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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 2: With Tim and Jeff Kirtchin another October edition, and today's

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Speaker 2: guest is Bobby Valentine.

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Speaker 3: Right and Jeff, I covered the first game that he

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Speaker 3: ever managed in the major leagues when he was the

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Speaker 3: of course, was a number one pick of the Dodgers,

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Speaker 3: He also played for the Mets. He also managed the Mets.

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Speaker 3: He also managed the Mets in the Subway Series in

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Speaker 3: two thousand and Bobby Valentine knows more about Japanese baseball

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Speaker 3: than anyone I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: Because he used to manage there.

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Speaker 3: So everything that's going on right now, Bobby Valentine has

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Speaker 3: his fingerprints all over.

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Speaker 4: That's one reason that he's our guest this week.

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Speaker 2: Perfect with the Yankees on the AL side facing the

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, I mean, there's so much Bobby Valentine in

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Speaker 2: this episode. We're excited to dive in and we're excited.

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Speaker 1: To be here with you. Make sure to hit follow.

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Speaker 1: Dad.

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Speaker 2: I know we only have, you know, really Division series

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Speaker 4: The first takeaway is this, Jeff. A.

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Speaker 3: Couple weeks ago, three weeks ago, we got our nosehairs

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Speaker 3: waxed in Montana. So I just assumed we were the

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Speaker 3: told my dear friend Eduardo Perez that you and I

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Speaker 3: got our nosehair wax and he goes, oh, I do

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Speaker 3: that every two weeks, every two weeks. And then he

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Speaker 3: showed me a picture of him getting his nose hair waxed.

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Speaker 3: He looked like a walrus. It was the dumbest thing

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Speaker 3: get our noses.

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Speaker 4: Wax and our ears waxed. That's the big news of

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Speaker 2: That is incredible. I remember when I forced your hand

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Speaker 2: to do this with me. I explained that this is

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Speaker 2: more normal than you think, especially for us guys who

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Speaker 2: It's only gonna help you breathe better and look better.

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Speaker 2: We can't have airs flying out of our nose.

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Speaker 4: Especially you're on TV, Dad, I know.

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Speaker 3: I was just surprised to hear how many people have

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Speaker 4: So there we go, all right, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: The real takeaways for this week, and there were many

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Speaker 4: The change up is in today's game.

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Speaker 3: Seth Lugo of the Royals told me the change up

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Speaker 4: That makes the change up more important.

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Speaker 3: So that was one thing that I've always known how

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Speaker 2: And it's the most embarrassing pitchers too. Nothing's nothing crazier

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, but Jeff, change ups today some guys throw

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Speaker 3: So but it's just so amazing today how important it

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Speaker 3: The other thing I learned from Kansas City, Jef is

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: In the series we did two games in Kansas City,

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Speaker 3: The other thing that I saw, Jeff, that I've never

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Speaker 3: As he told me, this is a great drill. It

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Speaker 4: Trick that you use to try to make you a

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of that, because to think to train

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Speaker 1: But good, my dad's favorite.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Todd Frazier, who's been around and played on a

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Speaker 3: During the playoffs, the Podres became the first team ever

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Speaker 3: Jeff is the new closer of the Yankees. Luke Weaver,

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Speaker 3: The point about him, though, Jeff is he's thirty one

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Speaker 3: But everything has come together. And Aaron Boone told us

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Speaker 4: He had messed with his mechanics, and he kind.

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Speaker 3: Of looked and was doing things that Yoshi Yamamoto of

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just so funny when you think about

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Speaker 3: And this is the other great thing about Luke Weaver

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Speaker 3: he did, he said, you know, sometimes you guys ask

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Speaker 4: That we give you the same answers.

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Speaker 3: If you ask tkus some different questions, we might have

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Speaker 1: Game Changer of the Week, Dad, who do you get?

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Speaker 4: Well, what I've got, Jeff, is a change of venue. Okay.

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Speaker 3: For instance, the Royals lost seven games in a row

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Speaker 4: What do you remember what I'm talking about? Uh no?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So the sentence or part of a sentence has

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Speaker 1: So I guess you wrote it, not said it, but

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Speaker 4: Well, words are my business, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be known as the F bomb guy,

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Speaker 4: I I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is important. Do you want this to be

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Speaker 2: We we Now you can do what Tim Kirkshin, you

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Speaker 1: No, you don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think instead of that, we should have Tim Kirkchin

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Speaker 4: What do you think.

