WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 151 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:02.920 Al Zone Media. 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.120 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.840 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.080 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.919 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.400 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.360 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.119 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.200 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:27.800 Welcome, Dick. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.640 It happened here a podcast where we're bringing shitty Mayor 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.239 Monday back to celebrate an incredibly special occasion, which is 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.920 the unbelievably funny federal indictment of what New York Mayor 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.920 Eric Adams with me to talk about. This is Garrison Davis, 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.919 is James Stout and and we have a New York expert, 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:53.479 our fellow trade unionist, Yeah, Joey pat who works on 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:55.400 what we Love an Afterlives. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.200 Joey. Welcome to the show. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.920 Hey, thank you for having me. Excited to be here. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.240 I hope I can I can provide some insight to 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.520 New York City and everything that's been happening lately. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.280 The Eric Adams news really is kind of the most 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.839 positive piece of deuce that we've had the past month. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.600 It's been a really bad it's keeping me going, Yeah, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:19.720 I feel like I gotta say. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:21.720 I found out the news of the indictment. I was 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.920 at like a gay bar near me, like at a 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:29.560 like queer Pool event, and like everybody got the news 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.399 at the same time, and it was one of the 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.679 funniest ways to learn that Eric Adams has been a Yeah. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.840 That was that was the like the most joy I've 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:40.520 seen from a from a group of New Yorkers in 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:40.920 a while. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:42.040 What a beauty. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.520 Yeah, Okay, So I want to I want to open 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.039 the floor up to Eric Adams stories, but first I 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:48.920 need to complain about the fact that so I have 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.840 I have long as a proud Chicago Wan who has 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.880 now fled Chicago for Portland. I have long made fun 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.480 of New York for being a tier two Chinese city 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:59.840 that thinks that it's the greatest city in the world. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.120 And then I learned they didn't have trash cans, which 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.080 pushed this at like this is not even like a 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.840 two or five. This is a level of trash collection 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:12.000 that you see in like rural Hoobe, Like what the fuck? 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.080 Britain the United Kingdom where we got ready to trash 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:15.480 cans too. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.679 Oh my god, that's not true though, because luckily Eric 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.359 Adams didn't make the trash can. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.040 Just what is going on. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.880 The first American city to ever think of this idea 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.760 for contacts. I am also in a unique position here 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:36.640 because I'm from Chicago, and yeah, oftentimes get my friends 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.880 and family that still live in Chicago confused as to 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.200 why I live out here. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.120 I do love New York. It is a great detity 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.000 to live in. But these are the kind. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.080 Of moments we have where I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.080 I can't. I can't. 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.800 I don't know, I honestly. And then I think about 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.120 this Eric Adams stuff too. It's like the stuff he's so, 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.800 there's gonna be a second federal indict with more people 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.760 in it, but the first one it's kind of brush 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:05.680 league ship by Chicago standards. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:07.480 Like like if you compare this. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:12.240 To like like Rob Lagoyevitch trying to sell off, like 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.119 trying to sell Obama's Senate seat, It's like, okay, yeah, 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:17.799 I've been saying New York. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:18.600 Wants to be Chicago. 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:25.280 They're starting a second city here too. No, No, there's 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.720 been adds in the subway, and every time like takes 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.520 away a part of my soul. Like, I'm like, you 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.359 cannot claim that that is us. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.720 It just means there's going to be even more insufferable people. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:36.840 That sucks. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.520 Yeah, a second second city has hit the Towers. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:47.040 Another great Ragadom's moment with Eric Adams hit the Towers. No, no, 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.080 but he had he had this great interview where he 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.720 was asked to summarize, like what makes New York great 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.960 in one word? And he gave the answer new York, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.720 which is two words, and that explained it's because it's 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.720 the only city where you can wake up and have 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:04.880 nine eleven happen and also open up a small business. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.560 It's one of the one of the funniest Eric Adams 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:11.920 moments I've ever seen till until he was indicted, which 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.760 is now the new funniest Rogats moment, which we should 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.359 probably get to because this is not a short indictment. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.800 Wait are we're doing all Eric adams favorite moments yet? 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.160 Because I have a family, we got to run that. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.040 Yeah, I've already done mine. 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.680 Yeah, do you want to hit this with you? As Jerry? 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:27.800 Mine's definitely. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.080 I think the ongoing saga of just whether or not 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.000 he's a vegan, and the fact that he repeatedly claims 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:35.320 he's a vegan and thinks that vegan. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.240 I didn't know this. Yeah, he's a vegan. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.120 He talks a lot about how he's a vegan and 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.719 all the health benefits and how it's he has a 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.640 lot of weird like beliefs about health and stuff that 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.839 have come out over his you know, mayr Oll run. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.000 But apparently he's not actually a vegan because he's been 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.440 seen like eating chicken on camera and like that weird 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.640 video of his apartment when he was running. That was 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.760 the Brooklyn apartment that he may or may not live in, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.520 Like there was like some sort of meat. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.400 Product in the fridge or something. There's been a whole. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.599 Thing about how like he maybe and he's like admitted 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.720 that he's like eaten meat sometimes, like he's like, oh, well, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.159 you know, I'll just have like a little nibble, like 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:15.479 it's it's it doesn't count. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.400 Chicken isn't beacon What do you mean he identifies as 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:20.280 a vacant. 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:26.320 Yeah, he's like some kind of like like sixteenth century 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.600 Catholic you know, where they have all these weird exceptions 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:29.520 for fish. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.159 And like right right, that's the repent and then whatever 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.800 to confass and and then he's getting he gets as 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:36.599 we get a card back. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:37.800 That's a good one. That's a good one. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.800 Yeah, Joe's Jewey's kind of mentioned mine. But the fact 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.680 that he definitely is from New Jersey, which I think 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:43.760 is what allowed him to use a trash can, Like 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.640 she definitely does not live in New York. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.760 There's there's no way. Like my favorite also relates to 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.839 him not living in New York, which is when Curb 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.200 staked out his New York apartment and he came back 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:00.080 once parked illegally and then caused a traffic jam. I 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.840 parking illegally so that he couldn't put out of the pocket. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.200 He wasn't in a pocket space. He was in someone's driveway. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:12.000 So then he proceeded to drive along the sidewalk and 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.919 they like filmed him doing this, and he confessed to 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.000 doing it and was like it was a terrible mistake, 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.640 just an incredible sequence of events. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.479 I mean, maybe that is like a New York mayor 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.360 who can't drive, Like I guess that makes sense. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.479 Like yet refuses to use mass transit Oh. 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:32.440 God, that's true. That's true. He does hate public transportation. God, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.680 you can just send more cops in the subway. That'll 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:35.320 fix it, all right. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.880 Oh god, let's uh yeah, let me, let's let's get 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.159 into this. Get start. So okay. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:45.359 So the things here is being indicted for are effectively okay. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:51.000 So he took a bunch of different bribes in different ways. 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.080 So he took I guess there's two broad categories of 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.600 bribes that he took, which is the bribes that are 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.680 campaign donations that he funneled through straw donors, which is 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.800 the thing where you like there's like limits on how 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.840 much money you could donate to someone, right, So what 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.680 you do is you find like ten people and you 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.800 give them all two thousand dollars so they can still 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.600 donate it even though it's the Moodey's from you. This 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.560 is unbelievably illegal. And the second type is him just 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:21.480 accepting unbelievable amounts of like gifts and stuff from a 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.680 Turkish airliner. Now, the interesting thing about this is that 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:27.800 you would expect this is the thing that started when 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.600 he was a mayor, but like, no, he was so 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.400 he was he was the borough president of Brooklyn for 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.200 a bunch of years before he became mayor, And this 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:38.600 is like as Burro President is when he like really 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:43.360 started doing all of this random, weird corruption stuff. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.800 He's been doing this for like almost like ten years. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.680 Yeah, I kind of love this too, because the like 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.800 Brooklyn Borough president, it's kind of a fake job, like 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.320 you don't really do anything. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:56.280 And I love the fact that. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.000 He still managed to find ways to be corrupt in 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.120 his like fake job that he adds. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.040 It's stunning because I'm going to read starting with the 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.240 indictment a bit. By smuggling their contributions to Adams through 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:11.960 US based straw donors, Adams oversees contributors defeated federal laws 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.600 that serve to prevent for an influence on US elections. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.960 Both the individuals evaded laws designed to limit their power 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.240 over elected officials by restricting the amount of money one 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.640 person could donate to a candidate, and businesses circumvented New 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.880 York City's ban on corporate contributions by fundeling the donations 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.000 through multiple employees, frustrating a law that sees reduced corporate 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:34.560 power in politics. Adams increases fundraising by accepting these concealed 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.800 illegal donations at the cost of giving his secret patients 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.360 undue influence over him that the law tries to prevent. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.240 So this is really funny because so there's three different 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.280 illegal like things that he's done, like through these straw donors. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.160 So like there's like there's three kinds of campaign contributions. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:51.800 You can't do. It's like corporations. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.560 One person, there's like limits on how men watch an 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.960 individual person can donate and you can't get you can't 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:01.000 get donations from like people not from the US. And 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.680 he managed to both individually and in the same scheme 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.360 violate every single one of these laws. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:08.720 It's it's genuinely incredible. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.120 I guess I would like to learn more. I mean 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:12.680 at some point, and I'm sure we'll get into it 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.880 as how like explicit this whole like Turkish funding really 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.560 is like extremely. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.520 About it. Yeah yet will I'm sure we'll get to this. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.480 It's when they're like, hey, Eric, you're not going to 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.760 say anything about the Median genocide. Arue that Tony didn't happen, bro, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.280 don't mention the genocide. Oh yeah, we'll get to that. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.800 So Eric Adams, a defendant, also saw and received other 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.400 improper benefits from some of the same co conspirators who 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.880 funded shra altonations to his campaign, In particular, a senior 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:46.760 official in the Turkish diplomatic establishments henceforth Turkish official who 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:50.320 facilitated many Charlton nations to Adams, also arranged for Adams 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.040 and his companions to receive free or discount to travel 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:57.320 on Turkey's national airline, quote the Turkish Airline, which is 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.680 owned a significant part by the Turkish governments. Nations including France, China, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.280 Sri Lanka, India, Hungary and Turkey itself. The Turkish officials 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.200 and other Turkish nationals further arranged for Adams and his 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:11.559 companions to receive, among other things, free rooms at opulent hotels, 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.280 free meals a high end restaurants, and free luxurious entertainment 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.239 while in Turkey. So this is all very very explicit. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.520 He's got wanderlust. You know, he was supposed to be 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:23.600 like a travel. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:27.840 Blogger like Girley, like doing tiktoks, and you know, unfortunately 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:28.920 he had to become mayor. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.200 So, yeah, a bunt of log forster. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.200 Mayor starting to do the job he wants to. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.040 Yeah, it's very tragic. Okay, So actually the first thing 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.040 Turkish influence thing that he did. I actually, this is 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.520 weirdly the one part of this I don't have a 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.840 problem with. One of the big things he was trying 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.760 to get was there's a giant like newke Turkish consulate 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.400 building that they opened kind of recently, and a big 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.720 part of this was getting permission to open the Turkish 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.160 consulate without a fire inspection, so that aired one could 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.880 visit for like the opening of the consulate and look, okay, 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.960 we already can't fly to Turkey because of republic support 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.840 for the Curtis Free movement. So like, I'm just gonna 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.360 say this, I am entirely okay with this. I am 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.200 I don't I don't give a shit if they don't 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:14.240 do fire inspections. 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.480 I'm okay with her to one being in a non 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:17.440 fire safe building. 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.480 Yeah yeah, like fuck them. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.320 Like if the guy who burned one hundred and fifty 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.719 people alive and Cindy wants to fucking burn a death 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.800 in his own consulate, then let him. Like I Jennie 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.920 Whitely don't give a shit about this. She did threaten 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.280 the job of like the New York Fire Department's fire inspector, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.360 which kind of sucks, but like if everyone wants to 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.640 burn a death in his death trap, let him do that. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:41.080 This is one of the. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.760 Text conversations that then was was uh, I don't know 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.840 if leaked is the right word, but yeah, like because 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:48.360 it was. It was they were like there was something 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:49.960 they said to where they were like, we've done a 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:51.960 lot for you, now it's time for you to do 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.240 something for the Republic of Turkey. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:56.560 Yeah, yeah, we'll get we'll get to that. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.959 This is yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:01.320 Ex tolown shit. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.120 That like all right. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.480 After Eric Adams, a defendant, first travel to Turkey in 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.959 twenty fifteen, the Turkish official introduced Adams to Turkish Airlines 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.160 general manager in New York City area in twenty sixteen 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.240 and twice in twenty seventeen. Again, this is all before 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.840 he's mayor. Adams solicited and accepted free and heavily discounted 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.280 luxury air travel from Turkish Airlines as part of Turkish officials' 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.760 efforts to gain influence over Adams on three separate trips. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.720 Basically like he's getting first class tickets from all of 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:30.280 these people. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.559 It's so much money worth of stuff, like just like 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.160 thousands of dollars. 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.080 The exact totals, like all of the gifts he took 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.240 from Turkish Airlines, it's like one hundred and it's like 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:40.960 one hundred and thirty thousand something dollars. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:42.680 Jesus Christ. Yeah damn. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.720 So, like any time I read a paragraph of this, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.320 just assume that in between, like whatever paragraph I'm reading 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.040 and the stuff I didn't read before it, he's taken 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:57.240 another ten thousand dollars of free like first class rides 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:58.080 to Turkish airline. 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.120 It is a blessing in disguise. I will say that 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.320 I will never see Eric Adams on a flight because 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.280 I cannot fly. It was Turkish Airlines. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.160 That's true. There's a very funny line about this, because 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.880 the Turkish airline provided free travel benefits were tens of 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.320 thousands of dollars to Eric Adams, the defendants. He flew 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.320 the Turkish airline even when doing so was otherwise inconvenience. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:18.720 Yeah, this is fucking correct. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:23.079 For example, for example, dreamed the July and August twenty 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.959 seventeen trip. Adam's partner was surprised to learn that Adams 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.840 was in Turkey when she had understood him to be 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.960 flying from New York to France. Adams responded in a 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.040 text message quote transferring here, you know first stop is 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:42.200 always an istanbul spelled very wrong and lowercase is true rather. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.679 When adams partner later inquired about planning a trip to 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:52.319 the eastern island Chile, Adams repeatedly asked her whether Turkish 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.320 airlines could be used for these flights, requesting her to 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.120 call Turkish Airlines to confirm they did not have roots 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:59.439 between New York and Chile. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.920 Why wouldn't you have a flight from New York? 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.520 Oh my god, it Spit's part of the greater Ottoman Empire. 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.880 You know, I would take bribes from Eric Canada. But 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:14.319 I'm also not running for mayor. 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.800 So yeah, well you could run for a Bira president. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.680 That's true. That's true. I could. I could become elected 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.480 the mayor of South Fulton. That is very doable. Every Similarly, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.120 lots of the mayors of South Fulton have had very 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.280 odd kind of controversies. So what I'm saying is South 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.280 Fulton is basically Georgia's version of New York. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.160 New York is a South Fulton of America. Have you 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.320 have you guys seen a video clip of him? Every 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.400 city he goes to. He says, like New York is 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:42.280 the city of America. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:51.880 It's crazy, It's crazy, it standbul of America. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.560 So this is all very funny. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.320 But this is all happening all of the the tens 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.360 of thousands of dollars at this point of money that 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.720 he's taking from Turkey, it's all happening in a period where 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.520 Turkey is butchering curds across the Middle East, like his 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.440 first trip there. And this is all again well before 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.760 his mayor while he's like Brooklyn Borough president is four 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.840 months before the fire bombing of the city that I 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.320 talked about where they were again, they burned one hundred 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.080 and fifty civilians alive in a fucking building. If I'm 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.200 remembering correctly, I'm pretty sure they killed. I'm pretty sure 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.120 they burned the city council alive. That's just the stuff 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.960 in Turkey. And like we have covered extensively on this show, 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.720 Turkey's like drone warfare program. There's the whole thing of it. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.080 Has been long suspected that the Turkish government was aiding 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.600 Isis during the period because they were like using basically 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.320 using them as a proxy to fight like Kurtish Freedom 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.280 movement forces in Syria. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.880 I think you could definitely say that, like former ISIS 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.160 fighters are now fighting for the Turkish against the Kurds 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.360 in the Rocky Curtis done. Yeah, I've said that before. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:52.960 The Kurds will tell you that. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:58.200 For I know, David Graebrin anthropologists, you spent actually who 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.280 smuggled a bunch of drone parts. You had a story 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.000 about how we talking people like yeah, they would like 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.120 they would pick up ISIS fighters and they would look 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.000 at their possessions and they every single one of them 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.000 as Turkish passports. They all have like Turkish id shit. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:12.960 It's like, hmm, I wonder where these people came from. 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.120 Even like I'll just say I have spoken to some 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.760 people who were part of the fight against ISIS who 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:23.600 discovered blank Turkish passports. Uh when taking like ISIS buildings 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:24.760 and ISIS strongholds. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.280 Yeah, so there's there's I mean, just this is a 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.080 period of even by the standards of Turkey, like unbelievable 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.960 Turkish violence. This is their their invasion of Syria, and 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.080 you know this is this is the period in which 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.360 Eric Adams decides that he's going to become an Asian 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.040 to the Turkish State, and so obviously like he lies 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.040 about this to the governments, because again you're not allowed 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.480 to do this. There's a bunch of very funny schemes 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:52.600 that he does. As Brooklyn Borough President, Adams employed a 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.920 scheduler henceforth known as the Adams Scheduler, who pointed it 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.960 who managed appointments, meetings, and other official events. Despite her 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.000 status as a New York City employee, the Adams scheduler 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.640 was used by Adams to perform personal tax for him, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.920 such as collecting rent at a Brooklyn property he owned. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.560 Adams also assigned the scheduler to pay various expenses for him, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.520 after which Adams would reimburse the scheduler in cash. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.600 In twenty seventeen, Adams sent. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.480 A series of emails to the scheduler directing the scheduler 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.879 to pay for the free twenty seventeen flights that he 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.320 and his companions had already taken on the Turkish Airline, 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:31.080 but the emails provided inconsistent explanations. In some Adams suggested 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.440 that the Adams schedulers should pay using Adam's credit card, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.119 while on others, Adams claimed to have left cash in 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.840 an envelope for the Adams scheduler to send to the 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:41.800 Turkish airline. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.000 Ah, it's that's how you pay. It's how I pay 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.119 for all my fights. Cash it an envido. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.280 This is how he tried to cover up for the 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:49.960 fact that he's not paying for these flights. And he'll 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.000 pay like six hundred dollars for a theater dollar ticket. 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:52.440 But he's like. 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.119 Sending envelopes to his scheduler to hand to the Turkish 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:56.520 air line. 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.720 A man who was a call doing an absolutely terrible 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.520 job of covering his own ass. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:06.080 You know who else is taking bribes from the turkeysh government. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.399 It's not our products and services. It's it's someone else's 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:27.280 products and services. Ours are all fine, we are back. 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.560 So there's actually another paragraph of that part. For example, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.560 on November twenty fifth, twenty seventeen, Adam sent an email 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.000 to the scheduler saying that, with respects to the July 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.399 trip quote, I left you the money for the international 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:45.040 airline and an envelope and your top gest drawer, please send. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:45.760 It to them. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:47.600 So the funny one about this, right, So he's supposed 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:49.080 to have this like cash dead drop to pay for 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.600 the airline tickets, then he just like never does it 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:53.240 because the tickets are free. 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.000 So he just like stops covering his tracks. Yeah amazing 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.359 and doesn't use signal. Yeah it's it's it really is 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.840 sounding Okay. So what is Turkish government getting from this 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.040 in return for travel benefits? The Turkish official provided or range. 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.280 In about twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen, Eric Adams, the defendant, 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.280 granted a political request from the Turkish official prior to 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.439 adams twenty fifteen travel to Turkey, which Adams knew and 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.000 disclosed to the One of the monitoring agencies have been 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.680 funded by, among other entities, the Turkish Consulate, the Turkish 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.320 Airline in three separate municipalities in Turkey. Adams maintained a 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.800 relationship with a Turkish community center in Brooklyn. In or 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.480 about twenty sixteen, the Turkish official told Adams that the 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.080 community center was affiliated with a Turkish movement that was 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.080 hostile to Turkey's government, and that if Adams wished to 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.919 continue receiving support from the Turkish government, Adams could no 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.080 longer associate with the community center. Adam zach Wies Scott, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.600 I wonder who it was, see, Okay, so I looked 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:50.040 into this. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:52.600 No one that I've seen doing reporting on this seems 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.240 to know which center this was. But but this has 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.160 to be a Gulinist thing. Yeah, So to people who 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:03.879 didn't spend all of their childhoodmired in the of Turkish politics, 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.400 everyone's the current rule of Turkey. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.000 Gulm was like one. 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.520 Of his old old allies, but they had this giant 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.159 falling out and a huge part of what everyone was 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.280 doing in the twenty tens was like trying to purge 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.320 all of the Gulanists from everywhere. Like there was this 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:24.320 whole scheme running I think through Michael Flynn where Turkey 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.639 was trying to get Trump to like the Gulan's like 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:28.920 in like a compound and I think Virginia or something, 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.600 and Turkey was trying to get Trump to like raid 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.080 the compound and send them to Turkey, which didn't happen. 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.679 Yeah, that line's up with the coup they did twenty 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.440 sixteen coup, right, yeah. 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:43.240 Yeah, So, you know, it's always been unclear to me 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.719 exactly how much influences people have. But the one thing 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:47.600 I will say is that so I had a classmate 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:49.840 in college who was in Turkey for a long time, 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.639 and their line about it was like, yeah, I don't know, 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:54.720 like how much of this sort of Guladist deep state 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.800 shit is true. But also there were like gulanest people 0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:59.560 who you could go to who had like all the 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.280 answers to like state exams. 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.800 So if you want to be willing to get in bed, 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:04.600 whether they would just give. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.719 Him all the answers. So, like you know, they were 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:08.760 not a part of this. And I'm pretty sure what 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.240 happened here was that Adams was like cutting off all 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.520 contact with these people because this is part of the 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:16.760 gool and is split. I'm not one hundred percent sure 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.679 because there are multiple community centers in Brookly in Brooklyn, 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.200 like Turchi Media centers in Brooklyn, but I'm about eighty 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.800 percent sure that's what happens. So that's like one of 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:29.359 the first direct influence things. Okay, so he's doing the 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.159 influence peddling stuff, right, He's doing his partially through the airlines. 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.000 And then also he's just taking a bunch of legal 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:34.879 fundraising money. 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:35.439 Quote. 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.280 On July twenty second, twenty eighteen, the same day as 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:42.199 this fundraising event, the Adam staffer and the promoter discussed 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:44.639 by text message a possible trip by Adams the Turkey. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:49.040 The promoter stated, in part, fundraising Turkey is not legal, 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.400 but I think I can raise money for your campaign 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.400 off the record. The Adam Stafford inquired, how will Adams 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.679 declare that money? The promoter responded, he won't declare it 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.359 or will make the do do an American citizen in 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.200 the US a Turk. I'll give cash to him in Turkey. 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.479 We'll I'll send it to an American he will make 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.880 the donation to you. The Adam Stafford replied, I think 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.080 he won't get involved in such games. That might cause 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.840 a stink later on, but I'll ask anyways. The Adam 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.719 Stafford then asked how much do you think would come 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.560 from you. The promoter responded, max one hundred k. The 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.359 Adam Stafford wrote, one hundred k. Do you have a 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.840 chance to transfer that here? We can't do it while 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.840 Eric is in Turkey, to which your promoter replied, let's think. 