WEBVTT - eBay Makes Billionaires

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>how Stuff Works and I love all things tech. And

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<v Speaker 1>in our last episode, I talked about how Pierre a

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<v Speaker 1>Midier launched a web page over the Labor Day weekend

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<v Speaker 1>in and he called it auction web. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>site that was on a larger site, or a page

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<v Speaker 1>that was on a larger site called eBay, and it

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<v Speaker 1>all started off as something of a hobby for him. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>to offset the hosting charges he was getting from his provider,

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<v Speaker 1>A midi Are instituted a small fee for successful auctions.

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<v Speaker 1>If the closing price on an auction was less than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five dollars, he would put in a five percent

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<v Speaker 1>fee for the final bid, and if it was more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty five dollars, it was a two point five

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<v Speaker 1>percent fee. It didn't take long for the site to

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<v Speaker 1>start pulling in more money than what it costs to run,

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly this hobby had become an actual business. By

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<v Speaker 1>mid nineteen, the auction site was earning a Midier enough

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<v Speaker 1>money for him to quit his job and bring on

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff's skull as the president of the company. In June,

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<v Speaker 1>the net worth of all the goods sold over auction

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<v Speaker 1>Web had hit seven point two million dollars. That's collectively

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<v Speaker 1>across the history of the site, and this was when

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<v Speaker 1>things were still pretty darn small. Every single month that

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<v Speaker 1>went by, the company was growing by twenty to fift

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<v Speaker 1>some months, marking a seventy five percent growth rate. In

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<v Speaker 1>no small part this was due to a media are

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<v Speaker 1>creating tools that allowed the community of auction Web to

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<v Speaker 1>form around the site. Users could rate one another and

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<v Speaker 1>were encouraged to do so with a gentle reminder that

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<v Speaker 1>praise is just as valid a form of feedback as

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<v Speaker 1>a complaint, and soon people were using the rating system

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<v Speaker 1>to great effect. A midier was gratified to see that

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<v Speaker 1>people were not immediately leaping to negative comments. A bulletin

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<v Speaker 1>board helped community members get questions answered by other more

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<v Speaker 1>experienced members of the community, and the community values were established.

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<v Speaker 1>Those values are actually stated on the community site. I

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<v Speaker 1>can cite them to you here. They are. We believe

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<v Speaker 1>people are basically good. We believe everybody has something to contribute.

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<v Speaker 1>We believe that an honest, open environment can bring out

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<v Speaker 1>the best in people. We recognize and respect everyone as

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<v Speaker 1>a unique individual. We encourage you to treat others the

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<v Speaker 1>way you want to be treated. Back to Jeff Skull,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the new president of the company, had a

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<v Speaker 1>few things he wanted to tackle to make business operations

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<v Speaker 1>run more smoothly and professionally. One of those was to

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<v Speaker 1>move auction Web and eBay out of a Midiers home.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, the three people working for the company were

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<v Speaker 1>meeting at his house and it just wasn't really working

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<v Speaker 1>out the way Skull wanted it to, and it ended

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<v Speaker 1>up being a harder thing to do than he had anticipated.

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<v Speaker 1>The real estate market in San Francisco was pretty tight,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for office space, and at first the team moved

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<v Speaker 1>out of a Medier's house into Skulls home, which had

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<v Speaker 1>more room but also had roommates. Then Skull, a Medier,

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<v Speaker 1>and part time employee Chris Garpo moved into a very

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<v Speaker 1>small office space over at the NASA Ames Technology Center. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>the team found an office space at the gray Lands

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<v Speaker 1>Business Park in Campbell, California, and they moved in. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna flash forward for just a second here. That

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<v Speaker 1>office Suite number two oh five at Hamilton Avenue Technically

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<v Speaker 1>in San Jose, California, is still a part of eBay.

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<v Speaker 1>The company eventually purchased the entire office park, and that

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<v Speaker 1>building is now called Music or Building number six. Each

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<v Speaker 1>building on the eBay campus sports the name of a

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<v Speaker 1>category of items you could list for auction on the site.

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<v Speaker 1>Skull also wanted to update the look of the website.

