1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR BOO but Up 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: America Doug Gottlieb Show FICK Sports Radio. I hope you're 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: having a great day. The Dog Gottlieb Show broadcast live 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: every single day, and my man Dan byers alongside, so 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: too is Jay stew Iowa Sam. We got the whole 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: crew today and we got a good show. Ryan Hollins 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: will join us as tour Of course, Ryan played in 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: the league for a decade. He's the Rockets color analysts 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: and he joins us as our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst. 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: We'll get to his thoughts from last night. So let me. 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: It's so funny. I get to ask all the time, like, 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, what's it like? What's different than you thought? 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: So recruiting is very different in college basketball than it 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: used to be from this perspective, right when you're taking 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: international players, when you're taking portal players, you have some 21 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: time to make the decision, but you don't always have 22 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: a thorough up basis of knowledge of who the player 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: is and what they are. And especially now as you 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: open up the floodgates to international players, which is it's 25 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: kind of the gold rush, right, There's been some that 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: have come over and got made so much money that 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: now everybody's like, well, and it's easier to get them 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: into school to play. Then you go back five six years. 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: Previously it was just too many hoops, didn't make any sense. 30 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: They were already making money overseas. Now it doesn't really matter. 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: They can say they're still amateurs. They almost all have 32 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: good grades. They want to come to college, they want 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: to experience the United States. But this is what the 34 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: experience is actually, Like, I have agents from ten different 35 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: countries on my phone. Everybody communicates FIA WhatsApp and they 36 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: send you a tape and it's a highlight tape and 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: then sometimes it's a full bio, sometimes that has full game. 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: Says that if you watch the highlight tape for these players, 39 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: you'd be like, why isn't this guy in the NBA 40 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: draft and why is he available to come to Green 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: Bay now. Sometimes it's because the financial ask is just 42 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: completely out of asserts. Sometimes it's because the guy isn't 43 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: as tall as it says, sometimes he's older. Sometimes you 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: really can't get him into the United States with his 45 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: contract and he's really a pro, and they're just kind 46 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: of messing with it. But oftentimes it's because the highlight 47 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: tapes max the actual game. And I'm watching last night 48 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: and I have a couple of takeaways on both Ronnie 49 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: James and on Cooper Flag. But I think the biggest 50 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: takeaway will be if you didn't watch that game. And 51 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not trying to embarrass you guys. 52 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: You guys have lives as well, and it's not like 53 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: it was Game seven of the NBA Finals. Sam in order, Sam, Jason, Dan, 54 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: Did you guys watch the Lakers Mavericks Summer League game 55 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: last night? Sam? 56 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: I did not. Jason, I did, yep? 57 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: Okay, Dan, I did, okay? Sam. What is your perception 58 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: of each of the players of first Bronnie and then 59 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: of Cooper Flag and how they. 60 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: Played, you mean, how they played. 61 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Baseb on no, how they played last night. 62 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: I didn't watch last night. 63 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: I know you didn't watch the game, but you have 64 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: seen highlights. You do own a phone. There are people 65 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: that again, without having watched, I'm sure you saw some highlights. 66 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: You are on social media. We text each other about 67 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: tweets all the time. What is your perception on how 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: they both played. 69 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I didn't see any highlights. I know 70 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: nothing about this game. Okay, so I'm not the right 71 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: one to ask. 72 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Fine, here's what I think if you watch highlights. Ronnie 73 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,559 Speaker 1: James had two shots in a row in the first 74 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: half and then a drive and kickoff or dunk like man, 75 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Cooper Flag was five of twenty one 76 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: from the field. What was five to twenty one was 77 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: that he was he struggled shooting the basketball, and so 78 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: if you just look at ross stats, you'd be like 79 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: Bronnie was okay, didn't take a ton of shots, made 80 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: some shots, scored on. Cooper Flag was super tough the 81 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: in the low post. Offensively, There's one highlight of him 82 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: where he at the end. It's called a foul on 83 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: Cooper Flag. He was trying to back him down. And 84 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg he just shot every time he got the ball. Okay, Now, 85 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: Dan let me ask you, how'd you think Cooper played? 86 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: How'd you think Brownie played? 87 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: I thought the whole thing was a mess. I thought 88 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: that Cooper flag provided highlights that you look for, but 89 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: the whole thing is just gobblygook. 90 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Chase, do your thoughts. 91 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: It's like chaos. It's a bunch of players that haven't 92 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: played together, I'm guessing, and it looks like it. It's 93 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: it's kind of like it's either like a middle school 94 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: game or a WNBA game or both that it was 95 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: just it's hard to watch outside of those two guys 96 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: that we were focused on. 97 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Okay, but in regards to those two guys, my takeaway 98 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: is again, I know that it can be overrated sometimes, 99 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: but presence is a thing. And for an eighteen year 100 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: old kid, he had the look of a guy that 101 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: knows he's going to be a dude. Whereas Bronnie James 102 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: looked like Okay, in comparison to last year, he'd improved. 