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.720 After the conversation, the Adam Stafford asked Adams whether that 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.679 Adam Stafford should pursue the unlawful for contributions offered by 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:40.800 the promoter, and contrary to the staffers expectations, Adams directed 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.359 the staffer to pursue the promoter's illegal scheme. 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:44.160 That's crazy. 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.080 I feel like you should know who you're working for 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.399 well enough to be like, hey, this guy is offering 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:52.959 a completely illegal fundraising scheme that we know is illegal, 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:54.280 and I don't think my boss will take it. 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:55.640 And then the boss turns around to be he's. 0:22:55.560 --> 0:23:00.520 Like, yeah, fuck it raised, buddy, it might cause a 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:04.280 big stink later on. You don't say, yeah, that's wild. 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:05.760 To be fair, it did. 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.040 Yeah, it's so explicit, and I do want to get 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.120 to some some of the other text messages sooner or later, 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.600 because it really just shows how like aware everyone involved 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:16.320 is of over like what's going on? 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:17.960 Yeah, they're doing crimes. 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.520 It's literally just hey, what should I do with the 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:21.200 crime money? 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.360 The illegal crime? By the way, have we mentioned this illegal? 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.760 So partially this is being run through Turkish airlines, Partially 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:30.639 this is being run through Turkish university, and partially this 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.159 is being run through just a bunch of businessmen, some 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:34.320 of whom are Turkish, some of them aren't. So here's 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.199 like the next thing I was gonna read. Although Adams 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.640 knew that businessman one was a Turkish national who could 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.679 not lawfully contribute to US elections, Adams directed the staffer 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:45.640 to obtain the illegal contributions offered by Businessman one. Following 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:48.320 up on this directive, Adams wrote to the staffer that 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.400 business or one quote is ready to help. I don't 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.879 want his help to be wasted. So they are just 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:58.400 like unbelievably directly being like, yeah, we know this guy 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:00.600 can't do this, but we're just gonna tell them to 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:01.680 send this money anyways. 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:06.080 Yeah, it's insane how slapstick they are about this. Yeah, 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.320 and like you know, they're kind of trying to come 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:10.119 from tretch. I think that this part of it is 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.520 one of the things that I think, like was one 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.080 of the things that kind of went viral over this. 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:19.280 So Adams is trying to arrange another like fifty thousand 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.840 dollars contribution from a third Turkish businessman. 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.840 And in the middle of this, he's saying to the 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:30.800 staffer quote to be on the safe side, Please delete 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:34.439 capital P, capital D. Please delete all messages you send me, 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:38.639 Adams responded, always do. Now, we don't for a fact 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.800 that a bunch of these messages were simply not deleted, 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.760 because I have considering. 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:44.880 That you just read. 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:45.080 Though. 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.360 Yeah, I do also think It was worth noting that 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:52.320 some of these efforts certainly started to ramp up around 0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.600 his mayoral campaign, because some of these Turkish officials thought 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:58.840 that if Adams becomes a more like prominent member in politics, 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.200 never like runs for president, and if they can gain 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.080 influence over him from like pretty early on, that would 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.879 be really useful for the Turkish government. That is some 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:11.440 of like the reasoning behind this like decades long campaign. Yeah, 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.080 like puppet Eric Adams. 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.360 Maybe the Turkish government had seen Nate Silver's now infamous 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.240 tweet how it will be the. 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:23.760 Next Yeah, I mean it's all many such cases. 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.919 Yeah, Snate Silver who got them to chase us around 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:28.960 with drones last last October. 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:32.560 He keeps getting more businessman to donate tens of thousands 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:33.080 of dollars. 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:34.440 Oh yeah, it's so funny. 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.760 It's like repeatedly, he just keeps getting more and more 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:38.200 and more. 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:39.280 Yeah. 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:41.800 And the funniest part is that like by like guy 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.320 number four he's doing this with he's like telling the 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:48.159 guy how to do straw donations where he's like, yeah, no, 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.280 you can't donate ten thousand dollars to give two thousand 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:50.760 dollars to. 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.679 Each of your employees and they'll do it. 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.440 Yeah, he's doing like instructions for each of these guys, 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:57.560 and it's like at a certain point, like some of 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.040 the early airline stuff is yes, a llegal sketchy, but 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.160 like you know, it's it's just getting some nice plane 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:07.119 tickets by like twenty twenty one. He's just teaching them 0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:11.359 how to do like super illegal like campaign fraud. Yeah, 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:13.960 you've like committed so much that you're just like into deep, 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.160 like you can't like what's there to do? 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:18.080 Yeah? 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:19.400 You know who else is in too deep? 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.920 It's the products and services who controlled this podcast, this 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:24.200 podcast support that one. 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:32.359 Yeah, oh wow, wow, so much to say by the 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:33.399 Reagan coin people. 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:34.000 It's ump. 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.280 They have a very little editorial control. 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:39.640 Are you supposed to delete those tags? 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:51.080 There are so many funny ones. 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:55.320 He also he also is taking money from this construction 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.800 guy where he takes a bunch of buddy that it 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.160 like shows up at this like New York's big Pride 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.240 event to give a speech because he took money from 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:04.360 this like antruction guy. 0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:08.040 Did he say New York isse s Hee Wasbekistan of America? 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.400 Honestly, he probably has said that. That's like, yeah, he's. 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.440 Probably said Kazakhstan by accident because he always says the 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:18.000 wrong count giving his speech like that. 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.399 My favorite moment was the video of him speaking to 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:27.080 like the Indian group that he kept saying Pakistani, Oh god, yeah, yeah, 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.000 oh dear yeah. 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.560 I think that went down like a chocolate tipa. He 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:33.560 did it like twice too. They corrected him that he 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:34.360 kept doing. 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.480 It well, they were only yelling over him, and. 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.080 He said, stout God. 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:41.680 So there's another kind of funny one where he's he's 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.639 getting a bunch of money from this university and he 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.840 actually returns the money because his campaign is like his 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.679 Mayora campaign is over, but he's still going to go 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:51.840 to prison for it because he lied to the government 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.520 at where he got the money even though he gave 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.000 it away. Okay, So I want to start reading some 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.160 of these texts so we can get into like how 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:03.600 explicit the stuff is. On July twenty second, twenty twenty one, Adams, 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:07.120 through the staffer, requested that the airline manager book flights 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.639 to Istabul for Adams in order to conceal the favorable treatment. 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:14.440 The Adam stafford requested the airline manager charge Adams what 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.280 would appear to be a real price, Adam Stafford, how 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:19.959 much does he owe? Please let them make a call 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.119 and now will make the payments. Airline manager. It is 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:24.359 very expensive because it is last minute. I am working 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.760 on a discount, Adam Stafford. Okay, thank you, airline manager. 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.680 I am going to charge fifty dollars, Adam Stafford. No, 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:36.400 airline manager. That wouldn't work, wouldn't it, Adam Stafford, No, dear, 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:40.800 fifty dollars? What quote a proper price? How much should 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:45.800 I charge? A smiley face emoji, Adam Stafford. His every 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.560 step is being watched right now. One thousand dollars or so, 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.280 let it be somewhat real. We don't want them to 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:53.440 say that he is flying for free. At the moment, 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:55.000 the media's attention is on Eric. 0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:58.160 Amazing stuff. 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.320 The smiley faith of the tax is really throwing off. 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:05.680 It's so good. So he paid about like one one 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.760 hundred dollars for these round trip tickets, and he was 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:13.000 upgraded to business classes. Suck at him, and in actuality 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.840 these tickets would would again be like fifteen thousand dollars. 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:17.480 And this is like the same type of stuff he 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.400 was doing like eight years ago, except this time he 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.720 actually is paying some money, whereas last time he did 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.200 not actually fill up those envelopes with cash. Yeah, but 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.000 still he's about he's about fourteen thousand short. 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:34.520 He also was this a great one where like the 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.600 staffers like, do you have recommendations of where he can 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:37.080 go to Turkey? 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:38.040 At the airline manager? 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.200 Four season staffer, it's too expensive airline manager, why does 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.240 he care? He's not going to fake his name, will 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:47.640 not be at anything either, Adam stafford super super. 0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.760 Yeah, it's all so super illegal. 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.280 I want to meet the person who's sending these taxs. 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.080 Yeah, so bad. It's so funny. 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.240 Why is this like the cadence with which they're speaking 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:01.160 and these tacks, that's just insane. 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.920 It's incredible stuff. There's some great ones. I gotta read 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.560 this one. On the day the Adams fundraiser was scheduled 0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:11.240 to depart Istanbul, Adams created a message thread between himself 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:14.000 and the Adams fundraiser and the airline manager quote, he 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.960 will try to help with the issue with the form 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.520 he can see about a hotel or business class lounge. 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.200 The manager then arranged for the Adams fundraiser, who was 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.040 otherwise flying on an economy ticket, to have access to 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.760 not only the Turkish Airlines business lounge, but also an 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.960 exclusive private suite inside the lounge, complete with a bed 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.960 and free food. The Turkish airline manager explained, this is 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.080 our suite for VIPs and we want you to feel yourself. 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:41.800 Two words yourself sick VIP, smiley face emoji. 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.280 Fail yourself VIP. That's what we will want. 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.480 At another point in the exchange, Adams wrote, quote, thanks 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:51.880 a million airline manager, my brother. Which airline managers wanted anytime? 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:52.320 Brother? 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:53.160 Oh? 0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:59.040 No? 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.560 This on the day he won the election, Like the 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:08.880 day after, the airline manager sent the following text message, brother, congratulations. 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.240 Adams responded, cannot thank you enough. 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:16.720 So true, so true. That is good, although it's not 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.040 as good as kind of the next thing when in 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:23.560 December twenty one he was putting together his like mayoral 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.320 like team for like policy advisors and his transition team, 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:32.040 and he did not have like people from Turkey on 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:37.160 this list, so this air manager said, didn't. It's it's 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:40.960 not quite blackmail, but it is certainly like bribery, saying like, hey, 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:45.640 maybe you should put me on like your senior on 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:50.320 your senior advisory team. And if you don't, then you're 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.080 not going to get free tickets anymore. 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.080 Yeah, I want to read the exact line because it's 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:55.800 so funny. 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.160 The staffer sense of the airline manager list, and the 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.240 airline manager responded, it would suit me well to be 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.480 lead or senior advisor. Two days later, the airline manager 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:09.520 sent a message reiterating, lead please plz please smiley face, 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.120 otherwise fifty two is empty on the way back. 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:16.120 Seat. 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:23.120 Oh god, oh my god, Lead, please, you don't make 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.360 me a lead advisor. We're not going to give you 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:31.080 free free airplane tickets anymore. Oh my god, it's so funny. 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:31.880 Winky face. 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.880 And then uh, I believe he did add someone onto 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:36.880 onto his team. 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:38.760 Yep, yep, yeah. 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:42.200 He was added to the Infrastructure, Climate and Sustainability Committee 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.560 transition team Jesus Christ, which the whole Sustainability Commission is 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.760 just like a slush. There's another thing later where like 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.280 he's like a secret meeting of like these Turkish donors, 0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.800 and he calls it like a sustainability transition meetings, so 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:56.880 no one will know that he's having this meeting. 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.400 Man, you should read what the airline manager wrote after 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.640 he was added to the Climate and Sustainability and Infrastructure 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:06.680 Committee yeah. 0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:06.840 So. 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.160 On December twenty twenty one, the senior Turkish government official 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.920 set the airline manager a series of texts noting the 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.600 airline manager's membership on Adam's Infrastructure Climate Sustainability can be 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:17.400 and sending. 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:18.680 Applause about you. Oh no. 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:23.640 The airline manager responded that his membership on the Tradition 0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:26.560 Committee was in service of Turkey. Quote, thank you, brother. 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.480 We are doing our best to server country adequately. Your 0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:30.880 support gives us strength here. 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.120 Thank you. You were always there for us, and we're 0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:34.000 trying to be loyal. 0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:35.080 It's amazing. 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.240 Oh wait is it. We're trying to be worthy. 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.800 Yeah, we're trying to be worthy. Yeah, we're trying. 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.760 To be worthy. Yeah. That is so sorry. I'm trying 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:45.760 to be worthy of you. Thank you so much for 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:46.320 being there. 0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.200 Please be so good. 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.880 I just like want to be worthy of you. Ericata. 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.600 So by this point I total that the Turkish airline bribes, 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.640 specifically that all the benefits total one hundred and twenty 0:33:57.680 --> 0:33:59.080 three thousand. 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:01.280 Dollars seats general. 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:02.840 Life, which is also just a small fraction of like 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.480 the total amount of money he received to be fat. 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.480 That's probably like the face prices of business class tickets 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.160 and lounge access which no one actually pays for. Yeah. 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:15.000 Yeah, because like beyond the actual airline stuff because of 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:19.960 like the campaign like match like policy deals, like he 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:23.040 he received in the end like like ten million dollars 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:25.960 right from from like all of this whole ordeal. 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:27.320 Yeah. 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.040 So, so so the match funding thing basically is like 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:34.080 there's public matching funds for like private donations for for 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:34.880 mayoral candidates. 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:36.240 There's like some things you have to go through. 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.719 But in order to get that money right, you have 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.719 to abide by campaign finance law and all of the 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.319 So all of these like straw donor bribe donations that 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.279 he's getting are being are also I think it's like 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.440 eight to one or something like matching funds are being matched. 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.880 By the paid government. Say you got like ten million 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:53.200 dollars matching funds. 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:57.160 He's not only like doing like campaign fraud by getting 0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.880 this like foreign influence amount of money. He's also just 0:34:59.920 --> 0:35:03.520 like stealing from from everyone else too by having all 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.840 of these illegal contributions matched. 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:06.240 Yeah. 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.600 So in the end, I think he's like he's like 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.160 charged with like like basically ten million dollars. 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:12.520 Yeah, of like fraud. 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.480 The other thing is like this is this is how 0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:17.839 he won the election, Like he won the election by 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.879 spending an unbelievable amount of money and like that money, 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.920 who's like this like stuff that he defrauded the government for. 0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.719 And it's ironic that like the campaign funding matching is 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.960 designed to like amplify the donations made by regular New 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.080 Yorkers and not make it all like a super Pac game. Yeah, 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.319 Eric Adams thought he they made an end run around that. 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:39.960 Like I did not realize just because I had been 0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.440 keeping up with like Eric Adams news previous to this, 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.080 I did not realize how often his house was getting 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:46.120 rated by the FBI. 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.120 There were so many There's been so many, Like this 0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:52.759 is all just one angle on the like thirty five, 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.600 because there's there's so much other corruption he was doing, 0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.080 Like this is just the stuff they gone specifically around 0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.840 him for. But like basic everyone in the circle around 0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.920 him is like also going to prison. Like to the 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.920 point where remember I was talking about the Uzbek construction 0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.400 guy that he donated money to, Yeah, that guy also 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.560 paid off like the guy who's going to become mayor 0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.960 when Adams gets arrested, So like the deputy mayor like 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:15.959 also took money for that guy. 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:16.680 Amazing. 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.480 Yeah, so one of the worst parts of this. On 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:25.200 April twenty first, twenty two, the Turkish official messaged the 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.440 Adam Stafford noting that our Median Genocide Remembrance Day was 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:31.640 approaching and repeatedly asking the Adam Stafford for assurances that 0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.440 Adams would not make any statements about their Armedian genocide. 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:35.160 Jesus Christ. 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.759 The Adam Stafford confirmed that Adams did not make a 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.080 statement about the Armenian genocide. 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.160 Adams did not make such a statement New York, not 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:44.520 the Yerevan of America. 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:48.640 Yeah, so he just straight up took money from the 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:52.160 Turkish government. Did genocide's nile for them. Yeah, so that's great, 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.200 that's incredible stuff. 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:54.440 To be fair. 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.560 That is that is a mainstay of current American politics. 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.160 Oh yeah yeah, and it's the best fund of old 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:01.160 genocide denials. 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.600 Yes, yes, Well, this Raganams guy doesn't seem like a 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.640 doesn't seem too good. It is just fascinating to me 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:10.759 that out of all the cities, New York is just 0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:12.880 the one city that you cannot have a normal mayor, 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.560 just like every single mayor is is weird and fucked 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.279 up in like a different way. Like it's just impossible. 0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:18.879 Yeah. 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.400 There was like an onion onion headline on Time that was, 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.960 it's like the mayor de Blasio like, well, well, well 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.880 it's it's not so easy to have a not fucked 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:29.640 up mayor or something. 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:29.879 Yeah. 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.480 I think the exact line was, well, well, well, not 0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.280 so easy to find a mayor he doesn't suck ship down. 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.760 Exactly. The Erganta was one hits so much harder because 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.480 he's like the law and order mayor. Like he's like, 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:46.040 you know, like like former cop blah blah blah. He's 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.520 he's the one making New York worse through all of 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.960 like the fucked up police stuff. Meanwhile, he's just been 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:55.600 doing like major crimes and having his house rated by 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:59.359 the FBI like every other month, also having like his 0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:01.640 friend's house is rated by the FBI having was it 0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.719 like a police chief or a police commissioner who was 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:04.600 just rated. 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:07.400 Yeah, and then the interim police commissioner they put in 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:08.560 often the first one. 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.520 Yeah, it's wild stuff. 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.239 We got to talk about his phone password before we finish. Yeah. 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:16.920 Yeah. So the's why I want to close on is 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.160 like before he goes under, like all of his staffers 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.399 are getting visited by the FBI, and A you could 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.840 tell they're all cops and are dumb at shit because 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:26.480 they all they all agreed to talk to the FBI 0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:28.719 and like lied to this so funny, and then we're 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:32.720 trying to like coordinate destroying the messages which the FBI 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:36.680 got all the data from. On October sixth, twenty twenty three, 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:40.360 FBI agents executed a search warrant for the electronic devices 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.960 used by Eric Adams, a defendant. So Adams was carrying 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.239 several electronic devices, including two cell phones. He was not 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.239 carrying his personal cell phone, which is a device he 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.840 used to communicate about the conduct described in this indictment. 0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:52.960 When Adams produced his personal cell phone the next day 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.960 in response to a subpoena, it was locked, such as 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:59.200 the device required a password to open. Adams claimed that 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:02.799 after he learned the investigation into his contact he learned 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.800 about the investigation, he changed the password the day before 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.400 and increased the complexity of his password from four to 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.800 six digits. Adams had done this, he claimed, to prevent 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:17.080 members of his staff from intently You're intentionally deleting the 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.120 contents of his phone. According to Adams, he wished to 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:23.080 preserve the context of his phone due to the investigation, 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:27.040 But Adams further claimed he'd forgotten the password he just 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:29.480 said and was unable to provide the NBA with the 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:30.879 password that can unlock. 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.320 The phone if they tried his birthday. 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.560 It's the funniest argument. Yeah, yeah, they like, no, no, no, 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.480 I changed. I changed the password so that the information 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.280 was safe and wouldn't be deleted. Also, I forgot the password. 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.400 Okay, so like presumably this is encrypted, right, but like 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.719 I cannot Like, what the fuck is the FBI doing that? 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.520 They can't just break into this phone? 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.560 Like, I mean, some phones are hard to break into, 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:54.240 like it it is it is true. 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.719 Yeah, have struggled with iPhones for what Yes, but this 0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.480 is but this is Eric Adams. 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.240 Yeah yeah, I mean yeah it might. 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.279 Be zero zero zero zero, like they ought to give 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:05.960 it the cat. It's try to be honest. 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.120 Yeah, Like they've got to have some fucking like spook 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.520 from the NSA that they can illegally send this phone 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:11.880 over to. 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.600 Like I'm sure they've tried Celebright. I'm sure they've tried 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.040 a whole bunch of stuff. It just doesn't always work. 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.280 Yeah, Like I don't know it makes you feel wildly 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.440 better about phone security. Oh, by the way, this is 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.920 a message about this public safety announcement. If you use 0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:28.680 a face print or a fingerprint to lock your phone, 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:31.400 the cops can just use your face or your fingerprint 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:32.920 worlock it, or they can get it with a warrant. 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.480 But if it's like an actual number, like they can't 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.520 put a gun to your head and say open it, 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:40.840 which is the way that this would normally sort of work. Yeah, 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:45.319 so yeah, basic security thing. So in all, Adams is 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:49.200 being charged with simultaneously conspiracy to commit wire fraud Federal 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.520 program Brian and to receive campaign contributions by foreign national. 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:53.800 There's a kind of wire fraud. 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:57.840 There's another count of solicitation of a contribution by foreign national. 0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:01.440 There's subsequently, the fourth is the same as a third count. 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.200 It's it's solicitation of a contribution by forig national and 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:09.479 the fifth count is bribery. So he's like probably going down, 0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:10.200 going down. 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.240 He sounds pretty fucked. I mean, it has been interesting 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.880 how much the federal government has been cracking down on 0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:19.360 foreign influence before the selection, both with like tennant media, 0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:23.000 like a Russian foreign influence stuff like this there's been 0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.719 like some of like Jimmy Dore or like orbiters that 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.200 have I know, have have been getting looked into by 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:29.880 the FEDS for like Russian foreign influence. 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:30.320 Dude. 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.720 And this is not a show where we regularly praise 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:37.160 the actions of the fedral government. But it's always funny 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.440 to see my enemies having a hard time. Yeah, And 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.200 I'm pray I'm praying for that Jackson Hinkle one, which 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:46.200 is fea yeah, because it's so it's so obvious, so 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.600 obvious that he's he's absolutely getting paid by some by 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:50.560 some foreign government. 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.040 Yeah, Wonda which one? 0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.279 This one is air to one versus the FBI, which 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.560 I'm just like just chomping down popcorn and clapping like 0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:01.680 a seal watching most hated rifles finding yes. 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:04.520 Yes, destroy each other no matter what happens. 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:05.520 I'm okay with it. 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:06.520 Yeah. 0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:06.840 Wow. 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.040 I will repeat my position here at the end of 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:10.719 the show that I am prepared to vote for Joe 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.759 Biden on the condition that he immediately begins trading Eric 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:19.880 Adams for Abdullajan, who does not belong to jail unlike 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:24.560 Eric Adams. It's free Ajulan week this week, and so yeah, 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:26.560 he shouldn't be in prison. Let him out. 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:28.320 How do you feel about your mayor, Joey? 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.479 You know, it sounds like he's he's broken on some shit. 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:38.439 He's got to figure out if he really wants you know, see. 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:41.120 This is the thing too, is it's like, do I 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:44.279 want to be like, Wow, congrats to the FBI on 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:48.040 this investigation. No, that being said, it is really funny 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.319 to see this all go down. I think also just 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.680 the amount of bullshit that he has done while he's 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:55.640 in office. 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.120 But both legally and over the. 0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:58.799 Table and under the table, and it's kind of funny 0:42:58.840 --> 0:42:59.880 to see like this meet. 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.400 The thing that but takes him down. Yeah. Got other. 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.360 One of my favorite tweets about all this was somebody 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.600 was like, I'm sure Eric Adams all of a sudden 0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:09.360 it's going to be uh really pro a prison reform 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:12.239 all of a sudden, But I. 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:19.000 Hope so, you know that would be a crazy It's like, Alista. 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.879 I'm getting flashbacks person abolition arts. I'm getting flashbacks when 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:25.200 a when a oh god, what's the same the Blasio, Uh, 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:29.319 the governor, the governor, oh my god, former governor. Well 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.279 like what he was having all of the ship come 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.200 out and like the last thing he did in office 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.200 was the legalized weed, and it was like such a 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:38.000 like last ditch, like fine. 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.640 Here, you guys go like you want, like are we 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:41.480 going to get something like that? 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:42.080 Are we gonna get? 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:42.279 Well? 