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Speaker 2: It only took him sixty seven years to figure it out?

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Speaker 4: But he did all right, all right, last thing, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: Jim Palmer was born on this date in nineteen forty five.

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Speaker 3: He looks twenty years younger than me. And he was

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Speaker 3: one of our best guests, Jeff. So, and we had

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Speaker 4: So Johnny Bench is our catcher, right.

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Speaker 2: Every single one of these people have been a guest

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Speaker 1: We start with him. It's perfect.

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Speaker 4: And what's your takeaway? What do you remember from Johnny

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Speaker 2: I have learned so much about interviewing people from you.

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Speaker 2: But when you ask Johnny Bench, hey, can you.

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Speaker 2: And he looked at you and said why, like, why

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Of course he was poking fun and he was there

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Speaker 3: And my takeaway there Jeff is when he described playing

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Speaker 4: It's a pickup game.

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Speaker 3: You gotta shoot free throws when you're really tired. So

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Speaker 1: That was definitely my highlight. Can I guess who you have?

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Speaker 2: My favorite Mookie Betts story that he said was one

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Speaker 3: And he also said Mookie can play slot back in

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Speaker 4: Guard for the Lakers. That's how great a player that

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Speaker 3: Jeff, how about the what he did the basketball referee?

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Speaker 2: It right, a blood blister, and he took a drill

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Speaker 2: It came from his dad? Like why am I such

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 4: Good point? All right?

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Speaker 4: What was the best story, he told there's two.

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Speaker 3: Day to day by Anklespray and he had a anchels

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Speaker 4: He faked it with the help of his manager.

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Speaker 5: Jeff.

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Speaker 4: There can't be another story.

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Speaker 5: That's me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, you gotta remember the time he finally actually

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Speaker 2: beat John Smoltz in golf. Remember, but he was playing

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Speaker 2: thirty six holes that day. He was so excited he

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Speaker 2: beat him in the first eighteen, he ran into the ocean.

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Speaker 2: I think it was Pebble Beach, right, ran into the

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Speaker 2: ocean to celebrate and real I got another eighteen to play.

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Speaker 1: So we had to buy clothes to the clubhouse.

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Speaker 2: He said he spent over one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was so good.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Second outfielder is Tito Francona, And of course there are

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Speaker 3: so many Tito Frankcona stories. I'm not sure we can

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Speaker 3: narrow it down at all. But that day Jeff that

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Speaker 3: he and I went to Camp Wilderness on our first

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Speaker 3: trip at when he was with ESPN. They put us

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Speaker 3: in a log cabin, two different log cabins, in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the woods, instead of putting a two time

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Speaker 3: World Series champion in some four star hotel.

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Speaker 4: We were in a cabin in the woods and it

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Speaker 4: was like we were in the cub scouts. We had

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Speaker 4: bunk beds in our room.

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Speaker 3: And he calls me after like ten minutes and says, hey,

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Speaker 3: you want to come over.

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Speaker 4: We can go out in the backyard and make some smores.

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Speaker 4: That was my favorite.

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Speaker 2: Tito Francona story new manager of the Cincinnati Reds, so

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Speaker 2: that's really exciting for him. Baseball is better when Terry

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Speaker 2: Francona is a part.

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Speaker 4: Of it, as you said. And Doug Landville was our

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Speaker 4: other outfielder.

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Speaker 3: Doug of course told us all about the Negro leagues.

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Speaker 4: He told us all.

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Speaker 3: About the game in Birmingham. He told us about the

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Speaker 3: game he played as an older guy, and he hit

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Speaker 3: a ball that's, oh, this is going to be a hit.

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Speaker 3: And Dexter Fowler, who had just retired, ran the ball

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Speaker 3: down and he's wondering, why can't we have some really

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Speaker 3: old guy in centerfield?

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Speaker 1: Why is he allowed to play?

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Speaker 4: I should have had a hit there.

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Speaker 3: It was great love Doug Lambville and of course our

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Speaker 3: starting pictures. Jeff is, Jim Palmer, who we've been over,

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Speaker 3: and John Smoltz, who we've been over. We had Pete

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Speaker 3: Fairbanks as our relief pitcher. Do you remember anything about

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Speaker 3: that other than when he reads. If he's such a

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Speaker 3: voracious reader, he might read a book in an entire day.