103 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: Last year, he ran from the ball, last year he 104 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: was not particularly good defensively, and last year he looked tiny. 105 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: This year still doesn't look big, a little look stronger, 106 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: looked like he knew kind of what to do and 107 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: where to go, but was just kind of a guy. 108 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: Like if you didn't know he was Bronnie James, you 109 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't know who he was. Nobody. You wouldn't say, like, 110 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: who's that guy, Cooper Flagg. I think you would say, boy, 111 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: that kid must think he's really really good because he 112 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: takes a lot of shots. But part of it is 113 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: you're never going to get to that place of being 114 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: a dominant player unless you act and try and play 115 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: like a dominant player. Am I making sense? Dan? 116 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: That there's yeah, I thought he flashed last night. There 117 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: were especially in the first half orrow about like four 118 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: or five sequences think in a row where he was 119 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: either passing or dunking or doing something that yes. 120 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Look like yeah that that at some point that will work. Yes, 121 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: And that's really that's really what your rookie year, high 122 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: draft pick summer league is about. Right. It's it's like 123 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: in golf, when you're not particularly good at golf, or 124 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: maybe you're modestly good, or you're really good. I mean, Dan, 125 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: you could be more to the judge of where you're not. 126 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: It's not about what your round is, right, It's gonna 127 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: be bad, right, It's a little bit about the final score, 128 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: but it's a lot about those one or two shots 129 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: that keep you coming back. You know, yes, remember that 130 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: drive on eleven. Now I'm coming back. And if you're 131 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: playing with a guy who's not very good and he 132 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: hits a drive on eleven, like, you know, if he 133 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: works on it, you know he played a little bit 134 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: more golf, he can be a decent player. 135 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: There's also in a similar parallel on Me and my 136 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: buddy were talking about this when I played with him 137 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: about a month or two ago. We were saying, because 138 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: we were both playing decent for how we played, but 139 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: we really stink like we're bad. But we're playing with 140 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: each other and we're you know, shooting decent scores for us. 141 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: And you're like, when you play with someone that can 142 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: really play, you realize how much that you aren't good 143 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: at the game. And I felt like last night, like 144 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: there were guys out there that, yeah, maybe they could 145 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: look the part, maybe they can hit the three. But 146 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: when Cooper Flagg is doing what he's doing, it's just 147 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: a different animal. 148 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, as opposed to Bronnie James, who again take you 149 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: take the the golf analogy, and he doesn't have to 150 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: shoot a sixty five, but he has to look like 151 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: he could shoot a sixty five, if that makes any 152 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: sense to anybody. You don't have to shoot a sixty five. 153 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: You got to look like you could shoot a sixty five. 154 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: And he just doesn't. And what happens is what people 155 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: they'll they'll say, you know, like, oh, Bronnie stinks. He 156 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: doesn't stink. He's not bad at basketball. He's just not 157 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: a rotational NBA player. He's not He shouldn't be one 158 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: of the four hundred and fifty best players in the 159 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: world because if he was, after a year of being 160 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: in the NBA and the G League, he should have 161 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: far more control over what's going on the court. As 162 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: you guys point out, look at I'm played together, look 163 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: at and done things like yes, but most guys who 164 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: have played a year in the NBA, even if they 165 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: have played a lot, like the game before was Oklahoma 166 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: City and they have the topic kid topicch Nikolai Topich, 167 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: who like everybody thinks, is gonna be really good. They 168 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: had no minutes for him this year, but he looked like, yeah, 169 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna work at some point, right like 170 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: he'd looked like he'd been around the course before. Bronni 171 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: had some of that, but there was definitely no control 172 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: over the game. You're like, damn, he is at a 173 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: different level than everybody else. And if you play the 174 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: year in the NBA and played a portion of a 175 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: year in the g league, that's how you should look. 176 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: That's that's my breakdown of it. And there were some 177 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: times in which I was willing to like ooh okay, 178 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: but but the the times of where he looks the 179 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: part are still too few and far between in comparison 180 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: to his contemporaries. Going next to the Dug. 181 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 2: Got I'm sorry, h Could I continue the analogy here 182 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: of the golf as you guys were talking, Yeah, I'm 183 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 2: sure Dan's familiar with this guy. You know, you get 184 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: paired with somebody in a foursome the strangers, and then 185 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 2: like midway through the round, the guy will turn you 186 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: and be like, man, I never played this bad. And 187 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: that happens in poker too, Like you'll be playing on 188 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: a table and some guy like man, I never played 189 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: this bad, and you're like, you know, I I've seen 190 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: the way you play, you know, I saw your swing. 191 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: You're probably bad all the time. And I think that's 192 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: what Doug is getting to. And it reminded me when 193 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: Cooper Flag was, uh did the interview after the game. 194 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: It kind of reminded me of that Cooper Flag was 195 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: telling the world, Man, I never played this bat not up. 196 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 4: To my standard. 