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<v Speaker 1>A Medier had built a functional site, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>much to look at, and Skull hated that auction Web,

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<v Speaker 1>the one element that was bringing in all the money,

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<v Speaker 1>was sharing a general website space with a page about

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<v Speaker 1>Tufts University's alumni association and another about a biotech startup

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<v Speaker 1>company where a Medeo's wife worked, and a third page

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<v Speaker 1>about the Ebola virus. He wanted a Midier to remove

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<v Speaker 1>all those elements and have auction Web be the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing at eBay dot com. Initially, a Medier put up

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<v Speaker 1>a defense. He said that Ebola information that page about

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<v Speaker 1>the virus was highly ranked in search and likely drove

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of traffic to eBay dot com. But Skull

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<v Speaker 1>remained adamant, and eventually a Medier would give in pe

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<v Speaker 1>we're already referring to auction Web just as eBay at

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<v Speaker 1>that point, Skull argued, and to include it under an

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<v Speaker 1>umbrella of such disjointed subjects was bound to cause confusion

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<v Speaker 1>further down the road and to make it more challenging

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<v Speaker 1>to form strategic partnerships and to get funding. Skull also

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<v Speaker 1>wanted someone to handle all the customer support questions that

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<v Speaker 1>were coming in because a medier had been doing that

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<v Speaker 1>and it was taking up a lot of his time.

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<v Speaker 1>So he looked through the bulletin board community and he

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that one user who went by the handle Uncle Griff,

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<v Speaker 1>was particularly helpful. But Uncle Griff hadn't posted much over

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of months, so Skull decided to reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to this person and find out what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>That person turned out to be Jim Griffith, who had

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to pursue a career as an actor but had

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<v Speaker 1>not seen much success. He was then an artist for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, and then he was in a really low

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<v Speaker 1>place in nine and had been battling depression. He was

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<v Speaker 1>on something of an swing when he got the call

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<v Speaker 1>from Skull, which shocked him, and he got an offer

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<v Speaker 1>to become eBay's second part time employee, Griffith, accepted the

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<v Speaker 1>job and took on the handle Dale as his customer

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<v Speaker 1>service identity for the company, and he was paid the

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<v Speaker 1>princely sum of one dollars per month to answer emails

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<v Speaker 1>and do what he did best on the bulletin board,

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<v Speaker 1>which was to help people out. Skull would actually do

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<v Speaker 1>this again, and he reached out to an antique store

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<v Speaker 1>operator from Indianapolis named Patty Ruby. Patty had adopted the

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<v Speaker 1>handle Aunt Patty on the auction Web bulletin board, and

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<v Speaker 1>so she was known to the community and had been

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<v Speaker 1>helpful on numerous occasions, being both computer savvy and knowledgeable

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<v Speaker 1>about antiques. She too accepted the offer to work part

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<v Speaker 1>time for the company, though she soon moved to working

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<v Speaker 1>full time and she quit her normal job. Both Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>griff and Aunt Patty are examples of how eBay would

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<v Speaker 1>rely heavily on the community they've grown up around the service,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than seeking professionals outside of the site. Skull followed

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<v Speaker 1>his instinct and decided that the most passionate and helpful

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<v Speaker 1>members of the community were the ones to tap. They

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<v Speaker 1>would jump at the chance to come on board as employees.

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<v Speaker 1>They already knew the auction web system backward and forward.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have to have any training on that, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a move that just made sense. In November,

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<v Speaker 1>eBay made the first of many third party licensing deals,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was with a company called Electronic Travel Auction

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<v Speaker 1>or e t A. And e t A wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>create a way to allow users to bid for travel

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<v Speaker 1>related goods and services like airline tickets, hotel rooms, vacation packages,

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<v Speaker 1>and more. Now eBay still officially known as auction Web,

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<v Speaker 1>though no one was calling it, that would host auctions

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<v Speaker 1>not just from individuals or small business owners, but also

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<v Speaker 1>from third parties, and that would continue throughout eBay's history.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I've more to say about these middle days of eBay,

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<v Speaker 1>but first let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>The following year would be a big one for eBay.

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<v Speaker 1>For one thing, it's the year that auction Web technically

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<v Speaker 1>went away. This must have been a great relief to

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Skull. The design of auction Web was pretty simple.