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Speaker 4: What about the story he told about his mother reading

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Speaker 4: to him.

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Speaker 1: They were reading Harry Potter together.

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Speaker 2: They got through the first book, they started the second

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Speaker 2: book and after a couple pages he kind of said, Mom,

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Speaker 2: you're reading too slowly.

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Speaker 1: I need to take this over right.

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Speaker 4: And how old was he? He was six?

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Speaker 1: Like six?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Our manager was Aaron Boone who made us laugh like

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Speaker 3: we haven't laughed maybe.

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Speaker 4: On any of these podcasts.

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Speaker 3: And I will never forget when he did Moses Malone

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Speaker 3: from the free throw line for us. And again, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: you have to be my age to appreciate the level

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Speaker 3: of detail when he did Moses Malone at.

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Speaker 4: The free throw line, it's perfect right.

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Speaker 3: And last thing, Jeff, what does Aaron Boone in his

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Speaker 3: best Marv Albert voice, what does he say to Brad ostmas.

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Speaker 2: So Brad Austmus His last name backwards is some swaw

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Speaker 2: and he's a coach.

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Speaker 1: On his sabac right, every time he sees him, he goes.

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Speaker 4: Some swall for three.

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Speaker 3: And Brad Ausma just rolls his eyes that the Yankee

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Speaker 3: manager would do that. And last guy, Jeff is Chris Young,

517
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Speaker 3: who is the general manager on our team because he's

518
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Speaker 3: he's a former pitcher, of course. And my favorite story

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Speaker 3: that he told was when he hit a triple in

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Speaker 3: a major league game, the tallest man six foot ten

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Speaker 3: ever to hit a triple in a major league game.

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Speaker 3: He figured, they're gonna stop me at second, right, No way,

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Speaker 3: They're gonna send me to third. This must be a

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Speaker 3: stand up triple. And then they see Glenn Hoffman like

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Speaker 3: get down. He goes, Oh my gosh, they're gonna make

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Speaker 3: me slide. I'm slid in years and he said, I

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Speaker 3: made the worst slide in the history of baseball. I

528
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Speaker 3: almost killed Miguel Gebrera the third basement. That's that was

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Speaker 3: my favorite story. Instead of asking him, who when's Jacob

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Speaker 3: deGrom gonna be back, we asked him, tell us about

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Speaker 3: the triple you hit in the major leagues.

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Speaker 2: I have two more positions on the Best of All

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Speaker 2: Tim team.

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Speaker 1: The chief communications.

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Speaker 2: Officer is Lindsey Bearra, who is granddaughter of Yogi Bearra,

536
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Speaker 2: And I mean, she was so fantastic putting in perspective

537
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Speaker 2: for us, and that was Veterans Day Weekend her grandfather's

538
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: service to this country. And told so many great stories,

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Speaker 2: including the story about how Bob Feller did not want

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Speaker 2: to talk to Yogi Berra.

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Speaker 1: Because Bob Feller was such a staunch.

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Speaker 2: Veteran and only cared for people who wanted to serve

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Speaker 2: their country during this time. But Yogi Berra was very

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Speaker 2: quiet about his service.

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Speaker 1: So Bob Feller didn't know that Yogi Berra had.

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Speaker 2: Served the country until they found out, and then he

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Speaker 2: became friends with him. Lindsay Barra told us that story,

548
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Speaker 2: and Dad, it's a toss up between Karl Ravich and

549
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Speaker 2: Jason Bennetti as the best of all Tim's play by

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Speaker 2: play broadcasters, because they were both fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we've had some stunningly good guests on and if

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Speaker 3: we left anybody out, we're sorry because so many of

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Speaker 3: them made us laugh, so a couple of them made

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Speaker 3: us cry.

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Speaker 4: It was all so so good. So that's our team

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Speaker 4: Tim for the week.

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Speaker 3: And it's all based on Jim Palmer's seventy ninth birthday,

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Speaker 3: and we looked at all of our guests great fun

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Speaker 3: this year, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: So before we get to Bobby Valentine, who is our

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Speaker 2: guest today, we're going to talk to him about a

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Speaker 2: potential Subway series. We're going to talk to him as

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Speaker 2: well about some crazy history that just happened this past weekend.