197 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna regroup, be all right. 198 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 4: You know, it's a new feeling, new environment, new teammates. 199 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 4: But you know, the guys shunted down, you know, Miles Ryan, 200 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: they were amazing tonight. Max Oh and they were great tonight. 201 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: So you know, just you know, they had my back. 202 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 4: You know, I didn't have my best game, but I'm 203 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 4: gonna just keep going going forward. 204 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's just there's just a confidence to it. 205 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: Like good guy, Dan. I'm sorry. 206 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I'll tell you what I did 207 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 3: like about last night and because and what I what 208 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: I didn't like. So I tuned in like two minutes 209 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: into the game, so it was like seven to three, 210 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: there were two minutes gone by or something like that. 211 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 3: And for three trips down the court, I'm seeing number 212 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 3: thirty six and forty seven and number nine handle the 213 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: ball a lot for Dallas, Like, what are we doing here? 214 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: This is not why this game is on ESPN right now, 215 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: That's not why fifteen thousand people are in the arena. 216 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 3: Cooper Flag hasn't touched the ball. That's just right when 217 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 3: I tuned in, But then Cooper Flagg got his opportunity, 218 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: and Dog, I know you're harsh on Bronnie. I'm to 219 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: the point I even said this earlier this week on 220 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 3: your show when I was in for you and you 221 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 3: were in for the herd is. At some point we 222 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: got to get past Bronnie, and I felt last night 223 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: Bronnie understood the assignment at the end of the game. 224 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: He's the one we wanted to see take that shot. 225 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: Granted it was a brick from twenty five feet out 226 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 3: with a guy in his face, but at least he 227 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 3: understood the assignment last night. You know, at some point, 228 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: I think we just kind of got to get passed, 229 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: like his name and where he was drafted. 230 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. I am past that point. 231 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: I'm judging him if you will, based on anybody else. 232 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: You know, he there were times in which he really 233 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: pressured the ball at the point guard spot really well, 234 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: but then there are times in which he got exposed 235 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: as it was like fake pressure. You're just trying to 236 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: pressure guys and anybody who has any gumption gets by you, 237 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: and then it's kind of a la city. And while 238 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: he did look really good on the two shots he made, 239 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: that that's really about it, you know, that's sort of 240 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: about it. And again I'm not judging on the scale 241 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: of could you survive? Right if this year? If his 242 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: performance last night was last year, I would have been 243 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: more enthused. But dude, when you play a year in 244 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: the NBA and in the G League and you just 245 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: kind of melt in it just that's not enough in 246 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: comparison to what reasonable expectations are of others, regardless of name, size, position, 247 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: that have been in the NBA for a year. 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All right, we'll get to that, 266 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: but first let's get to our recap of the weekend. 267 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: Something we call love and hate. 268 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 5: What did you love? 269 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: God? 270 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 6: I love you? 271 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 5: And what did you hate? 272 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: Meet these player haters? Love love, love, hate, hate, hate, 273 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: strong words. We got a strong show. Let's go to 274 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: our good friend Jason Stewart. What'd you love from the weekend? 275 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: Jace Tuo, I'd love to go west, That's what I 276 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: would have loved to do. 277 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's go to Isaac Lowankahn, I love what'd 278 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: you love for the weekend? 279 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 7: So the Friday counts fourth of July? 280 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Right? Sure? 281 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 7: Okay, it was really actually cool memory I mentioned this 282 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 7: on the Jonas' show, and he's got me wanted by 283 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 7: the cops now. But like a block away from our house, 284 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 7: there's this long road and people from outside the neighborhood 285 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 7: they set up shop on this long road and they 286 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 7: set off fireworks all night long on the Fourth of July. 287 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 7: So me and my kids it was like a fireworks parade. 288 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 7: We walked up and down and got to see like 289 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 7: pro level fireworks. 290 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: My eight year old was. 291 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 7: Shouting fire in a hale and I have no idea 292 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 7: where you learn that. So it was kind of a 293 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 7: nice memory. So there we go. Okay, and buyers free 294 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 7: pizza on Friday, by the way. 295 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Too, Okay, let's go to Big Ryan Smith. Ryan, what 296 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: you got Well? 297 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: I do love the Fourth of July. 298 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 8: I love the fireworks, but I hate it when I'm 299 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 8: trying to sleep and the fireworks are going off. I 300 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 8: love the fact that that didn't happen. There weren't a 301 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 8: lot of fireworks going off, so I got peaceful sleep, 302 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 8: and that's what I loved over the weekend. 303 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: Peaceful sleep. Very very nice that you love for the weekend. 304 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 7: By the way, the three of us all live in 305 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 7: you know, southern California here, guys. When you woke up 306 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 7: on Saturday morning, like where I lived, it was all 307 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 7: like smoky and hazy, like all over Southern California was 308 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 7: like that for you on Saturday morning. 309 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely out in the burbs it was, and the fireworks 310 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: were going off the entire weekend. It was a three 311 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: day firework exhibit up in the suburbs. 