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Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Dick.

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Speaker 4: It happened here a podcast where we're bringing shitty Mayor

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Speaker 4: Monday back to celebrate an incredibly special occasion, which is

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Speaker 4: the unbelievably funny federal indictment of what New York Mayor

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Speaker 4: Eric Adams with me to talk about. This is Garrison Davis,

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Speaker 4: is James Stout and and we have a New York expert,

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Speaker 4: our fellow trade unionist, Yeah, Joey pat who works on

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Speaker 4: what we Love an Afterlives.

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Speaker 3: Joey. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 5: Hey, thank you for having me. Excited to be here.

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Speaker 6: I hope I can I can provide some insight to

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Speaker 6: New York City and everything that's been happening lately.

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Speaker 5: The Eric Adams news really is kind of the most

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Speaker 5: positive piece of deuce that we've had the past month.

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Speaker 5: It's been a really bad it's keeping me going, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I feel like I gotta say.

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Speaker 6: I found out the news of the indictment. I was

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Speaker 6: at like a gay bar near me, like at a

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Speaker 6: like queer Pool event, and like everybody got the news

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Speaker 6: at the same time, and it was one of the

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Speaker 6: funniest ways to learn that Eric Adams has been a Yeah.

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Speaker 6: That was that was the like the most joy I've

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Speaker 6: seen from a from a group of New Yorkers in

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Speaker 6: a while.

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Speaker 5: What a beauty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, So I want to I want to open

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Speaker 4: the floor up to Eric Adams stories, but first I

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Speaker 4: need to complain about the fact that so I have

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Speaker 4: I have long as a proud Chicago Wan who has

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Speaker 4: now fled Chicago for Portland. I have long made fun

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Speaker 4: of New York for being a tier two Chinese city

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Speaker 4: that thinks that it's the greatest city in the world.

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Speaker 4: And then I learned they didn't have trash cans, which

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Speaker 4: pushed this at like this is not even like a

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Speaker 4: two or five. This is a level of trash collection

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Speaker 4: that you see in like rural Hoobe, Like what the fuck?

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Speaker 3: Britain the United Kingdom where we got ready to trash

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Speaker 3: cans too.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's not true though, because luckily Eric

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Speaker 5: Adams didn't make the trash can.

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Speaker 3: Just what is going on.

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Speaker 6: The first American city to ever think of this idea

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Speaker 6: for contacts. I am also in a unique position here

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Speaker 6: because I'm from Chicago, and yeah, oftentimes get my friends

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Speaker 6: and family that still live in Chicago confused as to

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Speaker 6: why I live out here.

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Speaker 5: I do love New York. It is a great detity

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Speaker 5: to live in. But these are the kind.

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Speaker 6: Of moments we have where I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I can't. I can't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I honestly. And then I think about

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Speaker 4: this Eric Adams stuff too. It's like the stuff he's so,

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be a second federal indict with more people

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Speaker 4: in it, but the first one it's kind of brush

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Speaker 4: league ship by Chicago standards.

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Speaker 3: Like like if you compare this.

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Speaker 4: To like like Rob Lagoyevitch trying to sell off, like

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Speaker 4: trying to sell Obama's Senate seat, It's like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've been saying New York.

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Speaker 5: Wants to be Chicago.

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Speaker 6: They're starting a second city here too. No, No, there's

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Speaker 6: been adds in the subway, and every time like takes

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Speaker 6: cannot claim that that is us.

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Speaker 5: It just means there's going to be even more insufferable people.

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Speaker 5: That sucks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a second second city has hit the Towers.

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Speaker 5: Another great Ragadom's moment with Eric Adams hit the Towers. No, no,

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Speaker 5: but he had he had this great interview where he

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Speaker 5: was asked to summarize, like what makes New York great

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Speaker 5: which is two words, and that explained it's because it's

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Speaker 5: It's one of the one of the funniest Eric Adams

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Speaker 5: moments I've ever seen till until he was indicted, which

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Speaker 5: is now the new funniest Rogats moment, which we should

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Speaker 5: probably get to because this is not a short indictment.

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Speaker 3: Wait are we're doing all Eric adams favorite moments yet?

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Speaker 3: Because I have a family, we got to run that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've already done mine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to hit this with you? As Jerry?

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Speaker 5: Mine's definitely.

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Speaker 6: I think the ongoing saga of just whether or not

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Speaker 6: he's a vegan, and the fact that he repeatedly claims

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Speaker 6: he's a vegan and thinks that vegan.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know this. Yeah, he's a vegan.

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Speaker 6: He talks a lot about how he's a vegan and

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Speaker 6: all the health benefits and how it's he has a

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Speaker 6: have come out over his you know, mayr Oll run.

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Speaker 6: But apparently he's not actually a vegan because he's been

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Speaker 6: seen like eating chicken on camera and like that weird

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Speaker 6: video of his apartment when he was running. That was

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Speaker 6: the Brooklyn apartment that he may or may not live in,

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Speaker 6: Like there was like some sort of meat.

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Speaker 5: Product in the fridge or something. There's been a whole.

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Speaker 6: Thing about how like he maybe and he's like admitted

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Speaker 6: that he's like eaten meat sometimes, like he's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 6: you know, I'll just have like a little nibble, like

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Speaker 6: it's it's it doesn't count.

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Speaker 5: Chicken isn't beacon What do you mean he identifies as

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Speaker 5: a vacant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like some kind of like like sixteenth century

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Speaker 3: Catholic you know, where they have all these weird exceptions

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Speaker 6: And like right right, that's the repent and then whatever

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Speaker 6: to confass and and then he's getting he gets as

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Speaker 6: we get a card back.

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Speaker 5: That's a good one. That's a good one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe's Jewey's kind of mentioned mine. But the fact

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Speaker 4: that he definitely is from New Jersey, which I think

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Speaker 4: is what allowed him to use a trash can, Like

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Speaker 4: she definitely does not live in New York.

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Speaker 3: There's there's no way. Like my favorite also relates to

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Speaker 3: him not living in New York, which is when Curb

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Speaker 3: staked out his New York apartment and he came back

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Speaker 3: once parked illegally and then caused a traffic jam. I

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Speaker 3: parking illegally so that he couldn't put out of the pocket.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't in a pocket space. He was in someone's driveway.

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Speaker 3: So then he proceeded to drive along the sidewalk and

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Speaker 3: they like filmed him doing this, and he confessed to

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Speaker 3: just an incredible sequence of events.

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Speaker 6: I mean, maybe that is like a New York mayor

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Speaker 6: who can't drive, Like I guess that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Like yet refuses to use mass transit Oh.

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Speaker 5: God, that's true. That's true. He does hate public transportation. God,

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Speaker 5: you can just send more cops in the subway. That'll

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Speaker 5: fix it, all right.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, let's uh yeah, let me, let's let's get

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Speaker 3: into this. Get start. So okay.

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Speaker 4: So the things here is being indicted for are effectively okay.

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Speaker 4: So he took a bunch of different bribes in different ways.

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Speaker 4: So he took I guess there's two broad categories of

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Speaker 4: bribes that he took, which is the bribes that are

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Speaker 4: campaign donations that he funneled through straw donors, which is

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Speaker 4: the thing where you like there's like limits on how

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Speaker 4: much money you could donate to someone, right, So what

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Speaker 4: you do is you find like ten people and you

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Speaker 4: give them all two thousand dollars so they can still

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Speaker 4: donate it even though it's the Moodey's from you. This

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Speaker 4: is unbelievably illegal. And the second type is him just

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Speaker 4: accepting unbelievable amounts of like gifts and stuff from a

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Speaker 4: Turkish airliner. Now, the interesting thing about this is that

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Speaker 4: you would expect this is the thing that started when

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Speaker 4: he was a mayor, but like, no, he was so

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Speaker 4: he was he was the borough president of Brooklyn for

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Speaker 4: a bunch of years before he became mayor, And this

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Speaker 4: is like as Burro President is when he like really

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Speaker 4: started doing all of this random, weird corruption stuff.

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Speaker 5: He's been doing this for like almost like ten years.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of love this too, because the like

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Speaker 6: Brooklyn Borough president, it's kind of a fake job, like

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Speaker 6: you don't really do anything.

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Speaker 5: And I love the fact that.

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Speaker 6: He still managed to find ways to be corrupt in

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Speaker 6: his like fake job that he adds.

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Speaker 4: It's stunning because I'm going to read starting with the

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Speaker 4: indictment a bit. By smuggling their contributions to Adams through

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Speaker 4: US based straw donors, Adams oversees contributors defeated federal laws

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Speaker 4: that serve to prevent for an influence on US elections.

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Speaker 4: Both the individuals evaded laws designed to limit their power

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Speaker 4: over elected officials by restricting the amount of money one

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Speaker 4: person could donate to a candidate, and businesses circumvented New

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Speaker 4: York City's ban on corporate contributions by fundeling the donations

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Speaker 4: through multiple employees, frustrating a law that sees reduced corporate

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Speaker 4: power in politics. Adams increases fundraising by accepting these concealed

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Speaker 4: undue influence over him that the law tries to prevent.

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Speaker 4: So this is really funny because so there's three different

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Speaker 4: illegal like things that he's done, like through these straw donors.

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Speaker 4: So like there's like there's three kinds of campaign contributions.

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Speaker 3: You can't do. It's like corporations.

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Speaker 4: One person, there's like limits on how men watch an

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Speaker 4: get donations from like people not from the US. And

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Speaker 4: he managed to both individually and in the same scheme

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Speaker 3: It's it's genuinely incredible.

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Speaker 5: I guess I would like to learn more. I mean

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Speaker 5: at some point, and I'm sure we'll get into it

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Speaker 5: as how like explicit this whole like Turkish funding really

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Speaker 3: About it. Yeah yet will I'm sure we'll get to this.

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Speaker 3: It's when they're like, hey, Eric, you're not going to

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Speaker 3: say anything about the Median genocide. Arue that Tony didn't happen, bro,

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Speaker 3: don't mention the genocide. Oh yeah, we'll get to that.

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Speaker 4: So Eric Adams, a defendant, also saw and received other

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Speaker 4: improper benefits from some of the same co conspirators who

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Speaker 4: funded shra altonations to his campaign, In particular, a senior

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Speaker 4: official in the Turkish diplomatic establishments henceforth Turkish official who

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Speaker 4: and his companions to receive free or discount to travel

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Speaker 4: on Turkey's national airline, quote the Turkish Airline, which is

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Speaker 4: owned a significant part by the Turkish governments. Nations including France, China,

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Speaker 4: Sri Lanka, India, Hungary and Turkey itself. The Turkish officials

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Speaker 4: and other Turkish nationals further arranged for Adams and his

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Speaker 4: companions to receive, among other things, free rooms at opulent hotels,

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Speaker 4: free meals a high end restaurants, and free luxurious entertainment

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Speaker 4: while in Turkey. So this is all very very explicit.

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Speaker 5: He's got wanderlust. You know, he was supposed to be

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Speaker 5: like a travel.

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Speaker 6: Blogger like Girley, like doing tiktoks, and you know, unfortunately

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Speaker 6: he had to become mayor.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, a bunt of log forster.

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Speaker 5: Mayor starting to do the job he wants to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very tragic. Okay, So actually the first thing

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Speaker 4: Turkish influence thing that he did. I actually, this is

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Speaker 4: weirdly the one part of this I don't have a

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Speaker 4: problem with. One of the big things he was trying

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Speaker 4: After Eric Adams, a defendant, first travel to Turkey in

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Speaker 4: So, like any time I read a paragraph of this,

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Speaker 5: Why wouldn't you have a flight from New York?

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Speaker 5: You know, I would take bribes from Eric Canada. But

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Speaker 3: So this is all very funny.

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Speaker 4: But this is all happening all of the the tens

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Speaker 4: A series of emails to the scheduler directing the scheduler

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Speaker 4: You know who else is taking bribes from the turkeysh government.

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Speaker 4: the first direct influence things. Okay, so he's doing the

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Speaker 4: influence peddling stuff, right, He's doing his partially through the airlines.

443
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 4: And then also he's just taking a bunch of legal

444
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Speaker 4: fundraising money.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 4: On July twenty second, twenty eighteen, the same day as

447
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 4: this fundraising event, the Adam staffer and the promoter discussed

448
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 4: by text message a possible trip by Adams the Turkey.

449
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 4: The promoter stated, in part, fundraising Turkey is not legal,

450
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 4: but I think I can raise money for your campaign

451
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Speaker 4: off the record. The Adam Stafford inquired, how will Adams

452
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 4: declare that money? The promoter responded, he won't declare it

453
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Speaker 4: or will make the do do an American citizen in

454
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Speaker 4: the US a Turk. I'll give cash to him in Turkey.

455
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 4: We'll I'll send it to an American he will make

456
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 4: the donation to you. The Adam Stafford replied, I think

457
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Speaker 4: he won't get involved in such games. That might cause

458
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 4: a stink later on, but I'll ask anyways. The Adam

459
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 4: Stafford then asked how much do you think would come

460
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 4: from you. The promoter responded, max one hundred k. The

461
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 4: Adam Stafford wrote, one hundred k. Do you have a

462
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 4: chance to transfer that here? We can't do it while

463
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 4: Eric is in Turkey, to which your promoter replied, let's think.

464
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Speaker 4: After the conversation, the Adam Stafford asked Adams whether that

465
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Speaker 4: Adam Stafford should pursue the unlawful for contributions offered by

466
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 4: the promoter, and contrary to the staffers expectations, Adams directed

467
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Speaker 4: the staffer to pursue the promoter's illegal scheme.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

469
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Speaker 4: I feel like you should know who you're working for

470
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 4: well enough to be like, hey, this guy is offering

471
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 4: a completely illegal fundraising scheme that we know is illegal,

472
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Speaker 4: and I don't think my boss will take it.

473
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Speaker 3: And then the boss turns around to be he's.

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, fuck it raised, buddy, it might cause a

475
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 5: big stink later on. You don't say, yeah, that's wild.

476
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: To be fair, it did.

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00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so explicit, and I do want to get

478
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 5: to some some of the other text messages sooner or later,

479
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 5: because it really just shows how like aware everyone involved

480
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 5: is of over like what's going on?

481
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're doing crimes.

482
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 6: It's literally just hey, what should I do with the

483
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 6: crime money?

484
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 5: The illegal crime? By the way, have we mentioned this illegal?

485
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Speaker 4: So partially this is being run through Turkish airlines, Partially

486
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 4: this is being run through Turkish university, and partially this

487
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 4: is being run through just a bunch of businessmen, some

488
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 4: of whom are Turkish, some of them aren't. So here's

489
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 4: like the next thing I was gonna read. Although Adams

490
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 4: knew that businessman one was a Turkish national who could

491
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 4: not lawfully contribute to US elections, Adams directed the staffer

492
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Speaker 4: to obtain the illegal contributions offered by Businessman one. Following

493
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 4: up on this directive, Adams wrote to the staffer that

494
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Speaker 4: business or one quote is ready to help. I don't

495
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 4: want his help to be wasted. So they are just

496
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 4: like unbelievably directly being like, yeah, we know this guy

497
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 4: can't do this, but we're just gonna tell them to

498
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 4: send this money anyways.

499
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's insane how slapstick they are about this. Yeah,

500
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: and like you know, they're kind of trying to come

501
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Speaker 3: from tretch. I think that this part of it is

502
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Speaker 3: one of the things that I think, like was one

503
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Speaker 3: of the things that kind of went viral over this.

504
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Speaker 3: So Adams is trying to arrange another like fifty thousand

505
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Speaker 3: dollars contribution from a third Turkish businessman.

506
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Speaker 4: And in the middle of this, he's saying to the

507
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Speaker 4: staffer quote to be on the safe side, Please delete

508
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 4: capital P, capital D. Please delete all messages you send me,

509
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 4: Adams responded, always do. Now, we don't for a fact

510
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Speaker 4: that a bunch of these messages were simply not deleted,

511
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Speaker 4: because I have considering.

512
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Speaker 5: That you just read.

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Speaker 3: Though.

514
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do also think It was worth noting that

515
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 5: some of these efforts certainly started to ramp up around

516
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 5: his mayoral campaign, because some of these Turkish officials thought

517
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 5: that if Adams becomes a more like prominent member in politics,

518
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 5: never like runs for president, and if they can gain

519
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 5: influence over him from like pretty early on, that would

520
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 5: be really useful for the Turkish government. That is some

521
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 5: of like the reasoning behind this like decades long campaign. Yeah,

522
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 5: like puppet Eric Adams.

523
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: Maybe the Turkish government had seen Nate Silver's now infamous

524
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Speaker 3: tweet how it will be the.

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Speaker 5: Next Yeah, I mean it's all many such cases.

526
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, Snate Silver who got them to chase us around

527
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: with drones last last October.

528
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Speaker 5: He keeps getting more businessman to donate tens of thousands

529
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Speaker 5: of dollars.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's so funny.

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Speaker 5: It's like repeatedly, he just keeps getting more and more

532
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 5: and more.

533
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

534
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Speaker 4: And the funniest part is that like by like guy

535
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Speaker 4: number four he's doing this with he's like telling the

536
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 4: guy how to do straw donations where he's like, yeah, no,

537
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Speaker 4: you can't donate ten thousand dollars to give two thousand

538
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Speaker 4: dollars to.

539
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Speaker 3: Each of your employees and they'll do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's doing like instructions for each of these guys,

541
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Speaker 5: and it's like at a certain point, like some of

542
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Speaker 5: the early airline stuff is yes, a llegal sketchy, but

543
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 5: like you know, it's it's just getting some nice plane

544
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 5: tickets by like twenty twenty one. He's just teaching them

545
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 5: how to do like super illegal like campaign fraud. Yeah,

546
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 5: you've like committed so much that you're just like into deep,

547
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 5: like you can't like what's there to do?

548
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 7: Yeah?

549
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 3: You know who else is in too deep?

550
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 4: It's the products and services who controlled this podcast, this

551
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: podcast support that one.

552
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh wow, wow, so much to say by the

553
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 8: Reagan coin people.

554
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Speaker 3: It's ump.

555
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 5: They have a very little editorial control.

556
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Speaker 6: Are you supposed to delete those tags?

557
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: There are so many funny ones.

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Speaker 4: He also he also is taking money from this construction

559
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: guy where he takes a bunch of buddy that it

560
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Speaker 4: like shows up at this like New York's big Pride

561
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 4: event to give a speech because he took money from

562
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 4: this like antruction guy.

563
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: Did he say New York isse s Hee Wasbekistan of America?

564
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 5: Honestly, he probably has said that. That's like, yeah, he's.

565
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 4: Probably said Kazakhstan by accident because he always says the

566
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Speaker 4: wrong count giving his speech like that.

567
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 6: My favorite moment was the video of him speaking to

568
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 6: like the Indian group that he kept saying Pakistani, Oh god, yeah, yeah,

569
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 6: oh dear yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that went down like a chocolate tipa. He

571
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: did it like twice too. They corrected him that he

572
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 3: kept doing.

573
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 5: It well, they were only yelling over him, and.

574
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: He said, stout God.

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Speaker 4: So there's another kind of funny one where he's he's

576
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 4: getting a bunch of money from this university and he

577
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 4: actually returns the money because his campaign is like his

578
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 4: Mayora campaign is over, but he's still going to go

579
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: to prison for it because he lied to the government

580
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: at where he got the money even though he gave

581
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 4: it away. Okay, So I want to start reading some

582
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 4: of these texts so we can get into like how

583
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: explicit the stuff is. On July twenty second, twenty twenty one, Adams,

584
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 4: through the staffer, requested that the airline manager book flights

585
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 4: to Istabul for Adams in order to conceal the favorable treatment.

586
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 4: The Adam stafford requested the airline manager charge Adams what

587
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 4: would appear to be a real price, Adam Stafford, how

588
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 4: much does he owe? Please let them make a call

589
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 4: and now will make the payments. Airline manager. It is

590
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 4: very expensive because it is last minute. I am working

591
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 4: on a discount, Adam Stafford. Okay, thank you, airline manager.

592
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 4: I am going to charge fifty dollars, Adam Stafford. No,

593
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 4: airline manager. That wouldn't work, wouldn't it, Adam Stafford, No, dear,

594
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: fifty dollars? What quote a proper price? How much should

595
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: I charge? A smiley face emoji, Adam Stafford. His every

596
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: step is being watched right now. One thousand dollars or so,

597
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 4: let it be somewhat real. We don't want them to

598
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: say that he is flying for free. At the moment,

599
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 4: the media's attention is on Eric.

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Speaker 3: Amazing stuff.

601
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 6: The smiley faith of the tax is really throwing off.

602
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 5: It's so good. So he paid about like one one

603
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 5: hundred dollars for these round trip tickets, and he was

604
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 5: upgraded to business classes. Suck at him, and in actuality

605
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 5: these tickets would would again be like fifteen thousand dollars.

606
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 5: And this is like the same type of stuff he

607
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: was doing like eight years ago, except this time he

608
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 5: actually is paying some money, whereas last time he did

609
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 5: not actually fill up those envelopes with cash. Yeah, but

610
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 5: still he's about he's about fourteen thousand short.

611
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: He also was this a great one where like the

612
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: staffers like, do you have recommendations of where he can

613
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 4: go to Turkey?

614
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: At the airline manager?

615
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: Four season staffer, it's too expensive airline manager, why does

616
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 4: he care? He's not going to fake his name, will

617
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: not be at anything either, Adam stafford super super.

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00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all so super illegal.

619
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Speaker 6: I want to meet the person who's sending these taxs.

620
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so bad. It's so funny.

621
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Speaker 6: Why is this like the cadence with which they're speaking

622
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 6: and these tacks, that's just insane.

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Speaker 4: It's incredible stuff. There's some great ones. I gotta read

624
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: this one. On the day the Adams fundraiser was scheduled

625
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: to depart Istanbul, Adams created a message thread between himself

626
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: and the Adams fundraiser and the airline manager quote, he

627
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: will try to help with the issue with the form

628
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: he can see about a hotel or business class lounge.

629
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: The manager then arranged for the Adams fundraiser, who was

630
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: otherwise flying on an economy ticket, to have access to

631
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: not only the Turkish Airlines business lounge, but also an

632
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: exclusive private suite inside the lounge, complete with a bed

633
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 4: and free food. The Turkish airline manager explained, this is

634
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: our suite for VIPs and we want you to feel yourself.

635
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: Two words yourself sick VIP, smiley face emoji.

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00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: Fail yourself VIP. That's what we will want.

637
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 4: At another point in the exchange, Adams wrote, quote, thanks

638
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 4: a million airline manager, my brother. Which airline managers wanted anytime?

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Speaker 3: Brother?

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00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 7: Oh?

641
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: No?

642
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 4: This on the day he won the election, Like the

643
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: day after, the airline manager sent the following text message, brother, congratulations.

644
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: Adams responded, cannot thank you enough.

645
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 5: So true, so true. That is good, although it's not

646
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 5: as good as kind of the next thing when in

647
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 5: December twenty one he was putting together his like mayoral

648
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: like team for like policy advisors and his transition team,

649
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 5: and he did not have like people from Turkey on

650
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 5: this list, so this air manager said, didn't. It's it's

651
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: not quite blackmail, but it is certainly like bribery, saying like, hey,

652
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 5: maybe you should put me on like your senior on

653
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 5: your senior advisory team. And if you don't, then you're

654
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: not going to get free tickets anymore.

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00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to read the exact line because it's

656
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: so funny.

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00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: The staffer sense of the airline manager list, and the

658
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: airline manager responded, it would suit me well to be

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00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 4: lead or senior advisor. Two days later, the airline manager

660
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: sent a message reiterating, lead please plz please smiley face,

661
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: otherwise fifty two is empty on the way back.

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Speaker 3: Seat.

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Speaker 5: Oh god, oh my god, Lead, please, you don't make

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Speaker 5: me a lead advisor. We're not going to give you

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Speaker 5: free free airplane tickets anymore. Oh my god, it's so funny.

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Speaker 3: Winky face.

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Speaker 5: And then uh, I believe he did add someone onto

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Speaker 5: onto his team.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yeah.

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Speaker 4: He was added to the Infrastructure, Climate and Sustainability Committee

671
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Speaker 4: transition team Jesus Christ, which the whole Sustainability Commission is

672
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 4: just like a slush. There's another thing later where like

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00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: he's like a secret meeting of like these Turkish donors,

674
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Speaker 4: and he calls it like a sustainability transition meetings, so

675
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Speaker 4: no one will know that he's having this meeting.

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Speaker 5: Man, you should read what the airline manager wrote after

677
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Speaker 5: he was added to the Climate and Sustainability and Infrastructure

678
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Speaker 5: Committee yeah.

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Speaker 7: So.

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00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 4: On December twenty twenty one, the senior Turkish government official

681
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: set the airline manager a series of texts noting the

682
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Speaker 4: airline manager's membership on Adam's Infrastructure Climate Sustainability can be

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Speaker 4: and sending.

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Speaker 3: Applause about you. Oh no.

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Speaker 4: The airline manager responded that his membership on the Tradition

686
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Speaker 4: Committee was in service of Turkey. Quote, thank you, brother.

687
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: We are doing our best to server country adequately. Your

688
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 4: support gives us strength here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. You were always there for us, and we're

690
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: trying to be loyal.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing.

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Speaker 6: Oh wait is it. We're trying to be worthy.

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00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're trying to be worthy. Yeah, we're trying.

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Speaker 5: To be worthy. Yeah. That is so sorry. I'm trying

695
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: to be worthy of you. Thank you so much for

696
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 5: being there.

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00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: Please be so good.

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00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 5: I just like want to be worthy of you. Ericata.

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Speaker 4: So by this point I total that the Turkish airline bribes,

700
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: specifically that all the benefits total one hundred and twenty

701
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: three thousand.

702
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: Dollars seats general.

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00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 5: Life, which is also just a small fraction of like

704
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 5: the total amount of money he received to be fat.

705
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: That's probably like the face prices of business class tickets

706
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: and lounge access which no one actually pays for. Yeah.

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00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, because like beyond the actual airline stuff because of

708
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 5: like the campaign like match like policy deals, like he

709
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 5: he received in the end like like ten million dollars

710
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 5: right from from like all of this whole ordeal.

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00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 4: So, so so the match funding thing basically is like

713
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: there's public matching funds for like private donations for for

714
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 4: mayoral candidates.

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00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 3: There's like some things you have to go through.

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00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: But in order to get that money right, you have

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00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 4: to abide by campaign finance law and all of the

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Speaker 4: So all of these like straw donor bribe donations that

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Speaker 4: he's getting are being are also I think it's like

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00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: eight to one or something like matching funds are being matched.

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Speaker 3: By the paid government. Say you got like ten million

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00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: dollars matching funds.

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Speaker 5: He's not only like doing like campaign fraud by getting

724
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 5: this like foreign influence amount of money. He's also just

725
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: like stealing from from everyone else too by having all

726
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 5: of these illegal contributions matched.

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00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 5: So in the end, I think he's like he's like

729
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 5: charged with like like basically ten million dollars.

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00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, of like fraud.

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00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 4: The other thing is like this is this is how

732
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 4: he won the election, Like he won the election by

733
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 4: spending an unbelievable amount of money and like that money,

734
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: who's like this like stuff that he defrauded the government for.

735
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: And it's ironic that like the campaign funding matching is

736
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: designed to like amplify the donations made by regular New

737
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: Yorkers and not make it all like a super Pac game. Yeah,

738
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: Eric Adams thought he they made an end run around that.

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00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 5: Like I did not realize just because I had been

740
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 5: keeping up with like Eric Adams news previous to this,

741
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 5: I did not realize how often his house was getting

742
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 5: rated by the FBI.

743
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: There were so many There's been so many, Like this

744
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 4: is all just one angle on the like thirty five,

745
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: because there's there's so much other corruption he was doing,

746
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: Like this is just the stuff they gone specifically around

747
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 4: him for. But like basic everyone in the circle around

748
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: him is like also going to prison. Like to the

749
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: point where remember I was talking about the Uzbek construction

750
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 4: guy that he donated money to, Yeah, that guy also

751
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: paid off like the guy who's going to become mayor

752
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: when Adams gets arrested, So like the deputy mayor like

753
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 4: also took money for that guy.

754
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: Amazing.

755
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so one of the worst parts of this. On

756
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 4: April twenty first, twenty two, the Turkish official messaged the

757
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 4: Adam Stafford noting that our Median Genocide Remembrance Day was

758
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: approaching and repeatedly asking the Adam Stafford for assurances that

759
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 4: Adams would not make any statements about their Armedian genocide.

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

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00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: The Adam Stafford confirmed that Adams did not make a

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00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 4: statement about the Armenian genocide.

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Speaker 3: Adams did not make such a statement New York, not

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00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: the Yerevan of America.

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00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he just straight up took money from the

766
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 4: Turkish government. Did genocide's nile for them. Yeah, so that's great,

767
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: that's incredible stuff.

768
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: To be fair.

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Speaker 5: That is that is a mainstay of current American politics.

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00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, and it's the best fund of old

771
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: genocide denials.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Well, this Raganams guy doesn't seem like a

773
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 5: doesn't seem too good. It is just fascinating to me

774
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 5: that out of all the cities, New York is just

775
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 5: the one city that you cannot have a normal mayor,

776
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 5: just like every single mayor is is weird and fucked

777
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 5: up in like a different way. Like it's just impossible.

778
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 6: There was like an onion onion headline on Time that was,

780
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 6: it's like the mayor de Blasio like, well, well, well

781
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 6: it's it's not so easy to have a not fucked

782
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 6: up mayor or something.

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00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 4: I think the exact line was, well, well, well, not

785
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 4: so easy to find a mayor he doesn't suck ship down.

786
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 5: Exactly. The Erganta was one hits so much harder because

787
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 5: he's like the law and order mayor. Like he's like,

788
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 5: you know, like like former cop blah blah blah. He's

789
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: he's the one making New York worse through all of

790
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 5: like the fucked up police stuff. Meanwhile, he's just been

791
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 5: doing like major crimes and having his house rated by

792
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 5: the FBI like every other month, also having like his

793
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 5: friend's house is rated by the FBI having was it

794
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 5: like a police chief or a police commissioner who was

795
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 5: just rated.

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00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the interim police commissioner they put in

797
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: often the first one.

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00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's wild stuff.

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Speaker 3: We got to talk about his phone password before we finish. Yeah.

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00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. So the's why I want to close on is

801
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: like before he goes under, like all of his staffers

802
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 4: are getting visited by the FBI, and A you could

803
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 4: tell they're all cops and are dumb at shit because

804
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: they all they all agreed to talk to the FBI

805
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: and like lied to this so funny, and then we're

806
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 4: trying to like coordinate destroying the messages which the FBI

807
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: got all the data from. On October sixth, twenty twenty three,

808
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 4: FBI agents executed a search warrant for the electronic devices

809
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: used by Eric Adams, a defendant. So Adams was carrying

810
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: several electronic devices, including two cell phones. He was not

811
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: carrying his personal cell phone, which is a device he

812
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 4: used to communicate about the conduct described in this indictment.

813
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 4: When Adams produced his personal cell phone the next day

814
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: in response to a subpoena, it was locked, such as

815
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: the device required a password to open. Adams claimed that

816
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 4: after he learned the investigation into his contact he learned

817
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 4: about the investigation, he changed the password the day before

818
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 4: and increased the complexity of his password from four to

819
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 4: six digits. Adams had done this, he claimed, to prevent

820
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: members of his staff from intently You're intentionally deleting the

821
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 4: contents of his phone. According to Adams, he wished to

822
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: preserve the context of his phone due to the investigation,

823
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: But Adams further claimed he'd forgotten the password he just

824
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 4: said and was unable to provide the NBA with the

825
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 4: password that can unlock.

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Speaker 3: The phone if they tried his birthday.

827
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Speaker 5: It's the funniest argument. Yeah, yeah, they like, no, no, no,

828
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 5: I changed. I changed the password so that the information

829
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 5: was safe and wouldn't be deleted. Also, I forgot the password.

830
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Speaker 4: Okay, so like presumably this is encrypted, right, but like

831
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 4: I cannot Like, what the fuck is the FBI doing that?

832
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: They can't just break into this phone?

833
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, some phones are hard to break into,

834
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 5: like it it is it is true.

835
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, have struggled with iPhones for what Yes, but this

836
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: is but this is Eric Adams.

837
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah it might.

838
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: Be zero zero zero zero, like they ought to give

839
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: it the cat. It's try to be honest.

840
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like they've got to have some fucking like spook

841
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: from the NSA that they can illegally send this phone

842
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 4: over to.

843
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 5: Like I'm sure they've tried Celebright. I'm sure they've tried

844
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of stuff. It just doesn't always work.

845
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I don't know it makes you feel wildly

846
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 4: better about phone security. Oh, by the way, this is

847
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 4: a message about this public safety announcement. If you use

848
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: a face print or a fingerprint to lock your phone,

849
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: the cops can just use your face or your fingerprint

850
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: worlock it, or they can get it with a warrant.

851
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: But if it's like an actual number, like they can't

852
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: put a gun to your head and say open it,

853
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 4: which is the way that this would normally sort of work. Yeah,

854
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 4: so yeah, basic security thing. So in all, Adams is

855
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 4: being charged with simultaneously conspiracy to commit wire fraud Federal

856
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 4: program Brian and to receive campaign contributions by foreign national.

857
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: There's a kind of wire fraud.

858
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 4: There's another count of solicitation of a contribution by foreign national.

859
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 4: There's subsequently, the fourth is the same as a third count.

860
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 4: It's it's solicitation of a contribution by forig national and

861
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 4: the fifth count is bribery. So he's like probably going down,

862
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: going down.

863
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 5: He sounds pretty fucked. I mean, it has been interesting

864
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 5: how much the federal government has been cracking down on

865
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 5: foreign influence before the selection, both with like tennant media,

866
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 5: like a Russian foreign influence stuff like this there's been

867
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 5: like some of like Jimmy Dore or like orbiters that

868
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 5: have I know, have have been getting looked into by

869
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Speaker 5: the FEDS for like Russian foreign influence.

870
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Speaker 3: Dude.

871
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 5: And this is not a show where we regularly praise

872
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 5: the actions of the fedral government. But it's always funny

873
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 5: to see my enemies having a hard time. Yeah, And

874
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Speaker 5: I'm pray I'm praying for that Jackson Hinkle one, which

875
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 5: is fea yeah, because it's so it's so obvious, so

876
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 5: obvious that he's he's absolutely getting paid by some by

877
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 5: some foreign government.

878
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wonda which one?

879
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 4: This one is air to one versus the FBI, which

880
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: I'm just like just chomping down popcorn and clapping like

881
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: a seal watching most hated rifles finding yes.

882
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: Yes, destroy each other no matter what happens.

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00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 5: I'm okay with it.

884
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 5: Wow.

886
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Speaker 3: I will repeat my position here at the end of

887
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Speaker 3: the show that I am prepared to vote for Joe

888
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Speaker 3: Biden on the condition that he immediately begins trading Eric

889
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: Adams for Abdullajan, who does not belong to jail unlike

890
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: Eric Adams. It's free Ajulan week this week, and so yeah,

891
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: he shouldn't be in prison. Let him out.

892
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 5: How do you feel about your mayor, Joey?

893
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 6: You know, it sounds like he's he's broken on some shit.

894
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 6: He's got to figure out if he really wants you know, see.

895
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 6: This is the thing too, is it's like, do I

896
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 6: want to be like, Wow, congrats to the FBI on

897
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 6: this investigation. No, that being said, it is really funny

898
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 6: to see this all go down. I think also just

899
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 6: the amount of bullshit that he has done while he's

900
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Speaker 6: in office.

901
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 5: But both legally and over the.

902
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 6: Table and under the table, and it's kind of funny

903
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 6: to see like this meet.

904
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Speaker 3: The thing that but takes him down. Yeah. Got other.

905
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 6: One of my favorite tweets about all this was somebody

906
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 6: was like, I'm sure Eric Adams all of a sudden

907
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 6: it's going to be uh really pro a prison reform

908
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, But I.

909
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 5: Hope so, you know that would be a crazy It's like, Alista.

910
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 6: I'm getting flashbacks person abolition arts. I'm getting flashbacks when

911
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 6: a when a oh god, what's the same the Blasio, Uh,

912
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 6: the governor, the governor, oh my god, former governor. Well

913
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 6: like what he was having all of the ship come

914
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 6: out and like the last thing he did in office

915
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 6: was the legalized weed, and it was like such a

916
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 6: like last ditch, like fine.

917
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 5: Here, you guys go like you want, like are we

918
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 5: going to get something like that?

919
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: Are we gonna get?

920
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 7: Well?

921
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 6: I guess he tried with the trash cans and people

922
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 6: rejected that. But uh, it's been an experience. I hope

923
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 6: for the sake of the city that uh, you know,

924
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 6: he faces consequences for this and it's never.

925
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 5: Back in New York politics. But I guess we'll see

926
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 5: what happens. No, I'm not going to cheer on the FBI,

927
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 5: but I am pro cop on cop of violence. That's true,

928
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 5: and that's true, and that's all this is. That's all

929
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 5: this is. So that's fine.

930
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 6: I'm pro irony. I'm pro like like you're getting got

931
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 6: by the same like people your bros.

932
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

933
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 5: I am interested in what the next New York mayoral

934
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 5: election will look like. We're bringing in Lori Lightfoot, let's go,

935
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 5: and the small possibility that, depending on how this next

936
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Speaker 5: election goes, we could have a Trump versus Clinton mayoral

937
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 5: race in New York, which I would love to watch.

938
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: Maybe Hillary Clinton will finally make her film about the

939
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: Syrian democratic forces she's been promising to make for years.

940
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Speaker 4: I want to close on a kind of slightly more

941
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 4: serious struggles are connected note because the thing about Eric

942
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 4: Adams is that he was the guy who was brought

943
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: in black cop like very specifically brought in and his

944
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: thing was basically to contain the twenty twenty uprising, right

945
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 4: he was he was the guy whose thing was we're

946
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 4: bringing in the kind of revolution. We're stomping all of

947
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: this stuff out, like all of the sort of like

948
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: gains of anti police stuff that you'd made, all the

949
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 4: sort of ideological games have been made, We're going to

950
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: wipe all that out. And I think it is really

951
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 4: significant that the government who is funding him is is

952
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 4: a Turkish government because if you look at the last cycle,

953
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 4: right when so Eric Adams is starting to do this

954
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, what's what's happening in Turkey

955
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: in that time is that Turkey have been one of

956
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: the big sites of huge uprisings. In twenty thirteen, they

957
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 4: have one of the biggest, like of that cycle of protests.

958
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 4: So twenty thirteen is the second of the of the

959
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 4: waves from like the Occupy twenty eleven waves. Right, there's

960
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 4: a big wave in twenty eleven, and then twenty thirteen

961
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: to the second one. One of the biggest one is

962
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: in Turkey. And Turkey's eventual solution to this is basically

963
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: just the wholesale slaughter of the Curtish revolution that was happening.

964
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 4: And you know, literally in twenty fourteen, at the same

965
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: time twenty fourteen twenty at the same time as the

966
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 4: Michael Brown uprising is going on, and then Baltimore goes up,

967
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 4: right at the same time that's happening, There's like, these

968
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: are these Kurdish uprisings in Turkey, That's where all the

969
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 4: fire bombing happens. Right, These these these things are very,

970
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: very intimately connected. There's a reason why other than just

971
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 4: sort of country his corruption stuff, that these that these

972
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 4: forces are aligned with each other because the same the

973
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: same people behind the American prison state are also the

974
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 4: same people who are fucking backing this Turkish extermination as

975
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 4: movement against the Kurds. And we're going to either win

976
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 4: our freedom together or we're going to have a thousand

977
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 4: more fucking Eric Adams.

