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Speaker 1: Well, Hi, I'm buzzs Night, the host of the Taking

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Speaker 1: a Walk podcast, and welcome to another look at this

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Speaker 1: week in music history for the week of March the tenth,

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Speaker 1: and we go to the Taken a Walk Music History Desk.

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Speaker 1: He is a masterful guitar hack, but we won't start there.

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Speaker 1: He's also the purveyor of all things music history. I'm sorry, Harry,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't have busted you up that early on musician

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Speaker 1: music fan media executive Harry Jacobs at the Taken a

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Speaker 1: Walk Music History Desk.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: It's like a whack over the head with a sledgehammer

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Speaker 3: right away. But I guess I asked for it right

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Speaker 3: last week.

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Speaker 2: I asked for it.

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Speaker 3: I said I like to be referred to as a

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Speaker 3: master hack guitar player.

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Speaker 1: So I see you think I'm barely paying attention. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know that's really true.

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Speaker 3: I have this friend from Brockton, mass who one of

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Speaker 3: his famous sayings is I never gave anything to anyone

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Speaker 3: they didn't have coming to him. I believe I had

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Speaker 3: that one coming the great.

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Speaker 2: Way to go.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, what do you got for the

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Speaker 1: week of March tenth?

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Speaker 3: We got a lot, and I'm glad you're starting right away.

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Speaker 3: March tenth, nineteen eighty four, Van Halen released nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: four Jump Panama. Unbelievable album but in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 3: and hear me out on this, This was the end

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Speaker 3: of van Halen, the van Halen we knew.

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Speaker 2: And I can explain or you can disagree, or.

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Speaker 1: Well, are you saying when something became too pop sounding,

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Speaker 1: too soft sounding to we just want top forty airplay sounding?

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Speaker 1: Is that where you're going, Harry.

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Speaker 2: I'm going two places first? Is that one?

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Speaker 3: So we're thinking the same way. I thought, you know,

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Speaker 3: Jump in particular, I thought Jump was just really kind

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Speaker 2: Think about what we were used to at that time.

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Speaker 3: And the Cradle will rock a beautiful girls, Somebody get

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Speaker 3: me a doctor. You know, the list goes on. Those

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Speaker 3: first couple of albums were just you know, amazing, and

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Speaker 3: even the third one I thought was great, but this one,

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Speaker 3: certainly would Jump got a little bit poppy. But more so,

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Speaker 3: what I'm referring to is that it was the end

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Speaker 3: of David Lee Roth for a time, and and the

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Speaker 3: band even when they got back together with Roth in

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Speaker 3: twenty eleven or twenty twelve, the band was never the same.

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Speaker 3: Roth came back a lounge singer and he's horfic now.

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Speaker 3: And I was a huge Van Halen fan, but he

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Speaker 3: just got goofy, got really goofy, and it was tough

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Speaker 1: My opinion, I would agree with you on both fronts.

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Speaker 1: Maybe on the first front. Look, when bands, you know,

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Speaker 1: either through their own internal discussions or label executives or

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Speaker 1: means we need to get top forty airplay, which back

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Speaker 1: then was something completely different than now top forty airplay

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Speaker 1: that I'm sure was a big debate, you know, in

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Speaker 3: I mean he really did become a caricature of himself,

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Speaker 3: Anyway, nineteen eighty four, Van Halen in nineteen seventy one

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Speaker 3: you know, almost eighty years old. Do you have anything

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Speaker 3: Roger Daltrey is available for interviews. Are there any rumors

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Speaker 1: But all I can tell you is Simon Davies who

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Speaker 2: And how about I just leave it at that, Okay,

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Speaker 3: March thirteenth, nineteen eighty five, Live Aid was announced and

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Speaker 1: How special Bob Geldoff was to put that together. For

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Speaker 1: But so many iconic performances, some bad ones along the

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Speaker 2: Because it was a historic event.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was just you know, like everyone

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Speaker 3: the hoopla that surrounded it. But the Joshua Tree came

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Speaker 3: that was one of those things. Even to this day,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that album still stands up. It's still a

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Speaker 3: That was an unbelievable album. That was obviously you know,

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Speaker 1: And Carter is simply one of the best human beings

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nineteen seventy two, March fifteenth, John and Yoko were

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Speaker 3: served with deportation orders by Tricky Dick the Nixon administration.

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Speaker 2: And this is you know, this was on the heels.

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Speaker 1: Right, and activism was really their you know, vocal protests

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Speaker 3: And I'm glad to report, or puzzle to report, or

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Speaker 3: rights position is still alive and well.

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Speaker 2: In this country. Yeah, it's alive. Yeah, maybeah, maybe not well. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy one, March sixteenth, the Almond Brothers began

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Speaker 3: recording their legendary at the Fillmore East Shows series of shows.

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Speaker 2: I Love the Almond Brothers band. I love them to death.

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Speaker 1: I see Bill Graham, the legendary promoter purveyor of all

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Speaker 2: And so and you get me right.

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Speaker 1: So I go up and I say, explained to him

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Speaker 3: to see. Dave said, to see Richie and Beansy hug

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Speaker 1: It's it's kind of namely one that pops into your

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Speaker 3: I I'm not a betting guy, even though I'm here

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Speaker 3: in Vegas. But when you just issued that challenge, find me,

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Speaker 1: On spoil it for that night, the shout for how long.

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Speaker 3: of fun. But that show, in my opinion, was amazing

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Speaker 3: Breaking Bad. They gave us the ending, wrapped it up.

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Speaker 2: In a bow.

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Speaker 3: There were a handful of little things that were left

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Speaker 1: I don't think I can debate that one with enough

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Speaker 2: So you can win that one without any dispute. Do

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Speaker 2: I need to.

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Speaker 3: Turn on my camera and record you or reference back

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Speaker 3: to this episode of this Week in Music History to

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Speaker 3: make sure that you do pick up the check.

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Speaker 2: On that date.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just just pull the clip exactly, pull the clip aside,

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Speaker 1: and everything, everything will be will be beautiful. But we'll

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Speaker 1: But I think they run out of steam for these

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Speaker 3: You know, I have a friend who does that once

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Speaker 3: you know how he watches it. He does everything but Melfie. Right,

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Speaker 3: So he said, I know how to get through it.

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Speaker 3: I got the perfect way to get through it. I go,

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Speaker 3: I watch everything and I skipped through Doctor Melfie. That's brilliant.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I'll take that.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Well.

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Speaker 1: By the next time we're here, maybe there'll be more

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Speaker 1: information on the mysterious death of Gene Hackman and his

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Speaker 1: as a moment of current talk because everybody's talking about

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Speaker 1: that terrible story. But anyway, enough of my digressing, Harry. Now,

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Speaker 1: what an actor, My god, what an amazing career Gene Hackman.

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Speaker 2: At my god, I just saw and.

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Speaker 3: I know we're wrapping this up, but I saw a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, maybe even a week ago, and boy,

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Speaker 3: he's you know, he was ninety four years old.

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Speaker 2: And he is unrecognizable.

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, well that wraps up another this week

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Speaker 1: of music history for the week of March to tenth.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Harry Jacobs. I appreciate you as always, and

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Speaker 1: thanks to all of you for checking out the Taking

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Speaker 1: a Walk Podcast. You can check us out Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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