Speaker 1: From the King of sports Books comes the Key Sports
Speaker 1: podcast Unleashed, presented by bet MGM. Here's your host, Jana's
Speaker 1: Papas and Olivia Harland Decker. Welcome in everybody. This is
Speaker 1: Unleashed by bet MGM, the King of Sports Books, and
Speaker 1: I love this weekend in the calendar, we have all
Speaker 1: the college football conference championships, So now the playoff picture
Speaker 1: comes together. We're gonna talk a lot about that in NFL.
Speaker 1: We are in December NFL play It gets so exciting here.
Speaker 1: This is where you gotta hit your stride, no looking back.
Speaker 1: Playoffs are fast approaching. It's gonna be good. But it
Speaker 1: was the Mets who made big headlines, giving their fans
Speaker 1: a huge ton of a gift earlier this week signing
Speaker 1: three times Cy Young winner Max Scherzer Janice Our Yankee
Speaker 1: fans a little bit nervous. Uh No, we're never nervous.
Speaker 1: The Evil Empire is never nervous about the Mets. Were
Speaker 1: nervous about a lot of things, but it's never the
Speaker 1: Mets or what's going on in Queens And yeah, congratulations
Speaker 1: to the New York Mets. It's beginning to look a
Speaker 1: lot like Christmas. Happy hanaka. That is a early Christmas
Speaker 1: or Hanakah gift, but it's not going to change the
Speaker 1: fate of what happens in Queens. Queens is a tragic
Speaker 1: place and the Mets are tragic franchise. Okay, that is
Speaker 1: ice cold. We have no space for that on this show, Jannice.
Speaker 1: We are a nice show. We have a sibling rivalry
Speaker 1: that you know you would know about because I know
Speaker 1: you and your sisters probably fought over sweaters, yes, including
Speaker 1: the one I'm wearing. We've got a great show coming up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk with NFL draft expert Matt Miller. He's
Speaker 1: got a lot to say about Lincoln Riley headed to USC,
Speaker 1: so do I, and he'll help us preview the huge
Speaker 1: conference championship games this weekend. I can't wait to pick
Speaker 1: his brain. He knows college football players better than anyone
Speaker 1: as he scouts them on their way to the NFL.
Speaker 1: And this is gonna be a fun weekend, Honice. I
Speaker 1: mentioned the SEC Championship in Atlanta. I am working it.
Speaker 1: As you know my backgrounds in sideline reporting. This is
Speaker 1: the only game I'm doing on the sideline this year
Speaker 1: for Westwood One Radio, So make sure you tune into
Speaker 1: the national radio broadcast, you'll hear your girl, and of
Speaker 1: course I'm at Georgia alum and it's George Obama. It
Speaker 1: is gonna be so much fun. It's my third time
Speaker 1: doing this game. I'm really excited, very excited for you,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be tuning in to watch our girl
Speaker 1: do her thing. To listen, I'm gonna be tuning in
Speaker 1: to listen and watch. I can, but I can watch
Speaker 1: in my mind's eye because I'm so used to seeing
Speaker 1: you that I just picture you there with your baby bump,
Speaker 1: even though you don't have it yet. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: getting yelled at by Sabing and I can't wait. I
Speaker 1: asked my husband, I said what should I wear for
Speaker 1: the game? And he said, are you serious? Why does
Speaker 1: it matter? I was like, I want to be festive,
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah. The listeners around the world are
Speaker 1: going to say, boy, she sounds like she's wearing sequence
Speaker 1: right right. Well, you know we're mostly listened to here too,
Speaker 1: so I could just assure my listeners that Olivia looks
Speaker 1: fabulous as always. No, I as I am so excited
Speaker 1: and it's cool to have Matt Miller preview this. Like
Speaker 1: I mentioned, he just he knows these players. So well,
Speaker 1: we'll talk Heisman nods, then we'll get to NFL picture,
Speaker 1: we'll talk MVP ods. So that's coming up. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. I love listening to Matt
Speaker 1: Miller talk. I mean, the guy is so knowledgeable. If
Speaker 1: there's anyone who could really get me into college football,
Speaker 1: it's you and him. So I can't wait to have
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Speaker 1: Make sure you listen to Matt Miller. Make sure you
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Speaker 1: a winner. Now it's time for us to sound off
Speaker 1: on one topic we feel passionately about this week, you know,
Speaker 1: the deally honest, it's time to unmake. It's time, okay,
Speaker 1: So what I want to ruin, Leshan is the college
Speaker 1: football playoff ranking. And be honest, I know you're not
Speaker 1: a big college football guy, so I'm kind of going
Speaker 1: to break this down for you and edge and mcate
Speaker 1: you on how this works. Because every conference, you know,
Speaker 1: their Power five conferences, and then there are a group
Speaker 1: of five conferences and they play their championship game this weekend.
Speaker 1: So you would think, right that the winner of every
Speaker 1: conference should then play each other in a playoff. Doesn't
Speaker 1: that make a lot of sense. It would make sense
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, that's kind of the problem. Like in
Speaker 1: the NFL, right, the winner of your division, you play
Speaker 1: in the conference championship. It makes way too much sense.
Speaker 1: But no, in college football, we make it much more
Speaker 1: complicated than that. We have a middy who ranks these
Speaker 1: teams based on eye test, strength of schedule, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So lo and behold. This is what's happening in a
Speaker 1: team like Cincinnati, who's in the American Conference, which is
Speaker 1: a group of six that's not one of your powerhouses.
Speaker 1: They are undefeated, they are twelve no, and they're in
Speaker 1: the picture. So the way this boils down, two games
Speaker 1: here really really matter this weekend. One is the SEC
Speaker 1: Championship Georgia and Alabama, because Alabama has a loss on
Speaker 1: their records, so if they lose to Georgia they are
Speaker 1: theoretically out of the playoff picture. Georgia is undefeated, the
Speaker 1: number one team in the country, and if they lose
Speaker 1: to Alabama they still will probably make the playoff. So
Speaker 1: that's interesting. But in the Big Ten it's Iowa and Michigan.
Speaker 1: Michigan just upside Ohio State, so Michigan is the number
Speaker 1: two team in the country. If Iowa were to beat them,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's not like Iowa then gets in
Speaker 1: the playoff. They're not good enough, they're not in the rankings,
Speaker 1: but Michigan and will be knocked out. So then it
Speaker 1: just creates all this chaos of who gets in blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. The reason I'm unleashing on this is because
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Notre Dame is independent. They are not in
Speaker 1: a conference, so they don't play a conference championship. Not
Speaker 1: to mention their head coach just bailed and it is
Speaker 1: going to l s U. But there is a way
Speaker 1: that Notre Dame still gets in the playoff ranking. Obviously,
Speaker 1: a couple of teams have to lose, like I mentioned,
Speaker 1: because they have to get knocked out. It drives me crazy.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to ask Matt Miller about this. Notre
Speaker 1: Dame in basketball and in I'm pretty sure all their
Speaker 1: other sports are in the a c C, which you
Speaker 1: know is that's Duke, North Carolina, Clemson. It's it's a
Speaker 1: good conference, it's a Power five conference. But in football, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: they're their own thing. They're independent. They have their own
Speaker 1: deal with NBC. They think they are so fancy, so
Speaker 1: much better than that, and they've made the playoff twice.
Speaker 1: So it bothers me that here in a world where
Speaker 1: you can have two great teams from in this case
Speaker 1: that CEC Bama and Georgia, who probably should honestly both
Speaker 1: make the playoff, that they could be knocked out by
Speaker 1: a Notre Dame team who doesn't even play this game.
Speaker 1: Do you see, honest just from like an outsider, how
Speaker 1: that seems twisted? Of course I do, And I really
Speaker 1: think this prevents a lot of casual fans who are
Speaker 1: outside of those local markets for getting involved and getting
Speaker 1: excited because you have to have a fucking economy degree
Speaker 1: or a statistician degree to understand what's going on. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to follow what you're saying, and all I'm
Speaker 1: thinking is this is stupid. It's ultimately what it will
Speaker 1: lead to is an expanded playoff, like right now they
Speaker 1: only have a four team playoff, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of rumors about how they're going to do it. Just
Speaker 1: to cutch you up, things move very slow in college football.