978
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 5: Is exactly yeah.

979
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 6: And I mean, I think going back to what I

980
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 6: was saying before like the craziest thing about all this,

981
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 6: and like this is definitely something that I've kind of

982
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 6: had to like step back and be like, all right,

983
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 6: Like I obviously am existing within like a specific community,

984
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 6: like New York is a huge city.

985
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 5: It's the lowerest city in.

986
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 6: The US, and there's lots of different smaller communities, and

987
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 6: I was like, I feel like everybody that I know

988
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 6: and everybody I interact with hate Sarah Adams, how like

989
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 6: their own list of reasons why, like he has done X,

990
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 6: Y Z thing and they're like whether it's like my

991
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 6: friends that are teachers or like work for or just

992
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 6: use public libraries that he has like really decided to

993
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 6: attack and like defund for various reasons, or like friends

994
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 6: that have had to deal with like the prison system

995
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 6: or whatever. Or last year, I'd been working on an

996
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 6: investigative show that was looking into a lot of the

997
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 6: the situation at Rikers, and you know, Rikers is supposed

998
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 6: to be closed in twenty twenty seven at a RK.

999
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 6: Adams has really tried to push back against that, despite

1000
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 6: the fact that it's like there's a federal invested investigation

1001
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 6: into the situation there and it's not like the conditions

1002
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 6: are not good. It is an unpopular solution, you know,

1003
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 6: like most New Yorkers agree that there needs to be

1004
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 6: some other alternative than rikers and just sending people to

1005
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 6: like literally an island. That being said, like he won

1006
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 6: the election. He won his mayoral election it which sort

1007
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 6: of like surprising. He was kind of the underdog. There

1008
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 6: were other candidates that I think people had kind of

1009
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 6: been expecting to win. And yeah, he was the law

1010
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 6: and order guy. He was coming in is supposed to

1011
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 6: be this like alternative to like the twenty twenty uprising

1012
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 6: to what was seen as this like chaos. And again, yeah,

1013
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 6: it's the irony of him getting got by its own system,

1014
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 6: getting got by the fact that like he just keeps

1015
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 6: doing crimes. He loves doing crimes, favorite thing. And then

1016
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 6: at the same time, it's like he's caused all this

1017
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 6: damage to like individual like specific programs in the city,

1018
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 6: specific systems that were really helping people. He has spread

1019
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 6: like misinformation about migrants that have been in New York.

1020
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 6: He has been like there's just a laundry list of

1021
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 6: things that he has done that has been like insanely

1022
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 6: harmful for like various reasons. And you know what, if

1023
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 6: this is going to be the thing that's gonna got

1024
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 6: on at the end of the day. This and Sabrina

1025
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 6: Carpenter apparently that also those of you who don't know,

1026
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 6: the Sabrina car Feather music video apparently was a big

1027
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 6: part of the Eric Adams indictment from kind of the

1028
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 6: more local side involving the church that she was filming

1029
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 6: at h and the I'm not sure what his official

1030
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 6: position is, but like the priest who had kind of

1031
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 6: allowed her to come in and film, and then it

1032
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 6: ended up that he was demoted because if you've listened

1033
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 6: to a Sabrina Carpenter song, you can see why the

1034
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 6: Catholic Church might not be super excited about that. And

1035
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 6: then he decided to cooperate with the investigation since the

1036
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 6: church wasn't super happy with him.

1037
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 5: This whole thing is just there's something.

1038
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 6: It's like, there's so many aspects of this that are

1039
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 6: so crazy.

1040
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 5: This is gonna be like that gets him.

1041
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, So someone's gonna do like a thirty part

1042
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 4: podcast series about this something. I'm gonna listen to every

1043
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 4: single ex.

1044
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 5: Episode and there's gonna be so much more stuff that's

1045
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 5: gonna come out.

1046
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: That's yeah.

1047
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 5: Speaking of podcasts, Joey, do you want to plug your

1048
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 5: work for sure? Yeah.

1049
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 6: So, I'm right now producing a show called that We Loved,

1050
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 6: which just on Iheart's network.

1051
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 5: It's part of our Outspoken Network, which.

1052
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 6: Is our LGBTQ plus kind of focus shows, and you

1053
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 6: can find that on Spotify, Apple Music, iHeartMedia, app whatever,

1054
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 6: all the places. I also previously had worked on a

1055
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 6: show called Afterlives. If you are interested in learning more

1056
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 6: about wrikers and particularly some of the policy that you know,

1057
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 6: Eric Adams himself has worked to either stop.

1058
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 5: From being effective or stop.

1059
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 6: From making the reforms it's supposed to be happening regards

1060
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 6: the whole riker situation, you should check out that show.

1061
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's where I met.

1062
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 6: You can also follow me on Twitter and Instagram at

1063
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 6: pat not Pratt.

1064
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 5: That's p A T T n O T p R

1065
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 5: A T T. People get my last.

1066
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 3: Name wrong a lot, we'll put them in the description.

1067
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1068
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joey, thank you for coming on.

1069
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 4: And fuck I hope I hope we all get rid

1070
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 4: of our fucking Beyers because Jesus Christ God.

1071
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1072
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 6: Future the Democratic Party Lightbook Airic.

1073
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 5: Adams twenty twenty eight.

1074
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: Let's go.

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00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 9: Hello and welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast

1076
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 9: about things falling apart and how people work to put

1077
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 9: them back together again, because it's the Humpty Dumpty of podcasts,

1078
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 9: except Humpty Dumpty couldn't be put back together in the

1079
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 9: end because there was a bunch of state actors who

1080
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 9: were trying and really that's not how you usually get

1081
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 9: things done. I'm your guest host today, Martyr Kiljoy, and

1082
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 9: with me as my regular host today is James Hi.

1083
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: James Hi, Margaret, thank you for having me on the

1084
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: podcast that I work for.

1085
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 9: I'm glad to have you on your podcast. So this

1086
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 9: episode is about what I learned about prepping by going

1087
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 9: down to western North Carolina in the immediate wake of

1088
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 9: the flooding caused by two storms, one of which was

1089
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 9: Hurricane Helen. And there's a few things I like an

1090
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 9: awful lot. One of them is prepping. Another one of

1091
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 9: them is Ashville, North Carolina, where I lived longer than

1092
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 9: I have lived anywhere else in my adult life, which

1093
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 9: isn't actually saying that much because I lived there for

1094
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 9: about six years.

1095
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: But it's a decent amount of time. You know a place. Yeah.

1096
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 9: Before that, I was fully vagabondie. This is a story

1097
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 9: about prepping in Asheville, North Carolina, and so I thought

1098
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 9: i'd bring on another it could happen here prepper James.

1099
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's me someone who has been to Ashville, North Carolina.

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00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, still lives in San Diego. Yeah. Nice,

1101
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: nice pace to go outside normally.

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Speaker 9: Okay, but have you ever heard that song though, like

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Speaker 9: I've been everywhere man song, I've been everywhere.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm allowed to sing things on this podcast.

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00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 9: I started liking that song because like, yeah, I've been everywhere.

1108
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 9: That man starts listening where he's been, and I'm like, no,

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00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 9: I haven't been. I ain't been shit, I have never

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00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 9: been anywhere in my life.

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00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: I've not made it. Yeah. Yeah. It is one of

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00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: the nice things about my job that people get to

1113
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: go places and meet people. Yeah. Yeah, that is fun.

1114
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 9: So, as I assume listeners are aware, about two weeks ago,

1115
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 9: Hurricane Helene dumped an enormous quantity of water onto the

1116
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 9: mountains of western North Carolina, which would have been bad

1117
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 9: no matter what, but another unnamed storm had already been

1118
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 9: dropping unconscious able unconscious not good amounts of water on

1119
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 9: the area for a day or so. The two storms

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00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 9: together caused the worst natural disaster and recorded history for

1121
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 9: the region. The only thing that came close was the

1122
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 9: nineteen sixteen flood, which was again like a regular storm,

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Speaker 9: and then I think a coastal tropical storm hitting at

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00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 9: the same time. So the way to have everything fail

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00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 9: is to have two storms at once. In case anyone's

1126
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 9: curious how to have bad things happen, do two storms anyway.

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00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 9: I drove down in a vanful of supplies because my

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00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 9: friends were the eron they needed the supplies more than

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00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 9: my basement did, and because I had enough cash on

1130
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 9: hand to hit up a bunch of stores to get

1131
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 9: more stuff to bring to them to I also drove

1132
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 9: down there as a journalist, figuring i'd talk to people

1133
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 9: about mutual aid and about preparedness. This week on my

1134
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 9: own podcast, Cool People Did Cool Stuff, I talk about

1135
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 9: my experiences there, what I saw, with an emphasis on

1136
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 9: the mutual aid side, on the enormous amount of grassroots

1137
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 9: and informal disaster response. But this is it could happen here,

1138
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 9: and I wanted to talk about preparedness. I want to

1139
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 9: talk about what worked and what didn't, what lessons we

1140
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 9: can draw anywhere we are listening to this from what

1141
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 9: people experienced there in Asheville, North Carolina, or at least

1142
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 9: what lessons I was able to pick up on. And

1143
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 9: we're going to talk about.

1144
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: Like stuff and specific things in a second good.

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00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 9: But first, when I talk about preparedness, which I do

1146
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 9: a lot, I talk about how I'm interested in both

1147
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 9: the individual and community as two different types of preparedness.

1148
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 9: And I had some hypotheses that these were deeply related

1149
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 9: and reliant on each other in fact, and that you

1150
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 9: do one better by doing the other better. But now

1151
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 9: that I've seen those hypotheses tested, I was right. That's

1152
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 9: that's my answer.

1153
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 3: It's in fact to approven hypotheses. Yeah exactly.

1154
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, I don't want to run more tests,

1155
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 9: but yeah, we probably will.

1156
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, because we ain't doing shit to stop being alas. No, No,

1157
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: we're mostly doing things to make it worse. Hm hm cool.

1158
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 9: Basically, we need both individual and community preparedness, and we

1159
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 9: should stop seeing them as opposing forces. There might be

1160
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 9: no single false dichotomy that has more wrecked our imaginations

1161
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 9: than the idea that the individual and the community are

1162
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 9: two opposing forces that they must be balanced against one

1163
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 9: another instead of interwoven. Instead of allowing what's best about

1164
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 9: both things to reinforce the other. I would argue the

1165
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 9: twentieth century did us dirty?

1166
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 3: The Cold War? Did us dirty? In the US?

1167
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 9: I grew up presented with the idea that the USSR

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00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 9: represented community in that side, and that meant being a

1169
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 9: cog in the machine, devoid of individuality in thrall to

1170
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 9: an authoritarian state. If I cared about the individual and

1171
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 9: individual freedom and liberty, I had to accept capitalism and

1172
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 9: competition and to see myself in a war against everyone else.

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00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 9: I don't know how you feel. I don't want to

1174
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 9: be a cargon machine, and I also don't want to

1175
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,959
Speaker 9: be in a war against everyone else.

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00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the This is the sort of false

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00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 3: dichultion media were presented with. It's like I'll tell an

1178
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: anecdote here. When I was writing my dissertation, I would

1179
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: describe my politics as left libertarian, and I would describe

1180
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: the politics of the many different types of anarchists in

1181
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: an arcosyndicalis in Spain similarly, because it accurately describes the perspective, right,

1182
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 3: and I was forbidden from doing so. The probably fair

1183
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 3: enough objection that Americans could not comprehend the idea of

1184
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: libertarianism without individualism.

1185
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, which is annoying because oh is it Rathbard. Someone

1186
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 9: consciously stole that word from us. You used to not

1187
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 9: have to say left libertarian because if you said libertarian

1188
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 9: you meant left libertarian.

1189
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. This was the pre date to Rothbud. It is

1190
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 3: something I've written about on my patreon. Wow. But yeah,

1191
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: libertarian began to be used by French anarchists to avoid

1192
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 3: censorship and persecution of anarchists for being anarchists. Yeah, and

1193
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: then it came to America, where, like many things in America,

1194
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: it was stolen from its original original creators and custodians

1195
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 3: and fucking ruined by chuds. Yeah, which is a shame.

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00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, there is in fact an option where you

1197
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: don't have to pick one or the other. Yeah.

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00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 9: What is good for me as an individual is to

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Speaker 9: be able to express the full range of my possibilities, right,

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00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 9: And I'm more able to do that in a supportive

1201
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 9: community than like alone in the woods somewhere, cut off

1202
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 9: from everyone else, chasing rabbits with a hatchet and dying

1203
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 9: of easily preventable infections, Like, it's.

1204
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: The American dream. Ug, what are you talking about.

1205
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 9: I used to joke that I was going to start

1206
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 9: a YouTube channel called how to Survive alone in the

1207
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 9: woods of the hatchet eating squirrels that you kill with

1208
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 9: the aforementioned hatchet.

1209
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: But unfortunately you died of tetanus before.

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00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly. The existence of society makes me more free,

1211
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 9: It makes me more capable of doing what I want

1212
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 9: to do. I really like I don't remember which old

1213
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 9: theorist came up with it, but I really like the

1214
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 9: idea of understanding freedom as a relationship between people, not

1215
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 9: a like static state. It is something that we offer

1216
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 9: each other and that we like work to maximize with

1217
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 9: each other.

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00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. On the other side of things, what's good for

1219
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: communities is not to be rigidly top down controlled, but

1220
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: instead to allow people free expression, develop new ideas, try

1221
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: new things, to have communities grow organically. We are not

1222
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: actually factory cogs. We do better as a garden. Yeah,

1223
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 3: And that's been my working theory with preparedness. It's been similar.

1224
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: On one side, are these deals, these goods and services,

1225
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: the ads that interrupt things. Yeah, magnificent, thank you, thank you.

1226
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: I live to do this. Here's the ads, and we're

1227
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: back on one side.

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Speaker 9: I saw preppers as being kind of a primarily an

1229
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 9: individualistic bunch of folks obsessed with what I've called the

1230
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 9: bunker mentality, the hole up and guns and shoot anyone

1231
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 9: who comes to close mentality that I've got, mind fuck

1232
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 9: you mentality you've ever seen on like older prepper Reddit

1233
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 9: and stuff like that, where people like kind of get

1234
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 9: sad when they realize they're all planning to shoot each other,

1235
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 9: all their friends after the apocalypse.

1236
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah that like, anyone who's able to has more than

1237
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 3: two weeks of food storges, it's inherently going to kill

1238
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 3: anyone else. Yeah, who has more than two? Yeah, it's

1239
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: great when they all come around to educationally.

1240
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, and they're like, wait, but I like this community

1241
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 9: I've built.

1242
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're also the only friends because they've alienated everyone

1243
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: else with their weird obsessions. Yeah, fallout.

1244
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 9: This is not a good mentality to have. I would

1245
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 9: argue it's behind a lot of what's happening on the

1246
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 9: border right now. Actually, I think that the right wing

1247
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 9: actually does believe in climate change and is not willing

1248
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 9: to just say it publicly because it doesn't play to

1249
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 9: their base. But they they're like, we've got ours, fuck you,

1250
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 9: and want to close down the borders as best as

1251
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:31,959
Speaker 9: they can in the global North.

1252
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll move the borders as far from your

1253
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: eyesight as possible. That's what I saw in Panama was

1254
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: oh yeah, listeners will know I was in the daddy

1255
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 3: and gap. But like Panama without funding you and me,

1256
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 3: Margaret Home, we pay our taxes, we pay for families

1257
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: to be split out. Hell yeah, deportations to happen, fences

1258
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: to be built in Panama because that makes it further

1259
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 3: from our site and from our mind. Right. That's what

1260
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 3: liberty means. Yep.

1261
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 9: Liberty is the ability to interfere in other countries' families.

1262
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeap, domestic politics in other countries by fire hose of money.

1263
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 9: I mean, it's funny because it's the same like justification.

1264
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 9: Every now and then you meet the people who genuinely

1265
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 9: think Russia is like allowed to invade Ukraine because border

1266
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 9: security because Ukraine's too close to it.

1267
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 3: You're like, amazing, Yeah, Ukraine bad, therefore fuck it. Why not?

1268
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: Like it's yeah, yeah, it's like the Monroe doctrine. But

1269
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: for Russia, like this is my hemisphere. Don't fuck with me.

1270
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, burn down your neighbor's house because you're just like, nah,

1271
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 9: you're living too close to me.

1272
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 3: Don't like it. Yeah, senior yard sign. They've got one

1273
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: of those in this house signs. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah,

1274
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: which they've all taken down now because it's no human

1275
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: beings legal and they no longer believe that. Yeah.

1276
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 7: Cool.

1277
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 9: Well, I would argue this is a fundamentally right wing

1278
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 9: individualistic mentality, whether it's coming from ostensibly left as tankies

1279
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 9: or ostensibly center left Democrats, or they admit their right

1280
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 9: wing individualistic preppers. Yeah, And this was dominant in prepping

1281
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 9: circles before around twenty twenty, when an awful lot more

1282
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 9: people with different ideas came into the space. But the

1283
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 9: older school preppers focused on individual preparedness or family level

1284
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 9: household level preparedness, and they have an awful lot of

1285
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 9: really good ideas around some of these things, around storing

1286
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 9: food and water, around maintaining communications, around all sorts of

1287
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 9: things to help the individual or family during crisis to

1288
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 9: be prepared. On the other end of things, there are

1289
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 9: mutual aid groups and other community organizations that do community preparedness.

1290
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 9: They build organizational communication and logistical networks, and they're fantastic

1291
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 9: and their overall what's been left out of preparedness conversations,

1292
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 9: but until more recently I haven't seen as many of

1293
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,919
Speaker 9: those places is the people who are doing those things

1294
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 9: also concerned themselves with individual preparedness.

1295
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1296
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've been operating under the assumption for years that

1297
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 9: the two can work really well in tandem with each other.

1298
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 9: If you are self sufficient, you're in a better place

1299
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,959
Speaker 9: to help others. That was my hypothesis. This is really

1300
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 9: just the Margaret was Right episode of it could happen.

1301
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 3: Here, the victory lap Yeah.

1302
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 9: Oh wait, it's a victory wrap around bodies. I don't

1303
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 9: like it anymore. Well, it's people who did do these

1304
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 9: things getting to have not thrived but did not died.

1305
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 9: I don't know how to say this.

1306
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 3: It's a tricky subject getting credit for being right and

1307
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:42,959
Speaker 3: putting in the work.

1308
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, and a lot of people were and a lot

1309
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 9: of people had done that, and it showed really well in.

1310
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: The disaster response in Ashville, because.

1311
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 9: When I went down to Ashville, one of the things

1312
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 9: that I asked most of the people I talked to

1313
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 9: is what they prepared, what they wished they'd prepared, and

1314
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 9: what lessons they were taking away from all this about preparedness.

1315
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 9: And one of my friends is old Punk, and he

1316
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 9: was one of the first old He's like my age whatever,

1317
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 9: it might be a few years older than me.

1318
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. Margaret crushed by moment of reflection live

1319
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 3: on Podcasts.

1320
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm jealous because I don't have enough gray hair.

1321
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: They keep falling out of my head.

1322
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 9: But one of my friends who does have very nice

1323
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 9: gray hair, Old Punk, is one of the first people

1324
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 9: who was out.

1325
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: On the street cooking food to give away.

1326
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 9: He told me that he was able to do that

1327
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 9: because he knew he was fine by and large during

1328
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 9: this particular crisis. Every crisis is going to be real

1329
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 9: different if your house wasn't in the actual floodplain, and

1330
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 9: since it was in the mountains, that was not most houses. Instead,

1331
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 9: it was like most roads and some houses. You know, Yeah,

1332
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 9: the big problems you were dealing with was lack of food,

1333
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 9: lack of water, lack of cell service. And he had

1334
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 9: plenty of water and food stored, and at one point

1335
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 9: someone had even kind of come up to him, been

1336
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 9: like are you no, You're fine, aren't you? And he

1337
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 9: was like, yeah, no, I'm fine.

1338
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: So just being like getting off prepared vibes, I guess yeah, No.

1339
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 3: I was real proud.

1340
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 9: Like once I was doing this community defense thing and

1341
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 9: we were like, oh, we need a flashlight. Does anyone hey, Margaret,

1342
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 9: you're a flashlight right, And I was like, yeah, with.

1343
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 3: Any want Yeah, being the flashlight person, Yeah, it's a

1344
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: huge win the moment you get to deploy that flashlight

1345
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 3: you've been toting around. Yeah.

1346
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 9: Well, And that's actually part of my like core argument

1347
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 9: that I make in the other podcasts I recorded today

1348
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 9: that's going to come out some sign around now, is

1349
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 9: that like people want to help people. Oh yeah, like

1350
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 9: the average pickup truck guy. We even kind of see.

1351
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm a pickup truck girl, but like we

1352
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 9: see the average pickup truck guy is the like, ah,

1353
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 9: good out of my way, limberal, guns, dogs, whatever, you know.

1354
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: And I like pickup trucks and guns and dogs and

1355
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 3: as I don't really like.

1356
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 9: But one of the main things you want to make

1357
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 9: a man with a pickup truck happy. Get your car

1358
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 9: stuck in a ditch.

1359
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there are a whole groups where people love

1360
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 3: to pull other people out of stupid situations they've got

1361
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 3: themselves into off road. Yeah it is fun for them.

1362
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like because then the fact that you've been doing

1363
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 9: this thing had a purpose. I carry a flashlight and

1364
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 9: a knife every single moment in my life, So when

1365
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 9: someone needs a flashlight or a knife, I'm like, oh, yeah,

1366
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 9: I am fucking the reincarnation of the goddess. Like, no

1367
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 9: one is better than me. Yeah, you're the all powerful

1368
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 9: light carrier.

1369
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly when all other lights go out for me,

1370
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 3: it's the moment I get to deploy. Like obviously this

1371
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 3: has been an audio podcast, but I have a leatherman

1372
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: that I like to carry around. Yeah, like where someone

1373
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 3: needs pliers or wire cutting, you have that capability.

1374
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're just like Chad, You're a superhero, You're a mutant,

1375
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 9: you know. Like yeah, so yeah, this friend of mine

1376
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 9: had plenty of water and food stored, and you can

1377
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 9: usually go a couple of days without communication if you

1378
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 9: don't have any immediate crisis, right.

1379
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1380
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 9: He told me that what most people did or needed

1381
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 9: to do, was first they needed to make sure to

1382
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 9: meet their own needs, you know, like thele to fix

1383
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 9: your own oxygen mask before helping your seat mate. So

1384
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 9: it was the people who were the most resilient, the

1385
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 9: most prepared, who were out driving around in their trucks

1386
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 9: or cars whatever, giving away food, or were working to

1387
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 9: coordinate meetings most immediately. And the other part of it

1388
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 9: was that people who had community preparedness skills were also

1389
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 9: among the first people getting stuff done on the ground

1390
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 9: because mutual aid it's organic, and it's chaotic and it's spontaneous, right,

1391
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 9: but it is organized. It is a developed skill about

1392
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 9: how to organically organize. The more people who were experienced

1393
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 9: with chaotic, decentralized organizing, the better a community was able

1394
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 9: to weather the immediate aftermath of the storm because people

1395
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 9: knew how to set up distribution hubs and connect people

1396
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 9: and so basically like a solid church or an anarchist group,

1397
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 9: and your rural town was in a much better spot. Yeah,

1398
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 9: that makes sense, And this is one of the main

1399
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 9: places in the country where you're going to find entire

1400
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 9: anarchist groups in random rural small towns. Having been one

1401
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 9: of those people in one of those small towns, I

1402
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 9: keep saying I lived in Nashville, I lived in Sandy Mush.

1403
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,959
Speaker 3: Where Sandy Mush is. I don't bother saying it because

1404
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 3: no one knows where it is. Hell of a name

1405
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: though I know it's almost British and it's weirdness. I

1406
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 3: was like two fem for baseball caps back then, and

1407
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: all my landmates were the Cama baseball caps from the

1408
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,480
Speaker 3: local store that says Sandy.

1409
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 5: Mush, you know.

1410
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,919
Speaker 9: And I'm really sad that I didn't get one, especially

1411
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 9: now because now I have one and I'm wearing it

1412
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 9: now that has the name of the town I live in.

1413
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 9: But I can't wear it anywhere because it doses me.

1414
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 7: Ah.

1415
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, see that's a fun yea. If you had a

1416
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 3: Sandy Mush one, you'd be Yeah. Someone send Margaret a

1417
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 3: baseball cap, yeah, from Sandy Mush, Yeah with Camma.

1418
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1419
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 9: Oh, I probably won't wear it otherwise I'll be real

1420
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 9: because I still got to be fem and somehow that

1421
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 9: is how things work in my subculture. So you need

1422
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 9: individual preparedness so that you're free enough to help people,

1423
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 9: and you need community preparedness so you.

1424
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 3: Know what to do.

1425
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 9: And then you also have all of these people with

1426
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 9: really specialized skills and tools and these are the kinds

1427
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 9: of things that I can't say that every prepper needs

1428
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 9: to go out and do. But like ATVs have been

1429
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 9: crucial to disaster relief efforts, that doesn't mean that everyone

1430
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 9: should run out and buy an ATV to keep around

1431
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 9: in the case of flooding. This is a note for

1432
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 9: me because I don't quite live on enough land to

1433
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 9: justify an ATV, and I really want one.

1434
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, scared one of those little ones. Yeah, there's

1435
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 3: little children ones.

1436
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 4: I know.

1437
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 3: I'm just a drive around a circle.

1438
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 9: I'd like mostly live in the woods and so there's

1439
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 9: like just not a lot of ATVs. Are great when

1440
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 9: you got like twelve acres with horses on them, you know.

1441
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah you're going out, you can get a sheep dog

1442
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 3: on the back. Very practical for that kind of thing. Yeah,

1443
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 3: rifle case.

1444
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 9: But that said, A dirt bike friend of mine, who

1445
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 9: was a quite prepared person, immediately went out and spent

1446
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 9: days going into hard to reach areas to connect with

1447
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 9: people and bring them supplies. Yeah, so maybe I can.

1448
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 3: Just fight a dirt bike. Yeah, dirt bike, E bike,

1449
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 3: E dirt bike. Then you can run off solar power,

1450
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 3: don't need gas, store it sideways.

1451
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 9: Okay, we're gonna talk about electronics versus gas later in

1452
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 9: the episode.

1453
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 3: I got a whole part about it. Yeaheah, okay, good.

1454
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 9: But first, what we really need for the apocalypse is

1455
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 9: whatever comes next in the ads. That is what will

1456
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 9: save you in the apocalypse. If it's a podcast, yeap

1457
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 9: that is the podcast that will give you the secret

1458
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:24,879
Speaker 9: to surviving the apocalypse.

1459
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 3: Hopefully it's the Reagan gold coins, which will become the

1460
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 3: currency as soon as the state collapses. I bet it's gambling,

1461
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 3: and if you go gamble, you're guaranteed to win. That's

1462
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 3: how I think we legally cannot say that. Oh well

1463
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 3: then yeah, yeah, I wonder if we can get away

1464
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 3: with saying don't gamble, it's a bad idea. Yeah. No,

1465
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 3: I think we actually can't say that. Okay, great, don't

1466
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 3: gamble it's a bad idea.

1467
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1468
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 9: And Rebecca, the we're all lesson was that some stuff

1469
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 9: is and was useful for everyone to have.

1470
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about some of.

1471
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 9: That stuff, while other certain specialized tools and skill sets

1472
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 9: only made sense for some people to have. Not everyone

1473
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 9: needs to know how to repair a chainsaw or even

1474
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 9: own a chainsaw, but it sure proved to be a

1475
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 9: handy skill in this particular crisis. Ashville is easily an

1476
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 9: image of the climate crisis future. I think you and

1477
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 9: Robert got into that in the episode you did about this.

1478
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we spoke a little bit about how like this

1479
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 3: is a vision it was coming from a lot of us.

1480
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm basically doing a like me too. I couldn't

1481
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 9: be on the call because I was busy. That's what

1482
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 9: this episode is.

1483
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 3: No, we Robert and I have not been there. My

1484
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 3: house was when I was younger, but yeah, we were

1485
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 3: not at this time.

1486
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 9: Ashville is not okay. It is a somewhat remote part

1487
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 9: of the country in terms of its raw geography. You're

1488
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 9: not getting into that city without taking steep, curving freeways

1489
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 9: or flying into a regional airport. But culturally, and because

1490
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 9: of the level of infrastructure the United States provides, it

1491
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 9: is not an isolated city. It is a very much

1492
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 9: a modern and hip city with about I think one

1493
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 9: hundred thousand people had I think about eighty thousand when

1494
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 9: I left a couple of years ago, but it's been growing. Yeah,

1495
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 9: partly because lots of Silicon Valley folks moved there to

1496
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 9: work remote much to the sorrow of locals.

1497
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 3: Like everywhere else a people moved, I know.

1498
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 9: And then I'm also like I work remote and lived

1499
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 9: I actually can't throw the stones here.

1500
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have lived here since I didn't work remote. Yeah,

1501
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 3: fair enough. I'll take my stern throwing opportunity.

1502
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 9: Asheville is a very climate stable area. All of Appalachia is,

1503
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 9: and it's nowhere near the coast. There's not a lot

1504
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 9: of earthquakes. There are far fewer forest fires than there

1505
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 9: are out west. There were some forest fires that were

1506
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 9: there one of the years that I lived there, but

1507
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 9: you know, they didn't. It didn't impact my life the

1508
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 9: way it impacts my friends' lives.

1509
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 3: To live out west.

1510
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, there are industrial accidents and there's occasional flooding, but

1511
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 9: no one had any reason to expect anything like this,

1512
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 9: except that all of us have every reason to exp

1513
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 9: something like this. Areas hit more regularly by climate disasters

1514
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 9: have protocols in place for those sorts of things. People

1515
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 9: in California pay attention to the fires during that fire season.

1516
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 9: People on the Gulf Coast track the hurricanes. And not

1517
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 9: that these disasters aren't disastrous, but they're expected. They're part

1518
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 9: of living where you live Ashville. What happened there could

1519
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 9: be any of us at any time, So what was

1520
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 9: useful for them for prepping seems like it might be

1521
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 9: really useful for all of us. And most of that,

1522
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 9: most of what was useful is the basics. People I

1523
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 9: talked to were either real happy that they stored water

1524
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 9: or real sad that they hadn't stored water. With the

1525
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 9: storm coming, people filled up their bath tubs. One friend

1526
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 9: cut the down spouts on his house to direct them

1527
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 9: into trash cans, and now a week later, they still

1528
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:53,959
Speaker 9: have water.

1529
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 3: To flush the toilet. Yeah.

1530
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 9: And you know, if you're like super ahead of it,

1531
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 9: you've got your little rain collectors all the time, right,

1532
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 9: but yeah, worst case scenario, cut your down spout and

1533
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 9: throw a trash can there, yep, or anything else that's

1534
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 9: food safe. Yeah, well, in this case is mostly water flushing.

1535
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1536
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1537
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 3: But it's funny just as you mentioned this, Like I

1538
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 3: was in the village I stayed in last week didn't

1539
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 3: have rain water electricity, and that's exactly what they did.

1540
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 3: They had a person I stayed with had like a

1541
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 3: normal toilet, but they don't have plumbed in water, so

1542
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 3: they just collect rainwater and use that every time they

1543
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 3: want to flush it. Yeah, every time.

1544
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 9: I've lived off gread and dot a busy access running

1545
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 9: water instead of bucket flushing.

1546
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 3: I'm shit in a bucket with sawdust. Yeah yeah, they

1547
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 3: I think, like there's a hole underneath. I'm interesting, but

1548
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 3: you have to flush it to get it in. I

1549
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 3: think this was like a status upgrade to have the

1550
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 3: physical toilet. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, that actually makes a

1551
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,480
Speaker 3: lot of sense. Yeah.

1552
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 9: Some of the first water distribution centers that came online

1553
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 9: after the storm in Ashville didn't have water containers, and

1554
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 9: this is actually still the case as of recording, so

1555
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 9: people had to bring their own. One friend only had

1556
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 9: those big clear water drugs, the kind that you put

1557
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 9: into like a water cooler and like get refilled at

1558
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 9: the grocery store, you know. Yeah, and these don't have

1559
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 9: good caps and you can't really bicycle with them while

1560
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 9: they're full.

1561
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: I've bicycled with one when it was full. But yeah, okay,

1562
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 3: it's not a fun, not a fun. This is where

1563
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 3: you need a long tail cargo bike, the ultimate prep

1564
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 3: of vehicle. Fair enough, I would argue, Jerry cans, that's

1565
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 3: my pitch instead of yeah, yeah, you can also get

1566
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 3: jerry kNs or like the like big opaque water jugs

1567
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 3: for storing water. But yeah, or even bags, what are

1568
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 3: bags like the like MSI drown bags? Okay, ifew says before,

1569
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 3: there's a pretty robust I've only seen little ones that

1570
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 3: it makes sense of those big ones too. Yeah, big

1571
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,839
Speaker 3: ones expedition stuff.

1572
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 9: I would argue that if you're thinking about getting the stuff,

1573
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 9: opaque water containers with good lids are more useful than

1574
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 9: the blue clear ones. But if you have access to

1575
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 9: the blue clear ones and that's what you got, go

1576
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 9: get them.

1577
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 7: Yea.

1578
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 9: And many people lacked any containers at all, so the

1579
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 9: water distribution site was not as directly useful as it

1580
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 9: could have otherwise been.

1581
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 3: That's tough.

1582
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 9: One friend during the storm pulled out all the recycling

1583
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 9: and filled every jug with water and put it in

1584
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 9: the fridge, which did two things. One it gave you

1585
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 9: slightly orange tasting water to drink for a while, and

1586
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 9: two it added thermal mass to keep the fridge cool longer.

1587
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 9: And of course, you know story, more water always good.

1588
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1589
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 9: For the most part, most water people had access to

1590
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 9: had a boil advisory on it before it went out completely.

1591
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 9: Oh you're a water filter expert. I want to talk

1592
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 9: to you about this.

1593
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 3: I was about to fucking dive into that shit. I

1594
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 3: was so I was ready to go. Okay, hold on,

1595
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 3: all right.

1596
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, floodwater itself is generally an awe, or at least

1597
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 9: it is in this case too toxic to use a

1598
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 9: simple filter or boil at home. Things like pesticides are

1599
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 9: incredibly hard to get out of water. Yeah, and lightweight

1600
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 9: backpacking type filters, which overall are what I recommend for

1601
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 9: most things like sawyers and life straws. They don't really

1602
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 9: cut it as from what I understand. From what I understand,

1603
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 9: and the two methods that can work are the like

1604
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 9: fairly slow and like intense charcoal filters, activated charcoal filters,

1605
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 9: and then in home style reverse osmosis filters, which normally

1606
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 9: I don't like, but for this it seems like they might.

1607
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have enough power for an arrow filter. Yeah,

1608
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 3: it's a nice touch. Also, if you get one, then

1609
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 3: your home appliance did if you'd have in a hard

1610
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 3: water area, which is a lot of the West, won't

1611
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 3: get fucked up by the classification so much.

1612
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 9: Oh that makes sense. I use a water softener AM

1613
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 9: I well, similar approach, but I like reverse osmosis seems

1614
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 9: like it has some advantages. Maybe I never like reverse

1615
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 9: osmosis because when I first was looking into it, I

1616
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 9: lived off grid and reverse osmosis creates a lot of

1617
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 9: waste water.

1618
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was just like, all of this water

1619
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 3: was hard to come by. Fuck that. There are some

1620
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 3: filters that have an activated charchole element, specifically the pesticide

1621
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 3: runoff and like industrial guitaminates is something I have been

1622
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 3: really worried about in a couple of places I've been

1623
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 3: for work. You know. Actually I was somewhat concerned about

1624
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 3: that on a recent trip, the one, the one in Panama.

1625
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: But it's not so much pesticides. There's human waste and

1626
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 3: decaying human remains, which is pretty rough. But in the

1627
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 3: end my that was a big concern for we went there.

1628
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 3: The MSI Guardian I think has an activated charkhole element,

1629
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 3: and so does the camelback in line filter. Oh interest

1630
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 3: kind of a small one. Yeah, that And what's really

1631
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 3: cool about that is a lot of them you can't

1632
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 3: replace because the activated charcol is you can't backflush it

1633
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 3: in the same way that you can BackFlash a filter,

1634
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 3: right Camelback will sell you just the actual activated charkhole

1635
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 3: element that you can then replace. I've got a few

1636
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 3: of them in a cupboard behind. Yeah, but that would

1637
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 3: be what to look for if you're but yeah, don't

1638
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 3: be just boiling it or just filtering it. And those

1639
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 3: are for like something like a soayer. They're great for rainwater.

1640
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 3: But if you're filtering water, you wann't a fast flowing

1641
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 3: clear not a herbid or a stagnant water source or

1642
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 3: industrially bllluted water source. A fast flowing clear mountain stream great,

1643
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 3: but like turbid, stagnant water with industrial pollutants not so good.

1644
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 3: That makes sense.

1645
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 9: And so if you're listening as a Nashville or elsewhere,

1646
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 9: I'm like, I'm trying to think of what I'm like.

1647
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 9: I'll probably I have some activated charcoal stuff, but I

1648
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 9: don't like it as much because I don't like I

1649
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 9: don't like disposable things.

1650
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, but I yeah, things that you can

1651
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 3: reuse or always better.

1652
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, but for certain threat models, especially if you don't

1653
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 9: have the power for reversus messus.

1654
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not that expensive. Yeah, the MSR ones

1655
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 3: actually the that's what the US military issues to some

1656
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 3: of it's like I guess more special people sottimes. They

1657
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 3: pop up on the surplus market, pretty cheap, okay, and

1658
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 3: they have a bomber warranty. You could trash it and

1659
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 3: they'll replace it.

1660
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 9: Oh hell yeah, I like that. A lot of outdoors

1661
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 9: gear is like pretty like they'll stand by their product.

1662
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 9: Yeah I would.

1663
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 3: I keep wanting trying to pitch his story Italy, but yeah,

1664
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 3: like I have an MSR quilt. This is not like

1665
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 3: an MSR sponsored episode, but I've used that shit on

1666
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 3: It's a very small, very light with like an ultralight quill.

1667
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 3: I've used I think literally on almost every continent in

1668
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 3: the world. Well, and just through like it's down and

1669
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 3: through like my body's greasiness, my inherent oiliness gradually down

1670
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: even if you take really good care of it, right,

1671
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 3: the down gets packed in and there. Yeah, I had

1672
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 3: it for probably six years. I was like, fuck it,

1673
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 3: this isn't working anymore. Let me see if they'll do

1674
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 3: me a discount of a new one, put in a

1675
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 3: warranty claim, send it back to them. Okay, here's a

1676
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 3: new one. Just just sent me one.

1677
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 9: That's cool. Yeah, yeah, no, I like that more outdoor stuff.

1678
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 9: I like people who stand by the shit they do.

1679
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they also fixed stuff, which is cool, Like

1680
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 3: I like that, and they will ship you the part

1681
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 3: to fix it well, which is I feel less wasteful

1682
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 3: when that happens. Yeah. So with food, this one's real simple.

1683
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 3: People are either glad they stockpiled food or they were

1684
01:20:56,439 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 3: sad that they hadn't a stockpiled food. Yeah, that's an

1685
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 3: easy one.

1686
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 9: One friend immediately took about half a stash of freeze

1687
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 9: dried foods to distribute out to friends and strangers. Most

1688
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 9: people I talked to did not have any real amount

1689
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 9: of backup power available to them. On any given street,

1690
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 9: I would pass only a few houses with generators running,

1691
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 9: which also, of course, takes gas or propane. Propane has

1692
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 9: the advantage of storing indefinitely, it has the disadvantage of

1693
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 9: being substantially more expensive per like kill abot hour or

1694
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 9: whatever of power.