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.080 I guess he tried with the trash cans and people 0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:50.960 rejected that. But uh, it's been an experience. I hope 0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:54.239 for the sake of the city that uh, you know, 0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:57.400 he faces consequences for this and it's never. 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.640 Back in New York politics. But I guess we'll see 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:04.240 what happens. No, I'm not going to cheer on the FBI, 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:08.320 but I am pro cop on cop of violence. That's true, 0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:10.960 and that's true, and that's all this is. That's all 0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:12.280 this is. So that's fine. 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:16.320 I'm pro irony. I'm pro like like you're getting got 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.920 by the same like people your bros. 0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:19.919 Yeah. 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:23.520 I am interested in what the next New York mayoral 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:29.719 election will look like. We're bringing in Lori Lightfoot, let's go, 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:35.399 and the small possibility that, depending on how this next 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:39.080 election goes, we could have a Trump versus Clinton mayoral 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:42.440 race in New York, which I would love to watch. 0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:46.440 Maybe Hillary Clinton will finally make her film about the 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:50.240 Syrian democratic forces she's been promising to make for years. 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:55.000 I want to close on a kind of slightly more 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.400 serious struggles are connected note because the thing about Eric 0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.480 Adams is that he was the guy who was brought 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:03.120 in black cop like very specifically brought in and his 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:07.040 thing was basically to contain the twenty twenty uprising, right 0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:08.759 he was he was the guy whose thing was we're 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.600 bringing in the kind of revolution. We're stomping all of 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.080 this stuff out, like all of the sort of like 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:15.440 gains of anti police stuff that you'd made, all the 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:17.880 sort of ideological games have been made, We're going to 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:19.520 wipe all that out. And I think it is really 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:22.840 significant that the government who is funding him is is 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.720 a Turkish government because if you look at the last cycle, 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:27.840 right when so Eric Adams is starting to do this 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:31.520 in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, what's what's happening in Turkey 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:33.040 in that time is that Turkey have been one of 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:36.440 the big sites of huge uprisings. In twenty thirteen, they 0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:39.360 have one of the biggest, like of that cycle of protests. 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.799 So twenty thirteen is the second of the of the 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.719 waves from like the Occupy twenty eleven waves. Right, there's 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:47.400 a big wave in twenty eleven, and then twenty thirteen 0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:48.640 to the second one. One of the biggest one is 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:52.800 in Turkey. And Turkey's eventual solution to this is basically 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.680 just the wholesale slaughter of the Curtish revolution that was happening. 0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:58.959 And you know, literally in twenty fourteen, at the same 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:01.200 time twenty fourteen twenty at the same time as the 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.239 Michael Brown uprising is going on, and then Baltimore goes up, 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:06.359 right at the same time that's happening, There's like, these 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.680 are these Kurdish uprisings in Turkey, That's where all the 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:12.120 fire bombing happens. Right, These these these things are very, 0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:14.960 very intimately connected. There's a reason why other than just 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:16.879 sort of country his corruption stuff, that these that these 0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:19.480 forces are aligned with each other because the same the 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:21.640 same people behind the American prison state are also the 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:25.920 same people who are fucking backing this Turkish extermination as 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.799 movement against the Kurds. And we're going to either win 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:30.880 our freedom together or we're going to have a thousand 0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:32.400 more fucking Eric Adams. 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.280 Is exactly yeah. 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:36.799 And I mean, I think going back to what I 0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.239 was saying before like the craziest thing about all this, 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:41.400 and like this is definitely something that I've kind of 0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:43.839 had to like step back and be like, all right, 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:49.080 Like I obviously am existing within like a specific community, 0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:50.239 like New York is a huge city. 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:51.239 It's the lowerest city in. 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:55.320 The US, and there's lots of different smaller communities, and 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:57.239 I was like, I feel like everybody that I know 0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:00.279 and everybody I interact with hate Sarah Adams, how like 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.440 their own list of reasons why, like he has done X, 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.200 Y Z thing and they're like whether it's like my 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.400 friends that are teachers or like work for or just 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:14.200 use public libraries that he has like really decided to 0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:18.399 attack and like defund for various reasons, or like friends 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.440 that have had to deal with like the prison system 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.840 or whatever. Or last year, I'd been working on an 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.359 investigative show that was looking into a lot of the 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:29.840 the situation at Rikers, and you know, Rikers is supposed 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.160 to be closed in twenty twenty seven at a RK. 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:36.360 Adams has really tried to push back against that, despite 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.799 the fact that it's like there's a federal invested investigation 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:43.320 into the situation there and it's not like the conditions 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:47.560 are not good. It is an unpopular solution, you know, 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:50.160 like most New Yorkers agree that there needs to be 0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:52.880 some other alternative than rikers and just sending people to 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.439 like literally an island. That being said, like he won 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:58.799 the election. He won his mayoral election it which sort 0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:01.160 of like surprising. He was kind of the underdog. There 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:04.120 were other candidates that I think people had kind of 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.680 been expecting to win. And yeah, he was the law 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.440 and order guy. He was coming in is supposed to 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:12.360 be this like alternative to like the twenty twenty uprising 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:16.919 to what was seen as this like chaos. And again, yeah, 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:20.280 it's the irony of him getting got by its own system, 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.200 getting got by the fact that like he just keeps 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:27.279 doing crimes. He loves doing crimes, favorite thing. And then 0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.719 at the same time, it's like he's caused all this 0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:33.319 damage to like individual like specific programs in the city, 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:37.720 specific systems that were really helping people. He has spread 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:41.560 like misinformation about migrants that have been in New York. 0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:43.960 He has been like there's just a laundry list of 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:47.160 things that he has done that has been like insanely 0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:51.719 harmful for like various reasons. And you know what, if 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:53.120 this is going to be the thing that's gonna got 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:54.360 on at the end of the day. This and Sabrina 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:58.799 Carpenter apparently that also those of you who don't know, 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:02.919 the Sabrina car Feather music video apparently was a big 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:06.400 part of the Eric Adams indictment from kind of the 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.840 more local side involving the church that she was filming 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:13.200 at h and the I'm not sure what his official 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:15.400 position is, but like the priest who had kind of 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:17.200 allowed her to come in and film, and then it 0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:20.239 ended up that he was demoted because if you've listened 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:22.640 to a Sabrina Carpenter song, you can see why the 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:26.480 Catholic Church might not be super excited about that. And 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:30.080 then he decided to cooperate with the investigation since the 0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:32.279 church wasn't super happy with him. 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:34.399 This whole thing is just there's something. 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:37.920 It's like, there's so many aspects of this that are 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:38.760 so crazy. 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:40.640 This is gonna be like that gets him. 0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:44.239 Yeah, Yeah, So someone's gonna do like a thirty part 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.719 podcast series about this something. I'm gonna listen to every 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:47.640 single ex. 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.120 Episode and there's gonna be so much more stuff that's 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:50.680 gonna come out. 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:51.880 That's yeah. 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:54.799 Speaking of podcasts, Joey, do you want to plug your 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:56.440 work for sure? Yeah. 0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:59.560 So, I'm right now producing a show called that We Loved, 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:01.960 which just on Iheart's network. 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:03.880 It's part of our Outspoken Network, which. 0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:08.120 Is our LGBTQ plus kind of focus shows, and you 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:12.080 can find that on Spotify, Apple Music, iHeartMedia, app whatever, 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:15.120 all the places. I also previously had worked on a 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.879 show called Afterlives. If you are interested in learning more 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:22.960 about wrikers and particularly some of the policy that you know, 0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:28.040 Eric Adams himself has worked to either stop. 0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:29.799 From being effective or stop. 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.680 From making the reforms it's supposed to be happening regards 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:34.800 the whole riker situation, you should check out that show. 0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:37.400 Yeah, that's that's where I met. 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:41.200 You can also follow me on Twitter and Instagram at 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:42.040 pat not Pratt. 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.080 That's p A T T n O T p R 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.400 A T T. People get my last. 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:48.040 Name wrong a lot, we'll put them in the description. 0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:49.520 Yeah. 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:51.359 Yeah, Joey, thank you for coming on. 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.759 And fuck I hope I hope we all get rid 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:56.959 of our fucking Beyers because Jesus Christ God. 0:50:57.040 --> 0:50:57.239 Yeah. 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:01.320 Future the Democratic Party Lightbook Airic. 0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:03.319 Adams twenty twenty eight. 0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:07.440 Let's go. 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:28.360 Hello and welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:30.359 about things falling apart and how people work to put 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:33.319 them back together again, because it's the Humpty Dumpty of podcasts, 0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:36.440 except Humpty Dumpty couldn't be put back together in the 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:38.359 end because there was a bunch of state actors who 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:41.000 were trying and really that's not how you usually get 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:44.799 things done. I'm your guest host today, Martyr Kiljoy, and 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:48.080 with me as my regular host today is James Hi. 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:50.120 James Hi, Margaret, thank you for having me on the 0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:51.120 podcast that I work for. 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.799 I'm glad to have you on your podcast. So this 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:58.920 episode is about what I learned about prepping by going 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:02.480 down to western North Carolina in the immediate wake of 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:05.120 the flooding caused by two storms, one of which was 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:09.239 Hurricane Helen. And there's a few things I like an 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:12.560 awful lot. One of them is prepping. Another one of 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.239 them is Ashville, North Carolina, where I lived longer than 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:17.520 I have lived anywhere else in my adult life, which 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.520 isn't actually saying that much because I lived there for 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:21.359 about six years. 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:24.120 But it's a decent amount of time. You know a place. Yeah. 0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:29.240 Before that, I was fully vagabondie. This is a story 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:32.359 about prepping in Asheville, North Carolina, and so I thought 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.920 i'd bring on another it could happen here prepper James. 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.520 Yeah, it's me someone who has been to Ashville, North Carolina. 0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:42.319 But oh yeah, still lives in San Diego. Yeah. Nice, 0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:44.040 nice pace to go outside normally. 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:46.279 Okay, but have you ever heard that song though, like 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:49.120 I've been everywhere man song, I've been everywhere. 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:49.520 Yeah. 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.520 I don't think I'm allowed to sing things on this podcast. 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:51.759 Yeah. 0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:54.280 I started liking that song because like, yeah, I've been everywhere. 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:56.799 That man starts listening where he's been, and I'm like, no, 0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:58.960 I haven't been. I ain't been shit, I have never 0:52:59.000 --> 0:52:59.919 been anywhere in my life. 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:03.080 I've not made it. Yeah. Yeah. It is one of 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:05.640 the nice things about my job that people get to 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:10.440 go places and meet people. Yeah. Yeah, that is fun. 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:14.719 So, as I assume listeners are aware, about two weeks ago, 0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:18.719 Hurricane Helene dumped an enormous quantity of water onto the 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:21.640 mountains of western North Carolina, which would have been bad 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:24.920 no matter what, but another unnamed storm had already been 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:29.960 dropping unconscious able unconscious not good amounts of water on 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.080 the area for a day or so. The two storms 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.080 together caused the worst natural disaster and recorded history for 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.279 the region. The only thing that came close was the 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:41.800 nineteen sixteen flood, which was again like a regular storm, 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:45.319 and then I think a coastal tropical storm hitting at 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.680 the same time. So the way to have everything fail 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:49.640 is to have two storms at once. In case anyone's 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:54.440 curious how to have bad things happen, do two storms anyway. 0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:57.520 I drove down in a vanful of supplies because my 0:53:57.520 --> 0:53:59.480 friends were the eron they needed the supplies more than 0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:02.360 my basement did, and because I had enough cash on 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:03.960 hand to hit up a bunch of stores to get 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:06.520 more stuff to bring to them to I also drove 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.919 down there as a journalist, figuring i'd talk to people 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.160 about mutual aid and about preparedness. This week on my 0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:14.600 own podcast, Cool People Did Cool Stuff, I talk about 0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:17.239 my experiences there, what I saw, with an emphasis on 0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:20.640 the mutual aid side, on the enormous amount of grassroots 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:23.919 and informal disaster response. But this is it could happen here, 0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:27.640 and I wanted to talk about preparedness. I want to 0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:31.200 talk about what worked and what didn't, what lessons we 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:34.799 can draw anywhere we are listening to this from what 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:38.600 people experienced there in Asheville, North Carolina, or at least 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.239 what lessons I was able to pick up on. And 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:42.960 we're going to talk about. 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:45.200 Like stuff and specific things in a second good. 0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:47.719 But first, when I talk about preparedness, which I do 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:50.080 a lot, I talk about how I'm interested in both 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:54.040 the individual and community as two different types of preparedness. 0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:58.200 And I had some hypotheses that these were deeply related 0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:02.120 and reliant on each other in fact, and that you 0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:06.080 do one better by doing the other better. But now 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:09.920 that I've seen those hypotheses tested, I was right. That's 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:11.840 that's my answer. 0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:16.320 It's in fact to approven hypotheses. Yeah exactly. 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.320 I mean, you know, I don't want to run more tests, 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:19.800 but yeah, we probably will. 0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:23.920 Yeah exactly, because we ain't doing shit to stop being alas. No, No, 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:26.960 we're mostly doing things to make it worse. Hm hm cool. 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:31.920 Basically, we need both individual and community preparedness, and we 0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:35.840 should stop seeing them as opposing forces. There might be 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:39.640 no single false dichotomy that has more wrecked our imaginations 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:41.799 than the idea that the individual and the community are 0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:45.600 two opposing forces that they must be balanced against one 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:50.640 another instead of interwoven. Instead of allowing what's best about 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:55.040 both things to reinforce the other. I would argue the 0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:56.440 twentieth century did us dirty? 0:55:57.360 --> 0:55:59.760 The Cold War? Did us dirty? In the US? 0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:01.880 I grew up presented with the idea that the USSR 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:05.279 represented community in that side, and that meant being a 0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:08.480 cog in the machine, devoid of individuality in thrall to 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:12.239 an authoritarian state. If I cared about the individual and 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:15.840 individual freedom and liberty, I had to accept capitalism and 0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:19.799 competition and to see myself in a war against everyone else. 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:21.719 I don't know how you feel. I don't want to 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:23.360 be a cargon machine, and I also don't want to 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:24.959 be in a war against everyone else. 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:27.880 Yeah, this is the This is the sort of false 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:31.160 dichultion media were presented with. It's like I'll tell an 0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:34.120 anecdote here. When I was writing my dissertation, I would 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:37.160 describe my politics as left libertarian, and I would describe 0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:40.160 the politics of the many different types of anarchists in 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:44.560 an arcosyndicalis in Spain similarly, because it accurately describes the perspective, right, 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:50.759 and I was forbidden from doing so. The probably fair 0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:54.120 enough objection that Americans could not comprehend the idea of 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:55.920 libertarianism without individualism. 0:56:56.040 --> 0:57:00.360 Yeah, which is annoying because oh is it Rathbard. Someone 0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:03.440 consciously stole that word from us. You used to not 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.120 have to say left libertarian because if you said libertarian 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:08.160 you meant left libertarian. 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:11.640 Yeah. This was the pre date to Rothbud. It is 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:14.919 something I've written about on my patreon. Wow. But yeah, 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:19.400 libertarian began to be used by French anarchists to avoid 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:23.160 censorship and persecution of anarchists for being anarchists. Yeah, and 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:26.480 then it came to America, where, like many things in America, 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:31.640 it was stolen from its original original creators and custodians 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:35.720 and fucking ruined by chuds. Yeah, which is a shame. 0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:39.400 But yeah, there is in fact an option where you 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:41.400 don't have to pick one or the other. Yeah. 0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:43.520 What is good for me as an individual is to 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.439 be able to express the full range of my possibilities, right, 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:48.880 And I'm more able to do that in a supportive 0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:52.400 community than like alone in the woods somewhere, cut off 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:55.520 from everyone else, chasing rabbits with a hatchet and dying 0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:59.000 of easily preventable infections, Like, it's. 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:00.920 The American dream. Ug, what are you talking about. 0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:03.320 I used to joke that I was going to start 0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:05.640 a YouTube channel called how to Survive alone in the 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:07.520 woods of the hatchet eating squirrels that you kill with 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:09.000 the aforementioned hatchet. 0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:13.800 But unfortunately you died of tetanus before. 0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:18.480 Yeah, exactly. The existence of society makes me more free, 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:20.960 It makes me more capable of doing what I want 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:24.600 to do. I really like I don't remember which old 0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:26.800 theorist came up with it, but I really like the 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:29.960 idea of understanding freedom as a relationship between people, not 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:33.120 a like static state. It is something that we offer 0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:36.120 each other and that we like work to maximize with 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:36.560 each other. 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:40.520 Yeah. On the other side of things, what's good for 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:44.600 communities is not to be rigidly top down controlled, but 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:48.040 instead to allow people free expression, develop new ideas, try 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:51.720 new things, to have communities grow organically. We are not 0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:59.120 actually factory cogs. We do better as a garden. Yeah, 0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:05.520 And that's been my working theory with preparedness. It's been similar. 0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:09.600 On one side, are these deals, these goods and services, 0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:13.840 the ads that interrupt things. Yeah, magnificent, thank you, thank you. 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:27.280 I live to do this. Here's the ads, and we're 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:28.840 back on one side. 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:31.360 I saw preppers as being kind of a primarily an 0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:34.440 individualistic bunch of folks obsessed with what I've called the 0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:37.920 bunker mentality, the hole up and guns and shoot anyone 0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:40.400 who comes to close mentality that I've got, mind fuck 0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:43.280 you mentality you've ever seen on like older prepper Reddit 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:46.520 and stuff like that, where people like kind of get 0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:49.600 sad when they realize they're all planning to shoot each other, 0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:51.680 all their friends after the apocalypse. 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.200 Yeah that like, anyone who's able to has more than 0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:58.120 two weeks of food storges, it's inherently going to kill 0:59:58.160 --> 1:00:00.400 anyone else. Yeah, who has more than two? Yeah, it's 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:02.240 great when they all come around to educationally. 1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:05.920 Yeah, and they're like, wait, but I like this community 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:06.560 I've built. 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:10.360 Yeah, they're also the only friends because they've alienated everyone 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:12.760 else with their weird obsessions. Yeah, fallout. 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:15.760 This is not a good mentality to have. I would 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:17.840 argue it's behind a lot of what's happening on the 1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:20.800 border right now. Actually, I think that the right wing 1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:23.960 actually does believe in climate change and is not willing 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:25.840 to just say it publicly because it doesn't play to 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.680 their base. But they they're like, we've got ours, fuck you, 1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:30.840 and want to close down the borders as best as 1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:31.959 they can in the global North. 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:35.840 Yeah, and we'll move the borders as far from your 1:00:36.000 --> 1:00:38.840 eyesight as possible. That's what I saw in Panama was 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:41.120 oh yeah, listeners will know I was in the daddy 1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:44.040 and gap. But like Panama without funding you and me, 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:47.000 Margaret Home, we pay our taxes, we pay for families 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:49.840 to be split out. Hell yeah, deportations to happen, fences 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:53.760 to be built in Panama because that makes it further 1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:56.560 from our site and from our mind. Right. That's what 1:00:56.600 --> 1:00:57.919 liberty means. Yep. 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:03.120 Liberty is the ability to interfere in other countries' families. 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:07.680 Yeap, domestic politics in other countries by fire hose of money. 1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:09.920 I mean, it's funny because it's the same like justification. 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:11.960 Every now and then you meet the people who genuinely 1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:17.680 think Russia is like allowed to invade Ukraine because border 1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:20.720 security because Ukraine's too close to it. 1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:28.280 You're like, amazing, Yeah, Ukraine bad, therefore fuck it. Why not? 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.040 Like it's yeah, yeah, it's like the Monroe doctrine. But 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:34.280 for Russia, like this is my hemisphere. Don't fuck with me. 1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:38.640 Yeah, burn down your neighbor's house because you're just like, nah, 1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:40.000 you're living too close to me. 1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:45.720 Don't like it. Yeah, senior yard sign. They've got one 1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:48.720 of those in this house signs. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:51.080 which they've all taken down now because it's no human 1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:54.400 beings legal and they no longer believe that. Yeah. 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:55.040 Cool. 1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:58.520 Well, I would argue this is a fundamentally right wing 1:01:58.600 --> 1:02:03.600 individualistic mentality, whether it's coming from ostensibly left as tankies 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:08.360 or ostensibly center left Democrats, or they admit their right 1:02:08.400 --> 1:02:13.080 wing individualistic preppers. Yeah, And this was dominant in prepping 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:15.640 circles before around twenty twenty, when an awful lot more 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:18.720 people with different ideas came into the space. But the 1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:23.280 older school preppers focused on individual preparedness or family level 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:27.960 household level preparedness, and they have an awful lot of 1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:31.360 really good ideas around some of these things, around storing 1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:35.160 food and water, around maintaining communications, around all sorts of 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:38.360 things to help the individual or family during crisis to 1:02:38.360 --> 1:02:42.520 be prepared. On the other end of things, there are 1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:46.360 mutual aid groups and other community organizations that do community preparedness. 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:52.440 They build organizational communication and logistical networks, and they're fantastic 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:55.880 and their overall what's been left out of preparedness conversations, 1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:59.520 but until more recently I haven't seen as many of 1:02:59.560 --> 1:03:01.919 those places is the people who are doing those things 1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:05.200 also concerned themselves with individual preparedness. 1:03:05.440 --> 1:03:05.640 You know. 1:03:06.560 --> 1:03:09.800 Yeah, I've been operating under the assumption for years that 1:03:09.800 --> 1:03:12.520 the two can work really well in tandem with each other. 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:15.920 If you are self sufficient, you're in a better place 1:03:15.920 --> 1:03:18.959 to help others. That was my hypothesis. This is really 1:03:19.000 --> 1:03:21.640 just the Margaret was Right episode of it could happen. 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:25.439 Here, the victory lap Yeah. 1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:28.000 Oh wait, it's a victory wrap around bodies. I don't 1:03:28.080 --> 1:03:32.919 like it anymore. Well, it's people who did do these 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:36.640 things getting to have not thrived but did not died. 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:37.960 I don't know how to say this. 1:03:38.040 --> 1:03:42.160 It's a tricky subject getting credit for being right and 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:42.959 putting in the work. 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:44.960 Yeah, and a lot of people were and a lot 1:03:45.000 --> 1:03:48.800 of people had done that, and it showed really well in. 1:03:48.760 --> 1:03:51.040 The disaster response in Ashville, because. 1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:52.800 When I went down to Ashville, one of the things 1:03:52.800 --> 1:03:54.600 that I asked most of the people I talked to 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:58.280 is what they prepared, what they wished they'd prepared, and 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:01.400 what lessons they were taking away from all this about preparedness. 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:03.880 And one of my friends is old Punk, and he 1:04:03.920 --> 1:04:06.320 was one of the first old He's like my age whatever, 1:04:07.360 --> 1:04:08.560 it might be a few years older than me. 1:04:08.640 --> 1:04:12.400 I don't know. Margaret crushed by moment of reflection live 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:13.080 on Podcasts. 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:18.919 Yeah, I'm jealous because I don't have enough gray hair. 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:20.640 They keep falling out of my head. 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:23.560 But one of my friends who does have very nice 1:04:23.560 --> 1:04:26.439 gray hair, Old Punk, is one of the first people 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:27.040 who was out. 1:04:26.880 --> 1:04:28.520 On the street cooking food to give away. 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:31.200 He told me that he was able to do that 1:04:31.840 --> 1:04:35.600 because he knew he was fine by and large during 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:38.360 this particular crisis. Every crisis is going to be real 1:04:38.400 --> 1:04:41.560 different if your house wasn't in the actual floodplain, and 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:43.840 since it was in the mountains, that was not most houses. Instead, 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:46.680 it was like most roads and some houses. You know, Yeah, 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:49.520 the big problems you were dealing with was lack of food, 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:52.080 lack of water, lack of cell service. And he had 1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:54.720 plenty of water and food stored, and at one point 1:04:54.800 --> 1:04:56.520 someone had even kind of come up to him, been 1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:58.600 like are you no, You're fine, aren't you? And he 1:04:58.640 --> 1:05:02.560 was like, yeah, no, I'm fine. 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:06.080 So just being like getting off prepared vibes, I guess yeah, No. 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:07.000 I was real proud. 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:09.400 Like once I was doing this community defense thing and 1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:12.200 we were like, oh, we need a flashlight. Does anyone hey, Margaret, 1:05:12.240 --> 1:05:13.720 you're a flashlight right, And I was like, yeah, with. 1:05:13.720 --> 1:05:18.000 Any want Yeah, being the flashlight person, Yeah, it's a 1:05:18.120 --> 1:05:21.400 huge win the moment you get to deploy that flashlight 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:23.080 you've been toting around. Yeah. 1:05:23.120 --> 1:05:25.600 Well, And that's actually part of my like core argument 1:05:25.600 --> 1:05:27.600 that I make in the other podcasts I recorded today 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:30.400 that's going to come out some sign around now, is 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:33.520 that like people want to help people. Oh yeah, like 1:05:33.720 --> 1:05:37.360 the average pickup truck guy. We even kind of see. 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:40.200 I mean, I'm a pickup truck girl, but like we 1:05:40.320 --> 1:05:43.560 see the average pickup truck guy is the like, ah, 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:48.520 good out of my way, limberal, guns, dogs, whatever, you know. 1:05:49.160 --> 1:05:50.760 And I like pickup trucks and guns and dogs and 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:51.520 as I don't really like. 1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:54.760 But one of the main things you want to make 1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:57.360 a man with a pickup truck happy. Get your car 1:05:57.440 --> 1:05:58.320 stuck in a ditch. 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:02.040 Oh yeah, there are a whole groups where people love 1:06:02.120 --> 1:06:05.040 to pull other people out of stupid situations they've got 1:06:05.080 --> 1:06:07.600 themselves into off road. Yeah it is fun for them. 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:10.520 Yeah, Like because then the fact that you've been doing 1:06:10.560 --> 1:06:13.440 this thing had a purpose. I carry a flashlight and 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:15.720 a knife every single moment in my life, So when 1:06:15.760 --> 1:06:19.040 someone needs a flashlight or a knife, I'm like, oh, yeah, 1:06:19.160 --> 1:06:23.280 I am fucking the reincarnation of the goddess. Like, no 1:06:23.320 --> 1:06:26.320 one is better than me. Yeah, you're the all powerful 1:06:26.360 --> 1:06:26.920 light carrier. 1:06:27.000 --> 1:06:30.640 Yeah, exactly exactly when all other lights go out for me, 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:33.120 it's the moment I get to deploy. Like obviously this 1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:35.200 has been an audio podcast, but I have a leatherman 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:37.720 that I like to carry around. Yeah, like where someone 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:41.280 needs pliers or wire cutting, you have that capability. 1:06:41.440 --> 1:06:44.880 Yeah, you're just like Chad, You're a superhero, You're a mutant, 1:06:45.000 --> 1:06:47.200 you know. Like yeah, so yeah, this friend of mine 1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:49.680 had plenty of water and food stored, and you can 1:06:49.760 --> 1:06:51.640 usually go a couple of days without communication if you 1:06:51.680 --> 1:06:53.440 don't have any immediate crisis, right. 