Speaker 1: They hate change. It's a bunch of old heads in
Speaker 1: charge and they hate change. But once there is an
Speaker 1: expanded playoff, then we are going to have these better games,
Speaker 1: more teams involved, a true playoff like we have in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and it's just gonna be a whole deal.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so keep your eyes peeled because if something
Speaker 1: crazy happens in the Big Ten Championship or the American Championship,
Speaker 1: which is Houston and Cincinnati. If Houston were to beat Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: just a lot would change. So you can always text
Speaker 1: me and I'll explain it to you. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it would take Your bubble is gonna have to be huge,
Speaker 1: because it really takes a lot to explain it. I mean,
Speaker 1: college football and baseball really need to sit down and
Speaker 1: understand that times are changing and they need to amend change,
Speaker 1: make it a little simpler. Jesus Christ. I bring up
Speaker 1: baseball because it's like, come on, guys, all right, I
Speaker 1: know it's America's past time, but you know kids are
Speaker 1: watching three second TikTok's. Can we do something to speed
Speaker 1: this freaking game up? Agreed? Anyway, that was beautiful, as always, Olivia, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Your points are always poignant, and I learned so much
Speaker 1: my unleashed this week is going to to be a celebration.
Speaker 1: I am not going off on anyone. I am going
Speaker 1: up on my Greek people. Wave your flags white and Navy,
Speaker 1: Carolina blue. The great people are back. Baby. We dominated
Speaker 1: his sports and I almost just broke my own desk
Speaker 1: because I'm so excited. George Combuss Jr. From Australia is
Speaker 1: the new lightweight heavyweight sorry, lightweight boxing champ. I almost
Speaker 1: called him a heavyweight because in my mind he's the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time and he's the best on the planet.
Speaker 1: But a huge upset beating Lopez this weekend. The boxing
Speaker 1: community has been shaking up. He was undefeated coming in,
Speaker 1: but that's the thing about boxing. He got these guys
Speaker 1: fighting over in Australia. Finally he comes into Lopez's backyard.
Speaker 1: Lopez considered one of the best pound for pound fighters
Speaker 1: on the planet, a top the lightweight division, and he
Speaker 1: drops him in the first round wins the fight. Lopez
Speaker 1: looked like a pizza after it was done. Was a
Speaker 1: sore loser, probably was concost talking about he won ten
Speaker 1: rounds out of the twelve. He obviously was not recovered
Speaker 1: from the first round knockdown because it was a beautiful
Speaker 1: performance from my as we say in Greek Patriati, my
Speaker 1: patriot brother Jordan's Jordagos Combosos, and now he is the
Speaker 1: top the division, and Greek sports are looking good, looking
Speaker 1: good right now. We got a boxing champion, we got
Speaker 1: two top five tennis players in the male and female
Speaker 1: tennis worlds. We have the best basketball player on the planet,
Speaker 1: and we always have John Stamos winning the most beautiful
Speaker 1: man on the planet. And Pete Sampraci is now bald,
Speaker 1: but he's still the third best tennis player ever, but
Speaker 1: he's bald. And we always got me who looks like
Speaker 1: John's day most if he was blind. So we have
Speaker 1: every category covered. The Gloria. Greece is coming back, baby.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to George Combos from Australia. Oh I love hearing
Speaker 1: you say all that. That was such a fun listen.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It's all Greek to you. But let me just tell
Speaker 1: you what happened this weekend in boxing was another Greek upset,
Speaker 1: akin to maybe the biggest sports upset of all time
Speaker 1: it's considered by most, which was when Greece one the
Speaker 1: soccer Euro Cup in two thousand and four, so he
Speaker 1: was a seven to one underdog going in against Lopez anyone,
Speaker 1: because you can never count the Greeks out. We always
Speaker 1: come back. That was beautiful. That really was That was beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's making me want some Bennett didn't goes Madres maybe
Speaker 1: whatever did? It made me hungry. You also said pizza
Speaker 1: in there, so that made me hungry too. On that note,
Speaker 1: let's bring in Matt Miller. For him, the NFL Draft
Speaker 1: isn't just over a few days in April. It's a
Speaker 1: three d sixty five days a year type of gig.
Speaker 1: The founder of the draft scout dot com ESPN draft
Speaker 1: analyst Matt Miller. Matt, thanks so much for joining us again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great to be back with you guys. And we've
Speaker 1: got like this little Missouri can actually go on for
Speaker 1: at least two thirds of the group here, So we'll
Speaker 1: have to we'll have to find a way to get
Speaker 1: everyone in Kansas City. I guess for the draft. Hey,
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be good? I know, And we've been having
Speaker 1: this great weather lately. This is awesome. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: it's weird. It's I have a company Christmas party next
Speaker 1: week and you can't break out the ugly Christmas sweater
Speaker 1: because it's like seventy degrees here right now. So but
Speaker 1: enough bragging about our wonderful Missouri weather. Yeah, Janice, how
Speaker 1: is it up there? It's good, and I'm scheduled actually
Speaker 1: to come down to Kansas City. I've been invited by
Speaker 1: Jackson Mahomes to collaborate on a TikTok, so hopefully we
Speaker 1: can get together and grab some stakes or something. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see us. If that were true, I'd
Speaker 1: go ahead and start looking for a new co host. Okay, Matt,
Speaker 1: let's get to the big story. Lincoln Riley's departure from
Speaker 1: o U has sent the transport Portal into overdrive. I
Speaker 1: love picturing it being like one big hard drive that
Speaker 1: is actually steaming and smoking. A lot of coaching changes
Speaker 1: are really affecting. More players are going. So update us
Speaker 1: on what you know today of key college players and
Speaker 1: where they're going. Yeah, Levi, it's been crazy because for
Speaker 1: about two weeks a lot of people would would reach
Speaker 1: out and say, hey, we're hearing crazy things coming out
Speaker 1: of the Oklahoma program right now. The problem is we
Speaker 1: all thought Lincoln riley would go to l s U
Speaker 1: Saturday night. Of course, after losing a Bedlin he says,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be the next head coach at l
Speaker 1: s U. Of course he wasn't, because he's gonna be
Speaker 1: the next head coach. USC has really turned things upside down.
Speaker 1: I think we've already seen Spencer Rattler, who near the
Speaker 1: year as a Heisman Trophy favorite, as an NFL Draft
Speaker 1: favorite at the quarterback position. He has entered the transfer portal.
Speaker 1: We've seen quite a few Oklahoma commits, whether that be
Speaker 1: two or two twenty three signing class excuse me, have
Speaker 1: already said yeah, maybe I need to reopen my recruitment
Speaker 1: and see where I want to land. So those have
Speaker 1: been the big things right now. We haven't seen the
Speaker 1: market players. Caleb Williams, the quarterback at Oklahoma who came
Speaker 1: in during the Texas game and really lit that offense
Speaker 1: on fire. He has said, hey, I'm taking some time
Speaker 1: to figure things out. Marvin Mims, their star receiver, taking
Speaker 1: some time to figure things out. So I think a
Speaker 1: lot of Oklahoma players are waiting to see who that
Speaker 1: next head coach will be. And I think it Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: We have Brian Kelly going to l s U and
Speaker 1: arguably a shocking of a move that he would leave
Speaker 1: Notre Dame for l s U. It seems like a
Speaker 1: weird fit culturally. Brian has said two months ago, like
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty million dollars, Sure I'll leave, you know,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. It only million only came out. But I
Speaker 1: think one weird thing there is what my prediction is,
Speaker 1: We're going to see a lot of Oklahoma players because
Speaker 1: they've recruited California so well follow Lincoln Riley or change
Speaker 1: their recruiting commitment to USC. I don't think we're gonna
Speaker 1: see a lot of Notre name kids line up to
Speaker 1: follow Brian Kelly. He's a great coach, but he's known
Speaker 1: as kind of a prickly guy. You know, he's a
Speaker 1: little bit older, not as much fun. I don't think
Speaker 1: we're gonna see that South Bend to Baton Rouge pipeline
Speaker 1: open up anytime soon. The only college football question I
Speaker 1: have about is storming the field. I mean, should they
Speaker 1: bringing the National Guard to prevent that? Isn't that a
Speaker 1: safety hazard? I don't know. I've been at games where
Speaker 1: like you get caught up in the moment and you're
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I'm getting out there, Olivia. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you lived in Kansas City then, but when
Speaker 1: the Royals won the wild card game against the Oakland A's,
Speaker 1: I was about twelve rows up and I should have
Speaker 1: stormed the field. Actually, like one of my biggest regrets
Speaker 1: in life is I should have ran out there and
Speaker 1: hop down onto the field. So I'm probably the wrong
Speaker 1: guy to ask, because when you're there in that moment
Speaker 1: and your team's winning, it's is you know, you're we're
Speaker 1: all eighteen again. Yeah, yeah, it does violate COVID restrictions,
Speaker 1: though true, it's not a good idea with six ft apart. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you mentioned Brian Kelly to l s U, Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley to USC. I'm hearing rumors of Brett Venables to Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Maybe by the time Miss ayres that will be confirmed.