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<v Speaker 1>The logo was just the name auction Web, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there was a gray scale bar that was right next

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and it would get darker along its length.

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<v Speaker 1>Until it was black at the very end. Some folks

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<v Speaker 1>would call it the death bar because it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of grim and black and white now and eBay, the

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<v Speaker 1>parents site that hosted auction Web had the exact same

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<v Speaker 1>bar next to its name, not very inspired. By January nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the site was hosting two million auctions a month. Throughout

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<v Speaker 1>n the site had hosted two fifty thousand auctions total,

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<v Speaker 1>so growth was truly explosive. One thing that fueled such

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<v Speaker 1>crazy growth was Beanie Babies. And you may, Madrugis have

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten about beanie babies, or or maybe you never were

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<v Speaker 1>around to experience that particular fad. And I know there

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<v Speaker 1>was a Beanie Babies two point oh that came out

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<v Speaker 1>sometime around two thousand and eight, but come on, those

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<v Speaker 1>never achieved the fever pitch of that original run. Beanie

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<v Speaker 1>Babies are a line of plush toys. They're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like bean bags, and they're cute little animals, and they

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<v Speaker 1>caught on like gang busters, and collectors rushed stores to

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<v Speaker 1>grab them as soon as they would hit store shelves.

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<v Speaker 1>A few Beanie Babies were produced in limited runs, which

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<v Speaker 1>drove up their market value significantly. I remember even seeing

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<v Speaker 1>roadside stands with beanie babies, which were probably counterfeits in retrospect,

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<v Speaker 1>but those were being sold on the side of the road,

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<v Speaker 1>and those were heavy days, my friend. Anyway, beanie babies

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<v Speaker 1>were one of the most popular products moving across eBay

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seven. According to the company's own timeline, the

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<v Speaker 1>sales of beanie babies hit about half a billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and they represented more than six percent of the company's

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<v Speaker 1>total volume of sales going across its site, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of beanie babies. And I also meant

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<v Speaker 1>that there were a lot of of of listing fees

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<v Speaker 1>that were coming into eBay as people were bidding on

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<v Speaker 1>and winning these things. In May nine seven, eBay made

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<v Speaker 1>its one millionth sale, or to be fair, users made

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<v Speaker 1>the one millionth sale. eBay profited off of it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, you just heard me say just a short

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<v Speaker 1>while ago that the company had hit two million auctions

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<v Speaker 1>back in January nine, So how could they only hit

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<v Speaker 1>their millionth sale in May seven. Well, keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>not every auction results in an actual sale. So if

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<v Speaker 1>we say that the company had two million auctions in

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<v Speaker 1>January and the million item was sold in May, we

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<v Speaker 1>see the success rate of auctions is less than fifty

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of interesting. Oh that millionth item, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, in case you were curious, was a big

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<v Speaker 1>Bird jack in the box toy, as in big Bird

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<v Speaker 1>from Sesame Street, and it was to it's cute. In

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<v Speaker 1>September nine, auction Web officially took its final bow and

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<v Speaker 1>transformed metamorphosis like into eBay, so auction Web was no more.

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<v Speaker 1>eBay was now the name of the service and the company,

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<v Speaker 1>which everyone had pretty much been using since it launched.

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<v Speaker 1>But around that same time, the company received nearly seven

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars in venture capital funding, and Skull decided that

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<v Speaker 1>the logo needed a facelift two, as the death bar

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't precisely appealing. For a very short while, eBay adopted

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<v Speaker 1>a navy blue logo that had a stylized E and

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<v Speaker 1>combined with each other. But this didn't last very long

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact may have never shown up on an

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<v Speaker 1>online site anywhere, and may never have appeared on a

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<v Speaker 1>web page. My research didn't show any signs of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It did show up on some stationary and letterhead, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was about it. They contacted an ad agency called

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<v Speaker 1>c K S group, and they hired them to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with a new design for the logo. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cleary, who worked at c k S, the team

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<v Speaker 1>felt that eBay's new logo had to appeal to a

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<v Speaker 1>broad base of people because folks from all different walks

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<v Speaker 1>of life were actually making use of the site. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>the team came up with a new design in which