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:53.760 Yeah. 1:06:54.120 --> 1:06:56.240 He told me that what most people did or needed 1:06:56.280 --> 1:06:58.240 to do, was first they needed to make sure to 1:06:58.280 --> 1:07:00.560 meet their own needs, you know, like thele to fix 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:03.880 your own oxygen mask before helping your seat mate. So 1:07:04.440 --> 1:07:07.000 it was the people who were the most resilient, the 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:10.840 most prepared, who were out driving around in their trucks 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:14.440 or cars whatever, giving away food, or were working to 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:18.560 coordinate meetings most immediately. And the other part of it 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:21.880 was that people who had community preparedness skills were also 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:25.120 among the first people getting stuff done on the ground 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:30.600 because mutual aid it's organic, and it's chaotic and it's spontaneous, right, 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:35.800 but it is organized. It is a developed skill about 1:07:35.840 --> 1:07:40.200 how to organically organize. The more people who were experienced 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:44.120 with chaotic, decentralized organizing, the better a community was able 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:46.680 to weather the immediate aftermath of the storm because people 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:49.000 knew how to set up distribution hubs and connect people 1:07:49.520 --> 1:07:53.040 and so basically like a solid church or an anarchist group, 1:07:53.160 --> 1:07:56.600 and your rural town was in a much better spot. Yeah, 1:07:56.640 --> 1:07:58.800 that makes sense, And this is one of the main 1:07:58.840 --> 1:08:01.160 places in the country where you're going to find entire 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:05.840 anarchist groups in random rural small towns. Having been one 1:08:05.840 --> 1:08:07.880 of those people in one of those small towns, I 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:10.040 keep saying I lived in Nashville, I lived in Sandy Mush. 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:12.959 Where Sandy Mush is. I don't bother saying it because 1:08:12.960 --> 1:08:15.680 no one knows where it is. Hell of a name 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:19.160 though I know it's almost British and it's weirdness. I 1:08:19.240 --> 1:08:21.600 was like two fem for baseball caps back then, and 1:08:21.640 --> 1:08:23.960 all my landmates were the Cama baseball caps from the 1:08:24.000 --> 1:08:25.480 local store that says Sandy. 1:08:25.240 --> 1:08:26.080 Mush, you know. 1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:28.919 And I'm really sad that I didn't get one, especially 1:08:28.960 --> 1:08:30.800 now because now I have one and I'm wearing it 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:33.200 now that has the name of the town I live in. 1:08:33.439 --> 1:08:38.160 But I can't wear it anywhere because it doses me. 1:08:39.200 --> 1:08:39.400 Ah. 1:08:39.479 --> 1:08:40.880 Yeah, see that's a fun yea. If you had a 1:08:40.920 --> 1:08:43.640 Sandy Mush one, you'd be Yeah. Someone send Margaret a 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:47.479 baseball cap, yeah, from Sandy Mush, Yeah with Camma. 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:47.880 Yeah. 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:49.800 Oh, I probably won't wear it otherwise I'll be real 1:08:50.160 --> 1:08:52.280 because I still got to be fem and somehow that 1:08:52.479 --> 1:08:56.920 is how things work in my subculture. So you need 1:08:57.000 --> 1:09:00.479 individual preparedness so that you're free enough to help people, 1:09:00.520 --> 1:09:02.160 and you need community preparedness so you. 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:02.720 Know what to do. 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:05.200 And then you also have all of these people with 1:09:05.320 --> 1:09:08.840 really specialized skills and tools and these are the kinds 1:09:08.880 --> 1:09:10.800 of things that I can't say that every prepper needs 1:09:10.800 --> 1:09:13.439 to go out and do. But like ATVs have been 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:16.599 crucial to disaster relief efforts, that doesn't mean that everyone 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:18.880 should run out and buy an ATV to keep around 1:09:18.880 --> 1:09:21.120 in the case of flooding. This is a note for 1:09:21.200 --> 1:09:24.439 me because I don't quite live on enough land to 1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:27.760 justify an ATV, and I really want one. 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:31.320 But yeah, scared one of those little ones. Yeah, there's 1:09:31.560 --> 1:09:32.360 little children ones. 1:09:32.560 --> 1:09:32.720 I know. 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:34.120 I'm just a drive around a circle. 1:09:34.120 --> 1:09:36.000 I'd like mostly live in the woods and so there's 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:38.360 like just not a lot of ATVs. Are great when 1:09:38.360 --> 1:09:41.679 you got like twelve acres with horses on them, you know. 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:43.840 Yeah you're going out, you can get a sheep dog 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:46.200 on the back. Very practical for that kind of thing. Yeah, 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:47.120 rifle case. 1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:51.200 But that said, A dirt bike friend of mine, who 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:54.320 was a quite prepared person, immediately went out and spent 1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:56.439 days going into hard to reach areas to connect with 1:09:56.439 --> 1:09:58.760 people and bring them supplies. Yeah, so maybe I can. 1:09:58.720 --> 1:10:01.599 Just fight a dirt bike. Yeah, dirt bike, E bike, 1:10:02.040 --> 1:10:05.120 E dirt bike. Then you can run off solar power, 1:10:05.439 --> 1:10:07.760 don't need gas, store it sideways. 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:10.040 Okay, we're gonna talk about electronics versus gas later in 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:10.479 the episode. 1:10:10.520 --> 1:10:12.679 I got a whole part about it. Yeaheah, okay, good. 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.640 But first, what we really need for the apocalypse is 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:19.320 whatever comes next in the ads. That is what will 1:10:19.320 --> 1:10:21.680 save you in the apocalypse. If it's a podcast, yeap 1:10:21.840 --> 1:10:23.759 that is the podcast that will give you the secret 1:10:23.840 --> 1:10:24.879 to surviving the apocalypse. 1:10:25.080 --> 1:10:27.720 Hopefully it's the Reagan gold coins, which will become the 1:10:27.760 --> 1:10:31.000 currency as soon as the state collapses. I bet it's gambling, 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:34.360 and if you go gamble, you're guaranteed to win. That's 1:10:34.400 --> 1:10:37.559 how I think we legally cannot say that. Oh well 1:10:37.600 --> 1:10:40.920 then yeah, yeah, I wonder if we can get away 1:10:40.920 --> 1:10:43.160 with saying don't gamble, it's a bad idea. Yeah. No, 1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:45.639 I think we actually can't say that. Okay, great, don't 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:47.040 gamble it's a bad idea. 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:58.160 Yeah. 1:10:58.200 --> 1:11:03.559 And Rebecca, the we're all lesson was that some stuff 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:05.280 is and was useful for everyone to have. 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:06.439 We're going to talk about some of. 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:09.479 That stuff, while other certain specialized tools and skill sets 1:11:09.479 --> 1:11:12.360 only made sense for some people to have. Not everyone 1:11:12.400 --> 1:11:14.400 needs to know how to repair a chainsaw or even 1:11:14.479 --> 1:11:16.840 own a chainsaw, but it sure proved to be a 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:22.280 handy skill in this particular crisis. Ashville is easily an 1:11:22.320 --> 1:11:24.479 image of the climate crisis future. I think you and 1:11:24.560 --> 1:11:27.439 Robert got into that in the episode you did about this. 1:11:27.920 --> 1:11:30.720 Yeah, we spoke a little bit about how like this 1:11:30.840 --> 1:11:32.679 is a vision it was coming from a lot of us. 1:11:32.840 --> 1:11:36.280 Yeah, I'm basically doing a like me too. I couldn't 1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:39.280 be on the call because I was busy. That's what 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:40.080 this episode is. 1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:42.120 No, we Robert and I have not been there. My 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:44.280 house was when I was younger, but yeah, we were 1:11:44.320 --> 1:11:45.120 not at this time. 1:11:45.520 --> 1:11:48.519 Ashville is not okay. It is a somewhat remote part 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:51.360 of the country in terms of its raw geography. You're 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:54.400 not getting into that city without taking steep, curving freeways 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:58.360 or flying into a regional airport. But culturally, and because 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:01.160 of the level of infrastructure the United States provides, it 1:12:01.280 --> 1:12:03.599 is not an isolated city. It is a very much 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:05.720 a modern and hip city with about I think one 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:08.200 hundred thousand people had I think about eighty thousand when 1:12:08.200 --> 1:12:10.160 I left a couple of years ago, but it's been growing. Yeah, 1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:12.880 partly because lots of Silicon Valley folks moved there to 1:12:12.920 --> 1:12:15.400 work remote much to the sorrow of locals. 1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:17.479 Like everywhere else a people moved, I know. 1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:20.000 And then I'm also like I work remote and lived 1:12:20.600 --> 1:12:22.200 I actually can't throw the stones here. 1:12:22.640 --> 1:12:26.640 Yeah, I have lived here since I didn't work remote. Yeah, 1:12:27.280 --> 1:12:30.040 fair enough. I'll take my stern throwing opportunity. 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:35.320 Asheville is a very climate stable area. All of Appalachia is, 1:12:35.760 --> 1:12:37.840 and it's nowhere near the coast. There's not a lot 1:12:37.840 --> 1:12:40.639 of earthquakes. There are far fewer forest fires than there 1:12:40.640 --> 1:12:42.640 are out west. There were some forest fires that were 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:44.280 there one of the years that I lived there, but 1:12:44.400 --> 1:12:47.000 you know, they didn't. It didn't impact my life the 1:12:47.040 --> 1:12:48.960 way it impacts my friends' lives. 1:12:48.800 --> 1:12:49.479 To live out west. 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:53.920 Yeah, there are industrial accidents and there's occasional flooding, but 1:12:54.000 --> 1:12:56.479 no one had any reason to expect anything like this, 1:12:56.920 --> 1:12:59.840 except that all of us have every reason to exp 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:04.040 something like this. Areas hit more regularly by climate disasters 1:13:04.040 --> 1:13:07.120 have protocols in place for those sorts of things. People 1:13:07.120 --> 1:13:10.479 in California pay attention to the fires during that fire season. 1:13:11.240 --> 1:13:15.080 People on the Gulf Coast track the hurricanes. And not 1:13:15.160 --> 1:13:19.960 that these disasters aren't disastrous, but they're expected. They're part 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:24.240 of living where you live Ashville. What happened there could 1:13:24.240 --> 1:13:27.000 be any of us at any time, So what was 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:29.040 useful for them for prepping seems like it might be 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:31.600 really useful for all of us. And most of that, 1:13:32.240 --> 1:13:35.880 most of what was useful is the basics. People I 1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:39.559 talked to were either real happy that they stored water 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:43.680 or real sad that they hadn't stored water. With the 1:13:43.760 --> 1:13:47.080 storm coming, people filled up their bath tubs. One friend 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:49.400 cut the down spouts on his house to direct them 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:53.280 into trash cans, and now a week later, they still 1:13:53.320 --> 1:13:53.959 have water. 1:13:53.760 --> 1:13:55.960 To flush the toilet. Yeah. 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:58.000 And you know, if you're like super ahead of it, 1:13:58.040 --> 1:14:00.000 you've got your little rain collectors all the time, right, 1:14:00.160 --> 1:14:03.320 but yeah, worst case scenario, cut your down spout and 1:14:03.360 --> 1:14:06.439 throw a trash can there, yep, or anything else that's 1:14:06.600 --> 1:14:09.679 food safe. Yeah, well, in this case is mostly water flushing. 1:14:10.000 --> 1:14:10.439 Oh yeah. 1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:10.680 Yeah. 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:12.880 But it's funny just as you mentioned this, Like I 1:14:12.960 --> 1:14:15.679 was in the village I stayed in last week didn't 1:14:15.720 --> 1:14:18.800 have rain water electricity, and that's exactly what they did. 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:21.720 They had a person I stayed with had like a 1:14:21.760 --> 1:14:23.840 normal toilet, but they don't have plumbed in water, so 1:14:23.880 --> 1:14:26.000 they just collect rainwater and use that every time they 1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:27.800 want to flush it. Yeah, every time. 1:14:27.840 --> 1:14:29.719 I've lived off gread and dot a busy access running 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:30.880 water instead of bucket flushing. 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:34.680 I'm shit in a bucket with sawdust. Yeah yeah, they 1:14:35.080 --> 1:14:38.000 I think, like there's a hole underneath. I'm interesting, but 1:14:38.080 --> 1:14:39.360 you have to flush it to get it in. I 1:14:39.400 --> 1:14:43.000 think this was like a status upgrade to have the 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:46.080 physical toilet. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, that actually makes a 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:47.480 lot of sense. Yeah. 1:14:47.520 --> 1:14:50.519 Some of the first water distribution centers that came online 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:53.840 after the storm in Ashville didn't have water containers, and 1:14:53.880 --> 1:14:56.280 this is actually still the case as of recording, so 1:14:56.360 --> 1:14:59.960 people had to bring their own. One friend only had 1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:02.439 those big clear water drugs, the kind that you put 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:04.840 into like a water cooler and like get refilled at 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:08.479 the grocery store, you know. Yeah, and these don't have 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:11.639 good caps and you can't really bicycle with them while 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:12.160 they're full. 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:14.920 I've bicycled with one when it was full. But yeah, okay, 1:15:15.000 --> 1:15:17.680 it's not a fun, not a fun. This is where 1:15:17.680 --> 1:15:20.200 you need a long tail cargo bike, the ultimate prep 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:24.639 of vehicle. Fair enough, I would argue, Jerry cans, that's 1:15:24.680 --> 1:15:26.960 my pitch instead of yeah, yeah, you can also get 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:31.400 jerry kNs or like the like big opaque water jugs 1:15:31.400 --> 1:15:34.599 for storing water. But yeah, or even bags, what are 1:15:34.640 --> 1:15:38.040 bags like the like MSI drown bags? Okay, ifew says before, 1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:40.120 there's a pretty robust I've only seen little ones that 1:15:40.120 --> 1:15:42.479 it makes sense of those big ones too. Yeah, big 1:15:42.520 --> 1:15:44.839 ones expedition stuff. 1:15:45.000 --> 1:15:47.519 I would argue that if you're thinking about getting the stuff, 1:15:47.560 --> 1:15:50.200 opaque water containers with good lids are more useful than 1:15:50.240 --> 1:15:52.280 the blue clear ones. But if you have access to 1:15:52.320 --> 1:15:54.639 the blue clear ones and that's what you got, go 1:15:54.640 --> 1:15:55.080 get them. 1:15:55.400 --> 1:15:55.519 Yea. 1:15:56.400 --> 1:16:00.760 And many people lacked any containers at all, so the 1:16:00.800 --> 1:16:03.519 water distribution site was not as directly useful as it 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:04.400 could have otherwise been. 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:05.160 That's tough. 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:08.800 One friend during the storm pulled out all the recycling 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:10.720 and filled every jug with water and put it in 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:13.400 the fridge, which did two things. One it gave you 1:16:13.520 --> 1:16:16.880 slightly orange tasting water to drink for a while, and 1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:20.360 two it added thermal mass to keep the fridge cool longer. 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:23.280 And of course, you know story, more water always good. 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:23.760 Yeah. 1:16:24.400 --> 1:16:27.120 For the most part, most water people had access to 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:30.240 had a boil advisory on it before it went out completely. 1:16:30.880 --> 1:16:32.880 Oh you're a water filter expert. I want to talk 1:16:32.880 --> 1:16:33.280 to you about this. 1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:35.360 I was about to fucking dive into that shit. I 1:16:35.520 --> 1:16:37.080 was so I was ready to go. Okay, hold on, 1:16:37.240 --> 1:16:37.559 all right. 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:41.280 Yeah, floodwater itself is generally an awe, or at least 1:16:41.280 --> 1:16:44.160 it is in this case too toxic to use a 1:16:44.200 --> 1:16:48.160 simple filter or boil at home. Things like pesticides are 1:16:48.200 --> 1:16:51.240 incredibly hard to get out of water. Yeah, and lightweight 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:53.800 backpacking type filters, which overall are what I recommend for 1:16:53.880 --> 1:16:57.559 most things like sawyers and life straws. They don't really 1:16:57.960 --> 1:17:00.000 cut it as from what I understand. From what I understand, 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:06.559 and the two methods that can work are the like 1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:11.280 fairly slow and like intense charcoal filters, activated charcoal filters, 1:17:11.840 --> 1:17:16.120 and then in home style reverse osmosis filters, which normally 1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:18.360 I don't like, but for this it seems like they might. 1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:20.920 Yeah, you have enough power for an arrow filter. Yeah, 1:17:20.960 --> 1:17:22.720 it's a nice touch. Also, if you get one, then 1:17:22.760 --> 1:17:25.400 your home appliance did if you'd have in a hard 1:17:25.439 --> 1:17:27.400 water area, which is a lot of the West, won't 1:17:27.400 --> 1:17:30.240 get fucked up by the classification so much. 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:32.320 Oh that makes sense. I use a water softener AM 1:17:32.360 --> 1:17:37.679 I well, similar approach, but I like reverse osmosis seems 1:17:37.720 --> 1:17:40.120 like it has some advantages. Maybe I never like reverse 1:17:40.120 --> 1:17:41.960 osmosis because when I first was looking into it, I 1:17:41.960 --> 1:17:44.720 lived off grid and reverse osmosis creates a lot of 1:17:44.800 --> 1:17:45.519 waste water. 1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:48.400 Yeah, and I was just like, all of this water 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:52.000 was hard to come by. Fuck that. There are some 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:56.600 filters that have an activated charchole element, specifically the pesticide 1:17:56.680 --> 1:18:00.479 runoff and like industrial guitaminates is something I have been 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:02.160 really worried about in a couple of places I've been 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:05.519 for work. You know. Actually I was somewhat concerned about 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:07.719 that on a recent trip, the one, the one in Panama. 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:10.920 But it's not so much pesticides. There's human waste and 1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:15.240 decaying human remains, which is pretty rough. But in the 1:18:15.320 --> 1:18:17.120 end my that was a big concern for we went there. 1:18:17.920 --> 1:18:20.920 The MSI Guardian I think has an activated charkhole element, 1:18:21.080 --> 1:18:23.960 and so does the camelback in line filter. Oh interest 1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:26.880 kind of a small one. Yeah, that And what's really 1:18:26.880 --> 1:18:29.080 cool about that is a lot of them you can't 1:18:29.520 --> 1:18:33.200 replace because the activated charcol is you can't backflush it 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:35.160 in the same way that you can BackFlash a filter, 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:39.040 right Camelback will sell you just the actual activated charkhole 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:42.080 element that you can then replace. I've got a few 1:18:42.080 --> 1:18:45.200 of them in a cupboard behind. Yeah, but that would 1:18:45.200 --> 1:18:47.320 be what to look for if you're but yeah, don't 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:50.840 be just boiling it or just filtering it. And those 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:54.559 are for like something like a soayer. They're great for rainwater. 1:18:55.240 --> 1:18:58.280 But if you're filtering water, you wann't a fast flowing 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:02.640 clear not a herbid or a stagnant water source or 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:06.080 industrially bllluted water source. A fast flowing clear mountain stream great, 1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:10.960 but like turbid, stagnant water with industrial pollutants not so good. 1:19:11.240 --> 1:19:11.840 That makes sense. 1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:14.920 And so if you're listening as a Nashville or elsewhere, 1:19:15.360 --> 1:19:16.840 I'm like, I'm trying to think of what I'm like. 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:20.320 I'll probably I have some activated charcoal stuff, but I 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:22.600 don't like it as much because I don't like I 1:19:22.640 --> 1:19:23.840 don't like disposable things. 1:19:24.080 --> 1:19:26.760 I'm like, yeah, but I yeah, things that you can 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:27.760 reuse or always better. 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:31.519 Yeah, but for certain threat models, especially if you don't 1:19:31.520 --> 1:19:32.960 have the power for reversus messus. 1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:36.599 Yeah, and it's not that expensive. Yeah, the MSR ones 1:19:36.640 --> 1:19:39.640 actually the that's what the US military issues to some 1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:43.680 of it's like I guess more special people sottimes. They 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:46.680 pop up on the surplus market, pretty cheap, okay, and 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:48.640 they have a bomber warranty. You could trash it and 1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:49.360 they'll replace it. 1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:51.080 Oh hell yeah, I like that. A lot of outdoors 1:19:51.120 --> 1:19:53.400 gear is like pretty like they'll stand by their product. 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:54.599 Yeah I would. 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:57.160 I keep wanting trying to pitch his story Italy, but yeah, 1:19:57.200 --> 1:20:00.160 like I have an MSR quilt. This is not like 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:02.680 an MSR sponsored episode, but I've used that shit on 1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:06.000 It's a very small, very light with like an ultralight quill. 1:20:06.040 --> 1:20:08.360 I've used I think literally on almost every continent in 1:20:08.360 --> 1:20:13.040 the world. Well, and just through like it's down and 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:18.479 through like my body's greasiness, my inherent oiliness gradually down 1:20:18.600 --> 1:20:19.920 even if you take really good care of it, right, 1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:22.240 the down gets packed in and there. Yeah, I had 1:20:22.280 --> 1:20:25.000 it for probably six years. I was like, fuck it, 1:20:25.040 --> 1:20:26.680 this isn't working anymore. Let me see if they'll do 1:20:26.680 --> 1:20:28.360 me a discount of a new one, put in a 1:20:28.400 --> 1:20:30.240 warranty claim, send it back to them. Okay, here's a 1:20:30.240 --> 1:20:31.840 new one. Just just sent me one. 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:35.639 That's cool. Yeah, yeah, no, I like that more outdoor stuff. 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:38.400 I like people who stand by the shit they do. 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:41.880 Yeah, and they also fixed stuff, which is cool, Like 1:20:42.240 --> 1:20:44.599 I like that, and they will ship you the part 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:47.120 to fix it well, which is I feel less wasteful 1:20:47.120 --> 1:20:52.960 when that happens. Yeah. So with food, this one's real simple. 1:20:53.520 --> 1:20:56.360 People are either glad they stockpiled food or they were 1:20:56.439 --> 1:21:00.680 sad that they hadn't a stockpiled food. Yeah, that's an 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:01.320 easy one. 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:03.920 One friend immediately took about half a stash of freeze 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:08.160 dried foods to distribute out to friends and strangers. Most 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:10.320 people I talked to did not have any real amount 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:13.160 of backup power available to them. On any given street, 1:21:13.200 --> 1:21:15.799 I would pass only a few houses with generators running, 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:19.360 which also, of course, takes gas or propane. Propane has 1:21:19.360 --> 1:21:23.240 the advantage of storing indefinitely, it has the disadvantage of 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:25.960 being substantially more expensive per like kill abot hour or 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:26.719 whatever of power. 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:30.000 M h yeah, probably more bulky too to store right, 1:21:30.120 --> 1:21:32.040 like per energy unit totally. 1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:34.240 When I was off grid, I used a dual fuel 1:21:34.240 --> 1:21:35.600 gener I actually I took it down and I no 1:21:35.680 --> 1:21:36.840 longer have the generator and gave. 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:37.360 It to some folks. 1:21:37.400 --> 1:21:41.439 But I had a gas propane generator, and I ran 1:21:41.479 --> 1:21:44.599 it off of propane because it also is like cleaner 1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:45.200 on the engines. 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:46.559 You have to do less maintenance. 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:49.280 Yeah, but you know, if I needed it all the time, 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:50.680 it was a backup to my solar. If I had 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:51.880 to run it all the time, I would have used 1:21:51.920 --> 1:21:56.800 gas because it Yeah. Anyway, I talked with one homeowner 1:21:57.000 --> 1:21:59.479 with solar on his roof about how he hadn't sprung 1:21:59.520 --> 1:22:02.479 for the house battery because after all, power in the 1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:03.639 area never really went out for. 1:22:03.600 --> 1:22:05.080 More than a day at a time, right. 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:09.679 Yeah, I personally delivered two solar generators, which just means 1:22:09.680 --> 1:22:12.360 like big ol' lithium batteries with inputs and outputs built in, 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:17.439 And those would be my personal primary recommendation for people 1:22:17.439 --> 1:22:20.400 who want to run lights and charge phones and things. 1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:22.920 Like that during power outages for a while. 1:22:23.160 --> 1:22:27.040 Yeah, while gas or propane generators more useful for keeping 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:29.240 heavy duty appliances going like fridges. 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:30.400 Yeah. 1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:33.000 I also passed out a couple different like portable or 1:22:33.120 --> 1:22:36.600 luggable solar panel setups that can charge phones or other devices. 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:39.600 And there were some mutual aid folks going around and 1:22:39.600 --> 1:22:42.280 helping people with their solar setups. But overall, I didn't 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:43.959 see as much of it as I expected. 1:22:44.040 --> 1:22:45.519 I expected to show up and they'll just be like 1:22:45.560 --> 1:22:48.000 outside the mutual aid stations, a big old foldable solar 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:51.479 panel with a power brick. I think fewer people had 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:52.000 that the night. 1:22:52.240 --> 1:22:52.479 Wow. 1:22:52.600 --> 1:22:54.960 So what are you doing to go buy? 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:55.160 Oh? 1:22:55.280 --> 1:22:59.200 Right, because money is hard to come by, that's the reason. Yeah, 1:22:59.320 --> 1:23:02.559 you haven't made them self save a little bit, uh 1:23:02.640 --> 1:23:05.479 that way, but be careful with big blocks of cells 1:23:05.520 --> 1:23:05.840 and shit. 1:23:06.040 --> 1:23:09.120 Yeah, And like I'm always trying to price out the 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:12.400 difference between like I build my own solar setups. Yeah, 1:23:12.439 --> 1:23:15.639 but I also like just get these solar generators. Sometimes, 1:23:16.080 --> 1:23:18.519 until you're looking at like big systems, the price difference 1:23:18.560 --> 1:23:20.000 is not as dramatic as you want, you. 1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:22.000 Know, because yeah, actually putting in a lot of time 1:23:22.400 --> 1:23:23.000 and or. 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:25.639 Even like an inverter costs a fair amount of money. 1:23:25.680 --> 1:23:28.280 And so if you're building a big system, the inverter 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:30.519 is like worth the expense, right, But if it's a 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:32.920 little system, the little thing that has a built an 1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:34.800 inverter and be cheaper, right. 1:23:34.880 --> 1:23:35.120 Yeah. 1:23:35.280 --> 1:23:39.240 And like the charge controller edge controller, Yeah, I was 1:23:39.280 --> 1:23:42.280 recently building one out for leaving out for migrants. Yeah, 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:44.479 or having in the bed of my truck so when 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:46.120 I run into people and need to charge their phones, 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:48.040 they can just do that without my truck being gone. 1:23:48.120 --> 1:23:50.240 Yeah and yeah, I ended up shoving a bunch of 1:23:50.360 --> 1:23:52.960 twelve fort batter reason that ammocan and hooking it up 1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:55.080 to a bunch of USB boards on the outside of 1:23:55.080 --> 1:23:57.639 the amacan and then just bringing them home at charging 1:23:57.680 --> 1:24:00.439 them make other than doing a charge controller, And yeah, 1:24:00.960 --> 1:24:02.599 it's not worth it. No, that makes sense. 1:24:02.600 --> 1:24:05.640 And honestly, like my van's off grid setup is I 1:24:05.720 --> 1:24:08.040 have the equipment to run it off my alternator or 1:24:08.080 --> 1:24:10.240 solar panels on the roof, I just have a fuck 1:24:10.320 --> 1:24:12.200 ton of batteries in my van, so I just plug 1:24:12.200 --> 1:24:15.360 it in every couple of weeks and it's fine, you know. 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:18.479 Yeah, yeah, you end up doing I've tried a bunch 1:24:18.520 --> 1:24:21.400 of the different solar panels I use them when I'm 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.639 this company called Pale Blue that I used a decent amount. 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:26.080 I left it with someone on a work trip because 1:24:26.120 --> 1:24:28.439 they needed it more than me. Yeah, it's alsouly useful, 1:24:28.479 --> 1:24:30.559 But like, if you're really trying to run anything big, 1:24:30.600 --> 1:24:33.240 you need a lot more solar panel then you're probably 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:35.160 gonna you know, carry around on your backpack. 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:38.000 That's what I think people don't quite recognize is that, 1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:40.640 like I used to have a pretty large array of 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:44.720 twelve hundred watts, and you know, I had to go 1:24:45.000 --> 1:24:47.920 run hundreds of feet of cable to put that in 1:24:47.960 --> 1:24:50.160 a field and build like a whole structure to hold 1:24:50.200 --> 1:24:51.800 it and get it to the right angle and things 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:54.479 like that. Yeah, and even then in the winter I 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:57.520 ran the generator. And this is to keep my laptop 1:24:57.640 --> 1:25:01.200 and a little tiny super efficient fridge going right and 1:25:01.280 --> 1:25:06.519 some other stuff right. But like, solar is not space efficient. 1:25:06.640 --> 1:25:08.439 It's not going to do what you think it does 1:25:08.479 --> 1:25:10.320 because it's not gonna do what it's advertised to do. 1:25:10.640 --> 1:25:12.679 But it'll keep your cell phone alive, yeah. 1:25:12.520 --> 1:25:14.920 Which is important. Or if you use a satellite communicator 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:18.080 or something, then you can keep that charged. Yeah. 1:25:18.120 --> 1:25:21.200 With gas, one friend usually keeps her car half full 1:25:21.240 --> 1:25:23.280 of gas, but forgot that week because you've been driving 1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:25.280 so much and started the crisis with only an eighth 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:28.680 of a tank and was extra stuck. You need to 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:30.760 have a gas can if you want to drive out 1:25:30.760 --> 1:25:32.599 of the city and get as much gas as possible. 1:25:32.600 --> 1:25:36.559 Of course, you can store gas in a good container 1:25:36.560 --> 1:25:38.280 for a while, but it goes bad after three to 1:25:38.320 --> 1:25:40.719 six months. You store gas that way, So you should 1:25:40.720 --> 1:25:43.320 set an alarm for yourself. This is kind of telling myself. 1:25:43.360 --> 1:25:44.600 I have like gas cans where I was like, oh, 1:25:44.600 --> 1:25:46.519 I should store some gas, and then I'm like, oh, wait, 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:47.760 how long has that one been there? 1:25:48.280 --> 1:25:51.720 Yeah? Crap? Now am I dealing with it? Yeah? You 1:25:51.720 --> 1:25:53.760 have to take it to real specialized places to deal 1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:55.280 with it. Yeah, it's hard to get rid of it 1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:57.160 once you Yeah, let it go bad. 1:25:57.400 --> 1:26:00.000 And so an empty gas can actually would have done 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:02.720 people in Ashville a lot of good. A full gas 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:06.040 can even better, right, But honestly, full tank of gas 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:08.559 in your car better in a full gas can, empty 1:26:08.560 --> 1:26:10.639 gas can allow people to leave and go get gas 1:26:10.720 --> 1:26:15.120 because they were not. Civilization didn't end. Civilization ended a 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:18.240 ninety minute radius, you know. Yeah, So you can set 1:26:18.240 --> 1:26:19.200 an alarm for yourself if. 1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:20.920 You're going to keep full gas and then you put 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:22.880 it in your gas tank and then you go refill 1:26:22.920 --> 1:26:24.640 it again, and then you get annoyed about doing this, 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:27.040 and then you stop doing it, and then an apocalypse happens, 1:26:27.040 --> 1:26:29.479 and then you're really annoyed that you forgot. Don't ask 1:26:29.479 --> 1:26:31.320 me how I know. Just if you have the money 1:26:31.360 --> 1:26:34.200 to not let your vehicle get below half full, you'll 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:35.600 probably be fine. You can get a long way in 1:26:35.680 --> 1:26:36.120 a tank. 1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:39.280 Well, it's about when you have the money is an 1:26:39.320 --> 1:26:41.200 important part. But at the end of the day, it 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:43.840 does not cost you more money to keep your gas 1:26:43.840 --> 1:26:44.679 tank at half full. 1:26:44.920 --> 1:26:47.320 Right, No, it doesn't because you're and unless you're driving 1:26:47.360 --> 1:26:49.320 a long way to get the gas, but like you're 1:26:49.360 --> 1:26:51.680 still driving the same amount, you're just stopping off a 1:26:51.720 --> 1:26:52.200 little more. 1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:56.280 Yeah, empty gas can ended up crucial, and people who 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:57.880 stored them were glad, and a lot of them were 1:26:57.920 --> 1:27:01.080 donated immediately. Volunteers collected gas cans and drove the three 1:27:01.160 --> 1:27:03.240 hour round trip to fill them up with gas several 1:27:03.240 --> 1:27:06.040 times a day. You should learn the range of your vehicle. 1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:09.000 Newer cars will tell you automatically, but if not, it's 1:27:09.040 --> 1:27:10.880 not super hard to figure out your gas mileage. You 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:13.360 have to like look at your mileage when you fill 1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:16.800 it up and do some division and shit and find 1:27:16.800 --> 1:27:19.519 out the size of your fuel tank and your gas mileage, 1:27:19.520 --> 1:27:22.000 and you'll know whether or not you have enough gas 1:27:22.000 --> 1:27:24.719 to reach an area, especially if you're doing disaster relief. 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:26.800 You never want to do disaster relief if you can't 1:27:26.800 --> 1:27:28.960 get out of the situation yourself, because then you're a 1:27:28.960 --> 1:27:31.720 fucking asshole, because then you are just actually another person 1:27:31.760 --> 1:27:35.599 who needs relief. Communications, as this show covered last week, 1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:38.600 were one of the hardest hit areas of preparedness in 1:27:38.640 --> 1:27:42.720 this crisis. There were Ham radio operators doing stuff, but 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:45.080 a lot of my activist and anarchist friends with Bao fangs, 1:27:45.080 --> 1:27:48.200 which are these cheap Ham radios, struggle to get them 1:27:48.240 --> 1:27:51.600 to work well during the storm due to the mountains, 1:27:52.000 --> 1:27:55.880 water in the air, lack of repeaters, and frankly that 1:27:55.960 --> 1:28:01.680 Ham radios are really goddamn complicated. Everyone has fully up 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:06.520 on exactly how it works at that moment, right yeah, 1:28:06.560 --> 1:28:09.240 and this has put a fire under them to get 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:12.040 better at it. But especially in the mountains, repeaters need 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:14.559 to be a part of a radio communications plan. People 1:28:14.600 --> 1:28:16.760 with satellite phones were some of the only people in 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:20.400 communication at the beginning. I was curious about and did 1:28:20.439 --> 1:28:23.679 not find any information about whether or not the new 1:28:23.720 --> 1:28:25.080 iPhone satellite texting. 1:28:25.760 --> 1:28:28.400 I wanted to ask about that. I didn't find anyone 1:28:28.439 --> 1:28:30.639 who used it. Okay, I found it to be less 1:28:30.680 --> 1:28:34.240 reliable than what I have is Garment in Reach. I 1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:37.599 pay for it, yeah, and it works real well. Used 1:28:37.640 --> 1:28:39.880 it in the dairy and gap. I've used it again 1:28:40.360 --> 1:28:42.479 every continent part from Antarctica. So you would say that 1:28:42.520 --> 1:28:44.880 the iPhone doesn't replace the garment in Reach in terms 1:28:44.920 --> 1:28:47.160 of well the iPhone works in North America. So for me, 1:28:48.160 --> 1:28:50.559 my model has been absolutely not Like it didn't work 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:54.600 in Panama, Central America, I guess, so yeah, no, for me, 1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:58.879 the in Reach has been faster. It's also another device 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:03.400 that's not yourself. Yeah, and like sometimes you know the 1:29:03.400 --> 1:29:05.600 device that you're playing Angry Birds on and then you 1:29:05.680 --> 1:29:07.639 run out of battery or whatever. You know, Like, yeah, 1:29:07.680 --> 1:29:09.680 it's useful to have a device which is only for 1:29:09.760 --> 1:29:13.519 emergencies which lasts for two weeks if you charged it up. Yeah, one, 1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:16.120 I leave mine off and so yeah yeah yeah, I 1:29:16.160 --> 1:29:18.200 mean if you're getting one for that purpose, I would 1:29:18.240 --> 1:29:21.240 say that, like the bigger in Reach is better. There's 1:29:21.400 --> 1:29:24.080 in Reach Mini and Mini two. Again. I used the 1:29:24.120 --> 1:29:27.040 Mini for about eight years I think, eventually destroyed it 1:29:27.040 --> 1:29:29.320 and got it warranty replace with a Mini too. The 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:32.800 bigger one allows you to type on the device, the 1:29:32.920 --> 1:29:36.800 Mini too, sending any kind of message without a cell 1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:41.080 phone to do the input is a real bastard. But this, yeah, 1:29:41.200 --> 1:29:43.759 it's just like remember when you used to do predictive 1:29:43.760 --> 1:29:47.000 texts and you do like one was ABC two. Yeah, 1:29:47.040 --> 1:29:47.559 it's like that. 1:29:47.760 --> 1:29:50.040 Okay, Yeah, I have the in reach too, and I've 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:52.800 only proof of concept of that. I'm often driving around 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:54.679 replaces where I could break our down the middle of nowhere. 1:29:54.680 --> 1:30:00.599 Actually I broke down yesterday about free my from where 1:30:00.640 --> 1:30:02.479 I lose cell service in the mountains that I live in. 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:05.400 Oh, that could have been rough. I know. I also 1:30:05.439 --> 1:30:07.000 broke down in an auto mechanic shop. 1:30:07.040 --> 1:30:09.840 I got real lucky with what was otherwise a real 1:30:09.880 --> 1:30:10.559 bad situation. 1:30:11.080 --> 1:30:14.360 If you're getting it in reach Mini, this is my soapbox. 1:30:15.240 --> 1:30:18.559 Don't trust the crappy little caribiner it comes with by 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:22.519 a small locking DMM makes a tiny locking carabiner. It's 1:30:22.560 --> 1:30:24.960 an important thing to lose it because you didn't want 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:27.400 to spend ten bucks on a carabiner. Would be a 1:30:27.439 --> 1:30:30.000 bad day you mentioned this. I'll end up doing this 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:31.960 because I trust you, because your user is more than mine. 1:30:31.960 --> 1:30:34.160 Mine just is like clip to my hiking bag, but 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:38.840 it hasn't. Yeah, inherently and unlocking and unlocking caribine. You 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:40.600 want to be using a locker for something that's like 1:30:40.600 --> 1:30:44.200 an essential safety. Now that makes sense. Threadlock the little Yeah, 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:46.519 it uses I think a talks or an Alan threadlock 1:30:46.600 --> 1:30:48.960 that bad boy in. Okay, you're good to go. 1:30:50.120 --> 1:30:52.719 I know that starlink doesn't work very well during storms. 1:30:52.760 --> 1:30:55.679 There's this method of internet called starlink that's owned by 1:30:55.800 --> 1:30:57.960 someone who I don't like and wouldn't like me because 1:30:57.960 --> 1:31:03.960 I'm a transperson. But starlink is not incredibly reliable during storms. 1:31:04.160 --> 1:31:06.719 I know that because I live remote and you starlink. 1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:10.519 I'm on talking on starlink right now. It does not 1:31:10.640 --> 1:31:14.280 work great during storms. But after the storm passed and 1:31:14.320 --> 1:31:17.280 when cell service was still out, a restaurant with starlink 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:19.720 was where many people first were able to reach their 1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:23.599 loved ones. That's cool, and so that is a thing 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:27.599 to know. It is a fairly reliable service. 