Speaker 1: What do you know or what you can predict for
Speaker 1: what spots are left? Yeah, I think Britt Venables, the
Speaker 1: Clemson defensive coordinator, is an obvious connection to Oklahoma just
Speaker 1: given his history. They're also, you know, the type of
Speaker 1: coach that they want. Remember they hired Bob Stoops away
Speaker 1: from Kansas State. He was a defensive assistant there. So
Speaker 1: Oklahoma has become known as this offensive powerhouse under Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley in the past four years. But this is traditionally
Speaker 1: more of a running team or of a defensive heavy team.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be surprised to see britt Venables. I
Speaker 1: think one of the big questions would be what does
Speaker 1: he do at offensive coordinator. Jeff Levy is someone whose
Speaker 1: name has been mentioned in the kind of the coaching
Speaker 1: rumor mill as someone who could come be his offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: But I think something interesting is what Notre Dame will
Speaker 1: do that is a blue blood marquee job. Obviously we've
Speaker 1: heard for years, whether it's Lou Holtz or Brian Kelly.
Speaker 1: It's hard to recruit there. There's a lot of restrictions
Speaker 1: in terms of what type of student athlete you have
Speaker 1: to have. So I think that is something that will
Speaker 1: be interesting. You know, they've said this morning that they
Speaker 1: the interim coach will not be a candidate for the
Speaker 1: head coaching job. That could be bad news for defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator Marcus Marcus Freeman, excuse me. There's rumors that he
Speaker 1: could be going to l s U as a new
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for Brian Kelly. So right now, there's that's
Speaker 1: really it's the Notre Dame job that's kind of stirring
Speaker 1: the pot Oklahoma. I wouldn't be shocked if Bob Stoops
Speaker 1: just takes the job back and says, you know what,
Speaker 1: I stepped away. I'm ready to come back. I'm sixty
Speaker 1: one years old, like my man was doing like XFL stuff.
Speaker 1: He's on Big New Kickoff. It feels like he's ready.
Speaker 1: And let's not forget the guy whose job he took
Speaker 1: on Big New Kickoff was Urban Meyer, who part layed
Speaker 1: that job into a head coaching job. So it seems
Speaker 1: like a pretty good stepping stone. I think it's so
Speaker 1: odd for him to join as the interim for a
Speaker 1: bowl game. Anyways, when he does have the gigs like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, that's a very weird fit to me, And
Speaker 1: like why was he there? I know that everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. If you'll have ever been to Norman, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: You're never just like accidentally there right now you're on
Speaker 1: the way to Dallas if you're in Norman, Oklahoma. So
Speaker 1: it's like, why was bomb Stoops? He was in Columbus
Speaker 1: or an Arbor, Michigan for the game on Saturday, and
Speaker 1: then it's just like, oh, weird, now you're in Norman,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma on Sunday. To me that that's too coincidental that
Speaker 1: the dude just happened to be hanging out in the
Speaker 1: middle of Oklahoma and not back in l A where
Speaker 1: he's working for Fox. You mentioned Notre Dame. Do you
Speaker 1: think they should join the A c C. I've been
Speaker 1: saying that for a while. They did last year in
Speaker 1: a weird COVID schedule, but now is the playoff picture
Speaker 1: shakes out, it just doesn't seem right that they're not
Speaker 1: playing in a championship game in their conference. You are
Speaker 1: absolutely right about that, and I actually think one reason
Speaker 1: I think that we're seeing Brian Kelly Lee for l
Speaker 1: s U is just that you have to be in
Speaker 1: a conference to be in the college football playoffs. And
Speaker 1: even though Notre Dame it's like a favorite school, it's
Speaker 1: basically if you have you have one, lost your in
Speaker 1: if you're Notre Dame. But we've seen how hard it
Speaker 1: is for them. It feels like a fight to get
Speaker 1: Notre Dame into that college football playoff ever year theyre
Speaker 1: usually the four seed, so I do think that they
Speaker 1: have to almost step back and look and say, hey,
Speaker 1: we we got to do something different here and joining
Speaker 1: the a SEC. Like Clemson is down right now, Miami
Speaker 1: is down right now, Florida State, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if anyone remembers there in the SEC right now, there's
Speaker 1: an open door to dominating this this conference right now,
Speaker 1: and Clemson will probably be back, but right now you
Speaker 1: would be the favorites to win the conference next year.
Speaker 1: So I do think, you know, we're seeing a shift
Speaker 1: right now. Texas and Oklahoma are going to the SEC
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. I think we'll see a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, domino effects from there with other schools
Speaker 1: joining the Big twelve. But the time is right for
Speaker 1: Notre Dame to get into the A C C. And
Speaker 1: I think last year proved that it's not a bad
Speaker 1: thing for them and they don't lose some of that
Speaker 1: nostalgia of being an independent school by joining a conference
Speaker 1: is an easier path to the postseason. What do you
Speaker 1: think about the Heisman? Who is your favorite to win
Speaker 1: the Heisman? And so this is what upsets me because
Speaker 1: I think it should be aiden Hutchinson, who had like
Speaker 1: nineteen pressures against Ohio State. The Michigan defensive end. He's
Speaker 1: been amazing this year and he has this the stats
Speaker 1: to back it up. This isn't just like you know,
Speaker 1: I remember watching guys like Aaron Donald and Khalil macdominant
Speaker 1: in college and you'd be like, this is a defender
Speaker 1: that actually warrants Heisman consideration. They weren't on good enough teams.
Speaker 1: The problem is Aiden Hutchinson is on the number two
Speaker 1: team in the country and is dominating at that level.
Speaker 1: I really thought that we saw Saturday was lining up
Speaker 1: where c J. Stroud the quarterback in Ohio State and
Speaker 1: Rice Young the quarterback in Alabama. I thought it was
Speaker 1: lining up one of those guys who are gonna have
Speaker 1: a big game. They were gonna ride off into the
Speaker 1: Heisman sunset. They both had bad games, though, and so
Speaker 1: Alabama did win. Maybe that helps, But I think if
Speaker 1: we could ever just be honest about, Okay, who is
Speaker 1: the best player in the country right now, it is
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson, and he had the best game that a
Speaker 1: defensive end has had in years. He had it on
Speaker 1: that huge stage Saturday morning against Ohio State. So that
Speaker 1: would be my vote. Realistically, it'll probably be Bryce Young
Speaker 1: because it's the best quarterback for the you know, highest
Speaker 1: ranked team, and Georgia has had really a quarterback by committee.
Speaker 1: They don't have an offensive player that you would put
Speaker 1: into that spot. Right. Well, it's hard to get a
Speaker 1: vision this year. It's not a very sexy Heisman race,
Speaker 1: and really most of the players that deserve it, like
Speaker 1: you mentioned Aidan Hutchinson, there's Thibodeau, Will Anderson, Jordan Davis,
Speaker 1: all these defensive players which the average fan is not
Speaker 1: going to get excited about. So how would you shake
Speaker 1: up the Heisman voting in regards to this? I honestly think,
Speaker 1: and I'm not a Heisman voter, I do think they
Speaker 1: need to get rid of some of the there's a
Speaker 1: lot of Heisman voters out there. I think they almost
Speaker 1: need to start over and get a little bit younger.
Speaker 1: They need to find more of a like almost evening
Speaker 1: the population. So there's some guys on the West Coast,
Speaker 1: guys girls in the West Coast, some people on the
Speaker 1: East Coast. You know, I can remember the year Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey didn't win it and should have. People were admitting
Speaker 1: I didn't stay up to watch him play at Stanford,
Speaker 1: and so Derrick Henry one and had a great year.
Speaker 1: He deserved it. But I do think we need to
Speaker 1: find more of an whereas more even I love the
Speaker 1: idea of letting previous winners be a voter. Let's not
Speaker 1: go away with that, right, but I would like to
Speaker 1: see Heisman voters maybe have term limits like we see
Speaker 1: in in politics. And I know there's a movement right
Speaker 1: now to maybe do that with the Pro Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame voters. But I also think we gotta get
Speaker 1: a little bit younger. This isn't my petitioning for a vote,
Speaker 1: I really don't care, but to get a little bit younger,
Speaker 1: and then also like spread it out. I mean, I
Speaker 1: watched a lot of college football. He would you would think,
Speaker 1: But I also probably look at it differently because I
Speaker 1: do truly believe it should go to the best player.