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<v Speaker 1>eBay has a colorful logo with a red E, a

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<v Speaker 1>blue be, a yellow A, and a green y. The

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<v Speaker 1>letters slightly overlap one another, and the baseline shifted from

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<v Speaker 1>letter to letters so they were slightly offset vertically. The

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<v Speaker 1>team felt the new logo was friendly and accessible, and

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<v Speaker 1>the logo rolled out in the fall of n along

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<v Speaker 1>with a complete redesign of the page. Meanwhile, Jeff Skull

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<v Speaker 1>and Pierre A. Midier were looking for someone to lead

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<v Speaker 1>eBay moving forward with the goal of transforming the company

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<v Speaker 1>into a publicly traded company. By now, we're talking n

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<v Speaker 1>and era in which the sky was the limit for

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<v Speaker 1>Internet companies. Things were just starting to really take off,

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<v Speaker 1>and the dot com bubble was poised to expand dramatically

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<v Speaker 1>before it would ultimately collapse. A few years later, eBay

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<v Speaker 1>was on the verge of transitioning from a startup into

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<v Speaker 1>a much larger entity, and Skull in a midi Are

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<v Speaker 1>needed someone with experience to take the helm. The two

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to Meg Whitman. Whitman says she got a

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<v Speaker 1>call from a headhunter about working for eBay and being

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<v Speaker 1>its new president and CEO, but she wasn't eager to

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<v Speaker 1>take the company up on the offer because it would

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<v Speaker 1>mean traveling across the country to take a new job.

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<v Speaker 1>She was worried about the impact this would have on

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<v Speaker 1>her husband and their kids, and when she visited the site,

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<v Speaker 1>she said she saw the stuff about the biotech company

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<v Speaker 1>that Pamela worked for and the Ebola virus, and she

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<v Speaker 1>wondered what the heck was going on, So she must

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<v Speaker 1>have seen the site before omdi Are shifted all those

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<v Speaker 1>pages away. But she did agree to meet with Omdiar

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<v Speaker 1>and he convinced her to sign on with the company

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<v Speaker 1>as the new CEO after she spent about a day

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<v Speaker 1>in the company's offices. When Whitman joined, eBay was a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty person operation and it was pulling in about four

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars in revenue. Whitman had extensive experience in business.

0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.440
<v Speaker 1>She had worked as a brand manager for Procter and

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<v Speaker 1>Gamble and rose to the role of senior vice president there.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she worked for other companies like the Walt Disney

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<v Speaker 1>Company and Hasbro. Whitman began work by reorganizing the company.

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<v Speaker 1>She created business divisions focused on specific verticals and formed

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<v Speaker 1>executive teams by pulling people from some of the very

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<v Speaker 1>companies she used to work for to head up those

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<v Speaker 1>new divisions. She also continued work on eBay's redesign, and

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<v Speaker 1>she demanded the site create a walled off age restricted

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<v Speaker 1>offshoot for sales of items that were not appropriate for families,

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<v Speaker 1>things like pornography or firearms. Now eventually eBay would form

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<v Speaker 1>policies that would ban such stuff from their sites. That

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<v Speaker 1>you can't sell firearms that auction on eBay. You also

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<v Speaker 1>can't sell things like drugs or alcohol, oh and body

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<v Speaker 1>parts yikes. In May, the site launched a new feature

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<v Speaker 1>called my eBay, which allowed users to customize their eBay experience,

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<v Speaker 1>making it easier for them to find things they were

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<v Speaker 1>most interested in and to keep up to speed with auctions.

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<v Speaker 1>And in June, eBay acquired another company called Jump Incorporated.

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<v Speaker 1>Jump Incorporated developed a trading service supported by ads, and

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<v Speaker 1>that service was called up for sale before being the

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<v Speaker 1>number four. It would be the first of several acquisitions

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<v Speaker 1>led by Meg Whitman. Not all of them would turn

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<v Speaker 1>out to necessarily be great moves for eBay. Spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, but Whitman was working hard to prepare eBay

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<v Speaker 1>for that initial public offering, and when it happened, it

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<v Speaker 1>would turn all those who had a significant share in

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<v Speaker 1>eBay into billionaires. I'll tell you more about that in

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<v Speaker 1>just a second, but first let's take another quick break

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsor. In late September, eBay held its

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<v Speaker 1>initial public offering. The opening price for eBay was listed

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<v Speaker 1>at eighteen dollars per share. The stock price behaved a

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<v Speaker 1>bit like an eBay auction. It climbed higher and higher.

