say. I know y'all think, 345 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: oh she's over there. If I came back and forth 346 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: in the corner. I agree with y'all about the fact 347 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: that there is a very clear and intentional thing about 348 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: black women's hair, their acceptance of their own natural hair, 349 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: and it's commercial acceptance, you know, in the world of entertainment, 350 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: in the business world anywhere. That's quote unquote professional, which 351 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: is dog whistle for white you know. But I get 352 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: all of those things. I guess to me when I look, 353 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: And I used to think a lot like that in 354 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: terms of like that was my thinking about it singularly. 355 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: But now I feel a little different about it, only 356 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: because I feel no in in addition to I feel 357 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: this too, that black women in there, we've White women's 358 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: hair don't look like that. That's number one, their hair 359 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: don't look like that. They gotta get we've too in 360 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: order for their hair to look like that. And number two, um, 361 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: white woman's hair could never on its own look the 362 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: way black women get their we've to look. And when 363 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: you say yeah, they could never hair, you seen beautiful head? 364 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: I have not not. I'm just saying that's an individual, 365 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: but not as a whole. Everybody wanted to that was natural. Listen, 366 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: but they're a black women who have that kind of 367 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: hair too. I would Blair from Blair's hair was good, 368 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: but guess who did dress Blair's hair was popping. But 369 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this, that hair was done somebody 370 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: fair dresser did that. She don't wake up like that 371 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: at number two. Number three, Black women in terms of 372 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: what they bring to that look is very unique to them. 373 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: What they bring to that, they bring all of their 374 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: black girlness into that space. There is not a single 375 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: space that a black woman can enter in which he 376 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: does not take it over. It's not a single place. 377 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: And for me and for me, it's like white women 378 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: in terms of us quote unquote appropriating their stuff. They 379 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: can't do that. They just can't do it. I'm sorry, 380 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm sorry. Maybe this point, black can do it, 381 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: but women rolling around. I love this. I love when 382 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: we do this. We got black who are barbies who 383 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: talk about being What white woman? Listen? What white woman 384 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: would you let do your weave? Yeah? No, I wouldn't 385 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: the most talented one. No, you ain't letting no white woman? 386 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: Do you about when the last time white when did 387 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: you hear you a white guy just didn't a white 388 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: gay man? No, no, he didn't know what edges were 389 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: at the end of the day that he's definitely okay. 390 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: They didn't work out. It didn't work out. Do I 391 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: ad just to add a little more fire in here. 392 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: Jason always likes to throw when the blonde thing, do 393 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: we do bet or do we leave that out? Think? 394 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: I got a lot of I got a lot of 395 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: flat for going blind. I had blind straight here for 396 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: a little while. Where I was, my hair was short 397 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: and it was straight and it was blind, and people 398 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: got into my d m s and went off about it. 399 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: Our assist, you need to go back to your natural 400 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, here's the funny thing. I 401 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: don't have a perman my hair. It's straightened, but it's 402 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: not still natural. It is still my hair. And I 403 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: used to get a little annoyed by that. But the 404 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: truth of the matter is that there that black people 405 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: have these looks, even in situations where they've not been colonized. 406 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: There are there are black people who have blond I'm sorry, 407 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: I was, yeah, I guess averages do have been called 408 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: es that's why they have it. But a bottom money 409 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: is there are black people that have all aborigines. A 410 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: lot of them had already had blond hair. It's like 411 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: it's like a thing, they have blond hair. So there 412 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: are people of color all over the world to look 413 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: all types of different ways. You know. My thing is 414 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: I just hate focusing on black women in their freaking hair. 415 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: It just makes me. It irritates me. It's like that's 416 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: always our go to, is that we want to talk 417 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: bad about or tell black women they don't love themselves 418 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: because they don't have they don't wear their hair in 419 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: a certain way, and we keep forgetting that. A lot 420 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: of the people that have this to say are people 421 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: who fit within a certain texture that's acceptable to the world. 