Speaker 1: I think it would be awesome to have Michigan have
Speaker 1: the only two defensive players to ever win the highest
Speaker 1: man Charles Woodson, you know, doing it back in and
Speaker 1: then if aiden can get it done this year, now,
Speaker 1: that'd be awesome. Let's talk a little NFL nobody how
Speaker 1: to right now than Mac Jones and the familiar New
Speaker 1: England Patriots. Is this Mac jones is coming out party
Speaker 1: or is there just a good old, same old Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick system going to work in New England. I think
Speaker 1: it's both, And I think it's okay that he is
Speaker 1: a quote unquote system quarterback. I'm okay with that. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was the system quarterback. He was just really good
Speaker 1: in a really good system. Joe Montana was the same way.
Speaker 1: So I think mac Jones can be great in their
Speaker 1: system and be a great quarterback as well. You know,
Speaker 1: they do such a good job, and I wish more
Speaker 1: teams would do this. They asked him to do what
Speaker 1: he's really good at, and it's it's that simple, right
Speaker 1: They're not asking him to do things that he's not
Speaker 1: equipped to do right now. So I do think it's
Speaker 1: his coming out party, you know, to win. This is
Speaker 1: six straight games right now to be you know, tied
Speaker 1: for the most wins in the a f C. And
Speaker 1: they're doing it in an old school two thousand and
Speaker 1: one New England Patriots kind of way, where some weeks
Speaker 1: it's the quarterback, some weeks it's the run game. Every
Speaker 1: week it's the defense just dominating people. I think one
Speaker 1: thing you have to worry about is getting hot too soon.
Speaker 1: Last year we saw Tampa Baby seven and five and
Speaker 1: it just everyone was like, what is wrong with them?
Speaker 1: They it there bye week, they figured some things out
Speaker 1: and they didn't lose again. So I think that's the
Speaker 1: key this year is, you know, there's been so many
Speaker 1: devastating injuries, so it's really going to come down to
Speaker 1: who's healthy at the end. But you also you don't
Speaker 1: want to get hot too early, and I think that's
Speaker 1: something that Belichick knows how to manage better than anyone,
Speaker 1: having been through so many post seasons. They know how to,
Speaker 1: you know, manage the workload for players. They know how
Speaker 1: to manage the practice load, and it spread that energy
Speaker 1: out from now, you know, over the next five weeks,
Speaker 1: let's stay in the a f C. Another team who
Speaker 1: certainly did not get too hot too early are our
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, and now they have four losses and
Speaker 1: that's how many they had in their Super Bowl winning season.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're done losing? And could they go
Speaker 1: all the way? They could definitely go all the way.
Speaker 1: I think anytime you have Patrick Mahomes like you're always
Speaker 1: in the conversation. It's it's kind of like how Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and the Green bet Packers have been. As long
Speaker 1: as he's out there, you have a chance, right, a
Speaker 1: really good one. I think what should be most encouraging
Speaker 1: is how well the defense has played. And I was
Speaker 1: a skeptic, you know, when they were shutting down Jordan
Speaker 1: Loved Daniel Jones. I was trying to tell people, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well they really haven't beat anyone yet, you know, and
Speaker 1: then to you know, go up against the Raiders to
Speaker 1: shut down an offense that have been playing very well
Speaker 1: up to that point. I think you can be encouraged
Speaker 1: by how well both sides the ball are playing. And
Speaker 1: going back to that Super Bowl run, it was the
Speaker 1: defense playing exceptionally well, you know, especially in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl they shut the forty niners down on the second half.
Speaker 1: So I do think that you have to be encouraged.
Speaker 1: And from Mahomes, you know, back to back weeks to
Speaker 1: have great, great performances, you start to feel like they're
Speaker 1: figuring things out offensively where they're getting back to some
Speaker 1: of the big plays, and I still think they're missing
Speaker 1: a weapon. Hopefully we see whether it's Byron Pringle or
Speaker 1: Michoel Hartman, someone has to step up into that role.
Speaker 1: But it does feel like they're starting to get more
Speaker 1: balanced on offense, and that's a scary, scary thing for
Speaker 1: everyone else. Janice, how you so sick about talking about
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and Packers every week on the show. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I love it. Look, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: We either go Midwest or we go to New York.
Speaker 1: But there's just a lot more to talk about in
Speaker 1: your neck of the woods. So I concede. You know,
Speaker 1: this week you're Giants, Giants looking good. They're gonna go
Speaker 1: all the way. That's my prediction. We're gonna win it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have another surprise season. Just like Matt said,
Speaker 1: you don't want to get hot too early, and the
Speaker 1: Giants certainly did not get early. Yeah. So in our
Speaker 1: last two Super Bowl wins, you know, we pulled it
Speaker 1: together at the end and shocked the world. I'm ready
Speaker 1: for it to happen again. I'll piggyback off that. Who
Speaker 1: is the first NFL coach to get fired in your
Speaker 1: opinion after this year? Oh man, that is other than
Speaker 1: John Gruden. I guess we're calling out the firing, right count.
Speaker 1: I really do think we could see Matt Naggy fired.
Speaker 1: And I know, you know, the Bears have been so
Speaker 1: up and down, but it just it feels like they've
Speaker 1: made too many mistakes there and he's had chances, you know,
Speaker 1: they they have changed quarterbacks, they you know, signed Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: Now it's justin fields, and they've turned over the staff
Speaker 1: once already. It starts to be like you run out
Speaker 1: of chances at some point. So I think Matt Naggi
Speaker 1: is one that makes the most sense and my sleeper.
Speaker 1: Though I could see Pete Carroll retiring. I can see
Speaker 1: like that whole thing is sattle just feels like no
Speaker 1: one wants to be there anymore. You know, he's a
Speaker 1: sneaky and older guy and his upper sixties. So I
Speaker 1: can also see Pete Carroll just being like, you know
Speaker 1: what Russell Wilson wants traded. I've heard rumors of a
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a power dynamic there with the
Speaker 1: general manager, John Schneider. So I just also, I just
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if Pete Carroll, you know, after the
Speaker 1: end of the regular season. It's like I've had it
Speaker 1: I'm done the time to move back to southern California
Speaker 1: and and just you know, be an old man. I
Speaker 1: really hope someone describes me that way one day. She's
Speaker 1: sneaky old, like she has amazing botox five right. I
Speaker 1: think it's the energy as well, Like you gotta have
Speaker 1: that energy that Pete Carroll has, so it's not the botox. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you think about that game? Is Heineken going
Speaker 1: to get his respect or I mean, how good does
Speaker 1: Washington have to get for him to get a little
Speaker 1: respect put a little respect on his name. I think
Speaker 1: we're there. I mean, the Seattle defense is obviously not
Speaker 1: what it used to be, but I do think we're
Speaker 1: to a point where I mean I was watching it
Speaker 1: was like, man, maybe, yeah, I need to give this
Speaker 1: dude another chance because he's just he's just making place
Speaker 1: and he I think the thing with Taylor is he's
Speaker 1: playing better than some guys who we think are better
Speaker 1: than him, Like he's just outperforming them. But he's doing
Speaker 1: it in like an Alex Smith kind of way, like
Speaker 1: it's just super sneaky, like moving the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: But I know a lot of fan bases that would
Speaker 1: take that right now. And so I think when you
Speaker 1: have when their defense plays as well as it did
Speaker 1: last night, when Gibson's going in the running game, when
Speaker 1: mckissics going, then you start seeing, Okay, he's the type
Speaker 1: of quarterback that you can win games with, but he
Speaker 1: can't win games for you. And so I think if
Speaker 1: you have a great defense, you are okay with that
Speaker 1: you're gonna win eight or nine games, You're okay with
Speaker 1: having a game manager. The question will be what Ronner
Speaker 1: Vera wants to do. Does he feel like he needs
Speaker 1: a quarterback who can win games or does he feel
Speaker 1: like we can build up a good enough run game
Speaker 1: and a good enough defense that we can be competitive
Speaker 1: without top tier quarterback. Basically okay, So, Matt, this makes
Speaker 1: me question what guys like you do for scouts coming
Speaker 1: out of college. Taylor kind of key out of old
Speaker 1: dominion and here he is running a great offense and
Speaker 1: beating teams they shouldn't beat and hanging in there. When
Speaker 1: you look at the way you analyze players coming out
Speaker 1: of college, what biggest surprises have you had in your
Speaker 1: career like a guy like Taylor Hernicky, No, one's all coming. No,
Speaker 1: it is always guys like that where you hear things
Speaker 1: and I remember evaluating him and you heard things about like, man,
Speaker 1: he's just he's so smart and he does all the
Speaker 1: little things right, but he can move better than people think.