1695
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 3: M h yeah, probably more bulky too to store right,

1696
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 3: like per energy unit totally.

1697
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 9: When I was off grid, I used a dual fuel

1698
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 9: gener I actually I took it down and I no

1699
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 9: longer have the generator and gave.

1700
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 3: It to some folks.

1701
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 9: But I had a gas propane generator, and I ran

1702
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 9: it off of propane because it also is like cleaner

1703
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 9: on the engines.

1704
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 3: You have to do less maintenance.

1705
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, but you know, if I needed it all the time,

1706
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 9: it was a backup to my solar. If I had

1707
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 9: to run it all the time, I would have used

1708
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 9: gas because it Yeah. Anyway, I talked with one homeowner

1709
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 9: with solar on his roof about how he hadn't sprung

1710
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 9: for the house battery because after all, power in the

1711
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 9: area never really went out for.

1712
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: More than a day at a time, right.

1713
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 9: Yeah, I personally delivered two solar generators, which just means

1714
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 9: like big ol' lithium batteries with inputs and outputs built in,

1715
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 9: And those would be my personal primary recommendation for people

1716
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 9: who want to run lights and charge phones and things.

1717
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 3: Like that during power outages for a while.

1718
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, while gas or propane generators more useful for keeping

1719
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 9: heavy duty appliances going like fridges.

1720
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1721
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 9: I also passed out a couple different like portable or

1722
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 9: luggable solar panel setups that can charge phones or other devices.

1723
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 9: And there were some mutual aid folks going around and

1724
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 9: helping people with their solar setups. But overall, I didn't

1725
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:43,959
Speaker 9: see as much of it as I expected.

1726
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 3: I expected to show up and they'll just be like

1727
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 3: outside the mutual aid stations, a big old foldable solar

1728
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 3: panel with a power brick. I think fewer people had

1729
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 3: that the night.

1730
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 7: Wow.

1731
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 3: So what are you doing to go buy?

1732
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 8: Oh?

1733
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 3: Right, because money is hard to come by, that's the reason. Yeah,

1734
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 3: you haven't made them self save a little bit, uh

1735
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 3: that way, but be careful with big blocks of cells

1736
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 3: and shit.

1737
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, And like I'm always trying to price out the

1738
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 9: difference between like I build my own solar setups. Yeah,

1739
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 9: but I also like just get these solar generators. Sometimes,

1740
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 9: until you're looking at like big systems, the price difference

1741
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 9: is not as dramatic as you want, you.

1742
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 3: Know, because yeah, actually putting in a lot of time

1743
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 3: and or.

1744
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 9: Even like an inverter costs a fair amount of money.

1745
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 9: And so if you're building a big system, the inverter

1746
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 9: is like worth the expense, right, But if it's a

1747
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 9: little system, the little thing that has a built an

1748
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 9: inverter and be cheaper, right.

1749
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1750
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 3: And like the charge controller edge controller, Yeah, I was

1751
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 3: recently building one out for leaving out for migrants. Yeah,

1752
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 3: or having in the bed of my truck so when

1753
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 3: I run into people and need to charge their phones,

1754
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 3: they can just do that without my truck being gone.

1755
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, I ended up shoving a bunch of

1756
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 3: twelve fort batter reason that ammocan and hooking it up

1757
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 3: to a bunch of USB boards on the outside of

1758
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 3: the amacan and then just bringing them home at charging

1759
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 3: them make other than doing a charge controller, And yeah,

1760
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 3: it's not worth it. No, that makes sense.

1761
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 9: And honestly, like my van's off grid setup is I

1762
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 9: have the equipment to run it off my alternator or

1763
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 9: solar panels on the roof, I just have a fuck

1764
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 9: ton of batteries in my van, so I just plug

1765
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 9: it in every couple of weeks and it's fine, you know.

1766
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you end up doing I've tried a bunch

1767
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 3: of the different solar panels I use them when I'm

1768
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 3: this company called Pale Blue that I used a decent amount.

1769
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 3: I left it with someone on a work trip because

1770
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 3: they needed it more than me. Yeah, it's alsouly useful,

1771
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 3: But like, if you're really trying to run anything big,

1772
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 3: you need a lot more solar panel then you're probably

1773
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 3: gonna you know, carry around on your backpack.

1774
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 9: That's what I think people don't quite recognize is that,

1775
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 9: like I used to have a pretty large array of

1776
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 9: twelve hundred watts, and you know, I had to go

1777
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 9: run hundreds of feet of cable to put that in

1778
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 9: a field and build like a whole structure to hold

1779
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 9: it and get it to the right angle and things

1780
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 9: like that. Yeah, and even then in the winter I

1781
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,520
Speaker 9: ran the generator. And this is to keep my laptop

1782
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 9: and a little tiny super efficient fridge going right and

1783
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 9: some other stuff right. But like, solar is not space efficient.

1784
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 9: It's not going to do what you think it does

1785
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 9: because it's not gonna do what it's advertised to do.

1786
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 9: But it'll keep your cell phone alive, yeah.

1787
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 3: Which is important. Or if you use a satellite communicator

1788
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 3: or something, then you can keep that charged. Yeah.

1789
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 9: With gas, one friend usually keeps her car half full

1790
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 9: of gas, but forgot that week because you've been driving

1791
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 9: so much and started the crisis with only an eighth

1792
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 9: of a tank and was extra stuck. You need to

1793
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 9: have a gas can if you want to drive out

1794
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 9: of the city and get as much gas as possible.

1795
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 9: Of course, you can store gas in a good container

1796
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 9: for a while, but it goes bad after three to

1797
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,719
Speaker 9: six months. You store gas that way, So you should

1798
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 9: set an alarm for yourself. This is kind of telling myself.

1799
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 9: I have like gas cans where I was like, oh,

1800
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 9: I should store some gas, and then I'm like, oh, wait,

1801
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 9: how long has that one been there?

1802
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Crap? Now am I dealing with it? Yeah? You

1803
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 3: have to take it to real specialized places to deal

1804
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 3: with it. Yeah, it's hard to get rid of it

1805
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 3: once you Yeah, let it go bad.

1806
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 9: And so an empty gas can actually would have done

1807
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 9: people in Ashville a lot of good. A full gas

1808
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 9: can even better, right, But honestly, full tank of gas

1809
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 9: in your car better in a full gas can, empty

1810
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 9: gas can allow people to leave and go get gas

1811
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 9: because they were not. Civilization didn't end. Civilization ended a

1812
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 9: ninety minute radius, you know. Yeah, So you can set

1813
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 9: an alarm for yourself if.

1814
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 3: You're going to keep full gas and then you put

1815
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 3: it in your gas tank and then you go refill

1816
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 3: it again, and then you get annoyed about doing this,

1817
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 3: and then you stop doing it, and then an apocalypse happens,

1818
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 3: and then you're really annoyed that you forgot. Don't ask

1819
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 3: me how I know. Just if you have the money

1820
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 3: to not let your vehicle get below half full, you'll

1821
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 3: probably be fine. You can get a long way in

1822
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 3: a tank.

1823
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 9: Well, it's about when you have the money is an

1824
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 9: important part. But at the end of the day, it

1825
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 9: does not cost you more money to keep your gas

1826
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 9: tank at half full.

1827
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 3: Right, No, it doesn't because you're and unless you're driving

1828
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 3: a long way to get the gas, but like you're

1829
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 3: still driving the same amount, you're just stopping off a

1830
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 3: little more.

1831
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, empty gas can ended up crucial, and people who

1832
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 9: stored them were glad, and a lot of them were

1833
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 9: donated immediately. Volunteers collected gas cans and drove the three

1834
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 9: hour round trip to fill them up with gas several

1835
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 9: times a day. You should learn the range of your vehicle.

1836
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 9: Newer cars will tell you automatically, but if not, it's

1837
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 9: not super hard to figure out your gas mileage. You

1838
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 9: have to like look at your mileage when you fill

1839
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 9: it up and do some division and shit and find

1840
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 9: out the size of your fuel tank and your gas mileage,

1841
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 9: and you'll know whether or not you have enough gas

1842
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 9: to reach an area, especially if you're doing disaster relief.

1843
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 9: You never want to do disaster relief if you can't

1844
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 9: get out of the situation yourself, because then you're a

1845
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 9: fucking asshole, because then you are just actually another person

1846
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 9: who needs relief. Communications, as this show covered last week,

1847
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 9: were one of the hardest hit areas of preparedness in

1848
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 9: this crisis. There were Ham radio operators doing stuff, but

1849
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 9: a lot of my activist and anarchist friends with Bao fangs,

1850
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 9: which are these cheap Ham radios, struggle to get them

1851
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 9: to work well during the storm due to the mountains,

1852
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 9: water in the air, lack of repeaters, and frankly that

1853
01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 9: Ham radios are really goddamn complicated. Everyone has fully up

1854
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:06,520
Speaker 9: on exactly how it works at that moment, right yeah,

1855
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 9: and this has put a fire under them to get

1856
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 9: better at it. But especially in the mountains, repeaters need

1857
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 9: to be a part of a radio communications plan. People

1858
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 9: with satellite phones were some of the only people in

1859
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 9: communication at the beginning. I was curious about and did

1860
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 9: not find any information about whether or not the new

1861
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 9: iPhone satellite texting.

1862
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask about that. I didn't find anyone

1863
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 3: who used it. Okay, I found it to be less

1864
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 3: reliable than what I have is Garment in Reach. I

1865
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 3: pay for it, yeah, and it works real well. Used

1866
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 3: it in the dairy and gap. I've used it again

1867
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 3: every continent part from Antarctica. So you would say that

1868
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 3: the iPhone doesn't replace the garment in Reach in terms

1869
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 3: of well the iPhone works in North America. So for me,

1870
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 3: my model has been absolutely not Like it didn't work

1871
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 3: in Panama, Central America, I guess, so yeah, no, for me,

1872
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,879
Speaker 3: the in Reach has been faster. It's also another device

1873
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 3: that's not yourself. Yeah, and like sometimes you know the

1874
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,600
Speaker 3: device that you're playing Angry Birds on and then you

1875
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 3: run out of battery or whatever. You know, Like, yeah,

1876
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 3: it's useful to have a device which is only for

1877
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 3: emergencies which lasts for two weeks if you charged it up. Yeah, one,

1878
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 3: I leave mine off and so yeah yeah yeah, I

1879
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 3: mean if you're getting one for that purpose, I would

1880
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 3: say that, like the bigger in Reach is better. There's

1881
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 3: in Reach Mini and Mini two. Again. I used the

1882
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 3: Mini for about eight years I think, eventually destroyed it

1883
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 3: and got it warranty replace with a Mini too. The

1884
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 3: bigger one allows you to type on the device, the

1885
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 3: Mini too, sending any kind of message without a cell

1886
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 3: phone to do the input is a real bastard. But this, yeah,

1887
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 3: it's just like remember when you used to do predictive

1888
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 3: texts and you do like one was ABC two. Yeah,

1889
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 3: it's like that.

1890
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 9: Okay, Yeah, I have the in reach too, and I've

1891
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 9: only proof of concept of that. I'm often driving around

1892
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 9: replaces where I could break our down the middle of nowhere.

1893
01:29:54,680 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 9: Actually I broke down yesterday about free my from where

1894
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 9: I lose cell service in the mountains that I live in.

1895
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 3: Oh, that could have been rough. I know. I also

1896
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 3: broke down in an auto mechanic shop.

1897
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 9: I got real lucky with what was otherwise a real

1898
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 9: bad situation.

1899
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 3: If you're getting it in reach Mini, this is my soapbox.

1900
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 3: Don't trust the crappy little caribiner it comes with by

1901
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 3: a small locking DMM makes a tiny locking carabiner. It's

1902
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 3: an important thing to lose it because you didn't want

1903
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 3: to spend ten bucks on a carabiner. Would be a

1904
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 3: bad day you mentioned this. I'll end up doing this

1905
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 3: because I trust you, because your user is more than mine.

1906
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 3: Mine just is like clip to my hiking bag, but

1907
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 3: it hasn't. Yeah, inherently and unlocking and unlocking caribine. You

1908
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,600
Speaker 3: want to be using a locker for something that's like

1909
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 3: an essential safety. Now that makes sense. Threadlock the little Yeah,

1910
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 3: it uses I think a talks or an Alan threadlock

1911
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 3: that bad boy in. Okay, you're good to go.

1912
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 9: I know that starlink doesn't work very well during storms.

1913
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 9: There's this method of internet called starlink that's owned by

1914
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 9: someone who I don't like and wouldn't like me because

1915
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 9: I'm a transperson. But starlink is not incredibly reliable during storms.

1916
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,719
Speaker 9: I know that because I live remote and you starlink.

1917
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 9: I'm on talking on starlink right now. It does not

1918
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 9: work great during storms. But after the storm passed and

1919
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 9: when cell service was still out, a restaurant with starlink

1920
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 9: was where many people first were able to reach their

1921
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 9: loved ones. That's cool, and so that is a thing

1922
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 9: to know. It is a fairly reliable service.

1923
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 3: Frankly, same deal in the Darien. Actually, that's how migrants

1924
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 3: are first able to contact their loved ones and let

1925
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 3: them know that they're safe. Yeah, it's an indigenous village

1926
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 3: where someone has a starlink, unless you personally piss off

1927
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 3: a particular billionaire, in which case he will personally turn

1928
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 3: it off for you. Yeah. Great.

1929
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 9: Everyone I talked to had a regular like AMFM weather

1930
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 9: blah blah blah radio at home, which is great. Yeah,

1931
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 9: people should have radios in their homes. Radio is the

1932
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 9: main mechanism that the city used to broadcast information about

1933
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 9: various threats, like evacuations of regions threatened by the destruction

1934
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 9: of dams or the can tamination in the water. However,

1935
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 9: how you charge them is you know, I fortunately had

1936
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,440
Speaker 9: some d batteries in my van to give to someone because.

1937
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that soul school. Yeah.

1938
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 9: No, yeah, some of my stuff I brought like in

1939
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 9: case someone I knew needed and some stuff I just

1940
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,879
Speaker 9: like brought to give away. Yeah, and my like stash

1941
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 9: of batteries was just like came with me in case

1942
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 9: anyone needed you know.

1943
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get wind up weather radios. I have one. Yeah, no, totally.

1944
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 9: That's actually I dislike most all in one gadgets for survival,

1945
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 9: but the wind up radio with the little shitty solar

1946
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 9: panel is one of the ones that I'm like, no,

1947
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 9: that's they're thirty to fifty bucks and they work. Yeah,

1948
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 9: and you don't need much power to listen to a radio,

1949
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 9: you know.

1950
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 3: No, they are a whole potst of world where wind

1951
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 3: up weather radios or how people get their information.

1952
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, it makes sense for travel. Most people still got

1953
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 9: around by vehicle, just with limited gas, though I saw

1954
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 9: more than the usual number of people walking or biking,

1955
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 9: pulling trailers or wagons. As a general rule, consider floodwaters

1956
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 9: to be impassable and do not attempt to drive through them. Interestingly,

1957
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 9: electric cars do better in floods than gas engines because

1958
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 9: if water gets into the air intake of a gas engine,

1959
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 9: the engine will stall. And usually it's people with giant

1960
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 9: pickup trucks who overestimate the capabilities of their vehicles.

1961
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 3: Who go out and do this. Yeah.

1962
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 9: When I got my truck and I was like, I'm

1963
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 9: a prepper, I'm going to get those like bullbars or

1964
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 9: the front cage things or whatever.

1965
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 3: Grown. Yeah, and I looked into it and I read

1966
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 3: about it, and they just murder people. Yeah, as someone

1967
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 3: who rides a bicycle a lot, those things do.

1968
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 9: Not like it's already bad that pickup trucks are so gigantic,

1969
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 9: but the if you add one of those things to

1970
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 9: the front of your car, front of your truck, you're

1971
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 9: just gonna and you have to think about it. Are

1972
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 9: you more likely to need to push broken down cars

1973
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 9: during the end of the world or accidentally hit a

1974
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 9: pedestrian with your vehicle that is taller than a child. Yeah,

1975
01:33:56,040 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 9: and I would guess for most people, including me, I

1976
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 9: am more likely to accidentally hit a pedestrian. So I

1977
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 9: ran that through my cost benefit analysis, and I do

1978
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 9: not have one of those things on my truck. I

1979
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 9: could imagine a world is like low, low low on

1980
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 9: my list of priorities, Like one day I'm going to

1981
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 9: get one and I'm going to keep it in my garage,

1982
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 9: and then it's like, yeah, and the world has ended,

1983
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 9: and I'm gonna put it on my truck in case

1984
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 9: I need to push cars out of the way.

1985
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1986
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 9: With the three hundred and fifty miles, I can drive

1987
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 9: my truck before it's useless.

1988
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1989
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, using all that gas stooled Yeah, yeah, exactly. That

1990
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 9: totally lasts a long time anyway. One of the problems

1991
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 9: electric vehicles with flooding that I think we're starting to see.

1992
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 9: I think these videos were from Ashville, but I'm not certain,

1993
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 9: is that electric vehicles if they are underwater for long enough,

1994
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 9: especially with salt water. This is less of a North

1995
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 9: Carolina and more of a coastal thing. Yeah, the salt

1996
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 9: water can cause fires if it hits the battery long enough.

1997
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 9: Don't drive through flood water, and floods in the mountains

1998
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 9: are particularly fast moving as compared to like coastal area

1999
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 9: floods where the water might be still and staying around.

2000
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. On the other hand, moving floodwater goes away faster

2001
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 3: and on its own.

2002
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2003
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 3: So yeah, with gravity, don't cycle through it. I've cycled

2004
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 3: through a couple of rivers once in Iceland. It just

2005
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 3: picked up the bike from underneath me, and it like

2006
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 3: not an optimal situation actually, to be swimming down a

2007
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 3: river chasing after your bicycle in Iceland. Yeah, I don't

2008
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 3: want to do that. Yeah. Avoid famously warm place Iceland. Yeah. Hm,

2009
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 3: only one hundred kilometers from the nearest place I could

2010
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 3: re warm myself. It's a great day.

2011
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 9: Roads were washed away in many places, while many many

2012
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 9: more were blocked by downtrees. Improper chainsaw use is one

2013
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 9: of the leading causes of injuries and disasters.

2014
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 3: Oh I bet.

2015
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 9: Proper use of chainsaws has been absolutely essential. Although there

2016
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 9: were reports of people who self rescued with hand saws. Yeah,

2017
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 9: and you know, yeah, you got time and people and

2018
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 9: you got a handsaw, and there's a tree in your way,

2019
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 9: you can get through it.

2020
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't be like the guy maybe Margaret's so there's

2021
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 3: some like homesteader on. Oh god, that's dot com who

2022
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 3: I've started war with. Yeah, because he's he's lying, He's

2023
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 3: not like I'm sorry this guy is. Don't braid their hair.

2024
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 3: Both of them have long hair and they don't braid it.

2025
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 3: I do not believe that they work outside regularly if

2026
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 3: they don't braid their hair. Yeah, your hair will get

2027
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 3: caught and shit and it'll just tangle. It is not

2028
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 3: worth it. The reason rural people with long hair wear

2029
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 3: their hair and braids, Yeah, it's it keeps it out

2030
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 3: the way.

2031
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2032
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that if you have a saw,

2033
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,599
Speaker 3: keep it, you know, keep it in a reasonable condition.

2034
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 3: The old sword has been kicking around your shed and

2035
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 3: it's rusty and blunt. Yeah, likewise the old chainsaw, So

2036
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 3: don't be dragging that out. Yeah, you haven't used it

2037
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:38,719
Speaker 3: for a while.

2038
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 9: That said one of the things I was expecting but

2039
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 9: wasn't true, because I brought down a generator that I

2040
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 9: didn't know if worked right, And I was like, what

2041
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 9: a jerk move, because if I was going down to

2042
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 9: like there's like ten people and I'm like, don't worry,

2043
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 9: I'm here to rescue you.

2044
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 3: I've got a generator. I don't know if works. That's

2045
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 3: not so great.

2046
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, right, there's one hundred thousand people who live in Asheville.

2047
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 9: There was the Asheville Tool Library and the Western North

2048
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 9: Carolina Pair Cafe hold up outside the Anarchist Bookstore fixing

2049
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 9: generators and chainsaws. Oh listen, yeah, hero shit, and it

2050
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 9: was great.

2051
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 3: Of all the various generators people brought, I was like,

2052
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 3: I don't know if this one works, and they added

2053
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 3: gas and it worked, and so I was like I

2054
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 3: brought the best shitty generator, you know. Yeah, but no,

2055
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 3: Sometimes things can be handy, and knowing how to fix

2056
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 3: things is always useful.

2057
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 9: And there are people around with more specialized skills. You

2058
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 9: don't have to learn to do everything. For example, chainsawing

2059
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:34,440
Speaker 9: is a specialized skill. I own a bunch of devices

2060
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 9: that are scary and dangerous, and some of them are guns,

2061
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 9: and one of them is a table saw, and the

2062
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 9: chainsaw is the most likely to hurt me. Yeah, for sure,

2063
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 9: and I've been to a chainsaw class. I'm very glad.

2064
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 9: Cutting a downed tree is an entirely different skill than

2065
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 9: cutting a live tree or a standing tree because of

2066
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 9: the way that tension works. And I cannot teach you

2067
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 9: this over Well, you might already know it, but don't

2068
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 9: listen to a podcast. Learn how to go to a class.

2069
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, pay someone to teach you and get the right

2070
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 3: protective stuff like, yeah, absolutely proper detective trousers and things. Yeah.

2071
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 9: Also, never cut up trees woven with power lines without

2072
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 9: ascertaining that the power line is dead. As for how

2073
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 9: to ascertain it, I asked someone who was on a

2074
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 9: chainsaw crew how to ascertain it, and he didn't know.

2075
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 9: So they just avoid those ones. Yeah, I mean mains

2076
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 9: power is not a joke.

2077
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2078
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 9: People have been reaching the more isolated communities out there

2079
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 9: by hiking, by ATV, by dirt bike, by helicopter, and

2080
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 9: most famously, by a string of pack mules. There are

2081
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 9: a lot of ways that people have been getting help

2082
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 9: to people. This doesn't mean you need to go out

2083
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 9: and buy a helicopter, Like, just get a mule. You

2084
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 9: don't even need to google how much a helicopter is, Margaret,

2085
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 9: I wonder how much a helicopter is anyway. And then

2086
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 9: there was one tool and tool set that a lot

2087
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 9: of my friends have that as of yet, has had

2088
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 9: more or less no use in responding to this crisis,

2089
01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 9: and that is guns.

2090
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 3: I asked. I figured it might be.

2091
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 9: This is interesting for a few reasons. One is that

2092
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 9: North Carolina is a pretty gun friendly state. It's also

2093
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 9: a pretty culture war ass state.

2094
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2095
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 9: Where I live in West Virginia, people don't I mean, yeah,

2096
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 9: you see the punisher skull every now and then or whatever,

2097
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 9: but like overall, people are like, I don't know, We're

2098
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 9: all just trying to live, you know. Yeah, in western

2099
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 9: North Carolina you have intense tensions between strong pockets of

2100
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 9: blue and red right and a lot of people on

2101
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 9: both sides that are armed. I have a North Carolina

2102
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 9: concealed carry permit myself. I'm not anti gun, but it

2103
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 9: was not what was wanted or needed. Yeah, if food

2104
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 9: stays scarce long enough down there, I would expect some

2105
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 9: people might be doing some out of season survival hunting.

2106
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 9: But I haven't even heard rumors of that yet. Yeah,

2107
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 9: there have been occasional rumors of robberies and the occasional

2108
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 9: rumors of Nazi activity in the areas, and I believe

2109
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 9: both have happened, Yeah, but there's been nothing widespread, and

2110
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 9: so far there hasn't even been a need for community

2111
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:04,759
Speaker 9: defense organizations. By and large, the culture war is on pause,

2112
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:09,799
Speaker 9: and I'm grateful. I like getting along with people.

2113
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's much more fun they' shooting at them. Yeah. Yeah.

2114
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 9: Like talk about shared interests like guns, Yeah.

2115
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had some positive discussions of people who don't pose. Yeah,

2116
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 3: probably aligned with me because we both enjoy all guns.

2117
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 9: And this is not to say the firearms are not

2118
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 9: a useful skill set for different threat models within the apocalypse,

2119
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 9: but it hasn't proved particularly useful so far in this

2120
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 9: particular crisis. And I think overall, I would put this

2121
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 9: at an overrated skill and an overrated tool.

2122
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and definitely an overage way to spend a shit

2123
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 3: ton of money. Oh my god. Yeah. No.

2124
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 9: One magazine of bullets is a movie that you can

2125
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 9: go see at the theater. Yeah, yeah, like a dinner.

2126
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 9: And I'm saying this, yeah, I'm looking.

2127
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 3: At like what that one, two, three, four, like maybe

2128
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 3: twelve ammunition? Canful of ammunition mainly I buy the I

2129
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 3: like to go shoot clay pigeons and the targets and stuff,

2130
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 3: and I buy and it is cheap. But also, if

2131
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 3: you have a gun, you should know how to use

2132
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 3: it otherwise you're dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, like, don't don't be

2133
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:17,600
Speaker 3: buying a gun and then loading it and storing it

2134
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,480
Speaker 3: and not knowing how to use it than your liability. Yeah,

2135
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 3: But like I also have a bunch of lentils, and like,

2136
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 3: just in terms of preparedness, by the lentils first.

2137
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 9: Totally more useful, way more useful in the circumstance. And

2138
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 9: this circumstance is more likely the most and one thing

2139
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 9: almost everyone I talked to was happy about. No one

2140
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 9: was sad about just this came up. Everyone was happy

2141
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 9: that they had extra to share. A random woman who

2142
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 9: showed up to get water at the Anarchist bookstore saw

2143
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 9: what was happening and turned and told me, like, oh,

2144
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 9: I have a chainsaw. I don't really you should I

2145
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 9: bring it here? And the answer is yes, And everyone

2146
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 9: is happy when we give things to each other. That's

2147
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 9: the That's the these of the other podcast episode I

2148
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 9: did this week, is that when you give stuff to someone.

2149
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 3: It's good for both of you. You just literally are

2150
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 3: both happier, Yeah, without a doubt. And like, I remember

2151
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 3: when my house flood. I think I was seventeen eighteen

2152
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 3: something like that. My little sister and I were at home,

2153
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 3: and I remember at first being like, oh no, back

2154
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 3: in the daily you know, we had a TV that

2155
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 3: was relatively flat. It's probably six inches thick still, you know,

2156
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 3: but we thought it was shit, and then being like,

2157
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,799
Speaker 3: oh no, this TV that was so cool, it's being destroyed.

2158
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,600
Speaker 3: H And then immediately being like, my neighbors were in

2159
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:34,640
Speaker 3: their eighties and fucked the TV. Yeah, Like, and we

2160
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 3: got our neighbors and there was one house in our

2161
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 3: village that was on the hill. Everyone in our village

2162
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 3: went to the house on the hill. We had a

2163
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 3: great time. Yeah, Like we hung out and everyone was

2164
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 3: so much happier not having to go through that shit alone. Yeah,

2165
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 3: and they would have been sitting in the house watching

2166
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,640
Speaker 3: all their stuff wash you we. Yeah, we stayed there

2167
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 3: a couple of days and then we went home and

2168
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Speaker 3: it was fine. Well that's what I got.

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Speaker 9: I thought it was going to be thirty minutes and

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01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:59,679
Speaker 9: then I forgot I was going to talk about gear

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01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 9: with my friend James, where we both separately off Mike

2172
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 9: often do this for hours of the time. Yeah, and

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01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 9: so go out and get yourself three days to three

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01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 9: weeks worth of food and water. Slowly build it up.

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01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 9: Go out and talk to your neighbors, figure who they are,

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01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 9: and uh, is it gonna be okay?

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Speaker 3: The main reason's gonna be okay? Is we all die

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01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 3: eventually anyway, But like that's gonna be okay. Yeah, We're

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01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 3: gonna take care of each other as best we can. Yeah,

2180
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 3: that's what we do. Anything you want to plug, I

2181
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 3: guess this is your podcast. Yeah, I mean participant in

2182
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 3: mutual aid anyway, because then you have the structures to

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Speaker 3: help yourself and know other people when you need them. Yes,

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01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 3: Like if things went shit here tomorrow, I could communicate

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01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,639
Speaker 3: with my border friends because we use ham radios, and

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01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 3: we could help one another because we already engage in

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01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:50,720
Speaker 3: the helping of people, and we organize horizontally because it

2188
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 3: is better and that way, it doesn't matter if the

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01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 3: person who is quote unquote in charge isn't here, because

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01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 3: no one's in charge.

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Speaker 9: Yep, totally, So do anarchism if you want to support

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01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 9: Asheville and the relief efforts there and the surrounding areas. Financially,

2193
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 9: there's a million different small organizations that could absolutely ease

2194
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 9: your help. But the two that I think we've been

2195
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 9: shouting out a lot on the show, and I can

2196
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 9: personally vouch for it very strongly is Appalachian Medical Solidarity

2197
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 9: and Mutual Aid Disaster Relief. And both of those are

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01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 9: volunteer organizations. Every all the little money, all the money

2199
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 9: you send is going to buy people's stuff. And if

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01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 9: you are within a day's drive of western North Carolina,

2201
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 9: there might be a hub collecting things. Don't bring them

2202
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 9: your old sweaters, bring them stuff that people want.

2203
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 3: You could ask them and they'll tell you, yeah, And

2204
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 3: that's what I got. That's what I got to plug.

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01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 3: I will talk to you all some other times on

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01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 3: It could happen he.

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01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 4: Welcome to It could happen to hear a podcast about

2208
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 4: ice training guest squads. I guess I'm your host via Wong.

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01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 4: I guess I don't know if formerly or better is

2210
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 4: the correct word, but sometimes also not. As the ice

2211
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,639
Speaker 4: was be destroyed, girl, So I'm mad about this one

2212
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 4: with me? Is someone else's extremely bad about the existence

2213
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 4: of ICE, which is James Yep.

2214
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 3: I'm here, I'm mad as a waste. I guess just

2215
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 3: another Monday. Yeah, this shit sucks, This does suck. Yeah,

2216
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 3: you know, I had this realization.

2217
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,599
Speaker 4: I get this on Twitter a lot, where I realized

2218
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 4: that there are people who don't know what ICE is

2219
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 4: because they're like, they're not from the US, or they're like, yeah,

2220
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 4: so ICE is immigrations and customs enforcements. The shortest description

2221
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 4: of what they are is that they are one of

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01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:54,680
Speaker 4: the like four American border gestapos.

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01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:59,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. The number of agencies under DHS is fucking baffling,

2224
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 3: constantly rebranding every time they have a scandal or they

2225
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 3: kill too many people. That yeah, ICE is kind of

2226
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,200
Speaker 3: their flagship evil program.

2227
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they like they do raids on fucking houses,

2228
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:15,680
Speaker 4: they do raised on businesses.

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01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 3: They suck.

2230
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 4: Like if you vaguely remember, there was a whole bunch

2231
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 4: of protests in like twenty eighteen over this stuff, and

2232
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:23,799
Speaker 4: that was mostly anti ICE stuff.

2233
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, if someone's getting deported, it's ICE for the most

2234
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 3: part doing it. Like, Yeah, they also run detention centers

2235
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 3: where people go, you know, they work with Jeff Bezos

2236
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 3: on deporting people.

2237
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 4: Oh my fucking god. Okay, I just remembered a story

2238
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 4: I had. I had a flashback to standing in a protest,

2239
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 4: a very very large protest in twenty eighteen. This is

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Speaker 4: one of like the big pro immigrant rallies. Yeah, and

2241
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:50,600
Speaker 4: in this fucking protest, I saw a thing for this

2242
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 4: group called Heartland Alliance. Now PROBA people who probably don't

2243
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 4: outside of Chicago probably don't know what this is. The

2244
01:46:56,360 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 4: Heartland Alliance runs like fucking child prison facilities, like for

2245
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:04,759
Speaker 4: ICE school, and they were at this protest against ICE.

2246
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 4: Fucking it was the worst. That shit was terrible. You know,

2247
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 4: this whole thing is all extremely bad. But what we've

2248
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 4: been learning more details about recently is this program called

2249
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:23,560
Speaker 4: Citizens Academies, which is run by ICE's Homeland Security Investigations.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think HSI was under ICE. I thought HSI

2251
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,719
Speaker 3: was a different branch of dhs I might be wrong,

2252
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 3: but they used to be under ICE as far as

2253
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:35,679
Speaker 3: I know, and then they became HSI.

2254
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 4: Okay, I might be wrong about that, because the stuff

2255
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:40,679
Speaker 4: that I was reading was saying that they are still

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01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 4: part of ICE, but they might not be. It's also

2257
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,560
Speaker 4: possible that it's literally has gone back and forward multiple times.

2258
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is merecrareck. Things fucking suck.

2259
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,679
Speaker 4: But HSI also does, like a lot of the times,

2260
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 4: there's some of the people who like do like physically

2261
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 4: the people on the ground doing a raid will be HSI, like.

2262
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 3: Fucking stormtroopers or whatever. Yeah, they do arrests. Yeah, often

2263
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:06,639
Speaker 3: they appear in like these Joint counter Terrorism Task task forces,

2264
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 3: like when they especially when they're doing stuff with like

2265
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 3: drugs and that kind of thing.

2266
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the civilian academies are I think really the only

2267
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 4: way you could describe them, even though this is not

2268
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 4: how it's being described really is that they're treating random

2269
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 4: people to like become desk what.

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01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what's interesting is like the protest that you

2271
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 3: talked about seem to have been the sort of reason

2272
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 3: that they started this program, right, Yeah.

2273
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 4: We need to rewind this a little bit because they

2274
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 4: started in the US as a reaction to those protests,

2275
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 4: like specifically as like a pr thing. But the original

2276
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 4: version of these programs started in Puerto Rico under Obama.

2277
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 3: Look, we don't give Obama or anything like enough shit, right,

2278
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 3: Like fucking Obama just like in terms of killing people,

2279
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 3: in terms of deporting people, fucked up. Human being.

2280
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was the deporter in chief and like, yeah,

2281
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 4: part of part of what's sort of brutal about the

2282
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 4: mom administration is like a lot of his support had

2283
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 4: been from like the huge undocumented that could have like

2284
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 4: peaked in like two thousand and six, and he comes

2285
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 4: in on this and they just fucking deports everyone.

2286
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, as Democrats too every time. Yeah, we're seeing it

2287
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 3: again with Biden.

2288
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 4: Right, It's like it's the same sort of process and

2289
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 4: and under under Obama, these these programs start. There's specifically

2290
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 4: as you're talking about, there's specifically supposed to be these

2291
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 4: like training programs are supposed to be for community out Well, okay,

2292
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 4: so this is and this is one of these things.

2293
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 4: Was like, this is what they say that it's for.

2294
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 4: And given what they're doing, I don't know how much

2295
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 4: I believe them what they're what they say that it's for.

2296
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:43,720
Speaker 4: Is it's because there's been all of these anti ice things,

2297
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 4: Like I mean, there's lots of people who now are

2298
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:50,280
Speaker 4: like don't say shit about ice, who like like AOC

2299
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 4: hasn't fucking said anything about abolishing ICE in like half

2300
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 4: a decade, right, and she ran on that. Yeah, because

2301
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:59,639
Speaker 4: of how powerful those social movements were. I mean, there's

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01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 4: like Sean mcguey, whatever the fuck guy whose whole thing

2303
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 4: was abolish ice and then he became a Democratic staffer

2304
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:07,639
Speaker 4: and now it never talks about it again, and he's

2305
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 4: like my absolute wordal nemesis, like I will face at

2306
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:15,599
Speaker 4: the end of days. Yeah, I will destroy hiss fucking

2307
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 4: traders ass and yeah, many, many, many such cases. But yeah,

2308
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 4: like and I think probably peak like anti ice sentiment

2309
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 4: was in the Trump era, right when people, Yeah, people

2310
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 4: started to look at immigration as the way that like

2311
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 4: people have immigrant communities and diasporas, see it, right, which

2312
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 4: is this thing that tears families apart, that destroys communities,

2313
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 4: that rich children from their parents, and people obviously recognized

2314
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 4: it was bad. And then Biden got in and the

2315
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 4: Democrats had to do this like kind of cover your

2316
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 4: eyes and turn away thing where they continue to do

2317
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:51,600
Speaker 4: the same shit. Kids and cages are good now, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2318
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 4: in cages great Democratic kids and cage is incredible.

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01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 3: What if no cage is what do we just leave

2320
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 3: them out in the fucking mountains and James's friend have

2321
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 3: to feed them beans or wind?

2322
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the thing is in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.

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01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:07,560
Speaker 4: It's not entirely clear that the Democrats are going to

2324
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:10,759
Speaker 4: swing that way. No, And so you get these programs

2325
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 4: and what's interesting about them, and so a lot of

2326
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 4: this is coming from that. There's a very very good

2327
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:19,880
Speaker 4: piece by Barrizio Guerrero indocumented, who got a bunch of

2328
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 4: Foya documents about this program and what they were actually doing. Yeah,

2329
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 4: and one of the things that he discovers about this

2330
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 4: is that it's like a lot of rich guys. Like

2331
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 4: it's some of them are like really rich. It's also

2332
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 4: it's a lot of like bank employees.

2333
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a funny almost, I guess kind of

2334
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:40,679
Speaker 3: it got through that little social circle or whatever.

2335
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like there's this sort of feed in program

2336
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 4: that sends people into this. And I actually I realized

2337
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:52,799
Speaker 4: I had vaguely known about these but didn't quite understand

2338
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 4: how bad it was because he didn't have a bunch

2339
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 4: of the documents we have now. But this was a

2340
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:00,520
Speaker 4: big thing in Chicago in twenty twenty one, where there

2341
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 4: was proposed to open one of these things. It's like

2342
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:06,200
Speaker 4: these like training centers for these like fucking people. Oh yeah,

2343
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 4: and you know twenty twenty one was still in Chicago.

2344
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 4: There was still like like there's some protest stuff going on,

2345
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 4: because I mean there's you know, like twenty twenty hadn't

2346
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:18,320
Speaker 4: quite faded yet. And there was also like our cops

2347
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 4: We've talked about this a couple times on the show,

2348
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,719
Speaker 4: but like shot a fucking fourteen year old, like yeah,

2349
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:26,800
Speaker 4: it's fucking bmurdered him cold blood. And the protests were

2350
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 4: bad enough that like even lower Lightfoot was like like

2351
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 4: fuck this, like this is this Trump ice stuff.

2352
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 3: We can't let them do it.

2353
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 4: This was back with the when like these people like

2354
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:38,840
Speaker 4: the Democrats were started pretending that they didn't like all

2355
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 4: of these like federal deportation machine things. But the things

2356
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 4: that we have now are we have the actual This

2357
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 4: is like I think with the public most valuable part

2358
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:50,800
Speaker 4: of this whole thing is that we actually have a

2359
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 4: bunch of the documents now of what they were showing people.