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:31.679 Frankly, same deal in the Darien. Actually, that's how migrants 1:31:31.720 --> 1:31:33.559 are first able to contact their loved ones and let 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:36.280 them know that they're safe. Yeah, it's an indigenous village 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:39.280 where someone has a starlink, unless you personally piss off 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:42.080 a particular billionaire, in which case he will personally turn 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:44.519 it off for you. Yeah. Great. 1:31:44.680 --> 1:31:47.519 Everyone I talked to had a regular like AMFM weather 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:50.080 blah blah blah radio at home, which is great. Yeah, 1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:52.720 people should have radios in their homes. Radio is the 1:31:52.720 --> 1:31:55.439 main mechanism that the city used to broadcast information about 1:31:55.479 --> 1:31:58.559 various threats, like evacuations of regions threatened by the destruction 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:02.040 of dams or the can tamination in the water. However, 1:32:02.760 --> 1:32:05.439 how you charge them is you know, I fortunately had 1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:08.440 some d batteries in my van to give to someone because. 1:32:08.439 --> 1:32:09.880 Oh wow, that soul school. Yeah. 1:32:09.960 --> 1:32:11.880 No, yeah, some of my stuff I brought like in 1:32:11.920 --> 1:32:14.200 case someone I knew needed and some stuff I just 1:32:14.200 --> 1:32:16.879 like brought to give away. Yeah, and my like stash 1:32:16.920 --> 1:32:19.240 of batteries was just like came with me in case 1:32:19.240 --> 1:32:20.120 anyone needed you know. 1:32:20.320 --> 1:32:23.679 Yeah, you can get wind up weather radios. I have one. Yeah, no, totally. 1:32:23.720 --> 1:32:27.760 That's actually I dislike most all in one gadgets for survival, 1:32:28.160 --> 1:32:30.400 but the wind up radio with the little shitty solar 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:32.000 panel is one of the ones that I'm like, no, 1:32:32.160 --> 1:32:35.840 that's they're thirty to fifty bucks and they work. Yeah, 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:38.200 and you don't need much power to listen to a radio, 1:32:38.439 --> 1:32:38.640 you know. 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:41.120 No, they are a whole potst of world where wind 1:32:41.200 --> 1:32:44.000 up weather radios or how people get their information. 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:47.400 Yeah, it makes sense for travel. Most people still got 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:50.000 around by vehicle, just with limited gas, though I saw 1:32:50.000 --> 1:32:52.320 more than the usual number of people walking or biking, 1:32:52.360 --> 1:32:56.600 pulling trailers or wagons. As a general rule, consider floodwaters 1:32:56.600 --> 1:33:01.200 to be impassable and do not attempt to drive through them. Interestingly, 1:33:01.640 --> 1:33:04.719 electric cars do better in floods than gas engines because 1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:07.280 if water gets into the air intake of a gas engine, 1:33:07.479 --> 1:33:11.160 the engine will stall. And usually it's people with giant 1:33:11.160 --> 1:33:14.960 pickup trucks who overestimate the capabilities of their vehicles. 1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:17.280 Who go out and do this. Yeah. 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:18.760 When I got my truck and I was like, I'm 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:21.240 a prepper, I'm going to get those like bullbars or 1:33:21.280 --> 1:33:23.719 the front cage things or whatever. 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:26.880 Grown. Yeah, and I looked into it and I read 1:33:26.920 --> 1:33:29.800 about it, and they just murder people. Yeah, as someone 1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:32.120 who rides a bicycle a lot, those things do. 1:33:32.280 --> 1:33:35.639 Not like it's already bad that pickup trucks are so gigantic, 1:33:35.840 --> 1:33:38.240 but the if you add one of those things to 1:33:38.240 --> 1:33:40.760 the front of your car, front of your truck, you're 1:33:40.840 --> 1:33:43.160 just gonna and you have to think about it. Are 1:33:43.160 --> 1:33:47.360 you more likely to need to push broken down cars 1:33:48.040 --> 1:33:51.559 during the end of the world or accidentally hit a 1:33:51.560 --> 1:33:56.000 pedestrian with your vehicle that is taller than a child. Yeah, 1:33:56.040 --> 1:34:00.320 and I would guess for most people, including me, I 1:34:00.360 --> 1:34:02.640 am more likely to accidentally hit a pedestrian. So I 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:05.040 ran that through my cost benefit analysis, and I do 1:34:05.120 --> 1:34:08.240 not have one of those things on my truck. I 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:10.800 could imagine a world is like low, low low on 1:34:10.840 --> 1:34:12.840 my list of priorities, Like one day I'm going to 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:14.559 get one and I'm going to keep it in my garage, 1:34:15.040 --> 1:34:17.120 and then it's like, yeah, and the world has ended, 1:34:17.160 --> 1:34:18.720 and I'm gonna put it on my truck in case 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:20.160 I need to push cars out of the way. 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:20.679 Yeah. 1:34:20.680 --> 1:34:23.400 With the three hundred and fifty miles, I can drive 1:34:23.439 --> 1:34:24.679 my truck before it's useless. 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:25.479 Yeah. 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:29.920 Yeah, using all that gas stooled Yeah, yeah, exactly. That 1:34:30.040 --> 1:34:33.719 totally lasts a long time anyway. One of the problems 1:34:33.760 --> 1:34:35.960 electric vehicles with flooding that I think we're starting to see. 1:34:36.000 --> 1:34:38.160 I think these videos were from Ashville, but I'm not certain, 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:41.360 is that electric vehicles if they are underwater for long enough, 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:43.240 especially with salt water. This is less of a North 1:34:43.240 --> 1:34:45.479 Carolina and more of a coastal thing. Yeah, the salt 1:34:45.479 --> 1:34:48.000 water can cause fires if it hits the battery long enough. 1:34:48.720 --> 1:34:52.400 Don't drive through flood water, and floods in the mountains 1:34:52.439 --> 1:34:54.960 are particularly fast moving as compared to like coastal area 1:34:55.000 --> 1:34:57.400 floods where the water might be still and staying around. 1:34:58.160 --> 1:35:02.320 Yeah. On the other hand, moving floodwater goes away faster 1:35:02.680 --> 1:35:03.800 and on its own. 1:35:03.880 --> 1:35:04.360 Yeah. 1:35:04.479 --> 1:35:07.439 So yeah, with gravity, don't cycle through it. I've cycled 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:10.840 through a couple of rivers once in Iceland. It just 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:14.320 picked up the bike from underneath me, and it like 1:35:14.800 --> 1:35:18.200 not an optimal situation actually, to be swimming down a 1:35:18.280 --> 1:35:20.840 river chasing after your bicycle in Iceland. Yeah, I don't 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:25.320 want to do that. Yeah. Avoid famously warm place Iceland. Yeah. Hm, 1:35:25.800 --> 1:35:27.920 only one hundred kilometers from the nearest place I could 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:30.000 re warm myself. It's a great day. 1:35:31.880 --> 1:35:34.920 Roads were washed away in many places, while many many 1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:38.080 more were blocked by downtrees. Improper chainsaw use is one 1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:40.240 of the leading causes of injuries and disasters. 1:35:40.360 --> 1:35:40.880 Oh I bet. 1:35:41.040 --> 1:35:45.000 Proper use of chainsaws has been absolutely essential. Although there 1:35:45.000 --> 1:35:48.920 were reports of people who self rescued with hand saws. Yeah, 1:35:49.160 --> 1:35:52.840 and you know, yeah, you got time and people and 1:35:52.880 --> 1:35:54.360 you got a handsaw, and there's a tree in your way, 1:35:54.400 --> 1:35:55.160 you can get through it. 1:35:56.000 --> 1:36:00.519 Yeah, don't be like the guy maybe Margaret's so there's 1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:03.639 some like homesteader on. Oh god, that's dot com who 1:36:03.640 --> 1:36:06.880 I've started war with. Yeah, because he's he's lying, He's 1:36:06.920 --> 1:36:09.400 not like I'm sorry this guy is. Don't braid their hair. 1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:11.120 Both of them have long hair and they don't braid it. 1:36:11.360 --> 1:36:13.400 I do not believe that they work outside regularly if 1:36:13.439 --> 1:36:15.479 they don't braid their hair. Yeah, your hair will get 1:36:15.479 --> 1:36:18.559 caught and shit and it'll just tangle. It is not 1:36:18.920 --> 1:36:21.360 worth it. The reason rural people with long hair wear 1:36:21.400 --> 1:36:24.280 their hair and braids, Yeah, it's it keeps it out 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:24.559 the way. 1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:25.240 Yeah. 1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:27.479 Yeah, I would say that if you have a saw, 1:36:27.640 --> 1:36:29.599 keep it, you know, keep it in a reasonable condition. 1:36:29.720 --> 1:36:31.479 The old sword has been kicking around your shed and 1:36:31.520 --> 1:36:35.479 it's rusty and blunt. Yeah, likewise the old chainsaw, So 1:36:35.600 --> 1:36:38.320 don't be dragging that out. Yeah, you haven't used it 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:38.719 for a while. 1:36:38.760 --> 1:36:40.960 That said one of the things I was expecting but 1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:43.479 wasn't true, because I brought down a generator that I 1:36:43.479 --> 1:36:44.880 didn't know if worked right, And I was like, what 1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:46.840 a jerk move, because if I was going down to 1:36:46.920 --> 1:36:48.960 like there's like ten people and I'm like, don't worry, 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:49.760 I'm here to rescue you. 1:36:49.800 --> 1:36:51.760 I've got a generator. I don't know if works. That's 1:36:51.800 --> 1:36:52.360 not so great. 1:36:52.520 --> 1:36:56.080 Yeah, right, there's one hundred thousand people who live in Asheville. 1:36:56.560 --> 1:36:59.400 There was the Asheville Tool Library and the Western North 1:36:59.400 --> 1:37:04.120 Carolina Pair Cafe hold up outside the Anarchist Bookstore fixing 1:37:04.520 --> 1:37:09.000 generators and chainsaws. Oh listen, yeah, hero shit, and it 1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:09.439 was great. 1:37:09.680 --> 1:37:12.120 Of all the various generators people brought, I was like, 1:37:12.120 --> 1:37:13.479 I don't know if this one works, and they added 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:15.320 gas and it worked, and so I was like I 1:37:15.400 --> 1:37:19.080 brought the best shitty generator, you know. Yeah, but no, 1:37:19.200 --> 1:37:21.800 Sometimes things can be handy, and knowing how to fix 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:23.080 things is always useful. 1:37:23.360 --> 1:37:25.920 And there are people around with more specialized skills. You 1:37:25.960 --> 1:37:30.880 don't have to learn to do everything. For example, chainsawing 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:34.440 is a specialized skill. I own a bunch of devices 1:37:34.439 --> 1:37:38.120 that are scary and dangerous, and some of them are guns, 1:37:38.360 --> 1:37:40.439 and one of them is a table saw, and the 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:43.920 chainsaw is the most likely to hurt me. Yeah, for sure, 1:37:44.400 --> 1:37:47.200 and I've been to a chainsaw class. I'm very glad. 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:51.080 Cutting a downed tree is an entirely different skill than 1:37:51.120 --> 1:37:53.840 cutting a live tree or a standing tree because of 1:37:53.880 --> 1:37:56.120 the way that tension works. And I cannot teach you 1:37:56.160 --> 1:37:58.760 this over Well, you might already know it, but don't 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:01.080 listen to a podcast. Learn how to go to a class. 1:38:01.200 --> 1:38:03.160 Yeah, pay someone to teach you and get the right 1:38:03.200 --> 1:38:08.479 protective stuff like, yeah, absolutely proper detective trousers and things. Yeah. 1:38:09.040 --> 1:38:11.320 Also, never cut up trees woven with power lines without 1:38:11.320 --> 1:38:13.840 ascertaining that the power line is dead. As for how 1:38:13.840 --> 1:38:15.920 to ascertain it, I asked someone who was on a 1:38:15.960 --> 1:38:18.680 chainsaw crew how to ascertain it, and he didn't know. 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:23.200 So they just avoid those ones. Yeah, I mean mains 1:38:23.240 --> 1:38:24.080 power is not a joke. 1:38:24.520 --> 1:38:24.960 Yeah. 1:38:25.280 --> 1:38:28.200 People have been reaching the more isolated communities out there 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:31.320 by hiking, by ATV, by dirt bike, by helicopter, and 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:33.479 most famously, by a string of pack mules. There are 1:38:33.520 --> 1:38:35.880 a lot of ways that people have been getting help 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:37.720 to people. This doesn't mean you need to go out 1:38:37.720 --> 1:38:39.680 and buy a helicopter, Like, just get a mule. You 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:42.120 don't even need to google how much a helicopter is, Margaret, 1:38:43.760 --> 1:38:47.080 I wonder how much a helicopter is anyway. And then 1:38:47.800 --> 1:38:50.320 there was one tool and tool set that a lot 1:38:50.400 --> 1:38:52.800 of my friends have that as of yet, has had 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:56.240 more or less no use in responding to this crisis, 1:38:57.720 --> 1:38:58.599 and that is guns. 1:38:58.960 --> 1:39:01.360 I asked. I figured it might be. 1:39:01.479 --> 1:39:03.880 This is interesting for a few reasons. One is that 1:39:03.920 --> 1:39:06.920 North Carolina is a pretty gun friendly state. It's also 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:09.200 a pretty culture war ass state. 1:39:09.800 --> 1:39:10.040 Yeah. 1:39:10.160 --> 1:39:13.639 Where I live in West Virginia, people don't I mean, yeah, 1:39:13.680 --> 1:39:16.360 you see the punisher skull every now and then or whatever, 1:39:16.400 --> 1:39:18.360 but like overall, people are like, I don't know, We're 1:39:18.360 --> 1:39:21.080 all just trying to live, you know. Yeah, in western 1:39:21.120 --> 1:39:25.080 North Carolina you have intense tensions between strong pockets of 1:39:25.080 --> 1:39:28.360 blue and red right and a lot of people on 1:39:28.400 --> 1:39:31.160 both sides that are armed. I have a North Carolina 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:35.040 concealed carry permit myself. I'm not anti gun, but it 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:39.360 was not what was wanted or needed. Yeah, if food 1:39:39.400 --> 1:39:41.600 stays scarce long enough down there, I would expect some 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:44.559 people might be doing some out of season survival hunting. 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:48.120 But I haven't even heard rumors of that yet. Yeah, 1:39:48.200 --> 1:39:51.000 there have been occasional rumors of robberies and the occasional 1:39:51.080 --> 1:39:53.639 rumors of Nazi activity in the areas, and I believe 1:39:53.680 --> 1:39:58.120 both have happened, Yeah, but there's been nothing widespread, and 1:39:58.200 --> 1:40:00.559 so far there hasn't even been a need for community 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:04.759 defense organizations. By and large, the culture war is on pause, 1:40:05.640 --> 1:40:09.799 and I'm grateful. I like getting along with people. 1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:14.439 Yeah, no, it's much more fun they' shooting at them. Yeah. Yeah. 1:40:14.600 --> 1:40:18.280 Like talk about shared interests like guns, Yeah. 1:40:19.520 --> 1:40:23.120 Yeah, I've had some positive discussions of people who don't pose. Yeah, 1:40:23.160 --> 1:40:27.080 probably aligned with me because we both enjoy all guns. 1:40:27.760 --> 1:40:29.960 And this is not to say the firearms are not 1:40:30.040 --> 1:40:32.760 a useful skill set for different threat models within the apocalypse, 1:40:33.000 --> 1:40:35.080 but it hasn't proved particularly useful so far in this 1:40:35.080 --> 1:40:38.280 particular crisis. And I think overall, I would put this 1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:41.040 at an overrated skill and an overrated tool. 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:44.000 Yeah, and definitely an overage way to spend a shit 1:40:44.200 --> 1:40:46.479 ton of money. Oh my god. Yeah. No. 1:40:47.240 --> 1:40:51.840 One magazine of bullets is a movie that you can 1:40:51.920 --> 1:40:55.920 go see at the theater. Yeah, yeah, like a dinner. 1:40:55.960 --> 1:40:58.880 And I'm saying this, yeah, I'm looking. 1:40:58.640 --> 1:41:01.840 At like what that one, two, three, four, like maybe 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:05.640 twelve ammunition? Canful of ammunition mainly I buy the I 1:41:05.680 --> 1:41:08.920 like to go shoot clay pigeons and the targets and stuff, 1:41:08.920 --> 1:41:10.880 and I buy and it is cheap. But also, if 1:41:10.960 --> 1:41:12.200 you have a gun, you should know how to use 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:15.680 it otherwise you're dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, like, don't don't be 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:17.600 buying a gun and then loading it and storing it 1:41:17.640 --> 1:41:20.480 and not knowing how to use it than your liability. Yeah, 1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:24.600 But like I also have a bunch of lentils, and like, 1:41:25.040 --> 1:41:28.880 just in terms of preparedness, by the lentils first. 1:41:28.640 --> 1:41:32.519 Totally more useful, way more useful in the circumstance. And 1:41:32.680 --> 1:41:35.160 this circumstance is more likely the most and one thing 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:38.479 almost everyone I talked to was happy about. No one 1:41:38.560 --> 1:41:42.360 was sad about just this came up. Everyone was happy 1:41:42.360 --> 1:41:44.599 that they had extra to share. A random woman who 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:46.880 showed up to get water at the Anarchist bookstore saw 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:49.280 what was happening and turned and told me, like, oh, 1:41:49.320 --> 1:41:50.960 I have a chainsaw. I don't really you should I 1:41:50.960 --> 1:41:55.160 bring it here? And the answer is yes, And everyone 1:41:56.200 --> 1:41:59.120 is happy when we give things to each other. That's 1:41:59.160 --> 1:42:01.519 the That's the these of the other podcast episode I 1:42:01.520 --> 1:42:04.400 did this week, is that when you give stuff to someone. 1:42:04.479 --> 1:42:06.519 It's good for both of you. You just literally are 1:42:06.520 --> 1:42:10.240 both happier, Yeah, without a doubt. And like, I remember 1:42:10.280 --> 1:42:13.200 when my house flood. I think I was seventeen eighteen 1:42:13.240 --> 1:42:15.639 something like that. My little sister and I were at home, 1:42:15.680 --> 1:42:18.080 and I remember at first being like, oh no, back 1:42:18.080 --> 1:42:20.120 in the daily you know, we had a TV that 1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:23.000 was relatively flat. It's probably six inches thick still, you know, 1:42:23.040 --> 1:42:25.120 but we thought it was shit, and then being like, 1:42:25.120 --> 1:42:27.799 oh no, this TV that was so cool, it's being destroyed. 1:42:28.000 --> 1:42:30.600 H And then immediately being like, my neighbors were in 1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:34.640 their eighties and fucked the TV. Yeah, Like, and we 1:42:34.640 --> 1:42:36.320 got our neighbors and there was one house in our 1:42:36.400 --> 1:42:38.559 village that was on the hill. Everyone in our village 1:42:38.600 --> 1:42:40.760 went to the house on the hill. We had a 1:42:40.760 --> 1:42:44.479 great time. Yeah, Like we hung out and everyone was 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:47.280 so much happier not having to go through that shit alone. Yeah, 1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:49.040 and they would have been sitting in the house watching 1:42:49.080 --> 1:42:51.640 all their stuff wash you we. Yeah, we stayed there 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:52.840 a couple of days and then we went home and 1:42:52.880 --> 1:42:55.679 it was fine. Well that's what I got. 1:42:55.840 --> 1:42:57.360 I thought it was going to be thirty minutes and 1:42:57.360 --> 1:42:59.679 then I forgot I was going to talk about gear 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:03.559 with my friend James, where we both separately off Mike 1:43:03.680 --> 1:43:06.280 often do this for hours of the time. Yeah, and 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:10.200 so go out and get yourself three days to three 1:43:10.200 --> 1:43:12.559 weeks worth of food and water. Slowly build it up. 1:43:12.960 --> 1:43:14.960 Go out and talk to your neighbors, figure who they are, 1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:18.120 and uh, is it gonna be okay? 1:43:18.439 --> 1:43:20.000 The main reason's gonna be okay? Is we all die 1:43:20.040 --> 1:43:23.720 eventually anyway, But like that's gonna be okay. Yeah, We're 1:43:23.720 --> 1:43:25.719 gonna take care of each other as best we can. Yeah, 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:28.120 that's what we do. Anything you want to plug, I 1:43:28.120 --> 1:43:31.080 guess this is your podcast. Yeah, I mean participant in 1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:33.800 mutual aid anyway, because then you have the structures to 1:43:33.840 --> 1:43:36.120 help yourself and know other people when you need them. Yes, 1:43:36.280 --> 1:43:41.280 Like if things went shit here tomorrow, I could communicate 1:43:41.320 --> 1:43:43.639 with my border friends because we use ham radios, and 1:43:44.479 --> 1:43:47.000 we could help one another because we already engage in 1:43:47.000 --> 1:43:50.720 the helping of people, and we organize horizontally because it 1:43:50.800 --> 1:43:52.640 is better and that way, it doesn't matter if the 1:43:52.760 --> 1:43:55.479 person who is quote unquote in charge isn't here, because 1:43:55.479 --> 1:43:56.160 no one's in charge. 1:43:56.240 --> 1:43:59.920 Yep, totally, So do anarchism if you want to support 1:44:00.080 --> 1:44:03.920 Asheville and the relief efforts there and the surrounding areas. Financially, 1:44:04.040 --> 1:44:08.240 there's a million different small organizations that could absolutely ease 1:44:08.240 --> 1:44:11.000 your help. But the two that I think we've been 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:12.599 shouting out a lot on the show, and I can 1:44:12.640 --> 1:44:16.320 personally vouch for it very strongly is Appalachian Medical Solidarity 1:44:16.680 --> 1:44:19.160 and Mutual Aid Disaster Relief. And both of those are 1:44:19.200 --> 1:44:22.320 volunteer organizations. Every all the little money, all the money 1:44:22.400 --> 1:44:25.240 you send is going to buy people's stuff. And if 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:28.200 you are within a day's drive of western North Carolina, 1:44:28.240 --> 1:44:31.559 there might be a hub collecting things. Don't bring them 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:34.240 your old sweaters, bring them stuff that people want. 1:44:34.840 --> 1:44:37.120 You could ask them and they'll tell you, yeah, And 1:44:37.760 --> 1:44:39.360 that's what I got. That's what I got to plug. 1:44:39.880 --> 1:44:42.599 I will talk to you all some other times on 1:44:42.960 --> 1:44:43.880 It could happen he. 1:45:04.560 --> 1:45:09.160 Welcome to It could happen to hear a podcast about 1:45:09.600 --> 1:45:16.080 ice training guest squads. I guess I'm your host via Wong. 1:45:16.240 --> 1:45:18.439 I guess I don't know if formerly or better is 1:45:18.439 --> 1:45:20.680 the correct word, but sometimes also not. As the ice 1:45:20.800 --> 1:45:23.639 was be destroyed, girl, So I'm mad about this one 1:45:23.800 --> 1:45:27.240 with me? Is someone else's extremely bad about the existence 1:45:27.280 --> 1:45:29.200 of ICE, which is James Yep. 1:45:29.200 --> 1:45:32.240 I'm here, I'm mad as a waste. I guess just 1:45:32.280 --> 1:45:36.200 another Monday. Yeah, this shit sucks, This does suck. Yeah, 1:45:36.479 --> 1:45:37.920 you know, I had this realization. 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:40.599 I get this on Twitter a lot, where I realized 1:45:40.640 --> 1:45:42.479 that there are people who don't know what ICE is 1:45:43.160 --> 1:45:46.760 because they're like, they're not from the US, or they're like, yeah, 1:45:46.840 --> 1:45:50.040 so ICE is immigrations and customs enforcements. The shortest description 1:45:50.120 --> 1:45:52.240 of what they are is that they are one of 1:45:52.280 --> 1:45:54.680 the like four American border gestapos. 1:45:55.080 --> 1:45:59.799 Yeah. The number of agencies under DHS is fucking baffling, 1:46:00.200 --> 1:46:03.840 constantly rebranding every time they have a scandal or they 1:46:03.880 --> 1:46:06.559 kill too many people. That yeah, ICE is kind of 1:46:06.760 --> 1:46:09.200 their flagship evil program. 1:46:09.760 --> 1:46:14.200 Yeah, and they like they do raids on fucking houses, 1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:15.680 they do raised on businesses. 1:46:16.000 --> 1:46:17.160 They suck. 1:46:17.479 --> 1:46:19.320 Like if you vaguely remember, there was a whole bunch 1:46:19.360 --> 1:46:21.680 of protests in like twenty eighteen over this stuff, and 1:46:21.720 --> 1:46:23.799 that was mostly anti ICE stuff. 1:46:23.920 --> 1:46:26.639 Yeah, if someone's getting deported, it's ICE for the most 1:46:26.680 --> 1:46:29.920 part doing it. Like, Yeah, they also run detention centers 1:46:29.960 --> 1:46:33.280 where people go, you know, they work with Jeff Bezos 1:46:33.280 --> 1:46:34.240 on deporting people. 1:46:34.479 --> 1:46:36.880 Oh my fucking god. Okay, I just remembered a story 1:46:36.960 --> 1:46:41.880 I had. I had a flashback to standing in a protest, 1:46:41.920 --> 1:46:45.120 a very very large protest in twenty eighteen. This is 1:46:45.120 --> 1:46:48.040 one of like the big pro immigrant rallies. Yeah, and 1:46:48.320 --> 1:46:50.600 in this fucking protest, I saw a thing for this 1:46:50.880 --> 1:46:54.479 group called Heartland Alliance. Now PROBA people who probably don't 1:46:54.479 --> 1:46:56.320 outside of Chicago probably don't know what this is. The 1:46:56.360 --> 1:47:00.840 Heartland Alliance runs like fucking child prison facilities, like for 1:47:01.160 --> 1:47:04.759 ICE school, and they were at this protest against ICE. 1:47:05.880 --> 1:47:09.439 Fucking it was the worst. That shit was terrible. You know, 1:47:10.960 --> 1:47:14.080 this whole thing is all extremely bad. But what we've 1:47:14.120 --> 1:47:18.360 been learning more details about recently is this program called 1:47:18.880 --> 1:47:23.560 Citizens Academies, which is run by ICE's Homeland Security Investigations. 1:47:23.920 --> 1:47:26.799 I didn't think HSI was under ICE. I thought HSI 1:47:27.000 --> 1:47:29.719 was a different branch of dhs I might be wrong, 1:47:29.840 --> 1:47:33.479 but they used to be under ICE as far as 1:47:33.520 --> 1:47:35.679 I know, and then they became HSI. 1:47:36.200 --> 1:47:39.200 Okay, I might be wrong about that, because the stuff 1:47:39.200 --> 1:47:40.679 that I was reading was saying that they are still 1:47:40.680 --> 1:47:43.040 part of ICE, but they might not be. It's also 1:47:43.080 --> 1:47:46.560 possible that it's literally has gone back and forward multiple times. 1:47:46.920 --> 1:47:48.840 Yeah, this is merecrareck. Things fucking suck. 1:47:49.400 --> 1:47:51.679 But HSI also does, like a lot of the times, 1:47:51.760 --> 1:47:53.800 there's some of the people who like do like physically 1:47:53.800 --> 1:47:57.080 the people on the ground doing a raid will be HSI, like. 1:47:57.560 --> 1:48:02.800 Fucking stormtroopers or whatever. Yeah, they do arrests. Yeah, often 1:48:02.800 --> 1:48:06.639 they appear in like these Joint counter Terrorism Task task forces, 1:48:06.640 --> 1:48:08.800 like when they especially when they're doing stuff with like 1:48:08.880 --> 1:48:09.960 drugs and that kind of thing. 1:48:10.320 --> 1:48:15.760 Yeah, the civilian academies are I think really the only 1:48:15.800 --> 1:48:18.040 way you could describe them, even though this is not 1:48:18.120 --> 1:48:23.000 how it's being described really is that they're treating random 1:48:23.040 --> 1:48:25.280 people to like become desk what. 1:48:26.120 --> 1:48:29.600 Yeah, it's what's interesting is like the protest that you 1:48:29.640 --> 1:48:33.519 talked about seem to have been the sort of reason 1:48:33.600 --> 1:48:35.920 that they started this program, right, Yeah. 1:48:35.840 --> 1:48:38.240 We need to rewind this a little bit because they 1:48:38.280 --> 1:48:42.519 started in the US as a reaction to those protests, 1:48:42.600 --> 1:48:46.000 like specifically as like a pr thing. But the original 1:48:46.080 --> 1:48:48.880 version of these programs started in Puerto Rico under Obama. 1:48:49.640 --> 1:48:52.880 Look, we don't give Obama or anything like enough shit, right, 1:48:52.960 --> 1:48:57.160 Like fucking Obama just like in terms of killing people, 1:48:57.400 --> 1:49:00.519 in terms of deporting people, fucked up. Human being. 1:49:00.920 --> 1:49:03.280 Yeah, he was the deporter in chief and like, yeah, 1:49:03.439 --> 1:49:05.439 part of part of what's sort of brutal about the 1:49:05.479 --> 1:49:08.040 mom administration is like a lot of his support had 1:49:08.080 --> 1:49:11.880 been from like the huge undocumented that could have like 1:49:11.920 --> 1:49:14.320 peaked in like two thousand and six, and he comes 1:49:14.360 --> 1:49:16.360 in on this and they just fucking deports everyone. 1:49:16.439 --> 1:49:19.240 Yeah, as Democrats too every time. Yeah, we're seeing it 1:49:19.320 --> 1:49:19.920 again with Biden. 1:49:20.040 --> 1:49:22.240 Right, It's like it's the same sort of process and 1:49:22.240 --> 1:49:25.840 and under under Obama, these these programs start. There's specifically 1:49:25.920 --> 1:49:28.040 as you're talking about, there's specifically supposed to be these 1:49:28.080 --> 1:49:30.519 like training programs are supposed to be for community out Well, okay, 1:49:30.560 --> 1:49:32.280 so this is and this is one of these things. 1:49:32.479 --> 1:49:34.599 Was like, this is what they say that it's for. 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:37.479 And given what they're doing, I don't know how much 1:49:37.520 --> 1:49:40.120 I believe them what they're what they say that it's for. 1:49:40.280 --> 1:49:43.720 Is it's because there's been all of these anti ice things, 1:49:44.000 --> 1:49:47.200 Like I mean, there's lots of people who now are 1:49:47.400 --> 1:49:50.280 like don't say shit about ice, who like like AOC 1:49:50.560 --> 1:49:53.680 hasn't fucking said anything about abolishing ICE in like half 1:49:53.760 --> 1:49:56.920 a decade, right, and she ran on that. Yeah, because 1:49:56.920 --> 1:49:59.639 of how powerful those social movements were. I mean, there's 1:49:59.840 --> 1:50:03.720 like Sean mcguey, whatever the fuck guy whose whole thing 1:50:03.800 --> 1:50:06.080 was abolish ice and then he became a Democratic staffer 1:50:06.080 --> 1:50:07.639 and now it never talks about it again, and he's 1:50:07.680 --> 1:50:11.200 like my absolute wordal nemesis, like I will face at 1:50:11.200 --> 1:50:15.599 the end of days. Yeah, I will destroy hiss fucking 1:50:15.640 --> 1:50:19.519 traders ass and yeah, many, many, many such cases. But yeah, 1:50:19.600 --> 1:50:23.439 like and I think probably peak like anti ice sentiment 1:50:23.520 --> 1:50:26.519 was in the Trump era, right when people, Yeah, people 1:50:26.520 --> 1:50:29.360 started to look at immigration as the way that like 1:50:29.680 --> 1:50:32.720 people have immigrant communities and diasporas, see it, right, which 1:50:32.760 --> 1:50:36.040 is this thing that tears families apart, that destroys communities, 1:50:36.120 --> 1:50:40.559 that rich children from their parents, and people obviously recognized 1:50:40.600 --> 1:50:43.840 it was bad. And then Biden got in and the 1:50:43.880 --> 1:50:46.519 Democrats had to do this like kind of cover your 1:50:46.520 --> 1:50:48.320 eyes and turn away thing where they continue to do 1:50:48.360 --> 1:50:51.600 the same shit. Kids and cages are good now, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:50:51.800 --> 1:50:54.800 in cages great Democratic kids and cage is incredible. 1:50:54.840 --> 1:50:56.400 What if no cage is what do we just leave 1:50:56.439 --> 1:50:58.720 them out in the fucking mountains and James's friend have 1:50:58.760 --> 1:51:00.559 to feed them beans or wind? 1:51:00.920 --> 1:51:03.839 Yeah, but the thing is in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. 1:51:03.920 --> 1:51:07.560 It's not entirely clear that the Democrats are going to 1:51:07.600 --> 1:51:10.759 swing that way. No, And so you get these programs 1:51:10.760 --> 1:51:13.120 and what's interesting about them, and so a lot of 1:51:13.120 --> 1:51:15.280 this is coming from that. There's a very very good 1:51:15.600 --> 1:51:19.880 piece by Barrizio Guerrero indocumented, who got a bunch of 1:51:20.120 --> 1:51:25.080 Foya documents about this program and what they were actually doing. Yeah, 1:51:25.120 --> 1:51:27.040 and one of the things that he discovers about this 1:51:27.160 --> 1:51:31.559 is that it's like a lot of rich guys. Like 1:51:31.600 --> 1:51:33.360 it's some of them are like really rich. It's also 1:51:33.520 --> 1:51:35.360 it's a lot of like bank employees. 1:51:35.680 --> 1:51:38.320 Yeah, that was a funny almost, I guess kind of 1:51:38.360 --> 1:51:40.679 it got through that little social circle or whatever. 1:51:41.520 --> 1:51:45.600 Yeah, and like there's this sort of feed in program 1:51:45.680 --> 1:51:49.320 that sends people into this. And I actually I realized 1:51:49.360 --> 1:51:52.799 I had vaguely known about these but didn't quite understand 1:51:52.840 --> 1:51:55.280 how bad it was because he didn't have a bunch 1:51:55.360 --> 1:51:57.240 of the documents we have now. But this was a 1:51:57.240 --> 1:52:00.520 big thing in Chicago in twenty twenty one, where there 1:52:00.760 --> 1:52:02.840 was proposed to open one of these things. It's like 1:52:02.880 --> 1:52:06.200 these like training centers for these like fucking people. Oh yeah, 1:52:06.240 --> 1:52:09.360 and you know twenty twenty one was still in Chicago. 1:52:09.400 --> 1:52:12.800 There was still like like there's some protest stuff going on, 1:52:12.920 --> 1:52:15.519 because I mean there's you know, like twenty twenty hadn't 1:52:15.560 --> 1:52:18.320 quite faded yet. And there was also like our cops 1:52:18.800 --> 1:52:20.400 We've talked about this a couple times on the show, 1:52:20.400 --> 1:52:23.719 but like shot a fucking fourteen year old, like yeah, 1:52:23.880 --> 1:52:26.800 it's fucking bmurdered him cold blood. And the protests were 1:52:26.840 --> 1:52:30.240 bad enough that like even lower Lightfoot was like like 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:33.120 fuck this, like this is this Trump ice stuff. 1:52:33.120 --> 1:52:34.080 We can't let them do it. 1:52:34.600 --> 1:52:36.640 This was back with the when like these people like 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:38.840 the Democrats were started pretending that they didn't like all 1:52:38.880 --> 1:52:42.960 of these like federal deportation machine things. But the things 1:52:42.960 --> 1:52:46.680 that we have now are we have the actual This 1:52:46.760 --> 1:52:48.320 is like I think with the public most valuable part 1:52:48.360 --> 1:52:50.800 of this whole thing is that we actually have a 1:52:50.920 --> 1:52:55.479 bunch of the documents now of what they were showing people. 1:52:55.840 --> 1:52:59.840 Yeah, I'd love to see the fucking Foyer fight for this, 1:53:00.200 --> 1:53:04.599 because I have foyed the Department of Homeland Security a 1:53:04.720 --> 1:53:07.559 lot and getting any like I have a fire out 1:53:07.640 --> 1:53:11.760 right now regarding the CBP one and the fact that 1:53:11.760 --> 1:53:14.479 it doesn't work on non Apple phones, and they very 1:53:14.479 --> 1:53:17.000 clearly know this, right, Like if I know it, they 1:53:17.040 --> 1:53:19.360 know it. And I would love to know if that 1:53:19.479 --> 1:53:21.800 was from the outset that they knew and they just 1:53:21.800 --> 1:53:23.920 didn't give a fuck, Like I would like to see 1:53:23.920 --> 1:53:27.400 those emails regarding it doesn't work on Samsung. I think 1:53:27.439 --> 1:53:30.200 I think they got it from a court order. Oh okay, 1:53:30.280 --> 1:53:33.120 so they went to court to get Yeah yeah, yeah, 1:53:33.360 --> 1:53:37.439 every like people, Freedom Information Act is great, it only 1:53:37.479 --> 1:53:39.280 works if you have a lawyer who's prepared to sue 1:53:39.280 --> 1:53:43.120 over it. Like that is the especially with DHS. You're 1:53:43.200 --> 1:53:46.240 just not like, yeah, I've got stuff, so I found 1:53:46.240 --> 1:53:48.479 in twenty twenty. They'll just kick it down, kick can 1:53:48.520 --> 1:53:50.479 down the road, like yep, I'm not going to get it, 1:53:50.880 --> 1:53:53.960 but yeah, kudos to them for doing it. Yeah, it's 1:53:54.000 --> 1:53:57.000 so hard if you are a First Amendment lawyer. Hit 1:53:57.040 --> 1:53:57.360 me up. 1:53:58.360 --> 1:54:01.120 But okay, So the shit that's in this one of 1:54:01.160 --> 1:54:04.200 these things. The first page of this is maybe the 1:54:04.240 --> 1:54:07.760 most deranged chart I have ever seen in anything, which 1:54:07.800 --> 1:54:09.799 is it is It is a picture of a naked 1:54:09.840 --> 1:54:12.040 human body. Is the fronds and back of it, right, 1:54:12.479 --> 1:54:16.519 And they've labeled all of the parts of the body 1:54:17.479 --> 1:54:19.840 by and they've been. So we only have a black 1:54:19.840 --> 1:54:22.120 and white version of this, but they've they've been they've 1:54:22.160 --> 1:54:24.960 been labeled by how effective it is to hit someone 1:54:25.000 --> 1:54:25.839 there with the baton. 1:54:27.320 --> 1:54:29.840 Yeah, yeah, and they're like green in the in the 1:54:29.840 --> 1:54:33.480 actual document, they're green, yellow, and red. I guess, uh. 1:54:33.520 --> 1:54:35.800 And then it says like reasoning for the red one, 1:54:35.800 --> 1:54:39.160 I'll just read it highest level of resultant trauma injury 1:54:39.280 --> 1:54:42.640 tends to range from serious to lung lasting rather than temporary, 1:54:42.640 --> 1:54:46.320 and may include unconsciousness, serious body injury, shock, or death. 1:54:46.800 --> 1:54:50.480 So I guess like it's saying like, don't hit them 1:54:50.520 --> 1:54:53.600 in the in the in the red area. No, that's 1:54:53.600 --> 1:54:56.000 the thing. That's the thing. They're not saying that. They're 1:54:56.080 --> 1:54:57.400 just saying, these are your options. 1:54:57.480 --> 1:54:57.680 Yeah. 1:54:57.760 --> 1:54:59.160 Is so part of this is supposed to be part 1:54:59.160 --> 1:55:01.360 of like a force escal thing. But the point of 1:55:01.400 --> 1:55:03.800 this is that it is actually like they're trying to 1:55:03.840 --> 1:55:06.120 explain force escalation. And the thing is that like, yeah, 1:55:06.120 --> 1:55:07.760 you actually can do this, but you can only do 1:55:07.800 --> 1:55:09.800 this if you're in like the highest level of force. 1:55:09.640 --> 1:55:10.520 Escalation or whatever. 1:55:10.640 --> 1:55:12.720 Okay, and if any of you have ever been around 1:55:12.720 --> 1:55:14.560 a cop, you know, but those people jump to the 1:55:14.640 --> 1:55:17.720 highest level of force escalation at like, yeah, a fucking again, 1:55:17.800 --> 1:55:21.280 we have literally seen an acorn drop and it can't 1:55:21.280 --> 1:55:24.120 be able to do this, right, and so and so 1:55:24.160 --> 1:55:26.080 what they're what they're teaching these people, And this is 1:55:26.120 --> 1:55:28.560 like I think, like Genny widely horrifying. It's like, yeah, 1:55:28.800 --> 1:55:32.240 they are teaching these people like the specific technical details 1:55:32.280 --> 1:55:34.839 of how you like fucking maim someone with a baton. 1:55:35.400 --> 1:55:38.560 Yeah, I meant to reading the force escalation this is. 1:55:39.200 --> 1:55:41.240 And they actually did physical training right, like I think 1:55:41.240 --> 1:55:43.720 they did weapons training. I think they did a bunch 1:55:43.720 --> 1:55:48.040 of a bunch of simulation kind of exercises. And then 1:55:48.480 --> 1:55:50.920 if you if you scroll down, this is like a 1:55:50.960 --> 1:55:55.280 PowerPoint for those listening at home. They gave an overview 1:55:55.320 --> 1:55:58.040 of like use of force to include a bunch of 1:55:58.360 --> 1:56:01.640 Supreme Court cases. I think Supreme Court cases is certainly, yeah, 1:56:01.680 --> 1:56:05.600 Supreme Court cases about use of force. None of these 1:56:05.640 --> 1:56:07.760 apply to you as a civilian, and you know, like 1:56:07.880 --> 1:56:11.920 unless you're a sworn law enforcement officer, I guess I'm 1:56:11.920 --> 1:56:15.640 not entirely sure like what the use case for civilian 1:56:15.760 --> 1:56:20.040 baton training is aside from like, well, I mean my guess, 1:56:20.080 --> 1:56:21.360 and this is the way I've been like sort of 1:56:21.440 --> 1:56:23.520 looking at this program is that this is the thing 1:56:24.240 --> 1:56:26.760 partially being designed for PR, but it's partially also being 1:56:26.800 --> 1:56:31.080 designed to create parabilitaries that if you're in a situation 1:56:31.200 --> 1:56:34.760 like twenty twenty but about the border, for example, you 1:56:34.800 --> 1:56:37.160 suddenly have all of these people that you could just 1:56:37.280 --> 1:56:39.880 fucking call up because like part of what's going on 1:56:39.920 --> 1:56:42.440 with this too record you remember, like actually, I guess 1:56:42.440 --> 1:56:44.880 it is funnily enough, like we are we are the 1:56:44.920 --> 1:56:47.000 only two of the four hosts who didn't end up 1:56:47.440 --> 1:56:50.400 having to deal with fucking Bortak getting deployed in Portland 1:56:51.400 --> 1:56:54.880 in twenty twenty. But Bortak is border patrols like swat teams. 1:56:55.080 --> 1:56:58.640 Yeah, basically, yeah, there are stated reason is like oh 1:56:58.680 --> 1:57:00.480 so this is this is how you unders and what 1:57:00.560 --> 1:57:02.560 it's like to like be one of these people, how 1:57:02.600 --> 1:57:04.280 hot it is to be a cop, and well, like 1:57:04.320 --> 1:57:06.920 I think the actual reason again is so that you 1:57:06.960 --> 1:57:09.360 could you're training a bunch of people who you can 1:57:09.440 --> 1:57:11.880 just sort of call up and be like, we need 1:57:11.880 --> 1:57:16.480 a bunch of people to come like fucking obliterate a 1:57:16.520 --> 1:57:20.440 bunch of like protesters or whatever, help them do mass deportations. Yeah, 1:57:20.480 --> 1:57:22.440 which is another thing because like part of what this 1:57:22.480 --> 1:57:24.200 is too, is they're teaching them to do like raids 1:57:24.200 --> 1:57:26.560 on houses, right, and like how do how do like 1:57:26.600 --> 1:57:27.960 physically fucking deport people? 1:57:28.320 --> 1:57:31.960 So this is yeah, like like Trump era ICE, which 1:57:32.000 --> 1:57:34.520 were where there were open discussions of how many people 1:57:34.520 --> 1:57:36.800 can we deport, how much will it cost, how easy 1:57:36.800 --> 1:57:37.200 will it be? 1:57:37.920 --> 1:57:40.880 Yeah, and like right now, like Trump is like his 1:57:40.960 --> 1:57:43.240 big one of his big things is mass deportations. But 1:57:43.320 --> 1:57:45.120 I think people don't realize that the only reason that 1:57:45.120 --> 1:57:48.040 this stuff didn't happen under Trump was that pushback to 1:57:48.120 --> 1:57:51.240 it was so enormous. Yeah, that like like there are 1:57:51.240 --> 1:57:54.120 Democrats now who are screaming about the border who in 1:57:54.160 --> 1:57:57.800 like twenty eighteen were like sanctuary cities, ICE can't do 1:57:57.960 --> 1:58:00.600 raids here and sometimes that which sure, sometimes that was yeah, 1:58:00.640 --> 1:58:04.040 but like there was real systemic pushback to this, and 1:58:04.120 --> 1:58:09.360 I think like we're heading to a place where there 1:58:09.440 --> 1:58:13.440 isn't a kind of reaction to this anymore, where this 1:58:13.480 --> 1:58:16.840 can get really really scary really quickly. And these are 1:58:16.840 --> 1:58:19.240 the kinds of programs that you would need in order 1:58:19.280 --> 1:58:21.880 to just do actual mass deportations. Is that like, yeah, 1:58:21.920 --> 1:58:23.920 like ICE doesn't have enough people, Like they have a 1:58:23.960 --> 1:58:25.400 lot of people, but they don't have enough people to 1:58:25.440 --> 1:58:27.480 deport like several million people. 1:58:27.520 --> 1:58:28.880 You need people like this. 1:58:29.080 --> 1:58:31.360 Yeah, and the scale of this program is kind of small, 1:58:31.360 --> 1:58:34.200 but this is something that can be scaled up right, Yeah. 1:58:33.920 --> 1:58:36.800 To try and extremely large numbers of people, like fairly quickly. 1:58:37.280 --> 1:58:39.680 Yeah. You know what it reminds me of Maya products 1:58:39.680 --> 1:58:53.160 and services and support this podcast does. Yeah, all right, 1:58:53.600 --> 1:58:55.760 I hope you enjoyed this. Products and sev suits way back. 1:58:56.040 --> 1:58:57.760 Well, let's go do like the other thing they were 1:58:57.800 --> 1:58:58.360 fucking doing. 1:58:58.400 --> 1:59:00.520 Oh yeah, it's more Jesus wept. So I want to 1:59:00.560 --> 1:59:02.440 quote from the article. Yeah. Quote. 1:59:02.640 --> 1:59:05.280 Documents also contain presentations on how to shoot a gun, 1:59:05.440 --> 1:59:08.040 point at targets, and stand in position to fire. The 1:59:08.040 --> 1:59:11.920 shooting practices include military style of rifles. Likewise, A training 1:59:11.960 --> 1:59:15.160 in Atlanta organized drills to shoot at human like manikers 1:59:15.160 --> 1:59:19.000 and fires M four assault rifles employed exclusively with the military. 1:59:19.440 --> 1:59:19.920 The training. 1:59:19.920 --> 1:59:23.920 Also included isis guidelines for use of force encompassing deadly force. 1:59:24.400 --> 1:59:27.880 One presentation suggests yelling drop the gun as potential cover 1:59:28.000 --> 1:59:31.960 when employing lethal force against someone. So they're telling it 1:59:32.000 --> 1:59:33.520 and this is definitely supposed to be thinking like, oh 1:59:33.520 --> 1:59:37.919 if you're in playing clothes, like you fucking yell police 1:59:38.000 --> 1:59:40.920 and yell drop your gun and then you shoot them 1:59:41.120 --> 1:59:42.920 and this is how you get away with it. So 1:59:43.040 --> 1:59:46.400 like they are straight up teaching people how to murder people, 1:59:46.680 --> 1:59:47.920 like how to get away with murder. 1:59:48.160 --> 1:59:53.360 That's what's happening here. Yeah, wild yeah, Like the government's 1:59:53.440 --> 1:59:56.800 offered firearms trading for civilians, like that's kind of what 1:59:57.120 --> 2:00:00.200 the NRA wasn't a government initiative, but like, yeah, this 2:00:00.320 --> 2:00:02.800 is not that. This is not like, No, I would 2:00:03.000 --> 2:00:05.320 broadly be in favor of the government funding free gun 2:00:05.360 --> 2:00:08.000 safety classes for people, because I've seen some shit with 2:00:08.840 --> 2:00:10.520 you know, like that would be one of the useful things. 