Speaker 1: You would kind of look at him and be like like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you almost typecast him of like he's not going to
Speaker 1: be super mobile, super athletic or the biggest arm But
Speaker 1: then you watch him play and he's what you would
Speaker 1: call a gamer, Like he just makes plays that you
Speaker 1: don't expect him to. And I think that's what we've
Speaker 1: seen even in Washington, Like I'm willing to bet money
Speaker 1: he's not a great practice player, but when you throw
Speaker 1: him out there on Sunday or Monday night, he just
Speaker 1: gets that energy going and he becomes much more dynamic.
Speaker 1: So that is one of the hardest parts of my
Speaker 1: job with quarterback evaluation. That's something I'm constantly trying to
Speaker 1: self scout and learn from is it's almost we overcomplict
Speaker 1: hate it, and sometimes you just need to watch guys
Speaker 1: on Saturday during college season and be like, who's making plays,
Speaker 1: who's performing will and then if you have the requisite
Speaker 1: arm strength, height, athleticism, and intelligence, like you're probably going
Speaker 1: to be a decent player. And I think with Taylor Heineke,
Speaker 1: that's what so everyone misses. And I think for you know,
Speaker 1: for me with some of my biggest misses, we almost
Speaker 1: go the other way. You forget to look at those
Speaker 1: intangible things and you look at arm strength or forty
Speaker 1: yard dashtime or size instead of just man, how good
Speaker 1: was this guy or did he get better every year?
Speaker 1: I remember watching Josh Roseen at U c l A.
Speaker 1: He was great as a freshman and he was annointed
Speaker 1: as like this guy's will be a first round pick.
Speaker 1: Got worse every year, you know, Christian Hackenberger Penn State,
Speaker 1: same way, like he got worse every year. But we
Speaker 1: fall in love with almost the image of what those
Speaker 1: guys were instead of like keeping updated, be like you're
Speaker 1: not going to fix them. It's like dating advice. You're
Speaker 1: not going to fix them, right, You're you're you're getting
Speaker 1: them as who they are. And so I think that's
Speaker 1: what we have to learn with quarterbacks is like you're
Speaker 1: you're getting the player that you saw last I gotta
Speaker 1: ask you this question not to beat the dead horse
Speaker 1: or go back too far into the past, but what
Speaker 1: happened with Tim Tebow. I mean, talk about a gamer.
Speaker 1: Why hasn't a team taken a chance on Tim Tebow?
Speaker 1: I mean when he played, he didn't play bad. You're
Speaker 1: just trying to get me to say something that's kind
Speaker 1: of trend on Twitter right now. Right, It's like absolutely now,
Speaker 1: I don't think Tebo could ever throw the ball well enough.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was before his time, maybe he was ahead
Speaker 1: of his time. It was just it was never there
Speaker 1: as a pastor. And I think that's even something we
Speaker 1: saw last week with Cam Newton, Like at some point
Speaker 1: you have to be efficient as a thrower or it's
Speaker 1: not gonna work, Like you can't go five of twenty one.
Speaker 1: And so as great as Tebow was as a leader,
Speaker 1: I actually think he's the greatest college football quarterback of
Speaker 1: like our era, right. I Mean, he fantastic player, great leader,
Speaker 1: but in the NFL, like it still comes down to
Speaker 1: you have to to make the throws and and he
Speaker 1: just couldn't do that. And I think we're even seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, as Cam Newton gets older, we're seeing some
Speaker 1: of the struggles there, you know, And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys right now where you could say, hey, you
Speaker 1: have to be able to make that throw or all
Speaker 1: the other things. Is the leadership, the athleticism, They don't
Speaker 1: matter if you can't hit the open window. Okay, we
Speaker 1: talked about the a f C a little bit. Let's
Speaker 1: get into the NFC. Who's overperforming? Who do you really
Speaker 1: like to continue out through December and have a great
Speaker 1: playoff spot. Yeah, you know, we talked about at the
Speaker 1: a f C. It's like, you don't want to get
Speaker 1: hot too early. The San Francisco forty Niners might have
Speaker 1: peaked at the right time. You know, a month ago
Speaker 1: we were talking about Kyle Shanahanna, John Lynch, don't know
Speaker 1: how to build a team. What are they doing? Well?
Speaker 1: They've gotten healthy, and I think that is one, you know,
Speaker 1: very fair critique of their roster building, as a lot
Speaker 1: of guys who had injury concerns in college, they get
Speaker 1: to the NFL, they have injury concerns right now outside
Speaker 1: of Deebo Samuel, they're fairly healthy, and so they're getting
Speaker 1: hot at the right time. So I would say they're
Speaker 1: a team that's overperforming. And even when Jimmy Garoppolo plays
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Garoppolo, they're still winning games, which is what
Speaker 1: you want. To see, like we're talking about with you know,
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks, you might not win because of him every week,
Speaker 1: but can you still win? And that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I think green Bay is the team to beat right now.
Speaker 1: I really expected the Rams to give them much more
Speaker 1: of a contest on Sunday, and I even tweeted Sunday
Speaker 1: it was like, this is one of the definitive butt
Speaker 1: whippings that we've seen this year. Is just green Bay
Speaker 1: going in there running the ball with a J. Dolan
Speaker 1: and Aaron Jones, carving people up with power plays and
Speaker 1: basically saying like, oh you have Aaron Donald, the von Miller,
Speaker 1: we don't care. Even with our best offensive lineman Elton
Speaker 1: Jenkins out, we don't care. We're still gonna maul you.
Speaker 1: And it's like, to me, that's a statement win for
Speaker 1: green Bay to show they don't have to beat you
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers thrown for five yards. They can beat
Speaker 1: you with the power running game. They could beat you
Speaker 1: with you know, receivers out of the backfield. And then
Speaker 1: that defense is playing so well right now, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know the Rams kind of made it
Speaker 1: close late, but that was to me just a definitive
Speaker 1: win for Green Bay and a defense that was so
Speaker 1: maligned early in the season and everyone thought Joe Barry
Speaker 1: didn't have it and I mean talk about it come around.
Speaker 1: I'm a big Packer fan as well, and I kind
Speaker 1: of thought that game said more about the ram Zough
Speaker 1: Rams now after by dropping that on the road third
Speaker 1: straight loss. Who are the Rams? I feel like we've
Speaker 1: been saying that for few years, right It's like, who
Speaker 1: what is this team? You know? You? They'll go through
Speaker 1: streaks where they're so hot and like no one can
Speaker 1: stop them and figure them out, and then it's like
Speaker 1: people catch up to Sean McVeigh, which it does go
Speaker 1: back to when he was hired. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys remember he was kind of an unknown. It
Speaker 1: was like, who's this thirty year old coach or whatever?
Speaker 1: And one thing that someone told me it was that
Speaker 1: his biggest weakness is adapting. Sean is brilliant at scheming
Speaker 1: things up and he can draw these beautiful plays, but
Speaker 1: his ability to adapt and evolve is where he struggled
Speaker 1: as a coach. And I think we're seeing that play
Speaker 1: are right now, is that he is struggling. People go
Speaker 1: through these phases where they get caught up to the
Speaker 1: film and they figure him out. So I think that's
Speaker 1: where we're at. We're seeing it with with Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: just not playing very well. You know, even Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: has been somewhat bottled up as of late. So I
Speaker 1: feel like that's just what you get with the Rams.
Speaker 1: The year they went to the Super Bowl, they got
Speaker 1: hot at the right time, like we were saying, and
Speaker 1: I feel like Sean got on that streak of no
Speaker 1: one can figure him out right now, and so they
Speaker 1: just they rode that into the Super Bowl where they
Speaker 1: got figured out by Bill Belichick. So that's just kind
Speaker 1: of the roller coaster that you it with a Rams team.
Speaker 1: Do you think it has anything to do with Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Being a distraction or No. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: not yet. I don't think so. Like l A's where
Speaker 1: Odell wanted to be, He's gonna be on his best behavior.
Speaker 1: I still think Matthew Stafford is just physically the most
Speaker 1: talented quarterback he's ever played with. You know, Eli obviously
Speaker 1: had a much better career, but just in terms of
Speaker 1: physical talent and his ability to throw, Stafford's arm is
Speaker 1: still one of the best in the game, and so
Speaker 1: I think Odell probably looks at that and he's trying
Speaker 1: to find his fit right now. He actually had a
Speaker 1: really good game last week, especially you know from a
Speaker 1: fantasy perspective, he had a great week last week. So
Speaker 1: I think he's just still trying to find his fit
Speaker 1: and figure out where he's at. This is a strong
Speaker 1: locker room. Andrew what Worth, their left tackle, is one
Speaker 1: of the best leaders in all the football. So I
Speaker 1: actually think the Rams one of the teams that can
Speaker 1: keep Odell happy and in check at the same time.