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01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love to see the fucking Foyer fight for this,

2361
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:04,599
Speaker 3: because I have foyed the Department of Homeland Security a

2362
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 3: lot and getting any like I have a fire out

2363
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 3: right now regarding the CBP one and the fact that

2364
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 3: it doesn't work on non Apple phones, and they very

2365
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 3: clearly know this, right, Like if I know it, they

2366
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 3: know it. And I would love to know if that

2367
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 3: was from the outset that they knew and they just

2368
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:23,920
Speaker 3: didn't give a fuck, Like I would like to see

2369
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:27,400
Speaker 3: those emails regarding it doesn't work on Samsung. I think

2370
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 3: I think they got it from a court order. Oh okay,

2371
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 3: so they went to court to get Yeah yeah, yeah,

2372
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 3: every like people, Freedom Information Act is great, it only

2373
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 3: works if you have a lawyer who's prepared to sue

2374
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 3: over it. Like that is the especially with DHS. You're

2375
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:46,240
Speaker 3: just not like, yeah, I've got stuff, so I found

2376
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:48,479
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. They'll just kick it down, kick can

2377
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 3: down the road, like yep, I'm not going to get it,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, kudos to them for doing it. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: so hard if you are a First Amendment lawyer. Hit

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Speaker 3: me up.

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Speaker 4: But okay, So the shit that's in this one of

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01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 4: these things. The first page of this is maybe the

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01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:07,760
Speaker 4: most deranged chart I have ever seen in anything, which

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01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:09,799
Speaker 4: is it is It is a picture of a naked

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01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 4: human body. Is the fronds and back of it, right,

2386
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:16,519
Speaker 4: And they've labeled all of the parts of the body

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Speaker 4: by and they've been. So we only have a black

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01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 4: and white version of this, but they've they've been they've

2389
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:24,960
Speaker 4: been labeled by how effective it is to hit someone

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01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:25,839
Speaker 4: there with the baton.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they're like green in the in the

2392
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 3: actual document, they're green, yellow, and red. I guess, uh.

2393
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 3: And then it says like reasoning for the red one,

2394
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 3: I'll just read it highest level of resultant trauma injury

2395
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 3: tends to range from serious to lung lasting rather than temporary,

2396
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 3: and may include unconsciousness, serious body injury, shock, or death.

2397
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 3: So I guess like it's saying like, don't hit them

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01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 3: in the in the in the red area. No, that's

2399
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 3: the thing. That's the thing. They're not saying that. They're

2400
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 3: just saying, these are your options.

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01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2402
01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 4: Is so part of this is supposed to be part

2403
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 4: of like a force escal thing. But the point of

2404
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 4: this is that it is actually like they're trying to

2405
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 4: explain force escalation. And the thing is that like, yeah,

2406
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 4: you actually can do this, but you can only do

2407
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 4: this if you're in like the highest level of force.

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01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 3: Escalation or whatever.

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01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:12,720
Speaker 4: Okay, and if any of you have ever been around

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01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 4: a cop, you know, but those people jump to the

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01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 4: highest level of force escalation at like, yeah, a fucking again,

2412
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 4: we have literally seen an acorn drop and it can't

2413
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 4: be able to do this, right, and so and so

2414
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:26,080
Speaker 4: what they're what they're teaching these people, And this is

2415
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 4: like I think, like Genny widely horrifying. It's like, yeah,

2416
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 4: they are teaching these people like the specific technical details

2417
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:34,839
Speaker 4: of how you like fucking maim someone with a baton.

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01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I meant to reading the force escalation this is.

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01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 3: And they actually did physical training right, like I think

2420
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 3: they did weapons training. I think they did a bunch

2421
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 3: of a bunch of simulation kind of exercises. And then

2422
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 3: if you if you scroll down, this is like a

2423
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:55,280
Speaker 3: PowerPoint for those listening at home. They gave an overview

2424
01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 3: of like use of force to include a bunch of

2425
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 3: Supreme Court cases. I think Supreme Court cases is certainly, yeah,

2426
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 3: Supreme Court cases about use of force. None of these

2427
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 3: apply to you as a civilian, and you know, like

2428
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 3: unless you're a sworn law enforcement officer, I guess I'm

2429
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:15,640
Speaker 3: not entirely sure like what the use case for civilian

2430
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 3: baton training is aside from like, well, I mean my guess,

2431
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 3: and this is the way I've been like sort of

2432
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 3: looking at this program is that this is the thing

2433
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 3: partially being designed for PR, but it's partially also being

2434
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 3: designed to create parabilitaries that if you're in a situation

2435
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 3: like twenty twenty but about the border, for example, you

2436
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 3: suddenly have all of these people that you could just

2437
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 3: fucking call up because like part of what's going on

2438
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:42,440
Speaker 3: with this too record you remember, like actually, I guess

2439
01:56:42,440 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 3: it is funnily enough, like we are we are the

2440
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 3: only two of the four hosts who didn't end up

2441
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 3: having to deal with fucking Bortak getting deployed in Portland

2442
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,880
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. But Bortak is border patrols like swat teams.

2443
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, basically, yeah, there are stated reason is like oh

2444
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 4: so this is this is how you unders and what

2445
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 4: it's like to like be one of these people, how

2446
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 4: hot it is to be a cop, and well, like

2447
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 4: I think the actual reason again is so that you

2448
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 4: could you're training a bunch of people who you can

2449
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 4: just sort of call up and be like, we need

2450
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 4: a bunch of people to come like fucking obliterate a

2451
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 4: bunch of like protesters or whatever, help them do mass deportations. Yeah,

2452
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 4: which is another thing because like part of what this

2453
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 4: is too, is they're teaching them to do like raids

2454
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:26,560
Speaker 4: on houses, right, and like how do how do like

2455
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 4: physically fucking deport people?

2456
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 3: So this is yeah, like like Trump era ICE, which

2457
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 3: were where there were open discussions of how many people

2458
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 3: can we deport, how much will it cost, how easy

2459
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 3: will it be?

2460
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like right now, like Trump is like his

2461
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 4: big one of his big things is mass deportations. But

2462
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 4: I think people don't realize that the only reason that

2463
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 4: this stuff didn't happen under Trump was that pushback to

2464
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 4: it was so enormous. Yeah, that like like there are

2465
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:54,120
Speaker 4: Democrats now who are screaming about the border who in

2466
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 4: like twenty eighteen were like sanctuary cities, ICE can't do

2467
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:00,600
Speaker 4: raids here and sometimes that which sure, sometimes that was yeah,

2468
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:04,040
Speaker 4: but like there was real systemic pushback to this, and

2469
01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:09,360
Speaker 4: I think like we're heading to a place where there

2470
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:13,440
Speaker 4: isn't a kind of reaction to this anymore, where this

2471
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 4: can get really really scary really quickly. And these are

2472
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:19,240
Speaker 4: the kinds of programs that you would need in order

2473
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:21,880
Speaker 4: to just do actual mass deportations. Is that like, yeah,

2474
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:23,920
Speaker 4: like ICE doesn't have enough people, Like they have a

2475
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 4: lot of people, but they don't have enough people to

2476
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 4: deport like several million people.

2477
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:28,880
Speaker 3: You need people like this.

2478
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the scale of this program is kind of small,

2479
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:34,200
Speaker 4: but this is something that can be scaled up right, Yeah.

2480
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:36,800
Speaker 5: To try and extremely large numbers of people, like fairly quickly.

2481
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what it reminds me of Maya products

2482
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:53,160
Speaker 3: and services and support this podcast does. Yeah, all right,

2483
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed this. Products and sev suits way back.

2484
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 5: Well, let's go do like the other thing they were

2485
01:58:57,800 --> 01:58:58,360
Speaker 5: fucking doing.

2486
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:00,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's more Jesus wept. So I want to

2487
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,440
Speaker 3: quote from the article. Yeah. Quote.

2488
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:05,280
Speaker 4: Documents also contain presentations on how to shoot a gun,

2489
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:08,040
Speaker 4: point at targets, and stand in position to fire. The

2490
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 4: shooting practices include military style of rifles. Likewise, A training

2491
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:15,160
Speaker 4: in Atlanta organized drills to shoot at human like manikers

2492
01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:19,000
Speaker 4: and fires M four assault rifles employed exclusively with the military.

2493
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 3: The training.

2494
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 4: Also included isis guidelines for use of force encompassing deadly force.

2495
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,880
Speaker 4: One presentation suggests yelling drop the gun as potential cover

2496
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 4: when employing lethal force against someone. So they're telling it

2497
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 4: and this is definitely supposed to be thinking like, oh

2498
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:37,919
Speaker 4: if you're in playing clothes, like you fucking yell police

2499
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 4: and yell drop your gun and then you shoot them

2500
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:42,920
Speaker 4: and this is how you get away with it. So

2501
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:46,400
Speaker 4: like they are straight up teaching people how to murder people,

2502
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:47,920
Speaker 4: like how to get away with murder.

2503
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:53,360
Speaker 3: That's what's happening here. Yeah, wild yeah, Like the government's

2504
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:56,800
Speaker 3: offered firearms trading for civilians, like that's kind of what

2505
01:59:57,120 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 3: the NRA wasn't a government initiative, but like, yeah, this

2506
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,800
Speaker 3: is not that. This is not like, No, I would

2507
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:05,320
Speaker 3: broadly be in favor of the government funding free gun

2508
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:08,000
Speaker 3: safety classes for people, because I've seen some shit with

2509
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:10,520
Speaker 3: you know, like that would be one of the useful things.

2510
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:11,760
Speaker 3: But this is not that.

2511
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,800
Speaker 4: No, And like and like the reason those specific classes

2512
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 4: like don't look like that anymore is because, and I've

2513
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:20,000
Speaker 4: talked about this in some of the episodes on them

2514
02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:22,280
Speaker 4: Okay assassination, it's like, well, yeah, when the government taught

2515
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:23,760
Speaker 4: a bunch of people how to use rifles, those people

2516
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 4: use those rifles to like fight the cops in the streets.

2517
02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,320
Speaker 4: Yeah right yeah, and now they're all this insane shit

2518
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:31,120
Speaker 4: that's like teaching people how to get away with murder

2519
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:33,480
Speaker 4: of their cop or like, I want to read a

2520
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:36,560
Speaker 4: PowerPoint slide from that from that thing, because it's it's

2521
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:39,080
Speaker 4: the most deranged thing I've ever seen.

2522
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:41,880
Speaker 3: Have you read the Graham versus Connor one, because it's

2523
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 3: one of the more powerful uses of passive voice I've

2524
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:47,080
Speaker 3: ever seen. Oh no, I haven't seen that yet. Let

2525
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 3: me read that while you look for yours. This one

2526
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:53,920
Speaker 3: is just incredible instance of cops speak. Graham Comma diabetic.

2527
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:57,280
Speaker 3: Comma asks friend to drive him to convenience store for juice.

2528
02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:01,080
Speaker 3: Good like cop sentences here, ran in and out of store.

2529
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:06,240
Speaker 3: Comma also observed the suspicious activity. What suspicious activity, dear listener,

2530
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:10,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. We left to imagine. Investigative stopped made

2531
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:15,640
Speaker 3: and Graham was handcuffed by whom doesn't say weird. Graham

2532
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:20,200
Speaker 3: received multiple injuries during the encounter with police, Like someone

2533
02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:22,560
Speaker 3: gave him the fucking injuries? Was it the cop?

2534
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:27,200
Speaker 4: It's just an incredible use of passive voice here throughout. Yeah,

2535
02:01:27,240 --> 02:01:30,000
Speaker 4: there's this great tweet that was like, the US has

2536
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:32,760
Speaker 4: a passive voice, in an active voice and a special

2537
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:34,040
Speaker 4: exonerative voice.

2538
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:35,560
Speaker 3: It's only used for.

2539
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:40,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Israel gets the exerative voice.

2540
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:42,960
Speaker 3: It rails in the Greater cop Nation.

2541
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:44,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2542
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:46,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like also one of the things that I

2543
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:48,560
Speaker 4: don't think people understand on the Streme Court is like

2544
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:51,800
Speaker 4: if you think that like Supreme Court rulings about abortions

2545
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,520
Speaker 4: are bad, like then they are right. But like, if

2546
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:56,480
Speaker 4: you think those things are bad, look up the Supreme

2547
02:01:56,520 --> 02:01:59,360
Speaker 4: Court cases about police use of force. You will get

2548
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 4: will get nine no decisions with like all of like

2549
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:06,760
Speaker 4: fucking like like fucking Thurgood Marshall will be signing on

2550
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,880
Speaker 4: to like a nine O thing where he says that

2551
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:10,400
Speaker 4: cops have the right to just like shoot you in

2552
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:11,880
Speaker 4: the back of the head because they couldn't shoot you

2553
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:14,480
Speaker 4: in the back of the head like that the police

2554
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:17,880
Speaker 4: couldn't function. It's it's fucking dranged, like the kind of

2555
02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:19,800
Speaker 4: shit they have. Okay, I want to read I want

2556
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:22,480
Speaker 4: to read the slide because it's it's amazing. It's just

2557
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 4: a giant letters. It says survival and then there's like

2558
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:29,160
Speaker 4: bullet points and the bullet points are never give up,

2559
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:32,840
Speaker 4: never concede defeat. I will not die this way. I

2560
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,600
Speaker 4: must go home to my family. How you trade is

2561
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:36,640
Speaker 4: how you will fight.

2562
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:42,240
Speaker 3: Just imagining that the you know, the person who I

2563
02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 3: go to at the bank when I need to take

2564
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:45,560
Speaker 3: out large amounts of cash to go on one of

2565
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:53,560
Speaker 3: my work trips, learning that I will not die this way.

2566
02:02:53,240 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 4: Okay, So that that that's basically what I have about

2567
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 4: this program, other than the bleak note that on on

2568
02:02:57,320 --> 02:02:58,840
Speaker 4: a pr level, these people one right.

2569
02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:01,000
Speaker 3: They didn't They didn't win because of anything they did.

2570
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 4: They won because the Democrats decided that they fucking hated immigrants,

2571
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:08,120
Speaker 4: and because views of integration are largely driven by by

2572
02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:10,880
Speaker 4: party politics, are driven by what your party tells you

2573
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 4: about immigrants, Like, yeah, all the support that had been

2574
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:19,680
Speaker 4: built in the late twenty tens has evaporated, and yeah, even.

2575
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:22,520
Speaker 3: Like I did a thing for my Patreon yesterday then

2576
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 3: made me think of this, Like I was trying to

2577
02:03:25,240 --> 02:03:27,680
Speaker 3: just do a sort of listing of Joe Biden's immigration

2578
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:30,360
Speaker 3: policies right from twenty twenty one to present, and like

2579
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:34,000
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, I was selling stories

2580
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:38,480
Speaker 3: to NBC, to Slate, to the nation right about Haitian migration,

2581
02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:43,600
Speaker 3: about Title forty two, about remain in Mexico, about especial

2582
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 3: immigrant visas for Afghans, and after twenty twenty two, you

2583
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:49,080
Speaker 3: don't even get a response to your email. You know,

2584
02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:51,520
Speaker 3: the same shit keeps having. Twenty twenty three is the

2585
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:53,280
Speaker 3: end of title forty two. Right, So when we see

2586
02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:56,839
Speaker 3: the beginning of out door detention, arguably the most heinous

2587
02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:59,280
Speaker 3: shit that the Biden administration has done, and it's sounds

2588
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:03,000
Speaker 3: some pretty heanish it. I mean, genocide is worse, evidently,

2589
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:05,720
Speaker 3: but on the on the border, this is the worst. Yeah,

2590
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:09,880
Speaker 3: some of its worst domestic policy. And you just can't

2591
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:12,680
Speaker 3: tell stories. Literally, every time I post about this on Twitter,

2592
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:14,160
Speaker 3: people will be like, what the fuck? Why didn't I

2593
02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:17,280
Speaker 3: read about this? Because an editor made a choice that

2594
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:20,680
Speaker 3: they didn't matter, that the people out there in the

2595
02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:22,360
Speaker 3: cold and the wind at the rain didn't matter, and

2596
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:25,800
Speaker 3: that they don't have rights because AOC or Joe Biden

2597
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:27,840
Speaker 3: Orkamala Harris decided that that was how it was going

2598
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 3: to be, And apparently every corporate media outlet just kind

2599
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:34,000
Speaker 3: of stepped in line and went, yeah, fucking we don't

2600
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,400
Speaker 3: care anymore. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

2601
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:39,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've achieved their stated aim and they're not moving

2602
02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:51,120
Speaker 4: on to their unstated aim, which is mass deportations. All right,

2603
02:04:51,240 --> 02:04:53,600
Speaker 4: we're back everything I know about the program that you

2604
02:04:53,600 --> 02:04:55,560
Speaker 4: were about to talk about comes from you, and that

2605
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:57,440
Speaker 4: is oh.

2606
02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 3: Boy, it's not good. All right. So I'm going to

2607
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:05,200
Speaker 3: read you a small story here, and then we're going

2608
02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:06,960
Speaker 3: to talk about whether or not it's a good idea

2609
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:09,960
Speaker 3: for the Border Patrol to have programs for children, Okay,

2610
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:13,520
Speaker 3: And then I gave a content warning for sexual assault

2611
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:16,480
Speaker 3: of children. I'm just in kiitch. You don't want to

2612
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:19,560
Speaker 3: listen to this. In August of this year, Aaron Mitchell,

2613
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:22,919
Speaker 3: a former CBP agent, was found guilty of a federal

2614
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:27,280
Speaker 3: civil rights violation and also kidnapping. On April the fifth,

2615
02:05:27,360 --> 02:05:30,520
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, in Douglas, Arizona, Mitchell found a fifteen

2616
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:32,840
Speaker 3: year old girl waiting for school to begin, and for

2617
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:34,560
Speaker 3: this next part, I'm just going to read directly from

2618
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,680
Speaker 3: the Department of Justice presser. He introduced himself as the

2619
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:41,480
Speaker 3: law enforcement officer and asked for her papers. Next, after

2620
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:44,680
Speaker 3: flashing his police badge and credentials, Mitchell ordered the child

2621
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:46,840
Speaker 3: into his car and explained that he was taking her

2622
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 3: to the police station. Instead, Mitchell drove the car miles

2623
02:05:51,120 --> 02:05:53,720
Speaker 3: away from her school, pulled over, and restrained her hands

2624
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 3: and feet with two pairs of handcuffs. The victim testified

2625
02:05:57,120 --> 02:05:59,760
Speaker 3: that after being handcuffs, the defendant told her to do

2626
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:02,000
Speaker 3: every I think he said because he didn't want to

2627
02:06:02,040 --> 02:06:04,440
Speaker 3: have to hurt her. I'm not going to describe the

2628
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:07,520
Speaker 3: next by in detail. He repeatedly sexually assaulted this young

2629
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:12,600
Speaker 3: women fucking christ in his apartment, then returned her to

2630
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:15,879
Speaker 3: the middle school where he had abducted her, and reminded

2631
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:20,080
Speaker 3: her not to tell anyone. Fortunately, she immediately reported the

2632
02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:23,800
Speaker 3: abduction to her friends, family members, and multiple law enforcement agencies.

2633
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:28,040
Speaker 3: During an interview with the police, a defendant exclaim exclaimed

2634
02:06:28,040 --> 02:06:30,040
Speaker 3: that the victim had better hope I don't get out

2635
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:32,800
Speaker 3: of here, which is an insane thing to say when

2636
02:06:32,840 --> 02:06:36,920
Speaker 3: you're being interviewed by the police. Yeah. He also googled

2637
02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:40,880
Speaker 3: several times for how long does it take to smug someone?

2638
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:43,840
Speaker 3: And he googled a lot about sexual assault, how to

2639
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:46,280
Speaker 3: stop someone from screaming. It's some of the darkest shit

2640
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:49,680
Speaker 3: fuck you're ever going to read. Yeah, oh my god.

2641
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 3: This is one of the relatively few instances of a

2642
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:58,000
Speaker 3: Border Patrol agent actually being convicted of sexual assault. Sexual

2643
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:00,520
Speaker 3: assault is a massive fucking problem in the Border Patrol,

2644
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:03,040
Speaker 3: and the fact that it's such a big problem and

2645
02:07:03,080 --> 02:07:05,720
Speaker 3: people get away with it is why we get shit

2646
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:08,920
Speaker 3: that is horrific, Like the incident that I've just related

2647
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:12,480
Speaker 3: to you right in twenty nineteen. I don't know if

2648
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:14,280
Speaker 3: you remember this, but there was a pro publicer thing

2649
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:18,160
Speaker 3: about this Facebook group which had nine five hundred agents

2650
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:21,320
Speaker 3: in it. The Facebook group they proted videos of migrant desks,

2651
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:24,680
Speaker 3: their children, and rape fantasies, as well as doctored images,

2652
02:07:24,760 --> 02:07:29,240
Speaker 3: including ghost images of AFC. At the time Karla provoked,

2653
02:07:29,320 --> 02:07:33,120
Speaker 3: the Border Patrol chief condemned the group as inappropriate. Shortly thereafter,

2654
02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:34,760
Speaker 3: the intercept reveal that she had been a member of

2655
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:40,560
Speaker 3: it for years. Yep, just classics, dove right. Border Patrol

2656
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:44,560
Speaker 3: has consistently failed to hold its offices to account for rape.

2657
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:46,920
Speaker 3: Like if you want to read more about this, Jen Bud,

2658
02:07:47,120 --> 02:07:49,920
Speaker 3: She's been on the show before, is the person to

2659
02:07:49,960 --> 02:07:52,240
Speaker 3: go to about this. I'm also going to include in

2660
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:55,560
Speaker 3: the show notes links to a story about a Border

2661
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:58,480
Speaker 3: Ptrol agent who was sexually assaulted at the academy, which

2662
02:07:58,520 --> 02:08:00,800
Speaker 3: I know is a thing that is not unique to her.

2663
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:03,440
Speaker 3: This is this is a problem. Border Patrol is ninety

2664
02:08:03,480 --> 02:08:07,080
Speaker 3: five percent male at this point. They call the women

2665
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:11,800
Speaker 3: the Fierce five percent. But it's like it's probably the

2666
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 3: most like gender biased of the federal agencies, Like Border

2667
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:18,600
Speaker 3: patrol agents by and large, like do not do well

2668
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:21,480
Speaker 3: around women. This is something I've observed, this is something

2669
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:26,240
Speaker 3: other volunteers have observed, Like it's such a like masculine agency,

2670
02:08:26,280 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 3: I guess, and they just don't encounter women in a

2671
02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:31,880
Speaker 3: professional capacity very often. So I think with this in mind,

2672
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:34,720
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the Border Patrol Explorers, Right.

2673
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:38,560
Speaker 3: It's a youth program that teaches kids the skills of

2674
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:43,080
Speaker 3: a patrol agent from as young as forty fucking crust. Yeah,

2675
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:47,360
Speaker 3: what's really weird. There's been very little coverage. The two

2676
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:49,880
Speaker 3: places I would send people these will be in the notes,

2677
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:52,120
Speaker 3: would be Morley Music write a really good piece in

2678
02:08:52,120 --> 02:08:56,040
Speaker 3: the Nation, and Todd Miller's book Border Patrol Nation, which

2679
02:08:56,200 --> 02:08:58,560
Speaker 3: is a book that everyone should read. I think really

2680
02:08:58,680 --> 02:09:01,640
Speaker 3: like details the beginning of how Border patrol became what

2681
02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:04,000
Speaker 3: it is today. Those are really two of the very

2682
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:06,720
Speaker 3: few places you'd read about it. The training that they

2683
02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:11,480
Speaker 3: do is insane. They'll learn firearms drills, they learn to

2684
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:15,400
Speaker 3: do checkpoints, they learned to make arrests. I'm going to

2685
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:19,120
Speaker 3: read from an interview from Monie Music's piece, Fabian explained

2686
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:22,800
Speaker 3: why his posts would practice shooting sometimes and then this

2687
02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:26,920
Speaker 3: is like parentheses. Undocumented migrants are not compliant when we

2688
02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:29,280
Speaker 3: find them. He said, they paid all this money to

2689
02:09:29,320 --> 02:09:31,960
Speaker 3: get here to start another life. They're just not going

2690
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:34,760
Speaker 3: to give up when they see us. Some would fight back,

2691
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:37,480
Speaker 3: some would be compliant. Maybe they tried to kill you

2692
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:40,040
Speaker 3: or threaten you. Sometimes they pick up an element a

2693
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:42,400
Speaker 3: rock lying around anything, and that could be used to

2694
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:45,240
Speaker 3: kill you. This is not the stuff that fourteen year

2695
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 3: olds should be reckoning with, right. Yeah.

2696
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:50,920
Speaker 4: This is also like I know people have done the

2697
02:09:51,240 --> 02:09:54,000
Speaker 4: like connect the border to Palestine things so much that

2698
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 4: it's like hackneyed, but like that is straight up that

2699
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:01,080
Speaker 4: could be lifted from a press release, like from the

2700
02:10:01,120 --> 02:10:04,240
Speaker 4: idea Yeah, yeah, about why they shot someone. Yeah, and

2701
02:10:04,280 --> 02:10:06,320
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, I mean, you shouldn't be teaching anyone this.

2702
02:10:06,440 --> 02:10:09,600
Speaker 4: You especially shouldn't be eating fourteen year olds. Yeah, that

2703
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:11,680
Speaker 4: someone might throw a rock at them and that's a

2704
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:13,840
Speaker 4: reasonable way people had gone and shoot them.

2705
02:10:14,080 --> 02:10:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if you back that into your mind at fourteen,

2706
02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:18,320
Speaker 3: I would argue that makes you very unsuitable to carry

2707
02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:21,320
Speaker 3: a gun in public. Later in life. Kids start out

2708
02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:25,240
Speaker 3: by doing this kind of boot camp style academy, and

2709
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 3: then they pretty much begin doing stuff like drill PT

2710
02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:33,360
Speaker 3: they practice, conducting vehicle stops and tracking Border Patrol. On

2711
02:10:33,400 --> 02:10:35,839
Speaker 3: their website, they claim to have more than seven hundred Explorers,

2712
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:38,640
Speaker 3: but over twenty eight posts around the country, it's very

2713
02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:42,480
Speaker 3: hard to find anything about them. Like, it's not something

2714
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:44,080
Speaker 3: that they talk about a great deal. You have to

2715
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:46,480
Speaker 3: sort of apply. I looked at how one would apply.

2716
02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:49,080
Speaker 3: It's one in Santa Sedra, Right. You sort of fill

2717
02:10:49,120 --> 02:10:51,240
Speaker 3: out this form and you get some kind of clearance

2718
02:10:52,040 --> 02:10:54,600
Speaker 3: and then I'm guessing they're checking that people are eligible

2719
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:56,520
Speaker 3: to be hired by Border Patrol.

2720
02:10:56,600 --> 02:10:56,760
Speaker 7: Right.

2721
02:10:57,040 --> 02:10:59,200
Speaker 3: But if there is data on how many of these

2722
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:01,920
Speaker 3: kids go on to hired by BP, I haven't found it,

2723
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,960
Speaker 3: but I did find one. I think this is again

2724
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:08,520
Speaker 3: from Morley Music's piece when extremely amusing incident the Douglas

2725
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:11,000
Speaker 3: Arizona chapters. The Explorers teamed up with a local high

2726
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:17,200
Speaker 3: school drama club and they had the kids play migrantsios. Yeah,

2727
02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:21,160
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, many of these people will themselves be like

2728
02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:23,960
Speaker 3: first generation or like a.

2729
02:11:26,440 --> 02:11:31,840
Speaker 4: Wild anyway, the country cannot be allowed to continue imagine, like,

2730
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:34,560
Speaker 4: what are we doing at school today?

2731
02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:36,840
Speaker 3: The theater kids are going to get arrested by the

2732
02:11:37,320 --> 02:11:42,200
Speaker 3: border patrol kids. Jesus Christ. Some of the theater kids

2733
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:45,760
Speaker 3: got really into character. One of them cried, I guess

2734
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:49,160
Speaker 3: several of them managed to avoid arrest and give the

2735
02:11:49,200 --> 02:11:55,120
Speaker 3: young agents the slip, and then they got told by

2736
02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:57,880
Speaker 3: the agents overseeing the exercise that they've done it wrong

2737
02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:03,120
Speaker 3: because they outsmarted the junior gobs.

2738
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:05,880
Speaker 4: There's a story I can't remember what fucking town it

2739
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:08,160
Speaker 4: was in like the fifties, that the Army was running

2740
02:12:08,240 --> 02:12:12,400
Speaker 4: these like infiltration drills where they would like have a

2741
02:12:12,440 --> 02:12:14,320
Speaker 4: town and they talk to people to town. They'd be like, Okay,

2742
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:17,480
Speaker 4: we're gonna like unleash like a communist diversive agent into

2743
02:12:17,480 --> 02:12:19,440
Speaker 4: the town and then you're gonna help the army capture them.

2744
02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 4: And it said, what happens, everyone has hit the agent

2745
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:25,920
Speaker 4: because I just had a great time like stuff.

2746
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the American spirit. It's it's the people

2747
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:33,760
Speaker 3: of Dugs Arizona. We salute you. One of the things

2748
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:36,440
Speaker 3: I found really interesting in in the morning music piece

2749
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:40,760
Speaker 3: was this idea of like defensive asylum only being for criminals,

2750
02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:43,120
Speaker 3: so it seems like the students learned this very binary

2751
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:46,680
Speaker 3: immigration law. Where defensive asylum, which is when you claim

2752
02:12:46,720 --> 02:12:50,400
Speaker 3: asylum as a defense against being deported. Yeah, it's only

2753
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:53,360
Speaker 3: for people who are criminals versus affirmative asylum. It's for

2754
02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:56,160
Speaker 3: the people who like really needed or whatever, we fast

2755
02:12:56,200 --> 02:13:00,920
Speaker 3: forward making an affirmative asylum claim. It's extreme seemly difficult

2756
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:04,560
Speaker 3: right now. Yeah, you know, I spoke to one hundred

2757
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:08,000
Speaker 3: people who wanted to come to this country in the Darien.

2758
02:13:08,440 --> 02:13:10,800
Speaker 3: Every single one of those people told me that they

2759
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:13,200
Speaker 3: wanted to use CBP one, that they wanted to do

2760
02:13:13,240 --> 02:13:15,480
Speaker 3: it the correct way, that they wanted to wait their

2761
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:18,920
Speaker 3: turn and do an interview. But like every single one

2762
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:20,640
Speaker 3: of those people is now reckoning with the fact that

2763
02:13:20,680 --> 02:13:23,440
Speaker 3: if they can make CVP want work on their phone,

2764
02:13:23,480 --> 02:13:26,120
Speaker 3: they will wake eight or nine months in Mexico. That

2765
02:13:26,280 --> 02:13:28,080
Speaker 3: is not a safe place if you're a woman on

2766
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:30,600
Speaker 3: your own, God forbid, if you're a trans woman or

2767
02:13:30,640 --> 02:13:34,120
Speaker 3: a gay person like aside from like within certain communities,

2768
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:35,920
Speaker 3: it's not a safe place. I think Mexico is the

2769
02:13:35,960 --> 02:13:39,800
Speaker 3: second highest rate of killings of trans people anywhere in

2770
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:43,080
Speaker 3: the world. Yeah, I think Brazil is maybe more. Yeah,

2771
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:44,760
Speaker 3: I think is the highest. I don't know if that's

2772
02:13:44,760 --> 02:13:47,080
Speaker 3: like raw numbers because Brazil is a bigger country, or

2773
02:13:47,120 --> 02:13:50,320
Speaker 3: if it's like stags the population. Yeah, my memory is

2774
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 3: that it's the rate, but I'm not harm so sure

2775
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:56,560
Speaker 3: either way. That people who are coming to be safe

2776
02:13:56,800 --> 02:13:58,680
Speaker 3: or not to be in a place where they're in danger,

2777
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:03,520
Speaker 3: and that is what they right. And so undoubtedly some

2778
02:14:03,600 --> 02:14:06,240
Speaker 3: of those people who wanted to come the right way

2779
02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:10,560
Speaker 3: will cross between ports of entry, they will surrender themselves

2780
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:13,040
Speaker 3: to border patrol and if they get a chance to

2781
02:14:13,080 --> 02:14:16,320
Speaker 3: file for asylum at all, because it's it's a shout

2782
02:14:16,360 --> 02:14:18,720
Speaker 3: test now. But there are numerous incidents that I've seen

2783
02:14:18,720 --> 02:14:21,560
Speaker 3: described in court cases of people doing what sounds to

2784
02:14:21,600 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 3: me like asserting an asylum claim and not having a

2785
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:27,120
Speaker 3: chance to then make their case. If they do at all,

2786
02:14:27,160 --> 02:14:30,360
Speaker 3: it'll be defensive asylum, right. And these are the people

2787
02:14:30,360 --> 02:14:34,280
Speaker 3: who are like textbook asylum places, you know, like I

2788
02:14:34,280 --> 02:14:36,040
Speaker 3: am a trans person in a place where that might

2789
02:14:36,080 --> 02:14:39,320
Speaker 3: well be punishable by death, the facto of du jure right,

2790
02:14:39,400 --> 02:14:42,400
Speaker 3: I am a political dissident in a country where my

2791
02:14:42,440 --> 02:14:45,680
Speaker 3: political views would be a reason to kill me. I

2792
02:14:45,680 --> 02:14:49,600
Speaker 3: am a woman from Iran, who doesn't wear hijab, nicab whatever,

2793
02:14:50,120 --> 02:14:54,920
Speaker 3: you know, Like these are like why asylum exists. There

2794
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:57,080
Speaker 3: are lots of people who deserve a help who are

2795
02:14:57,080 --> 02:14:59,160
Speaker 3: not covered by these little buckets that we put people

2796
02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:02,600
Speaker 3: in to asylum. But even people who are who falls

2797
02:15:02,680 --> 02:15:06,360
Speaker 3: but slap in the middle of what your average Midwestern

2798
02:15:06,440 --> 02:15:08,720
Speaker 3: liberal dad would be like, Yeah, that's an asylum case.

2799
02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:12,360
Speaker 3: We should help that person. Yeah they have to come

2800
02:15:12,520 --> 02:15:14,280
Speaker 3: and they fare the defense of asylum, and like that's

2801
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:17,920
Speaker 3: what we're teaching. I guess these border patrol kids that

2802
02:15:17,960 --> 02:15:20,400
Speaker 3: these are these are the quite unquite bad guys and

2803
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:24,080
Speaker 3: they're not and yeah, they they're doing this sort of

2804
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:27,120
Speaker 3: twenty eight posts. It's just one. I read a terrible

2805
02:15:27,120 --> 02:15:30,560
Speaker 3: account of a young woman who was sexually abused by

2806
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:33,839
Speaker 3: a cop in a police Explorer program. Like these Explorer

2807
02:15:33,880 --> 02:15:38,200
Speaker 3: programs go all across law enforcement. They are administered by

2808
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:42,160
Speaker 3: the Boy Scouts of America. They have a serious problem

2809
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:45,240
Speaker 3: with abuse of young people as serious problem, and it

2810
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:47,320
Speaker 3: seems like it's not getting I mean, it does get

2811
02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:50,960
Speaker 3: some coverage like this, this piece about the agent in

2812
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:53,520
Speaker 3: Douglas got some coverage, right, the piece about this this cop.

2813
02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:56,000
Speaker 3: But like, I mean, look at this country. We still

2814
02:15:56,040 --> 02:15:58,400
Speaker 3: have the Catholic Church. Just because people abuse kids doesn't

2815
02:15:58,440 --> 02:16:01,400
Speaker 3: mean they get shut down. But like, yeah, I don't, don't,

2816
02:16:01,400 --> 02:16:03,360
Speaker 3: don't send your kids. I guess you're listening to this.

2817
02:16:03,400 --> 02:16:05,480
Speaker 3: You're quite unlikely to send your kids to be junior cops.

2818
02:16:05,480 --> 02:16:10,000
Speaker 3: But like, I get young people living in small towns

2819
02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:13,680
Speaker 3: on the border who don't have many economic opportunities. I

2820
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:15,800
Speaker 3: know those towns. I spend a lot of time in

2821
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:19,880
Speaker 3: those towns, And I get that the guys who joined

2822
02:16:19,880 --> 02:16:23,120
Speaker 3: Border Patrol, they have big trucks, they have nice houses,

2823
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:26,280
Speaker 3: right that it's one of the few areas of economic opportunity.

2824
02:16:26,320 --> 02:16:28,640
Speaker 3: I get that none of that is worth having your

2825
02:16:28,680 --> 02:16:31,360
Speaker 3: kid abused. And like I'm not saying that, of course

2826
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:33,840
Speaker 3: all of these programs resulting child abuse, they don't, but

2827
02:16:33,959 --> 02:16:36,760
Speaker 3: like law enforcement explorer programs absolutely have a problem with

2828
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:37,440
Speaker 3: child abuse.

2829
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:40,959
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, there was a whole thing in like

2830
02:16:40,959 --> 02:16:44,560
Speaker 4: the last couple of years about this happening in tousion

2831
02:16:44,560 --> 02:16:48,400
Speaker 4: facilities in Chicago, or in facilities things that were supposed

2832
02:16:48,400 --> 02:16:52,440
Speaker 4: to be like now figurant housing, and that got reported. Yeah, Weirdly, Weirdly,

2833
02:16:52,480 --> 02:16:54,840
Speaker 4: the Chicago proces has actually been pretty good on immigration stuff.

2834
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:58,240
Speaker 4: But it's literally solely because they hate Brandon Johnson, and

2835
02:16:58,280 --> 02:17:01,039
Speaker 4: Brandon Johnson's the one running it. Because of this, we've

2836
02:17:01,080 --> 02:17:05,279
Speaker 4: actually gotten a bunch of good good reporting that accident.

2837
02:17:05,720 --> 02:17:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, in many such cases. But yeah, like the

2838
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:11,000
Speaker 4: culture of border patrol is not one.

2839
02:17:10,840 --> 02:17:13,400
Speaker 3: That you want to be introducing your child too. Yeah,

2840
02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:16,240
Speaker 3: absolutely not. You know, I would really encourage people to

2841
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:18,640
Speaker 3: read Todd's book Border Patrol Nation, like he talks about

2842
02:17:18,680 --> 02:17:21,879
Speaker 3: this use of They invented a new slur, which you

2843
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:24,560
Speaker 3: know is cool. Good for them for expanding the English language.

2844
02:17:24,560 --> 02:17:28,480
Speaker 3: I guess they call people tonks. Oh yeah, yeah, some

2845
02:17:28,600 --> 02:17:30,600
Speaker 3: noise that makes when you hit someone on the head

2846
02:17:30,600 --> 02:17:31,920
Speaker 3: with your torch, your flashlight.

2847
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, just really great stuff. Some of the worst

2848
02:17:36,840 --> 02:17:37,920
Speaker 4: people who've ever lived.

2849
02:17:38,320 --> 02:17:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't don't volunteer to be a cop. Don't do

2850
02:17:40,640 --> 02:17:42,959
Speaker 3: it for money either. Like that's what I got for you.

2851
02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:45,800
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I think I think that's all we've got

2852
02:17:46,040 --> 02:17:46,640
Speaker 4: for today.

2853
02:17:46,879 --> 02:17:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Shit fucking sucks. I don't know.

2854
02:17:49,320 --> 02:17:53,279
Speaker 4: We gave you, we gave you some less depressing episodes.

2855
02:17:53,320 --> 02:17:56,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, now we're back, we're in your week. Actually,

2856
02:17:56,200 --> 02:17:58,800
Speaker 4: I could promise I could promise tomorrow's episode is going

2857
02:17:58,840 --> 02:18:02,320
Speaker 4: to be a lot brighter for this one. Yeah, come

2858
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:04,200
Speaker 4: back tomorrow to be less worribly depressed.

2859
02:18:04,360 --> 02:18:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got nothing good for you coming up for

2860
02:18:06,640 --> 02:18:08,800
Speaker 3: the near future. To be honest, I'm rite I think

2861
02:18:08,840 --> 02:18:13,080
Speaker 3: about the Darien Gap and having to take little walks outside. Yeah, yeah,

2862
02:18:13,320 --> 02:18:14,000
Speaker 3: dire for a walk.