2:00:10.960 --> 2:00:11.760 But this is not that. 2:00:12.400 --> 2:00:14.800 No, And like and like the reason those specific classes 2:00:14.880 --> 2:00:17.280 like don't look like that anymore is because, and I've 2:00:17.280 --> 2:00:20.000 talked about this in some of the episodes on them 2:00:20.040 --> 2:00:22.280 Okay assassination, it's like, well, yeah, when the government taught 2:00:22.280 --> 2:00:23.760 a bunch of people how to use rifles, those people 2:00:23.840 --> 2:00:26.720 use those rifles to like fight the cops in the streets. 2:00:26.760 --> 2:00:29.320 Yeah right yeah, and now they're all this insane shit 2:00:29.360 --> 2:00:31.120 that's like teaching people how to get away with murder 2:00:31.160 --> 2:00:33.480 of their cop or like, I want to read a 2:00:33.520 --> 2:00:36.560 PowerPoint slide from that from that thing, because it's it's 2:00:36.600 --> 2:00:39.080 the most deranged thing I've ever seen. 2:00:39.640 --> 2:00:41.880 Have you read the Graham versus Connor one, because it's 2:00:41.920 --> 2:00:44.400 one of the more powerful uses of passive voice I've 2:00:44.400 --> 2:00:47.080 ever seen. Oh no, I haven't seen that yet. Let 2:00:47.160 --> 2:00:49.280 me read that while you look for yours. This one 2:00:49.680 --> 2:00:53.920 is just incredible instance of cops speak. Graham Comma diabetic. 2:00:54.080 --> 2:00:57.280 Comma asks friend to drive him to convenience store for juice. 2:00:57.880 --> 2:01:01.080 Good like cop sentences here, ran in and out of store. 2:01:01.200 --> 2:01:06.240 Comma also observed the suspicious activity. What suspicious activity, dear listener, 2:01:06.640 --> 2:01:10.440 I don't know. We left to imagine. Investigative stopped made 2:01:10.760 --> 2:01:15.640 and Graham was handcuffed by whom doesn't say weird. Graham 2:01:15.680 --> 2:01:20.200 received multiple injuries during the encounter with police, Like someone 2:01:20.280 --> 2:01:22.560 gave him the fucking injuries? Was it the cop? 2:01:23.440 --> 2:01:27.200 It's just an incredible use of passive voice here throughout. Yeah, 2:01:27.240 --> 2:01:30.000 there's this great tweet that was like, the US has 2:01:30.560 --> 2:01:32.760 a passive voice, in an active voice and a special 2:01:32.840 --> 2:01:34.040 exonerative voice. 2:01:34.440 --> 2:01:35.560 It's only used for. 2:01:37.120 --> 2:01:40.720 Yeah, yeah, Israel gets the exerative voice. 2:01:41.160 --> 2:01:42.960 It rails in the Greater cop Nation. 2:01:43.680 --> 2:01:44.680 Yeah. 2:01:44.760 --> 2:01:46.600 Yeah, and like also one of the things that I 2:01:46.600 --> 2:01:48.560 don't think people understand on the Streme Court is like 2:01:48.840 --> 2:01:51.800 if you think that like Supreme Court rulings about abortions 2:01:51.840 --> 2:01:54.520 are bad, like then they are right. But like, if 2:01:54.520 --> 2:01:56.480 you think those things are bad, look up the Supreme 2:01:56.520 --> 2:01:59.360 Court cases about police use of force. You will get 2:02:00.080 --> 2:02:03.160 will get nine no decisions with like all of like 2:02:03.200 --> 2:02:06.760 fucking like like fucking Thurgood Marshall will be signing on 2:02:06.800 --> 2:02:08.880 to like a nine O thing where he says that 2:02:08.920 --> 2:02:10.400 cops have the right to just like shoot you in 2:02:10.440 --> 2:02:11.880 the back of the head because they couldn't shoot you 2:02:11.880 --> 2:02:14.480 in the back of the head like that the police 2:02:14.480 --> 2:02:17.880 couldn't function. It's it's fucking dranged, like the kind of 2:02:17.880 --> 2:02:19.800 shit they have. Okay, I want to read I want 2:02:19.800 --> 2:02:22.480 to read the slide because it's it's amazing. It's just 2:02:22.520 --> 2:02:25.880 a giant letters. It says survival and then there's like 2:02:25.920 --> 2:02:29.160 bullet points and the bullet points are never give up, 2:02:29.640 --> 2:02:32.840 never concede defeat. I will not die this way. I 2:02:32.920 --> 2:02:35.600 must go home to my family. How you trade is 2:02:35.600 --> 2:02:36.640 how you will fight. 2:02:40.160 --> 2:02:42.240 Just imagining that the you know, the person who I 2:02:42.280 --> 2:02:43.720 go to at the bank when I need to take 2:02:43.720 --> 2:02:45.560 out large amounts of cash to go on one of 2:02:45.560 --> 2:02:53.560 my work trips, learning that I will not die this way. 2:02:53.240 --> 2:02:54.960 Okay, So that that that's basically what I have about 2:02:54.960 --> 2:02:57.280 this program, other than the bleak note that on on 2:02:57.320 --> 2:02:58.840 a pr level, these people one right. 2:02:58.920 --> 2:03:01.000 They didn't They didn't win because of anything they did. 2:03:01.000 --> 2:03:04.680 They won because the Democrats decided that they fucking hated immigrants, 2:03:04.680 --> 2:03:08.120 and because views of integration are largely driven by by 2:03:08.200 --> 2:03:10.880 party politics, are driven by what your party tells you 2:03:11.000 --> 2:03:14.720 about immigrants, Like, yeah, all the support that had been 2:03:14.760 --> 2:03:19.680 built in the late twenty tens has evaporated, and yeah, even. 2:03:19.600 --> 2:03:22.520 Like I did a thing for my Patreon yesterday then 2:03:22.560 --> 2:03:25.200 made me think of this, Like I was trying to 2:03:25.240 --> 2:03:27.680 just do a sort of listing of Joe Biden's immigration 2:03:27.760 --> 2:03:30.360 policies right from twenty twenty one to present, and like 2:03:30.880 --> 2:03:34.000 twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, I was selling stories 2:03:34.000 --> 2:03:38.480 to NBC, to Slate, to the nation right about Haitian migration, 2:03:38.920 --> 2:03:43.600 about Title forty two, about remain in Mexico, about especial 2:03:43.600 --> 2:03:47.320 immigrant visas for Afghans, and after twenty twenty two, you 2:03:47.360 --> 2:03:49.080 don't even get a response to your email. You know, 2:03:49.120 --> 2:03:51.520 the same shit keeps having. Twenty twenty three is the 2:03:51.600 --> 2:03:53.280 end of title forty two. Right, So when we see 2:03:53.320 --> 2:03:56.839 the beginning of out door detention, arguably the most heinous 2:03:56.880 --> 2:03:59.280 shit that the Biden administration has done, and it's sounds 2:03:59.280 --> 2:04:03.000 some pretty heanish it. I mean, genocide is worse, evidently, 2:04:03.360 --> 2:04:05.720 but on the on the border, this is the worst. Yeah, 2:04:06.320 --> 2:04:09.880 some of its worst domestic policy. And you just can't 2:04:09.920 --> 2:04:12.680 tell stories. Literally, every time I post about this on Twitter, 2:04:12.720 --> 2:04:14.160 people will be like, what the fuck? Why didn't I 2:04:14.200 --> 2:04:17.280 read about this? Because an editor made a choice that 2:04:17.320 --> 2:04:20.680 they didn't matter, that the people out there in the 2:04:20.680 --> 2:04:22.360 cold and the wind at the rain didn't matter, and 2:04:22.400 --> 2:04:25.800 that they don't have rights because AOC or Joe Biden 2:04:25.880 --> 2:04:27.840 Orkamala Harris decided that that was how it was going 2:04:27.920 --> 2:04:32.240 to be, And apparently every corporate media outlet just kind 2:04:32.240 --> 2:04:34.000 of stepped in line and went, yeah, fucking we don't 2:04:34.000 --> 2:04:36.400 care anymore. Yeah, it's pretty bad. 2:04:37.360 --> 2:04:39.680 Yeah, they've achieved their stated aim and they're not moving 2:04:39.680 --> 2:04:51.120 on to their unstated aim, which is mass deportations. All right, 2:04:51.240 --> 2:04:53.600 we're back everything I know about the program that you 2:04:53.600 --> 2:04:55.560 were about to talk about comes from you, and that 2:04:55.720 --> 2:04:57.440 is oh. 2:04:57.360 --> 2:05:01.680 Boy, it's not good. All right. So I'm going to 2:05:01.720 --> 2:05:05.200 read you a small story here, and then we're going 2:05:05.240 --> 2:05:06.960 to talk about whether or not it's a good idea 2:05:07.040 --> 2:05:09.960 for the Border Patrol to have programs for children, Okay, 2:05:10.400 --> 2:05:13.520 And then I gave a content warning for sexual assault 2:05:13.880 --> 2:05:16.480 of children. I'm just in kiitch. You don't want to 2:05:16.480 --> 2:05:19.560 listen to this. In August of this year, Aaron Mitchell, 2:05:19.720 --> 2:05:22.919 a former CBP agent, was found guilty of a federal 2:05:22.960 --> 2:05:27.280 civil rights violation and also kidnapping. On April the fifth, 2:05:27.360 --> 2:05:30.520 twenty twenty two, in Douglas, Arizona, Mitchell found a fifteen 2:05:30.600 --> 2:05:32.840 year old girl waiting for school to begin, and for 2:05:32.880 --> 2:05:34.560 this next part, I'm just going to read directly from 2:05:34.560 --> 2:05:37.680 the Department of Justice presser. He introduced himself as the 2:05:37.760 --> 2:05:41.480 law enforcement officer and asked for her papers. Next, after 2:05:41.520 --> 2:05:44.680 flashing his police badge and credentials, Mitchell ordered the child 2:05:44.720 --> 2:05:46.840 into his car and explained that he was taking her 2:05:46.840 --> 2:05:51.120 to the police station. Instead, Mitchell drove the car miles 2:05:51.120 --> 2:05:53.720 away from her school, pulled over, and restrained her hands 2:05:53.760 --> 2:05:57.080 and feet with two pairs of handcuffs. The victim testified 2:05:57.120 --> 2:05:59.760 that after being handcuffs, the defendant told her to do 2:05:59.760 --> 2:06:02.000 every I think he said because he didn't want to 2:06:02.040 --> 2:06:04.440 have to hurt her. I'm not going to describe the 2:06:04.520 --> 2:06:07.520 next by in detail. He repeatedly sexually assaulted this young 2:06:07.520 --> 2:06:12.600 women fucking christ in his apartment, then returned her to 2:06:12.640 --> 2:06:15.879 the middle school where he had abducted her, and reminded 2:06:15.880 --> 2:06:20.080 her not to tell anyone. Fortunately, she immediately reported the 2:06:20.120 --> 2:06:23.800 abduction to her friends, family members, and multiple law enforcement agencies. 2:06:24.680 --> 2:06:28.040 During an interview with the police, a defendant exclaim exclaimed 2:06:28.040 --> 2:06:30.040 that the victim had better hope I don't get out 2:06:30.040 --> 2:06:32.800 of here, which is an insane thing to say when 2:06:32.840 --> 2:06:36.920 you're being interviewed by the police. Yeah. He also googled 2:06:37.080 --> 2:06:40.880 several times for how long does it take to smug someone? 2:06:41.320 --> 2:06:43.840 And he googled a lot about sexual assault, how to 2:06:43.840 --> 2:06:46.280 stop someone from screaming. It's some of the darkest shit 2:06:46.600 --> 2:06:49.680 fuck you're ever going to read. Yeah, oh my god. 2:06:50.320 --> 2:06:53.840 This is one of the relatively few instances of a 2:06:53.880 --> 2:06:58.000 Border Patrol agent actually being convicted of sexual assault. Sexual 2:06:58.000 --> 2:07:00.520 assault is a massive fucking problem in the Border Patrol, 2:07:00.880 --> 2:07:03.040 and the fact that it's such a big problem and 2:07:03.080 --> 2:07:05.720 people get away with it is why we get shit 2:07:05.800 --> 2:07:08.920 that is horrific, Like the incident that I've just related 2:07:08.920 --> 2:07:12.480 to you right in twenty nineteen. I don't know if 2:07:12.520 --> 2:07:14.280 you remember this, but there was a pro publicer thing 2:07:14.440 --> 2:07:18.160 about this Facebook group which had nine five hundred agents 2:07:18.200 --> 2:07:21.320 in it. The Facebook group they proted videos of migrant desks, 2:07:21.440 --> 2:07:24.680 their children, and rape fantasies, as well as doctored images, 2:07:24.760 --> 2:07:29.240 including ghost images of AFC. At the time Karla provoked, 2:07:29.320 --> 2:07:33.120 the Border Patrol chief condemned the group as inappropriate. Shortly thereafter, 2:07:33.120 --> 2:07:34.760 the intercept reveal that she had been a member of 2:07:34.800 --> 2:07:40.560 it for years. Yep, just classics, dove right. Border Patrol 2:07:40.880 --> 2:07:44.560 has consistently failed to hold its offices to account for rape. 2:07:44.920 --> 2:07:46.920 Like if you want to read more about this, Jen Bud, 2:07:47.120 --> 2:07:49.920 She's been on the show before, is the person to 2:07:49.960 --> 2:07:52.240 go to about this. I'm also going to include in 2:07:52.280 --> 2:07:55.560 the show notes links to a story about a Border 2:07:55.560 --> 2:07:58.480 Ptrol agent who was sexually assaulted at the academy, which 2:07:58.520 --> 2:08:00.800 I know is a thing that is not unique to her. 2:08:00.880 --> 2:08:03.440 This is this is a problem. Border Patrol is ninety 2:08:03.480 --> 2:08:07.080 five percent male at this point. They call the women 2:08:07.120 --> 2:08:11.800 the Fierce five percent. But it's like it's probably the 2:08:11.840 --> 2:08:16.000 most like gender biased of the federal agencies, Like Border 2:08:16.000 --> 2:08:18.600 patrol agents by and large, like do not do well 2:08:18.640 --> 2:08:21.480 around women. This is something I've observed, this is something 2:08:21.520 --> 2:08:26.240 other volunteers have observed, Like it's such a like masculine agency, 2:08:26.280 --> 2:08:28.200 I guess, and they just don't encounter women in a 2:08:28.200 --> 2:08:31.880 professional capacity very often. So I think with this in mind, 2:08:32.000 --> 2:08:34.720 I want to talk about the Border Patrol Explorers, Right. 2:08:35.520 --> 2:08:38.560 It's a youth program that teaches kids the skills of 2:08:38.560 --> 2:08:43.080 a patrol agent from as young as forty fucking crust. Yeah, 2:08:43.920 --> 2:08:47.360 what's really weird. There's been very little coverage. The two 2:08:47.440 --> 2:08:49.880 places I would send people these will be in the notes, 2:08:49.920 --> 2:08:52.120 would be Morley Music write a really good piece in 2:08:52.120 --> 2:08:56.040 the Nation, and Todd Miller's book Border Patrol Nation, which 2:08:56.200 --> 2:08:58.560 is a book that everyone should read. I think really 2:08:58.680 --> 2:09:01.640 like details the beginning of how Border patrol became what 2:09:01.680 --> 2:09:04.000 it is today. Those are really two of the very 2:09:04.000 --> 2:09:06.720 few places you'd read about it. The training that they 2:09:06.760 --> 2:09:11.480 do is insane. They'll learn firearms drills, they learn to 2:09:11.600 --> 2:09:15.400 do checkpoints, they learned to make arrests. I'm going to 2:09:15.440 --> 2:09:19.120 read from an interview from Monie Music's piece, Fabian explained 2:09:19.240 --> 2:09:22.800 why his posts would practice shooting sometimes and then this 2:09:22.840 --> 2:09:26.920 is like parentheses. Undocumented migrants are not compliant when we 2:09:26.960 --> 2:09:29.280 find them. He said, they paid all this money to 2:09:29.320 --> 2:09:31.960 get here to start another life. They're just not going 2:09:31.960 --> 2:09:34.760 to give up when they see us. Some would fight back, 2:09:35.080 --> 2:09:37.480 some would be compliant. Maybe they tried to kill you 2:09:37.600 --> 2:09:40.040 or threaten you. Sometimes they pick up an element a 2:09:40.160 --> 2:09:42.400 rock lying around anything, and that could be used to 2:09:42.480 --> 2:09:45.240 kill you. This is not the stuff that fourteen year 2:09:45.280 --> 2:09:47.640 olds should be reckoning with, right. Yeah. 2:09:47.760 --> 2:09:50.920 This is also like I know people have done the 2:09:51.240 --> 2:09:54.000 like connect the border to Palestine things so much that 2:09:54.040 --> 2:09:57.800 it's like hackneyed, but like that is straight up that 2:09:57.840 --> 2:10:01.080 could be lifted from a press release, like from the 2:10:01.120 --> 2:10:04.240 idea Yeah, yeah, about why they shot someone. Yeah, and 2:10:04.280 --> 2:10:06.320 it's like, yeah, I mean, you shouldn't be teaching anyone this. 2:10:06.440 --> 2:10:09.600 You especially shouldn't be eating fourteen year olds. Yeah, that 2:10:09.760 --> 2:10:11.680 someone might throw a rock at them and that's a 2:10:11.720 --> 2:10:13.840 reasonable way people had gone and shoot them. 2:10:14.080 --> 2:10:16.200 Yeah, Like if you back that into your mind at fourteen, 2:10:16.240 --> 2:10:18.320 I would argue that makes you very unsuitable to carry 2:10:18.320 --> 2:10:21.320 a gun in public. Later in life. Kids start out 2:10:21.320 --> 2:10:25.240 by doing this kind of boot camp style academy, and 2:10:25.280 --> 2:10:28.680 then they pretty much begin doing stuff like drill PT 2:10:29.480 --> 2:10:33.360 they practice, conducting vehicle stops and tracking Border Patrol. On 2:10:33.400 --> 2:10:35.839 their website, they claim to have more than seven hundred Explorers, 2:10:35.880 --> 2:10:38.640 but over twenty eight posts around the country, it's very 2:10:38.640 --> 2:10:42.480 hard to find anything about them. Like, it's not something 2:10:42.480 --> 2:10:44.080 that they talk about a great deal. You have to 2:10:44.120 --> 2:10:46.480 sort of apply. I looked at how one would apply. 2:10:46.520 --> 2:10:49.080 It's one in Santa Sedra, Right. You sort of fill 2:10:49.120 --> 2:10:51.240 out this form and you get some kind of clearance 2:10:52.040 --> 2:10:54.600 and then I'm guessing they're checking that people are eligible 2:10:54.640 --> 2:10:56.520 to be hired by Border Patrol. 2:10:56.600 --> 2:10:56.760 Right. 2:10:57.040 --> 2:10:59.200 But if there is data on how many of these 2:10:59.280 --> 2:11:01.920 kids go on to hired by BP, I haven't found it, 2:11:02.000 --> 2:11:04.960 but I did find one. I think this is again 2:11:05.000 --> 2:11:08.520 from Morley Music's piece when extremely amusing incident the Douglas 2:11:08.560 --> 2:11:11.000 Arizona chapters. The Explorers teamed up with a local high 2:11:11.000 --> 2:11:17.200 school drama club and they had the kids play migrantsios. Yeah, 2:11:17.240 --> 2:11:21.160 Jesus Christ, many of these people will themselves be like 2:11:21.280 --> 2:11:23.960 first generation or like a. 2:11:26.440 --> 2:11:31.840 Wild anyway, the country cannot be allowed to continue imagine, like, 2:11:31.920 --> 2:11:34.560 what are we doing at school today? 2:11:34.120 --> 2:11:36.840 The theater kids are going to get arrested by the 2:11:37.320 --> 2:11:42.200 border patrol kids. Jesus Christ. Some of the theater kids 2:11:42.760 --> 2:11:45.760 got really into character. One of them cried, I guess 2:11:46.240 --> 2:11:49.160 several of them managed to avoid arrest and give the 2:11:49.200 --> 2:11:55.120 young agents the slip, and then they got told by 2:11:55.200 --> 2:11:57.880 the agents overseeing the exercise that they've done it wrong 2:12:00.920 --> 2:12:03.120 because they outsmarted the junior gobs. 2:12:03.240 --> 2:12:05.880 There's a story I can't remember what fucking town it 2:12:05.880 --> 2:12:08.160 was in like the fifties, that the Army was running 2:12:08.240 --> 2:12:12.400 these like infiltration drills where they would like have a 2:12:12.440 --> 2:12:14.320 town and they talk to people to town. They'd be like, Okay, 2:12:14.320 --> 2:12:17.480 we're gonna like unleash like a communist diversive agent into 2:12:17.480 --> 2:12:19.440 the town and then you're gonna help the army capture them. 2:12:19.720 --> 2:12:21.640 And it said, what happens, everyone has hit the agent 2:12:21.720 --> 2:12:25.920 because I just had a great time like stuff. 2:12:27.040 --> 2:12:30.800 Yeah, that is the American spirit. It's it's the people 2:12:30.840 --> 2:12:33.760 of Dugs Arizona. We salute you. One of the things 2:12:33.760 --> 2:12:36.440 I found really interesting in in the morning music piece 2:12:36.560 --> 2:12:40.760 was this idea of like defensive asylum only being for criminals, 2:12:40.760 --> 2:12:43.120 so it seems like the students learned this very binary 2:12:43.520 --> 2:12:46.680 immigration law. Where defensive asylum, which is when you claim 2:12:46.720 --> 2:12:50.400 asylum as a defense against being deported. Yeah, it's only 2:12:50.440 --> 2:12:53.360 for people who are criminals versus affirmative asylum. It's for 2:12:53.400 --> 2:12:56.160 the people who like really needed or whatever, we fast 2:12:56.200 --> 2:13:00.920 forward making an affirmative asylum claim. It's extreme seemly difficult 2:13:01.000 --> 2:13:04.560 right now. Yeah, you know, I spoke to one hundred 2:13:04.640 --> 2:13:08.000 people who wanted to come to this country in the Darien. 2:13:08.440 --> 2:13:10.800 Every single one of those people told me that they 2:13:10.880 --> 2:13:13.200 wanted to use CBP one, that they wanted to do 2:13:13.240 --> 2:13:15.480 it the correct way, that they wanted to wait their 2:13:15.480 --> 2:13:18.920 turn and do an interview. But like every single one 2:13:18.920 --> 2:13:20.640 of those people is now reckoning with the fact that 2:13:20.680 --> 2:13:23.440 if they can make CVP want work on their phone, 2:13:23.480 --> 2:13:26.120 they will wake eight or nine months in Mexico. That 2:13:26.280 --> 2:13:28.080 is not a safe place if you're a woman on 2:13:28.120 --> 2:13:30.600 your own, God forbid, if you're a trans woman or 2:13:30.640 --> 2:13:34.120 a gay person like aside from like within certain communities, 2:13:34.160 --> 2:13:35.920 it's not a safe place. I think Mexico is the 2:13:35.960 --> 2:13:39.800 second highest rate of killings of trans people anywhere in 2:13:39.840 --> 2:13:43.080 the world. Yeah, I think Brazil is maybe more. Yeah, 2:13:43.440 --> 2:13:44.760 I think is the highest. I don't know if that's 2:13:44.760 --> 2:13:47.080 like raw numbers because Brazil is a bigger country, or 2:13:47.120 --> 2:13:50.320 if it's like stags the population. Yeah, my memory is 2:13:50.320 --> 2:13:53.440 that it's the rate, but I'm not harm so sure 2:13:53.520 --> 2:13:56.560 either way. That people who are coming to be safe 2:13:56.800 --> 2:13:58.680 or not to be in a place where they're in danger, 2:13:58.960 --> 2:14:03.520 and that is what they right. And so undoubtedly some 2:14:03.600 --> 2:14:06.240 of those people who wanted to come the right way 2:14:06.720 --> 2:14:10.560 will cross between ports of entry, they will surrender themselves 2:14:10.560 --> 2:14:13.040 to border patrol and if they get a chance to 2:14:13.080 --> 2:14:16.320 file for asylum at all, because it's it's a shout 2:14:16.360 --> 2:14:18.720 test now. But there are numerous incidents that I've seen 2:14:18.720 --> 2:14:21.560 described in court cases of people doing what sounds to 2:14:21.600 --> 2:14:24.200 me like asserting an asylum claim and not having a 2:14:24.280 --> 2:14:27.120 chance to then make their case. If they do at all, 2:14:27.160 --> 2:14:30.360 it'll be defensive asylum, right. And these are the people 2:14:30.360 --> 2:14:34.280 who are like textbook asylum places, you know, like I 2:14:34.280 --> 2:14:36.040 am a trans person in a place where that might 2:14:36.080 --> 2:14:39.320 well be punishable by death, the facto of du jure right, 2:14:39.400 --> 2:14:42.400 I am a political dissident in a country where my 2:14:42.440 --> 2:14:45.680 political views would be a reason to kill me. I 2:14:45.680 --> 2:14:49.600 am a woman from Iran, who doesn't wear hijab, nicab whatever, 2:14:50.120 --> 2:14:54.920 you know, Like these are like why asylum exists. There 2:14:54.920 --> 2:14:57.080 are lots of people who deserve a help who are 2:14:57.080 --> 2:14:59.160 not covered by these little buckets that we put people 2:14:59.160 --> 2:15:02.600 in to asylum. But even people who are who falls 2:15:02.680 --> 2:15:06.360 but slap in the middle of what your average Midwestern 2:15:06.440 --> 2:15:08.720 liberal dad would be like, Yeah, that's an asylum case. 2:15:08.760 --> 2:15:12.360 We should help that person. Yeah they have to come 2:15:12.520 --> 2:15:14.280 and they fare the defense of asylum, and like that's 2:15:14.320 --> 2:15:17.920 what we're teaching. I guess these border patrol kids that 2:15:17.960 --> 2:15:20.400 these are these are the quite unquite bad guys and 2:15:20.480 --> 2:15:24.080 they're not and yeah, they they're doing this sort of 2:15:24.160 --> 2:15:27.120 twenty eight posts. It's just one. I read a terrible 2:15:27.120 --> 2:15:30.560 account of a young woman who was sexually abused by 2:15:30.560 --> 2:15:33.839 a cop in a police Explorer program. Like these Explorer 2:15:33.880 --> 2:15:38.200 programs go all across law enforcement. They are administered by 2:15:38.480 --> 2:15:42.160 the Boy Scouts of America. They have a serious problem 2:15:42.320 --> 2:15:45.240 with abuse of young people as serious problem, and it 2:15:45.280 --> 2:15:47.320 seems like it's not getting I mean, it does get 2:15:47.360 --> 2:15:50.960 some coverage like this, this piece about the agent in 2:15:51.000 --> 2:15:53.520 Douglas got some coverage, right, the piece about this this cop. 2:15:53.560 --> 2:15:56.000 But like, I mean, look at this country. We still 2:15:56.040 --> 2:15:58.400 have the Catholic Church. Just because people abuse kids doesn't 2:15:58.440 --> 2:16:01.400 mean they get shut down. But like, yeah, I don't, don't, 2:16:01.400 --> 2:16:03.360 don't send your kids. I guess you're listening to this. 2:16:03.400 --> 2:16:05.480 You're quite unlikely to send your kids to be junior cops. 2:16:05.480 --> 2:16:10.000 But like, I get young people living in small towns 2:16:10.040 --> 2:16:13.680 on the border who don't have many economic opportunities. I 2:16:13.760 --> 2:16:15.800 know those towns. I spend a lot of time in 2:16:15.840 --> 2:16:19.880 those towns, And I get that the guys who joined 2:16:19.880 --> 2:16:23.120 Border Patrol, they have big trucks, they have nice houses, 2:16:23.240 --> 2:16:26.280 right that it's one of the few areas of economic opportunity. 2:16:26.320 --> 2:16:28.640 I get that none of that is worth having your 2:16:28.680 --> 2:16:31.360 kid abused. And like I'm not saying that, of course 2:16:31.440 --> 2:16:33.840 all of these programs resulting child abuse, they don't, but 2:16:33.959 --> 2:16:36.760 like law enforcement explorer programs absolutely have a problem with 2:16:36.840 --> 2:16:37.440 child abuse. 2:16:37.600 --> 2:16:40.959 And yeah, yeah, there was a whole thing in like 2:16:40.959 --> 2:16:44.560 the last couple of years about this happening in tousion 2:16:44.560 --> 2:16:48.400 facilities in Chicago, or in facilities things that were supposed 2:16:48.400 --> 2:16:52.440 to be like now figurant housing, and that got reported. Yeah, Weirdly, Weirdly, 2:16:52.480 --> 2:16:54.840 the Chicago proces has actually been pretty good on immigration stuff. 2:16:54.840 --> 2:16:58.240 But it's literally solely because they hate Brandon Johnson, and 2:16:58.280 --> 2:17:01.039 Brandon Johnson's the one running it. Because of this, we've 2:17:01.080 --> 2:17:05.279 actually gotten a bunch of good good reporting that accident. 2:17:05.720 --> 2:17:09.160 Yeah yeah, in many such cases. But yeah, like the 2:17:09.200 --> 2:17:11.000 culture of border patrol is not one. 2:17:10.840 --> 2:17:13.400 That you want to be introducing your child too. Yeah, 2:17:13.440 --> 2:17:16.240 absolutely not. You know, I would really encourage people to 2:17:16.280 --> 2:17:18.640 read Todd's book Border Patrol Nation, like he talks about 2:17:18.680 --> 2:17:21.879 this use of They invented a new slur, which you 2:17:21.920 --> 2:17:24.560 know is cool. Good for them for expanding the English language. 2:17:24.560 --> 2:17:28.480 I guess they call people tonks. Oh yeah, yeah, some 2:17:28.600 --> 2:17:30.600 noise that makes when you hit someone on the head 2:17:30.600 --> 2:17:31.920 with your torch, your flashlight. 2:17:32.160 --> 2:17:36.840 Yeah yeah, just really great stuff. Some of the worst 2:17:36.840 --> 2:17:37.920 people who've ever lived. 2:17:38.320 --> 2:17:40.600 Yeah, don't don't volunteer to be a cop. Don't do 2:17:40.640 --> 2:17:42.959 it for money either. Like that's what I got for you. 2:17:43.160 --> 2:17:45.800 Yeah yeah, I think I think that's all we've got 2:17:46.040 --> 2:17:46.640 for today. 2:17:46.879 --> 2:17:49.280 Yeah. Shit fucking sucks. I don't know. 2:17:49.320 --> 2:17:53.279 We gave you, we gave you some less depressing episodes. 2:17:53.320 --> 2:17:56.160 But yeah, now we're back, we're in your week. Actually, 2:17:56.200 --> 2:17:58.800 I could promise I could promise tomorrow's episode is going 2:17:58.840 --> 2:18:02.320 to be a lot brighter for this one. Yeah, come 2:18:02.360 --> 2:18:04.200 back tomorrow to be less worribly depressed. 2:18:04.360 --> 2:18:06.560 Yeah, I got nothing good for you coming up for 2:18:06.640 --> 2:18:08.800 the near future. To be honest, I'm rite I think 2:18:08.840 --> 2:18:13.080 about the Darien Gap and having to take little walks outside. Yeah, yeah, 2:18:13.320 --> 2:18:14.000 dire for a walk. 2:18:34.240 --> 2:18:37.680 There's nothing wrong with your podcast feed. This is prop 2:18:38.120 --> 2:18:42.800 and I am invading that it can happen here podcasts. 2:18:42.840 --> 2:18:46.040 To the four or five of y'all in the subreddit 2:18:46.120 --> 2:18:48.440 that can't stand my voice and say I'm the most 2:18:48.480 --> 2:18:53.640 annoying person in the Cool Zone extended universe, I apologize. 2:18:53.920 --> 2:18:55.879 My mama used to say, be who you is, because 2:18:55.879 --> 2:18:57.160 who you ain't a who he is. 2:18:58.200 --> 2:19:00.920 We're gonna talk about some things, specifically coffee and how 2:19:01.080 --> 2:19:03.360 your children will probably never be able to drink the 2:19:03.400 --> 2:19:07.199 coffee that you have drank because climate change bounds. But 2:19:07.240 --> 2:19:11.000 before we do, I'm also realizing how many singers in 2:19:11.040 --> 2:19:14.039 the eighties was singing the teenagers to children. 2:19:14.680 --> 2:19:18.440 You know the absolute banger of a song If I. 2:19:18.400 --> 2:19:24.199 Could fly, I pick you up, I take you into 2:19:24.440 --> 2:19:29.760 the night, great song right and show you love that 2:19:29.959 --> 2:19:31.199 you live. 2:19:31.760 --> 2:19:32.680 See do you. 2:19:32.680 --> 2:19:36.520 Know what The first lyric in that song is she's. 2:19:35.920 --> 2:19:42.600 Only sixteen years old, leave her alone? Unless he wasn't 2:19:42.640 --> 2:19:47.000 a teenager just openly singing, what was we thinking? 2:19:47.320 --> 2:19:48.959 Freaking bel biv devout. 2:19:48.720 --> 2:19:54.400 In dude may babe backstage, underage, gotta leggat. 2:19:54.760 --> 2:19:57.440 I fly, I like to do the wild thing. 2:19:58.280 --> 2:19:58.920 Oh you're. 2:20:00.640 --> 2:20:03.440 We were just openly singing the kids. Let me get 2:20:03.480 --> 2:20:06.680 back on topic, because not only could. 2:20:06.560 --> 2:20:08.680 It happen here, it is happening here. 2:20:09.120 --> 2:20:10.680 So you may or may not know me. 2:20:11.040 --> 2:20:15.600 I am Los Angeles born and raised our host politics 2:20:15.600 --> 2:20:19.680 with Prop Coules on media team, and I am your 2:20:19.760 --> 2:20:22.879 resident coffee nerd, and a lot of that grew out 2:20:22.879 --> 2:20:25.880 of just a natural passion for coffee, which you will 2:20:25.879 --> 2:20:28.200 hear me gush about later. But I think I'm going 2:20:28.240 --> 2:20:31.240 to back into this topic with back that thing up 2:20:31.280 --> 2:20:32.879 with the story from a few years back. 2:20:32.920 --> 2:20:34.480 See a few years back, I had. 2:20:34.360 --> 2:20:37.840 A chance to put out a poetry book called Terrorform, 2:20:37.879 --> 2:20:42.480 building a Liverpool World, and Terrorform also had four musical 2:20:42.520 --> 2:20:46.520 EP seven song EPs called the Sky, the Soil, the People, 2:20:46.959 --> 2:20:49.400 and the Possibility. And while I was working on the Soil, 2:20:49.520 --> 2:20:51.720 I had a chance to partner with one of the 2:20:52.240 --> 2:20:54.240 I mean really it's like, I don't know if there's 2:20:54.280 --> 2:20:57.240 a better roaster in America called Onyx believe it. 2:20:57.320 --> 2:21:00.480 Or not, in Northwest Arkansas. 2:21:00.720 --> 2:21:04.959 And in a collab sort of coffee release we were 2:21:04.959 --> 2:21:10.000 doing in partnership with Mirror, which is a drinkwaar company 2:21:10.160 --> 2:21:12.400 I'm also an ambassador for. We had a chance to 2:21:12.400 --> 2:21:15.360 go to Colombia and if you've if you've been to 2:21:15.440 --> 2:21:19.200 South America or anywhere close to the equator, it's I mean, 2:21:19.400 --> 2:21:23.760 you're walking into the Avatar, you know, minus the aliens. 2:21:23.879 --> 2:21:28.240 It's this raw sort of earth that us in the 2:21:28.280 --> 2:21:32.800 northern hemisphere. It's just colors of green that you just 2:21:32.879 --> 2:21:36.600 can't imagine that, Like our pantones have yet to match 2:21:37.160 --> 2:21:41.640 the type of green in a forest that has to 2:21:41.720 --> 2:21:46.320 be a certain amount of miles above sea level for 2:21:46.440 --> 2:21:48.080 it to grow coffee. 2:21:48.640 --> 2:21:51.560 So we fly into Bogata. 2:21:52.040 --> 2:21:55.080 We go about an hour and a half outside of 2:21:55.080 --> 2:21:57.400 the city, which normally when you go to Origin it's 2:21:57.440 --> 2:22:01.000 like you have to like take a rickety a helicopter 2:22:01.879 --> 2:22:05.640 or traverse twelve hours into you know, an African jungle, 2:22:05.879 --> 2:22:09.040 which is like not the most plush riding, but it's 2:22:09.080 --> 2:22:13.119 just it's this beautiful South American you know, Colombian road, 2:22:13.160 --> 2:22:16.600 and then you go up this small sort of windy 2:22:16.760 --> 2:22:20.800 road and while it's sunny, beautiful, I don't know what 2:22:21.000 --> 2:22:29.440 the combination of indigenous African European settlers that just made 2:22:30.440 --> 2:22:36.800 whatever combination of human made these Colombians so beautiful. But 2:22:36.879 --> 2:22:41.600 there's not I mean, everyone's beautiful. It is the most 2:22:42.000 --> 2:22:49.560 off putting, how gorgeous every human is there along with 2:22:49.640 --> 2:22:54.520 this plush green you come over this hill and because 2:22:54.520 --> 2:22:58.600 of the way that this farmer going to is set 2:22:58.680 --> 2:23:02.600 inside in between the small valley that's about four to 2:23:02.680 --> 2:23:08.080 five thousand feet above sea level, there's this beautiful fog 2:23:08.400 --> 2:23:15.560 that lays over the top of this just gorgeous, gorgeous rainforest. Right, 2:23:16.080 --> 2:23:21.240 there's grape vineyards, there's a few of those, there's allvocados, 2:23:21.680 --> 2:23:26.560 there's all these just beautiful multi instead of a monoculture, 2:23:26.680 --> 2:23:28.480 monoculture is a form of just one thing. 2:23:28.600 --> 2:23:29.920 This is a multi. 2:23:29.840 --> 2:23:36.960 Culture place that this crew called La pama Eltua kan 2:23:37.600 --> 2:23:39.680 That's who I was with. And all this beauty and 2:23:39.760 --> 2:23:44.039 vegetation that I'm describing, apparently twelve years ago was not 2:23:44.120 --> 2:23:50.959 a thing. This place was the textbook like cartoonish level 2:23:51.000 --> 2:23:56.320 example of deforestation where all of this natural beauty was 2:23:56.360 --> 2:23:59.800 cleared out for cattle raising. 2:24:00.120 --> 2:24:02.240 And the land was dead. 2:24:02.680 --> 2:24:06.160 But you would never guess, you would never guess that 2:24:06.240 --> 2:24:09.199 this was ever an issue, because what I'm looking at 2:24:09.480 --> 2:24:14.000 is Narnia. So this group of local born and raised 2:24:14.000 --> 2:24:18.840 brothers came up with a business plan and started restoring 2:24:18.879 --> 2:24:21.920 this land. I can't overstate the before and after picture, 2:24:22.280 --> 2:24:25.360 like the land was dying them with their reginative, like 2:24:25.720 --> 2:24:29.240 you know, farming practices made this a rainforest again that 2:24:29.320 --> 2:24:31.600 is now growing some of the best coffee on earth. 2:24:31.680 --> 2:24:36.600 So anyway we come in there, it's beautiful. Just there 2:24:36.640 --> 2:24:39.720 are no words to express how beautiful this is. I 2:24:39.760 --> 2:24:43.520 have a song called the Soil Is Sacred that I 2:24:43.760 --> 2:24:48.080 shot the video at that farm. So if you want 2:24:48.160 --> 2:24:50.840 to just go ahead and peep that, peep that to 2:24:51.000 --> 2:24:54.680 understand this place, this place is not only just a 2:24:54.720 --> 2:24:59.400 coffee farm, it's also a bike trail adventure place. 2:24:59.520 --> 2:25:00.480 It's a whole tell. 2:25:00.640 --> 2:25:04.600 You stay in these bungalows that are like up on sticks, 2:25:04.959 --> 2:25:09.680 and then the shower is outdoors, just covered around bamboo 2:25:09.680 --> 2:25:11.720 sticks that like hei the thing, and it's got like 2:25:11.760 --> 2:25:14.640 the what we like to call the anti black shower heads. 2:25:14.840 --> 2:25:16.480 You know that those are the I don't. 2:25:16.280 --> 2:25:18.200 Know if y'all notice, because Black people don't always like 2:25:18.200 --> 2:25:19.240 to wet our hair in the shower. 2:25:19.240 --> 2:25:21.360 We wash our hair much less than y'all do. 2:25:21.840 --> 2:25:25.280 But if you got that waterfall shower head, then that 2:25:25.320 --> 2:25:27.320 means we got to tilt our heads back a little bit, 2:25:27.440 --> 2:25:29.560 or make sure we got a shower cap. Because I 2:25:29.560 --> 2:25:31.520 don't know if you know any black women, but you don't. 2:25:31.560 --> 2:25:33.880 Don't wet my hair in the shower anyway. But you're 2:25:33.959 --> 2:25:38.080 showering out there, and it's just beautiful. You're in the rainforest. 2:25:38.120 --> 2:25:42.359 You can hear the animals and it's just this gentle 2:25:42.480 --> 2:25:47.360 breeze is blowing. And then around eleven thirty the fog 2:25:47.520 --> 2:25:48.360 kind of clears out. 2:25:48.440 --> 2:25:49.360 You get to sit down. 2:25:49.800 --> 2:25:53.640 You're having some breakfasts that's just chopped up papaya and 2:25:53.760 --> 2:25:57.520 mango that they grew right there right. I can see 2:25:57.560 --> 2:26:00.960 the mango tree, it's right there. Then the fry up 2:26:00.959 --> 2:26:04.640 some plantain from the plantain tree right there, scrambling up 2:26:04.640 --> 2:26:07.760 with some eggs from the chicken nest right there right. 2:26:08.120 --> 2:26:10.920 Just it's a dream. 2:26:11.320 --> 2:26:13.760 And as we're talking, as we're moving through this thing, 2:26:14.240 --> 2:26:17.879 the man that runs it, who like I wish I 2:26:17.879 --> 2:26:21.200 could have his baby. It was just the most gorgeous 2:26:21.280 --> 2:26:26.840 human I've ever seen, just flowing, flowing, quaft hair, speaking 2:26:26.920 --> 2:26:30.520 English and Spanish. The guy could play seven instruments. At 2:26:30.520 --> 2:26:33.360 some point where we're cutting coffee, the dude breaks into 2:26:33.400 --> 2:26:38.080 a bachata and then some Cumbia and he's just singing 2:26:38.160 --> 2:26:42.400 these Colombian folklore songs while flipping over a bucket and 2:26:42.440 --> 2:26:45.400 playing drums. It's just like you, guys, you're in a movie. 2:26:45.560 --> 2:26:48.760 You're in a movie. And then he casually drops, yeah, 2:26:48.760 --> 2:26:51.240 we only got twenty seven more of those. I was like, 2:26:51.240 --> 2:26:55.640 twenty seven more? What he goes, Oh yeah, part of 2:26:55.680 --> 2:26:59.720 the mission of this farm is if we don't do 2:26:59.800 --> 2:27:04.600 something thing, there is twenty seven harvests left. 2:27:04.800 --> 2:27:05.920 I was like, of what he goes of. 2:27:06.000 --> 2:27:09.280 Top soil, Coffee's going to go extinct in twenty seven years. 2:27:09.840 --> 2:27:14.800 Sam to talk about the possibility of a world without coffee, 2:27:14.840 --> 2:27:18.039 how we got here, and what people are doing to 2:27:18.160 --> 2:27:23.120 hopefully save the glorious being. All right, I feel like 2:27:23.200 --> 2:27:27.720 coffee is like the perfect analogy, the perfect one to 2:27:27.760 --> 2:27:33.760 one ratio for the ways for which the global North 2:27:34.160 --> 2:27:39.360 has treated the global South, specifically black people, but by 2:27:39.440 --> 2:27:44.600 and large just it's the perfect metaphor for the raping 2:27:44.640 --> 2:27:49.240 and pillaging of resources, including people, that has happened across 2:27:49.240 --> 2:27:54.920 the world. So coffee originates solely from Ethiopia. Okay, so 2:27:55.080 --> 2:27:59.760 it's already it's it's black. This is the early fifteen 2:27:59.800 --> 2:28:05.640 huns undreds. Legend is that some sheep farmers saw that 2:28:06.080 --> 2:28:11.000 their sheeps were going crazy, like just mad, mad energy 2:28:11.200 --> 2:28:14.840 after they had ate a particular cherry. Because again, coffee 2:28:14.879 --> 2:28:17.440 is a cherry, which is actually a very delicious cherry, 2:28:17.520 --> 2:28:20.240 you know, and the bean inside is not the bean, 2:28:20.280 --> 2:28:23.400 it's the pit or the seed that's inside of the 2:28:23.440 --> 2:28:27.800 coffee cherry. So yeah, legend is like that's how they 2:28:27.840 --> 2:28:30.720 figured it out, Like dang, they eat these these cherries 2:28:30.760 --> 2:28:32.560 and then they go crazy, like I wonder if that's 2:28:32.560 --> 2:28:34.640 going to give us strength to you know. So it's 2:28:34.680 --> 2:28:40.199 originally discovered in Ethiopia. Ethiopia is the only natural place 2:28:40.240 --> 2:28:43.920 that coffee grows, and every other coffee bean across the 2:28:43.920 --> 2:28:48.080 world was propagated from the Ethiopian one. It only grows 2:28:48.080 --> 2:28:51.360 between the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn along 2:28:51.400 --> 2:28:54.039 the equator that is the only place that it naturally grows. 2:28:54.080 --> 2:28:56.720 But because of climate change and because of you know, 2:28:56.800 --> 2:28:59.360 GMO and genetically modifying and all these different things that 2:28:59.360 --> 2:29:02.000 we've done with cross breeding and stuff like, you know, 2:29:02.080 --> 2:29:04.760 we've been able to grow it in in regions that 2:29:04.879 --> 2:29:10.959 aren't naturally the temperature and elevation that they naturally grow in. 2:29:11.760 --> 2:29:14.480 There are many different varieties of what we call that's 2:29:14.480 --> 2:29:17.640 what they're called varietals of this particular cherry or plant. 2:29:17.680 --> 2:29:21.320 But overall, you can break the species of coffee plant 2:29:21.360 --> 2:29:25.640 into three types. So you have typica, which most people 2:29:25.680 --> 2:29:28.840 don't drink unless like if you have a coffee farm 2:29:28.879 --> 2:29:31.360 that you actually export from, like a lot of times, 2:29:31.400 --> 2:29:33.680 the typical stuff is just the stuff that you keep 2:29:33.720 --> 2:29:37.119 for yourself, Like most coffee farmers have never actually tasted 2:29:37.120 --> 2:29:41.760 their best coffee because you ship that off to the 2:29:41.800 --> 2:29:44.920 rest of the world to make your money. Then there's robustica, 2:29:45.160 --> 2:29:49.640 which is like what most of the like instant coffee 2:29:49.680 --> 2:29:52.160 is made from. Really a lot of the world actually 2:29:52.240 --> 2:29:54.880 drinks that, but it's an acquired taste, like when you 2:29:54.920 --> 2:29:56.960 go through South America, like I know when I went 2:29:57.000 --> 2:29:59.800 to my grandmother in last house, like she you know, 2:29:59.840 --> 2:30:03.600 she boil the water with the canela the cinnamon sticks 2:30:03.600 --> 2:30:06.600 and poured instant coffee in it, and like as much 2:30:06.640 --> 2:30:08.400 of a coffee snob as I am, I'm like, that's 2:30:08.400 --> 2:30:08.840 the best. 2:30:09.080 --> 2:30:10.400 That's one of the best cups of cofee ive ever 2:30:10.480 --> 2:30:11.160 had in my life. 2:30:11.200 --> 2:30:11.400 You know. 2:30:11.800 --> 2:30:13.760 People always ask me, what's what's the best cup of 2:30:13.760 --> 2:30:15.520 coffee ever had, and I'm like, honestly, it's the one 2:30:15.520 --> 2:30:15.920 in your hand. 2:30:16.000 --> 2:30:16.800 That's the best cup. 2:30:17.160 --> 2:30:20.720 I feel like there's like a bell curve where it's like, yeah, 2:30:20.760 --> 2:30:22.480 you discover it, then you hit this level of snob 2:30:22.440 --> 2:30:24.800 at then you become like a like a new Christian 2:30:24.840 --> 2:30:27.560 about it and you're just like one of the evangelize 2:30:27.560 --> 2:30:29.760 and tell everybody. And then you become just like a 2:30:29.760 --> 2:30:32.560 theological snob and you're just like, uh, are you putting 2:30:32.640 --> 2:30:36.360 cream like full extraction or die death over decaf? Like 2:30:36.440 --> 2:30:38.440 you become that dude, and then you just come over 2:30:38.600 --> 2:30:40.400 the other end of that hump and you're just like, dude, 2:30:42.440 --> 2:30:43.640 it's just coffee, man. 2:30:43.879 --> 2:30:44.120 You know. 2:30:44.720 --> 2:30:49.320 So yeah, so that's Robusticut, which, like I said, most 2:30:49.360 --> 2:30:52.800 of the world actually drinks that. And then the specialty level, 2:30:52.920 --> 2:30:55.160 the one that most of us are used to drinking 2:30:55.200 --> 2:30:57.560 now is called a rabica, and it's kind of like 2:30:57.640 --> 2:31:03.600 it's the top tier based on and whatever subjective scale 2:31:03.640 --> 2:31:05.600 we use to say. 2:31:05.400 --> 2:31:07.360 What is the best coffee. 2:31:07.600 --> 2:31:10.320 But the fertile band, as what we call it around 2:31:10.360 --> 2:31:14.959 the coffee industry, is this span that kind of belts 2:31:14.959 --> 2:31:20.280 around the equator. So that's why in Central and South America, 2:31:20.920 --> 2:31:24.720 in certain parts of Africa and in Asia, coffee can 2:31:24.800 --> 2:31:28.920 naturally be grown. It takes a particular elevation, right, And 2:31:29.440 --> 2:31:32.760 you can even follow the transatlantic slave trade. You could 2:31:32.760 --> 2:31:35.600 follow the transit Lantic slave trade by following the distribution 2:31:35.680 --> 2:31:40.280 of coffee. How coffee got to the America's transatlantic slave trade. Anyway, 2:31:40.720 --> 2:31:43.879 there used to be this beef between Ethiopia and Yemen 2:31:44.120 --> 2:31:48.440 as to like who made coffee first, because without getting 2:31:48.440 --> 2:31:49.879 too much in a nerdery, I want to stay in 2:31:49.879 --> 2:31:54.040 the narrative here, but coffee first from Ethiopia went to Yemen. 2:31:54.160 --> 2:31:56.200 And the argument with the yemen ease is that they 2:31:56.200 --> 2:31:59.039 were the ones that grounded it and made it into 2:31:59.080 --> 2:32:02.199 a hot drink. So that's their argument that the Ethiopians 2:32:02.200 --> 2:32:03.000 didn't do that first. 2:32:03.000 --> 2:32:04.680 But anybody that really knows it's it's like. 2:32:04.680 --> 2:32:06.320 Dude, it originates in Africa. 2:32:06.400 --> 2:32:09.280 I'd be willing to bet too that if you kind 2:32:09.280 --> 2:32:12.480 of have developed somewhat of a palette for like a 2:32:12.520 --> 2:32:15.840 good clean cup of coffee, you would probably feel like 2:32:15.959 --> 2:32:20.840 Ethiopian beans are the best. And mostly it's just because, like, well, 2:32:21.360 --> 2:32:24.640 that's where it's from, and they have like at least 2:32:24.680 --> 2:32:29.040 one hundred year head start in cultivating how to make 2:32:29.080 --> 2:32:33.560 a bomb. Being as a fun aside, if you get 2:32:33.560 --> 2:32:36.840 your hand on a Yemenese bean, it's a flavor profile 2:32:36.920 --> 2:32:39.200 you've probably never had in your life. That's why if 2:32:39.240 --> 2:32:40.680 you ever go to a place and they have like 2:32:40.760 --> 2:32:44.560 a Yemenese geisha, it costs so much because Yemen has 2:32:44.600 --> 2:32:47.160 been with the Huthis and such like that have been 2:32:47.200 --> 2:32:51.600 locked into this civil war funded by America, Saudi Arabia, 2:32:51.640 --> 2:32:54.160 and Iran. You know, let's tie it all together, guys, 2:32:54.160 --> 2:32:56.560 That's what I'm saying. It's a metaphor for everything why 2:32:56.600 --> 2:32:59.520 coffee can't get exported out of Yemen. It is because 2:32:59.560 --> 2:33:02.040 of this sil war. It cost so much to get 2:33:02.040 --> 2:33:06.800 coffee out of Yemen because of these you know, wars 2:33:06.840 --> 2:33:09.800 funded by Western countries. 2:33:09.440 --> 2:33:12.080 Anyway, So from Yemen it got to Turkey. 2:33:12.640 --> 2:33:15.440 You know, this is around the time of like when 2:33:15.720 --> 2:33:20.600 the Islamic world was really the superpower of the planet. 