Speaker 1: Nice you mentioned earlier with the Seahawks a couple of
Speaker 1: rumors that you were hearing. What's a great rumor you've
Speaker 1: heard in the last couple of weeks. Doesn't mean it
Speaker 1: has to be true, but give us some fodder. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest one, and I think it came out,
Speaker 1: was that the Giants were gonna let go Dave Gentleman,
Speaker 1: and that just sets up so perfectly for him to
Speaker 1: be the GM. It's just like, if the Giants fired
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman, what is their philosophy moving forward? Because when
Speaker 1: they made their change a couple of years ago, when
Speaker 1: they when they made the move to fire the previous GM,
Speaker 1: it was like, this is a great job. And I
Speaker 1: think that's one thing you hear about the Giants is
Speaker 1: how good the ownership group is. Like it was viewed
Speaker 1: as this is a top tier job, and they went
Speaker 1: hired a guy who had just got fired by the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, And so I think the fodder right now
Speaker 1: Olivia is who is like what direction do they go.
Speaker 1: Do they go with the Patriots connection to keep Joe
Speaker 1: Judge or do they bring in a general manager and
Speaker 1: let that person make a decision to either clean house
Speaker 1: or keep Joe Judge. It's just where will the power
Speaker 1: balance be, because the Giants have two picks in the
Speaker 1: top ten right now, Like that is a is a
Speaker 1: very attractive destination because of the city, of the market,
Speaker 1: the ownership, and the draft capital they have right now.
Speaker 1: So I think that is one of the biggest ones
Speaker 1: right now. It's just you know, trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what direction they're actually going to go, because it will
Speaker 1: have a domino effect if you hear that, hey, you
Speaker 1: have to keep Joe Judge, It's be a lot of
Speaker 1: good general manager candidates who don't want to take that
Speaker 1: because they want to pick their own guy, and Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones the same way. He's played well at times, but
Speaker 1: he's not been great. So there's also gonna be people
Speaker 1: asking like, do I have to keep the head coach
Speaker 1: and quarterback or do I get to go my own
Speaker 1: way here? Matt, your opinions are so experts, so I
Speaker 1: have to ask you this question. Olivia is having a
Speaker 1: baby with her husband, Sam Decker. Given the sports pedigree,
Speaker 1: given the basketball pedigree, but also the football pedigree, are
Speaker 1: we looking at a Division one basketball or football athlete?
Speaker 1: You know, I think soccer would make the most sense,
Speaker 1: right because you get the letticism of you know, Sam's
Speaker 1: linked would be great, and then like Olivia's feistin is,
Speaker 1: maybe we're looking at it like a MIDFI. I don't
Speaker 1: knowing about soccer, guys. I'm not gonna lie. You know,
Speaker 1: I hope football. You know that the Chiefs need some
Speaker 1: size at receiver. I don't know you know how long
Speaker 1: Mahomes is gonna hold out there, but they definitely need
Speaker 1: a red zone target. So if you guys can hurry
Speaker 1: this thing up, I think they would appreciate it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to hurry this thing up. I
Speaker 1: bet we already have a scholarship offer from Wisconsin Basketball.
Speaker 1: And I just got off a zoom with Kirby Smart
Speaker 1: and I told him that we're expecting a little bulldog
Speaker 1: in May. So I think he might be like a
Speaker 1: good tight end to in the SEC. I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to, you know, put some weight on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you're both kind of lankier people. So I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, we're gonna get a strength program going.
Speaker 1: But I'm believe in you guys. Just Kansas City Barbecue,
Speaker 1: Minsky's Pizza, Like, yeah, there's there, this can happen. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: he'll definitely be the m v P and our family.
Speaker 1: Who do you like for the m v P this season?
Speaker 1: You mentioned Stafford. I really like Stafford early on. Now
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure to again, like Heisman that there
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be a clear cut favorite except Brady
Speaker 1: if you're trying to avoid Brady, and it feels like
Speaker 1: the NFL usually does avoid Brady. I feel like he
Speaker 1: has this like the Lebron syndrome, where you're so great
Speaker 1: that people forget to give you awards when you're you know,
Speaker 1: just your normal self, but you're still great. So I
Speaker 1: think Brady should be the favorite. I would say Mahomes
Speaker 1: is climbing if he can cut down on some of
Speaker 1: the picks we saw early in the year, But like,
Speaker 1: why not Jonathan Taylor. I know the Colts are like
Speaker 1: the middle of the road team right now, but what
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor is doing in that offense has been phenomenal,
Speaker 1: and it feels like running backs have been a little
Speaker 1: disrespected in the m v P race, you know, the
Speaker 1: last ten years. But I do think he's definitely worthy
Speaker 1: as long as he can stay healthy over the next
Speaker 1: five weeks. I mean, wee we're gonna see him a
Speaker 1: clipse two thousand total yards and really put that team
Speaker 1: on his back with Carson Wentz being so uneven assive late.
Speaker 1: So Matt Miller, if I understanding correctly, we're having a
Speaker 1: defensive end when Heisman or having a running back when
Speaker 1: m v P Pete Carroll's retiring and gonna sit in
Speaker 1: my ties and Southern cal what else? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that sums it up pretty much. Yeah, right, and we'll
Speaker 1: see if we can. I don't know, maybe maybe the
Speaker 1: Royals will win the World Series. That would make all
Speaker 1: those things that make me very happy. I gotta say, though, I've,
Speaker 1: you know, because of this up and down Giant season,
Speaker 1: I've become a little bit of a Green Bay Packers fan.
Speaker 1: No mention of Davante. I mean, DeVante is like I've
Speaker 1: never felt better about a receiver being out there than him.
Speaker 1: Is he not in the running at all? I think
Speaker 1: he's in the running. It's just you almost get penalized
Speaker 1: playing receiver because people automatically look at your quarterback, you know,
Speaker 1: even like Tyreek Hill this year, not to make this
Speaker 1: a Green Bay in Kansas City podcast, but like Terry
Speaker 1: Hills having his best year ever, but no one talks
Speaker 1: about him because they talk about Mahomes. And I think
Speaker 1: Davante is a similar situation, which great for him because
Speaker 1: he's a free agent after this year and my man
Speaker 1: is going to get paid and he deserves it. But
Speaker 1: it's funny because I really felt like when the season
Speaker 1: started there was still a debate about who's the best
Speaker 1: receiver in football, and there's not anymore. It's Davante Adams,
Speaker 1: Like he is the best wide receiver in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and there's not really a question about it. Through what
Speaker 1: are we at twelve weeks right now? Well, I just
Speaker 1: looked it up, be honest, for your sake, and if
Speaker 1: you want to put money on it, Davante Adams five
Speaker 1: hundred to one odds at bet MGM, that's a pretty
Speaker 1: good bet. Actually, Well but you know, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that's what that's just a little
Speaker 1: frustrating about it. I would think if you're not a quarterback,
Speaker 1: if you're not at the quarterback position, I want to
Speaker 1: ask you. I think I've asked this question before, but
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your take on it. Should there
Speaker 1: be two different awards, like one Quarterback of the Year
Speaker 1: and then another m v P for Offensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year. There is they do that they do like
Speaker 1: Offensive Pay the Year, Defensive Player the Year. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't have the same like cash it, you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't care the same weight. So maybe they just need
Speaker 1: to rename it like Offensive MVP Defensive MVP. That that
Speaker 1: might help, you know. It's like in college, like they
Speaker 1: have the ben Nerrik Award, the Outline War. They have
Speaker 1: these awards for other players at these positions. But I
Speaker 1: think m v P it's just it's just a known thing.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a quarterback, maybe a running back.
Speaker 1: I have a record setting year and that's really it,
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate, but that's you know that we can
Speaker 1: sit here for an hour and we're mostly going to
Speaker 1: talk about quarterbacks and there's a reason for it now solutely. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: Matt Miller, you are a wealth of knowledge. It's really
Speaker 1: fun having you on. I hope we have you on
Speaker 1: at least once more before the NFL Draft. That is
Speaker 1: your busiest time of year, though, so we appreciate anytime
Speaker 1: we get with you. Thanks so much. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Guys, have a good one. You can follow
Speaker 1: Matt Miller on Twitter at NFL Draft Scout. Matt Miller
Speaker 1: was so much fun to talk to. He's got me
Speaker 1: ready for college football and all the weird scenarios that
Speaker 1: are going to happen this weekend with the conference championships.