2863
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:37,680
Speaker 8: There's nothing wrong with your podcast feed. This is prop

2864
02:18:38,120 --> 02:18:42,800
Speaker 8: and I am invading that it can happen here podcasts.

2865
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:46,040
Speaker 8: To the four or five of y'all in the subreddit

2866
02:18:46,120 --> 02:18:48,440
Speaker 8: that can't stand my voice and say I'm the most

2867
02:18:48,480 --> 02:18:53,640
Speaker 8: annoying person in the Cool Zone extended universe, I apologize.

2868
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:55,879
Speaker 10: My mama used to say, be who you is, because

2869
02:18:55,879 --> 02:18:57,160
Speaker 10: who you ain't a who he is.

2870
02:18:58,200 --> 02:19:00,920
Speaker 8: We're gonna talk about some things, specifically coffee and how

2871
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:03,360
Speaker 8: your children will probably never be able to drink the

2872
02:19:03,400 --> 02:19:07,199
Speaker 8: coffee that you have drank because climate change bounds. But

2873
02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:11,000
Speaker 8: before we do, I'm also realizing how many singers in

2874
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:14,039
Speaker 8: the eighties was singing the teenagers to children.

2875
02:19:14,680 --> 02:19:18,440
Speaker 10: You know the absolute banger of a song If I.

2876
02:19:18,400 --> 02:19:24,199
Speaker 11: Could fly, I pick you up, I take you into

2877
02:19:24,440 --> 02:19:29,760
Speaker 11: the night, great song right and show you love that

2878
02:19:29,959 --> 02:19:31,199
Speaker 11: you live.

2879
02:19:31,760 --> 02:19:32,680
Speaker 3: See do you.

2880
02:19:32,680 --> 02:19:36,520
Speaker 10: Know what The first lyric in that song is she's.

2881
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:42,600
Speaker 8: Only sixteen years old, leave her alone? Unless he wasn't

2882
02:19:42,640 --> 02:19:47,000
Speaker 8: a teenager just openly singing, what was we thinking?

2883
02:19:47,320 --> 02:19:48,959
Speaker 3: Freaking bel biv devout.

2884
02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:54,400
Speaker 8: In dude may babe backstage, underage, gotta leggat.

2885
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:57,440
Speaker 10: I fly, I like to do the wild thing.

2886
02:19:58,280 --> 02:19:58,920
Speaker 3: Oh you're.

2887
02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:03,440
Speaker 8: We were just openly singing the kids. Let me get

2888
02:20:03,480 --> 02:20:06,680
Speaker 8: back on topic, because not only could.

2889
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:08,680
Speaker 1: It happen here, it is happening here.

2890
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:10,680
Speaker 3: So you may or may not know me.

2891
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:15,600
Speaker 8: I am Los Angeles born and raised our host politics

2892
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:19,680
Speaker 8: with Prop Coules on media team, and I am your

2893
02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:22,879
Speaker 8: resident coffee nerd, and a lot of that grew out

2894
02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:25,880
Speaker 8: of just a natural passion for coffee, which you will

2895
02:20:25,879 --> 02:20:28,200
Speaker 8: hear me gush about later. But I think I'm going

2896
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:31,240
Speaker 8: to back into this topic with back that thing up

2897
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:32,879
Speaker 8: with the story from a few years back.

2898
02:20:32,920 --> 02:20:34,480
Speaker 3: See a few years back, I had.

2899
02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:37,840
Speaker 8: A chance to put out a poetry book called Terrorform,

2900
02:20:37,879 --> 02:20:42,480
Speaker 8: building a Liverpool World, and Terrorform also had four musical

2901
02:20:42,520 --> 02:20:46,520
Speaker 8: EP seven song EPs called the Sky, the Soil, the People,

2902
02:20:46,959 --> 02:20:49,400
Speaker 8: and the Possibility. And while I was working on the Soil,

2903
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:51,720
Speaker 8: I had a chance to partner with one of the

2904
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:54,240
Speaker 8: I mean really it's like, I don't know if there's

2905
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:57,240
Speaker 8: a better roaster in America called Onyx believe it.

2906
02:20:57,320 --> 02:21:00,480
Speaker 10: Or not, in Northwest Arkansas.

2907
02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:04,959
Speaker 8: And in a collab sort of coffee release we were

2908
02:21:04,959 --> 02:21:10,000
Speaker 8: doing in partnership with Mirror, which is a drinkwaar company

2909
02:21:10,160 --> 02:21:12,400
Speaker 8: I'm also an ambassador for. We had a chance to

2910
02:21:12,400 --> 02:21:15,360
Speaker 8: go to Colombia and if you've if you've been to

2911
02:21:15,440 --> 02:21:19,200
Speaker 8: South America or anywhere close to the equator, it's I mean,

2912
02:21:19,400 --> 02:21:23,760
Speaker 8: you're walking into the Avatar, you know, minus the aliens.

2913
02:21:23,879 --> 02:21:28,240
Speaker 8: It's this raw sort of earth that us in the

2914
02:21:28,280 --> 02:21:32,800
Speaker 8: northern hemisphere. It's just colors of green that you just

2915
02:21:32,879 --> 02:21:36,600
Speaker 8: can't imagine that, Like our pantones have yet to match

2916
02:21:37,160 --> 02:21:41,640
Speaker 8: the type of green in a forest that has to

2917
02:21:41,720 --> 02:21:46,320
Speaker 8: be a certain amount of miles above sea level for

2918
02:21:46,440 --> 02:21:48,080
Speaker 8: it to grow coffee.

2919
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:51,560
Speaker 10: So we fly into Bogata.

2920
02:21:52,040 --> 02:21:55,080
Speaker 8: We go about an hour and a half outside of

2921
02:21:55,080 --> 02:21:57,400
Speaker 8: the city, which normally when you go to Origin it's

2922
02:21:57,440 --> 02:22:01,000
Speaker 8: like you have to like take a rickety a helicopter

2923
02:22:01,879 --> 02:22:05,640
Speaker 8: or traverse twelve hours into you know, an African jungle,

2924
02:22:05,879 --> 02:22:09,040
Speaker 8: which is like not the most plush riding, but it's

2925
02:22:09,080 --> 02:22:13,119
Speaker 8: just it's this beautiful South American you know, Colombian road,

2926
02:22:13,160 --> 02:22:16,600
Speaker 8: and then you go up this small sort of windy

2927
02:22:16,760 --> 02:22:20,800
Speaker 8: road and while it's sunny, beautiful, I don't know what

2928
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:29,440
Speaker 8: the combination of indigenous African European settlers that just made

2929
02:22:30,440 --> 02:22:36,800
Speaker 8: whatever combination of human made these Colombians so beautiful. But

2930
02:22:36,879 --> 02:22:41,600
Speaker 8: there's not I mean, everyone's beautiful. It is the most

2931
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:49,560
Speaker 8: off putting, how gorgeous every human is there along with

2932
02:22:49,640 --> 02:22:54,520
Speaker 8: this plush green you come over this hill and because

2933
02:22:54,520 --> 02:22:58,600
Speaker 8: of the way that this farmer going to is set

2934
02:22:58,680 --> 02:23:02,600
Speaker 8: inside in between the small valley that's about four to

2935
02:23:02,680 --> 02:23:08,080
Speaker 8: five thousand feet above sea level, there's this beautiful fog

2936
02:23:08,400 --> 02:23:15,560
Speaker 8: that lays over the top of this just gorgeous, gorgeous rainforest. Right,

2937
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:21,240
Speaker 8: there's grape vineyards, there's a few of those, there's allvocados,

2938
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:26,560
Speaker 8: there's all these just beautiful multi instead of a monoculture,

2939
02:23:26,680 --> 02:23:28,480
Speaker 8: monoculture is a form of just one thing.

2940
02:23:28,600 --> 02:23:29,920
Speaker 10: This is a multi.

2941
02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:36,960
Speaker 8: Culture place that this crew called La pama Eltua kan

2942
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:39,680
Speaker 8: That's who I was with. And all this beauty and

2943
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:44,039
Speaker 8: vegetation that I'm describing, apparently twelve years ago was not

2944
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:50,959
Speaker 8: a thing. This place was the textbook like cartoonish level

2945
02:23:51,000 --> 02:23:56,320
Speaker 8: example of deforestation where all of this natural beauty was

2946
02:23:56,360 --> 02:23:59,800
Speaker 8: cleared out for cattle raising.

2947
02:24:00,120 --> 02:24:02,240
Speaker 3: And the land was dead.

2948
02:24:02,680 --> 02:24:06,160
Speaker 8: But you would never guess, you would never guess that

2949
02:24:06,240 --> 02:24:09,199
Speaker 8: this was ever an issue, because what I'm looking at

2950
02:24:09,480 --> 02:24:14,000
Speaker 8: is Narnia. So this group of local born and raised

2951
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:18,840
Speaker 8: brothers came up with a business plan and started restoring

2952
02:24:18,879 --> 02:24:21,920
Speaker 8: this land. I can't overstate the before and after picture,

2953
02:24:22,280 --> 02:24:25,360
Speaker 8: like the land was dying them with their reginative, like

2954
02:24:25,720 --> 02:24:29,240
Speaker 8: you know, farming practices made this a rainforest again that

2955
02:24:29,320 --> 02:24:31,600
Speaker 8: is now growing some of the best coffee on earth.

2956
02:24:31,680 --> 02:24:36,600
Speaker 8: So anyway we come in there, it's beautiful. Just there

2957
02:24:36,640 --> 02:24:39,720
Speaker 8: are no words to express how beautiful this is. I

2958
02:24:39,760 --> 02:24:43,520
Speaker 8: have a song called the Soil Is Sacred that I

2959
02:24:43,760 --> 02:24:48,080
Speaker 8: shot the video at that farm. So if you want

2960
02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:50,840
Speaker 8: to just go ahead and peep that, peep that to

2961
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:54,680
Speaker 8: understand this place, this place is not only just a

2962
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:59,400
Speaker 8: coffee farm, it's also a bike trail adventure place.

2963
02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:00,480
Speaker 3: It's a whole tell.

2964
02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:04,600
Speaker 8: You stay in these bungalows that are like up on sticks,

2965
02:25:04,959 --> 02:25:09,680
Speaker 8: and then the shower is outdoors, just covered around bamboo

2966
02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:11,720
Speaker 8: sticks that like hei the thing, and it's got like

2967
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:14,640
Speaker 8: the what we like to call the anti black shower heads.

2968
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:16,480
Speaker 10: You know that those are the I don't.

2969
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:18,200
Speaker 8: Know if y'all notice, because Black people don't always like

2970
02:25:18,200 --> 02:25:19,240
Speaker 8: to wet our hair in the shower.

2971
02:25:19,240 --> 02:25:21,360
Speaker 10: We wash our hair much less than y'all do.

2972
02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:25,280
Speaker 8: But if you got that waterfall shower head, then that

2973
02:25:25,320 --> 02:25:27,320
Speaker 8: means we got to tilt our heads back a little bit,

2974
02:25:27,440 --> 02:25:29,560
Speaker 8: or make sure we got a shower cap. Because I

2975
02:25:29,560 --> 02:25:31,520
Speaker 8: don't know if you know any black women, but you don't.

2976
02:25:31,560 --> 02:25:33,880
Speaker 8: Don't wet my hair in the shower anyway. But you're

2977
02:25:33,959 --> 02:25:38,080
Speaker 8: showering out there, and it's just beautiful. You're in the rainforest.

2978
02:25:38,120 --> 02:25:42,359
Speaker 8: You can hear the animals and it's just this gentle

2979
02:25:42,480 --> 02:25:47,360
Speaker 8: breeze is blowing. And then around eleven thirty the fog

2980
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:48,360
Speaker 8: kind of clears out.

2981
02:25:48,440 --> 02:25:49,360
Speaker 10: You get to sit down.

2982
02:25:49,800 --> 02:25:53,640
Speaker 8: You're having some breakfasts that's just chopped up papaya and

2983
02:25:53,760 --> 02:25:57,520
Speaker 8: mango that they grew right there right. I can see

2984
02:25:57,560 --> 02:26:00,960
Speaker 8: the mango tree, it's right there. Then the fry up

2985
02:26:00,959 --> 02:26:04,640
Speaker 8: some plantain from the plantain tree right there, scrambling up

2986
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:07,760
Speaker 8: with some eggs from the chicken nest right there right.

2987
02:26:08,120 --> 02:26:10,920
Speaker 3: Just it's a dream.

2988
02:26:11,320 --> 02:26:13,760
Speaker 8: And as we're talking, as we're moving through this thing,

2989
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:17,879
Speaker 8: the man that runs it, who like I wish I

2990
02:26:17,879 --> 02:26:21,200
Speaker 8: could have his baby. It was just the most gorgeous

2991
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:26,840
Speaker 8: human I've ever seen, just flowing, flowing, quaft hair, speaking

2992
02:26:26,920 --> 02:26:30,520
Speaker 8: English and Spanish. The guy could play seven instruments. At

2993
02:26:30,520 --> 02:26:33,360
Speaker 8: some point where we're cutting coffee, the dude breaks into

2994
02:26:33,400 --> 02:26:38,080
Speaker 8: a bachata and then some Cumbia and he's just singing

2995
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:42,400
Speaker 8: these Colombian folklore songs while flipping over a bucket and

2996
02:26:42,440 --> 02:26:45,400
Speaker 8: playing drums. It's just like you, guys, you're in a movie.

2997
02:26:45,560 --> 02:26:48,760
Speaker 8: You're in a movie. And then he casually drops, yeah,

2998
02:26:48,760 --> 02:26:51,240
Speaker 8: we only got twenty seven more of those. I was like,

2999
02:26:51,240 --> 02:26:55,640
Speaker 8: twenty seven more? What he goes, Oh yeah, part of

3000
02:26:55,680 --> 02:26:59,720
Speaker 8: the mission of this farm is if we don't do

3001
02:26:59,800 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 8: something thing, there is twenty seven harvests left.

3002
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:05,920
Speaker 10: I was like, of what he goes of.

3003
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:09,280
Speaker 8: Top soil, Coffee's going to go extinct in twenty seven years.

3004
02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:14,800
Speaker 8: Sam to talk about the possibility of a world without coffee,

3005
02:27:14,840 --> 02:27:18,039
Speaker 8: how we got here, and what people are doing to

3006
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:23,120
Speaker 8: hopefully save the glorious being. All right, I feel like

3007
02:27:23,200 --> 02:27:27,720
Speaker 8: coffee is like the perfect analogy, the perfect one to

3008
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:33,760
Speaker 8: one ratio for the ways for which the global North

3009
02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:39,360
Speaker 8: has treated the global South, specifically black people, but by

3010
02:27:39,440 --> 02:27:44,600
Speaker 8: and large just it's the perfect metaphor for the raping

3011
02:27:44,640 --> 02:27:49,240
Speaker 8: and pillaging of resources, including people, that has happened across

3012
02:27:49,240 --> 02:27:54,920
Speaker 8: the world. So coffee originates solely from Ethiopia. Okay, so

3013
02:27:55,080 --> 02:27:59,760
Speaker 8: it's already it's it's black. This is the early fifteen

3014
02:27:59,800 --> 02:28:05,640
Speaker 8: huns undreds. Legend is that some sheep farmers saw that

3015
02:28:06,080 --> 02:28:11,000
Speaker 8: their sheeps were going crazy, like just mad, mad energy

3016
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:14,840
Speaker 8: after they had ate a particular cherry. Because again, coffee

3017
02:28:14,879 --> 02:28:17,440
Speaker 8: is a cherry, which is actually a very delicious cherry,

3018
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:20,240
Speaker 8: you know, and the bean inside is not the bean,

3019
02:28:20,280 --> 02:28:23,400
Speaker 8: it's the pit or the seed that's inside of the

3020
02:28:23,440 --> 02:28:27,800
Speaker 8: coffee cherry. So yeah, legend is like that's how they

3021
02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:30,720
Speaker 8: figured it out, Like dang, they eat these these cherries

3022
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:32,560
Speaker 8: and then they go crazy, like I wonder if that's

3023
02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:34,640
Speaker 8: going to give us strength to you know. So it's

3024
02:28:34,680 --> 02:28:40,199
Speaker 8: originally discovered in Ethiopia. Ethiopia is the only natural place

3025
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:43,920
Speaker 8: that coffee grows, and every other coffee bean across the

3026
02:28:43,920 --> 02:28:48,080
Speaker 8: world was propagated from the Ethiopian one. It only grows

3027
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:51,360
Speaker 8: between the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn along

3028
02:28:51,400 --> 02:28:54,039
Speaker 8: the equator that is the only place that it naturally grows.

3029
02:28:54,080 --> 02:28:56,720
Speaker 8: But because of climate change and because of you know,

3030
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:59,360
Speaker 8: GMO and genetically modifying and all these different things that

3031
02:28:59,360 --> 02:29:02,000
Speaker 8: we've done with cross breeding and stuff like, you know,

3032
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:04,760
Speaker 8: we've been able to grow it in in regions that

3033
02:29:04,879 --> 02:29:10,959
Speaker 8: aren't naturally the temperature and elevation that they naturally grow in.

3034
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:14,480
Speaker 8: There are many different varieties of what we call that's

3035
02:29:14,480 --> 02:29:17,640
Speaker 8: what they're called varietals of this particular cherry or plant.

3036
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:21,320
Speaker 8: But overall, you can break the species of coffee plant

3037
02:29:21,360 --> 02:29:25,640
Speaker 8: into three types. So you have typica, which most people

3038
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:28,840
Speaker 8: don't drink unless like if you have a coffee farm

3039
02:29:28,879 --> 02:29:31,360
Speaker 8: that you actually export from, like a lot of times,

3040
02:29:31,400 --> 02:29:33,680
Speaker 8: the typical stuff is just the stuff that you keep

3041
02:29:33,720 --> 02:29:37,119
Speaker 8: for yourself, Like most coffee farmers have never actually tasted

3042
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:41,760
Speaker 8: their best coffee because you ship that off to the

3043
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:44,920
Speaker 8: rest of the world to make your money. Then there's robustica,

3044
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:49,640
Speaker 8: which is like what most of the like instant coffee

3045
02:29:49,680 --> 02:29:52,160
Speaker 8: is made from. Really a lot of the world actually

3046
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:54,880
Speaker 8: drinks that, but it's an acquired taste, like when you

3047
02:29:54,920 --> 02:29:56,960
Speaker 8: go through South America, like I know when I went

3048
02:29:57,000 --> 02:29:59,800
Speaker 8: to my grandmother in last house, like she you know,

3049
02:29:59,840 --> 02:30:03,600
Speaker 8: she boil the water with the canela the cinnamon sticks

3050
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:06,600
Speaker 8: and poured instant coffee in it, and like as much

3051
02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:08,400
Speaker 8: of a coffee snob as I am, I'm like, that's

3052
02:30:08,400 --> 02:30:08,840
Speaker 8: the best.

3053
02:30:09,080 --> 02:30:10,400
Speaker 10: That's one of the best cups of cofee ive ever

3054
02:30:10,480 --> 02:30:11,160
Speaker 10: had in my life.

3055
02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:11,400
Speaker 1: You know.

3056
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:13,760
Speaker 8: People always ask me, what's what's the best cup of

3057
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:15,520
Speaker 8: coffee ever had, and I'm like, honestly, it's the one

3058
02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:15,920
Speaker 8: in your hand.

3059
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:16,800
Speaker 1: That's the best cup.

3060
02:30:17,160 --> 02:30:20,720
Speaker 8: I feel like there's like a bell curve where it's like, yeah,

3061
02:30:20,760 --> 02:30:22,480
Speaker 8: you discover it, then you hit this level of snob

3062
02:30:22,440 --> 02:30:24,800
Speaker 8: at then you become like a like a new Christian

3063
02:30:24,840 --> 02:30:27,560
Speaker 8: about it and you're just like one of the evangelize

3064
02:30:27,560 --> 02:30:29,760
Speaker 8: and tell everybody. And then you become just like a

3065
02:30:29,760 --> 02:30:32,560
Speaker 8: theological snob and you're just like, uh, are you putting

3066
02:30:32,640 --> 02:30:36,360
Speaker 8: cream like full extraction or die death over decaf? Like

3067
02:30:36,440 --> 02:30:38,440
Speaker 8: you become that dude, and then you just come over

3068
02:30:38,600 --> 02:30:40,400
Speaker 8: the other end of that hump and you're just like, dude,

3069
02:30:42,440 --> 02:30:43,640
Speaker 8: it's just coffee, man.

3070
02:30:43,879 --> 02:30:44,120
Speaker 4: You know.

3071
02:30:44,720 --> 02:30:49,320
Speaker 8: So yeah, so that's Robusticut, which, like I said, most

3072
02:30:49,360 --> 02:30:52,800
Speaker 8: of the world actually drinks that. And then the specialty level,

3073
02:30:52,920 --> 02:30:55,160
Speaker 8: the one that most of us are used to drinking

3074
02:30:55,200 --> 02:30:57,560
Speaker 8: now is called a rabica, and it's kind of like

3075
02:30:57,640 --> 02:31:03,600
Speaker 8: it's the top tier based on and whatever subjective scale

3076
02:31:03,640 --> 02:31:05,600
Speaker 8: we use to say.

3077
02:31:05,400 --> 02:31:07,360
Speaker 10: What is the best coffee.

3078
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:10,320
Speaker 8: But the fertile band, as what we call it around

3079
02:31:10,360 --> 02:31:14,959
Speaker 8: the coffee industry, is this span that kind of belts

3080
02:31:14,959 --> 02:31:20,280
Speaker 8: around the equator. So that's why in Central and South America,

3081
02:31:20,920 --> 02:31:24,720
Speaker 8: in certain parts of Africa and in Asia, coffee can

3082
02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:28,920
Speaker 8: naturally be grown. It takes a particular elevation, right, And

3083
02:31:29,440 --> 02:31:32,760
Speaker 8: you can even follow the transatlantic slave trade. You could

3084
02:31:32,760 --> 02:31:35,600
Speaker 8: follow the transit Lantic slave trade by following the distribution

3085
02:31:35,680 --> 02:31:40,280
Speaker 8: of coffee. How coffee got to the America's transatlantic slave trade. Anyway,

3086
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:43,879
Speaker 8: there used to be this beef between Ethiopia and Yemen

3087
02:31:44,120 --> 02:31:48,440
Speaker 8: as to like who made coffee first, because without getting

3088
02:31:48,440 --> 02:31:49,879
Speaker 8: too much in a nerdery, I want to stay in

3089
02:31:49,879 --> 02:31:54,040
Speaker 8: the narrative here, but coffee first from Ethiopia went to Yemen.

3090
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:56,200
Speaker 8: And the argument with the yemen ease is that they

3091
02:31:56,200 --> 02:31:59,039
Speaker 8: were the ones that grounded it and made it into

3092
02:31:59,080 --> 02:32:02,199
Speaker 8: a hot drink. So that's their argument that the Ethiopians

3093
02:32:02,200 --> 02:32:03,000
Speaker 8: didn't do that first.

3094
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:04,680
Speaker 10: But anybody that really knows it's it's like.

3095
02:32:04,680 --> 02:32:06,320
Speaker 1: Dude, it originates in Africa.

3096
02:32:06,400 --> 02:32:09,280
Speaker 8: I'd be willing to bet too that if you kind

3097
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:12,480
Speaker 8: of have developed somewhat of a palette for like a

3098
02:32:12,520 --> 02:32:15,840
Speaker 8: good clean cup of coffee, you would probably feel like

3099
02:32:15,959 --> 02:32:20,840
Speaker 8: Ethiopian beans are the best. And mostly it's just because, like, well,

3100
02:32:21,360 --> 02:32:24,640
Speaker 8: that's where it's from, and they have like at least

3101
02:32:24,680 --> 02:32:29,040
Speaker 8: one hundred year head start in cultivating how to make

3102
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:33,560
Speaker 8: a bomb. Being as a fun aside, if you get

3103
02:32:33,560 --> 02:32:36,840
Speaker 8: your hand on a Yemenese bean, it's a flavor profile

3104
02:32:36,920 --> 02:32:39,200
Speaker 8: you've probably never had in your life. That's why if

3105
02:32:39,240 --> 02:32:40,680
Speaker 8: you ever go to a place and they have like

3106
02:32:40,760 --> 02:32:44,560
Speaker 8: a Yemenese geisha, it costs so much because Yemen has

3107
02:32:44,600 --> 02:32:47,160
Speaker 8: been with the Huthis and such like that have been

3108
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:51,600
Speaker 8: locked into this civil war funded by America, Saudi Arabia,

3109
02:32:51,640 --> 02:32:54,160
Speaker 8: and Iran. You know, let's tie it all together, guys,

3110
02:32:54,160 --> 02:32:56,560
Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying. It's a metaphor for everything why

3111
02:32:56,600 --> 02:32:59,520
Speaker 8: coffee can't get exported out of Yemen. It is because

3112
02:32:59,560 --> 02:33:02,040
Speaker 8: of this sil war. It cost so much to get

3113
02:33:02,040 --> 02:33:06,800
Speaker 8: coffee out of Yemen because of these you know, wars

3114
02:33:06,840 --> 02:33:09,800
Speaker 8: funded by Western countries.

3115
02:33:09,440 --> 02:33:12,080
Speaker 10: Anyway, So from Yemen it got to Turkey.

3116
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:15,440
Speaker 8: You know, this is around the time of like when

3117
02:33:15,720 --> 02:33:20,600
Speaker 8: the Islamic world was really the superpower of the planet.

3118
02:33:20,760 --> 02:33:23,039
Speaker 8: You know, with people like Avaroez. You could do your

3119
02:33:23,080 --> 02:33:25,640
Speaker 8: little history on that, and just all of the most

3120
02:33:25,720 --> 02:33:31,199
Speaker 8: beautiful library science, history, algebra, math, philosophy was all coming

3121
02:33:31,240 --> 02:33:34,480
Speaker 8: from the Muslim world. And it was through the Muslim

3122
02:33:34,520 --> 02:33:38,920
Speaker 8: world that coffee got to Europe. So at first Europe

3123
02:33:38,959 --> 02:33:43,520
Speaker 8: wouldn't drink coffee because they thought it was Muslim. That's

3124
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:46,320
Speaker 8: what the dirty little brown folks is doing, right until

3125
02:33:46,320 --> 02:33:48,879
Speaker 8: it got to Belgium, which is one of the funnest

3126
02:33:48,879 --> 02:33:53,600
Speaker 8: stories to me again as coffee remaining this metaphor for

3127
02:33:53,879 --> 02:33:56,560
Speaker 8: the suffering of people of color everywhere. So anyway, remember

3128
02:33:56,720 --> 02:33:58,600
Speaker 8: Europe is a place for tea, but you know they

3129
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:04,440
Speaker 8: got day tea from India. Anyway, So one of the

3130
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:13,119
Speaker 8: archbishops in Belgium was presented this coffee thing, and because

3131
02:34:13,240 --> 02:34:16,040
Speaker 8: it was brought to Europe by the Muslims, the people

3132
02:34:16,040 --> 02:34:17,280
Speaker 8: there thought they couldn't drink it.

3133
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:20,879
Speaker 3: So this bishop was like, I don't know, let me

3134
02:34:20,920 --> 02:34:24,279
Speaker 3: try it. So I this might be folklore.

3135
02:34:24,760 --> 02:34:29,360
Speaker 8: But he drinks this coffee and he says, now I'm

3136
02:34:29,360 --> 02:34:30,879
Speaker 8: not gonna quote him direct. This is the part that

3137
02:34:30,879 --> 02:34:32,600
Speaker 8: I think is folks, this happened, but this is the

3138
02:34:32,600 --> 02:34:35,480
Speaker 8: part that says folklore. He was like, uh, if this

3139
02:34:35,640 --> 02:34:37,640
Speaker 8: is evil, let's baptize it.

3140
02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:42,120
Speaker 3: Because we can make it for good. He was like,

3141
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:44,680
Speaker 3: this is too delicious to let go.

3142
02:34:46,200 --> 02:34:49,560
Speaker 8: Watching the devil get all the good drinks. Yo, I'm said,

3143
02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:52,600
Speaker 8: I'm trying to drink good too. We could drink unto

3144
02:34:52,640 --> 02:34:56,720
Speaker 8: the land. All things was made for his glory, including

3145
02:34:56,800 --> 02:35:01,119
Speaker 8: this coffee. There used to be it is argument over

3146
02:35:01,160 --> 02:35:03,400
Speaker 8: which one was better for you, coffee your tea. They

3147
02:35:03,440 --> 02:35:06,040
Speaker 8: even did this test with these prisoners where they gave

3148
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:08,199
Speaker 8: one of them all coffee the other one all tea

3149
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:11,160
Speaker 8: to see who would live longer. And of course, since

3150
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:14,040
Speaker 8: that is like the least scientific thing you could do possible,

3151
02:35:14,400 --> 02:35:17,080
Speaker 8: you do. Even if the guy that coffee live longer,

3152
02:35:17,400 --> 02:35:20,640
Speaker 8: it don't matter because it's not real science. Anyway, I

3153
02:35:20,720 --> 02:35:25,520
Speaker 8: personally am very thankful that coffee got to Europe because again,

3154
02:35:25,920 --> 02:35:29,840
Speaker 8: something that was discovered and came from black people for

3155
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:33,880
Speaker 8: which we're willing to share freely, Like our music, like

3156
02:35:33,879 --> 02:35:37,040
Speaker 8: our slang, like our style address, You're welcome, you know

3157
02:35:37,080 --> 02:35:39,160
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, but don't act like this your house.

3158
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:41,600
Speaker 8: You could put your flavor on it and we could

3159
02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:45,920
Speaker 8: all enjoy. Because it was the Scandinavian countries that figured

3160
02:35:45,959 --> 02:35:48,760
Speaker 8: out light roasting and a lot of the nerdery for

3161
02:35:48,920 --> 02:35:51,480
Speaker 8: like the third wave specialty coffee that you that you

3162
02:35:51,560 --> 02:35:54,400
Speaker 8: see now that you're right, that's from Europe. Italy did

3163
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:59,000
Speaker 8: not discover coffee. Italy did espresso. I'm thankful for that.

3164
02:35:59,560 --> 02:36:03,000
Speaker 8: But they were only able to do espresso because of

3165
02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:06,080
Speaker 8: the labor of people of color in the global cum.

3166
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:09,439
Speaker 8: You're following my metaphor here. Coffee got to the Americas

3167
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:12,600
Speaker 8: via the slave trade. But if you can just look

3168
02:36:12,680 --> 02:36:16,560
Speaker 8: at a map, the jungles in Angola and the jungles

3169
02:36:16,560 --> 02:36:18,960
Speaker 8: of Brazil are the same jungle.

3170
02:36:19,320 --> 02:36:20,760
Speaker 10: There's just the ocean in between it.

3171
02:36:21,240 --> 02:36:25,320
Speaker 8: So of course when the Africans got there, they would

3172
02:36:25,360 --> 02:36:28,600
Speaker 8: recognize the soil and be able to grow the same things.

3173
02:36:28,840 --> 02:36:29,840
Speaker 10: Are y'all following me.

3174
02:36:30,120 --> 02:36:33,080
Speaker 8: We're talking about an industry that makes four hundred and

3175
02:36:33,120 --> 02:36:39,440
Speaker 8: sixty billion dollars globally every year and less than one

3176
02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:41,439
Speaker 8: percent goes back to Africa.

3177
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:43,199
Speaker 3: Less than one percent.

3178
02:36:43,000 --> 02:36:46,880
Speaker 8: Actually goes to those that actually grow the product. You

3179
02:36:46,959 --> 02:36:50,160
Speaker 8: are you following me on this metaphor. Coffee has its

3180
02:36:50,200 --> 02:36:53,440
Speaker 8: own stock market because it's a commodity. It's called the

3181
02:36:53,560 --> 02:36:56,760
Speaker 8: c market like it fluctuates like that, you know when

3182
02:36:56,760 --> 02:36:58,520
Speaker 8: you look on a bag and it says fair trade

3183
02:36:58,520 --> 02:36:59,320
Speaker 8: and direct trade.

3184
02:36:59,720 --> 02:37:01,039
Speaker 10: Let me tell you what that means.

3185
02:37:01,280 --> 02:37:06,520
Speaker 8: The price per pound for coffee per pellet is set

3186
02:37:06,959 --> 02:37:09,480
Speaker 8: at what they call a fair trade price. So there's

3187
02:37:09,480 --> 02:37:13,480
Speaker 8: a coffee commission that sets what is a fair amount

3188
02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:15,800
Speaker 8: for that coffee. So you're supposed to it's like a

3189
02:37:15,800 --> 02:37:19,039
Speaker 8: fair market value for a house. You know, who sets that? Germany.

3190
02:37:19,160 --> 02:37:22,960
Speaker 8: Here's the problem with that. Germany can't grow coffee. How

3191
02:37:22,959 --> 02:37:26,280
Speaker 8: are y'all setting up for a farm to be considered

3192
02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:29,720
Speaker 8: organic or meeting specialty?

3193
02:37:29,760 --> 02:37:33,840
Speaker 3: Called somebody a farmer in Kenya? Oh they die.

3194
02:37:34,040 --> 02:37:37,200
Speaker 8: Gotta fly somebody from Germany down today farm for them

3195
02:37:37,240 --> 02:37:39,959
Speaker 8: to test their soil to tell them that they soil

3196
02:37:40,040 --> 02:37:42,440
Speaker 8: is healthy enough to tell these people from Germany it

3197
02:37:42,480 --> 02:37:47,600
Speaker 8: can't grow coffee. This was so that's fair trade is

3198
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:51,840
Speaker 8: if Germany says that this price is right. Direct trade

3199
02:37:52,200 --> 02:37:56,400
Speaker 8: is when me, the American buyer, goes to the farmer

3200
02:37:56,440 --> 02:37:59,680
Speaker 8: themselves and I ask the farmer how much is it

3201
02:38:00,160 --> 02:38:04,080
Speaker 8: direct traded with them. The farmer tells us, Now, why

3202
02:38:04,160 --> 02:38:06,200
Speaker 8: I partnered with Onyx and all the other people that

3203
02:38:06,280 --> 02:38:09,400
Speaker 8: you see me partnering with, first of all is because

3204
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:13,400
Speaker 8: whatever that price is, what ONYX does is they'll pay

3205
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:14,560
Speaker 8: thirty percent more.

3206
02:38:14,840 --> 02:38:16,240
Speaker 3: So that's to guarantee.

3207
02:38:16,480 --> 02:38:18,960
Speaker 8: Not only is this a price that the farmer said,

3208
02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:21,200
Speaker 8: we're gonna pay you even more than that. There's an

3209
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:25,720
Speaker 8: understanding of value in the fact that we don't have

3210
02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:29,240
Speaker 8: an industry without you. And sometimes I work at this

3211
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:31,440
Speaker 8: other crew crawled BECKX three sixty, which I'm gonna talk

3212
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:33,680
Speaker 8: about a little later at the end of this, I'm saying,

3213
02:38:33,720 --> 02:38:35,879
Speaker 8: these are ways for you to be able to say.

3214
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:38,679
Speaker 10: Because everyone should be able to drink coffee.

3215
02:38:38,560 --> 02:38:40,560
Speaker 8: These are ways for which you could say, I am

3216
02:38:40,600 --> 02:38:42,039
Speaker 8: not being a part of the problem.

3217
02:38:42,120 --> 02:38:43,880
Speaker 10: In these ways, I could be part of the solution.

3218
02:38:44,280 --> 02:38:48,039
Speaker 8: But yes, a billion dollar industry created on the backs

3219
02:38:48,040 --> 02:38:51,280
Speaker 8: of brown folk, controlled by white folks.

3220
02:38:51,640 --> 02:38:54,800
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's a metaphor billion dollar industry.

3221
02:38:54,920 --> 02:38:57,080
Speaker 8: When's the last time you walked into a coffee shop

3222
02:38:57,120 --> 02:39:02,240
Speaker 8: and thought, Wow, this is something invented, harvested, and nurtured

3223
02:39:02,840 --> 02:39:06,840
Speaker 8: by people of color. No, you don't think that. People

3224
02:39:06,879 --> 02:39:11,480
Speaker 8: think Italy. It's such a metaphor. And now because of

3225
02:39:12,360 --> 02:39:18,160
Speaker 8: harsh conditions, irrosive top soil, and abusive practices, we only

3226
02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:19,640
Speaker 8: got twenty seven harvests left.

3227
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:22,840
Speaker 10: Now, let's get to the science and things we can do.

3228
02:39:23,240 --> 02:39:25,920
Speaker 8: All right, let's go to some sort of ad break, Right,

3229
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:27,160
Speaker 8: how do y'all do them at?

3230
02:39:27,360 --> 02:39:28,080
Speaker 10: It could have been here?

3231
02:39:28,480 --> 02:39:30,640
Speaker 8: Am I supposed to do some sort of like speaking

3232
02:39:30,680 --> 02:39:31,520
Speaker 8: of situation?

3233
02:39:32,240 --> 02:39:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

3234
02:39:42,879 --> 02:39:45,320
Speaker 8: So I think the best way to get into the

3235
02:39:45,840 --> 02:39:49,800
Speaker 8: science of it all is to maybe think about it

3236
02:39:50,440 --> 02:39:55,040
Speaker 8: through just the supply chain period. For centuries, the coffee

3237
02:39:55,080 --> 02:40:00,160
Speaker 8: plant or even farm have been just local, indigenous, this

3238
02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:06,520
Speaker 8: rainforest living families. It's your grandma, And I know this

3239
02:40:06,560 --> 02:40:09,199
Speaker 8: from my own experience. This is like your grandparents' house.

3240
02:40:09,640 --> 02:40:12,800
Speaker 8: Like you inherit this farm, you know, or you inherit

3241
02:40:12,840 --> 02:40:14,360
Speaker 8: this plot of land, and you got a couple of

3242
02:40:14,400 --> 02:40:17,440
Speaker 8: coffee plants in the back. Now, us being, you know,

3243
02:40:17,720 --> 02:40:24,640
Speaker 8: in a neoliberal, globally connected, late stage capitalistic society, how

3244
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:27,800
Speaker 8: do you get that commodity if we're not growing them

3245
02:40:27,800 --> 02:40:29,199
Speaker 8: in the heartland of America.

3246
02:40:29,360 --> 02:40:30,320
Speaker 10: Well, because we can't.

3247
02:40:30,400 --> 02:40:32,480
Speaker 8: Number one, we have to create a supply chain, and

3248
02:40:32,520 --> 02:40:36,920
Speaker 8: the supply chain is just as industrial as every other

3249
02:40:37,000 --> 02:40:42,840
Speaker 8: thing is. So from the origin, you have a green buyer,

3250
02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:46,400
Speaker 8: and the green buyer is essentially the middle person. So

3251
02:40:46,520 --> 02:40:50,440
Speaker 8: that person has all the relationships with the farms.

3252
02:40:50,959 --> 02:40:53,080
Speaker 10: So they create these relationship with these farms.