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Speaker 2: It was the first time in Major League Baseball playoff

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Speaker 2: history that two Japanese born pitchers faced off against each other.

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Speaker 3: I have that right, right, Dad, Yes, Yoshi Yamamoto and

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Speaker 3: you Darvish pitched against each other. Both of them pitched

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Speaker 3: exceptionally well, and that's why we went to Stratomatic. Tell

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Speaker 3: us what Stratamatic did for us?

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Speaker 2: Well, Dad, you put together your All Japanese team. These

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Speaker 2: are Japanese born players to play Major League Baseball and

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Speaker 2: fitting because the New York Mets have advanced to the

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Speaker 2: National League Championship Series and Bobby Valentine clearly a great

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Speaker 2: connection to the Mets.

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Speaker 1: He played for them and he was a manager for

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Speaker 1: them for a long time.

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Speaker 2: We decided to put this year's twenty twenty four Mets

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Speaker 2: up against the.

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Speaker 1: All japan Team.

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Speaker 2: See how a seven game series would shake out. Now, Dad,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put your All Japan Team up on

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Speaker 2: our Twitter and Instagram at great game or what if

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Speaker 2: you want to see who was chosen for all of

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Speaker 2: those spots, because we don't really have time to dive

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Speaker 2: into each position there because we already did a best

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Speaker 2: of all tim in.

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Speaker 1: Just five games.

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Speaker 2: The All Japan team, led by you Darvish, permitted just

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Speaker 2: two runs in those two starts in thirteen innings.

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Speaker 1: Japan takes down the Mets in just five games.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm not surprised by that because in putting together

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Speaker 3: the All Japanese team, I mean, we've got a show. Hey, Otani,

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Speaker 3: We've got each row. The starting pitching is just incredible

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Speaker 3: with Darvish and Nomo, and we only used Otani as

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Speaker 3: a DH, not as a DH slash pitcher. But it

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Speaker 3: just shows you how many great players have come from Japan.

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Speaker 3: Bobby Valentine himself told me, and we'll ask him about this,

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Speaker 3: he told me maybe twenty years ago, every positioned player,

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Speaker 3: starting position player in Japan could make a major league team.

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: Stars, all of them, but he said, every everyday positioned

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Speaker 3: player in Japan could make a major league team. That's

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Speaker 3: how talented Japanese baseball is.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to our friends.

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Speaker 2: got a couple more weeks left of those great simulations,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Bobby Valentine, Dad, he's our guest. We've got

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Speaker 2: him coming up next.

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Speaker 3: Well, Bobby taught me as much about baseball as anyone

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Speaker 3: I've ever been around.

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Speaker 4: Earl Weaver, Buck Showalter, Bobby Valentine. Those are the three.

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Speaker 3: Guys that taught me because I was a very young

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Speaker 3: writer when he became the manager of the Rangers in

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Speaker 3: the mid eighties, and the.

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Speaker 4: Stuff I learned from him was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: His understanding of the game, the way he could explain things,

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Speaker 3: the way he worked with people. He's one of the

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Speaker 3: best managers I've ever been around, and he's been to

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Speaker 3: a lot of places.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Valentine joins the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next, Welcome back to is This a Great

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Speaker 2: Game or What?

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Speaker 3: And our guest this week is our dear friend Bobby Valentine,

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Speaker 3: who played for the Dodgers, he played for the Mets,

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Speaker 3: he managed the Mets in the.

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Speaker 4: Last Subway Series.

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Speaker 3: He knows more about Japanese baseball than anybody. He's the

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Speaker 3: perfect guest for this week. Bobby, this is my Jeff.

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Speaker 3: We do a podcast together.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Jeff, Hike, Tim Hey with that introduction, I'm just

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Speaker 6: gonna go. I don't need to be on the show. Okay,

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Speaker 6: that's cool. Let people google me who he did. What?

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Speaker 6: Holy geez, I want to hear about that guy, but

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Speaker 6: I don't want to talk because then they'll know I

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Speaker 6: really know nothing, You know what I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, j Jeff, Bobby taught me more about baseball than

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Speaker 3: almost anyone I've ever been around here.