Speaker 1: Be honest, I'm so excited. This is the week I
Speaker 1: know you don't watch a ton of college football, but
Speaker 1: if you're going to make it this weekend, there's such
Speaker 1: good games on. And on that note, let's bring in
Speaker 1: Peter Andrew, our bet MGM betting expert to help us
Speaker 1: dissect some of these and how the college football playoff
Speaker 1: picture could be really, really altered with some weird scenarios. Peter,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show again. I guess it's kind of
Speaker 1: your show too. I guess kind of. At this point,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just well, I am a regular
Speaker 1: sell Yeah, happy to be part of it. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're getting paid for this, but
Speaker 1: that's your fault if you didn't. I'm not, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to talk about representation with both of you
Speaker 1: guys offline. Yeah, and for those of you listening wondering,
Speaker 1: Peter is not in the bathroom. It's just he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a mic this week because the boss is in
Speaker 1: town and he's at the job. It sounds like you're
Speaker 1: dropping a deuce. So I just want to let people
Speaker 1: know you're not speaking of dropping a deuce. I think
Speaker 1: Bama is going to do so at Mercedes Been Stadium
Speaker 1: Saturday against Georgia, the top team in the country, the
Speaker 1: top defense in the country. I'm working that game and
Speaker 1: I am so excited and just watching Alabama downtend nothing
Speaker 1: to Auburn in the Iron Bowl. Auburn, who isn't even
Speaker 1: ranked and they had to win in four overtimes. It
Speaker 1: was ugly. They've had a hard time putting up points
Speaker 1: against Florida, against Tennessee. They have struggled this season, and
Speaker 1: they are six and a half point dog for the
Speaker 1: first time in the SEC Championship. We were just talking
Speaker 1: about this game before we went on air, and I
Speaker 1: think this is Georgia's to win. Lay the points. I
Speaker 1: think they win by a healthy amount, definitely more than
Speaker 1: six and a half. Peter, what do you think? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one matchup for me that really will I think
Speaker 1: to take this this game, it's Bamma's defensive line first,
Speaker 1: Georgia's offensive line. I think you just kind of alluded
Speaker 1: to it, Mamma struggling scorn points. They did not look
Speaker 1: good for most of the game against Auburn. They got
Speaker 1: a little bit lucky towards towards the latter half of
Speaker 1: the game last weekend. If they can contain their offense,
Speaker 1: they can keep them too let's say five points or lost.
Speaker 1: I think they've got a legitimate shot. Georgia pretty high
Speaker 1: powered team, so it's gonna be tough. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: six and a half. I'm just thinking about saving magic.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be I think the game of the week.
Speaker 1: You got probably the two best teams are two of
Speaker 1: the three best teams. We'll see about Michigan, I'm taking
Speaker 1: plus six and a half. I guess we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a little rivalry this weekend too, since I'm going against
Speaker 1: Georgia's finest over there, Olivia, and let's go over to
Speaker 1: the Big Ten Championship that's in India at Lucas Oil Stadium.
Speaker 1: It is another game in a dome. It is so great,
Speaker 1: especially for these Big Ten teams to play indoors. It's
Speaker 1: like going to Hawaii for them. Michigan is a ten
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite over Iowa and they just
Speaker 1: pulled off the super emotional upset over Ohio State. The
Speaker 1: game that was that lived up to all the hype.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful to even watch on TV. But ten
Speaker 1: and a half, Peter, what do you think? And Jana's
Speaker 1: you chirp into do you think that's too much? I
Speaker 1: think that's accurate. This is such a weird game to
Speaker 1: me because on paper, Michigan I think should blow them
Speaker 1: out of the water. I'm very concerned. This is the
Speaker 1: emotional piece of these games is coming off a huge
Speaker 1: win against Ohio. It seems like it's the first time
Speaker 1: in my lifetime they've done it. I think it's been
Speaker 1: probably ten fifteen years. Actually. I'd just be concerned that
Speaker 1: there's so much stock into just that big win last week,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like their national championship the regular season.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised if I would keep this close, but
Speaker 1: I will be taken Michigan in the points ten and
Speaker 1: a half. I think they are just too complete a
Speaker 1: team that a second ago. They're probably one of the
Speaker 1: three best teams in college football right now. So it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to go against a team, especially after such
Speaker 1: dominating win against an Ohio State team that we saw
Speaker 1: smoke Michigan State week. Some look really really impressive and
Speaker 1: really shipped the bed. Another ten and a half point
Speaker 1: spread is Houston at Cincinnati. Now Cincinnati, for a lot
Speaker 1: of people who don't know, is currently in the playoff
Speaker 1: picture in the top four spots. Of course, chaos could ensue,
Speaker 1: and this game actually really matters. If Houston beat Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about him anymore. But they're twelve and
Speaker 1: no undefeated. They've earned it and they are a ten
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite. Peter also, is this one? Then?
Speaker 1: Let me phrase, if you're going to take one of
Speaker 1: those games, the Big Ten Championship or the American Championship
Speaker 1: ten and a half point spread, who is a safer bet,
Speaker 1: it's gotta be Sincy. I think they need this game.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're you know, we talked about these mid
Speaker 1: tier kind of conference teams since he for how long
Speaker 1: have we been saying when are they can actually crack
Speaker 1: top for? When are they actually going to be in
Speaker 1: that picture? They're finally there. They obviously got a little
Speaker 1: bit of help across the board, but they need this
Speaker 1: because you never know what can happen with some of
Speaker 1: these other teams that are kind of teetering in the
Speaker 1: one lost teams or the even a couple of the
Speaker 1: two lost teams that are just teetering in the top
Speaker 1: ten that are trying to claw their way back. I
Speaker 1: think if since he shows a commanding twenty point when
Speaker 1: this week, I think they're in really good shape. They
Speaker 1: need to come out and just fire on all cylinders
Speaker 1: and leave nothing to doubt. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: Great analysis. I'm completely skipping the A C. C. Impact
Speaker 1: twelve because no one is relevant in the playoff picture
Speaker 1: and those games, which is sad. It's not good for
Speaker 1: college football. But here we are, we're talking about the
Speaker 1: American Championship. I love it. Okay, Yanna want to get
Speaker 1: to NFL? Yeah, Peter, what do we got coming up?
Speaker 1: But first I really wanted to talk to you because
Speaker 1: we haven't mentioned it yet. A nine nine score at
Speaker 1: the half? Has that ever happened in NFL history? I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, of course the Redskins game. And what could
Speaker 1: you say about this Washington team looking good and their
Speaker 1: defense and they're underrated QB. I will say there's probably
Speaker 1: been a couple of nine nine games, but never the
Speaker 1: way that happened on Monday night where two point conversion
Speaker 1: went the other way and that's how they scored the
Speaker 1: kew points to put them back at noted up at nine.
Speaker 1: That was one of the more intriguing ways that has happened,
Speaker 1: rather than just six field goals. It was a crazy
Speaker 1: game on Monday. Heineken looks really good. I think they
Speaker 1: look more complete than than people have thought. You got
Speaker 1: Mkissick in the endzone a couple of times you didn't
Speaker 1: have to rely on Antonio Gibson or Term McLaurin. But
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to be said about Seattle struggles.
Speaker 1: They do not look like the Seattle team from two,
Speaker 1: four or six years ago. I would not be shocked
Speaker 1: and Ross is on his way out after this year.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like anything's right with dk MetPath. I think
Speaker 1: he had one target and the game with a minute
Speaker 1: left in the game. Probably for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: I'd be fading Seattle. I think there's something fishy there.
Speaker 1: There's already rumors about Pete Carroll. Does he take another job?
Speaker 1: I know he's kind of vivently denied that he would
Speaker 1: take a college job or speculating, but who knows. Maybe
Speaker 1: he takes one of these roles, maybe he moves on.
Speaker 1: But I don't think Russe is in Seattle next year.
Speaker 1: And I think there's there's the decline that everybody's been
Speaker 1: expecting for a couple of years. I think it's starting
Speaker 1: to happen now, do you hear that? Yeah, Matt Miller
Speaker 1: said the same thing, So you know, keep your antennas on.
Speaker 1: It looks like Seattle is at the end of their era.