3253
02:40:53,480 --> 02:40:56,800
Speaker 8: Usually depending on your relationship with that green buyers, you

3254
02:40:56,920 --> 02:40:59,600
Speaker 8: take orders from them that sometimes depending on how big

3255
02:40:59,720 --> 02:41:01,680
Speaker 8: or small that green buyer is. Some of those are

3256
02:41:01,720 --> 02:41:06,280
Speaker 8: like multi state, multi country, like big old corporations that

3257
02:41:06,560 --> 02:41:09,320
Speaker 8: you know, go across the world and they swoop up

3258
02:41:09,560 --> 02:41:12,200
Speaker 8: in a Walmart of it all and like just like

3259
02:41:12,879 --> 02:41:15,879
Speaker 8: buy up all these small farms. Now some of these places,

3260
02:41:15,879 --> 02:41:18,039
Speaker 8: some of these green buyers own the farms because they've

3261
02:41:18,040 --> 02:41:21,080
Speaker 8: bought them from the indigenous populations, and others are like, no,

3262
02:41:21,160 --> 02:41:23,240
Speaker 8: we just have relationships and we pay. I got to

3263
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:27,320
Speaker 8: explained before fair market value, fair trade. And then I

3264
02:41:27,560 --> 02:41:29,760
Speaker 8: on the other end, like let's just say I'm you know,

3265
02:41:30,240 --> 02:41:32,600
Speaker 8: I will use my own company terror form. This isn't

3266
02:41:32,600 --> 02:41:34,840
Speaker 8: the process I use, but this is just the supply chain.

3267
02:41:35,120 --> 02:41:37,680
Speaker 8: So I would approach that green buyer, I'd go to

3268
02:41:37,680 --> 02:41:39,920
Speaker 8: their website and say, hey, I want to roast a

3269
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:42,959
Speaker 8: Kenyon heirloom that would be the varietal, like I want

3270
02:41:42,959 --> 02:41:43,959
Speaker 8: to that's a type of being.

3271
02:41:43,959 --> 02:41:44,920
Speaker 10: I want a Kenyon airloom.

3272
02:41:44,920 --> 02:41:47,560
Speaker 8: And I go, oh, dope, they got it at I'm

3273
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:49,480
Speaker 8: making up this number eighteen cents a pound. It's not

3274
02:41:49,520 --> 02:41:53,080
Speaker 8: like that. It's much more, but okay, dope. So they

3275
02:41:53,080 --> 02:41:54,879
Speaker 8: get the order. On the other end, they see what

3276
02:41:54,879 --> 02:41:57,560
Speaker 8: they got in stock or they got to go to origin, right,

3277
02:41:57,640 --> 02:41:59,600
Speaker 8: So they go to origin, they get the thing, and

3278
02:41:59,640 --> 02:42:03,160
Speaker 8: then some countries make you buy an entire shipping container

3279
02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:07,560
Speaker 8: because it's just not worth it. If you're you know,

3280
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:09,960
Speaker 8: you're in Costa Rica, you're a farmer in Costa Rica,

3281
02:42:10,320 --> 02:42:13,360
Speaker 8: it doesn't make any financial sense to try to ship

3282
02:42:13,400 --> 02:42:15,680
Speaker 8: out just like one burlap bag.

3283
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:17,279
Speaker 3: Like the cost is too high.

3284
02:42:17,360 --> 02:42:19,480
Speaker 8: So it's like, yo, you got to buy a palette

3285
02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:21,359
Speaker 8: or not a pal you gotta buy a shipping container.

3286
02:42:21,800 --> 02:42:22,000
Speaker 3: Right.

3287
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:26,200
Speaker 8: So what most small like micro roasters do is they

3288
02:42:26,680 --> 02:42:28,680
Speaker 8: buddy up with other people that are like, yo, let's

3289
02:42:28,680 --> 02:42:29,039
Speaker 8: all do this.

3290
02:42:29,360 --> 02:42:31,240
Speaker 10: We'll kind of go in on this shipping container.

3291
02:42:31,560 --> 02:42:34,080
Speaker 8: So you have the farmer, you have the green buyer,

3292
02:42:34,200 --> 02:42:35,959
Speaker 8: and then the green buyer makes the deal with the

3293
02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:39,160
Speaker 8: shipment team. The shipping container gets filled, then you got

3294
02:42:39,160 --> 02:42:42,000
Speaker 8: to pay the nation's tariff. So then that's where the

3295
02:42:42,040 --> 02:42:46,200
Speaker 8: country comes in. Now, why some coffees cost more than others,

3296
02:42:46,720 --> 02:42:48,320
Speaker 8: some of it has to do with the tariffs. It's

3297
02:42:48,360 --> 02:42:52,320
Speaker 8: like Ethiopia charges some like fifty nine percent tariff, as

3298
02:42:52,360 --> 02:42:55,840
Speaker 8: they should because they tired of being raped by white people,

3299
02:42:55,920 --> 02:42:59,960
Speaker 8: just like everybody else is from there. Once it hits land,

3300
02:43:00,200 --> 02:43:03,560
Speaker 8: us as the roasters, we would go give you up

3301
02:43:03,560 --> 02:43:06,400
Speaker 8: the funds. We've already paid them, and then you go

3302
02:43:06,480 --> 02:43:08,920
Speaker 8: to your roasting facility. Now, if you a big boy,

3303
02:43:08,959 --> 02:43:11,440
Speaker 8: you got your own roasting facility. But most of the time,

3304
02:43:11,640 --> 02:43:13,480
Speaker 8: you know, a person may have one machine in the

3305
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:15,400
Speaker 8: back of their coffee shop, or if they don't even

3306
02:43:15,440 --> 02:43:18,160
Speaker 8: have that, then they share a facility where they roast

3307
02:43:18,320 --> 02:43:21,320
Speaker 8: a bunch of different roasters roasted that one place. Once

3308
02:43:21,360 --> 02:43:25,680
Speaker 8: it's roast, getting in a bag and into your cup.

3309
02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:28,240
Speaker 8: Now this is the like specialty coffee way. Now, if

3310
02:43:28,240 --> 02:43:31,360
Speaker 8: we talk at Starbucks, Starbucks walks over there and they say, hey,

3311
02:43:31,720 --> 02:43:35,240
Speaker 8: let me buy this city, and they got their own

3312
02:43:35,280 --> 02:43:38,560
Speaker 8: shipping people in their own situation, and then they roast

3313
02:43:38,600 --> 02:43:41,360
Speaker 8: in like something the size of a mountain. Now what

3314
02:43:41,440 --> 02:43:44,119
Speaker 8: I'm talking about is third wave coffee. What that means

3315
02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:45,879
Speaker 8: is there is a lot of nerdy stuff. That means

3316
02:43:45,879 --> 02:43:47,920
Speaker 8: it's first wave coffee is like the coffee that your

3317
02:43:47,920 --> 02:43:49,400
Speaker 8: grandpa drank in World War Two.

3318
02:43:49,560 --> 02:43:52,119
Speaker 10: It's just you know mud, you know what I'm saying.

3319
02:43:52,160 --> 02:43:56,440
Speaker 8: Even the term Americano was because when the American gis

3320
02:43:56,959 --> 02:44:00,240
Speaker 8: were in Europe and they wanted a cup of CoFe,

3321
02:44:00,360 --> 02:44:03,120
Speaker 8: because in Europe day drankon espresso. The Americans was like,

3322
02:44:03,160 --> 02:44:05,360
Speaker 8: this is disgusting, what is this? So they just add

3323
02:44:05,400 --> 02:44:08,240
Speaker 8: water to it. So they called that an Americano because

3324
02:44:08,480 --> 02:44:10,400
Speaker 8: that's the type the Americans like anyway.

3325
02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:12,680
Speaker 10: So that's first wave coffee.

3326
02:44:12,680 --> 02:44:17,320
Speaker 8: Second wave coffee is like Starbucks or the coffee spots

3327
02:44:17,320 --> 02:44:19,959
Speaker 8: that like have the ton of syrups in the back

3328
02:44:20,160 --> 02:44:22,200
Speaker 8: and the name of their shop is probably some sort

3329
02:44:22,200 --> 02:44:26,039
Speaker 8: of pun like in Friends, the Central Perk, Java Chip.

3330
02:44:26,080 --> 02:44:29,520
Speaker 8: Those are the ones that, like the big suburban churches

3331
02:44:29,760 --> 02:44:32,240
Speaker 8: would have their own coffee shops like corn and Nia

3332
02:44:32,360 --> 02:44:36,520
Speaker 8: House Hebrews, just some sort of corny that's second where

3333
02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:40,000
Speaker 8: it's like, you know, that's your triple machiato, you know,

3334
02:44:40,240 --> 02:44:43,840
Speaker 8: with's double pump all of the sweet fruitfru stuff that's

3335
02:44:44,320 --> 02:44:46,720
Speaker 8: second wave, and then third wave is what we call

3336
02:44:46,800 --> 02:44:50,320
Speaker 8: specialty coffee, and that's where the big bucks come in

3337
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:54,120
Speaker 8: because you can sell them at a higher premium. Now,

3338
02:44:54,200 --> 02:44:56,600
Speaker 8: for it to be considered specialty coffee on a scale

3339
02:44:56,640 --> 02:44:58,640
Speaker 8: of one nine hundred, you have to grade that bean

3340
02:44:58,959 --> 02:45:02,320
Speaker 8: at an eighty or a bus Now, coffees that are

3341
02:45:02,320 --> 02:45:05,520
Speaker 8: graded in the nineties, unless you've been to Dubai or Qatar,

3342
02:45:05,640 --> 02:45:08,880
Speaker 8: you've never drank it. Those go there because American we

3343
02:45:08,920 --> 02:45:11,520
Speaker 8: can't afford it, so the farmer don't even show.

3344
02:45:11,400 --> 02:45:11,760
Speaker 3: It to it.

3345
02:45:11,959 --> 02:45:14,120
Speaker 8: But the most of the like if you go to

3346
02:45:14,200 --> 02:45:16,920
Speaker 8: like a good coffee shop, you're drinking about an eighty

3347
02:45:16,920 --> 02:45:19,160
Speaker 8: three to a eighty five. But it's not like their

3348
02:45:19,160 --> 02:45:22,880
Speaker 8: whole crop is that. Most farmers are just small plots.

3349
02:45:23,240 --> 02:45:25,080
Speaker 8: So what do you do with the rest of it? Well,

3350
02:45:25,080 --> 02:45:27,400
Speaker 8: the rest of it, which is the most of your harvest.

3351
02:45:27,640 --> 02:45:29,680
Speaker 8: To make the numbers round, Let's just say you have

3352
02:45:29,720 --> 02:45:33,840
Speaker 8: one hundred coffee trees. Maybe ten of them produced an

3353
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:37,240
Speaker 8: eighty five, right, so that's ten percent. So you've spent

3354
02:45:37,360 --> 02:45:42,240
Speaker 8: all year fighting drought, fighting climate change, fighting excessive heat,

3355
02:45:42,320 --> 02:45:45,760
Speaker 8: fighting all that only for of your whole plantation, only

3356
02:45:45,800 --> 02:45:48,120
Speaker 8: to get ten percent of it to be actually be

3357
02:45:48,400 --> 02:45:50,720
Speaker 8: available to sell. The rest of it, it just goes

3358
02:45:50,760 --> 02:45:53,400
Speaker 8: to the stock market and you just hope and pray

3359
02:45:53,680 --> 02:45:55,600
Speaker 8: that you're able to sell it. But you have that

3360
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:58,960
Speaker 8: three weeks to try to make your year's salary. So

3361
02:45:59,000 --> 02:46:02,119
Speaker 8: what happens is since you can only sell ten percent,

3362
02:46:02,240 --> 02:46:04,360
Speaker 8: only ten percent of it is even available to sell,

3363
02:46:04,440 --> 02:46:06,720
Speaker 8: right I'm talking specialty cofee is where we are now.

3364
02:46:07,000 --> 02:46:09,200
Speaker 8: If in fact, somebody comes in here and pays it,

3365
02:46:09,240 --> 02:46:11,800
Speaker 8: and then they only pay fair trade rather than direct

3366
02:46:11,800 --> 02:46:15,240
Speaker 8: trade price, you're getting a price set by Germany is

3367
02:46:15,720 --> 02:46:18,640
Speaker 8: not even enough to pay the little kids that just

3368
02:46:18,720 --> 02:46:21,560
Speaker 8: miss school to be able to pick your farm, because

3369
02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:23,840
Speaker 8: that's who actually picks the cherries. This is daywork, just

3370
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:26,680
Speaker 8: kids from the farming community that come in there. They

3371
02:46:26,680 --> 02:46:28,480
Speaker 8: try to make a day's wage to pick their things.

3372
02:46:28,600 --> 02:46:31,760
Speaker 8: So what happens is to be able to survive. This

3373
02:46:32,160 --> 02:46:34,120
Speaker 8: is how it is in Honduras. To be able to survive,

3374
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:36,600
Speaker 8: you go get a loan from the government to be

3375
02:46:36,640 --> 02:46:39,119
Speaker 8: able to make your money for the year, and then

3376
02:46:39,160 --> 02:46:42,720
Speaker 8: hopefully off that harvest, you can pay that loan back

3377
02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:44,960
Speaker 8: and make enough for the next year, so you don't

3378
02:46:45,000 --> 02:46:47,440
Speaker 8: have to get a loan. The problem is they're charging

3379
02:46:47,480 --> 02:46:52,560
Speaker 8: these farmers thirty percent interests, so they're locked into this

3380
02:46:52,959 --> 02:46:56,520
Speaker 8: situation that says, I can't even afford to even keep

3381
02:46:56,560 --> 02:46:59,480
Speaker 8: my family plot because I'm just staying in debt. So

3382
02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:02,480
Speaker 8: then what are you do? Governinate dumb, They'll re up

3383
02:47:02,480 --> 02:47:04,640
Speaker 8: your loan. So they're like, oh cool, no problem, We'll

3384
02:47:04,680 --> 02:47:07,280
Speaker 8: just we'll reup your loan. These so these farmers end

3385
02:47:07,360 --> 02:47:11,400
Speaker 8: up being hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and

3386
02:47:11,440 --> 02:47:14,560
Speaker 8: it's adding every year because they can never catch up,

3387
02:47:15,120 --> 02:47:18,959
Speaker 8: which is bonkers. Considering how much coffee we drink across

3388
02:47:19,040 --> 02:47:21,279
Speaker 8: the world, one would think they would be fine.

3389
02:47:22,000 --> 02:47:25,000
Speaker 10: So I mean, what's your option. You sell the land

3390
02:47:25,080 --> 02:47:25,680
Speaker 10: or just.

3391
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:29,160
Speaker 8: Remove the coffee, just yo, get some cows, sell beef

3392
02:47:29,280 --> 02:47:31,840
Speaker 8: right the forests, I mean there's money to make there,

3393
02:47:32,240 --> 02:47:34,640
Speaker 8: or you sell it to a big conglomerate. And what

3394
02:47:34,680 --> 02:47:37,360
Speaker 8: does the big conglomerate do burn down all of the

3395
02:47:37,400 --> 02:47:41,320
Speaker 8: forests and create a monoculture? Right, and a monoculture are

3396
02:47:41,480 --> 02:47:43,119
Speaker 8: like what you would pitch what we do in America

3397
02:47:43,160 --> 02:47:46,680
Speaker 8: for corn or all through the Amazon rainforest.

3398
02:47:46,760 --> 02:47:48,959
Speaker 10: And if you know, obviously you've seen.

3399
02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:52,440
Speaker 8: A force monoculture ain't how earth works, right, The diversity

3400
02:47:52,440 --> 02:47:55,840
Speaker 8: of plants becomes its own fertilizer. But if you don't

3401
02:47:55,879 --> 02:47:58,680
Speaker 8: have that, if you don't have chickens that survive off

3402
02:47:58,680 --> 02:48:02,520
Speaker 8: the avocados, and and you know, I'm pulling things out

3403
02:48:02,560 --> 02:48:04,120
Speaker 8: of nowhere. But like the point I'm trying to make

3404
02:48:04,200 --> 02:48:06,440
Speaker 8: is when you create a monoculture, you have to also

3405
02:48:06,560 --> 02:48:09,240
Speaker 8: create a way to sustain that. And the only way

3406
02:48:09,280 --> 02:48:13,600
Speaker 8: to sustain it is destructive. One cup of coffee in

3407
02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:18,039
Speaker 8: this way releases was it eighty grams of co two?

3408
02:48:18,320 --> 02:48:20,280
Speaker 8: I mean it's like driving half a mile, Like your

3409
02:48:20,280 --> 02:48:23,040
Speaker 8: cup of coffee is a half a mile full of poison.

3410
02:48:23,360 --> 02:48:26,959
Speaker 8: If done the way that most of the bigger names

3411
02:48:26,959 --> 02:48:30,000
Speaker 8: in the industry do it, which is now rising our

3412
02:48:30,040 --> 02:48:32,520
Speaker 8: carbon right. And if you're going to do that, then

3413
02:48:32,520 --> 02:48:35,600
Speaker 8: that means you need a gang of fertilizer, right, which

3414
02:48:35,640 --> 02:48:38,640
Speaker 8: is bad for the soil. And then you also need

3415
02:48:38,680 --> 02:48:44,119
Speaker 8: to use way more water than naturally required. Matter of fact,

3416
02:48:44,160 --> 02:48:47,680
Speaker 8: according to the UN, one cup of coffee uses one

3417
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:50,360
Speaker 8: hundred and thirty liters of water. If you're doing this

3418
02:48:50,600 --> 02:48:53,800
Speaker 8: like monoculture style, right, that looks like farming the way

3419
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:56,240
Speaker 8: we do it here one cup of coffee, one hundred

3420
02:48:56,280 --> 02:48:58,760
Speaker 8: and thirty liters of water, which is a bathtub. That's

3421
02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:02,200
Speaker 8: like a bathtub for of water to create this one cup,

3422
02:49:02,440 --> 02:49:07,640
Speaker 8: so obviously multiply that times a billion. Not only is

3423
02:49:07,720 --> 02:49:12,160
Speaker 8: this practice like everything else in this neo capitalistic world,

3424
02:49:12,240 --> 02:49:14,879
Speaker 8: the demand was so big and the desire to get

3425
02:49:14,920 --> 02:49:17,240
Speaker 8: the most amount of money with the least amount of

3426
02:49:17,280 --> 02:49:23,199
Speaker 8: price is destroying the very thing that makes the product possible. Now,

3427
02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:26,440
Speaker 8: the rest of the world isn't stupid. We understand that

3428
02:49:26,520 --> 02:49:29,279
Speaker 8: this process is not sustainable.

3429
02:49:29,440 --> 02:49:29,680
Speaker 3: Right.

3430
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:32,360
Speaker 10: We're killing the soil, We're killing the land. Everybody knows that.

3431
02:49:32,400 --> 02:49:34,680
Speaker 8: So the EU passed this law that says if you're

3432
02:49:34,680 --> 02:49:39,400
Speaker 8: going to import any sort of commodity, including coffee, you

3433
02:49:39,440 --> 02:49:42,000
Speaker 8: have to prove that it didn't come from deforestation. Right,

3434
02:49:42,040 --> 02:49:45,560
Speaker 8: So this is them trying to do their best. The

3435
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:49,040
Speaker 8: only problem is if I'm an indigenous farmer on a

3436
02:49:49,080 --> 02:49:52,640
Speaker 8: small plot, I don't even have access to deforestation. But

3437
02:49:52,720 --> 02:49:54,920
Speaker 8: the only way for me to prove that is, like

3438
02:49:54,959 --> 02:49:56,800
Speaker 8: I said before, with the fair trade, I have to

3439
02:49:56,840 --> 02:49:57,840
Speaker 8: fly somebody down.

3440
02:49:57,959 --> 02:49:58,879
Speaker 10: It's on my own dime.

3441
02:49:59,320 --> 02:50:03,199
Speaker 8: It's because the e who doesn't understand regenative practices because

3442
02:50:03,560 --> 02:50:07,879
Speaker 8: they don't know any indigenous people, right, So this is

3443
02:50:08,000 --> 02:50:11,880
Speaker 8: now adding a double burden to the farmers that are

3444
02:50:11,879 --> 02:50:15,400
Speaker 8: actually doing it right, who can't possibly do the volume

3445
02:50:16,120 --> 02:50:17,840
Speaker 8: of the people that are doing it wrong. So the

3446
02:50:17,879 --> 02:50:21,760
Speaker 8: first problem is like the system is not even financially sustainable,

3447
02:50:21,800 --> 02:50:23,480
Speaker 8: Like I haven't even got to the specifics of the

3448
02:50:23,480 --> 02:50:27,200
Speaker 8: deforestation and all those things that have caused this problem. Now,

3449
02:50:27,240 --> 02:50:30,440
Speaker 8: according to Bloomberg, there's a twenty twenty two study of

3450
02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:34,640
Speaker 8: tropical cash crops included Arabica as well as avocado and

3451
02:50:34,680 --> 02:50:38,560
Speaker 8: cashew are probably the most vulnerable to climate change because

3452
02:50:38,600 --> 02:50:41,959
Speaker 8: the regions that are suitable for this production continue to

3453
02:50:42,040 --> 02:50:47,080
Speaker 8: shrink because of why heat. It's too hot, which means

3454
02:50:47,120 --> 02:50:49,720
Speaker 8: that Arabica won't be able to grow. So we'll probably

3455
02:50:49,720 --> 02:50:51,760
Speaker 8: have to start drinking robusticut.

3456
02:50:51,959 --> 02:50:52,160
Speaker 7: Right.

3457
02:50:52,680 --> 02:50:57,080
Speaker 8: It's estimated that in thirty years from now, basically fifty

3458
02:50:57,120 --> 02:51:00,840
Speaker 8: percent of lands that can grow coffee will not be

3459
02:51:00,879 --> 02:51:03,760
Speaker 8: able to grow coffee anymore if we don't do anything

3460
02:51:04,200 --> 02:51:06,680
Speaker 8: fifty percent. You think they're making fun of you for

3461
02:51:06,720 --> 02:51:09,680
Speaker 8: your twelve dollars cup of coffee is crazy, now listen.

3462
02:51:09,879 --> 02:51:13,160
Speaker 8: Nestley reports that there are more than six thousand cups

3463
02:51:13,240 --> 02:51:17,240
Speaker 8: of neskfe coffee drink every second? Are y'all following me

3464
02:51:17,720 --> 02:51:21,400
Speaker 8: every second? That's how much coffee we drink. Now, granted

3465
02:51:21,440 --> 02:51:25,080
Speaker 8: that coffee is not a rabica, it's robustica. Robustica is

3466
02:51:25,600 --> 02:51:28,680
Speaker 8: what really most of the rest of the world drinks.

3467
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:35,520
Speaker 8: It's us again, being a part of the northern hemisphere,

3468
02:51:35,560 --> 02:51:38,240
Speaker 8: being a part of the global north that like the

3469
02:51:38,320 --> 02:51:41,240
Speaker 8: pristine kind of good, shiny type.

3470
02:51:41,320 --> 02:51:41,520
Speaker 3: Right.

3471
02:51:41,840 --> 02:51:48,160
Speaker 8: The problem is our insatiable desire to consume things as

3472
02:51:48,200 --> 02:51:50,560
Speaker 8: fast as we can. And I don't want to blame

3473
02:51:50,600 --> 02:51:53,280
Speaker 8: I'm not blaming the victim here, I'm just saying it's

3474
02:51:53,280 --> 02:51:57,160
Speaker 8: impossible to do the volume is the argument. How do

3475
02:51:57,200 --> 02:52:01,080
Speaker 8: you do this volume that we all want on in

3476
02:52:01,160 --> 02:52:05,560
Speaker 8: this global supply chain and the waight for which we've

3477
02:52:05,600 --> 02:52:08,879
Speaker 8: set this up. How do you do this volume and

3478
02:52:09,000 --> 02:52:11,600
Speaker 8: still keep the price where the price is? And you

3479
02:52:11,640 --> 02:52:14,080
Speaker 8: know what the solution has always been, You just rip

3480
02:52:14,120 --> 02:52:17,920
Speaker 8: off the farmer and destroy the earth. So deforestation given

3481
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:21,959
Speaker 8: us too much carbon, which has made the weather erratic,

3482
02:52:22,360 --> 02:52:25,920
Speaker 8: which means that some years the crop is flooded and

3483
02:52:25,959 --> 02:52:28,000
Speaker 8: it doesn't grow right because it's too much rain. Other

3484
02:52:28,080 --> 02:52:31,119
Speaker 8: years it's complete drought, and you have to dig even

3485
02:52:31,240 --> 02:52:34,440
Speaker 8: further into the ground to try to get the amount

3486
02:52:34,480 --> 02:52:38,400
Speaker 8: of water that had we not raised the temperature one

3487
02:52:38,440 --> 02:52:42,320
Speaker 8: point five degrees celsius, had we done some changes, the

3488
02:52:42,360 --> 02:52:45,279
Speaker 8: earth would be the same. So Brazil is the biggest

3489
02:52:45,560 --> 02:52:52,280
Speaker 8: coffee producer in the world right and this year, this

3490
02:52:52,440 --> 02:52:56,280
Speaker 8: year was the worst drought they've had in seven decades,

3491
02:52:56,840 --> 02:53:01,600
Speaker 8: with above average temperatures, and one of the biggest producers

3492
02:53:01,600 --> 02:53:05,879
Speaker 8: out there. Associated Press interviewed him, Silvio Almita, and that

3493
02:53:05,920 --> 02:53:10,240
Speaker 8: fool's coffee plantation. The AP just reported this was expected

3494
02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:12,880
Speaker 8: to harvest one hundred and twenty sacks of coffee beans,

3495
02:53:13,160 --> 02:53:15,680
Speaker 8: but they only got one hundred and then their quoted saying,

3496
02:53:15,720 --> 02:53:18,240
Speaker 8: given the conditions here in twenty twenty five, crop is

3497
02:53:18,400 --> 02:53:22,280
Speaker 8: already affected, he told Associated Press, pointing out that part

3498
02:53:22,280 --> 02:53:27,160
Speaker 8: of his plantation where flower buds have already died before blooming.

3499
02:53:27,360 --> 02:53:28,240
Speaker 3: I won't say it's.

3500
02:53:28,160 --> 02:53:31,920
Speaker 8: Doomed, because God can do anything, but based on the situation,

3501
02:53:32,360 --> 02:53:35,200
Speaker 8: it's already compromised. What these people are saying is like

3502
02:53:35,280 --> 02:53:38,520
Speaker 8: next year's crops already did this. Where we are, y'all,

3503
02:53:39,200 --> 02:53:43,000
Speaker 8: are y'all hearing what I'm saying. He's saying, we ain't

3504
02:53:43,000 --> 02:53:49,280
Speaker 8: gonna have no coffee next year. It's already dead, y'all.

3505
02:53:49,280 --> 02:53:52,040
Speaker 8: Remember when Robert read off his little book, you know,

3506
02:53:52,400 --> 02:53:54,280
Speaker 8: the hole started off the whole. It could happen here

3507
02:53:54,400 --> 02:53:57,800
Speaker 8: thing and in one of them places. After the civil

3508
02:53:57,879 --> 02:54:00,640
Speaker 8: ward have went down, coffee was something you had to

3509
02:54:00,640 --> 02:54:03,120
Speaker 8: smuggle into the country like a drug. This is what

3510
02:54:03,200 --> 02:54:05,400
Speaker 8: he talking about. Dan ain't gonna be no coffee, y'all.

3511
02:54:06,120 --> 02:54:08,240
Speaker 8: I was at an event two years ago. It's called

3512
02:54:08,240 --> 02:54:12,320
Speaker 8: the Color of Coffee Collective. It was for black people

3513
02:54:12,840 --> 02:54:15,440
Speaker 8: in the coffee industry. And of course this is stretched

3514
02:54:15,440 --> 02:54:18,520
Speaker 8: to the whole diaspora. So you know, Central and South

3515
02:54:18,560 --> 02:54:23,520
Speaker 8: American just ultimately people of color in the coffee industry connect,

3516
02:54:23,800 --> 02:54:28,080
Speaker 8: you know, plot strategize, have some transparency in our supply

3517
02:54:28,240 --> 02:54:30,680
Speaker 8: chains because a lot of us in America in the

3518
02:54:30,720 --> 02:54:32,879
Speaker 8: West screen you know, pro black, pro black, be for

3519
02:54:32,959 --> 02:54:35,680
Speaker 8: the culture, we for the people, and like to put

3520
02:54:35,920 --> 02:54:38,760
Speaker 8: you know, the faces of our farmers on our bags

3521
02:54:38,840 --> 02:54:41,360
Speaker 8: in you know, part of the marketing. But most people

3522
02:54:41,400 --> 02:54:42,920
Speaker 8: who are in the coffee just have never gone to

3523
02:54:43,000 --> 02:54:46,600
Speaker 8: the source, so you don't know it'ally. You know what

3524
02:54:46,600 --> 02:54:50,640
Speaker 8: I'm saying, you don't know Tabby who like is actually

3525
02:54:50,720 --> 02:54:52,160
Speaker 8: like growing your coffee?

3526
02:54:52,200 --> 02:54:52,800
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying.

3527
02:54:52,879 --> 02:54:55,280
Speaker 8: It's just a name on a spreadsheet, brought into you

3528
02:54:55,320 --> 02:54:56,120
Speaker 8: from an importer.

3529
02:54:56,480 --> 02:54:56,680
Speaker 10: Right.

3530
02:54:57,320 --> 02:55:01,119
Speaker 8: Anyway, So there was a panel discussion about about climate

3531
02:55:01,200 --> 02:55:04,680
Speaker 8: change and about ways for which we can do better.

3532
02:55:04,760 --> 02:55:06,760
Speaker 10: So they had a bunch of farmers. I remember it

3533
02:55:06,800 --> 02:55:08,199
Speaker 10: was a farmer from Kenya.

3534
02:55:08,200 --> 02:55:11,240
Speaker 8: Who gave us these just heaters, just these heat rocks,

3535
02:55:11,280 --> 02:55:17,120
Speaker 8: these bars during this panel discussion. And after I show

3536
02:55:17,120 --> 02:55:18,840
Speaker 8: you these bars, I'm gonna go for a break, and

3537
02:55:18,840 --> 02:55:21,000
Speaker 8: then I'm gonna tell you about people that are doing

3538
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:24,320
Speaker 8: things better in ways for which we can maybe save

3539
02:55:24,360 --> 02:55:28,400
Speaker 8: our soil so that your kids can possibly enjoy coffee. Also,

3540
02:55:29,080 --> 02:55:31,560
Speaker 8: so someone asked, I believe it was a roaster from

3541
02:55:31,560 --> 02:55:34,400
Speaker 8: Puerto Rico, was like, hey, so what are some of

3542
02:55:34,400 --> 02:55:39,440
Speaker 8: the ways that you're adapting and hoping to mitigate climate change?

3543
02:55:39,440 --> 02:55:41,600
Speaker 8: Like how are y'all dealing with climate change? So he

3544
02:55:41,680 --> 02:55:44,320
Speaker 8: was asking this Kenyan farmer like what's he doing for

3545
02:55:44,400 --> 02:55:48,520
Speaker 8: climate change? And his answer was, I mean, you tell

3546
02:55:48,600 --> 02:55:54,480
Speaker 8: me we're at source. He's like, we're a third world country.

3547
02:55:54,840 --> 02:55:56,640
Speaker 8: We didn't cause climate change.

3548
02:55:57,240 --> 02:55:59,279
Speaker 3: You did. What are you doing.

3549
02:56:00,120 --> 02:56:03,000
Speaker 8: We're the ones suffering, and not only are we suffering

3550
02:56:03,000 --> 02:56:05,199
Speaker 8: from the effects of climate change in our own life,

3551
02:56:05,680 --> 02:56:09,760
Speaker 8: because of your greediness, you created the climate change that

3552
02:56:09,920 --> 02:56:13,039
Speaker 8: is causing the problems in the very crop that you're

3553
02:56:13,040 --> 02:56:16,720
Speaker 8: trying to get from us. So because of your problems,

3554
02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:19,480
Speaker 8: this is why he's explaining it. I now can't grow

3555
02:56:19,520 --> 02:56:21,879
Speaker 8: something that we've grown for hundreds and hundreds of years,

3556
02:56:21,920 --> 02:56:23,680
Speaker 8: and you asking me what I'm doing for about it?

3557
02:56:23,800 --> 02:56:23,879
Speaker 7: Now?

3558
02:56:23,959 --> 02:56:26,120
Speaker 10: What are you doing about it? Ouch?

3559
02:56:27,480 --> 02:56:36,120
Speaker 8: So here's some things that are being done next.

3560
02:56:41,200 --> 02:56:42,800
Speaker 3: All right, we're back now.

3561
02:56:43,440 --> 02:56:47,720
Speaker 8: The wildest thing about how complicated any of these solutions are,

3562
02:56:47,800 --> 02:56:52,440
Speaker 8: which are you going to take many, many decades to

3563
02:56:52,600 --> 02:56:56,720
Speaker 8: actually see the difference in the actual top soil. The

3564
02:56:56,720 --> 02:56:59,760
Speaker 8: most bonkers part is the fact that, like the solutions

3565
02:57:00,400 --> 02:57:02,880
Speaker 8: by and large are kind of.

3566
02:57:02,400 --> 02:57:05,720
Speaker 10: The same across any world problem.

3567
02:57:06,160 --> 02:57:13,520
Speaker 8: It's mutual aid, it's collective, communal, collaborative work among every

3568
02:57:13,560 --> 02:57:16,560
Speaker 8: part of the supply chain. It's so in some senses,

3569
02:57:16,600 --> 02:57:20,000
Speaker 8: it's so beautiful that like, really the solution is us.

3570
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:23,280
Speaker 8: I say that to not grossly oversimplify, but I say

3571
02:57:23,320 --> 02:57:25,800
Speaker 8: that to say that there's hope. So I'm going to

3572
02:57:25,840 --> 02:57:28,840
Speaker 8: introduce you to a couple programs and a couple of

3573
02:57:28,920 --> 02:57:32,840
Speaker 8: farms and sort of some things to look for in

3574
02:57:32,879 --> 02:57:35,160
Speaker 8: your coffee purchasing.

3575
02:57:34,720 --> 02:57:36,840
Speaker 1: Because you guys want to see the world be better.

3576
02:57:36,879 --> 02:57:41,879
Speaker 8: Also, first thing is farms, going back to indigenous practices.

3577
02:57:42,080 --> 02:57:45,760
Speaker 8: Now two I know personally, and one I'm going to

3578
02:57:45,800 --> 02:57:49,960
Speaker 8: tell you about from Ecuador. There's a whole documentary on

3579
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:52,720
Speaker 8: it if you look up on YouTube, it's called How

3580
02:57:52,760 --> 02:57:56,120
Speaker 8: Climate Change Threatened Coffee Production by DW Documentaries.

3581
02:57:56,600 --> 02:57:59,760
Speaker 10: And I mean right like pretty on the nose.

3582
02:58:00,040 --> 02:58:03,680
Speaker 8: So a coffee collective in Ecuador called Viilakory.

3583
02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:05,560
Speaker 10: It's their Kichua language.

3584
02:58:05,600 --> 02:58:09,199
Speaker 8: It means green gold and their indigenous language, and they're

3585
02:58:09,240 --> 02:58:14,160
Speaker 8: doing something very similar to my friends in Honduras called

3586
02:58:14,320 --> 02:58:15,400
Speaker 8: Kadacha coffee.

3587
02:58:15,760 --> 02:58:16,959
Speaker 3: Now, what they.

3588
02:58:16,760 --> 02:58:20,240
Speaker 8: Are are cooperatives on the business side.

3589
02:58:20,320 --> 02:58:21,600
Speaker 3: So I'm so excited.

3590
02:58:21,760 --> 02:58:24,080
Speaker 8: I'm going to get to the business cooperative side after

3591
02:58:24,120 --> 02:58:26,279
Speaker 8: I explain to you the indigenous practices.

3592
02:58:26,600 --> 02:58:28,240
Speaker 10: Even though all of these things are related.

3593
02:58:28,280 --> 02:58:33,080
Speaker 8: So what they do is something that's so obvious, which

3594
02:58:33,160 --> 02:58:36,199
Speaker 8: is like, you got to stop doing monocultures. First of all,

3595
02:58:36,400 --> 02:58:40,640
Speaker 8: it makes sense financially because now you're diversifying your commodities,

3596
02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:43,240
Speaker 8: So you have your coffee plants. If you see a

3597
02:58:43,280 --> 02:58:45,840
Speaker 8: coffee plant, coffee plants are pretty short, like, they don't

3598
02:58:45,840 --> 02:58:49,480
Speaker 8: grow taller than six foot normally. So since the climate

3599
02:58:49,520 --> 02:58:52,480
Speaker 8: is so hot, what is the natural way to shade them? Well,

3600
02:58:52,520 --> 02:58:54,920
Speaker 8: the natural way to shave them is trees. So if

3601
02:58:54,959 --> 02:58:58,600
Speaker 8: you plant them among trees. The types of trees that

3602
02:58:58,800 --> 02:59:01,840
Speaker 8: first of all naturally fertilize the soil. Number two, they

3603
02:59:01,920 --> 02:59:06,400
Speaker 8: produce fruit. Number three, they produce raw materials. Right, so

3604
02:59:06,920 --> 02:59:09,720
Speaker 8: these people have planted trees that are indigenous to the area.

3605
02:59:09,920 --> 02:59:12,320
Speaker 8: So a lot of times in coffee places, like there

3606
02:59:12,360 --> 02:59:15,920
Speaker 8: are certain species of beans that really only grow in

3607
02:59:15,959 --> 02:59:18,039
Speaker 8: particular regions. But the only reason they grow in those

3608
02:59:18,040 --> 02:59:20,800
Speaker 8: particular regions is because of the mineral the way that

3609
02:59:20,840 --> 02:59:23,280
Speaker 8: the minerals are in the ground in that area. So

3610
02:59:23,360 --> 02:59:25,400
Speaker 8: if you can mimic those minerals, if you bring those

3611
02:59:25,400 --> 02:59:27,959
Speaker 8: minerals to this place, you could grow that bean. So

3612
02:59:28,160 --> 02:59:31,320
Speaker 8: technically speaking, if I have the my minerals, I can

3613
02:59:31,440 --> 02:59:37,640
Speaker 8: be in Costa Rica and grow a Rwandan coffee because

3614
02:59:37,680 --> 02:59:41,320
Speaker 8: it's just the Rwandan soil in Costa Rica. And you

3615
02:59:41,360 --> 02:59:43,360
Speaker 8: could still argue that it is this is some of

3616
02:59:43,400 --> 02:59:45,800
Speaker 8: the future of like if it do ever get so bad.

3617
02:59:46,280 --> 02:59:49,760
Speaker 8: Right when they grow in coffee in Sacramento, you know

3618
02:59:49,760 --> 02:59:52,920
Speaker 8: what I'm saying in Vancouver in some sort of building,

3619
02:59:53,280 --> 02:59:57,240
Speaker 8: it's because we just gather the minerals that we've destroyed

3620
02:59:58,000 --> 03:00:02,240
Speaker 8: and put them in a that's not good for the earth.

3621
03:00:02,280 --> 03:00:05,680
Speaker 8: That's that's an invasive not only invasive pieces, an invasive mineral.

3622
03:00:05,840 --> 03:00:08,879
Speaker 8: So you're completely changing the biosphere of that land just

3623
03:00:08,879 --> 03:00:09,800
Speaker 8: to grow that one crop.

3624
03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:13,120
Speaker 10: That's absurd. The land already does what it needs to do.

3625
03:00:13,680 --> 03:00:17,200
Speaker 8: So what these guys do in Ecuador is the same

3626
03:00:17,200 --> 03:00:20,280
Speaker 8: thing they do in Colombia in Zipa Coln that was

3627
03:00:20,280 --> 03:00:21,959
Speaker 8: the name of the city that they were in. Also,

3628
03:00:22,000 --> 03:00:24,200
Speaker 8: what's happening on doors is like you just let the

3629
03:00:24,280 --> 03:00:26,320
Speaker 8: land do what it does. What I learned on one

3630
03:00:26,360 --> 03:00:28,640
Speaker 8: of these farms is like the quickest way to know

3631
03:00:28,920 --> 03:00:33,959
Speaker 8: a place is not organic is there's no insects. Like,

3632
03:00:34,000 --> 03:00:37,520
Speaker 8: if there's no ants, that means the ground's poisonous.