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<v Speaker 1>It peaked at fifty three dollars fifty cents per share,

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<v Speaker 1>but were closing a little lower at forty seven and

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<v Speaker 1>three eights. That would be an increase of one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three percent over its opening price. There were three

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<v Speaker 1>point five million shares offered, which gave the company a

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<v Speaker 1>market capitalization of one point oh five billion dollars. The

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<v Speaker 1>IBO raised some sixty three million dollars in cash. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the fifth most successful I p O ever, and

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<v Speaker 1>this humble hobby turned a metier into a billionaire. Whitman

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<v Speaker 1>jokingly issued a warning to eBay employees that she would

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<v Speaker 1>fire them if they kept their eyes on the stock

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<v Speaker 1>price day after day. They were understandably excited at their

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<v Speaker 1>new found wealth, and people were frequently having the stock

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<v Speaker 1>price up on their web pages and staring at them

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<v Speaker 1>at the screen instead of actually doing their work. So

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<v Speaker 1>Whitman said, hey, guys, if you wanna remain millionaires, turn

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<v Speaker 1>off those screens. In December, the company founded the eBay Foundation,

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<v Speaker 1>and organization that uses pre i p O stock to

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<v Speaker 1>fund nonprofit organizations and entrepreneur ideas around the world. Pierre

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<v Speaker 1>and Pamela have spent much of their time and money

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to charitable endeavors, and the company has sort of

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<v Speaker 1>followed suit today. The eBay Foundation's mission statement is to

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<v Speaker 1>quote unleash the power of entrepreneurship to build economically vibrant

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<v Speaker 1>and sustainable communities. We develop strategic partnerships with nonprofit organizations

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<v Speaker 1>using our financial resources, platform and people to foster networks

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<v Speaker 1>of support for entrepreneurs and small businesses. Our programs focus

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<v Speaker 1>on vulnerable populations and underserved communities. We also empower eBay

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<v Speaker 1>employees to make a greater impact and communities around the

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<v Speaker 1>globe by matching their donations and making cash donations when

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<v Speaker 1>they volunteer. End quote. Now let's skip ahead a little bit.

0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.760
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna skip ahead to these some are of there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that were happening at this company,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're already getting pretty bogged down in my nusha,

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<v Speaker 1>so I want to hit some of the big, big

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<v Speaker 1>stories of eBay. The company was growing rapidly. We're still

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<v Speaker 1>in the dot com bubble phase. New employees were brought on,

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<v Speaker 1>revenues were up. The stock price had continued to climb,

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<v Speaker 1>hitting more than a hundred fifty dollars per share. At

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<v Speaker 1>this point, the dot com bubble was getting pretty darn big,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were only a few signs the dark times

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<v Speaker 1>were ahead for the industry as a whole. But eBay

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<v Speaker 1>suffered an early setback that got a lot of attention.

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<v Speaker 1>The site started having some serious connection issues. The stability

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<v Speaker 1>of the site was in question. In June nine, the

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<v Speaker 1>site went down for twenty two hours. This was huge

0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:54.600
<v Speaker 1>news at the time, buyers and sellers were angry and distraught.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that you're sitting there ready to snipe an auction

0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.359
<v Speaker 1>for a signed copy of Weird Old yank of Vic's

0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.040
<v Speaker 1>first album, and then the site crashes and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>come back for nearly a full day. So what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on? According to eBay, the software powering the site

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:16.520
<v Speaker 1>was at fault, and that software came from two outside vendors,

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<v Speaker 1>Sun Microsystems and Oracle. Now. I covered Oracle in some

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<v Speaker 1>recent episodes. You can go back and listen to those

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<v Speaker 1>and learn all about that company. It's also a fascinating story.