312 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: I kind of a diabolical what I liked. Did you 313 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: see the video? There's some rapper I've never heard of 314 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: him blow off his hand anybody on social media? 315 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 7: No, I hadn't heard about this? Was it this weekend? 316 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I got to Four Extra You guys 317 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: ever heard of four Extra boy. 318 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 7: That's a very ironic name. But okay, no, I so 319 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 7: google him, man boy. 320 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: H Well, four Extra some rapper and he was holding 321 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: two M eights in his hand, and he's walking around 322 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna blow and he's dropped an N bomb 323 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: up right. Then there's a video of him blowing off 324 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: four of his fingers. Oh, man, I have not seen 325 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: said video, but I'm gonna watch it because that's who 326 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 1: I am and listen. But again, my point is more like, 327 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, like when fireworks mistakenly go off, 328 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: or you know, if a fuse doesn't work, or you 329 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: know if you have all the safety precautions. But I 330 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: saw one where somebody gives a Roman candle to like 331 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: a two year old who mistakenly goes and runs into 332 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: the house. This one with this dude four extra like 333 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: blowing off his hand when he talked about blowing other 334 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: people up, Like, hey, dude, sorry, but you did know 335 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: you were holding a quarter stick of dynamite in your hand. 336 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: That's what happens when you f around and find out 337 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: east too. Like am I supposed to feel too much 338 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: sympathy when dudes threaten to blow other people up and 339 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: then they bliw their own hand off. I do not. 340 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 7: Sorry, Even Lamar Jackson weighed in with his sympathies, posting, 341 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 7: damn for extra y'all be said with them fireworks. Then 342 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 7: someone replied to that, don't play with fireworks. You're the 343 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 7: best running back we have, and Lamar replied, when I 344 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 7: started hearing about people's hands and faces being blowed off, 345 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 7: I stopped that bra So even Lamar Jackson advocating for 346 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 7: fireworks safety, just like you. 347 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, love his on hand. Again, It's not because 348 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't feel sympathy for somebody blowing out their own 349 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: hand it's the I'm walking around with twom Med. He's 350 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: talking about blowing up other people and then I bluff 351 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: my bone hand, Jay, ste what's you left on the weekend? 352 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: Oh man? 353 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: What not to have? The Astros came to town, and 354 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. On Friday Night did or Herscheizer 355 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: cause a stir so. For those that don't know the history, 356 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: the Astros cheated their way to a World Serious championship 357 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, and the commissioner didn't hold any players accountable, 358 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: no punishment, and when asked why you didn't vacate the 359 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: World Series championship from the Astro, the commissioner said some 360 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: mishmouth thing about slippery slopes. I don't know what is 361 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: worse than being caught cheating during a World Series in 362 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: which you won a championship in I don't know where 363 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: the slippery slope exists. But anyways, Dodger fans never forget 364 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: what happened, and they never forgot that the Astros never 365 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: received any punishment. So on Friday Night or a Hersheiser, 366 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 2: much to his credit, God bless him, Bulldog on Friday Night, 367 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: I think it was Joe Davis. He said this on 368 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: the broadcast it hard the. 369 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 6: Deep center field Pat has on the round a turna 370 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 6: lats this one wedge itsself in the bottom of the 371 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 6: rod and Cam Smith flying into second, anchoring there with 372 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 6: another extra base it for the Astros. Double homer, double 373 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 6: Philip in third against Gasparios. I have a lot of 374 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 6: open hold room, but in some ways they're swinging at 375 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 6: these breaking balls like they know what it's coming. 376 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: So earl, earl with a great line, and that went 377 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: viral and Astros Twitter really hated it. I retweeted hashtag 378 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: never forget, hashtag Houston Asterisks and got a crapload from 379 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 2: the Houston Astros of when are you guys going to 380 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: get over this? It's been eight years? How about this? 381 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: If you guys are properly punished, we would probably be 382 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: over it by now. So I blame Manfred and I 383 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: blame Astros for having the lack of character to cheat. 384 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Okay, that's what we love. 385 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: Let's get to it. We hated over the weekend. Our 386 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: resident hater is none than Jason Stewart. Goes last than 387 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: love because he loves the least first. I hate because 388 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: he hates the most Chase two. 389 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: You hate to see the Astros sweep the Dodgers, ever, 390 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: but you definitely hated to see the Astros sweep the 391 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: Dodgers this past weekend at Dodger Stadium. And then I 392 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: will had a really good seat to see the final 393 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 2: game of that sweep, one in which the well one 394 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 2: holdover from the twenty seventeen squad, Jose al Tuv I 395 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: went to boo him and heckle him personally, and he 396 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 2: launched a home run in the ninth inning. I think 397 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: was a direct response to my heckling. He was asked 398 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: after the game about this heckling from yours truly? 399 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 8: Is that what twenty seventh stamps for the number of 400 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 8: pitches you saw coming to the twenty seventeen postseason? 