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Speaker 6: And Jeff, just so you know, I gotta tell you this,

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Speaker 6: your dad spectacularly. We worked together, we played together, we

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Speaker 6: did the whole thing. And one time he said, and

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Speaker 6: you know in this, Bobby Valentine taught me more about

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Speaker 6: baseball than anybody else I've ever been around. And then

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Speaker 6: he had to do a show with Buck Showalter and

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Speaker 6: bucket Ty.

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Speaker 5: How could you say that, Tim? Did you work more

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Speaker 5: from him than anybody else?

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Speaker 6: So now Tim says almost anybody else.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fust I've said it before, Buck, Bobby and Earl

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Speaker 3: Weaver talk to me more about baseball than anyone.

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Speaker 4: I can't leave Earl out of the equation.

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Speaker 1: Bobby.

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Speaker 2: It's so fitting because your first year as a major

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Speaker 2: league manager was with the Rangers nineteen eighty five, and

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Speaker 2: my amazing but dinky sports writer Dad was covering the

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Speaker 2: team as the Beat Rider.

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Speaker 1: Now here we are almost forty years later.

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Speaker 2: On this podcast, and both of you have had quite

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Speaker 2: amazing career since then.

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Speaker 1: Can you take me back? Do you remember working with him, Jeff?

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Speaker 5: Are you're kidding?

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Speaker 6: Nineteen eighty five? I can't remember two thousand and twenty

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Speaker 6: nineteen eighty five, Jeff, Of course I remember when he

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Speaker 6: came in. Hey, Jeff, we were trying to educate an

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Speaker 6: entire community of what baseball was. They thought the Texas

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Speaker 6: Rangers the team I was managing. You know, we had

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Speaker 6: horses and hats, and we kept lawyer in order. Texas

669
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 6: Rangers baseball once that we were in football country.

670
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 5: And you kidding? And your dad did.

671
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 6: A spectacular job, along with another group of bandits there

672
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 6: who who all became nationally renowned, educated entire community about baseball,

673
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 6: which is now a real good baseball community. But believe me,

674
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty five, with a minor league state and

675
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 6: an owner who is.

676
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 5: Like half here and half not here.

677
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 6: Okay, who went on the microphone one day during the

678
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 6: game in the seventh edit and it.

679
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 5: Said, I'm bad as hell. I'm not thinking anymore. And

680
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: then they hired me think about that stuff.

681
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: Ept Bobby's right.

682
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: They tried to reinvent and educate everyone, including hiring Tom

683
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: House as the pitching coach. Thomas one of my favorite

684
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: people then and now. And Tom was the one that

685
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: brought in throwing footballs for the pitchers in order to

686
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: strengthen their arm. I just got back from Kansas City, Bobby,

687
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: pitchers for the Royals are throwing footballs in the outfield

688
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: forty years later after Tom House. So I remember Bobby

689
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: asking Charlie huff one of our favorites, of course, does

690
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: throwing the footballs help the pitchers? And he looked at

691
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: me and he said, I don't know, but we lead

692
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: the league in third down conversions, which was.

693
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 4: Classic Charlie.

694
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 6: It was Charlie HUFFU who Jeff or whatever it's worth

695
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 6: played for me. Then I played with him, you know,

696
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 6: right before he threw the third home run to Reggie

697
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 6: Jackson in the seventy seven World Series, and then later

698
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 6: he became a coach of mine in New York. So

699
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 6: Charlie EFF's one of those names that true. And Deer,

700
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 6: who I was just with last week, who said to me, Bobby,

701
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 6: why hasn't any organization hired Tom House to be their

702
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 6: pitching coordinator, to.

703
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: Be their pitching guru.

704
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 6: He knows more about pitching than any two people who

705
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 6: ever lived. And that's a fact I understand, Jeff. At

706
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 6: this time, I had a choice between having an advanced scout.

707
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 6: We all know what evan scouts are, right, the guy

708
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 6: who goes on the road and sends you back written

709
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 6: reports on what the other team was doing. The choice

710
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 6: they either have an advanced scout or putting a satellite

711
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 6: dish on the roof of the club houses so.

712
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 5: I could launch games. At the time, nineteen eighty five.

713
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 6: Okay, nineteen eighty five, I had just worked for ESPN

714
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 6: in the early eighties, all right. I did like their

715
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 6: first baseball game, I think ever, the main Black Bears

716
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 6: against the Yukon Huskies doubleheader during the fall season. When

717
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 6: the ESPN had a flatbed truck and a big satellite edition.