3633
03:00:37,720 --> 03:00:37,879
Speaker 3: Right.

3634
03:00:38,280 --> 03:00:41,560
Speaker 8: The ants come out, they eat whatever waste is on

3635
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:44,040
Speaker 8: the ground, whatever like natural waste is on the ground.

3636
03:00:44,360 --> 03:00:46,360
Speaker 8: They come back in, they go back into the soil.

3637
03:00:46,400 --> 03:00:49,600
Speaker 8: They're irrigating them soils themselves. You don't need lawnmowers if

3638
03:00:49,640 --> 03:00:53,040
Speaker 8: you have chickens, right, the chickens eat the thing. The

3639
03:00:53,080 --> 03:00:56,920
Speaker 8: shade of the trees keeps the temperature down. It produces

3640
03:00:56,959 --> 03:01:02,280
Speaker 8: fruits like avocado, papaya, like I said before, for mongos, plantains.

3641
03:01:02,680 --> 03:01:06,240
Speaker 8: These trees that naturally grow in this area keep the

3642
03:01:06,240 --> 03:01:08,359
Speaker 8: soil rich and the coffee strong.

3643
03:01:08,720 --> 03:01:10,039
Speaker 3: So you're keeping the temperature down.

3644
03:01:10,480 --> 03:01:12,640
Speaker 8: The land does what it absolutely does, so now you

3645
03:01:12,680 --> 03:01:17,119
Speaker 8: don't need pesticides. You also need less water because when

3646
03:01:17,200 --> 03:01:20,560
Speaker 8: the temperature being shaded and brought down, the water's not

3647
03:01:20,560 --> 03:01:24,120
Speaker 8: evaporating as fast. Whoa, and then the quality of the

3648
03:01:24,120 --> 03:01:28,160
Speaker 8: bean is higher. Now here's where the indigenous practices move

3649
03:01:28,240 --> 03:01:31,600
Speaker 8: from just the ground to also the community. Rather than

3650
03:01:31,680 --> 03:01:36,360
Speaker 8: having one hundred small farms compete against each other, they

3651
03:01:36,440 --> 03:01:38,760
Speaker 8: just work as a community. So rather than waiting for

3652
03:01:39,000 --> 03:01:41,560
Speaker 8: Johnny European to come down and say buy my beans, no,

3653
03:01:41,560 --> 03:01:42,959
Speaker 8: by byes, by my means, they're like.

3654
03:01:42,920 --> 03:01:44,240
Speaker 3: No, by our beans.

3655
03:01:44,480 --> 03:01:47,680
Speaker 8: They pull all the beans together, bring all of their

3656
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:51,359
Speaker 8: crops together, and they say, yeah, maybe I can't produce

3657
03:01:51,840 --> 03:01:55,840
Speaker 8: whatever kilos that this person needs by themselves, but we

3658
03:01:56,840 --> 03:01:57,760
Speaker 8: can produce that.

3659
03:01:58,280 --> 03:01:59,920
Speaker 3: So that way if there's a.

3660
03:01:59,920 --> 03:02:02,840
Speaker 8: Farm over here that's got a smaller crop because maybe

3661
03:02:02,920 --> 03:02:04,800
Speaker 8: you know, mother in law got sick so they weren't

3662
03:02:04,800 --> 03:02:07,720
Speaker 8: able to work as hard as they can for those beans.

3663
03:02:07,800 --> 03:02:11,600
Speaker 8: Or maybe collectively, again heat dome was too high, there

3664
03:02:11,680 --> 03:02:13,480
Speaker 8: was too much of a drought. We really couldn't grow

3665
03:02:13,520 --> 03:02:17,000
Speaker 8: that much on our own. Together though we could meet

3666
03:02:17,040 --> 03:02:20,680
Speaker 8: this order. You follow me and when that happens, because again,

3667
03:02:20,760 --> 03:02:24,480
Speaker 8: who usually picks the beans are the community's kids. Now,

3668
03:02:24,760 --> 03:02:27,879
Speaker 8: if we can collectively fill the order, right after we

3669
03:02:27,959 --> 03:02:31,480
Speaker 8: cup and we say collectively our coffees are good enough.

3670
03:02:31,520 --> 03:02:34,040
Speaker 8: And there's different types of species, like you know what

3671
03:02:34,080 --> 03:02:36,000
Speaker 8: I'm saying, Like this is a I don't want to

3672
03:02:36,000 --> 03:02:38,160
Speaker 8: get too much into a nerdery, but each each bean

3673
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:40,680
Speaker 8: in each tree is a particular species. Maybe when we cup,

3674
03:02:40,720 --> 03:02:42,360
Speaker 8: we say, hey, listen, this is the same thing that

3675
03:02:42,400 --> 03:02:44,280
Speaker 8: happened on Doris. It's like, you know, we sit around

3676
03:02:44,320 --> 03:02:47,720
Speaker 8: and we're tasting, basically doing a taste test these different

3677
03:02:47,760 --> 03:02:50,959
Speaker 8: batches of beans. I don't know which farm they came from.

3678
03:02:51,080 --> 03:02:53,800
Speaker 8: I know they're all a part of this collective. But

3679
03:02:53,879 --> 03:02:57,560
Speaker 8: if I say, yo, I want these, then when we pay,

3680
03:02:58,360 --> 03:03:01,119
Speaker 8: since it's not a middleman, and it's a community.

3681
03:03:01,520 --> 03:03:03,359
Speaker 3: Now, the main load goes.

3682
03:03:03,120 --> 03:03:06,840
Speaker 8: To the particular farm that it was ordered from, but

3683
03:03:06,879 --> 03:03:09,760
Speaker 8: the rest of it goes and it's spread across the

3684
03:03:10,240 --> 03:03:11,359
Speaker 8: entire community.

3685
03:03:11,720 --> 03:03:12,200
Speaker 3: Following me.

3686
03:03:12,400 --> 03:03:14,199
Speaker 10: Okay, now back to the soil situation.

3687
03:03:14,560 --> 03:03:16,160
Speaker 8: I feel like I'm all over the place, but you

3688
03:03:16,200 --> 03:03:18,240
Speaker 8: have to understand because the problem's all over the place,

3689
03:03:18,480 --> 03:03:20,199
Speaker 8: and a lot of these places are connected.

3690
03:03:20,600 --> 03:03:23,760
Speaker 3: So in Colombia they kind of did the same thing.

3691
03:03:23,879 --> 03:03:26,920
Speaker 8: So Lapamel tu Acon is the place that everybody comes

3692
03:03:26,920 --> 03:03:31,080
Speaker 8: into and since every individual farmer does not have connections

3693
03:03:31,120 --> 03:03:36,360
Speaker 8: across the world with bringing buyers in and there's no

3694
03:03:36,440 --> 03:03:39,400
Speaker 8: promise that they won't be taking advantage of and ain't

3695
03:03:39,400 --> 03:03:41,480
Speaker 8: gonna be able to sell but maybe five ten percent

3696
03:03:41,520 --> 03:03:43,720
Speaker 8: of the crop. The rest of it either goes to

3697
03:03:43,760 --> 03:03:45,640
Speaker 8: the trash or goes to the sea market. It's just

3698
03:03:45,680 --> 03:03:48,240
Speaker 8: the open stock market. You just hope somebody buys your beans.

3699
03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:51,480
Speaker 8: It's just no way to live. As I explained before,

3700
03:03:51,879 --> 03:03:54,520
Speaker 8: what Lapama ends up doing is this is they say, okay,

3701
03:03:54,520 --> 03:03:55,320
Speaker 8: we'll check this out.

3702
03:03:56,000 --> 03:03:58,040
Speaker 10: We'll buy your coffee, all of it.

3703
03:03:58,360 --> 03:04:01,840
Speaker 8: And not only will we buy your coffee, because we

3704
03:04:01,920 --> 03:04:04,640
Speaker 8: know you need soil. We're gonna set you up with

3705
03:04:04,680 --> 03:04:07,280
Speaker 8: a business so that not only can you sell your

3706
03:04:07,280 --> 03:04:10,440
Speaker 8: coffee to us, you can also sell your fertilizer to us.

3707
03:04:10,680 --> 03:04:13,959
Speaker 8: And the fertilizer that you're creating, we're going to build

3708
03:04:13,959 --> 03:04:16,560
Speaker 8: that business for you. And how they do this is

3709
03:04:16,600 --> 03:04:20,480
Speaker 8: this thing called biochar. Now it makes so much sense.

3710
03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:24,680
Speaker 8: If you have donkeys and other places at, pigs and

3711
03:04:24,920 --> 03:04:29,120
Speaker 8: other animals that have waste, you can make fertilizer.

3712
03:04:30,320 --> 03:04:33,200
Speaker 3: Duh, right, So what they do is this.

3713
03:04:33,560 --> 03:04:36,600
Speaker 8: They have these composts, these big old flat things that

3714
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:37,440
Speaker 8: they build in front of you.

3715
03:04:37,520 --> 03:04:38,840
Speaker 3: They basically they build it for you.

3716
03:04:38,879 --> 03:04:41,240
Speaker 8: They went to all the local farms and they were like,

3717
03:04:41,320 --> 03:04:44,640
Speaker 8: we'll build this for you, right, and then we'll buy

3718
03:04:44,680 --> 03:04:48,480
Speaker 8: the product from you. So they build these flatbed things

3719
03:04:48,920 --> 03:04:50,920
Speaker 8: where you could take all the stuff that you would

3720
03:04:50,959 --> 03:04:54,480
Speaker 8: compost anyway and put it in this flatbed, cover it,

3721
03:04:54,920 --> 03:04:57,560
Speaker 8: and then we're going to give you this stuff called biochar,

3722
03:04:58,000 --> 03:05:01,879
Speaker 8: which is some of the dope. It's like Mother Nature

3723
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:04,840
Speaker 8: showing off. So basically it's made from like you heat

3724
03:05:04,920 --> 03:05:09,480
Speaker 8: wood right at the highest of temperature with no oxygen,

3725
03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:13,160
Speaker 8: so once it becomes carbon, it doesn't turn to ash.

3726
03:05:13,480 --> 03:05:15,120
Speaker 8: You know what, I mean it's almost like you know

3727
03:05:15,120 --> 03:05:17,000
Speaker 8: when you like after you light a fire, when you

3728
03:05:17,040 --> 03:05:20,880
Speaker 8: hold the charred pieces, like how it crumbles away this

3729
03:05:20,920 --> 03:05:23,520
Speaker 8: one because you heat it at the highest of temperature

3730
03:05:23,560 --> 03:05:27,280
Speaker 8: without letting oxygen in, so like it doesn't become like

3731
03:05:27,320 --> 03:05:29,440
Speaker 8: a like a red fire, you know what I'm saying.

3732
03:05:29,840 --> 03:05:34,520
Speaker 8: And then you mix that into your compost and it

3733
03:05:34,680 --> 03:05:40,640
Speaker 8: just makes this pristine soil. So now guess what. These

3734
03:05:40,680 --> 03:05:42,640
Speaker 8: farmers don't have to pay for soil. They don't have

3735
03:05:42,680 --> 03:05:45,000
Speaker 8: to pay for nutrient wrench soil. Matter of fact, they

3736
03:05:45,040 --> 03:05:49,240
Speaker 8: can sell off the excess. Their crops already been sold.

3737
03:05:49,520 --> 03:05:51,280
Speaker 8: So you don't have to go get a loan from

3738
03:05:51,320 --> 03:05:53,240
Speaker 8: the state. You would need that loan to be able

3739
03:05:53,240 --> 03:05:55,440
Speaker 8: to set up your like your washing stations. Like how

3740
03:05:55,480 --> 03:05:58,760
Speaker 8: you get the coffee from a cherry to the roast

3741
03:05:59,040 --> 03:06:01,840
Speaker 8: or to the green bean. Is like it's a long process.

3742
03:06:02,000 --> 03:06:04,920
Speaker 8: It could be very expensive. It's all good. The homies

3743
03:06:04,959 --> 03:06:06,720
Speaker 8: down Narrow do that for you. We'll put you in

3744
03:06:06,800 --> 03:06:10,400
Speaker 8: this system and we're gonna pay you even if your

3745
03:06:10,480 --> 03:06:15,080
Speaker 8: particular crop, your particular bean isn't sold, because we'll sell

3746
03:06:15,080 --> 03:06:18,760
Speaker 8: it somehow, like if it doesn't sell on the high

3747
03:06:18,840 --> 03:06:22,160
Speaker 8: end eighty percent Arabica specialty coffee thing.

3748
03:06:22,160 --> 03:06:24,080
Speaker 10: We'll figure out a way to sell it. You're still

3749
03:06:24,120 --> 03:06:25,039
Speaker 10: getting paid anyway.

3750
03:06:25,160 --> 03:06:27,680
Speaker 8: We're buying your whole crop rather than the ten percent

3751
03:06:28,160 --> 03:06:30,880
Speaker 8: that would happen, Like I said before, if your beans

3752
03:06:30,920 --> 03:06:33,240
Speaker 8: aren't as good as they're supposed to be. These programs

3753
03:06:33,240 --> 03:06:35,199
Speaker 8: by one hundred percent from these farmers. So these farmers

3754
03:06:35,200 --> 03:06:38,160
Speaker 8: are able to sustain themselves. Right, and now you can

3755
03:06:38,200 --> 03:06:41,400
Speaker 8: pass these farms down to your children, right because we're

3756
03:06:41,440 --> 03:06:45,360
Speaker 8: doing this collectively. Since we're doing this collectively, especially it's

3757
03:06:45,400 --> 03:06:47,879
Speaker 8: what happens in Honduras, a third of the money goes

3758
03:06:47,920 --> 03:06:50,760
Speaker 8: to the community itself. I've wrapped at a school that

3759
03:06:50,920 --> 03:06:53,240
Speaker 8: was built by them selling the coffee like this, there's

3760
03:06:53,320 --> 03:06:55,320
Speaker 8: now a medical clinic because a lot of times these

3761
03:06:55,360 --> 03:06:59,000
Speaker 8: farms are hundreds of miles away from the city.

3762
03:06:59,320 --> 03:07:01,320
Speaker 10: You have to get lifted as something's wrong.

3763
03:07:01,640 --> 03:07:04,880
Speaker 8: And since these are indigenous communities, they're the most forgotten

3764
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:10,560
Speaker 8: oftentimes in these areas. So purchasing these coffees really at

3765
03:07:10,600 --> 03:07:12,840
Speaker 8: a high price, which is what we're supposed to do,

3766
03:07:13,720 --> 03:07:19,080
Speaker 8: guarantees that the individual farmers paid, the community is paid.

3767
03:07:19,400 --> 03:07:22,120
Speaker 8: It's done in a way that's tied much more to

3768
03:07:22,160 --> 03:07:29,120
Speaker 8: the indigenous practices and now collectively, because we're buying from

3769
03:07:29,520 --> 03:07:34,840
Speaker 8: responsible places that are locally grown, now we can afford

3770
03:07:34,879 --> 03:07:38,000
Speaker 8: to bring the EU people down here to prove that

3771
03:07:38,280 --> 03:07:42,000
Speaker 8: this is not a process of deforestation because they're moving

3772
03:07:42,120 --> 03:07:45,400
Speaker 8: collectively for real. It's just like fast fashion. It's like

3773
03:07:45,760 --> 03:07:48,440
Speaker 8: that T shirt only three dollars because the sweatshop. You

3774
03:07:48,480 --> 03:07:50,039
Speaker 8: truly do get what you pay for in a lot

3775
03:07:50,040 --> 03:07:53,520
Speaker 8: of way. And finally, I'm gonna tell you where tech

3776
03:07:53,600 --> 03:08:00,000
Speaker 8: is actually helping, and it's this program called Bext three sixty.

3777
03:08:00,000 --> 03:08:02,280
Speaker 8: Could use a little help on the marketing, but it's

3778
03:08:02,360 --> 03:08:10,400
Speaker 8: essentially they're using blockchain to create transparency and it's probably

3779
03:08:10,400 --> 03:08:12,520
Speaker 8: the dopest thing I've ever seen. And I saw it

3780
03:08:12,840 --> 03:08:15,680
Speaker 8: from wanted of the supply chain to the other. So

3781
03:08:16,320 --> 03:08:19,840
Speaker 8: in this program, these local farmers right who had just

3782
03:08:19,879 --> 03:08:23,360
Speaker 8: have these small home plots, who have been running these

3783
03:08:23,360 --> 03:08:26,120
Speaker 8: plots for centuries. Is their grandfather's land they you know,

3784
03:08:26,160 --> 03:08:27,800
Speaker 8: they grandmama's land that.

3785
03:08:27,840 --> 03:08:28,360
Speaker 10: They got it.

3786
03:08:28,600 --> 03:08:34,320
Speaker 8: Who don't have access to American and worldwide coffee buyers

3787
03:08:34,560 --> 03:08:37,480
Speaker 8: meet up with this collective, right, the Karacha collective. That's

3788
03:08:37,520 --> 03:08:40,039
Speaker 8: one of them that I'm that I'm specifically talking about.

3789
03:08:40,280 --> 03:08:42,600
Speaker 8: And Karacha signed up with this thing called bext. And

3790
03:08:42,680 --> 03:08:46,160
Speaker 8: what happens in bext is if you've ever been to

3791
03:08:46,800 --> 03:08:49,920
Speaker 8: developing countries, not everybody ain't got a smartphone. So in

3792
03:08:50,040 --> 03:08:53,920
Speaker 8: this thing, once the farmer harvest is alls beans, washes

3793
03:08:53,959 --> 03:08:56,959
Speaker 8: them and says, hey, I got these many kilos of

3794
03:08:57,040 --> 03:09:00,360
Speaker 8: this type of being. Click, opens his bext app on

3795
03:09:00,360 --> 03:09:03,000
Speaker 8: his smartphone, takes a picture of it and puts the

3796
03:09:03,000 --> 03:09:06,640
Speaker 8: weights and the numbers so that we know everybody and

3797
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:09,120
Speaker 8: everybody in the supply chain can see this. There's a

3798
03:09:09,160 --> 03:09:12,040
Speaker 8: QR code even on the bag. Once you buy the

3799
03:09:12,080 --> 03:09:15,200
Speaker 8: bag in Sacramento, there's a QR code on it, so

3800
03:09:15,240 --> 03:09:17,840
Speaker 8: you could see all this. So the kid from the

3801
03:09:17,879 --> 03:09:22,840
Speaker 8: farm snaps the thing. It goes to the exporter, which

3802
03:09:22,840 --> 03:09:25,400
Speaker 8: who just lives down the street. It's not like some

3803
03:09:25,760 --> 03:09:28,520
Speaker 8: you multi conglomerate company from the North.

3804
03:09:28,640 --> 03:09:30,959
Speaker 10: No, this lady lives down the street. She's born and

3805
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:31,600
Speaker 10: raised here.

3806
03:09:32,080 --> 03:09:35,560
Speaker 8: She opens it up and she says to us who

3807
03:09:35,600 --> 03:09:38,480
Speaker 8: flew in from America to be like, yo, we want

3808
03:09:38,480 --> 03:09:41,320
Speaker 8: to try some coffee. Opens the app and says, hey,

3809
03:09:41,720 --> 03:09:44,080
Speaker 8: this is the farmer, this where it is this how

3810
03:09:44,160 --> 03:09:46,040
Speaker 8: much he wants this, how much he asking for it?

3811
03:09:46,360 --> 03:09:49,280
Speaker 8: Here's our price. But I'm looking at the app that's

3812
03:09:49,280 --> 03:09:52,840
Speaker 8: what he's charging. And then I know she's adding a

3813
03:09:52,920 --> 03:09:56,680
Speaker 8: third of that price because the other third of what

3814
03:09:56,760 --> 03:10:00,240
Speaker 8: she's asking for is literally paying for the hospital that's

3815
03:10:00,280 --> 03:10:02,640
Speaker 8: across the street. So it makes perfect sense to me.

3816
03:10:02,920 --> 03:10:05,160
Speaker 8: And I'm looking at it and I'm like, Okay, cool,

3817
03:10:05,600 --> 03:10:08,200
Speaker 8: I know how much the shipping container costs because I'm

3818
03:10:08,280 --> 03:10:08,720
Speaker 8: seeing it.

3819
03:10:09,200 --> 03:10:11,360
Speaker 3: Of course I got to pay for shipping. What did

3820
03:10:11,400 --> 03:10:12,119
Speaker 3: you talking about?

3821
03:10:12,280 --> 03:10:15,280
Speaker 8: So it's all transparent, it all makes sense, and it's

3822
03:10:15,320 --> 03:10:21,160
Speaker 8: all regentitive financially in climate wise. Once we buy it,

3823
03:10:21,879 --> 03:10:25,720
Speaker 8: I can see if she paid the farmer, because that's

3824
03:10:25,760 --> 03:10:28,199
Speaker 8: also in the app. So once the farmer gets his money,

3825
03:10:28,600 --> 03:10:32,000
Speaker 8: takes a picture, got the money, screenshot received, and then

3826
03:10:32,240 --> 03:10:34,320
Speaker 8: a portion of that money is given in cash so

3827
03:10:34,360 --> 03:10:36,760
Speaker 8: that you could pay the kids that picked your farm.

3828
03:10:37,160 --> 03:10:40,280
Speaker 3: Click saw that. That's in the app. Right as that.

3829
03:10:40,240 --> 03:10:43,080
Speaker 8: Stuff is shipped across the country or across the ocean,

3830
03:10:43,520 --> 03:10:46,600
Speaker 8: you can put in all of the roasting notes, which

3831
03:10:46,640 --> 03:10:48,959
Speaker 8: are kind of lame if you're not really into stuff

3832
03:10:48,959 --> 03:10:52,959
Speaker 8: like that. And then finally the sealed bag that says

3833
03:10:53,240 --> 03:10:57,520
Speaker 8: here's one from Denver, Queen City Collective Coffee right that. Hey, look,

3834
03:10:57,720 --> 03:11:00,720
Speaker 8: this is a Honduras being. We bought it this price,

3835
03:11:01,080 --> 03:11:04,200
Speaker 8: and then when you pay it's called a third cost.

3836
03:11:04,480 --> 03:11:07,600
Speaker 8: When you buy the bag, there's an extra dollar added

3837
03:11:07,600 --> 03:11:09,720
Speaker 8: to the cost of the bag, and that extra dollar

3838
03:11:10,200 --> 03:11:11,520
Speaker 8: does not go to the roaster.

3839
03:11:11,680 --> 03:11:12,960
Speaker 10: It goes back to the farmer.

3840
03:11:13,400 --> 03:11:13,800
Speaker 3: You know how.

3841
03:11:13,800 --> 03:11:16,040
Speaker 8: I know because there's a QR code. You could check

3842
03:11:16,080 --> 03:11:19,680
Speaker 8: it and the farmer can confirm if they got they money.

3843
03:11:19,879 --> 03:11:25,000
Speaker 8: It's transparency. It's us taking care of us. So obviously,

3844
03:11:25,040 --> 03:11:27,440
Speaker 8: because the world works the way it works. If this

3845
03:11:27,520 --> 03:11:30,600
Speaker 8: continues to be financially viable, here's some of the things

3846
03:11:30,680 --> 03:11:32,800
Speaker 8: we could do. One is we could start drinking more

3847
03:11:32,879 --> 03:11:36,000
Speaker 8: robustica like everybody else, and it's actually delicious if you

3848
03:11:36,000 --> 03:11:38,360
Speaker 8: could find a good roaster. And Tabby is a great

3849
03:11:38,440 --> 03:11:42,040
Speaker 8: roaster New Yen Supply. She's amazing. She does cold brew

3850
03:11:42,320 --> 03:11:45,800
Speaker 8: and like Vietnamese coffee, it's robustica. But then there's other

3851
03:11:45,879 --> 03:11:49,920
Speaker 8: spots across the world. It's going to cost a little more,

3852
03:11:50,040 --> 03:11:52,199
Speaker 8: but I'm telling you why it costs a little more

3853
03:11:52,600 --> 03:11:58,720
Speaker 8: because they come from a multiculture land that uses indigenous practices.

3854
03:11:59,080 --> 03:12:01,840
Speaker 8: That has lowered its car and footprint, that is direct

3855
03:12:01,840 --> 03:12:03,920
Speaker 8: traded and has transparency.

3856
03:12:04,440 --> 03:12:07,320
Speaker 10: This is not a list of everybody doing this.

3857
03:12:07,400 --> 03:12:10,000
Speaker 8: These are the listed of people that I know personally

3858
03:12:10,280 --> 03:12:11,720
Speaker 8: and people that have researched.

3859
03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:16,199
Speaker 10: So in North Caak and South Cak you got Black.

3860
03:12:15,920 --> 03:12:20,080
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3861
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3862
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3863
03:12:29,879 --> 03:12:32,879
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3864
03:12:32,920 --> 03:12:38,360
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3865
03:12:38,400 --> 03:12:40,560
Speaker 8: doing its best to make sure that this being stays

3866
03:12:40,600 --> 03:12:43,279
Speaker 8: on this planet. So I'll link in the show notes

3867
03:12:43,600 --> 03:12:45,720
Speaker 8: all of the data that I'm pulling this from and

3868
03:12:46,760 --> 03:12:49,960
Speaker 8: ways for which you can connect with like very socially

3869
03:12:50,000 --> 03:12:57,879
Speaker 8: responsible and climate responsible coffee roasters Geez only sixteen years old.

3870
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Speaker 3: Boy, I tell you that's the first lyric.

3871
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:00,600
Speaker 10: Yes, all.

3872
03:13:20,400 --> 03:13:22,640
Speaker 3: Its it could happen here. It's the podcast.

3873
03:13:23,080 --> 03:13:27,080
Speaker 4: I didn't write an intro for this because everything, everything

3874
03:13:27,120 --> 03:13:30,720
Speaker 4: incredibly sucks. This is the podcast where bad things happened.

3875
03:13:31,280 --> 03:13:33,240
Speaker 4: I'm your host with me as Garrison.

3876
03:13:33,440 --> 03:13:36,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a lot of bad things the past week,

3877
03:13:36,720 --> 03:13:40,440
Speaker 5: past year, but the past week and a half it's

3878
03:13:40,480 --> 03:13:41,240
Speaker 5: been pretty bad.

3879
03:13:41,800 --> 03:13:43,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, And one of the things that's been very bad

3880
03:13:43,959 --> 03:13:47,920
Speaker 4: is literally everything Israel has been up to, like I mean,

3881
03:13:47,959 --> 03:13:52,000
Speaker 4: since it was founded, but the last three four weeks,

3882
03:13:52,080 --> 03:13:55,480
Speaker 4: somehow things have gotten worse, which is a sort of

3883
03:13:55,600 --> 03:13:58,920
Speaker 4: unbelievable thing to say about a genocide, but it's expanding.

3884
03:13:59,400 --> 03:14:03,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, there is at the end of this one

3885
03:14:03,240 --> 03:14:05,879
Speaker 4: of the most bizarre trunk quotes I've ever seen. So

3886
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:07,680
Speaker 4: that's why I promise to you to stick with this.

3887
03:14:07,920 --> 03:14:12,680
Speaker 4: But oh boy, everything is very, very bad. So we

3888
03:14:12,800 --> 03:14:16,320
Speaker 4: now have I guess I don't even know if France

3889
03:14:16,520 --> 03:14:18,840
Speaker 4: is the right way to talk about this. But what

3890
03:14:18,920 --> 03:14:23,240
Speaker 4: we have in Gaza, which is where the main Israeli

3891
03:14:23,240 --> 03:14:26,720
Speaker 4: offensive is going right now, well we'll get into that.

3892
03:14:26,720 --> 03:14:28,959
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of stuff in Lebanon too, where they're

3893
03:14:29,080 --> 03:14:34,640
Speaker 4: pulling troops to, but in Gaza, everything just continues to

3894
03:14:34,720 --> 03:14:37,520
Speaker 4: get worse, even though so these Raelis have pulled out

3895
03:14:37,600 --> 03:14:40,120
Speaker 4: some troops from Gaza, but they're also still making another

3896
03:14:40,160 --> 03:14:44,000
Speaker 4: offensive into northern Gaza. And the thing about the way

3897
03:14:44,000 --> 03:14:47,000
Speaker 4: that the Israelis make offensive into places is that the

3898
03:14:47,040 --> 03:14:49,280
Speaker 4: thing that the Israelis do is they just immediately start

3899
03:14:49,320 --> 03:14:50,240
Speaker 4: shooting at hospitals.

3900
03:14:50,840 --> 03:14:54,039
Speaker 3: So that's been a big part of what's happening.

3901
03:14:54,520 --> 03:14:58,400
Speaker 5: Something that used to be like controversial and like widely

3902
03:14:58,480 --> 03:15:01,960
Speaker 5: newsworthy a year ago attacks on hospitals now have become

3903
03:15:02,080 --> 03:15:06,360
Speaker 5: so normalized and he sensitized that it doesn't even make headlines,

3904
03:15:06,400 --> 03:15:10,280
Speaker 5: which that's been one of the most indicative factors that

3905
03:15:10,879 --> 03:15:12,760
Speaker 5: this has gone about as bad as it could have.

3906
03:15:13,360 --> 03:15:16,880
Speaker 5: I remember a year ago, we were like debating whether

3907
03:15:17,040 --> 03:15:21,080
Speaker 5: or not the Israeli military intentionally like struck a hospital,

3908
03:15:21,480 --> 03:15:23,440
Speaker 5: and this was like this was like a week's long

3909
03:15:23,480 --> 03:15:26,440
Speaker 5: debate trying to figure out what exactly happened. And now

3910
03:15:26,520 --> 03:15:30,120
Speaker 5: attacks on hospitals are just complete commonplace. It's like we've

3911
03:15:30,160 --> 03:15:31,279
Speaker 5: just totally lost.

3912
03:15:31,840 --> 03:15:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean, you know, like it's not even

3913
03:15:35,240 --> 03:15:38,240
Speaker 4: just that that the Israelis are deliberately targeting hospitals, it's

3914
03:15:38,280 --> 03:15:41,920
Speaker 4: that the temporary facilities people have been trying to set

3915
03:15:42,000 --> 03:15:45,400
Speaker 4: up because the hospitals are being blown up are also being.

3916
03:15:45,200 --> 03:15:49,320
Speaker 5: Attacked, Yeah, which has also been going on for ages, Yeah,

3917
03:15:49,360 --> 03:15:51,560
Speaker 5: almost a year now, like almost immediately as soon as

3918
03:15:51,600 --> 03:15:55,920
Speaker 5: like humanitarian aid and like and like like impromptu medical

3919
03:15:56,000 --> 03:15:59,320
Speaker 5: tents were set up. Those were also the targets, and

3920
03:15:59,360 --> 03:16:00,720
Speaker 5: this is this is all discontinued.

3921
03:16:01,360 --> 03:16:03,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the thing that's you know, it's

3922
03:16:03,480 --> 03:16:06,800
Speaker 4: bleak about it, right is like I mean, I mean,

3923
03:16:06,800 --> 03:16:08,080
Speaker 4: it's not the thing. The thing that's bleak about it

3924
03:16:08,120 --> 03:16:10,560
Speaker 4: is that they're blowing up hospitals. But I mean, we've

3925
03:16:10,600 --> 03:16:13,360
Speaker 4: reached a point into this where it's not even newsory

3926
03:16:13,480 --> 03:16:17,560
Speaker 4: but be the Israelis don't even like attempt to justify

3927
03:16:17,600 --> 03:16:19,720
Speaker 4: it anymore. I mean, if you if you remember a

3928
03:16:19,800 --> 03:16:22,039
Speaker 4: year ago when they were doing this, it'd be all

3929
03:16:22,080 --> 03:16:25,520
Speaker 4: of the stuff about how, oh we found Homas tunnels

3930
03:16:25,600 --> 03:16:28,280
Speaker 4: under the hospitals, and there's just not event anymore. They're

3931
03:16:28,360 --> 03:16:32,560
Speaker 4: just they're just shooting at hospitals. Sometimes they give evacuation orders.

3932
03:16:32,600 --> 03:16:34,959
Speaker 4: They've been That's the other thing that's been happening periodically

3933
03:16:35,160 --> 03:16:40,640
Speaker 4: is the Israelis keep basically you know, in places in

3934
03:16:40,680 --> 03:16:42,879
Speaker 4: northern Gaza, they'll be like everyone has to leave now,

3935
03:16:43,400 --> 03:16:45,480
Speaker 4: and then they'll bomb it and they'll keep bombing it.

3936
03:16:46,280 --> 03:16:48,080
Speaker 4: Part of the thing about covering Gaza, right is all

3937
03:16:48,120 --> 03:16:51,080
Speaker 4: of the stuff that we're saying is stuff that was

3938
03:16:51,120 --> 03:16:53,720
Speaker 4: a major news story like six months ago, and is

3939
03:16:53,760 --> 03:16:56,800
Speaker 4: no longer a major news story because the slaughter has

3940
03:16:56,840 --> 03:17:01,320
Speaker 4: become just sort of so rutinized. But you know, so

3941
03:17:01,440 --> 03:17:06,320
Speaker 4: people are fleeing from northern Gaza into what's supposed to

3942
03:17:06,320 --> 03:17:09,040
Speaker 4: be the safe zone in central Gaza, except that Israelis

3943
03:17:09,120 --> 03:17:11,720
Speaker 4: keeps shooting at their refugee camps in central Gaza, so

3944
03:17:12,120 --> 03:17:18,920
Speaker 4: it's not actually there's there's not actually a place you

3945
03:17:19,040 --> 03:17:24,760
Speaker 4: can be in Gaza where you're not getting bombed. What

3946
03:17:24,800 --> 03:17:28,080
Speaker 4: there is is some places sometimes are less bombed than

3947
03:17:28,120 --> 03:17:33,600
Speaker 4: other places. And you know, I think there had been

3948
03:17:33,680 --> 03:17:38,880
Speaker 4: a tiny amount of hope that the only conceivable upside

3949
03:17:38,920 --> 03:17:40,600
Speaker 4: about the invasion of Lebanon was that there would be

3950
03:17:40,600 --> 03:17:42,400
Speaker 4: a pull out of troops and we'd see less offensive.

3951
03:17:42,680 --> 03:17:44,840
Speaker 4: But you know, they've just been escalating bombing campaigns and

3952
03:17:44,879 --> 03:17:48,720
Speaker 4: are doing some offensive anyways. So yeah, there's there's there's

3953
03:17:48,720 --> 03:17:53,200
Speaker 4: continuingly sort of Israeli attacks into into partial northern Gaza.

3954
03:17:54,280 --> 03:17:57,080
Speaker 4: The other big thing, and this is what most of

3955
03:17:57,120 --> 03:18:00,680
Speaker 4: this episode is going to be about, is a new front.

3956
03:18:00,760 --> 03:18:03,920
Speaker 4: After already having like having this entire thing in Gauza.

3957
03:18:04,240 --> 03:18:06,040
Speaker 4: There was also like an invasion of the West Bank,

3958
03:18:06,520 --> 03:18:09,600
Speaker 4: which again is like I don't know how to express

3959
03:18:09,640 --> 03:18:11,520
Speaker 4: how insane it is to have a war where you're

3960
03:18:11,560 --> 03:18:16,080
Speaker 4: nominally fighting against Hamas and then invade the West Bank,

3961
03:18:16,120 --> 03:18:19,920
Speaker 4: a place where there isn't Hamas. But they've done that too.

3962
03:18:20,160 --> 03:18:21,600
Speaker 4: There's been parts of the West Bank, there's been a

3963
03:18:21,600 --> 03:18:24,560
Speaker 4: bunch of really troops and you know, we know they've

3964
03:18:24,560 --> 03:18:27,360
Speaker 4: been fighting in Yemen as much bombings in Yemen, but

3965
03:18:27,400 --> 03:18:30,920
Speaker 4: also now they've just straight up invaded Lebanon, And this

3966
03:18:31,000 --> 03:18:34,640
Speaker 4: is the sort of chain of events of this was

3967
03:18:35,840 --> 03:18:37,400
Speaker 4: I don't know if kicked off is the right word,

3968
03:18:37,440 --> 03:18:41,480
Speaker 4: but it was. It was dramatically accelerated by the assassination

3969
03:18:41,920 --> 03:18:45,640
Speaker 4: of Hassan Nosraala, who is I think most people are

3970
03:18:45,680 --> 03:18:47,400
Speaker 4: aware that he's the head of Hesbalon has been the

3971
03:18:47,440 --> 03:18:50,560
Speaker 4: head of this BLAS since like nineteen ninety two, which

3972
03:18:50,600 --> 03:18:53,200
Speaker 4: is longer than anyone who's on this episode right now

3973
03:18:53,200 --> 03:18:53,840
Speaker 4: has been alive.

3974
03:18:54,560 --> 03:18:56,840
Speaker 5: Was this the one who was killed in those like

3975
03:18:56,920 --> 03:19:00,959
Speaker 5: apartment like carpet carpet bombings? Yeah, yeah, so, I mean yeah,

3976
03:19:01,040 --> 03:19:04,640
Speaker 5: even still, assassination is a strong word for uh or

3977
03:19:05,160 --> 03:19:08,119
Speaker 5: I guess a light word for just bombing. Like it

3978
03:19:08,160 --> 03:19:11,120
Speaker 5: was like what three large apartment complexes.

3979
03:19:11,600 --> 03:19:14,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just obliterated a bunch of complexes with like

3980
03:19:14,760 --> 03:19:16,360
Speaker 4: something like eighty bunker busters.

3981
03:19:17,320 --> 03:19:18,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3982
03:19:18,520 --> 03:19:21,920
Speaker 4: So this is actually the second time that the Israelis

3983
03:19:21,920 --> 03:19:23,600
Speaker 4: have just straight up killed someone they were supposed to

3984
03:19:23,680 --> 03:19:26,680
Speaker 4: nominally be negotiating with. They killed the head of Hamas

3985
03:19:26,800 --> 03:19:30,720
Speaker 4: like in a ran. So you know, we talked about

3986
03:19:30,720 --> 03:19:34,600
Speaker 4: on this show the initial wave of attacks on Lebanon,

3987
03:19:34,640 --> 03:19:37,520
Speaker 4: which is the sort of the pager explosions, and the

3988
03:19:37,520 --> 03:19:40,360
Speaker 4: fallow up to the pager explosions was that they figured

3989
03:19:40,360 --> 03:19:44,000
Speaker 4: out what bunker that ISRAELA was in and they just

3990
03:19:44,120 --> 03:19:47,760
Speaker 4: killed him. This is extremely bad for a lot of reasons,

3991
03:19:47,879 --> 03:19:52,640
Speaker 4: one of which is that has blawed kind of hadn't

3992
03:19:53,000 --> 03:19:56,280
Speaker 4: really been on full war footing until this point. Like

3993
03:19:56,400 --> 03:19:59,000
Speaker 4: they've been doing a bunch of rocket attacks on northern Israel,

3994
03:19:59,080 --> 03:20:01,160
Speaker 4: right and they've been these sort of exchanges of rocket

3995
03:20:01,160 --> 03:20:05,720
Speaker 4: fire across the border, but they hadn't really escalated beyond that.