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<v Speaker 1>But other people were suggesting that perhaps the site had

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<v Speaker 1>stability issues due to scaling up to a larger platform,

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<v Speaker 1>the issue being that more and more people were using

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<v Speaker 1>eBay and the company just wasn't prepared to handle the

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<v Speaker 1>increase in traffic. Meg Whitman and Pierre a medi Are

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<v Speaker 1>issued a letter of apology to eBay users. They explained

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<v Speaker 1>that the company was working hard on creating a backup

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<v Speaker 1>system that could keep the site running in case of

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<v Speaker 1>a failure, and that sadly, this backup system just wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>quite ready before the crowd actually happened. So essentially they

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<v Speaker 1>were saying, we anticipated that this could be a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were working on the solution. The problem was

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<v Speaker 1>the solution wasn't ready before the problem happened. They also

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<v Speaker 1>said that they had contacted not just their own experts,

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<v Speaker 1>but people at these vendors like Sun Microsystems to work

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<v Speaker 1>tirelessly to get the site back up and running, and

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<v Speaker 1>they said they would institute a new policy moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>If the site were to crash for less than two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>any auction that was scheduled to end during those two

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<v Speaker 1>hours would automatically get a twenty four hour extension to

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<v Speaker 1>allow for additional bids unless the seller wished to end

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<v Speaker 1>the auction, and for any outage lasting more than two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>eBay would refund the fee it charged for a successful auction,

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<v Speaker 1>so in other words, there would be no listing price

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<v Speaker 1>that would be charged to a seller if the if

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<v Speaker 1>the site had been down for more than two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>and according to estimates, that twenty two hour crash cost

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<v Speaker 1>eBay about two million bucks in revenue, and while some

0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 1>users were motivated to leave the platform for other places

0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 1>like Amazon, many people chose to stay. The site had

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<v Speaker 1>a few more allegies that same summer, including a nine

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<v Speaker 1>hour outage that happened in August nine, and while this

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a pleasant experience, it did have a positive outcome,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Jim Griffith, a k a. Uncle griff He

0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.200
<v Speaker 1>said it caused eBay to realize that their work affected

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<v Speaker 1>real people in a very tangible way. People were relying

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<v Speaker 1>on eBay as a storefront, and when that storefront is down,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't make their living. He said. This realization motivated

0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 1>eBay to step up and work on creating a reliable

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<v Speaker 1>service that was more robust and resistant to outages. In

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<v Speaker 1>July nine, not even a year after the I p O,

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<v Speaker 1>eBay expanded internationally, launching sites in Germany, the UK, and Australia.

0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Women demanded that each country of its own tailored version

0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:04.400
<v Speaker 1>of eBay that would appeal to the people of those countries,

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<v Speaker 1>and in January two thousand, eBay would purchase several buildings

0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 1>in the business park it occupied. This is when they

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:15.440
<v Speaker 1>created eBay Park, and as I said, earlier buildings took

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<v Speaker 1>on the names of the various categories eBay offered, and

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<v Speaker 1>in April two thousand, eBay introduced a new company called

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<v Speaker 1>eBay Motors, At the time, it was a pretty wild

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<v Speaker 1>idea to purchase a new or used car from an

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.320
<v Speaker 1>online storefront. But it worked, and it works so well

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<v Speaker 1>that others began to follow suit, and suddenly eBay Motors

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<v Speaker 1>had some pretty stiff competition. Like the normal auction site,

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<v Speaker 1>eBay Motors would only charge users if a transaction completed

0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 1>across the site. At that point, eBay would charge the

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<v Speaker 1>seller a listing fee, which was capped at a maximum

0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:54.360
<v Speaker 1>of one dollars. Since the acquisition of Up for Sale

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 1>back in, eBay had purchased several other companies, and most

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<v Speaker 1>of the were either auction services or payment systems. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand one, eBay bought a French company called I Bizarre,

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 1>which gave eBay another foothold in Europe. It was another

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 1>similar service that was going on in France, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of this led up to the largest acquisition the company

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 1>would make in those early years, which was PayPal. That

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<v Speaker 1>acquisition happened in two thousand two, and it was valued

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<v Speaker 1>at one point five billion dollars, making it by far

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<v Speaker 1>the largest acquisition eBay had pursued up to that point.