401 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: Huh? Is that what twenty seventh stamps for? Answer me? 402 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 2: He never answered me, but he did hit a home 403 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: run in the ninth inning the Astro swept. When he 404 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: was asked afterwards, he said it rattled him for a 405 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: little bit, but he gained his composure for his last 406 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: at bat. 407 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 1: That was terrible trash talk, too wordy. Nobody's catching all 408 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: those words? 409 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: Is it because he's English second language? Sure? Do you 410 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: just think he was too wordy? Anyways? 411 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: I just thought it was too wordy. A short pointed 412 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: to the point like like again, I know the fan 413 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: got in trouble for it because he yelled at the 414 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: wrong du But like your mom is better than. 415 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 9: Is twenty seven the number of times you knew a 416 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 9: ball was coming to you back in the previous playoffs, 417 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 9: not last year or the year before or the year 418 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 9: before that, but back several years ago? 419 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: Is that the number? Dumb? 420 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 7: Should we send Jason to Robin Ficker for some h 421 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 7: for a consultation on proper heckling technique? 422 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: Is that the old heckler from the Washington Capitals. 423 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 7: Washington Wizards when they were the Bullets. 424 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: But yes, sir, yeah, Washington Bullets. That's right. I used 425 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: to like re read things to Michael Jordan. It was 426 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: he was great. 427 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 7: Yeah when the Jordan rules came out. 428 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. What what did I hate from the weekend? 429 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 10: Uh? 430 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: Well, I'm I hate the fact that people and listen, 431 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: I know what's gonna happen tonight. Okay. I live on 432 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: a lake, so it's really cool. On Fourth July you 433 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: look around the lake and there's just everywhere you can 434 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: go fireworks. But like, we've hit the point where it's over. 435 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: It was a little bit over last night, now it's 436 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: really over. And I understand you may not have a dog, 437 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: you may not have little kids. I have a dog. 438 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: I have three. Actually one is definitely afraid of fireworks, 439 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable. So for Fourth July we put them in 440 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: the room. We can surround them with blankets. You know, 441 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: it's all his favorite things. Try and get them away 442 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: from the noise so he doesn't know it's happening, all 443 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: that stuff. But once you get past, like, hey, we're 444 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: a three day weekend, it's over. Stop blowing up the 445 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: damn fireworks. Okay, stop stop, it's over. Fourth of July 446 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 1: is over. Move on. I love. What do you got? 447 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 7: But both sides of the coin. By the way, what 448 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 7: are the names of your dogs? 449 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: I'm curious. 450 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: We have Odell Beckham Junior Junior, we have Luca dog chicks, 451 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: and we have Vince Lombardi. Well first of five, well 452 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: he goes by Odi or Odell, Okay, then uh Luca 453 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: goes by Chomps, gos them chumps, and then uh vinceent 454 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: Lombardi goes by Barty Barty, Odie chumps. 455 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: If you're keeping score at home. Within two minutes on 456 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: this broadcast, Doug has insulted me for being too wordy 457 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: and maybe too nuances. 458 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 7: It was constructive, constructive feedback. 459 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: More and then he gives the name of those dogs 460 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: that are far too nuanced and wordy. 461 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: No, no, no, listen, that's their full names. Okay. My 462 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: name is Douglas Mitchell Gottlieb. I go by Doug. Okay. 463 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: It calls me Doug or DG or Doug Gottlieb. Okay, 464 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: so it's not nuanced. He asked the names. I gave 465 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: him the names. Then I gave what we actually call them. 466 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: That's okay, you were too wordy. No one would argue otherwise, 467 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: Like Ryan, was that good trash talk from Jason Stewart 468 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: at live in a baseball game? 469 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 8: No, it was pretty bad, right. 470 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 7: I love that was a small sample size, but I 471 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 7: see ways that he could have been more effective. 472 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: Okay, So the point is that I'm your friend, and 473 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it was bad. Do better. And I 474 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: have several other baseball friends who are like Jayceonu's really 475 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: heckling jose Al Tuve, he's such a fan there, he's 476 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: such a fan. I was like, yeah, he actually is. 477 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: He's a real fan, real fan. 478 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 7: This is a sore subject. But during your first sideline 479 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 7: this past year, would would would you find Okay, we. 480 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: Were there, they're terrible. 481 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 7: Were there any that you kind of chuckle to yourself 482 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 7: and say, no, that's that was pretty clever? 483 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Yes, there was so so most of them were really 484 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: most of you are terrible at it, like, don't do 485 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: a podcast, like that's not really trash talk, it's not 486 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: really past talk. But there was. There was a group 487 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: at Cleveland State and what happened was one of the 488 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: guys was got a little bit over the line where 489 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: he was talking to ask him where my daughter Harper's 490 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: where's Harper? Where's Harper? Bring harp right? So I went 491 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: in at halftime halftime, I walked over and I said, hey, 492 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: look man, okay, that's out of bounds. My daughter's out 493 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: of bounds. So mentor again, I'll have you escort out 494 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: of the arena, which is my right as a coach. 495 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: So we go back to the second half and they're like, 496 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: where's Gauge. What Gauge is my nephew, he's he was 497 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: a senior high school now he's going to GCU as 498 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: a manager Grand Canyon and he's like, is Gauge out 499 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: of bounds? I thought that was funny. I thought that 500 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: was funny. That was a quick adjustment by a Cleveland 501 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: State student. Most of them were terrible, though, every got 502 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: heckled every. 