718
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 6: He used to point the day up at these satellites

719
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 6: and it would steal free time on different satellites. And

720
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 6: if you had a satellite edition in your place, these

721
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 6: fifteen foot big monstrosities and had a little joystick that

722
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 6: could turn the satellite, you could pick up the game.

723
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 5: So I had to to the older I.

724
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 6: Wanted to watch the American League games because I was

725
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 6: a National League guy, and he said, well, Son, I'll

726
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 6: tell you that's in our budget. Well you're gonna have

727
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 6: one of these satellite dishes, or you gonna have an advanced scout.

728
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 5: I fired my advanced scout.

729
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 4: Which made me the most hated.

730
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 6: Guy in the entire scouting community of baseball community. Okay,

731
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 6: because this guy was one of the great guys of

732
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 6: all time. And if that's not enough, I got the scout.

733
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 6: I got to do the video Tim tells you. With

734
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 6: Tom House, we got a computer, we started doing all

735
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 6: the nonsense. We brought in Gideon Ariel, who was the

736
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 6: throws coach for the Israeli Olympic team. Because Tom says,

737
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 6: this guy knows more about advancing things forward than any

738
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 6: ten people in the United States. We brought in Gideon

739
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 6: into our spring training, into our Major League complex, and

740
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 6: we started digitizing players. But the rest of the story

741
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 6: about firing Dick Gurnett, the advanced scout, who's a great guy,

742
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 6: don't get me wrong, a great guy. I became the

743
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 6: met manager in nineteen ninety five, and guess who quit

744
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 6: as the advanced scout.

745
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Before we get to what's going on right

746
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: now in baseball, I want you to tell the story, please,

747
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: because if you don't tell it, I'm going to tell

748
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 3: the story about you getting to the big leagues for

749
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: the first time nineteen years old for the Dodgers, and

750
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: your manager.

751
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 4: Of course, was Walter Alston, who's a Hall of Fame manager,

752
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 4: one of the great managers of all time.

753
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 3: Tell me about his relationship with you and his identification

754
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 3: of you.

755
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 6: Well, you know, well, hall of Fame manager. And I'm

756
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 6: not going to say any bad about Hall of Fame

757
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 6: except for he was missing a step by time I

758
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 6: got there in seventy two. And the only reason he

759
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 6: stayed on as manager so that Tommy Listorta wouldn't become manager,

760
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 6: because he despises Tommy more than he devised me. But anyway,

761
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 6: at the end, welcome home dinner. This is a big

762
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 6: dale we're in. We're playing the Freeway Series out against

763
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 6: the Angels, and the Angels and the Dodgers would have

764
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 6: this breakfast together to welcome both teams back from spring

765
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 6: training before the season would start, and the managers from

766
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 6: the respected teams would get up and introduce the players,

767
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 6: and two years, not one year, two years consecutively, seventy

768
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 6: one and seventy two. As I made the team, Walt

769
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 6: introduced me as Billy Vallen and one Danny Osdark, who

770
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 6: was a spectacular guy who's the third base coach of

771
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 6: the team, said, don't worry. I told him it's Bobby

772
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 6: And I said, yeah, Well, what the heck did he say?

773
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 5: What did he say?

774
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 6: He says, well, we got a lot of billies, what's

775
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 6: one more? And what's the big deal with one more?

776
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's that's how I was introduced twice as

777
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 6: and he always called me Billy Jill.

778
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 3: He traded me, including in the elevator that day, right, tell.

779
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 6: That Philadelphia, my mom and dad drives down to the game.

780
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 6: Is a big deal for my dad to leave Stamford

781
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 6: get out of it. And he drives down with my

782
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 6: uncle Mike sitting check at the wheel, making sure that

783
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 6: he can get to Philadelphia. He gets in, we check

784
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 6: in at the same time. We get on the elevator

785
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 6: at the same time, and he gets on and I said, oh, skip,

786
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 6: what was with my mom and dad? They said, this

787
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 6: is my mom and dad and he kind of nodded.

788
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 6: He was smoking his cigarette in the elevator.

789
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 5: He was okay at that time, but.