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<v Speaker 1>According to a press release, Meg Whitman said, quote eBay

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<v Speaker 1>and PayPal have complementary missions. We both empower people to

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<v Speaker 1>buy and sell online. Together, we can improve the user

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<v Speaker 1>experience and make online trading more compelling. We can also

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<v Speaker 1>capture greater value from the e commerce opportunities occurring both

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<v Speaker 1>on and off our site. PayPal had been founded by

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Thiel and Max Levchin, who had worked together on

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<v Speaker 1>a business called Confinity. In nine Confinity launched PayPal to

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 1>fill in a gap the two perceived an online payment processing.

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<v Speaker 1>PayPal had just held its own I p O back

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<v Speaker 1>in February two thousand two before this acquisition, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would remain part of eBay for more than a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>It would eventually spin off in two thousand and fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>as its own company after leadership faced some tough demands

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.919
<v Speaker 1>from important investors. More on that in an upcoming episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll also cover an even larger acquisition in that

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<v Speaker 1>future episode, one that raised eyebrows and Silicon Valley and

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>created a buzz that perhaps Whitman was making some fullhardy moves.

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<v Speaker 1>It's another big name in tech that would eventually find

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 1>a new home at Microsoft. And of course I'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about Whitman's legacy at eBay before she stepped down

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<v Speaker 1>as CEO, as well as what the company has been

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<v Speaker 1>up to more recently. One thing I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>cover since we're talking about the dot com boom and bust,

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<v Speaker 1>is how eBay was all to weather that storm. In

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<v Speaker 1>large part, it was because eBay fell into a category

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<v Speaker 1>that we largely associate with the concept of Web two

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<v Speaker 1>point oh. And I've talked about this before about how

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<v Speaker 1>web two point oh is kind of a weird phrase.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like it was the next version of the

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<v Speaker 1>web that you first had Web one point oh and

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<v Speaker 1>then you had Web two point oh. It's not quite

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<v Speaker 1>that simple. Web two point oh was really more about

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<v Speaker 1>a group of best practices that if you followed, you

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<v Speaker 1>were more likely to survive than if you did not

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<v Speaker 1>follow those and that included having ways for users to

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<v Speaker 1>interact with each other and with the site, to have

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of dynamic user generated content be part of

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<v Speaker 1>your experience, and that that would demonstrate more value and

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 1>people would be more likely to support your company. And

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<v Speaker 1>so eBay fell into that category, as did companies like Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas other companies that did not have this feature found

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>it more difficult to survive. Now it's too simple to

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<v Speaker 1>say that just because the community eBay was able to

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 1>weather the storms of dot com, they also were flush

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 1>with cash. They had had a very successful I p O.

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>They were they had a successful way of generating revenue,

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>so they were actually making money because people were still

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>using eBay to sell things, so they had a working

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>revenue model. That was a large advantage over a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the startup companies that bloomed in the dot com

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:40.640
<v Speaker 1>days before they wilted away because they no longer could

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>demonstrate value. They couldn't make money. They had these great

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<v Speaker 1>ideas and they had a lot of investors, but they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a business plan, and ultimately that ended up failing.

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<v Speaker 1>Or they tried to expand so quickly that eventually they

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<v Speaker 1>realized they were reaching too far and they overbalanced themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>eBay did not do either of those things, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it did make this enormous acquisition in PayPal. Our next

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<v Speaker 1>new episode will actually be a celebration of tech stuffs

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<v Speaker 1>tenth anniversary. Yep, we're turning ten years old, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put the story of eBay on hold until after

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<v Speaker 1>our ten year celebration episode, but we will pick back

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<v Speaker 1>up again once we finished partying, you know, and the

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<v Speaker 1>streamers have come down, and I've taken the lamp shade

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<v Speaker 1>off my head, and we'll be picking back up in

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<v Speaker 1>about two thousand two with eBay and I'll see you then,

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<v Speaker 1>party people. For the meantime, If you guys have any

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<v Speaker 1>suggestions for future topics for tech stuff, send me an

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<v Speaker 1>or drop me a line on Facebook or Twitter. The

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and I will

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you again on text stuffs tenth anniversary? Can

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<v Speaker 1>you leave it really soon? For more on this and

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