3996
03:20:06,280 --> 03:20:09,000
Speaker 4: And then the Israelis were like, well, just fuck it, okay,

3997
03:20:09,000 --> 03:20:13,880
Speaker 4: we want our invasion of Lebanon. Andraal was kind of like,

3998
03:20:14,240 --> 03:20:16,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if like moderating force is quite the

3999
03:20:16,280 --> 03:20:20,280
Speaker 4: right term here, but his policy wasn't that Hesbolah was

4000
03:20:20,320 --> 03:20:23,000
Speaker 4: going to fight a total war against Israel, and the

4001
03:20:23,000 --> 03:20:25,800
Speaker 4: Israelis just fucking murdered him anyways, So we should probably

4002
03:20:25,800 --> 03:20:28,800
Speaker 4: talk about who Nosrauala is. He's not from like the

4003
03:20:28,920 --> 03:20:33,240
Speaker 4: original Hesbela cadres, from from the original Lebanese of war

4004
03:20:33,560 --> 03:20:36,080
Speaker 4: when the emergenes in eighty two. He's not from that cadre.

4005
03:20:36,120 --> 03:20:40,400
Speaker 4: But he's a pretty old school Hesbola guy by this point.

4006
03:20:40,800 --> 03:20:42,600
Speaker 4: He's you know, I've talking about like he's been in

4007
03:20:42,680 --> 03:20:45,040
Speaker 4: charge of Hesbelog for fucking ever. Like I am not

4008
03:20:45,080 --> 03:20:46,720
Speaker 4: old enough to remember a time when he was not

4009
03:20:46,800 --> 03:20:50,000
Speaker 4: in charge of Hesblah because I wasn't born yet, I

4010
03:20:50,000 --> 03:20:51,840
Speaker 4: don't know he's he's one of the people who's seen

4011
03:20:52,280 --> 03:20:59,040
Speaker 4: Hesbelah's sort of expansion and also seen Hesbelod be able

4012
03:20:59,120 --> 03:21:02,400
Speaker 4: to be like the only of the sort of major

4013
03:21:03,040 --> 03:21:06,040
Speaker 4: Lebanese political parties who were in the negotiations to end

4014
03:21:06,040 --> 03:21:08,959
Speaker 4: the civil war kind of oversaw the process of Hesbela

4015
03:21:09,000 --> 03:21:13,320
Speaker 4: being like the only armed party like left in Lebanon

4016
03:21:13,360 --> 03:21:16,320
Speaker 4: other than like the regular army right. He was also

4017
03:21:16,440 --> 03:21:21,320
Speaker 4: very famously in charge of Hesbela's I don't know how

4018
03:21:21,320 --> 03:21:23,480
Speaker 4: exactly you wanted. I don't know, there's a whole bunch

4019
03:21:23,520 --> 03:21:25,360
Speaker 4: of stuff about how the war in two thousand and

4020
03:21:25,360 --> 03:21:29,920
Speaker 4: six started. But in two thousand and six, Israel made

4021
03:21:29,920 --> 03:21:32,360
Speaker 4: this attempt to sort of like do their big anti

4022
03:21:32,440 --> 03:21:33,279
Speaker 4: Hesbelah push.

4023
03:21:33,520 --> 03:21:38,119
Speaker 3: They invaded Lebanon, and Israel didn't do very well.

4024
03:21:38,520 --> 03:21:40,680
Speaker 4: They were expecting, and I think what most people were

4025
03:21:40,680 --> 03:21:43,440
Speaker 4: expecting Hesbla to fight like, you know, like a gorilla army,

4026
03:21:43,520 --> 03:21:45,920
Speaker 4: right doing hit a run attacks, doing doing the sort

4027
03:21:45,959 --> 03:21:48,800
Speaker 4: of like the whole sort of last century of gorilla

4028
03:21:48,840 --> 03:21:49,600
Speaker 4: hit and run campaigns.

4029
03:21:49,600 --> 03:21:50,400
Speaker 3: And they didn't do that.

4030
03:21:50,600 --> 03:21:52,840
Speaker 4: They basically they sat there and fought like a conventional

4031
03:21:52,959 --> 03:21:55,200
Speaker 4: army with a bunch of bunker networks. And the Israelis

4032
03:21:55,280 --> 03:21:58,520
Speaker 4: did extremely poorly in that war. And I think this

4033
03:21:59,200 --> 03:22:01,760
Speaker 4: is influenced a lot of the way that people were

4034
03:22:01,760 --> 03:22:03,720
Speaker 4: thinking about how this how this fight was going to work,

4035
03:22:03,800 --> 03:22:05,040
Speaker 4: and it hasn't.

4036
03:22:06,160 --> 03:22:09,000
Speaker 3: But you know the fact that Hesbla was able to

4037
03:22:09,000 --> 03:22:09,360
Speaker 3: sort of.

4038
03:22:09,280 --> 03:22:12,200
Speaker 4: Stave off the initial attack and then the Israelis spent

4039
03:22:12,360 --> 03:22:15,720
Speaker 4: like forty more days doing a bombing campaign and everyone

4040
03:22:15,760 --> 03:22:19,320
Speaker 4: just called it quits was absolutely huge for Hesbela as

4041
03:22:19,320 --> 03:22:24,440
Speaker 4: a political force. Unfortunately for them, I guess they burned

4042
03:22:24,640 --> 03:22:28,160
Speaker 4: an unbelievable amount of that political capital that they they'd

4043
03:22:28,200 --> 03:22:31,160
Speaker 4: gotten from being really the first people in a long

4044
03:22:31,200 --> 03:22:34,520
Speaker 4: time to like actually be able to viably claim that

4045
03:22:34,560 --> 03:22:37,959
Speaker 4: they defeated Israel. And I mean, it's obviously like both

4046
03:22:38,040 --> 03:22:40,600
Speaker 4: both sides of that declared victory, but Hesblood puts up

4047
03:22:40,640 --> 03:22:43,000
Speaker 4: a better fight against the Israelis and like it's like

4048
03:22:43,040 --> 03:22:46,240
Speaker 4: stops their ground advance in a way that like was

4049
03:22:46,879 --> 03:22:50,160
Speaker 4: almost unimaginable at that point, even though Hesbola had sort

4050
03:22:50,200 --> 03:22:53,440
Speaker 4: of fought pretty well during the Lebanies of the world,

4051
03:22:53,600 --> 03:22:55,320
Speaker 4: is better than most of the other sort of like

4052
03:22:55,360 --> 03:22:58,560
Speaker 4: anti Israeli factions that weren't a state, and even I

4053
03:22:58,600 --> 03:23:00,120
Speaker 4: mean even most of the states that a thought as

4054
03:23:00,120 --> 03:23:02,360
Speaker 4: you have done extremely poorly. We're going to go to

4055
03:23:02,440 --> 03:23:04,160
Speaker 4: ads and then when we come back, we're going to

4056
03:23:04,240 --> 03:23:07,400
Speaker 4: talk a bit about how has a Blot's position weakened

4057
03:23:07,440 --> 03:23:10,360
Speaker 4: and how the Israelis have just sort of decided that

4058
03:23:10,400 --> 03:23:14,160
Speaker 4: this is a moment they can just murder everyone in

4059
03:23:23,200 --> 03:23:27,360
Speaker 4: So we are back with more I guess very very

4060
03:23:27,360 --> 03:23:30,160
Speaker 4: short summary of what has Bust been up to over

4061
03:23:30,160 --> 03:23:34,959
Speaker 4: the last about thirty years. So part of the reason

4062
03:23:35,360 --> 03:23:39,320
Speaker 4: that things haven't been going enormously well for HESB Law

4063
03:23:39,520 --> 03:23:41,879
Speaker 4: is that a lot of their capacity was weakened by

4064
03:23:41,920 --> 03:23:46,360
Speaker 4: the fact that HESBA Law during Theuserian Civil War through

4065
03:23:46,440 --> 03:23:50,840
Speaker 4: their entire backing behind the SAD and this was like

4066
03:23:51,080 --> 03:23:55,160
Speaker 4: hideously unpopular for I think, I think reasons that are

4067
03:23:55,160 --> 03:23:58,160
Speaker 4: obvious most people listening. But one of the big ones

4068
03:23:58,480 --> 03:24:04,240
Speaker 4: is it's hitting unpopular in like in Palestine, I got

4069
03:24:04,480 --> 03:24:06,040
Speaker 4: I guess who ran the poll, but there so there's

4070
03:24:06,040 --> 03:24:07,840
Speaker 4: a fairy famous pole that was showing like the disapproval

4071
03:24:07,959 --> 03:24:10,640
Speaker 4: rating in paleside different world leaders. I mean they didn't

4072
03:24:10,680 --> 03:24:13,440
Speaker 4: pull in net Yahoo because obviously like is net Yahoo,

4073
03:24:13,480 --> 03:24:15,160
Speaker 4: but like the two highest ones that weren't in net

4074
03:24:15,160 --> 03:24:17,879
Speaker 4: in Yahoo were it was like Biden at eighty percent,

4075
03:24:18,360 --> 03:24:21,600
Speaker 4: and then slightly higher than Biden was Bashar al Assad

4076
03:24:22,440 --> 03:24:26,360
Speaker 4: because he is hideously unpopular, partially for a bunch of

4077
03:24:26,360 --> 03:24:29,560
Speaker 4: shit that he did in a very very large Palasinian

4078
03:24:29,640 --> 03:24:32,520
Speaker 4: refugee camp there that you know has been a lot

4079
03:24:32,560 --> 03:24:34,520
Speaker 4: fucking backed them for and so has well spent a

4080
03:24:34,520 --> 03:24:38,920
Speaker 4: lot of the last decade just sort of running around

4081
03:24:39,040 --> 03:24:42,800
Speaker 4: Syria backing the assaud rechime, and that I don't know Garrison.

4082
03:24:44,800 --> 03:24:45,720
Speaker 3: That doesn't make you.

4083
03:24:45,640 --> 03:24:48,760
Speaker 4: Popular anywhere other than like extremely weird sections of the

4084
03:24:48,800 --> 03:24:49,520
Speaker 4: American left.

4085
03:24:50,160 --> 03:24:52,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess some of the American right.

4086
03:24:52,879 --> 03:24:55,360
Speaker 4: When you're backing a guy who is just like who

4087
03:24:55,480 --> 03:24:58,039
Speaker 4: was doing a thing the Israelis do, like obviously on

4088
03:24:58,040 --> 03:25:00,680
Speaker 4: a smaller scale, but like shooting up like palsi refugee cans.

4089
03:25:00,680 --> 03:25:02,000
Speaker 3: He's not going to be enormously popular.

4090
03:25:02,160 --> 03:25:07,280
Speaker 5: Whenever there's a guy who's like seriously maimed your family members, yeah,

4091
03:25:07,320 --> 03:25:09,240
Speaker 5: it's pretty pretty easy to dislike him.

4092
03:25:09,680 --> 03:25:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like whatever things that's going on in the

4093
03:25:12,120 --> 03:25:15,920
Speaker 4: story that like we need a fucking seventy part episode

4094
03:25:15,920 --> 03:25:20,560
Speaker 4: to talk about. But Syria occupied a bunch of Lebanon

4095
03:25:21,480 --> 03:25:24,320
Speaker 4: for a long time, and that also like hasn't made

4096
03:25:24,360 --> 03:25:28,720
Speaker 4: him enormously popular in the region. But you know, Heswal's

4097
03:25:28,720 --> 03:25:30,560
Speaker 4: position is that they like they have the slogan that

4098
03:25:30,640 --> 03:25:33,640
Speaker 4: goes the road to Jerusalem runs to Aleppo, which is

4099
03:25:33,680 --> 03:25:36,320
Speaker 4: just like just not how any of this has worked.

4100
03:25:36,360 --> 03:25:39,480
Speaker 4: It's been a complete fiasco. Has lost performance in Syria

4101
03:25:40,040 --> 03:25:44,600
Speaker 4: hasn't been very good. Can you explain what that phrase means? Yeah, yeah, So,

4102
03:25:44,600 --> 03:25:46,480
Speaker 4: so the point of this basically was that in order

4103
03:25:46,520 --> 03:25:50,600
Speaker 4: to defeat the Zionists through some incredibly murky logic, like

4104
03:25:50,959 --> 03:25:53,640
Speaker 4: the Asad regime had to be kept in power, and

4105
03:25:53,680 --> 03:25:56,119
Speaker 4: this was this was a sort of the justification that

4106
03:25:56,320 --> 03:25:58,920
Speaker 4: was used by Hesbela to just send a bunch of

4107
03:25:58,959 --> 03:26:02,520
Speaker 4: troops there to ornate with a bunch of other different

4108
03:26:02,560 --> 03:26:03,080
Speaker 4: groups there.

4109
03:26:03,120 --> 03:26:04,000
Speaker 3: And I mean, like it's.

4110
03:26:03,840 --> 03:26:07,040
Speaker 4: It's a really terrible decision, both on a moral and

4111
03:26:07,080 --> 03:26:09,160
Speaker 4: a strategic level, in the sense that like it caused

4112
03:26:09,200 --> 03:26:11,480
Speaker 4: a rift between what it's supposed to be the resistance

4113
03:26:11,480 --> 03:26:14,680
Speaker 4: factions in Palestine, and it just killed a bunch of people,

4114
03:26:15,360 --> 03:26:18,240
Speaker 4: and like the Iranians are sending I don't actually know

4115
03:26:18,240 --> 03:26:19,480
Speaker 4: how many people know about the story, but one of

4116
03:26:19,560 --> 03:26:22,800
Speaker 4: the like terrifying things that's happening in this is that

4117
03:26:22,800 --> 03:26:25,160
Speaker 4: that there's a bunch of refugees from Afghanistan, you flee

4118
03:26:25,200 --> 03:26:29,640
Speaker 4: to Iran, and the Iranians like basically conscrict a bunch

4119
03:26:29,680 --> 03:26:31,760
Speaker 4: of these people and send them into Syria with rifles.

4120
03:26:32,760 --> 03:26:34,440
Speaker 4: So it's like these people are like fighting alongside has

4121
03:26:34,480 --> 03:26:37,480
Speaker 4: blon Hesla. They don't do great because Hezeblah has always

4122
03:26:37,800 --> 03:26:42,240
Speaker 4: been good at fighting, like fairly obviously morally justified defensive

4123
03:26:42,280 --> 03:26:45,960
Speaker 4: wars inside of Lebanon and then they go off and

4124
03:26:46,120 --> 03:26:50,640
Speaker 4: fight basically like a semi imperial war in Syria.

4125
03:26:50,720 --> 03:26:51,640
Speaker 3: It's fucking shit show.

4126
03:26:52,800 --> 03:26:55,400
Speaker 4: And this has been extremely bad for their capacity, and

4127
03:26:55,680 --> 03:26:59,080
Speaker 4: it also really hurt has Blot politically because again it

4128
03:26:59,080 --> 03:27:03,039
Speaker 4: was also very very unpopular in Lebanon. And this kind

4129
03:27:03,080 --> 03:27:06,760
Speaker 4: of all leads us to the last few weeks of

4130
03:27:07,320 --> 03:27:11,840
Speaker 4: like terrible shit that's been happening, where yeah, the Israelis

4131
03:27:11,920 --> 03:27:17,680
Speaker 4: just fucking launched this hideous bombing campaign, I mean just

4132
03:27:17,720 --> 03:27:20,280
Speaker 4: really just all over Lebanon, right, you know, most of

4133
03:27:20,320 --> 03:27:23,160
Speaker 4: the most of the reporting has been about their attacks

4134
03:27:23,160 --> 03:27:25,480
Speaker 4: in the south, but like, they've bombed the capital, they've

4135
03:27:25,480 --> 03:27:30,720
Speaker 4: bombed Tripoli, they've killed I think so far it's one

4136
03:27:30,760 --> 03:27:32,280
Speaker 4: of these things where the death counts kind of have

4137
03:27:32,360 --> 03:27:35,800
Speaker 4: stopped updating, but in the last few days it looks

4138
03:27:35,840 --> 03:27:39,560
Speaker 4: like they've killed about two thousand people. It's not enormously clear,

4139
03:27:40,080 --> 03:27:44,280
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's things that things have gotten extremely unbelievably bad.

4140
03:27:44,920 --> 03:27:48,720
Speaker 4: And this has also really, I think been a kind

4141
03:27:48,760 --> 03:27:53,280
Speaker 4: of mask off moment for both the US and the Israelis,

4142
03:27:53,320 --> 03:27:56,840
Speaker 4: where all of the things that they've been pretending for

4143
03:27:56,879 --> 03:27:59,520
Speaker 4: the last year they're just straight up saying that they

4144
03:27:59,520 --> 03:28:02,680
Speaker 4: don't believe anymore. I think that the best indicator of

4145
03:28:02,720 --> 03:28:06,840
Speaker 4: this is there's a White House press conference and Matthew Miller,

4146
03:28:06,879 --> 03:28:11,280
Speaker 4: who's one of the White House spokesperson answered a question about, Yeah,

4147
03:28:11,280 --> 03:28:14,480
Speaker 4: it's just about the conflicts, and he said, quote, yes,

4148
03:28:14,560 --> 03:28:17,800
Speaker 4: we do support Israel launching these incursions to degrade has

4149
03:28:17,879 --> 03:28:22,520
Speaker 4: blaws infrastructure, which like kind of sounds like a standard

4150
03:28:22,520 --> 03:28:24,000
Speaker 4: like the US words is real thing. But if you

4151
03:28:24,080 --> 03:28:27,600
Speaker 4: actually read into what that's saying, he's saying, the US's

4152
03:28:27,640 --> 03:28:29,680
Speaker 4: official position is no longer ret there trying to get

4153
03:28:29,680 --> 03:28:32,200
Speaker 4: a ceasefire. Right, That's that's what he's saying. This is

4154
03:28:32,360 --> 03:28:36,680
Speaker 4: immediate and active support for the israelis not not only

4155
03:28:36,720 --> 03:28:39,879
Speaker 4: not attempting to end the war, but expanding it into Lebanon.

4156
03:28:40,520 --> 03:28:43,720
Speaker 4: And this is something that like hadn't been in an

4157
03:28:43,760 --> 03:28:48,000
Speaker 4: explicit like war goal for Israel sort of until this point.

4158
03:28:48,560 --> 03:28:51,720
Speaker 4: The line had always been that the point of this

4159
03:28:51,959 --> 03:28:53,760
Speaker 4: was to bring back the hostages. Right, But like there's

4160
03:28:53,760 --> 03:28:57,360
Speaker 4: no fucking hostages in Lebanon, Like there isn't there just aren't, right,

4161
03:28:57,400 --> 03:28:58,960
Speaker 4: That's that's not how any of this works. And at

4162
03:28:58,959 --> 03:29:02,400
Speaker 4: this point all of the sort of pretenses falling away

4163
03:29:02,680 --> 03:29:06,120
Speaker 4: and it just degrading into this pure slaughter. And when

4164
03:29:06,120 --> 03:29:08,560
Speaker 4: we come back from this ADS, we're gonna wrap up

4165
03:29:08,760 --> 03:29:13,760
Speaker 4: with more stuff that mostly sucks. And also Trump's latest

4166
03:29:13,840 --> 03:29:15,400
Speaker 4: thing on this, which is very weird.

4167
03:29:26,160 --> 03:29:26,800
Speaker 3: We are back.

4168
03:29:27,560 --> 03:29:29,720
Speaker 4: So as this has been going on in the past

4169
03:29:29,760 --> 03:29:33,360
Speaker 4: couple of days, net Niyahoo posted a I don't even

4170
03:29:33,400 --> 03:29:35,640
Speaker 4: know how to describe it, one of the weirdest videos

4171
03:29:35,720 --> 03:29:40,000
Speaker 4: I've seen since, like that insane Kevin Bacon won that's

4172
03:29:40,120 --> 03:29:45,000
Speaker 4: just him threatening Lebanon. He says, quote, you have an

4173
03:29:45,000 --> 03:29:48,080
Speaker 4: opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss

4174
03:29:48,120 --> 03:29:50,160
Speaker 4: of a long war that will lead to destruction and

4175
03:29:50,200 --> 03:29:53,000
Speaker 4: suffering like we see in Gaza. She's just straight up

4176
03:29:53,040 --> 03:29:58,000
Speaker 4: threatening Lebanon as Israeli troops are moving across the borders.

4177
03:29:58,240 --> 03:30:01,800
Speaker 4: She's for occupying a tempted occupied He's just straight up saying,

4178
03:30:02,760 --> 03:30:05,920
Speaker 4: like Lebanon needs to just throw out Hesbela somehow, even

4179
03:30:05,959 --> 03:30:09,200
Speaker 4: though it's just like a political party. They need to

4180
03:30:09,240 --> 03:30:11,840
Speaker 4: completely destroy Hesbela somehow. Otherwise Israel is going to do

4181
03:30:11,840 --> 03:30:15,680
Speaker 4: to Lebanon when they've done to Gaza. And that I

4182
03:30:15,720 --> 03:30:18,840
Speaker 4: don't know is a unbelievably hideous expansion of the war.

4183
03:30:19,480 --> 03:30:22,120
Speaker 5: Could you give some context for like why Israel is

4184
03:30:22,160 --> 03:30:26,400
Speaker 5: making moves into Lebanon. We know, like they're targeting has Beila,

4185
03:30:26,800 --> 03:30:32,080
Speaker 5: but there's also like a degree of territorial dispute over

4186
03:30:32,440 --> 03:30:36,119
Speaker 5: where Israel ends and Lebanon begins. Yeah, that Israel has

4187
03:30:36,320 --> 03:30:39,879
Speaker 5: been kind of like wanting to increase tensions over for

4188
03:30:39,920 --> 03:30:42,760
Speaker 5: a while, and it feels like they're just using the

4189
03:30:42,800 --> 03:30:45,600
Speaker 5: war in Gaza as a cover to also try to

4190
03:30:45,680 --> 03:30:48,279
Speaker 5: claim like territory of southern Lebanon.

4191
03:30:48,879 --> 03:30:51,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean this gets into so I think

4192
03:30:51,320 --> 03:30:53,760
Speaker 4: there's three kind of reasons, and I think that are

4193
03:30:53,800 --> 03:30:57,680
Speaker 4: all overlapping factors for different groups of people, you know,

4194
03:30:57,680 --> 03:31:01,160
Speaker 4: because like dif different Israeli political factions, different sort of

4195
03:31:01,160 --> 03:31:04,640
Speaker 4: strategic like elements of the military set, et cetera, are

4196
03:31:04,680 --> 03:31:07,240
Speaker 4: doing things for sometimes overlapping sometimes different reasons. Like there's

4197
03:31:07,240 --> 03:31:10,640
Speaker 4: the obvious one, which is like, Okay, there's a dislike

4198
03:31:10,680 --> 03:31:13,000
Speaker 4: for has blawed, that's being that's been funneled because a

4199
03:31:13,040 --> 03:31:15,680
Speaker 4: bunch of people in settlements in northern Israel have been

4200
03:31:16,040 --> 03:31:18,240
Speaker 4: like have been evacuated because they keep getting bombed, right,

4201
03:31:18,280 --> 03:31:20,680
Speaker 4: and those people are unbelievably pissed off, and they've been

4202
03:31:20,720 --> 03:31:24,480
Speaker 4: pushing for this for a long time. There's the second one,

4203
03:31:24,520 --> 03:31:26,240
Speaker 4: which is I think the one that liberals use is

4204
03:31:26,360 --> 03:31:29,720
Speaker 4: like the excuse for the entire the entire genocide was wrong.

4205
03:31:29,800 --> 03:31:32,000
Speaker 4: But it is also true that net and Yahoo does

4206
03:31:32,120 --> 03:31:34,320
Speaker 4: like personally need this war to keep going because the

4207
03:31:34,360 --> 03:31:35,080
Speaker 4: moment the war.

4208
03:31:34,879 --> 03:31:37,080
Speaker 5: Stops, he's gonna be out of office. He's screwed.

4209
03:31:37,160 --> 03:31:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

4210
03:31:37,760 --> 03:31:39,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, So like that that's a personal extendent for net

4211
03:31:39,800 --> 03:31:42,920
Speaker 4: and Yahoo. There's also another one outside of the political

4212
03:31:42,959 --> 03:31:45,720
Speaker 4: pressure from from the northern settlers, and you know, the

4213
03:31:45,720 --> 03:31:47,800
Speaker 4: general idea has Bluffing and nen Yahoo personally, which is

4214
03:31:47,800 --> 03:31:50,920
Speaker 4: like Israeli sodas have always been, it's it's most extreme,

4215
03:31:51,080 --> 03:31:54,960
Speaker 4: like most sort of far right, most genocidal like political

4216
03:31:55,000 --> 03:31:59,160
Speaker 4: element right. But increasingly we're watching them get radicalized even

4217
03:31:59,200 --> 03:32:02,720
Speaker 4: further in real time, and we're watching them become increasingly powerful.

4218
03:32:03,200 --> 03:32:05,240
Speaker 4: And one of the things that those people want is

4219
03:32:05,280 --> 03:32:08,840
Speaker 4: they have this unbelievably deranged thing that I mean, I

4220
03:32:08,840 --> 03:32:12,240
Speaker 4: guess all nationalist movements eventually get to their greater whatever

4221
03:32:12,400 --> 03:32:16,120
Speaker 4: your country is thing, but they've entered the Greater Israel

4222
03:32:16,200 --> 03:32:19,880
Speaker 4: phase where they're talking about just like you're talking about

4223
03:32:19,959 --> 03:32:22,720
Speaker 4: Israel as this as a state that's supposed to like

4224
03:32:23,160 --> 03:32:26,080
Speaker 4: encompass like all of Lebanon, and like, I mean, I've

4225
03:32:26,080 --> 03:32:28,840
Speaker 4: seen so many different maps like encompassing a bunch of

4226
03:32:28,840 --> 03:32:29,560
Speaker 4: partial of Syria.

4227
03:32:30,400 --> 03:32:33,360
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, and this is also what's influenced their

4228
03:32:33,400 --> 03:32:35,880
Speaker 5: continued attacks in the West Bank, specifically in the past

4229
03:32:35,959 --> 03:32:39,560
Speaker 5: few months, where they're similarly using what's going on in Gaza,

4230
03:32:39,760 --> 03:32:42,520
Speaker 5: like hiding behind their own atrocities in Gaza as a

4231
03:32:42,560 --> 03:32:46,080
Speaker 5: cover to like try to actually claim more territory in

4232
03:32:46,120 --> 03:32:48,840
Speaker 5: the West Bank, or at least at least push more

4233
03:32:48,920 --> 03:32:52,720
Speaker 5: of like the Palestinian people out of their homes to

4234
03:32:52,800 --> 03:32:55,600
Speaker 5: expand the Israeli settlements. So I think both of these

4235
03:32:55,600 --> 03:32:59,959
Speaker 5: are kind of happening for similar reasons. And Israel's trying

4236
03:32:59,959 --> 03:33:03,240
Speaker 5: to like just weaponize the actual atrocities that are going

4237
03:33:03,240 --> 03:33:05,720
Speaker 5: on in Gaza as like a big shield because those

4238
03:33:05,720 --> 03:33:08,119
Speaker 5: are getting so much more attention, trying to get away

4239
03:33:08,120 --> 03:33:12,240
Speaker 5: with this territorial expansion in other areas, not just the Strip.

4240
03:33:13,120 --> 03:33:15,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean also I should say that there's

4241
03:33:15,200 --> 03:33:17,720
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of the people on the

4242
03:33:17,760 --> 03:33:21,600
Speaker 4: ground are pretty convinced that the Israelis are trying to

4243
03:33:21,840 --> 03:33:25,800
Speaker 4: basically just like completely ethnically cleanse like parts of the

4244
03:33:25,840 --> 03:33:30,560
Speaker 4: strip so they can annex it. And I mean it's

4245
03:33:30,600 --> 03:33:34,080
Speaker 4: not something that we like have, like we don't have

4246
03:33:34,160 --> 03:33:37,080
Speaker 4: like a document from Israeli High command that says we're

4247
03:33:37,080 --> 03:33:39,320
Speaker 4: going to annex all of this stuff, but it's it's

4248
03:33:39,600 --> 03:33:42,760
Speaker 4: something that's very least consistent with everything they've been doing.

4249
03:33:43,560 --> 03:33:45,360
Speaker 4: And this is also like another sort of one of

4250
03:33:45,400 --> 03:33:47,520
Speaker 4: the cyclical factors here. This is a cyclical factor behind

4251
03:33:47,520 --> 03:33:49,960
Speaker 4: the settlements. We've talked about this back when we did

4252
03:33:50,040 --> 03:33:52,879
Speaker 4: episodes about the West Bank, is that the is really

4253
03:33:52,959 --> 03:33:57,120
Speaker 4: housing market is such a fucking disaster and this this

4254
03:33:57,200 --> 03:33:58,720
Speaker 4: is something that you know, like this kind of real

4255
03:33:58,800 --> 03:34:02,240
Speaker 4: estate speculation shit, and the same way that like George Washington,

4256
03:34:03,120 --> 03:34:05,520
Speaker 4: as a real estate speculator was was sort of like

4257
03:34:05,600 --> 03:34:08,879
Speaker 4: motivated to do more attacks on indigenous land in the

4258
03:34:09,000 --> 03:34:11,840
Speaker 4: US and this sort of like fueled westward expansions. All

4259
03:34:11,840 --> 03:34:14,920
Speaker 4: these land speculators, you know, moved out, and people who

4260
03:34:14,920 --> 03:34:17,800
Speaker 4: couldn't afford like houses in like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem

4261
03:34:17,840 --> 03:34:21,800
Speaker 4: where housing prices are really high, those people have become

4262
03:34:21,879 --> 03:34:23,760
Speaker 4: this political force to keep pushing this and this is

4263
03:34:23,760 --> 03:34:27,560
Speaker 4: you know, fueling the expansion of the Israeli occupation into

4264
03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:31,440
Speaker 4: more and more places. Yeah, so right now where we're

4265
03:34:31,520 --> 03:34:35,320
Speaker 4: at with Lebanon is that one point two million people

4266
03:34:35,360 --> 03:34:39,879
Speaker 4: have fled their homes, Which is I mean, even if

4267
03:34:40,200 --> 03:34:43,200
Speaker 4: like the Israelis had literally done nothing else in the

4268
03:34:43,360 --> 03:34:46,240
Speaker 4: entire time that this has been happening, right, forcing one

4269
03:34:46,280 --> 03:34:48,440
Speaker 4: point two million people to flee their homes, is it

4270
03:34:48,520 --> 03:34:54,760
Speaker 4: an unimaginable level of suffering. And this is like just

4271
03:34:55,160 --> 03:34:57,879
Speaker 4: effectively being reported as a footnote in the fact that

4272
03:34:57,920 --> 03:35:00,000
Speaker 4: they've fucking done all of this other shit.

4273
03:35:00,160 --> 03:35:02,680
Speaker 5: And just in the past week and a half, they've

4274
03:35:02,840 --> 03:35:04,560
Speaker 5: killed thirteen hundred people.

4275
03:35:05,200 --> 03:35:08,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's insane, Like that's.

4276
03:35:07,920 --> 03:35:10,400
Speaker 5: More than the number of people who ever were killed

4277
03:35:10,400 --> 03:35:14,160
Speaker 5: in Israel on October like seventh. Yeah, that just doesn't

4278
03:35:14,160 --> 03:35:18,560
Speaker 5: matter because of like all of the racialized aspects of

4279
03:35:19,040 --> 03:35:22,320
Speaker 5: how of how like israel genocide campaign has been able

4280
03:35:22,320 --> 03:35:26,760
Speaker 5: to operate, Like you're not going to see memorials in

4281
03:35:26,800 --> 03:35:30,039
Speaker 5: the States or the thirteen for the thirteen hundred people

4282
03:35:30,080 --> 03:35:33,320
Speaker 5: killed in Lebanon the same way that we will for

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Speaker 5: October seventh.

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03:35:34,400 --> 03:35:36,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you might get them on a college campus for

4285
03:35:36,959 --> 03:35:37,840
Speaker 4: the cops destroy it.

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03:35:37,959 --> 03:35:42,040
Speaker 5: But like, that's and that's just in one week.

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03:35:42,120 --> 03:35:42,600
Speaker 3: It's over.

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03:35:42,920 --> 03:35:45,080
Speaker 5: They've done over a thousand air strikes the past week.

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03:35:45,320 --> 03:35:49,680
Speaker 5: They've killed all these people, and that's I don't Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I don't know what else to say.

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03:35:51,760 --> 03:35:55,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to close by on a slightly lighter

4292
03:35:55,920 --> 03:36:00,520
Speaker 4: note from this one of the like even by Trump's standards,

4293
03:36:00,520 --> 03:36:05,520
Speaker 4: an extremely weird quote that he gave about Gaza.

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03:36:05,760 --> 03:36:06,760
Speaker 3: This is from the Guardian.

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03:36:06,959 --> 03:36:09,560
Speaker 4: Quote asked by Hewitt, which is a guy whose podcast

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03:36:09,600 --> 03:36:12,640
Speaker 4: he was on, if Gaza could be transformed into Monaco

4297
03:36:12,720 --> 03:36:16,040
Speaker 4: if properly rebuilt, Trump replied to quote, it could be

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03:36:16,040 --> 03:36:18,240
Speaker 4: better than Monaco. It has the best location in the

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Speaker 4: Middle East, the best water, the best everything it's got.

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03:36:21,160 --> 03:36:24,160
Speaker 4: It's the best. I've said for years. I've been there,

4301
03:36:24,200 --> 03:36:26,040
Speaker 4: and it's rough. It's a rough place before all the

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03:36:26,080 --> 03:36:28,160
Speaker 4: attacks and back and forth it's happened over the last

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03:36:28,200 --> 03:36:30,800
Speaker 4: couple of years. He went on. I mean they have

4304
03:36:30,920 --> 03:36:32,800
Speaker 4: the back of a plant facing the ocean. You know,

4305
03:36:32,920 --> 03:36:35,440
Speaker 4: there was no ocean as far as that was concerned.

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03:36:35,480 --> 03:36:37,720
Speaker 4: They never took advantage of it. You know, as a developer,

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03:36:37,800 --> 03:36:39,880
Speaker 4: it could be the most beautiful place the weather, the water,

4308
03:36:40,000 --> 03:36:41,840
Speaker 4: the whole thing in the climate. It was so beautiful

4309
03:36:41,879 --> 03:36:43,360
Speaker 4: it could be the best thing in the Middle East.

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03:36:44,040 --> 03:36:46,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's in line with stuff that Kushner

4311
03:36:46,240 --> 03:36:48,480
Speaker 5: has been saying for a long time yep. And how

4312
03:36:48,640 --> 03:36:51,959
Speaker 5: they are hoping to turn Gaza into a part of Israel,

4313
03:36:51,959 --> 03:36:54,720
Speaker 5: specifically to do real estate development, to turn it into

4314
03:36:54,800 --> 03:36:56,840
Speaker 5: like a resort, to turn it into a golf course,

4315
03:36:57,240 --> 03:36:59,680
Speaker 5: and they're willing to kill tens of thousands of people

4316
03:36:59,720 --> 03:37:02,960
Speaker 5: to do it. And that is like the primary driver

4317
03:37:03,120 --> 03:37:06,039
Speaker 5: at least like for them, for like Trump's team, for

4318
03:37:06,200 --> 03:37:09,640
Speaker 5: why they are They're very happy to seet Nyahuu just

4319
03:37:09,640 --> 03:37:10,680
Speaker 5: do whatever he wants.

4320
03:37:11,959 --> 03:37:12,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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03:37:12,560 --> 03:37:15,800
Speaker 4: And I think there's something else here too, which is

4322
03:37:15,840 --> 03:37:21,080
Speaker 4: that like a lot of the kind of Marxist analysis

4323
03:37:21,120 --> 03:37:23,160
Speaker 4: of this from like a very sort of kind of

4324
03:37:23,160 --> 03:37:26,520
Speaker 4: Marxist has been about how Palestine has been rendered as

4325
03:37:26,560 --> 03:37:29,240
Speaker 4: like surplus population. This is the population that has been

4326
03:37:29,320 --> 03:37:33,359
Speaker 4: kicked out of the circuit of like capital accumulation. They're

4327
03:37:33,400 --> 03:37:36,840
Speaker 4: not necessary for capital to reproduce itself to make more capital,

4328
03:37:36,840 --> 03:37:39,200
Speaker 4: and so no one cares if you kill them. And

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03:37:39,280 --> 03:37:41,280
Speaker 4: I think that's wrong. And I think this quote is

4330
03:37:41,280 --> 03:37:44,120
Speaker 4: actually evidence of why they're wrong like this. You know,

4331
03:37:44,440 --> 03:37:46,880
Speaker 4: these people think purely, and like people like Trump right

4332
03:37:47,000 --> 03:37:49,120
Speaker 4: think purely in terms of economic assets, and there are

4333
03:37:49,520 --> 03:37:53,160
Speaker 4: there's an unbelievable amount of economic assets, like in Palestine

4334
03:37:53,520 --> 03:37:57,879
Speaker 4: that a regime that is like maybe only thirty percent

4335
03:37:58,160 --> 03:38:02,520
Speaker 4: less like hideously cruel and murderous like could have turned

4336
03:38:02,520 --> 03:38:05,480
Speaker 4: into viable economic engines. But the Israelis don't want that.

4337
03:38:05,879 --> 03:38:09,760
Speaker 4: They have made a decision, like an actual conscious decision

4338
03:38:09,800 --> 03:38:11,560
Speaker 4: that instead of trying to expect people for labor, they'd

4339
03:38:11,640 --> 03:38:13,240
Speaker 4: rather just fucking killed them all and try to steal

4340
03:38:13,280 --> 03:38:13,640
Speaker 4: their land.

4341
03:38:14,040 --> 03:38:14,240
Speaker 3: Right.

4342
03:38:14,680 --> 03:38:18,720
Speaker 4: They have decided that this fucking real estate speculation bullshit

4343
03:38:18,840 --> 03:38:20,879
Speaker 4: on a bunch of land that they're taking by just

4344
03:38:20,959 --> 03:38:24,040
Speaker 4: fucking slaughtering all of its inhabitants is more efficient for

4345
03:38:24,080 --> 03:38:28,480
Speaker 4: them than even doing fucking regular capitalism. And that's an

4346
03:38:28,480 --> 03:38:31,800
Speaker 4: absolutely fucking hideous note. And it's the kind of thing

4347
03:38:32,080 --> 03:38:35,000
Speaker 4: that Biden is saying okay to and Trump fucking loves

4348
03:38:35,120 --> 03:38:39,560
Speaker 4: because fundamentally, like Trump's fucking real estate brain is pro genocide,

4349
03:38:39,600 --> 03:38:43,520
Speaker 4: and Biden doesn't give a shit about stopping them, and

4350
03:38:43,600 --> 03:38:48,680
Speaker 4: he's also pro this. So yeah, the gears of genocide

4351
03:38:48,720 --> 03:38:54,680
Speaker 4: continue to grind. The Israelis are plotting their attack against

4352
03:38:54,680 --> 03:38:56,879
Speaker 4: Iran that they're going to do in response to Ron

4353
03:38:56,920 --> 03:39:02,280
Speaker 4: shooting missiles at them in response to them killing the

4354
03:39:02,360 --> 03:39:07,000
Speaker 4: leader of festival. I don't know by the time this

4355
03:39:07,040 --> 03:39:08,920
Speaker 4: comes out, it's possible that attack will have happened.

4356
03:39:08,959 --> 03:39:11,360
Speaker 3: They're going to do something. It's going to make everything worse.

4357
03:39:12,520 --> 03:39:17,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, until then, this has been an update on

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03:39:17,840 --> 03:39:21,600
Speaker 4: the genocide and Palestine and the new invasion of Lebanon.

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