Speaker 1: Sad I'm glad for once, I wasn't just making things
Speaker 1: up and not know where the smartest draft guy was
Speaker 1: agreeing with. Yes, oh yeah, he was dropping knowledge. You're
Speaker 1: gonna want to listen to his segment to Okay, let's
Speaker 1: get to games this weekend. Every weekend, Peter picks three games,
Speaker 1: and Janice and I take our picks, and whoever loses
Speaker 1: has to need the outro that the other one wrote
Speaker 1: for him. We call the segment punishment picks. Peter go
Speaker 1: ahead late on this. Yeah, So all three games I
Speaker 1: picked this week all in Division games. First one, Ravens
Speaker 1: at the Steelers. Ravens are three and a half point favorites.
Speaker 1: Tricky because the Steelers they looked awful last week. I
Speaker 1: think Ravens have been a little bit back and forth.
Speaker 1: The three and a half points and on the road
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, what are you guys like there? I like
Speaker 1: the Ravens there. Lamar Jackson with the four picks that
Speaker 1: was such an aberration. That was crazy. I still think
Speaker 1: he's one of the top guys in the game because
Speaker 1: every week you never know what you're gonna get. Maybe
Speaker 1: unfortunately that also includes the bad side. But Steelers were
Speaker 1: horrible last week. How can you not pick the Ravens here?
Speaker 1: And three and a half a small number? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is a small number, and talk about an end of
Speaker 1: an era. I feel like the Steelers are right there
Speaker 1: with Seattle. I don't know who's gonna play quarterback next year.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be me, maybe to be a living's kid,
Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna happen. But I'm gonna stick with
Speaker 1: Big Ben for this one. I think Big Ben. It's
Speaker 1: a bipolar situation there in Pittsburgh and they're gonna take
Speaker 1: out the fading Ravens. It's a funny Steelers story because
Speaker 1: I think they've got some pieces nag Harris pieces for
Speaker 1: the future. But maybe it's without Ben and we'll see
Speaker 1: I guess next year. Yeah, yeah, Ben's done. Yeah, good segue.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Seahawks. San Francisco travels up to Seattle,
Speaker 1: another three and a half point favorite. So San Franisco
Speaker 1: is favorite by three and a half. Good win last
Speaker 1: week against the Vikings, but they are a little beaten up.
Speaker 1: I think Debo's probably out for a week or two.
Speaker 1: Who's been there? Number one weapon? What do you guys
Speaker 1: like here? Um, I'm gonna go San FRANCISKI take this
Speaker 1: train to San Franciski. Yeah, me too, Me too. I
Speaker 1: I just think if we're if all we're talking about
Speaker 1: is how the Seahawks are are bruising, beating and battered,
Speaker 1: and everyone's even and retiring and moving on, then I
Speaker 1: just don't know what's left in the tank for the
Speaker 1: rest of the season now that we are going to
Speaker 1: be in December in San fran Like Matt Miller said,
Speaker 1: getting good at the right time, and and Devo should
Speaker 1: be back in a couple of weeks. I like the
Speaker 1: forty niners here. Yeah. Yeah, I was about to say
Speaker 1: it was impossible not to take the forty niners. After
Speaker 1: talking to Matt Miller, it was just impossible. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: liking it more and more. It's gonna be an interesting one.
Speaker 1: You know, they're fighting for their playoffs spot there in
Speaker 1: the sixth seed right now, so they're they're fighting for
Speaker 1: something now. Last game, this line is a bit intriguing
Speaker 1: to me. Nine and a half point dogs at Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I understand it, but Denver came off a pretty good
Speaker 1: win last weekend l A against We've made the Chargers.
Speaker 1: What do you guys like here? Almost ten points the
Speaker 1: pretty h number. I think I like Denver plus nine
Speaker 1: and a half. And if you're in Denver, for sure,
Speaker 1: I like the Chiefs to win. But I like Denver
Speaker 1: plus nine and a half. I think I think the
Speaker 1: loo is way like a touchdown. Yeah, well, so you're
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You're gonna You're gonna go. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why I get confused on this show. We really
Speaker 1: are making money line picks, right, Peter. I mean we
Speaker 1: usually pick a clear cut winner. So if we are
Speaker 1: sticking with how we've always done the show, then the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: But true with the spread, I'm like, in Denver, alright, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Chiefs. I think they're gonna blow
Speaker 1: them out. I think they're gonna blow them out. Chiefs
Speaker 1: are I'm just listening to Matt Miller. Chiefs look good,
Speaker 1: they may win it all. I'm taking the Chiefs and
Speaker 1: I'm taking the points. This is one of those fishy
Speaker 1: games to me, But that's such high spread that I
Speaker 1: may sprinkle a little bit on Broncos just to win
Speaker 1: out right, Amen. But in Kansas City, the way the
Speaker 1: Chiefs been playing, I mean it could be a blow out.
Speaker 1: It could be a games. So this is an interesting
Speaker 1: one for for for coming, absolutely not as interesting as
Speaker 1: what's coming up. That is right, because we switched things
Speaker 1: up last week and had Janice and Peter bet on
Speaker 1: my gender reveal. I guess my kid's gender reveal. I
Speaker 1: feel pretty certain I'm a woman. We've got to make
Speaker 1: Peter pay. Joanna and I must be more on the
Speaker 1: same page than we realized because Joannice knew I was
Speaker 1: having a boy. Peter, you just don't know me like
Speaker 1: I thought. So I'm sorry, but you lost the punishment.
Speaker 1: Pick and Jonas and I decided that you have to
Speaker 1: read the outro we wrote for you, so I've put
Speaker 1: it in the chat on the side. You haven't read
Speaker 1: it yet, go ahead and read it for the first
Speaker 1: time on air, Olivia, I just want to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in tune with you. Okay, we both watched Real
Speaker 1: Housewives and since we started doing this show. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know, but we're cycling together. So when
Speaker 1: you missed your period, I knew you were pregnant. That's
Speaker 1: the best line yet. I've been hoping to avoid this
Speaker 1: for eight and twelve weeks now, but I've been hoping
Speaker 1: to avoid that comment more than this. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think everyone was ah, here goes nothing. I've learned from
Speaker 1: the best here so clear. I wanted to point I
Speaker 1: Peter Andrew third Musketeer, the guy who accidentally ended up
Speaker 1: as a regular on the show without negotiating it on
Speaker 1: my contract. First, I'm on the stage with the honest
Speaker 1: Poppets who's as funny as he is handsome, and Olivia Becker,
Speaker 1: who has never looked more radiant than she has the
Speaker 1: last one month with child. In fact, she seems better too.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for allowing me, in my sketchy audio
Speaker 1: to join you every week. Then lost and isn't the
Speaker 1: betting expert he loves to claim, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: take a break that was Olivia's and you're you're welcome
Speaker 1: that we let you on this show for me and
Speaker 1: read read it like you mean it, yellow Greek fuck.
Speaker 1: You're finally lost and isn't the bett expected expert he
Speaker 1: he loves to claim himself as This week and although
Speaker 1: initially guest hermaphrodite, I gotta say my pick was the
Speaker 1: worst because O H D isn't making another girl to
Speaker 1: be to be compete or queendom in her household. I
Speaker 1: was wrong on this pick, like I'm usually with my predictions,
Speaker 1: and that is why I always mislead Olivia too. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: I am a kid that is about to get married
Speaker 1: and we'll have a kid. So, Olivia, I want you
Speaker 1: to know that I'm offering my kid to your sonic
Speaker 1: tribute to serve your son in any capacity. This is catching,
Speaker 1: catching jump shop ball brahm, or washing a dog strap,
Speaker 1: or if it's a girl stiring his illigit illegant kids
Speaker 1: on the road. Olivia, off my loins and offspring into
Speaker 1: your service, Sincerely, your humble kind of Greek is Italian
Speaker 1: New Jersey trash. I'm from Long Island. Save dang, Save dang.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to get apart from that, but
Speaker 1: for having my paper kid that is nowhere near on
Speaker 1: the way. This is part of the show. I really
Speaker 1: hope people have pulled over part, gotten out of their car,
Speaker 1: stopped walking the dog, aren't listening anymore. Yeah during the
Speaker 1: car they might crash the car, I think, Peter, I mean,
Speaker 1: the rules are the rules. You lost the bets, so
Speaker 1: whatever you do, have that kid, just get that kid ready,
Speaker 1: because Olivia's son is gonna need some jump shots to
Speaker 1: get caught and passed to him, also known as rebounding.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much everyone for listening to another crazy show
Speaker 1: of unleashed We've got you ready for the college football weekend,
Speaker 1: NFL Weekend. It's all good stuff. Make sure you join
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Speaker 1: media platforms at the MGM and we can't wait to
Speaker 1: see you next week. Byel