422 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: The natural hair, the natural curl that people are, that 423 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: people feel most comfortable with. So you think this is 424 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: what about the other thing that I said about some 425 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: of these some of the West African women, especially like 426 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: Nigerian women, who are locked into their weaves. I wouldn't 427 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: be silly enough to act like we don't deal with 428 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: a lot of self hatred as black women. How could 429 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: we not? I mean, what we're facing consistently, would would 430 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: speak to that we would have this issue. And I'm 431 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,239 Speaker 1: not gonna act like we don't. I just sometimes I 432 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: just get so tired of hearing the argument about our hair. 433 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: Let us wear our hair anyway we want to fucking 434 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: wear it. But we want to do and and and honestly, 435 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: like I said, even in moments where we feel like 436 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: we are trying to find some sort of you know, 437 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: white adjacent looking the image, what we end up doing 438 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: is creating a new thing. And that's that's what we 439 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: we will always do. They can't even how if you 440 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: appropriate something that means you're like a BS great value 441 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: version of it. How are we going to appropriate their 442 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: ship and make it so good that then they want 443 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: to go back and get their weave to look like 444 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: are we look now she's not lying, now that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 445 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: she figured it out. Yeah. And then white girls getting 446 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: black girls to do it. They wasn't. They wasn't always 447 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: getting their hand corn rolled before they've got the throw 448 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: and they wasn't. It wasn't getting that clips clips clips, 449 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm still saying, and I can feel you. I absolutely 450 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: feel you are naturally. I guess we're talking about natural 451 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: and not being I guess natural. I just know that 452 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: this throwback um when you when you sweep the hair 453 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: off of your neck, that is not something that is 454 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: innate to black women because the hair you gotta staying 455 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: hair braids, there are hair stands up typically or we 456 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: have some kind of great business happening, but but we 457 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: did not. That has not been a part like that 458 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: is not somebody else's entire way of being, which is 459 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: sometimes a bit flip our hair. It's a problem or 460 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: it's shade because we don't do that. What are you flipping? 461 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: We grab it and took it and made it a 462 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: black ass thing. And that's something that happens with us 463 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: all the time. We take stuff from right. So do 464 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: we in turn appropriate behaviors um that we see from 465 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: other cultures? I don't know. If I don't know why 466 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: appropriate is like wearing me out with terms I mean 467 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: in terms of us and because we can't, because we 468 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: can't technically, because we're not. However, I will say that 469 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: we are. Absolutely We're talking about music. We're talking. We're 470 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: from rock and roll to blues, to jazz, the funk 471 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: to sports to girls talking about control the money. Okay, 472 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the flip. I'm just talking. I'm 473 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: gonna give you all the flip. Yeah, the flip. I 474 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: will give you all the flip, the flip, the flip. Yes, 475 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: that's the white that's the white girl. We have appropriated 476 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: the hair flip. That's it. That's a that's it. That's 477 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: all the hair flip. Okay, that's what that's all the 478 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: day you're taking Okay, okay. Appropriation is according to this dictionary. Yeah, 479 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: I don't know whose it is, let me see who. 480 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: It just says dictionary anyway, UM, the act of appropriating 481 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: or taking possession of something, often without permission or consent. Uh, 482 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: an act of leed just slature authorizing money to be 483 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: paid from the treasury or for a specific use app 484 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: appropriate funds. Yeah, but yep, that's it. But however, cultural 485 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: appropriation is the adoption of an element or elements of 486 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: one culture or identity by members of another culture or identity. 487 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: This can be controversial when members of a dominant culture 488 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: appropriate from disadvantaged minority culture. So maybe the idea here 489 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: is that appropriation itself is something that anyone can do, 490 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: but it is particularly damaging when a dominant culture does this, 491 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: particularly when they are already guilty of erasing and you know, uh, 492 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: marginalizing different groups, and then they do it. It's like 493 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: a you know, an offense on top of an offense. 