2:33:20.760 --> 2:33:23.039 You know, with people like Avaroez. You could do your 2:33:23.080 --> 2:33:25.640 little history on that, and just all of the most 2:33:25.720 --> 2:33:31.199 beautiful library science, history, algebra, math, philosophy was all coming 2:33:31.240 --> 2:33:34.480 from the Muslim world. And it was through the Muslim 2:33:34.520 --> 2:33:38.920 world that coffee got to Europe. So at first Europe 2:33:38.959 --> 2:33:43.520 wouldn't drink coffee because they thought it was Muslim. That's 2:33:43.520 --> 2:33:46.320 what the dirty little brown folks is doing, right until 2:33:46.320 --> 2:33:48.879 it got to Belgium, which is one of the funnest 2:33:48.879 --> 2:33:53.600 stories to me again as coffee remaining this metaphor for 2:33:53.879 --> 2:33:56.560 the suffering of people of color everywhere. So anyway, remember 2:33:56.720 --> 2:33:58.600 Europe is a place for tea, but you know they 2:33:58.640 --> 2:34:04.440 got day tea from India. Anyway, So one of the 2:34:04.560 --> 2:34:13.119 archbishops in Belgium was presented this coffee thing, and because 2:34:13.240 --> 2:34:16.040 it was brought to Europe by the Muslims, the people 2:34:16.040 --> 2:34:17.280 there thought they couldn't drink it. 2:34:17.680 --> 2:34:20.879 So this bishop was like, I don't know, let me 2:34:20.920 --> 2:34:24.279 try it. So I this might be folklore. 2:34:24.760 --> 2:34:29.360 But he drinks this coffee and he says, now I'm 2:34:29.360 --> 2:34:30.879 not gonna quote him direct. This is the part that 2:34:30.879 --> 2:34:32.600 I think is folks, this happened, but this is the 2:34:32.600 --> 2:34:35.480 part that says folklore. He was like, uh, if this 2:34:35.640 --> 2:34:37.640 is evil, let's baptize it. 2:34:37.840 --> 2:34:42.120 Because we can make it for good. He was like, 2:34:42.640 --> 2:34:44.680 this is too delicious to let go. 2:34:46.200 --> 2:34:49.560 Watching the devil get all the good drinks. Yo, I'm said, 2:34:50.280 --> 2:34:52.600 I'm trying to drink good too. We could drink unto 2:34:52.640 --> 2:34:56.720 the land. All things was made for his glory, including 2:34:56.800 --> 2:35:01.119 this coffee. There used to be it is argument over 2:35:01.160 --> 2:35:03.400 which one was better for you, coffee your tea. They 2:35:03.440 --> 2:35:06.040 even did this test with these prisoners where they gave 2:35:06.080 --> 2:35:08.199 one of them all coffee the other one all tea 2:35:08.600 --> 2:35:11.160 to see who would live longer. And of course, since 2:35:11.200 --> 2:35:14.040 that is like the least scientific thing you could do possible, 2:35:14.400 --> 2:35:17.080 you do. Even if the guy that coffee live longer, 2:35:17.400 --> 2:35:20.640 it don't matter because it's not real science. Anyway, I 2:35:20.720 --> 2:35:25.520 personally am very thankful that coffee got to Europe because again, 2:35:25.920 --> 2:35:29.840 something that was discovered and came from black people for 2:35:29.920 --> 2:35:33.880 which we're willing to share freely, Like our music, like 2:35:33.879 --> 2:35:37.040 our slang, like our style address, You're welcome, you know 2:35:37.080 --> 2:35:39.160 what I'm saying, but don't act like this your house. 2:35:39.520 --> 2:35:41.600 You could put your flavor on it and we could 2:35:41.600 --> 2:35:45.920 all enjoy. Because it was the Scandinavian countries that figured 2:35:45.959 --> 2:35:48.760 out light roasting and a lot of the nerdery for 2:35:48.920 --> 2:35:51.480 like the third wave specialty coffee that you that you 2:35:51.560 --> 2:35:54.400 see now that you're right, that's from Europe. Italy did 2:35:54.480 --> 2:35:59.000 not discover coffee. Italy did espresso. I'm thankful for that. 2:35:59.560 --> 2:36:03.000 But they were only able to do espresso because of 2:36:03.520 --> 2:36:06.080 the labor of people of color in the global cum. 2:36:06.160 --> 2:36:09.439 You're following my metaphor here. Coffee got to the Americas 2:36:09.760 --> 2:36:12.600 via the slave trade. But if you can just look 2:36:12.680 --> 2:36:16.560 at a map, the jungles in Angola and the jungles 2:36:16.560 --> 2:36:18.960 of Brazil are the same jungle. 2:36:19.320 --> 2:36:20.760 There's just the ocean in between it. 2:36:21.240 --> 2:36:25.320 So of course when the Africans got there, they would 2:36:25.360 --> 2:36:28.600 recognize the soil and be able to grow the same things. 2:36:28.840 --> 2:36:29.840 Are y'all following me. 2:36:30.120 --> 2:36:33.080 We're talking about an industry that makes four hundred and 2:36:33.120 --> 2:36:39.440 sixty billion dollars globally every year and less than one 2:36:39.520 --> 2:36:41.439 percent goes back to Africa. 2:36:41.840 --> 2:36:43.199 Less than one percent. 2:36:43.000 --> 2:36:46.880 Actually goes to those that actually grow the product. You 2:36:46.959 --> 2:36:50.160 are you following me on this metaphor. Coffee has its 2:36:50.200 --> 2:36:53.440 own stock market because it's a commodity. It's called the 2:36:53.560 --> 2:36:56.760 c market like it fluctuates like that, you know when 2:36:56.760 --> 2:36:58.520 you look on a bag and it says fair trade 2:36:58.520 --> 2:36:59.320 and direct trade. 2:36:59.720 --> 2:37:01.039 Let me tell you what that means. 2:37:01.280 --> 2:37:06.520 The price per pound for coffee per pellet is set 2:37:06.959 --> 2:37:09.480 at what they call a fair trade price. So there's 2:37:09.480 --> 2:37:13.480 a coffee commission that sets what is a fair amount 2:37:13.840 --> 2:37:15.800 for that coffee. So you're supposed to it's like a 2:37:15.800 --> 2:37:19.039 fair market value for a house. You know, who sets that? Germany. 2:37:19.160 --> 2:37:22.960 Here's the problem with that. Germany can't grow coffee. How 2:37:22.959 --> 2:37:26.280 are y'all setting up for a farm to be considered 2:37:26.560 --> 2:37:29.720 organic or meeting specialty? 2:37:29.760 --> 2:37:33.840 Called somebody a farmer in Kenya? Oh they die. 2:37:34.040 --> 2:37:37.200 Gotta fly somebody from Germany down today farm for them 2:37:37.240 --> 2:37:39.959 to test their soil to tell them that they soil 2:37:40.040 --> 2:37:42.440 is healthy enough to tell these people from Germany it 2:37:42.480 --> 2:37:47.600 can't grow coffee. This was so that's fair trade is 2:37:47.680 --> 2:37:51.840 if Germany says that this price is right. Direct trade 2:37:52.200 --> 2:37:56.400 is when me, the American buyer, goes to the farmer 2:37:56.440 --> 2:37:59.680 themselves and I ask the farmer how much is it 2:38:00.160 --> 2:38:04.080 direct traded with them. The farmer tells us, Now, why 2:38:04.160 --> 2:38:06.200 I partnered with Onyx and all the other people that 2:38:06.280 --> 2:38:09.400 you see me partnering with, first of all is because 2:38:09.920 --> 2:38:13.400 whatever that price is, what ONYX does is they'll pay 2:38:13.520 --> 2:38:14.560 thirty percent more. 2:38:14.840 --> 2:38:16.240 So that's to guarantee. 2:38:16.480 --> 2:38:18.960 Not only is this a price that the farmer said, 2:38:19.040 --> 2:38:21.200 we're gonna pay you even more than that. There's an 2:38:21.280 --> 2:38:25.720 understanding of value in the fact that we don't have 2:38:25.760 --> 2:38:29.240 an industry without you. And sometimes I work at this 2:38:29.280 --> 2:38:31.440 other crew crawled BECKX three sixty, which I'm gonna talk 2:38:31.480 --> 2:38:33.680 about a little later at the end of this, I'm saying, 2:38:33.720 --> 2:38:35.879 these are ways for you to be able to say. 2:38:35.840 --> 2:38:38.679 Because everyone should be able to drink coffee. 2:38:38.560 --> 2:38:40.560 These are ways for which you could say, I am 2:38:40.600 --> 2:38:42.039 not being a part of the problem. 2:38:42.120 --> 2:38:43.880 In these ways, I could be part of the solution. 2:38:44.280 --> 2:38:48.039 But yes, a billion dollar industry created on the backs 2:38:48.040 --> 2:38:51.280 of brown folk, controlled by white folks. 2:38:51.640 --> 2:38:54.800 I'm just saying it's a metaphor billion dollar industry. 2:38:54.920 --> 2:38:57.080 When's the last time you walked into a coffee shop 2:38:57.120 --> 2:39:02.240 and thought, Wow, this is something invented, harvested, and nurtured 2:39:02.840 --> 2:39:06.840 by people of color. No, you don't think that. People 2:39:06.879 --> 2:39:11.480 think Italy. It's such a metaphor. And now because of 2:39:12.360 --> 2:39:18.160 harsh conditions, irrosive top soil, and abusive practices, we only 2:39:18.160 --> 2:39:19.640 got twenty seven harvests left. 2:39:19.920 --> 2:39:22.840 Now, let's get to the science and things we can do. 2:39:23.240 --> 2:39:25.920 All right, let's go to some sort of ad break, Right, 2:39:26.080 --> 2:39:27.160 how do y'all do them at? 2:39:27.360 --> 2:39:28.080 It could have been here? 2:39:28.480 --> 2:39:30.640 Am I supposed to do some sort of like speaking 2:39:30.680 --> 2:39:31.520 of situation? 2:39:32.240 --> 2:39:32.680 I don't know. 2:39:42.879 --> 2:39:45.320 So I think the best way to get into the 2:39:45.840 --> 2:39:49.800 science of it all is to maybe think about it 2:39:50.440 --> 2:39:55.040 through just the supply chain period. For centuries, the coffee 2:39:55.080 --> 2:40:00.160 plant or even farm have been just local, indigenous, this 2:40:01.120 --> 2:40:06.520 rainforest living families. It's your grandma, And I know this 2:40:06.560 --> 2:40:09.199 from my own experience. This is like your grandparents' house. 2:40:09.640 --> 2:40:12.800 Like you inherit this farm, you know, or you inherit 2:40:12.840 --> 2:40:14.360 this plot of land, and you got a couple of 2:40:14.400 --> 2:40:17.440 coffee plants in the back. Now, us being, you know, 2:40:17.720 --> 2:40:24.640 in a neoliberal, globally connected, late stage capitalistic society, how 2:40:24.640 --> 2:40:27.800 do you get that commodity if we're not growing them 2:40:27.800 --> 2:40:29.199 in the heartland of America. 2:40:29.360 --> 2:40:30.320 Well, because we can't. 2:40:30.400 --> 2:40:32.480 Number one, we have to create a supply chain, and 2:40:32.520 --> 2:40:36.920 the supply chain is just as industrial as every other 2:40:37.000 --> 2:40:42.840 thing is. So from the origin, you have a green buyer, 2:40:43.000 --> 2:40:46.400 and the green buyer is essentially the middle person. So 2:40:46.520 --> 2:40:50.440 that person has all the relationships with the farms. 2:40:50.959 --> 2:40:53.080 So they create these relationship with these farms. 2:40:53.480 --> 2:40:56.800 Usually depending on your relationship with that green buyers, you 2:40:56.920 --> 2:40:59.600 take orders from them that sometimes depending on how big 2:40:59.720 --> 2:41:01.680 or small that green buyer is. Some of those are 2:41:01.720 --> 2:41:06.280 like multi state, multi country, like big old corporations that 2:41:06.560 --> 2:41:09.320 you know, go across the world and they swoop up 2:41:09.560 --> 2:41:12.200 in a Walmart of it all and like just like 2:41:12.879 --> 2:41:15.879 buy up all these small farms. Now some of these places, 2:41:15.879 --> 2:41:18.039 some of these green buyers own the farms because they've 2:41:18.040 --> 2:41:21.080 bought them from the indigenous populations, and others are like, no, 2:41:21.160 --> 2:41:23.240 we just have relationships and we pay. I got to 2:41:23.280 --> 2:41:27.320 explained before fair market value, fair trade. And then I 2:41:27.560 --> 2:41:29.760 on the other end, like let's just say I'm you know, 2:41:30.240 --> 2:41:32.600 I will use my own company terror form. This isn't 2:41:32.600 --> 2:41:34.840 the process I use, but this is just the supply chain. 2:41:35.120 --> 2:41:37.680 So I would approach that green buyer, I'd go to 2:41:37.680 --> 2:41:39.920 their website and say, hey, I want to roast a 2:41:40.000 --> 2:41:42.959 Kenyon heirloom that would be the varietal, like I want 2:41:42.959 --> 2:41:43.959 to that's a type of being. 2:41:43.959 --> 2:41:44.920 I want a Kenyon airloom. 2:41:44.920 --> 2:41:47.560 And I go, oh, dope, they got it at I'm 2:41:47.600 --> 2:41:49.480 making up this number eighteen cents a pound. It's not 2:41:49.520 --> 2:41:53.080 like that. It's much more, but okay, dope. So they 2:41:53.080 --> 2:41:54.879 get the order. On the other end, they see what 2:41:54.879 --> 2:41:57.560 they got in stock or they got to go to origin, right, 2:41:57.640 --> 2:41:59.600 So they go to origin, they get the thing, and 2:41:59.640 --> 2:42:03.160 then some countries make you buy an entire shipping container 2:42:03.840 --> 2:42:07.560 because it's just not worth it. If you're you know, 2:42:07.600 --> 2:42:09.960 you're in Costa Rica, you're a farmer in Costa Rica, 2:42:10.320 --> 2:42:13.360 it doesn't make any financial sense to try to ship 2:42:13.400 --> 2:42:15.680 out just like one burlap bag. 2:42:15.840 --> 2:42:17.279 Like the cost is too high. 2:42:17.360 --> 2:42:19.480 So it's like, yo, you got to buy a palette 2:42:19.680 --> 2:42:21.359 or not a pal you gotta buy a shipping container. 2:42:21.800 --> 2:42:22.000 Right. 2:42:22.160 --> 2:42:26.200 So what most small like micro roasters do is they 2:42:26.680 --> 2:42:28.680 buddy up with other people that are like, yo, let's 2:42:28.680 --> 2:42:29.039 all do this. 2:42:29.360 --> 2:42:31.240 We'll kind of go in on this shipping container. 2:42:31.560 --> 2:42:34.080 So you have the farmer, you have the green buyer, 2:42:34.200 --> 2:42:35.959 and then the green buyer makes the deal with the 2:42:36.000 --> 2:42:39.160 shipment team. The shipping container gets filled, then you got 2:42:39.160 --> 2:42:42.000 to pay the nation's tariff. So then that's where the 2:42:42.040 --> 2:42:46.200 country comes in. Now, why some coffees cost more than others, 2:42:46.720 --> 2:42:48.320 some of it has to do with the tariffs. It's 2:42:48.360 --> 2:42:52.320 like Ethiopia charges some like fifty nine percent tariff, as 2:42:52.360 --> 2:42:55.840 they should because they tired of being raped by white people, 2:42:55.920 --> 2:42:59.960 just like everybody else is from there. Once it hits land, 2:43:00.200 --> 2:43:03.560 us as the roasters, we would go give you up 2:43:03.560 --> 2:43:06.400 the funds. We've already paid them, and then you go 2:43:06.480 --> 2:43:08.920 to your roasting facility. Now, if you a big boy, 2:43:08.959 --> 2:43:11.440 you got your own roasting facility. But most of the time, 2:43:11.640 --> 2:43:13.480 you know, a person may have one machine in the 2:43:13.520 --> 2:43:15.400 back of their coffee shop, or if they don't even 2:43:15.440 --> 2:43:18.160 have that, then they share a facility where they roast 2:43:18.320 --> 2:43:21.320 a bunch of different roasters roasted that one place. Once 2:43:21.360 --> 2:43:25.680 it's roast, getting in a bag and into your cup. 2:43:25.840 --> 2:43:28.240 Now this is the like specialty coffee way. Now, if 2:43:28.240 --> 2:43:31.360 we talk at Starbucks, Starbucks walks over there and they say, hey, 2:43:31.720 --> 2:43:35.240 let me buy this city, and they got their own 2:43:35.280 --> 2:43:38.560 shipping people in their own situation, and then they roast 2:43:38.600 --> 2:43:41.360 in like something the size of a mountain. Now what 2:43:41.440 --> 2:43:44.119 I'm talking about is third wave coffee. What that means 2:43:44.160 --> 2:43:45.879 is there is a lot of nerdy stuff. That means 2:43:45.879 --> 2:43:47.920 it's first wave coffee is like the coffee that your 2:43:47.920 --> 2:43:49.400 grandpa drank in World War Two. 2:43:49.560 --> 2:43:52.119 It's just you know mud, you know what I'm saying. 2:43:52.160 --> 2:43:56.440 Even the term Americano was because when the American gis 2:43:56.959 --> 2:44:00.240 were in Europe and they wanted a cup of CoFe, 2:44:00.360 --> 2:44:03.120 because in Europe day drankon espresso. The Americans was like, 2:44:03.160 --> 2:44:05.360 this is disgusting, what is this? So they just add 2:44:05.400 --> 2:44:08.240 water to it. So they called that an Americano because 2:44:08.480 --> 2:44:10.400 that's the type the Americans like anyway. 2:44:10.720 --> 2:44:12.680 So that's first wave coffee. 2:44:12.680 --> 2:44:17.320 Second wave coffee is like Starbucks or the coffee spots 2:44:17.320 --> 2:44:19.959 that like have the ton of syrups in the back 2:44:20.160 --> 2:44:22.200 and the name of their shop is probably some sort 2:44:22.200 --> 2:44:26.039 of pun like in Friends, the Central Perk, Java Chip. 2:44:26.080 --> 2:44:29.520 Those are the ones that, like the big suburban churches 2:44:29.760 --> 2:44:32.240 would have their own coffee shops like corn and Nia 2:44:32.360 --> 2:44:36.520 House Hebrews, just some sort of corny that's second where 2:44:36.560 --> 2:44:40.000 it's like, you know, that's your triple machiato, you know, 2:44:40.240 --> 2:44:43.840 with's double pump all of the sweet fruitfru stuff that's 2:44:44.320 --> 2:44:46.720 second wave, and then third wave is what we call 2:44:46.800 --> 2:44:50.320 specialty coffee, and that's where the big bucks come in 2:44:50.640 --> 2:44:54.120 because you can sell them at a higher premium. Now, 2:44:54.200 --> 2:44:56.600 for it to be considered specialty coffee on a scale 2:44:56.640 --> 2:44:58.640 of one nine hundred, you have to grade that bean 2:44:58.959 --> 2:45:02.320 at an eighty or a bus Now, coffees that are 2:45:02.320 --> 2:45:05.520 graded in the nineties, unless you've been to Dubai or Qatar, 2:45:05.640 --> 2:45:08.880 you've never drank it. Those go there because American we 2:45:08.920 --> 2:45:11.520 can't afford it, so the farmer don't even show. 2:45:11.400 --> 2:45:11.760 It to it. 2:45:11.959 --> 2:45:14.120 But the most of the like if you go to 2:45:14.200 --> 2:45:16.920 like a good coffee shop, you're drinking about an eighty 2:45:16.920 --> 2:45:19.160 three to a eighty five. But it's not like their 2:45:19.160 --> 2:45:22.880 whole crop is that. Most farmers are just small plots. 2:45:23.240 --> 2:45:25.080 So what do you do with the rest of it? Well, 2:45:25.080 --> 2:45:27.400 the rest of it, which is the most of your harvest. 2:45:27.640 --> 2:45:29.680 To make the numbers round, Let's just say you have 2:45:29.720 --> 2:45:33.840 one hundred coffee trees. Maybe ten of them produced an 2:45:33.920 --> 2:45:37.240 eighty five, right, so that's ten percent. So you've spent 2:45:37.360 --> 2:45:42.240 all year fighting drought, fighting climate change, fighting excessive heat, 2:45:42.320 --> 2:45:45.760 fighting all that only for of your whole plantation, only 2:45:45.800 --> 2:45:48.120 to get ten percent of it to be actually be 2:45:48.400 --> 2:45:50.720 available to sell. The rest of it, it just goes 2:45:50.760 --> 2:45:53.400 to the stock market and you just hope and pray 2:45:53.680 --> 2:45:55.600 that you're able to sell it. But you have that 2:45:55.760 --> 2:45:58.960 three weeks to try to make your year's salary. So 2:45:59.000 --> 2:46:02.119 what happens is since you can only sell ten percent, 2:46:02.240 --> 2:46:04.360 only ten percent of it is even available to sell, 2:46:04.440 --> 2:46:06.720 right I'm talking specialty cofee is where we are now. 2:46:07.000 --> 2:46:09.200 If in fact, somebody comes in here and pays it, 2:46:09.240 --> 2:46:11.800 and then they only pay fair trade rather than direct 2:46:11.800 --> 2:46:15.240 trade price, you're getting a price set by Germany is 2:46:15.720 --> 2:46:18.640 not even enough to pay the little kids that just 2:46:18.720 --> 2:46:21.560 miss school to be able to pick your farm, because 2:46:21.600 --> 2:46:23.840 that's who actually picks the cherries. This is daywork, just 2:46:23.920 --> 2:46:26.680 kids from the farming community that come in there. They 2:46:26.680 --> 2:46:28.480 try to make a day's wage to pick their things. 2:46:28.600 --> 2:46:31.760 So what happens is to be able to survive. This 2:46:32.160 --> 2:46:34.120 is how it is in Honduras. To be able to survive, 2:46:34.640 --> 2:46:36.600 you go get a loan from the government to be 2:46:36.640 --> 2:46:39.119 able to make your money for the year, and then 2:46:39.160 --> 2:46:42.720 hopefully off that harvest, you can pay that loan back 2:46:43.040 --> 2:46:44.960 and make enough for the next year, so you don't 2:46:45.000 --> 2:46:47.440 have to get a loan. The problem is they're charging 2:46:47.480 --> 2:46:52.560 these farmers thirty percent interests, so they're locked into this 2:46:52.959 --> 2:46:56.520 situation that says, I can't even afford to even keep 2:46:56.560 --> 2:46:59.480 my family plot because I'm just staying in debt. So 2:46:59.520 --> 2:47:02.480 then what are you do? Governinate dumb, They'll re up 2:47:02.480 --> 2:47:04.640 your loan. So they're like, oh cool, no problem, We'll 2:47:04.680 --> 2:47:07.280 just we'll reup your loan. These so these farmers end 2:47:07.360 --> 2:47:11.400 up being hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and 2:47:11.440 --> 2:47:14.560 it's adding every year because they can never catch up, 2:47:15.120 --> 2:47:18.959 which is bonkers. Considering how much coffee we drink across 2:47:19.040 --> 2:47:21.279 the world, one would think they would be fine. 2:47:22.000 --> 2:47:25.000 So I mean, what's your option. You sell the land 2:47:25.080 --> 2:47:25.680 or just. 2:47:25.760 --> 2:47:29.160 Remove the coffee, just yo, get some cows, sell beef 2:47:29.280 --> 2:47:31.840 right the forests, I mean there's money to make there, 2:47:32.240 --> 2:47:34.640 or you sell it to a big conglomerate. And what 2:47:34.680 --> 2:47:37.360 does the big conglomerate do burn down all of the 2:47:37.400 --> 2:47:41.320 forests and create a monoculture? Right, and a monoculture are 2:47:41.480 --> 2:47:43.119 like what you would pitch what we do in America 2:47:43.160 --> 2:47:46.680 for corn or all through the Amazon rainforest. 2:47:46.760 --> 2:47:48.959 And if you know, obviously you've seen. 2:47:48.720 --> 2:47:52.440 A force monoculture ain't how earth works, right, The diversity 2:47:52.440 --> 2:47:55.840 of plants becomes its own fertilizer. But if you don't 2:47:55.879 --> 2:47:58.680 have that, if you don't have chickens that survive off 2:47:58.680 --> 2:48:02.520 the avocados, and and you know, I'm pulling things out 2:48:02.560 --> 2:48:04.120 of nowhere. But like the point I'm trying to make 2:48:04.200 --> 2:48:06.440 is when you create a monoculture, you have to also 2:48:06.560 --> 2:48:09.240 create a way to sustain that. And the only way 2:48:09.280 --> 2:48:13.600 to sustain it is destructive. One cup of coffee in 2:48:13.680 --> 2:48:18.039 this way releases was it eighty grams of co two? 2:48:18.320 --> 2:48:20.280 I mean it's like driving half a mile, Like your 2:48:20.280 --> 2:48:23.040 cup of coffee is a half a mile full of poison. 2:48:23.360 --> 2:48:26.959 If done the way that most of the bigger names 2:48:26.959 --> 2:48:30.000 in the industry do it, which is now rising our 2:48:30.040 --> 2:48:32.520 carbon right. And if you're going to do that, then 2:48:32.520 --> 2:48:35.600 that means you need a gang of fertilizer, right, which 2:48:35.640 --> 2:48:38.640 is bad for the soil. And then you also need 2:48:38.680 --> 2:48:44.119 to use way more water than naturally required. Matter of fact, 2:48:44.160 --> 2:48:47.680 according to the UN, one cup of coffee uses one 2:48:47.760 --> 2:48:50.360 hundred and thirty liters of water. If you're doing this 2:48:50.600 --> 2:48:53.800 like monoculture style, right, that looks like farming the way 2:48:53.840 --> 2:48:56.240 we do it here one cup of coffee, one hundred 2:48:56.280 --> 2:48:58.760 and thirty liters of water, which is a bathtub. That's 2:48:58.800 --> 2:49:02.200 like a bathtub for of water to create this one cup, 2:49:02.440 --> 2:49:07.640 so obviously multiply that times a billion. Not only is 2:49:07.720 --> 2:49:12.160 this practice like everything else in this neo capitalistic world, 2:49:12.240 --> 2:49:14.879 the demand was so big and the desire to get 2:49:14.920 --> 2:49:17.240 the most amount of money with the least amount of 2:49:17.280 --> 2:49:23.199 price is destroying the very thing that makes the product possible. Now, 2:49:23.600 --> 2:49:26.440 the rest of the world isn't stupid. We understand that 2:49:26.520 --> 2:49:29.279 this process is not sustainable. 2:49:29.440 --> 2:49:29.680 Right. 2:49:29.760 --> 2:49:32.360 We're killing the soil, We're killing the land. Everybody knows that. 2:49:32.400 --> 2:49:34.680 So the EU passed this law that says if you're 2:49:34.680 --> 2:49:39.400 going to import any sort of commodity, including coffee, you 2:49:39.440 --> 2:49:42.000 have to prove that it didn't come from deforestation. Right, 2:49:42.040 --> 2:49:45.560 So this is them trying to do their best. The 2:49:45.600 --> 2:49:49.040 only problem is if I'm an indigenous farmer on a 2:49:49.080 --> 2:49:52.640 small plot, I don't even have access to deforestation. But 2:49:52.720 --> 2:49:54.920 the only way for me to prove that is, like 2:49:54.959 --> 2:49:56.800 I said before, with the fair trade, I have to 2:49:56.840 --> 2:49:57.840 fly somebody down. 2:49:57.959 --> 2:49:58.879 It's on my own dime. 2:49:59.320 --> 2:50:03.199 It's because the e who doesn't understand regenative practices because 2:50:03.560 --> 2:50:07.879 they don't know any indigenous people, right, So this is 2:50:08.000 --> 2:50:11.880 now adding a double burden to the farmers that are 2:50:11.879 --> 2:50:15.400 actually doing it right, who can't possibly do the volume 2:50:16.120 --> 2:50:17.840 of the people that are doing it wrong. So the 2:50:17.879 --> 2:50:21.760 first problem is like the system is not even financially sustainable, 2:50:21.800 --> 2:50:23.480 Like I haven't even got to the specifics of the 2:50:23.480 --> 2:50:27.200 deforestation and all those things that have caused this problem. Now, 2:50:27.240 --> 2:50:30.440 according to Bloomberg, there's a twenty twenty two study of 2:50:30.720 --> 2:50:34.640 tropical cash crops included Arabica as well as avocado and 2:50:34.680 --> 2:50:38.560 cashew are probably the most vulnerable to climate change because 2:50:38.600 --> 2:50:41.959 the regions that are suitable for this production continue to 2:50:42.040 --> 2:50:47.080 shrink because of why heat. It's too hot, which means 2:50:47.120 --> 2:50:49.720 that Arabica won't be able to grow. So we'll probably 2:50:49.720 --> 2:50:51.760 have to start drinking robusticut. 2:50:51.959 --> 2:50:52.160 Right. 2:50:52.680 --> 2:50:57.080 It's estimated that in thirty years from now, basically fifty 2:50:57.120 --> 2:51:00.840 percent of lands that can grow coffee will not be 2:51:00.879 --> 2:51:03.760 able to grow coffee anymore if we don't do anything 2:51:04.200 --> 2:51:06.680 fifty percent. You think they're making fun of you for 2:51:06.720 --> 2:51:09.680 your twelve dollars cup of coffee is crazy, now listen. 2:51:09.879 --> 2:51:13.160 Nestley reports that there are more than six thousand cups 2:51:13.240 --> 2:51:17.240 of neskfe coffee drink every second? Are y'all following me 2:51:17.720 --> 2:51:21.400 every second? That's how much coffee we drink. Now, granted 2:51:21.440 --> 2:51:25.080 that coffee is not a rabica, it's robustica. Robustica is 2:51:25.600 --> 2:51:28.680 what really most of the rest of the world drinks. 2:51:29.040 --> 2:51:35.520 It's us again, being a part of the northern hemisphere, 2:51:35.560 --> 2:51:38.240 being a part of the global north that like the 2:51:38.320 --> 2:51:41.240 pristine kind of good, shiny type. 2:51:41.320 --> 2:51:41.520 Right. 2:51:41.840 --> 2:51:48.160 The problem is our insatiable desire to consume things as 2:51:48.200 --> 2:51:50.560 fast as we can. And I don't want to blame 2:51:50.600 --> 2:51:53.280 I'm not blaming the victim here, I'm just saying it's 2:51:53.280 --> 2:51:57.160 impossible to do the volume is the argument. How do 2:51:57.200 --> 2:52:01.080 you do this volume that we all want on in 2:52:01.160 --> 2:52:05.560 this global supply chain and the waight for which we've 2:52:05.600 --> 2:52:08.879 set this up. How do you do this volume and 2:52:09.000 --> 2:52:11.600 still keep the price where the price is? And you 2:52:11.640 --> 2:52:14.080 know what the solution has always been, You just rip 2:52:14.120 --> 2:52:17.920 off the farmer and destroy the earth. So deforestation given 2:52:18.000 --> 2:52:21.959 us too much carbon, which has made the weather erratic, 2:52:22.360 --> 2:52:25.920 which means that some years the crop is flooded and 2:52:25.959 --> 2:52:28.000 it doesn't grow right because it's too much rain. Other 2:52:28.080 --> 2:52:31.119 years it's complete drought, and you have to dig even 2:52:31.240 --> 2:52:34.440 further into the ground to try to get the amount 2:52:34.480 --> 2:52:38.400 of water that had we not raised the temperature one 2:52:38.440 --> 2:52:42.320 point five degrees celsius, had we done some changes, the 2:52:42.360 --> 2:52:45.279 earth would be the same. So Brazil is the biggest 2:52:45.560 --> 2:52:52.280 coffee producer in the world right and this year, this 2:52:52.440 --> 2:52:56.280 year was the worst drought they've had in seven decades, 2:52:56.840 --> 2:53:01.600 with above average temperatures, and one of the biggest producers 2:53:01.600 --> 2:53:05.879 out there. Associated Press interviewed him, Silvio Almita, and that 2:53:05.920 --> 2:53:10.240 fool's coffee plantation. The AP just reported this was expected 2:53:10.240 --> 2:53:12.880 to harvest one hundred and twenty sacks of coffee beans, 2:53:13.160 --> 2:53:15.680 but they only got one hundred and then their quoted saying, 2:53:15.720 --> 2:53:18.240 given the conditions here in twenty twenty five, crop is 2:53:18.400 --> 2:53:22.280 already affected, he told Associated Press, pointing out that part 2:53:22.280 --> 2:53:27.160 of his plantation where flower buds have already died before blooming. 2:53:27.360 --> 2:53:28.240 I won't say it's. 2:53:28.160 --> 2:53:31.920 Doomed, because God can do anything, but based on the situation, 2:53:32.360 --> 2:53:35.200 it's already compromised. What these people are saying is like 2:53:35.280 --> 2:53:38.520 next year's crops already did this. Where we are, y'all, 2:53:39.200 --> 2:53:43.000 are y'all hearing what I'm saying. He's saying, we ain't 2:53:43.000 --> 2:53:49.280 gonna have no coffee next year. It's already dead, y'all. 2:53:49.280 --> 2:53:52.040 Remember when Robert read off his little book, you know, 2:53:52.400 --> 2:53:54.280 the hole started off the whole. It could happen here 2:53:54.400 --> 2:53:57.800 thing and in one of them places. After the civil 2:53:57.879 --> 2:54:00.640 ward have went down, coffee was something you had to 2:54:00.640 --> 2:54:03.120 smuggle into the country like a drug. This is what 2:54:03.200 --> 2:54:05.400 he talking about. Dan ain't gonna be no coffee, y'all. 2:54:06.120 --> 2:54:08.240 I was at an event two years ago. It's called 2:54:08.240 --> 2:54:12.320 the Color of Coffee Collective. It was for black people 2:54:12.840 --> 2:54:15.440 in the coffee industry. And of course this is stretched 2:54:15.440 --> 2:54:18.520 to the whole diaspora. So you know, Central and South 2:54:18.560 --> 2:54:23.520 American just ultimately people of color in the coffee industry connect, 2:54:23.800 --> 2:54:28.080 you know, plot strategize, have some transparency in our supply 2:54:28.240 --> 2:54:30.680 chains because a lot of us in America in the 2:54:30.720 --> 2:54:32.879 West screen you know, pro black, pro black, be for 2:54:32.959 --> 2:54:35.680 the culture, we for the people, and like to put 2:54:35.920 --> 2:54:38.760 you know, the faces of our farmers on our bags 2:54:38.840 --> 2:54:41.360 in you know, part of the marketing. But most people 2:54:41.400 --> 2:54:42.920 who are in the coffee just have never gone to 2:54:43.000 --> 2:54:46.600 the source, so you don't know it'ally. You know what 2:54:46.600 --> 2:54:50.640 I'm saying, you don't know Tabby who like is actually 2:54:50.720 --> 2:54:52.160 like growing your coffee? 2:54:52.200 --> 2:54:52.800 You know what I'm saying. 2:54:52.879 --> 2:54:55.280 It's just a name on a spreadsheet, brought into you 2:54:55.320 --> 2:54:56.120 from an importer. 2:54:56.480 --> 2:54:56.680 Right. 2:54:57.320 --> 2:55:01.119 Anyway, So there was a panel discussion about about climate 2:55:01.200 --> 2:55:04.680 change and about ways for which we can do better. 2:55:04.760 --> 2:55:06.760 So they had a bunch of farmers. I remember it 2:55:06.800 --> 2:55:08.199 was a farmer from Kenya. 2:55:08.200 --> 2:55:11.240 Who gave us these just heaters, just these heat rocks, 2:55:11.280 --> 2:55:17.120 these bars during this panel discussion. And after I show 2:55:17.120 --> 2:55:18.840 you these bars, I'm gonna go for a break, and 2:55:18.840 --> 2:55:21.000 then I'm gonna tell you about people that are doing 2:55:21.040 --> 2:55:24.320 things better in ways for which we can maybe save 2:55:24.360 --> 2:55:28.400 our soil so that your kids can possibly enjoy coffee. Also, 2:55:29.080 --> 2:55:31.560 so someone asked, I believe it was a roaster from 2:55:31.560 --> 2:55:34.400 Puerto Rico, was like, hey, so what are some of 2:55:34.400 --> 2:55:39.440 the ways that you're adapting and hoping to mitigate climate change? 2:55:39.440 --> 2:55:41.600 Like how are y'all dealing with climate change? So he 2:55:41.680 --> 2:55:44.320 was asking this Kenyan farmer like what's he doing for 2:55:44.400 --> 2:55:48.520 climate change? And his answer was, I mean, you tell 2:55:48.600 --> 2:55:54.480 me we're at source. He's like, we're a third world country. 2:55:54.840 --> 2:55:56.640 We didn't cause climate change. 2:55:57.240 --> 2:55:59.279 You did. What are you doing. 2:56:00.120 --> 2:56:03.000 We're the ones suffering, and not only are we suffering 2:56:03.000 --> 2:56:05.199 from the effects of climate change in our own life, 2:56:05.680 --> 2:56:09.760 because of your greediness, you created the climate change that 2:56:09.920 --> 2:56:13.039 is causing the problems in the very crop that you're 2:56:13.040 --> 2:56:16.720 trying to get from us. So because of your problems, 2:56:17.120 --> 2:56:19.480 this is why he's explaining it. I now can't grow 2:56:19.520 --> 2:56:21.879 something that we've grown for hundreds and hundreds of years, 2:56:21.920 --> 2:56:23.680 and you asking me what I'm doing for about it? 2:56:23.800 --> 2:56:23.879 Now? 2:56:23.959 --> 2:56:26.120 What are you doing about it? Ouch? 2:56:27.480 --> 2:56:36.120 So here's some things that are being done next. 2:56:41.200 --> 2:56:42.800 All right, we're back now. 2:56:43.440 --> 2:56:47.720 The wildest thing about how complicated any of these solutions are, 2:56:47.800 --> 2:56:52.440 which are you going to take many, many decades to 2:56:52.600 --> 2:56:56.720 actually see the difference in the actual top soil. The 2:56:56.720 --> 2:56:59.760 most bonkers part is the fact that, like the solutions 2:57:00.400 --> 2:57:02.880 by and large are kind of. 2:57:02.400 --> 2:57:05.720 The same across any world problem. 2:57:06.160 --> 2:57:13.520 It's mutual aid, it's collective, communal, collaborative work among every 2:57:13.560 --> 2:57:16.560 part of the supply chain. It's so in some senses, 2:57:16.600 --> 2:57:20.000 it's so beautiful that like, really the solution is us. 2:57:20.160 --> 2:57:23.280 I say that to not grossly oversimplify, but I say 2:57:23.320 --> 2:57:25.800 that to say that there's hope. So I'm going to 2:57:25.840 --> 2:57:28.840 introduce you to a couple programs and a couple of 2:57:28.920 --> 2:57:32.840 farms and sort of some things to look for in 2:57:32.879 --> 2:57:35.160 your coffee purchasing. 2:57:34.720 --> 2:57:36.840 Because you guys want to see the world be better. 2:57:36.879 --> 2:57:41.879 Also, first thing is farms, going back to indigenous practices. 2:57:42.080 --> 2:57:45.760 Now two I know personally, and one I'm going to 2:57:45.800 --> 2:57:49.960 tell you about from Ecuador. There's a whole documentary on 2:57:50.000 --> 2:57:52.720 it if you look up on YouTube, it's called How 2:57:52.760 --> 2:57:56.120 Climate Change Threatened Coffee Production by DW Documentaries. 2:57:56.600 --> 2:57:59.760 And I mean right like pretty on the nose. 2:58:00.040 --> 2:58:03.680 So a coffee collective in Ecuador called Viilakory. 2:58:03.840 --> 2:58:05.560 It's their Kichua language. 2:58:05.600 --> 2:58:09.199 It means green gold and their indigenous language, and they're 2:58:09.240 --> 2:58:14.160 doing something very similar to my friends in Honduras called 2:58:14.320 --> 2:58:15.400 Kadacha coffee. 2:58:15.760 --> 2:58:16.959 Now, what they. 2:58:16.760 --> 2:58:20.240 Are are cooperatives on the business side. 2:58:20.320 --> 2:58:21.600 So I'm so excited. 2:58:21.760 --> 2:58:24.080 I'm going to get to the business cooperative side after 2:58:24.120 --> 2:58:26.279 I explain to you the indigenous practices. 2:58:26.600 --> 2:58:28.240 Even though all of these things are related. 2:58:28.280 --> 2:58:33.080 So what they do is something that's so obvious, which 2:58:33.160 --> 2:58:36.199 is like, you got to stop doing monocultures. First of all, 2:58:36.400 --> 2:58:40.640 it makes sense financially because now you're diversifying your commodities, 2:58:41.000 --> 2:58:43.240 So you have your coffee plants. If you see a 2:58:43.280 --> 2:58:45.840 coffee plant, coffee plants are pretty short, like, they don't 2:58:45.840 --> 2:58:49.480 grow taller than six foot normally. So since the climate 2:58:49.520 --> 2:58:52.480 is so hot, what is the natural way to shade them? Well, 2:58:52.520 --> 2:58:54.920 the natural way to shave them is trees. So if 2:58:54.959 --> 2:58:58.600 you plant them among trees. The types of trees that 2:58:58.800 --> 2:59:01.840 first of all naturally fertilize the soil. Number two, they 2:59:01.920 --> 2:59:06.400 produce fruit. Number three, they produce raw materials. Right, so 2:59:06.920 --> 2:59:09.720 these people have planted trees that are indigenous to the area. 2:59:09.920 --> 2:59:12.320 So a lot of times in coffee places, like there 2:59:12.360 --> 2:59:15.920 are certain species of beans that really only grow in 2:59:15.959 --> 2:59:18.039 particular regions. But the only reason they grow in those 2:59:18.040 --> 2:59:20.800 particular regions is because of the mineral the way that 2:59:20.840 --> 2:59:23.280 the minerals are in the ground in that area. So 2:59:23.360 --> 2:59:25.400 if you can mimic those minerals, if you bring those 2:59:25.400 --> 2:59:27.959 minerals to this place, you could grow that bean. So 2:59:28.160 --> 2:59:31.320 technically speaking, if I have the my minerals, I can 2:59:31.440 --> 2:59:37.640 be in Costa Rica and grow a Rwandan coffee because 2:59:37.680 --> 2:59:41.320 it's just the Rwandan soil in Costa Rica. And you 2:59:41.360 --> 2:59:43.360 could still argue that it is this is some of 2:59:43.400 --> 2:59:45.800 the future of like if it do ever get so bad. 2:59:46.280 --> 2:59:49.760 Right when they grow in coffee in Sacramento, you know 2:59:49.760 --> 2:59:52.920 what I'm saying in Vancouver in some sort of building, 2:59:53.280 --> 2:59:57.240 it's because we just gather the minerals that we've destroyed 2:59:58.000 --> 3:00:02.240 and put them in a that's not good for the earth. 3:00:02.280 --> 3:00:05.680 That's that's an invasive not only invasive pieces, an invasive mineral. 3:00:05.840 --> 3:00:08.879 So you're completely changing the biosphere of that land just 3:00:08.879 --> 3:00:09.800 to grow that one crop. 3:00:09.840 --> 3:00:13.120 That's absurd. The land already does what it needs to do. 3:00:13.680 --> 3:00:17.200 So what these guys do in Ecuador is the same 3:00:17.200 --> 3:00:20.280 thing they do in Colombia in Zipa Coln that was 3:00:20.280 --> 3:00:21.959 the name of the city that they were in. Also, 3:00:22.000 --> 3:00:24.200 what's happening on doors is like you just let the 3:00:24.280 --> 3:00:26.320 land do what it does. What I learned on one 3:00:26.360 --> 3:00:28.640 of these farms is like the quickest way to know 3:00:28.920 --> 3:00:33.959 a place is not organic is there's no insects. Like, 3:00:34.000 --> 3:00:37.520 if there's no ants, that means the ground's poisonous. 3:00:37.720 --> 3:00:37.879 Right. 3:00:38.280 --> 3:00:41.560 The ants come out, they eat whatever waste is on 3:00:41.600 --> 3:00:44.040 the ground, whatever like natural waste is on the ground. 3:00:44.360 --> 3:00:46.360 They come back in, they go back into the soil. 3:00:46.400 --> 3:00:49.600 They're irrigating them soils themselves. You don't need lawnmowers if 3:00:49.640 --> 3:00:53.040 you have chickens, right, the chickens eat the thing. The 3:00:53.080 --> 3:00:56.920 shade of the trees keeps the temperature down. It produces 3:00:56.959 --> 3:01:02.280 fruits like avocado, papaya, like I said before, for mongos, plantains. 3:01:02.680 --> 3:01:06.240 These trees that naturally grow in this area keep the 3:01:06.240 --> 3:01:08.359 soil rich and the coffee strong. 3:01:08.720 --> 3:01:10.039 So you're keeping the temperature down. 3:01:10.480 --> 3:01:12.640 The land does what it absolutely does, so now you 3:01:12.680 --> 3:01:17.119 don't need pesticides. You also need less water because when 3:01:17.200 --> 3:01:20.560 the temperature being shaded and brought down, the water's not 3:01:20.560 --> 3:01:24.120 evaporating as fast. Whoa, and then the quality of the 3:01:24.120 --> 3:01:28.160 bean is higher. Now here's where the indigenous practices move 3:01:28.240 --> 3:01:31.600 from just the ground to also the community. Rather than 3:01:31.680 --> 3:01:36.360 having one hundred small farms compete against each other, they 3:01:36.440 --> 3:01:38.760 just work as a community. So rather than waiting for 3:01:39.000 --> 3:01:41.560 Johnny European to come down and say buy my beans, no, 3:01:41.560 --> 3:01:42.959 by byes, by my means, they're like. 3:01:42.920 --> 3:01:44.240 No, by our beans. 3:01:44.480 --> 3:01:47.680 They pull all the beans together, bring all of their 3:01:47.680 --> 3:01:51.359 crops together, and they say, yeah, maybe I can't produce 3:01:51.840 --> 3:01:55.840 whatever kilos that this person needs by themselves, but we 3:01:56.840 --> 3:01:57.760 can produce that. 3:01:58.280 --> 3:01:59.920 So that way if there's a. 3:01:59.920 --> 3:02:02.840 Farm over here that's got a smaller crop because maybe 3:02:02.920 --> 3:02:04.800 you know, mother in law got sick so they weren't 3:02:04.800 --> 3:02:07.720 able to work as hard as they can for those beans. 3:02:07.800 --> 3:02:11.600 Or maybe collectively, again heat dome was too high, there 3:02:11.680 --> 3:02:13.480 was too much of a drought. We really couldn't grow 3:02:13.520 --> 3:02:17.000 that much on our own. Together though we could meet 3:02:17.040 --> 3:02:20.680 this order. You follow me and when that happens, because again, 3:02:20.760 --> 3:02:24.480 who usually picks the beans are the community's kids. Now, 3:02:24.760 --> 3:02:27.879 if we can collectively fill the order, right after we 3:02:27.959 --> 3:02:31.480 cup and we say collectively our coffees are good enough. 3:02:31.520 --> 3:02:34.040 And there's different types of species, like you know what 3:02:34.080 --> 3:02:36.000 I'm saying, Like this is a I don't want to 3:02:36.000 --> 3:02:38.160 get too much into a nerdery, but each each bean 3:02:38.160 --> 3:02:40.680 in each tree is a particular species. Maybe when we cup, 3:02:40.720 --> 3:02:42.360 we say, hey, listen, this is the same thing that 3:02:42.400 --> 3:02:44.280 happened on Doris. It's like, you know, we sit around 3:02:44.320 --> 3:02:47.720 and we're tasting, basically doing a taste test these different 3:02:47.760 --> 3:02:50.959 batches of beans. I don't know which farm they came from. 3:02:51.080 --> 3:02:53.800 I know they're all a part of this collective. But 3:02:53.879 --> 3:02:57.560 if I say, yo, I want these, then when we pay, 3:02:58.360 --> 3:03:01.119 since it's not a middleman, and it's a community. 3:03:01.520 --> 3:03:03.359 Now, the main load goes. 3:03:03.120 --> 3:03:06.840 To the particular farm that it was ordered from, but 3:03:06.879 --> 3:03:09.760 the rest of it goes and it's spread across the 3:03:10.240 --> 3:03:11.359 entire community. 3:03:11.720 --> 3:03:12.200 Following me. 3:03:12.400 --> 3:03:14.199 Okay, now back to the soil situation. 3:03:14.560 --> 3:03:16.160 I feel like I'm all over the place, but you 3:03:16.200 --> 3:03:18.240 have to understand because the problem's all over the place, 3:03:18.480 --> 3:03:20.199 and a lot of these places are connected. 3:03:20.600 --> 3:03:23.760 So in Colombia they kind of did the same thing. 3:03:23.879 --> 3:03:26.920 So Lapamel tu Acon is the place that everybody comes 3:03:26.920 --> 3:03:31.080 into and since every individual farmer does not have connections 3:03:31.120 --> 3:03:36.360 across the world with bringing buyers in and there's no 3:03:36.440 --> 3:03:39.400 promise that they won't be taking advantage of and ain't 3:03:39.400 --> 3:03:41.480 gonna be able to sell but maybe five ten percent 3:03:41.520 --> 3:03:43.720 of the crop. The rest of it either goes to 3:03:43.760 --> 3:03:45.640 the trash or goes to the sea market. It's just 3:03:45.680 --> 3:03:48.240 the open stock market. You just hope somebody buys your beans. 3:03:48.640 --> 3:03:51.480 It's just no way to live. As I explained before, 3:03:51.879 --> 3:03:54.520 what Lapama ends up doing is this is they say, okay, 3:03:54.520 --> 3:03:55.320 we'll check this out. 3:03:56.000 --> 3:03:58.040 We'll buy your coffee, all of it. 3:03:58.360 --> 3:04:01.840 And not only will we buy your coffee, because we 3:04:01.920 --> 3:04:04.640 know you need soil. We're gonna set you up with 3:04:04.680 --> 3:04:07.280 a business so that not only can you sell your 3:04:07.280 --> 3:04:10.440 coffee to us, you can also sell your fertilizer to us. 3:04:10.680 --> 3:04:13.959 And the fertilizer that you're creating, we're going to build 3:04:13.959 --> 3:04:16.560 that business for you. And how they do this is 3:04:16.600 --> 3:04:20.480 this thing called biochar. Now it makes so much sense. 3:04:20.800 --> 3:04:24.680 If you have donkeys and other places at, pigs and 3:04:24.920 --> 3:04:29.120 other animals that have waste, you can make fertilizer. 3:04:30.320 --> 3:04:33.200 Duh, right, So what they do is this. 3:04:33.560 --> 3:04:36.600 They have these composts, these big old flat things that 3:04:36.640 --> 3:04:37.440 they build in front of you. 3:04:37.520 --> 3:04:38.840 They basically they build it for you. 3:04:38.879 --> 3:04:41.240 They went to all the local farms and they were like, 3:04:41.320 --> 3:04:44.640 we'll build this for you, right, and then we'll buy 3:04:44.680 --> 3:04:48.480 the product from you. So they build these flatbed things 3:04:48.920 --> 3:04:50.920 where you could take all the stuff that you would 3:04:50.959 --> 3:04:54.480 compost anyway and put it in this flatbed, cover it, 3:04:54.920 --> 3:04:57.560 and then we're going to give you this stuff called biochar, 3:04:58.000 --> 3:05:01.879 which is some of the dope. It's like Mother Nature 3:05:02.000 --> 3:05:04.840 showing off. So basically it's made from like you heat 3:05:04.920 --> 3:05:09.480 wood right at the highest of temperature with no oxygen, 3:05:09.760 --> 3:05:13.160 so once it becomes carbon, it doesn't turn to ash. 3:05:13.480 --> 3:05:15.120 You know what, I mean it's almost like you know 3:05:15.120 --> 3:05:17.000 when you like after you light a fire, when you 3:05:17.040 --> 3:05:20.880 hold the charred pieces, like how it crumbles away this 3:05:20.920 --> 3:05:23.520 one because you heat it at the highest of temperature 3:05:23.560 --> 3:05:27.280 without letting oxygen in, so like it doesn't become like 3:05:27.320 --> 3:05:29.440 a like a red fire, you know what I'm saying. 3:05:29.840 --> 3:05:34.520 And then you mix that into your compost and it 3:05:34.680 --> 3:05:40.640 just makes this pristine soil. So now guess what. These 3:05:40.680 --> 3:05:42.640 farmers don't have to pay for soil. They don't have 3:05:42.680 --> 3:05:45.000 to pay for nutrient wrench soil. Matter of fact, they 3:05:45.040 --> 3:05:49.240 can sell off the excess. Their crops already been sold. 3:05:49.520 --> 3:05:51.280 So you don't have to go get a loan from 3:05:51.320 --> 3:05:53.240 the state. You would need that loan to be able 3:05:53.240 --> 3:05:55.440 to set up your like your washing stations. Like how 3:05:55.480 --> 3:05:58.760 you get the coffee from a cherry to the roast 3:05:59.040 --> 3:06:01.840 or to the green bean. Is like it's a long process. 3:06:02.000 --> 3:06:04.920 It could be very expensive. It's all good. The homies 3:06:04.959 --> 3:06:06.720 down Narrow do that for you. We'll put you in 3:06:06.800 --> 3:06:10.400 this system and we're gonna pay you even if your 3:06:10.480 --> 3:06:15.080 particular crop, your particular bean isn't sold, because we'll sell 3:06:15.080 --> 3:06:18.760 it somehow, like if it doesn't sell on the high 3:06:18.840 --> 3:06:22.160 end eighty percent Arabica specialty coffee thing. 3:06:22.160 --> 3:06:24.080 We'll figure out a way to sell it. You're still 3:06:24.120 --> 3:06:25.039 getting paid anyway. 