503 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 7: Game, So they're actually taking the time to do deep 504 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 7: Internet research. 505 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: Was kind of well group that group did. It's not 506 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: that deep, but that group did. Most groups is just like, 507 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: go back to your podcast or your radio show sucks too, Okay, thanks. 508 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 7: By the way, that's cool about Gage. Grand Canyon is 509 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,239 Speaker 7: a great, great environment there, you go, great arena down there. 510 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna work for Bryce. Uh, Bryce true a riot Smith. 511 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: You know what, I really fuck. 512 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 8: Going to a podcast. That's funny. 513 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's not. 514 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 8: Meaning's just funny. 515 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 2: I was like, it's it's so random, go to a podcast. 516 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to a podcast. 517 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 2: Uh. 518 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 8: I hated the fact that I had to relive the 519 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 8: Astros beating the Dodgers in that World Series, that Game 520 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 8: seven when the Dodgers lost. That was my birthday. I 521 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 8: was that crushed me and I and this weekend when 522 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 8: we got swept by them. I really hated that so 523 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 8: that would that's what really take me off for the weekend, 524 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 8: and that. 525 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: Is love and hate. Jay Stu, Jay Stu, you know 526 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: you know why that segment went so much quicker. 527 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 10: Let's see we have Ryan and I lo one here. 528 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 10: Sam's out. Yeah, that's we know our reason right that 529 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 10: last part. Yep, we love Sam. But if you think 530 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 10: that your trash talk was wordy, I give you Iowa, Sam, 531 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 10: We're making a point. 532 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: It's been word He doesn't quite know where the stops 533 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: on is. You know that is the over aggressive runner 534 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: who goes right through the stops on. 535 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: He reminds me of was it plane trains and automobiles 536 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: where John Candy's driving the wrong way down the road 537 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: and uh, some guy pulls. He pulls up alongside somebody 538 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: and Gay goes, you're going the wrong way, and he goes, 539 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: you want to race? He reminds me of you want 540 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: to race? 541 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio has the the best sports talk lineup 542 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 5: in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox 543 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 5: sports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 544 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: I was today years old that I learned, right, You 545 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: learn lots of things. It's weird as you get older. 546 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: Right now, I coach college kids. I'm a head coach 547 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: of Wisconsin Green Bay and it again. I have a 548 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: really good group of young men that want to learn, 549 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: want to get better at basketball. We try and teach 550 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: them about life a little bit. And you know, college 551 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: is just in a weird sort of phase where so 552 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: many schools because of COVID went online, and then you 553 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: factor in chat, GPT and everything else. How much are 554 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: kids actually learning? But the biggest difference between a kid 555 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: in an adult, I think there's two or three things, right, Like, 556 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: you know you're an adult when you know ever turned 557 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: down a nap. It never turned down a nap. I mean, 558 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: ask tuy and and even Ryan who doesn't have kids. 559 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: If you go like, hey, man, two o'clock, what if 560 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I if I give you like an hour to shut 561 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 1: off your phone and take a nap, there isn't an 562 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: adult live that'll be like down for that. A kid 563 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: you say, hey, take a nap. You know, after you 564 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: get to like two years old, you're done with naps. Adults, well, adults, 565 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: they will order vegetables or order salads, you know, or 566 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: actually ask for them for dinner. Most kids like, what 567 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: why you have to make them eat vegetables? Make them 568 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: eat legomes, make them eat eat fruits. Right, that's the 569 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: difference in adults. And the other thing about adults as 570 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: opposed to kids is, I don't know if you're like 571 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: this when you do the whole you know, you help 572 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: your kid with their homework, But man, you get to 573 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: a certain age and you're like, man, I kind of 574 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: like learning. Maybe it was how we were taught, Maybe 575 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: it was the teachers, maybe it was our desire to 576 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: do other things. But I remember being in school and 577 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: I just could not wait for every day to be over, 578 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: as opposed to now, Damn, I love learning things. I 579 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: just do. Sunday I learned that a handball in soccer 580 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: was not just simply the ball touching a non goalkeeper's hand. 581 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: I literally Monday, I walked in and I was like, man, 582 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know that the ball could graze your hand, 583 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: and if it was in the natural motion of whatever 584 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: you were doing as a as an athlete in soccer, 585 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: it didn't mean it was a handball. I don't know 586 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: did anybody know that. I mean, I'm sure like soccer 587 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: guys like, yeah, you're dope. Hey, I played soccer growing up. 588 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: I don't remember any of that stuff. I just remember 589 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: the tunnel, I remember caprice on, I remember scoring goals. 