790
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 6: He spoked a cigarette all the time. Okay, and he

791
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 6: blew out the puffa's moment. He is, okay, Billy, I'm

792
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 6: gonna tell you. My dad was five seven, what was

793
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 6: like six three. My dad wanted to chase them down

794
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 6: the hallway. He wanted to chase them down. I'm telling

795
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 6: you because I said, he probably doesn't know my name Dad.

796
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 5: You know, it's one of those things, you know.

797
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: It's all right, Bobby, back to those days when you

798
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: were the best running back in the history of Connecticut

799
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: and you were going to replace OJ Simpson as a

800
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: running back at USC, which is amazing.

801
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 5: That's what John mc kay said.

802
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 6: He was the coach, and he told me that if

803
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 6: I came to see I would get number thirty two

804
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 6: because I wore thirty two in high school, and I

805
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 6: would replace Oj because that's.

806
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 5: The line that was on.

807
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 6: Now now that they know about I've been an athletic

808
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 6: director for eight years and I've been around the block

809
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 6: a couple of times. He probably told twenty two running

810
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 6: backs that same thing, who were all recruited the same

811
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 6: year as I was, But anyway ahead.

812
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

813
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: John McKay, by the way, was an NFL coach and

814
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: his team was terrible. And what are the writers asked

815
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: him after a terrible loss, you what do you think

816
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: about your team's execution? And he said, I'm in favor

817
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: of it. I've never met John McKay in my life.

818
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 4: And that is he's like me.

819
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 3: He's my biggest fan. That is really really great. All right, So, Bobby,

820
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: you were also a.

821
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: Ballroom dancer of tremendous fame. Can you how good were you?

822
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: And can you still do that today?

823
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: Because Jeffrey is a great dancer, I, of course am

824
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: the worst dancer ever. I'm more wooden than Pinocchio. Nobody

825
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: is worse than me.

826
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 4: Where did ballroom dancing come from for you? And are

827
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 4: you still good at it?

828
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 6: I just had a knee replacement tim two and a

829
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 6: half weeks ago. I just got off a plane flu

830
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 6: across the country. I could probably do the fox trot

831
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 6: and the walls right now. I couldn't do the jitterbug

832
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 6: or the tango. Too many dips, you know what I mean?

833
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 6: But you know, I was an athlete growing up. My

834
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 6: mom and dad were first generation Italians. My mom said, hey,

835
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 6: you're not only going to be a sport the guy.

836
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 6: You needed some culture too. You need some culture. I said, yeah,

837
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 6: what culture? Said you either take a single lesson, So

838
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 6: are you going to take a dance lessons because that's

839
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 6: a culture for you. And I said, well, I can't sing. Mom,

840
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 6: and I wound up down at the Italian Center on

841
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 6: the line of one side of the room with the

842
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 6: girls on the other side, and they'd play music and

843
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 6: you go over and find a partner and you dance.

844
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 6: And four years later I had a steady partner. We

845
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 6: practiced five times a week. We entered competitions in places

846
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 6: like the Waldorf Astoria, the Edison Hotel. Finally won a

847
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 6: regional competition that won me a trip to Florida and

848
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 6: danced at the Fountain Blue Hotel and the International Ballroom

849
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 6: Championships in nineteen sixty four five sixty five and won

850
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 6: the International Ballroom Dance Competition. And that was in the

851
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 6: high school level. I was fifteen, she was three years

852
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 6: older than me. She was a senior at the time,

853
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 6: and we were spectacular. You had to know the steps.

854
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 6: You did the regulation steps, and then you did a

855
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 6: free Lance, and you wore a tuxedo and the girl

856
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 6: wore the flowing gowns, and the judges walked around the

857
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 6: floor a little scorecard, and there were people from all

858
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 6: around the country and then in Florida, all around the world.

859
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 6: It was this cool competition as I've ever been in.

860
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 6: For about three years, I did this competitively where there

861
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 6: was pressure. You need teamwork, you needed rhythm, you needed timing,

862
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 6: you needed presents, and luckily she had all those things

863
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 6: and we won.

864
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: I think it's really funny that my dad asked the

865
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: question about dancing, because when you brought up the Fox Trot,

866
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: he had no idea what you were talking about. He

867
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: was trying to think of a Jimmy Fox or a

868
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: Trot Nixon story that he can feel comfortable.

869
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: He doesn't know the.