494 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: It would be like Kylie Jenner's lip kit that she's 495 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: made millions of dollars off of to be able to 496 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: draw on your lip so that you can look like 497 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: have a black woman's lip, but not quite say I'm 498 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: trying to look like a black Well, let's say this. 499 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: Not all black women have really full lips. Not all 500 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: My bottom lip is is Rashanda. My top lip is 501 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: a little Monique. Listen, not all black women got them 502 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: black people lips? You got you these my Yeah, we're 503 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: about to add this conversation. I'm just I'm just saying 504 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: that not every black person has its characteristic of black people, 505 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: just like keeping your hair. Just like keeping your hair. 506 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: So I'm not that's mine, that that mine, That a's 507 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: his mine and this is mine. And if you decide 508 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: to widen that nose, that's gonna be mine too, period. 509 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: And those braids in mine too. That So what about 510 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: when you put on hazel contacts or blue contacts or 511 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: green and you know, you have on this wig for 512 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: the day and black girl lost, the black girl loss, 513 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: that self hate, self hate, black air loss. I mean, 514 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: the bottom line is, we're not about to on this thing. 515 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: We do things, We do things, and we're the ones 516 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: that are actually suffering the most from it. So yeah, right, 517 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: if a black woman has a desire to look like 518 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: something other than let's say, a quote unquote typical black woman, 519 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: and it's based in self hatred, that's hurting us, not 520 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: the people that we're imitating. I'm sorry, no, no, no, 521 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: I'm with it, but I understand what you're saying too. 522 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: It's just that, listen, we have to identify these ways 523 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: that we help to suppress our own ship and that 524 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, at least I think that that's really where 525 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: we're coming from with it, is that, yeah, there are 526 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: people out there taking our stuff, but we also don't 527 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: value our stuff enough because we're out here trying to 528 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: look like them. We're out here doing some of the 529 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: same stuff, and in some ways they can use that 530 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: as getting permission, but that trauma that ain't there. But 531 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: we're not responsible for their their their craziness, you know 532 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We're not responsible for that. It's just 533 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: how if we're gonna change it, we do have to 534 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: take responsibility for how we help to shape that list 535 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: if we continue to put white people in their imagery 536 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: at the center, even if we're doing it, and even 537 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: if we're not, it's not motivated entirely from self hatred. 538 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: We know that enough of us are are it does 539 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: come from that for enough of us, and we ought 540 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: to be aware of that. We want to protect each other. 541 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: And that's that's for women all around the world because yea, 542 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: so you can look at women in Africa as taking 543 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: the opportunity to where we've more often quote unquote, but 544 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 1: when you go to Africa, it's harder to find natural 545 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: hair products. Yes it is. And so you can even 546 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: look at it like that that there's there are systemic 547 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: reasons why a wig might be a quicker, easier thing 548 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: to do, you know. And then you can also look 549 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: at a situation like, Okay, black women talk about they 550 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: they're not gonna go out without their weaves, but then 551 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: y'all tell them that they're ghetto and unprofessional if they 552 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: go outside and a bonnet or hair wrap. So if 553 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: the idea is to preserve the hair, because a lot 554 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, that's what it is. It 555 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: takes longer to style our hair to our liking, Yes 556 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: it does. So we have to go someplace quick, or 557 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: we have to do something quick a lot of times 558 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: to cover the hair or to use a wig or 559 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: whatever is a is an option to do if we 560 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: want to just go and if they're gonna rain. I 561 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: I understand all of the reason. I understand all the reasons. 562 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: I have definitely been in Australia and had to to 563 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: get some a baby doll wig, a baby doll hair wig. 564 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this because you just couldn't 565 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: find it. You just couldn't find our hair because we 566 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: are not catered to. So that means that there is 567 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: a gigantic business for us to cater to us because 568 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: we're over it. We're over We're over not being able 569 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: to find the products that we need or the product 570 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: that that makes us feel enriched. Okay, how crazy is 571 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: it that you can't find hair products for black hair 572 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: in Africa? Right? I don't be I'm confused. Are they 573 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: saying they don't have a Carol's daughter there? There's nobody 574 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: there that's gonna making I mean the shade come from 575 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: over there. The business high, the business, the business. Yeah, 576 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: the business is there. The business is absolutely there. It's 577 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: it's for a long time. In California, you couldn't find 578 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: anybody who did natural hair over here, thank god, in 579 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: secure or they still be sucked up, don't get a beau. 580 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: That's who I was going back to in in two 581 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: thousand in two, and Felicia Felicia, yes, and and Kim 582 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: Kimball later on, right, but really and and then that 583 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: wait list was outrageous. There really wasn't any natural hair 584 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: it's very expensive to get natural hair downe here. But 585 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: I also want to say too, it's funny that you 586 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: say that, Jill about California, because how funny is that 587 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: that they are behind in their natural hair scene or whatever. However, 588 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: the governor is not, and he said, from now on, 589 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: you will not discriminate against the black woman for the 590 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: way that she chooses to wear her hair. That is 591 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: the law. He is the only one in this country 592 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: who has done that, which I just thought so ironic, 593 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: like in Kylie, come on already anything, How crazy is 594 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: it that we gotta have a whole law. I remember 595 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: that this this situation when, yes, this situation when viral not 596 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: too long ago, where this this this principle put out 597 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: this whole thing saying that mothers couldn't come up to 598 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: the school if they had bonnuts on their head, or 599 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: if they had such such and such and such, and 600 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: so many black people was with her. I mean they 601 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, that's ghetto, that's wrong, that's not the outside. 602 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: And and my whole thing is like this, um, if 603 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: you're coming up to the school to pick up your kids, 604 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: if you're at the school as a parent at three pm, 605 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: if you have the ability to do that. You can 606 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: come in whatever you want to have one. You can 607 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: have whatever you want on the top of your head. 608 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: The bottom line is that we still have a lot 609 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: of inward stuff. We have a lot of inward stuff, 610 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: and we we we we demonize things that we are 611 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: black women due to our hair and our look that 612 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: is directly associated just with our culture and who we are. 613 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: It's not ghetto, it's not wrong, it's not unprofessional. Because 614 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: there was a time when a black woman would tell 615 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: you braids is unprofessional. Oh yeah, oh listen, trust and believe. 616 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: Or if you have a shortcut or baldy and my family, 617 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: let's say you're walking around looking like a chicken, m 618 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: with your head. That's that was the line, walking around 619 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: looking like a chicken. So here's the thing, and that 620 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: goes back to what Dr Yalla Blaze said when we 621 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: had her on the show. It just reminded me of 622 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: the issue with costal appropriation. Sometimes is the person who's 623 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: perpetuating it doesn't know the struggle and what it took 624 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: for black women to be able to either confidently wear 625 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: this ship, functionally wear this ship, or whatever. Because now 626 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: it's just it's nothing for you just right, because please 627 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: believe there was a time, and it wasn't long ago 628 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: if a black woman showed up somewhere where braids with 629 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: corn rolls going all the way back to her head, 630 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: that we'd be all looking right and and coming up 631 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: with many stereotypes of what kind of woman that was. Yeah, 632 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of lies. As we're talking about cultural appropriation, 633 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: it's very easy to to look at other folks and 634 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: see what they're doing and how they're stealing from us, 635 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: and you can see it. It's all over the place. Um, 636 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: But we're also you know, party to that as well. 637 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: And that's the trick of it all. It's the ugly 638 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: like facing the ugly portions of ourselves. How do we 639 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: point fingers at other people when we're not checking the 640 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: funk out of ourselves? Because that's what we need to do. 641 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: We have to check ourselves. I'm a big fan of 642 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: If any culture that I would like to appropriate, I 643 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: would like to appropriate the Jewish community. Why is that? 644 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,240 Speaker 1: Why is that? Because there is a writer passage to maturity, 645 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: there is a language to be learned, there is um 646 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: this internal support, financial support of one another. Um, there's 647 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:22,479 Speaker 1: protection of their loyalty of their culture, absolute protection. Yeah, 648 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: bet not. And there is a value to uh, their 649 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: history um um, and their traumas as well. And I 650 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm saying I feel like we have 651 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: all of that except for possibly that idea of valuing 652 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: our experience in place and value on it and value 653 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: on our culture, because I do think that there's parts 654 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: of our culture that we don't value. We don't value 655 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: it until we have to argue that it's ours. I 656 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: think we should take bits and pieces of things that 657 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: that work, things that work, But we don't do all 658 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: of all that stuff that you said about the Jewish community. 