3:06:25.160 --> 3:06:27.680 We're buying your whole crop rather than the ten percent 3:06:28.160 --> 3:06:30.880 that would happen, Like I said before, if your beans 3:06:30.920 --> 3:06:33.240 aren't as good as they're supposed to be. These programs 3:06:33.240 --> 3:06:35.199 by one hundred percent from these farmers. So these farmers 3:06:35.200 --> 3:06:38.160 are able to sustain themselves. Right, and now you can 3:06:38.200 --> 3:06:41.400 pass these farms down to your children, right because we're 3:06:41.440 --> 3:06:45.360 doing this collectively. Since we're doing this collectively, especially it's 3:06:45.400 --> 3:06:47.879 what happens in Honduras, a third of the money goes 3:06:47.920 --> 3:06:50.760 to the community itself. I've wrapped at a school that 3:06:50.920 --> 3:06:53.240 was built by them selling the coffee like this, there's 3:06:53.320 --> 3:06:55.320 now a medical clinic because a lot of times these 3:06:55.360 --> 3:06:59.000 farms are hundreds of miles away from the city. 3:06:59.320 --> 3:07:01.320 You have to get lifted as something's wrong. 3:07:01.640 --> 3:07:04.880 And since these are indigenous communities, they're the most forgotten 3:07:05.120 --> 3:07:10.560 oftentimes in these areas. So purchasing these coffees really at 3:07:10.600 --> 3:07:12.840 a high price, which is what we're supposed to do, 3:07:13.720 --> 3:07:19.080 guarantees that the individual farmers paid, the community is paid. 3:07:19.400 --> 3:07:22.120 It's done in a way that's tied much more to 3:07:22.160 --> 3:07:29.120 the indigenous practices and now collectively, because we're buying from 3:07:29.520 --> 3:07:34.840 responsible places that are locally grown, now we can afford 3:07:34.879 --> 3:07:38.000 to bring the EU people down here to prove that 3:07:38.280 --> 3:07:42.000 this is not a process of deforestation because they're moving 3:07:42.120 --> 3:07:45.400 collectively for real. It's just like fast fashion. It's like 3:07:45.760 --> 3:07:48.440 that T shirt only three dollars because the sweatshop. You 3:07:48.480 --> 3:07:50.039 truly do get what you pay for in a lot 3:07:50.040 --> 3:07:53.520 of way. And finally, I'm gonna tell you where tech 3:07:53.600 --> 3:08:00.000 is actually helping, and it's this program called Bext three sixty. 3:08:00.000 --> 3:08:02.280 Could use a little help on the marketing, but it's 3:08:02.360 --> 3:08:10.400 essentially they're using blockchain to create transparency and it's probably 3:08:10.400 --> 3:08:12.520 the dopest thing I've ever seen. And I saw it 3:08:12.840 --> 3:08:15.680 from wanted of the supply chain to the other. So 3:08:16.320 --> 3:08:19.840 in this program, these local farmers right who had just 3:08:19.879 --> 3:08:23.360 have these small home plots, who have been running these 3:08:23.360 --> 3:08:26.120 plots for centuries. Is their grandfather's land they you know, 3:08:26.160 --> 3:08:27.800 they grandmama's land that. 3:08:27.840 --> 3:08:28.360 They got it. 3:08:28.600 --> 3:08:34.320 Who don't have access to American and worldwide coffee buyers 3:08:34.560 --> 3:08:37.480 meet up with this collective, right, the Karacha collective. That's 3:08:37.520 --> 3:08:40.039 one of them that I'm that I'm specifically talking about. 3:08:40.280 --> 3:08:42.600 And Karacha signed up with this thing called bext. And 3:08:42.680 --> 3:08:46.160 what happens in bext is if you've ever been to 3:08:46.800 --> 3:08:49.920 developing countries, not everybody ain't got a smartphone. So in 3:08:50.040 --> 3:08:53.920 this thing, once the farmer harvest is alls beans, washes 3:08:53.959 --> 3:08:56.959 them and says, hey, I got these many kilos of 3:08:57.040 --> 3:09:00.360 this type of being. Click, opens his bext app on 3:09:00.360 --> 3:09:03.000 his smartphone, takes a picture of it and puts the 3:09:03.000 --> 3:09:06.640 weights and the numbers so that we know everybody and 3:09:06.720 --> 3:09:09.120 everybody in the supply chain can see this. There's a 3:09:09.160 --> 3:09:12.040 QR code even on the bag. Once you buy the 3:09:12.080 --> 3:09:15.200 bag in Sacramento, there's a QR code on it, so 3:09:15.240 --> 3:09:17.840 you could see all this. So the kid from the 3:09:17.879 --> 3:09:22.840 farm snaps the thing. It goes to the exporter, which 3:09:22.840 --> 3:09:25.400 who just lives down the street. It's not like some 3:09:25.760 --> 3:09:28.520 you multi conglomerate company from the North. 3:09:28.640 --> 3:09:30.959 No, this lady lives down the street. She's born and 3:09:31.040 --> 3:09:31.600 raised here. 3:09:32.080 --> 3:09:35.560 She opens it up and she says to us who 3:09:35.600 --> 3:09:38.480 flew in from America to be like, yo, we want 3:09:38.480 --> 3:09:41.320 to try some coffee. Opens the app and says, hey, 3:09:41.720 --> 3:09:44.080 this is the farmer, this where it is this how 3:09:44.160 --> 3:09:46.040 much he wants this, how much he asking for it? 3:09:46.360 --> 3:09:49.280 Here's our price. But I'm looking at the app that's 3:09:49.280 --> 3:09:52.840 what he's charging. And then I know she's adding a 3:09:52.920 --> 3:09:56.680 third of that price because the other third of what 3:09:56.760 --> 3:10:00.240 she's asking for is literally paying for the hospital that's 3:10:00.280 --> 3:10:02.640 across the street. So it makes perfect sense to me. 3:10:02.920 --> 3:10:05.160 And I'm looking at it and I'm like, Okay, cool, 3:10:05.600 --> 3:10:08.200 I know how much the shipping container costs because I'm 3:10:08.280 --> 3:10:08.720 seeing it. 3:10:09.200 --> 3:10:11.360 Of course I got to pay for shipping. What did 3:10:11.400 --> 3:10:12.119 you talking about? 3:10:12.280 --> 3:10:15.280 So it's all transparent, it all makes sense, and it's 3:10:15.320 --> 3:10:21.160 all regentitive financially in climate wise. Once we buy it, 3:10:21.879 --> 3:10:25.720 I can see if she paid the farmer, because that's 3:10:25.760 --> 3:10:28.199 also in the app. So once the farmer gets his money, 3:10:28.600 --> 3:10:32.000 takes a picture, got the money, screenshot received, and then 3:10:32.240 --> 3:10:34.320 a portion of that money is given in cash so 3:10:34.360 --> 3:10:36.760 that you could pay the kids that picked your farm. 3:10:37.160 --> 3:10:40.280 Click saw that. That's in the app. Right as that. 3:10:40.240 --> 3:10:43.080 Stuff is shipped across the country or across the ocean, 3:10:43.520 --> 3:10:46.600 you can put in all of the roasting notes, which 3:10:46.640 --> 3:10:48.959 are kind of lame if you're not really into stuff 3:10:48.959 --> 3:10:52.959 like that. And then finally the sealed bag that says 3:10:53.240 --> 3:10:57.520 here's one from Denver, Queen City Collective Coffee right that. Hey, look, 3:10:57.720 --> 3:11:00.720 this is a Honduras being. We bought it this price, 3:11:01.080 --> 3:11:04.200 and then when you pay it's called a third cost. 3:11:04.480 --> 3:11:07.600 When you buy the bag, there's an extra dollar added 3:11:07.600 --> 3:11:09.720 to the cost of the bag, and that extra dollar 3:11:10.200 --> 3:11:11.520 does not go to the roaster. 3:11:11.680 --> 3:11:12.960 It goes back to the farmer. 3:11:13.400 --> 3:11:13.800 You know how. 3:11:13.800 --> 3:11:16.040 I know because there's a QR code. You could check 3:11:16.080 --> 3:11:19.680 it and the farmer can confirm if they got they money. 3:11:19.879 --> 3:11:25.000 It's transparency. It's us taking care of us. So obviously, 3:11:25.040 --> 3:11:27.440 because the world works the way it works. If this 3:11:27.520 --> 3:11:30.600 continues to be financially viable, here's some of the things 3:11:30.680 --> 3:11:32.800 we could do. One is we could start drinking more 3:11:32.879 --> 3:11:36.000 robustica like everybody else, and it's actually delicious if you 3:11:36.000 --> 3:11:38.360 could find a good roaster. And Tabby is a great 3:11:38.440 --> 3:11:42.040 roaster New Yen Supply. She's amazing. She does cold brew 3:11:42.320 --> 3:11:45.800 and like Vietnamese coffee, it's robustica. But then there's other 3:11:45.879 --> 3:11:49.920 spots across the world. It's going to cost a little more, 3:11:50.040 --> 3:11:52.199 but I'm telling you why it costs a little more 3:11:52.600 --> 3:11:58.720 because they come from a multiculture land that uses indigenous practices. 3:11:59.080 --> 3:12:01.840 That has lowered its car and footprint, that is direct 3:12:01.840 --> 3:12:03.920 traded and has transparency. 3:12:04.440 --> 3:12:07.320 This is not a list of everybody doing this. 3:12:07.400 --> 3:12:10.000 These are the listed of people that I know personally 3:12:10.280 --> 3:12:11.720 and people that have researched. 3:12:12.000 --> 3:12:16.199 So in North Caak and South Cak you got Black. 3:12:15.920 --> 3:12:20.080 And White Roasters, and you got Bridge City Roasters Denver. 3:12:20.160 --> 3:12:26.240 There's Queen City Collective up in Sacramento. There's Old Soul Coffee, Onyx, 3:12:26.280 --> 3:12:29.840 Coffee Lab, Coffee Black that's there in Memphis. All these 3:12:29.879 --> 3:12:32.879 people you could order their coffee is online don Cavo 3:12:32.920 --> 3:12:38.360 Hall in New York. The transparency is there and is 3:12:38.400 --> 3:12:40.560 doing its best to make sure that this being stays 3:12:40.600 --> 3:12:43.279 on this planet. So I'll link in the show notes 3:12:43.600 --> 3:12:45.720 all of the data that I'm pulling this from and 3:12:46.760 --> 3:12:49.960 ways for which you can connect with like very socially 3:12:50.000 --> 3:12:57.879 responsible and climate responsible coffee roasters Geez only sixteen years old. 3:12:57.959 --> 3:12:59.879 Boy, I tell you that's the first lyric. 3:13:00.080 --> 3:13:00.600 Yes, all. 3:13:20.400 --> 3:13:22.640 Its it could happen here. It's the podcast. 3:13:23.080 --> 3:13:27.080 I didn't write an intro for this because everything, everything 3:13:27.120 --> 3:13:30.720 incredibly sucks. This is the podcast where bad things happened. 3:13:31.280 --> 3:13:33.240 I'm your host with me as Garrison. 3:13:33.440 --> 3:13:36.240 Yeah, it's been a lot of bad things the past week, 3:13:36.720 --> 3:13:40.440 past year, but the past week and a half it's 3:13:40.480 --> 3:13:41.240 been pretty bad. 3:13:41.800 --> 3:13:43.760 Yeah, And one of the things that's been very bad 3:13:43.959 --> 3:13:47.920 is literally everything Israel has been up to, like I mean, 3:13:47.959 --> 3:13:52.000 since it was founded, but the last three four weeks, 3:13:52.080 --> 3:13:55.480 somehow things have gotten worse, which is a sort of 3:13:55.600 --> 3:13:58.920 unbelievable thing to say about a genocide, but it's expanding. 3:13:59.400 --> 3:14:03.200 So yeah, there is at the end of this one 3:14:03.240 --> 3:14:05.879 of the most bizarre trunk quotes I've ever seen. So 3:14:06.000 --> 3:14:07.680 that's why I promise to you to stick with this. 3:14:07.920 --> 3:14:12.680 But oh boy, everything is very, very bad. So we 3:14:12.800 --> 3:14:16.320 now have I guess I don't even know if France 3:14:16.520 --> 3:14:18.840 is the right way to talk about this. But what 3:14:18.920 --> 3:14:23.240 we have in Gaza, which is where the main Israeli 3:14:23.240 --> 3:14:26.720 offensive is going right now, well we'll get into that. 3:14:26.720 --> 3:14:28.959 There's a bunch of stuff in Lebanon too, where they're 3:14:29.080 --> 3:14:34.640 pulling troops to, but in Gaza, everything just continues to 3:14:34.720 --> 3:14:37.520 get worse, even though so these Raelis have pulled out 3:14:37.600 --> 3:14:40.120 some troops from Gaza, but they're also still making another 3:14:40.160 --> 3:14:44.000 offensive into northern Gaza. And the thing about the way 3:14:44.000 --> 3:14:47.000 that the Israelis make offensive into places is that the 3:14:47.040 --> 3:14:49.280 thing that the Israelis do is they just immediately start 3:14:49.320 --> 3:14:50.240 shooting at hospitals. 3:14:50.840 --> 3:14:54.039 So that's been a big part of what's happening. 3:14:54.520 --> 3:14:58.400 Something that used to be like controversial and like widely 3:14:58.480 --> 3:15:01.960 newsworthy a year ago attacks on hospitals now have become 3:15:02.080 --> 3:15:06.360 so normalized and he sensitized that it doesn't even make headlines, 3:15:06.400 --> 3:15:10.280 which that's been one of the most indicative factors that 3:15:10.879 --> 3:15:12.760 this has gone about as bad as it could have. 3:15:13.360 --> 3:15:16.880 I remember a year ago, we were like debating whether 3:15:17.040 --> 3:15:21.080 or not the Israeli military intentionally like struck a hospital, 3:15:21.480 --> 3:15:23.440 and this was like this was like a week's long 3:15:23.480 --> 3:15:26.440 debate trying to figure out what exactly happened. And now 3:15:26.520 --> 3:15:30.120 attacks on hospitals are just complete commonplace. It's like we've 3:15:30.160 --> 3:15:31.279 just totally lost. 3:15:31.840 --> 3:15:35.000 Yeah, And I mean, you know, like it's not even 3:15:35.240 --> 3:15:38.240 just that that the Israelis are deliberately targeting hospitals, it's 3:15:38.280 --> 3:15:41.920 that the temporary facilities people have been trying to set 3:15:42.000 --> 3:15:45.400 up because the hospitals are being blown up are also being. 3:15:45.200 --> 3:15:49.320 Attacked, Yeah, which has also been going on for ages, Yeah, 3:15:49.360 --> 3:15:51.560 almost a year now, like almost immediately as soon as 3:15:51.600 --> 3:15:55.920 like humanitarian aid and like and like like impromptu medical 3:15:56.000 --> 3:15:59.320 tents were set up. Those were also the targets, and 3:15:59.360 --> 3:16:00.720 this is this is all discontinued. 3:16:01.360 --> 3:16:03.400 Yeah, And I think the thing that's you know, it's 3:16:03.480 --> 3:16:06.800 bleak about it, right is like I mean, I mean, 3:16:06.800 --> 3:16:08.080 it's not the thing. The thing that's bleak about it 3:16:08.120 --> 3:16:10.560 is that they're blowing up hospitals. But I mean, we've 3:16:10.600 --> 3:16:13.360 reached a point into this where it's not even newsory 3:16:13.480 --> 3:16:17.560 but be the Israelis don't even like attempt to justify 3:16:17.600 --> 3:16:19.720 it anymore. I mean, if you if you remember a 3:16:19.800 --> 3:16:22.039 year ago when they were doing this, it'd be all 3:16:22.080 --> 3:16:25.520 of the stuff about how, oh we found Homas tunnels 3:16:25.600 --> 3:16:28.280 under the hospitals, and there's just not event anymore. They're 3:16:28.360 --> 3:16:32.560 just they're just shooting at hospitals. Sometimes they give evacuation orders. 3:16:32.600 --> 3:16:34.959 They've been That's the other thing that's been happening periodically 3:16:35.160 --> 3:16:40.640 is the Israelis keep basically you know, in places in 3:16:40.680 --> 3:16:42.879 northern Gaza, they'll be like everyone has to leave now, 3:16:43.400 --> 3:16:45.480 and then they'll bomb it and they'll keep bombing it. 3:16:46.280 --> 3:16:48.080 Part of the thing about covering Gaza, right is all 3:16:48.120 --> 3:16:51.080 of the stuff that we're saying is stuff that was 3:16:51.120 --> 3:16:53.720 a major news story like six months ago, and is 3:16:53.760 --> 3:16:56.800 no longer a major news story because the slaughter has 3:16:56.840 --> 3:17:01.320 become just sort of so rutinized. But you know, so 3:17:01.440 --> 3:17:06.320 people are fleeing from northern Gaza into what's supposed to 3:17:06.320 --> 3:17:09.040 be the safe zone in central Gaza, except that Israelis 3:17:09.120 --> 3:17:11.720 keeps shooting at their refugee camps in central Gaza, so 3:17:12.120 --> 3:17:18.920 it's not actually there's there's not actually a place you 3:17:19.040 --> 3:17:24.760 can be in Gaza where you're not getting bombed. What 3:17:24.800 --> 3:17:28.080 there is is some places sometimes are less bombed than 3:17:28.120 --> 3:17:33.600 other places. And you know, I think there had been 3:17:33.680 --> 3:17:38.880 a tiny amount of hope that the only conceivable upside 3:17:38.920 --> 3:17:40.600 about the invasion of Lebanon was that there would be 3:17:40.600 --> 3:17:42.400 a pull out of troops and we'd see less offensive. 3:17:42.680 --> 3:17:44.840 But you know, they've just been escalating bombing campaigns and 3:17:44.879 --> 3:17:48.720 are doing some offensive anyways. So yeah, there's there's there's 3:17:48.720 --> 3:17:53.200 continuingly sort of Israeli attacks into into partial northern Gaza. 3:17:54.280 --> 3:17:57.080 The other big thing, and this is what most of 3:17:57.120 --> 3:18:00.680 this episode is going to be about, is a new front. 3:18:00.760 --> 3:18:03.920 After already having like having this entire thing in Gauza. 3:18:04.240 --> 3:18:06.040 There was also like an invasion of the West Bank, 3:18:06.520 --> 3:18:09.600 which again is like I don't know how to express 3:18:09.640 --> 3:18:11.520 how insane it is to have a war where you're 3:18:11.560 --> 3:18:16.080 nominally fighting against Hamas and then invade the West Bank, 3:18:16.120 --> 3:18:19.920 a place where there isn't Hamas. But they've done that too. 3:18:20.160 --> 3:18:21.600 There's been parts of the West Bank, there's been a 3:18:21.600 --> 3:18:24.560 bunch of really troops and you know, we know they've 3:18:24.560 --> 3:18:27.360 been fighting in Yemen as much bombings in Yemen, but 3:18:27.400 --> 3:18:30.920 also now they've just straight up invaded Lebanon, And this 3:18:31.000 --> 3:18:34.640 is the sort of chain of events of this was 3:18:35.840 --> 3:18:37.400 I don't know if kicked off is the right word, 3:18:37.440 --> 3:18:41.480 but it was. It was dramatically accelerated by the assassination 3:18:41.920 --> 3:18:45.640 of Hassan Nosraala, who is I think most people are 3:18:45.680 --> 3:18:47.400 aware that he's the head of Hesbalon has been the 3:18:47.440 --> 3:18:50.560 head of this BLAS since like nineteen ninety two, which 3:18:50.600 --> 3:18:53.200 is longer than anyone who's on this episode right now 3:18:53.200 --> 3:18:53.840 has been alive. 3:18:54.560 --> 3:18:56.840 Was this the one who was killed in those like 3:18:56.920 --> 3:19:00.959 apartment like carpet carpet bombings? Yeah, yeah, so, I mean yeah, 3:19:01.040 --> 3:19:04.640 even still, assassination is a strong word for uh or 3:19:05.160 --> 3:19:08.119 I guess a light word for just bombing. Like it 3:19:08.160 --> 3:19:11.120 was like what three large apartment complexes. 3:19:11.600 --> 3:19:14.720 Yeah, they just obliterated a bunch of complexes with like 3:19:14.760 --> 3:19:16.360 something like eighty bunker busters. 3:19:17.320 --> 3:19:18.199 Yeah. 3:19:18.520 --> 3:19:21.920 So this is actually the second time that the Israelis 3:19:21.920 --> 3:19:23.600 have just straight up killed someone they were supposed to 3:19:23.680 --> 3:19:26.680 nominally be negotiating with. They killed the head of Hamas 3:19:26.800 --> 3:19:30.720 like in a ran. So you know, we talked about 3:19:30.720 --> 3:19:34.600 on this show the initial wave of attacks on Lebanon, 3:19:34.640 --> 3:19:37.520 which is the sort of the pager explosions, and the 3:19:37.520 --> 3:19:40.360 fallow up to the pager explosions was that they figured 3:19:40.360 --> 3:19:44.000 out what bunker that ISRAELA was in and they just 3:19:44.120 --> 3:19:47.760 killed him. This is extremely bad for a lot of reasons, 3:19:47.879 --> 3:19:52.640 one of which is that has blawed kind of hadn't 3:19:53.000 --> 3:19:56.280 really been on full war footing until this point. Like 3:19:56.400 --> 3:19:59.000 they've been doing a bunch of rocket attacks on northern Israel, 3:19:59.080 --> 3:20:01.160 right and they've been these sort of exchanges of rocket 3:20:01.160 --> 3:20:05.720 fire across the border, but they hadn't really escalated beyond that. 3:20:06.280 --> 3:20:09.000 And then the Israelis were like, well, just fuck it, okay, 3:20:09.000 --> 3:20:13.880 we want our invasion of Lebanon. Andraal was kind of like, 3:20:14.240 --> 3:20:16.200 I don't know if like moderating force is quite the 3:20:16.280 --> 3:20:20.280 right term here, but his policy wasn't that Hesbolah was 3:20:20.320 --> 3:20:23.000 going to fight a total war against Israel, and the 3:20:23.000 --> 3:20:25.800 Israelis just fucking murdered him anyways, So we should probably 3:20:25.800 --> 3:20:28.800 talk about who Nosrauala is. He's not from like the 3:20:28.920 --> 3:20:33.240 original Hesbela cadres, from from the original Lebanese of war 3:20:33.560 --> 3:20:36.080 when the emergenes in eighty two. He's not from that cadre. 3:20:36.120 --> 3:20:40.400 But he's a pretty old school Hesbola guy by this point. 3:20:40.800 --> 3:20:42.600 He's you know, I've talking about like he's been in 3:20:42.680 --> 3:20:45.040 charge of Hesbelog for fucking ever. Like I am not 3:20:45.080 --> 3:20:46.720 old enough to remember a time when he was not 3:20:46.800 --> 3:20:50.000 in charge of Hesblah because I wasn't born yet, I 3:20:50.000 --> 3:20:51.840 don't know he's he's one of the people who's seen 3:20:52.280 --> 3:20:59.040 Hesbelah's sort of expansion and also seen Hesbelod be able 3:20:59.120 --> 3:21:02.400 to be like the only of the sort of major 3:21:03.040 --> 3:21:06.040 Lebanese political parties who were in the negotiations to end 3:21:06.040 --> 3:21:08.959 the civil war kind of oversaw the process of Hesbela 3:21:09.000 --> 3:21:13.320 being like the only armed party like left in Lebanon 3:21:13.360 --> 3:21:16.320 other than like the regular army right. He was also 3:21:16.440 --> 3:21:21.320 very famously in charge of Hesbela's I don't know how 3:21:21.320 --> 3:21:23.480 exactly you wanted. I don't know, there's a whole bunch 3:21:23.520 --> 3:21:25.360 of stuff about how the war in two thousand and 3:21:25.360 --> 3:21:29.920 six started. But in two thousand and six, Israel made 3:21:29.920 --> 3:21:32.360 this attempt to sort of like do their big anti 3:21:32.440 --> 3:21:33.279 Hesbelah push. 3:21:33.520 --> 3:21:38.119 They invaded Lebanon, and Israel didn't do very well. 3:21:38.520 --> 3:21:40.680 They were expecting, and I think what most people were 3:21:40.680 --> 3:21:43.440 expecting Hesbla to fight like, you know, like a gorilla army, 3:21:43.520 --> 3:21:45.920 right doing hit a run attacks, doing doing the sort 3:21:45.959 --> 3:21:48.800 of like the whole sort of last century of gorilla 3:21:48.840 --> 3:21:49.600 hit and run campaigns. 3:21:49.600 --> 3:21:50.400 And they didn't do that. 3:21:50.600 --> 3:21:52.840 They basically they sat there and fought like a conventional 3:21:52.959 --> 3:21:55.200 army with a bunch of bunker networks. And the Israelis 3:21:55.280 --> 3:21:58.520 did extremely poorly in that war. And I think this 3:21:59.200 --> 3:22:01.760 is influenced a lot of the way that people were 3:22:01.760 --> 3:22:03.720 thinking about how this how this fight was going to work, 3:22:03.800 --> 3:22:05.040 and it hasn't. 3:22:06.160 --> 3:22:09.000 But you know the fact that Hesbla was able to 3:22:09.000 --> 3:22:09.360 sort of. 3:22:09.280 --> 3:22:12.200 Stave off the initial attack and then the Israelis spent 3:22:12.360 --> 3:22:15.720 like forty more days doing a bombing campaign and everyone 3:22:15.760 --> 3:22:19.320 just called it quits was absolutely huge for Hesbela as 3:22:19.320 --> 3:22:24.440 a political force. Unfortunately for them, I guess they burned 3:22:24.640 --> 3:22:28.160 an unbelievable amount of that political capital that they they'd 3:22:28.200 --> 3:22:31.160 gotten from being really the first people in a long 3:22:31.200 --> 3:22:34.520 time to like actually be able to viably claim that 3:22:34.560 --> 3:22:37.959 they defeated Israel. And I mean, it's obviously like both 3:22:38.040 --> 3:22:40.600 both sides of that declared victory, but Hesblood puts up 3:22:40.640 --> 3:22:43.000 a better fight against the Israelis and like it's like 3:22:43.040 --> 3:22:46.240 stops their ground advance in a way that like was 3:22:46.879 --> 3:22:50.160 almost unimaginable at that point, even though Hesbola had sort 3:22:50.200 --> 3:22:53.440 of fought pretty well during the Lebanies of the world, 3:22:53.600 --> 3:22:55.320 is better than most of the other sort of like 3:22:55.360 --> 3:22:58.560 anti Israeli factions that weren't a state, and even I 3:22:58.600 --> 3:23:00.120 mean even most of the states that a thought as 3:23:00.120 --> 3:23:02.360 you have done extremely poorly. We're going to go to 3:23:02.440 --> 3:23:04.160 ads and then when we come back, we're going to 3:23:04.240 --> 3:23:07.400 talk a bit about how has a Blot's position weakened 3:23:07.440 --> 3:23:10.360 and how the Israelis have just sort of decided that 3:23:10.400 --> 3:23:14.160 this is a moment they can just murder everyone in 3:23:23.200 --> 3:23:27.360 So we are back with more I guess very very 3:23:27.360 --> 3:23:30.160 short summary of what has Bust been up to over 3:23:30.160 --> 3:23:34.959 the last about thirty years. So part of the reason 3:23:35.360 --> 3:23:39.320 that things haven't been going enormously well for HESB Law 3:23:39.520 --> 3:23:41.879 is that a lot of their capacity was weakened by 3:23:41.920 --> 3:23:46.360 the fact that HESBA Law during Theuserian Civil War through 3:23:46.440 --> 3:23:50.840 their entire backing behind the SAD and this was like 3:23:51.080 --> 3:23:55.160 hideously unpopular for I think, I think reasons that are 3:23:55.160 --> 3:23:58.160 obvious most people listening. But one of the big ones 3:23:58.480 --> 3:24:04.240 is it's hitting unpopular in like in Palestine, I got 3:24:04.480 --> 3:24:06.040 I guess who ran the poll, but there so there's 3:24:06.040 --> 3:24:07.840 a fairy famous pole that was showing like the disapproval 3:24:07.959 --> 3:24:10.640 rating in paleside different world leaders. I mean they didn't 3:24:10.680 --> 3:24:13.440 pull in net Yahoo because obviously like is net Yahoo, 3:24:13.480 --> 3:24:15.160 but like the two highest ones that weren't in net 3:24:15.160 --> 3:24:17.879 in Yahoo were it was like Biden at eighty percent, 3:24:18.360 --> 3:24:21.600 and then slightly higher than Biden was Bashar al Assad 3:24:22.440 --> 3:24:26.360 because he is hideously unpopular, partially for a bunch of 3:24:26.360 --> 3:24:29.560 shit that he did in a very very large Palasinian 3:24:29.640 --> 3:24:32.520 refugee camp there that you know has been a lot 3:24:32.560 --> 3:24:34.520 fucking backed them for and so has well spent a 3:24:34.520 --> 3:24:38.920 lot of the last decade just sort of running around 3:24:39.040 --> 3:24:42.800 Syria backing the assaud rechime, and that I don't know Garrison. 3:24:44.800 --> 3:24:45.720 That doesn't make you. 3:24:45.640 --> 3:24:48.760 Popular anywhere other than like extremely weird sections of the 3:24:48.800 --> 3:24:49.520 American left. 3:24:50.160 --> 3:24:52.280 Yeah, I mean, I guess some of the American right. 3:24:52.879 --> 3:24:55.360 When you're backing a guy who is just like who 3:24:55.480 --> 3:24:58.039 was doing a thing the Israelis do, like obviously on 3:24:58.040 --> 3:25:00.680 a smaller scale, but like shooting up like palsi refugee cans. 3:25:00.680 --> 3:25:02.000 He's not going to be enormously popular. 3:25:02.160 --> 3:25:07.280 Whenever there's a guy who's like seriously maimed your family members, yeah, 3:25:07.320 --> 3:25:09.240 it's pretty pretty easy to dislike him. 3:25:09.680 --> 3:25:12.080 Yeah, and like whatever things that's going on in the 3:25:12.120 --> 3:25:15.920 story that like we need a fucking seventy part episode 3:25:15.920 --> 3:25:20.560 to talk about. But Syria occupied a bunch of Lebanon 3:25:21.480 --> 3:25:24.320 for a long time, and that also like hasn't made 3:25:24.360 --> 3:25:28.720 him enormously popular in the region. But you know, Heswal's 3:25:28.720 --> 3:25:30.560 position is that they like they have the slogan that 3:25:30.640 --> 3:25:33.640 goes the road to Jerusalem runs to Aleppo, which is 3:25:33.680 --> 3:25:36.320 just like just not how any of this has worked. 3:25:36.360 --> 3:25:39.480 It's been a complete fiasco. Has lost performance in Syria 3:25:40.040 --> 3:25:44.600 hasn't been very good. Can you explain what that phrase means? Yeah, yeah, So, 3:25:44.600 --> 3:25:46.480 so the point of this basically was that in order 3:25:46.520 --> 3:25:50.600 to defeat the Zionists through some incredibly murky logic, like 3:25:50.959 --> 3:25:53.640 the Asad regime had to be kept in power, and 3:25:53.680 --> 3:25:56.119 this was this was a sort of the justification that 3:25:56.320 --> 3:25:58.920 was used by Hesbela to just send a bunch of 3:25:58.959 --> 3:26:02.520 troops there to ornate with a bunch of other different 3:26:02.560 --> 3:26:03.080 groups there. 3:26:03.120 --> 3:26:04.000 And I mean, like it's. 3:26:03.840 --> 3:26:07.040 It's a really terrible decision, both on a moral and 3:26:07.080 --> 3:26:09.160 a strategic level, in the sense that like it caused 3:26:09.200 --> 3:26:11.480 a rift between what it's supposed to be the resistance 3:26:11.480 --> 3:26:14.680 factions in Palestine, and it just killed a bunch of people, 3:26:15.360 --> 3:26:18.240 and like the Iranians are sending I don't actually know 3:26:18.240 --> 3:26:19.480 how many people know about the story, but one of 3:26:19.560 --> 3:26:22.800 the like terrifying things that's happening in this is that 3:26:22.800 --> 3:26:25.160 that there's a bunch of refugees from Afghanistan, you flee 3:26:25.200 --> 3:26:29.640 to Iran, and the Iranians like basically conscrict a bunch 3:26:29.680 --> 3:26:31.760 of these people and send them into Syria with rifles. 3:26:32.760 --> 3:26:34.440 So it's like these people are like fighting alongside has 3:26:34.480 --> 3:26:37.480 blon Hesla. They don't do great because Hezeblah has always 3:26:37.800 --> 3:26:42.240 been good at fighting, like fairly obviously morally justified defensive 3:26:42.280 --> 3:26:45.960 wars inside of Lebanon and then they go off and 3:26:46.120 --> 3:26:50.640 fight basically like a semi imperial war in Syria. 3:26:50.720 --> 3:26:51.640 It's fucking shit show. 3:26:52.800 --> 3:26:55.400 And this has been extremely bad for their capacity, and 3:26:55.680 --> 3:26:59.080 it also really hurt has Blot politically because again it 3:26:59.080 --> 3:27:03.039 was also very very unpopular in Lebanon. And this kind 3:27:03.080 --> 3:27:06.760 of all leads us to the last few weeks of 3:27:07.320 --> 3:27:11.840 like terrible shit that's been happening, where yeah, the Israelis 3:27:11.920 --> 3:27:17.680 just fucking launched this hideous bombing campaign, I mean just 3:27:17.720 --> 3:27:20.280 really just all over Lebanon, right, you know, most of 3:27:20.320 --> 3:27:23.160 the most of the reporting has been about their attacks 3:27:23.160 --> 3:27:25.480 in the south, but like, they've bombed the capital, they've 3:27:25.480 --> 3:27:30.720 bombed Tripoli, they've killed I think so far it's one 3:27:30.760 --> 3:27:32.280 of these things where the death counts kind of have 3:27:32.360 --> 3:27:35.800 stopped updating, but in the last few days it looks 3:27:35.840 --> 3:27:39.560 like they've killed about two thousand people. It's not enormously clear, 3:27:40.080 --> 3:27:44.280 but yeah, it's things that things have gotten extremely unbelievably bad. 3:27:44.920 --> 3:27:48.720 And this has also really, I think been a kind 3:27:48.760 --> 3:27:53.280 of mask off moment for both the US and the Israelis, 3:27:53.320 --> 3:27:56.840 where all of the things that they've been pretending for 3:27:56.879 --> 3:27:59.520 the last year they're just straight up saying that they 3:27:59.520 --> 3:28:02.680 don't believe anymore. I think that the best indicator of 3:28:02.720 --> 3:28:06.840 this is there's a White House press conference and Matthew Miller, 3:28:06.879 --> 3:28:11.280 who's one of the White House spokesperson answered a question about, Yeah, 3:28:11.280 --> 3:28:14.480 it's just about the conflicts, and he said, quote, yes, 3:28:14.560 --> 3:28:17.800 we do support Israel launching these incursions to degrade has 3:28:17.879 --> 3:28:22.520 blaws infrastructure, which like kind of sounds like a standard 3:28:22.520 --> 3:28:24.000 like the US words is real thing. But if you 3:28:24.080 --> 3:28:27.600 actually read into what that's saying, he's saying, the US's 3:28:27.640 --> 3:28:29.680 official position is no longer ret there trying to get 3:28:29.680 --> 3:28:32.200 a ceasefire. Right, That's that's what he's saying. This is 3:28:32.360 --> 3:28:36.680 immediate and active support for the israelis not not only 3:28:36.720 --> 3:28:39.879 not attempting to end the war, but expanding it into Lebanon. 3:28:40.520 --> 3:28:43.720 And this is something that like hadn't been in an 3:28:43.760 --> 3:28:48.000 explicit like war goal for Israel sort of until this point. 3:28:48.560 --> 3:28:51.720 The line had always been that the point of this 3:28:51.959 --> 3:28:53.760 was to bring back the hostages. Right, But like there's 3:28:53.760 --> 3:28:57.360 no fucking hostages in Lebanon, Like there isn't there just aren't, right, 3:28:57.400 --> 3:28:58.960 That's that's not how any of this works. And at 3:28:58.959 --> 3:29:02.400 this point all of the sort of pretenses falling away 3:29:02.680 --> 3:29:06.120 and it just degrading into this pure slaughter. And when 3:29:06.120 --> 3:29:08.560 we come back from this ADS, we're gonna wrap up 3:29:08.760 --> 3:29:13.760 with more stuff that mostly sucks. And also Trump's latest 3:29:13.840 --> 3:29:15.400 thing on this, which is very weird. 3:29:26.160 --> 3:29:26.800 We are back. 3:29:27.560 --> 3:29:29.720 So as this has been going on in the past 3:29:29.760 --> 3:29:33.360 couple of days, net Niyahoo posted a I don't even 3:29:33.400 --> 3:29:35.640 know how to describe it, one of the weirdest videos 3:29:35.720 --> 3:29:40.000 I've seen since, like that insane Kevin Bacon won that's 3:29:40.120 --> 3:29:45.000 just him threatening Lebanon. He says, quote, you have an 3:29:45.000 --> 3:29:48.080 opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss 3:29:48.120 --> 3:29:50.160 of a long war that will lead to destruction and 3:29:50.200 --> 3:29:53.000 suffering like we see in Gaza. She's just straight up 3:29:53.040 --> 3:29:58.000 threatening Lebanon as Israeli troops are moving across the borders. 3:29:58.240 --> 3:30:01.800 She's for occupying a tempted occupied He's just straight up saying, 3:30:02.760 --> 3:30:05.920 like Lebanon needs to just throw out Hesbela somehow, even 3:30:05.959 --> 3:30:09.200 though it's just like a political party. They need to 3:30:09.240 --> 3:30:11.840 completely destroy Hesbela somehow. Otherwise Israel is going to do 3:30:11.840 --> 3:30:15.680 to Lebanon when they've done to Gaza. And that I 3:30:15.720 --> 3:30:18.840 don't know is a unbelievably hideous expansion of the war. 3:30:19.480 --> 3:30:22.120 Could you give some context for like why Israel is 3:30:22.160 --> 3:30:26.400 making moves into Lebanon. We know, like they're targeting has Beila, 3:30:26.800 --> 3:30:32.080 but there's also like a degree of territorial dispute over 3:30:32.440 --> 3:30:36.119 where Israel ends and Lebanon begins. Yeah, that Israel has 3:30:36.320 --> 3:30:39.879 been kind of like wanting to increase tensions over for 3:30:39.920 --> 3:30:42.760 a while, and it feels like they're just using the 3:30:42.800 --> 3:30:45.600 war in Gaza as a cover to also try to 3:30:45.680 --> 3:30:48.279 claim like territory of southern Lebanon. 3:30:48.879 --> 3:30:51.320 Yeah, and I mean this gets into so I think 3:30:51.320 --> 3:30:53.760 there's three kind of reasons, and I think that are 3:30:53.800 --> 3:30:57.680 all overlapping factors for different groups of people, you know, 3:30:57.680 --> 3:31:01.160 because like dif different Israeli political factions, different sort of 3:31:01.160 --> 3:31:04.640 strategic like elements of the military set, et cetera, are 3:31:04.680 --> 3:31:07.240 doing things for sometimes overlapping sometimes different reasons. Like there's 3:31:07.240 --> 3:31:10.640 the obvious one, which is like, Okay, there's a dislike 3:31:10.680 --> 3:31:13.000 for has blawed, that's being that's been funneled because a 3:31:13.040 --> 3:31:15.680 bunch of people in settlements in northern Israel have been 3:31:16.040 --> 3:31:18.240 like have been evacuated because they keep getting bombed, right, 3:31:18.280 --> 3:31:20.680 and those people are unbelievably pissed off, and they've been 3:31:20.720 --> 3:31:24.480 pushing for this for a long time. There's the second one, 3:31:24.520 --> 3:31:26.240 which is I think the one that liberals use is 3:31:26.360 --> 3:31:29.720 like the excuse for the entire the entire genocide was wrong. 3:31:29.800 --> 3:31:32.000 But it is also true that net and Yahoo does 3:31:32.120 --> 3:31:34.320 like personally need this war to keep going because the 3:31:34.360 --> 3:31:35.080 moment the war. 3:31:34.879 --> 3:31:37.080 Stops, he's gonna be out of office. He's screwed. 3:31:37.160 --> 3:31:37.680 Yeah. 3:31:37.760 --> 3:31:39.720 Yeah, So like that that's a personal extendent for net 3:31:39.800 --> 3:31:42.920 and Yahoo. There's also another one outside of the political 3:31:42.959 --> 3:31:45.720 pressure from from the northern settlers, and you know, the 3:31:45.720 --> 3:31:47.800 general idea has Bluffing and nen Yahoo personally, which is 3:31:47.800 --> 3:31:50.920 like Israeli sodas have always been, it's it's most extreme, 3:31:51.080 --> 3:31:54.960 like most sort of far right, most genocidal like political 3:31:55.000 --> 3:31:59.160 element right. But increasingly we're watching them get radicalized even 3:31:59.200 --> 3:32:02.720 further in real time, and we're watching them become increasingly powerful. 3:32:03.200 --> 3:32:05.240 And one of the things that those people want is 3:32:05.280 --> 3:32:08.840 they have this unbelievably deranged thing that I mean, I 3:32:08.840 --> 3:32:12.240 guess all nationalist movements eventually get to their greater whatever 3:32:12.400 --> 3:32:16.120 your country is thing, but they've entered the Greater Israel 3:32:16.200 --> 3:32:19.880 phase where they're talking about just like you're talking about 3:32:19.959 --> 3:32:22.720 Israel as this as a state that's supposed to like 3:32:23.160 --> 3:32:26.080 encompass like all of Lebanon, and like, I mean, I've 3:32:26.080 --> 3:32:28.840 seen so many different maps like encompassing a bunch of 3:32:28.840 --> 3:32:29.560 partial of Syria. 3:32:30.400 --> 3:32:33.360 Well, I mean, and this is also what's influenced their 3:32:33.400 --> 3:32:35.880 continued attacks in the West Bank, specifically in the past 3:32:35.959 --> 3:32:39.560 few months, where they're similarly using what's going on in Gaza, 3:32:39.760 --> 3:32:42.520 like hiding behind their own atrocities in Gaza as a 3:32:42.560 --> 3:32:46.080 cover to like try to actually claim more territory in 3:32:46.120 --> 3:32:48.840 the West Bank, or at least at least push more 3:32:48.920 --> 3:32:52.720 of like the Palestinian people out of their homes to 3:32:52.800 --> 3:32:55.600 expand the Israeli settlements. So I think both of these 3:32:55.600 --> 3:32:59.959 are kind of happening for similar reasons. And Israel's trying 3:32:59.959 --> 3:33:03.240 to like just weaponize the actual atrocities that are going 3:33:03.240 --> 3:33:05.720 on in Gaza as like a big shield because those 3:33:05.720 --> 3:33:08.119 are getting so much more attention, trying to get away 3:33:08.120 --> 3:33:12.240 with this territorial expansion in other areas, not just the Strip. 3:33:13.120 --> 3:33:15.200 Yeah, And I mean also I should say that there's 3:33:15.200 --> 3:33:17.720 a lot of a lot of the people on the 3:33:17.760 --> 3:33:21.600 ground are pretty convinced that the Israelis are trying to 3:33:21.840 --> 3:33:25.800 basically just like completely ethnically cleanse like parts of the 3:33:25.840 --> 3:33:30.560 strip so they can annex it. And I mean it's 3:33:30.600 --> 3:33:34.080 not something that we like have, like we don't have 3:33:34.160 --> 3:33:37.080 like a document from Israeli High command that says we're 3:33:37.080 --> 3:33:39.320 going to annex all of this stuff, but it's it's 3:33:39.600 --> 3:33:42.760 something that's very least consistent with everything they've been doing. 3:33:43.560 --> 3:33:45.360 And this is also like another sort of one of 3:33:45.400 --> 3:33:47.520 the cyclical factors here. This is a cyclical factor behind 3:33:47.520 --> 3:33:49.960 the settlements. We've talked about this back when we did 3:33:50.040 --> 3:33:52.879 episodes about the West Bank, is that the is really 3:33:52.959 --> 3:33:57.120 housing market is such a fucking disaster and this this 3:33:57.200 --> 3:33:58.720 is something that you know, like this kind of real 3:33:58.800 --> 3:34:02.240 estate speculation shit, and the same way that like George Washington, 3:34:03.120 --> 3:34:05.520 as a real estate speculator was was sort of like 3:34:05.600 --> 3:34:08.879 motivated to do more attacks on indigenous land in the 3:34:09.000 --> 3:34:11.840 US and this sort of like fueled westward expansions. All 3:34:11.840 --> 3:34:14.920 these land speculators, you know, moved out, and people who 3:34:14.920 --> 3:34:17.800 couldn't afford like houses in like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem 3:34:17.840 --> 3:34:21.800 where housing prices are really high, those people have become 3:34:21.879 --> 3:34:23.760 this political force to keep pushing this and this is 3:34:23.760 --> 3:34:27.560 you know, fueling the expansion of the Israeli occupation into 3:34:27.600 --> 3:34:31.440 more and more places. Yeah, so right now where we're 3:34:31.520 --> 3:34:35.320 at with Lebanon is that one point two million people 3:34:35.360 --> 3:34:39.879 have fled their homes, Which is I mean, even if 3:34:40.200 --> 3:34:43.200 like the Israelis had literally done nothing else in the 3:34:43.360 --> 3:34:46.240 entire time that this has been happening, right, forcing one 3:34:46.280 --> 3:34:48.440 point two million people to flee their homes, is it 3:34:48.520 --> 3:34:54.760 an unimaginable level of suffering. And this is like just 3:34:55.160 --> 3:34:57.879 effectively being reported as a footnote in the fact that 3:34:57.920 --> 3:35:00.000 they've fucking done all of this other shit. 3:35:00.160 --> 3:35:02.680 And just in the past week and a half, they've 3:35:02.840 --> 3:35:04.560 killed thirteen hundred people. 3:35:05.200 --> 3:35:08.119 Yeah, it's insane, Like that's. 3:35:07.920 --> 3:35:10.400 More than the number of people who ever were killed 3:35:10.400 --> 3:35:14.160 in Israel on October like seventh. Yeah, that just doesn't 3:35:14.160 --> 3:35:18.560 matter because of like all of the racialized aspects of 3:35:19.040 --> 3:35:22.320 how of how like israel genocide campaign has been able 3:35:22.320 --> 3:35:26.760 to operate, Like you're not going to see memorials in 3:35:26.800 --> 3:35:30.039 the States or the thirteen for the thirteen hundred people 3:35:30.080 --> 3:35:33.320 killed in Lebanon the same way that we will for 3:35:33.400 --> 3:35:34.199 October seventh. 3:35:34.400 --> 3:35:36.920 Yeah, you might get them on a college campus for 3:35:36.959 --> 3:35:37.840 the cops destroy it. 3:35:37.959 --> 3:35:42.040 But like, that's and that's just in one week. 3:35:42.120 --> 3:35:42.600 It's over. 3:35:42.920 --> 3:35:45.080 They've done over a thousand air strikes the past week. 3:35:45.320 --> 3:35:49.680 They've killed all these people, and that's I don't Yeah, 3:35:49.800 --> 3:35:50.920 I don't know what else to say. 3:35:51.760 --> 3:35:55.879 Yeah, I'm going to close by on a slightly lighter 3:35:55.920 --> 3:36:00.520 note from this one of the like even by Trump's standards, 3:36:00.520 --> 3:36:05.520 an extremely weird quote that he gave about Gaza. 3:36:05.760 --> 3:36:06.760 This is from the Guardian. 3:36:06.959 --> 3:36:09.560 Quote asked by Hewitt, which is a guy whose podcast 3:36:09.600 --> 3:36:12.640 he was on, if Gaza could be transformed into Monaco 3:36:12.720 --> 3:36:16.040 if properly rebuilt, Trump replied to quote, it could be 3:36:16.040 --> 3:36:18.240 better than Monaco. It has the best location in the 3:36:18.280 --> 3:36:20.959 Middle East, the best water, the best everything it's got. 3:36:21.160 --> 3:36:24.160 It's the best. I've said for years. I've been there, 3:36:24.200 --> 3:36:26.040 and it's rough. It's a rough place before all the 3:36:26.080 --> 3:36:28.160 attacks and back and forth it's happened over the last 3:36:28.200 --> 3:36:30.800 couple of years. He went on. I mean they have 3:36:30.920 --> 3:36:32.800 the back of a plant facing the ocean. You know, 3:36:32.920 --> 3:36:35.440 there was no ocean as far as that was concerned. 3:36:35.480 --> 3:36:37.720 They never took advantage of it. You know, as a developer, 3:36:37.800 --> 3:36:39.880 it could be the most beautiful place the weather, the water, 3:36:40.000 --> 3:36:41.840 the whole thing in the climate. It was so beautiful 3:36:41.879 --> 3:36:43.360 it could be the best thing in the Middle East. 3:36:44.040 --> 3:36:46.240 Yeah, I mean that's in line with stuff that Kushner 3:36:46.240 --> 3:36:48.480 has been saying for a long time yep. And how 3:36:48.640 --> 3:36:51.959 they are hoping to turn Gaza into a part of Israel, 3:36:51.959 --> 3:36:54.720 specifically to do real estate development, to turn it into 3:36:54.800 --> 3:36:56.840 like a resort, to turn it into a golf course, 3:36:57.240 --> 3:36:59.680 and they're willing to kill tens of thousands of people 3:36:59.720 --> 3:37:02.960 to do it. And that is like the primary driver 3:37:03.120 --> 3:37:06.039 at least like for them, for like Trump's team, for 3:37:06.200 --> 3:37:09.640 why they are They're very happy to seet Nyahuu just 3:37:09.640 --> 3:37:10.680 do whatever he wants. 3:37:11.959 --> 3:37:12.279 Yeah. 3:37:12.560 --> 3:37:15.800 And I think there's something else here too, which is 3:37:15.840 --> 3:37:21.080 that like a lot of the kind of Marxist analysis 3:37:21.120 --> 3:37:23.160 of this from like a very sort of kind of 3:37:23.160 --> 3:37:26.520 Marxist has been about how Palestine has been rendered as 3:37:26.560 --> 3:37:29.240 like surplus population. This is the population that has been 3:37:29.320 --> 3:37:33.359 kicked out of the circuit of like capital accumulation. They're 3:37:33.400 --> 3:37:36.840 not necessary for capital to reproduce itself to make more capital, 3:37:36.840 --> 3:37:39.200 and so no one cares if you kill them. And 3:37:39.280 --> 3:37:41.280 I think that's wrong. And I think this quote is 3:37:41.280 --> 3:37:44.120 actually evidence of why they're wrong like this. You know, 3:37:44.440 --> 3:37:46.880 these people think purely, and like people like Trump right 3:37:47.000 --> 3:37:49.120 think purely in terms of economic assets, and there are 3:37:49.520 --> 3:37:53.160 there's an unbelievable amount of economic assets, like in Palestine 3:37:53.520 --> 3:37:57.879 that a regime that is like maybe only thirty percent 3:37:58.160 --> 3:38:02.520 less like hideously cruel and murderous like could have turned 3:38:02.520 --> 3:38:05.480 into viable economic engines. But the Israelis don't want that. 3:38:05.879 --> 3:38:09.760 They have made a decision, like an actual conscious decision 3:38:09.800 --> 3:38:11.560 that instead of trying to expect people for labor, they'd 3:38:11.640 --> 3:38:13.240 rather just fucking killed them all and try to steal 3:38:13.280 --> 3:38:13.640 their land. 3:38:14.040 --> 3:38:14.240 Right. 3:38:14.680 --> 3:38:18.720 They have decided that this fucking real estate speculation bullshit 3:38:18.840 --> 3:38:20.879 on a bunch of land that they're taking by just 3:38:20.959 --> 3:38:24.040 fucking slaughtering all of its inhabitants is more efficient for 3:38:24.080 --> 3:38:28.480 them than even doing fucking regular capitalism. And that's an 3:38:28.480 --> 3:38:31.800 absolutely fucking hideous note. And it's the kind of thing 3:38:32.080 --> 3:38:35.000 that Biden is saying okay to and Trump fucking loves 3:38:35.120 --> 3:38:39.560 because fundamentally, like Trump's fucking real estate brain is pro genocide, 3:38:39.600 --> 3:38:43.520 and Biden doesn't give a shit about stopping them, and 3:38:43.600 --> 3:38:48.680 he's also pro this. So yeah, the gears of genocide 3:38:48.720 --> 3:38:54.680 continue to grind. The Israelis are plotting their attack against 3:38:54.680 --> 3:38:56.879 Iran that they're going to do in response to Ron 3:38:56.920 --> 3:39:02.280 shooting missiles at them in response to them killing the 3:39:02.360 --> 3:39:07.000 leader of festival. I don't know by the time this 3:39:07.040 --> 3:39:08.920 comes out, it's possible that attack will have happened. 3:39:08.959 --> 3:39:11.360 They're going to do something. It's going to make everything worse. 3:39:12.520 --> 3:39:17.440 But yeah, until then, this has been an update on 3:39:17.840 --> 3:39:21.600 the genocide and Palestine and the new invasion of Lebanon. 3:39:23.200 --> 3:39:26.360 Hey, we'll be back Monday with more episodes every week 3:39:26.440 --> 3:39:28.360 from now until the heat death of the Universe. 3:39:29.080 --> 3:39:31.560 It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 3:39:31.760 --> 3:39:34.760 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 3:39:34.879 --> 3:39:37.400 cool Zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the 3:39:37.480 --> 3:39:41.560 iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 3:39:41.840 --> 3:39:43.800 You can now find sources for It Could Happen here, 3:39:43.800 --> 3:39:46.800 listed directly in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.