590 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: I you know, I don't remember any of that. So 591 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: I love learning, and I'll tell you something I learned today. Okay, 592 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: there was a playwright in the sixteen and seventeen hundreds, 593 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: mostly seventeen hundreds. His name was William Congrieve. You're like, 594 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: why are you telling me about a playwright, because he's 595 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: the one who authored up the phrase, hell hath no 596 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: fury like a woman's scorn, Hell hath no fury like 597 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: a woman's scorn. Have you ever heard that? If you 598 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: haven't heard that, when I bet, he also said you 599 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: must not kiss and tell, so kiss and tell, and 600 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: hell hath no worries, hell hath no wrath like a 601 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: scorned woman. That's that we changed the words that change 602 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: the order of it. We hell hath no furry like 603 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: a woman's scorn. That was William Congreve, who is a 604 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: famous playwright in the sixteen and seventeen hundreds. I was 605 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: born in sixteen seventy died in seventeen twenty nine, And like, 606 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: why are you starting out with that? Saying, well, I'll 607 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: tell you I also learned that apparently there's not a 608 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: true standalone version of it, but a video game within 609 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: a video game for EA Sports. So EA Sports has 610 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: two K? Or is it? EA Sports has two K? 611 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: You're familiar with two K okay, so apparently there's also 612 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: a WNBA version of two K. And I get it right, 613 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: Like what is two K? If you take away all 614 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: the dunks and the made layups and three points and 615 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: the high percentage of made three point shots, and you 616 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: have WNBA. But there is no denying the WNBA's sudden 617 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: rise in popularity, and for those of us who are 618 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: honest with ourselves, it's because of Kaitlin Clark. And you know, 619 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: we can get into the reasons why I love the 620 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: people that fall on the race aspect of it, when 621 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: then you point out, like, hey, Sabrina in Sq and 622 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: Kelsey Plumb were great women's college basketball players who came 623 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: to the league had have been great WNBA players, and 624 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: they have not received any amount of the acclaim of 625 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: a Caitlin Clark. There's a bunch of different factors, mostly 626 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: likely the logo threes, the hey we love Steph Curry 627 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: And here's the closest version of it, who happened to 628 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: play the same school for four years, happen, to take 629 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: her to a team to two straight final fours, happened. 630 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: Looks like everybody else's little sister. All of those things 631 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,439 Speaker 1: she kind of nails. But upon my quest to learn 632 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: something every day, I found out that there's an NBA 633 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: two K version focusing on the WNBA. But here's the kicker. 634 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: The cover choice was Angel Rees. Was Angel Rees. And 635 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: it just continues this pattern of the WNBA doing everything 636 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: in their power to I don't know if it's diminished 637 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark or to promote everybody other than Kaitlin Clark, 638 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: but whatever it is, we try and search for reasons, 639 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: and I keep falling back on hell. Hath no wrath, 640 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: like a woman scorned William Cornelius in the late sixteen hundreds, 641 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: and like, wait a second, why are they scored? Caitlin 642 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: Clark said nothing negative towards any of these women. She 643 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: doesn't have to. The only logical conclusion as to why 644 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: so many of these women have done everything in their 645 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: power to marginalize, horise to fame and what it's done 646 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: for the entire sport of women's basketball is that you 647 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: have women that feel like they've been scorned by media, 648 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: by mainstream fans for their entire lives, and it it 649 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: comes out as anger and resentment towards Caitlin Clark. Does 650 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: that make sense? There's something called the Have you ever 651 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: heard the anger Iceberg? If you go through therapy, people 652 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 1: tell you it's you learn the anger Iceberg That people 653 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: are angry and they get snappy with one of the 654 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: other in like relationships, and it's not about that one thing. 655 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: It's about all this other thing, all the insecurities, all 656 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: the mistrust, all the times of other relationships that have 657 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: gone bad, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, And it 658 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: comes out as snappyiness towards one another. And any relationship 659 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: you have, even in business, you pocket resentment towards somebody 660 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: else getting in promotion, somebody else getting shine, You not 661 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: feeling like you're heard in a meeting, you having a 662 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: bad interaction with somebody at a Christmas party, whatever. For 663 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: these women, Okay, remember I see it as most of 664 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: us see it. I'm Doug Gottlieben for Collin. This is 665 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: the herd twenty five years of the WNBA. I'm not 666 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: as negative about their overall talent and skill as others are. 667 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 1: It's a different sport. Our expectations are different. We don't 668 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: have the one hundred years of history in the NBA, 669 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: and we just don't if you take away the NBA 670 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: with the dunks and the proficiency from three point line. 671 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: You know, and the other part about NBA players is 672 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: they look like superheroes, whereas many of those women. Though 673 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: for women, crazy athletic, crazy talented, there just is no comparison. 