659 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: We do do that, and we do it with no privilege. 660 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: We do all of those things, and we have done 661 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: all of those things. Black people have been mutually supporting 662 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: one another in community, culture, and finance from the moment 663 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: that we were able to this. We've been doing that. 664 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,399 Speaker 1: We were we were doing that from the from the gate. 665 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: I understand, I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying, 666 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: there's a thing. Yeah, there's a there's a scale back 667 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: in style, as you know Asia. Because black holes don't 668 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: want you to call that the pyramid game. They want 669 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: to say that they are doing the same thing that 670 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: other cultures during that it does, right, Pop, I can 671 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: get what it's all. But everybody's calling you're trying to 672 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: be a part of this thing right now, the whole thing. 673 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: But but there was an argument also too, and this 674 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: is something I want to bring up to. There was 675 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: there was argument about what is a traditional African susu 676 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: and what what what of folks were doing at that time. 677 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: But we'll get back to that real quick. But you're right, 678 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 1: Black people have been doing this, you know, from the 679 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: beginning of the beginning. But I want to ask all this. 680 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: You know, there has been the weird, the very weird 681 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: energy amongst you know, Black people all over the diaspora 682 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: about us appropriating from each other. So there was a 683 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: there was a OpEd that was done a few years 684 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: ago from a sister that was from Nigeria who said 685 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: she was tired of seeing African Americans wearing kinte or 686 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,439 Speaker 1: and cora and it was just like, you don't that's 687 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: not your culture. Dare hurt my feelings. I barely know 688 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: what the funk about. Ship is saying everything up and 689 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 1: here I got all kinds of art organ here all 690 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,839 Speaker 1: kinds of masks and from your privilege, who you can 691 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: track your ship? Bitch? Because I'm sorry, not bitch. No, 692 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: she got honey, she she had, she got the business. 693 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: But it did open up that conversation where this kind 694 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: of I mean, even as we do it had to 695 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: be explained to me. So you are right, people do 696 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: not understand the value of kin take. But tell us, 697 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: tell us don't act like we like white folks, act 698 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,240 Speaker 1: like we are lost, okay, and we was kidnapped. Oh 699 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: somebody please applause. Amen. Oh that all I felt that. 700 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: But let me throw this, Let me throw this out there. 701 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: Let me throw this out there. If we really want 702 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: to value our culture as valid, right, we know that 703 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,800 Speaker 1: we are descendants of enslaved Africans, as our people in Brazil, 704 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: as our people in the Caribbean, as are people in 705 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: many parts of the world, but as African Americans. I mean, 706 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: look at Quiote culture. It's like, to me, that's our kine. 707 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: But we don't value it like that, besa Butler. So 708 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: my thing exactly, So my thing is why do why 709 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: not we look at the culture we created here and 710 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: hold it up as something to be respected, as something 711 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: to be sacred, something to be important to us, so that, yes, 712 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: if we do want to engage in and and and 713 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: and learn more about the motherland, that's there for us, 714 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: But we don't have to take ownership of it, because 715 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: we have something already to take ownership of. Dances music. 716 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm from Washington, d C. Originally we hand dance. In Chicago, 717 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: they call it stepping. In Detroit they call it something different. 718 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: It's like there's variations to the culture. There's music and 719 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: d C. We have go go music and you know, Baltimore, 720 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: you got a house and I'm just saying you've got 721 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: all this different stuff. So the thing is like, if 722 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: we really want to get down to the conversation about 723 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 1: valuing culture, that has to exist for us too. Yeah, 724 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: it's it's time, and we're listen. And again we are 725 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: learning as we go. Our little kid not getting that 726 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 1: group of people. We are learning as we go. So 727 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,399 Speaker 1: now as you say that, yeah we should. So now 728 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: we need to figure out just how to make that 729 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: be like make that apart. It can be a part 730 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: of curriculum. We got to be a part of like 731 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: your upbringing. It has to be a part of your upbringing. 732 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: It has to be in the household, and it's taking 733 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: us a lot of time to get where we are. 734 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: But we are here. We are here, and we're starting 735 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,720 Speaker 1: to have our eyes open way more than ever before. 736 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 1: We'll say what you call it woke. You know, we're 737 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: waking up. I'm not gonna say we're woke. I'm gonna 738 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: say we're waking up because there's a lot of things 739 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: that we're holding onto because that's what are, that's what 740 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 1: massive do. Take that, Take that ugly. That doesn't feel 741 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: good to think that you're following someone that potentially hates you. 742 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel good. It doesn't it. You know, there's 743 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,800 Speaker 1: nothing about that that feels good. So change your mind. 744 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: Change your mind. Support yourself, support your businesses. Be mindful 745 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: when you are allowing your daughter to address like princess, 746 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: who do who be? Whoopy? Do? Be mindful? Be mindful 747 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: when you're allowing your children to watch cartoons and who 748 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: it is that they're saying is the most beautiful girl 749 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: in the kingdom over and over and over white dolls. Sorry, 750 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: I'm just saying like I'm not I don't. I am 751 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: never into hating any other people. I'm not into it. 752 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 1: I just don't think that hate is a way to 753 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: to to win anything. But to be aware and to 754 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: be mindful and to love yourself are not fall for 755 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 1: the traps as much as you can. I'm gonna probably 756 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: have on a blind wig tomorrow because it's fun, and 757 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't take it seriously. It is not a part 758 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: of me. I own that old wig. It don't own me. 759 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: How is your time? Here's a poem I really dig. 760 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: It's called Frederick Douglas and it's written by Robert Hayden. 761 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: As you can tell, I like this guy. When it 762 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: is finally ours, This freedom, this liberty, this beautiful and 763 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,240 Speaker 1: terrible thing, needful to man, as air, usable as earth, 764 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: when it belongs at last to all, when it is 765 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:03,800 Speaker 1: truly instinct, brain matter die a stile size, stily reflex action, 766 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: when it is finally one, when it is more than 767 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 1: the gaudy mumbo jumble of politicians. This man, this Douglas, 768 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: this former slave, this negro, beaten to his knees, exiled, 769 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: visioning a world where none is lonely, none haunted alien, 770 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: This man superb in love and logic. This man shall 771 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 1: be remembered holl not with statues, rhetoric, not with legends 772 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: and poems and wreaths of bronze alone, but with the 773 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: lives grown out of his life. The live's fleshing his 774 00:50:51,480 --> 00:51:19,440 Speaker 1: dream of the beautiful needful there How do you eat 775 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 1: an elephant? One guid time? Hey everyone, I'm Eves, a 776 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 1: producer on the show, and we're at the end of 777 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: another episode, which means I have some resources for you. 778 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 1: The law that Layah was referring to earlier is the 779 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: Crown Act, passed in California in twenty nineteen. The law 780 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: prohibits discrimination based on a hair style and hair texture 781 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: in California workplaces and k through twelfth public and charter schools. 782 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: Since it was passed in California, versions of the Crown 783 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: Act have become law in several other U S states 784 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: and cities, and as far is learning more about the 785 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: concept of cultural appropriation and how it shows up. The 786 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: Wikipedia page is a good place to start, and you 787 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: can dig deeper into the subject from there, and there 788 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 1: are a lot of places you can go with it, 789 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,800 Speaker 1: way beyond photos of politicians and black face and white 790 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,240 Speaker 1: folks and problematic costumes. For another take on the concept, 791 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: you can read the Atlantic article Every Culture appropriates which 792 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,399 Speaker 1: I link in the episode description along with these other 793 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:30,880 Speaker 1: resources and as always, protect your own peace and blessings everybody. 794 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:36,479 Speaker 1: It's been a great conversation. Talk to you soon. Thank 795 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: you for listening to Jill Scott Presents j dot il 796 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:56,799 Speaker 1: the podcast. This podcast is hosted by Jill Scott, Why 797 00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: Is st Clair and Age Are Grading Dance Claire. It's 798 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 1: executive producers are Jill Scott, Seawan Ju and Brian Calhan. 799 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: It's produced by Layah st Clair and me Beeves Stephcote. 800 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: The editing and sound design for this episode we're done 801 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: by Taylor Chikorn. The poem Frederick Douglas is from Collected 802 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,280 Speaker 1: Poems of Robert Hayden by Robert Hayden, copyright nineteen sixty 803 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: six by Robert Hayden, used with permission of the publisher W. W. 804 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,319 Speaker 1: Norton and Company in all rights reserve. J dot Ill 805 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts 806 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: from I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 807 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.