674 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: When you watch one game to the other, it's like 675 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: watching one in slow motion and one that plays below 676 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: the rim, and below the rim causes more mislayups and 677 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: it's again just a different, much less athletic game. And 678 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: for twenty five years, we didn't pay attention to it 679 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: in sports media and I've been a part of sports 680 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: media for twenty five years. We didn't pay attention to 681 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: it because nobody did the science to this is not 682 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: that hard to figure out, Cullen. This is me doing 683 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 1: the Colin thing. Cullen, you only want to talk about 684 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes and Edon Rodgers and Lebron James. Yeah, 685 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: because we're no different than top forty radio man play 686 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: the hits. Our job is to talk about what most 687 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: people care about. And we have twenty five years of 688 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: data that tells you most people don't care about the WNBA. 689 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: And the only reason we're talking about it now is 690 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: because Caitlin Clark has brought attention and people are in 691 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: fact talking about the WNBA now. So now we're going 692 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: to be attractive talking more about it. But when you're 693 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: raised as a women's basketball player, you're raised to believe 694 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: everybody's out to get you. Everybody's out to get you. Look, 695 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you recall, but if you go 696 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: back to the COVID year NCAA tournament, they had women 697 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,959 Speaker 1: who were in San Antonio and they had a little 698 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 1: makeshift weight room and it was like, you know, two 699 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: dumbbells and you know, and a balance ball. And then 700 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: they showed the men's weight room in Indianapolis and it 701 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: looked like it we're a weight room. And what happens is, 702 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, the the NCAA like apologize for it. It 703 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 1: acts like this was this was discrediting all of women's basketball. 704 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: When reality is one, it comes down to the planning committee, 705 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: that's what they have to do. Two, the men's teams, 706 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,959 Speaker 1: I believe all of them were there for like a month, 707 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: so they had to prep for it, and they had 708 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: the big ten tournament there, so they had all this 709 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: had all been kind of planned out, whereas for San 710 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: Antonio it was just a one stop shop and they 711 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: threw it together. And anybody who's ever traveled though knows 712 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: that like, it doesn't matter the hotel chain. You can 713 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: be a Hyatt guy, right or a Bonvoy guy, and 714 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: and some hotels have a rinky dink weight room and 715 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: some hotels don't. It doesn't have anything to do with 716 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: anything other than that particular hotel, that particular gentle manager 717 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: and what they think they want to focus their resources on. 718 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: But the point is that that case is no different 719 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: than anything else. Why do women have home sites during 720 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament instead of the regional sites that the 721 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: men have. Well, again, anyone who's realistic in business knows 722 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: that the reason they went back to home sites is 723 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: that's their only ability to draw people and to sell tickets. 724 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: They've played in the big arenas, it hasn't worked, by 725 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: and large. Trust me, if the NCAAFL like they could 726 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: make more money doing it, they would do it because 727 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: it's the only way in which they make money is 728 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments. But again, how 729 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: you and I view it from a business perspective, which 730 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: is very much in the neutral kind of corner, is hey, 731 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: they're doing it because it makes the most sense financially. 732 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: How women view it is, oh, we're a secondary tournament. 733 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: We have to play in home sites. Right, So it 734 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: doesn't matter necessarily what the reality of women's basketball was 735 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,240 Speaker 1: over the last twenty five years, right that you started 736 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,959 Speaker 1: from nothing and built it into something that was fairly sustainable. Again, 737 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,399 Speaker 1: those of us who lived it in real time, as 738 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: I have, like my media career, has mirrored essentially the 739 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 1: length of the WNBA. You went from being completely subsidized 740 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: by the NBA playing in these gargantuan arenas to hey, 741 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: let's dial this back, play in smaller venues, be smarter, Okay, 742 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,479 Speaker 1: save more money, fly commercial space out the games, et cetera, 743 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: et cetera. But how it's received is we've been treated 744 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: like crap for years, and now you're trying to push 745 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: this star who she might be another Jeremy Lynn Lin 746 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 1: sanity and we're not buying it. So when I saw 747 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: that quote today, I just and then I saw that 748 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 1: the two K version of NBA two had Angel Rees, 749 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: not Caitlin Clark, on the cover. Right, Because again, whether 750 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: or not you're buying or I'm buying a WNBA two 751 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: K game doesn't matter. Right, everything would be boosted up 752 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: if you put Caitlin Clark on. It probably cost you know, 753 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: the gaming company more to put her on the cover. 754 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: But the WNBA forcing us to to take on Angel 755 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: Reese as some sort of rival to Caitlin Clark, forcing it, 756 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: forcing it, forcing it makes it feel icky when as 757 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: or as it's super easy here, just put Caitlin Clark 758 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 1: on everything. It'll sell more, it'll be the rising tide 759 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: that lifts all ships. But from the Olympic team last year, 760 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: to the players only voting where they voted her the 761 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: ninth best guard, to putting Angel Rees on NBA two K, 762 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: to all the bitterness and pushback and the treatment of 763 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark where they're clearly trying to punk her and 764 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: bully her and her teammates, and to making and look bad. 765 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: All of that stuff leads most of us to go, 766 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: why would you do that? Why wouldn't you embrace the 767 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: fact that people are paying attention to your sport, covering 768 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: it like it's one of the big three sports. Probably 769 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: got more coverage in the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs. And 770 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: the only logical conclusion I can come to is hell 771 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: hath no wrath like as a woman scored all the 772 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: years of being made to feel like you're a secondary 773 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: or tertiary product, and probably even tertiary is not as 774 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 1: strong as they were leads women to push back against 775 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: anything seen as mainstream media and fans. Oh now you 776 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: like us, but only for her? Well put to you too, 777 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: Now give me your thoughts Twitter, Instagram at Gottlieb Show