870
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: Difference between the Waltz and Tim Walls. Okay, so for

871
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: him this went right over starting. But no, Bobby, I

872
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: think it's so important. And we've talked to so many

873
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: guests about the importance of playing multiple sports or in

874
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: this case, right, you were a great, great football player,

875
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: obviously a great baseball player, you were a dancer. All

876
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: of that translates the timing of dancing Listen. I was

877
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 2: never a great baseball player, but that has to help

878
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: you out there, does it not.

879
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 6: Oh, it really helps you. It helps you with like

880
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 6: I said, there's teamwork, balance, his paramount and rhythm.

881
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 5: You know.

882
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 6: I became best friends with Willie Davis, the center fielder

883
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 6: of the Dodgers, and Richie Allen, who came in seventy

884
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 6: one when I was a rookie with the Dodgers. And

885
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 6: the reason I was really good friends with them is

886
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 6: because I would go out and dance in the same

887
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 6: clubs that they would dance at and they said, oh,

888
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 6: this dude's okay, we like this guy, because I'd be

889
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 6: on the floor with them while they were doing it.

890
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 6: And Willie Davis, who was number three, they called them

891
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 6: three dogs the center field. They're all start with the Dodgers.

892
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 6: One of the fastest runners I've ever seen. His whole

893
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 6: thing about hitting was you went into the box, and

894
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 6: you dance when you're in the box. So he had

895
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 6: this rhythm going. And you see a lot of players

896
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 6: who other than Otani, who gets into the box and

897
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 6: has no rhythm until it begins, and then his rhythm

898
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 6: is so quick and spectacular that you can hardly see it.

899
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 6: But I I think he stands like that because he

900
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 6: knows everyone brings a camera to take a photograph, and

901
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 6: he just is so story. Have you ever seen anyone

902
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 6: stand so still? It's unbelievable.

903
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable that Bobby helped me here.

904
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: Eduardo Perez, my broadcast partner, just said on the air

905
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: the other day that all hitters have their mouth open

906
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: at the plate except for Otani, whose mouth is always

907
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: closed during every at bat. This is how you catch

908
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: a fly ball, mouth open, This is how you hit

909
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: mouth open.

910
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: Show Hay's mouth is always closed.

911
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 3: Do you understand it all? What EDWARDO was saying here?

912
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: Does it make any sense? Because I don't understand it.

913
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 5: No.

914
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 6: I think he made it up to you. Because can

915
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 6: you imagine a boxer with his mouth open? Come on, well,

916
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 6: let's get ry on this one. How about a swimmer

917
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 6: with his mouth over? Kim wait, come on, let's go.

918
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 6: A lot of athletes you do things without your mouth over.

919
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 6: But one thing about a ton of you want to

920
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 6: watch in your viewers, shit under stand is that when

921
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 6: he stands at the box, his bat is straight up

922
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 6: and down. And if you stand with your bat up

923
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 6: straight up in town, straight up and down. It has

924
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 6: no weight to it. And that's kind of the concept.

925
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 6: If you hold the back down over your shoulder the

926
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 6: head of the bat, the gravity will take it and

927
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 6: you'll feel the weight and you'll be trying to hold

928
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 6: it up. But as soon as you hold it straight up,

929
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 6: so the knobs pointing straight down, the head's going straight up,

930
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 6: there's no weight involved at all. And that's why in

931
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 6: one hundred and two mile on our fastball, his bat

932
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 6: seems so light because I guess it feels so late.

933
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: Right, Bobby, How do we describe Shoheo Tani in historical terms?

934
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 6: We describe him as the guy who went to Carnegie

935
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 6: Hall with all the other concert pianists and he's conducting

936
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 6: the concert. He's the Mozart. He's a little different than

937
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 6: everyone else. He has a special gene about him that

938
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 6: differentiates him from from I believe anybody else who ever

939
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 6: ever played the game in not only in his preparation

940
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 6: and his intensity and his willingness to sacrifice, but also

941
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 6: in his spectacular physique and ability. He's he's just different,

942
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 6: and when you look at it, you have to appreciate

943
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 6: it as being different sometimes people look at it as different.

944
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 6: And in Japanese the word for different and the word

945
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 6: for wrong happens to be the same word. Okay, And

946
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 6: in this case it's not wrong, it's right and it's different.

947
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 5: Wow.

948
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 4: What is the word bobby imus?

949
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 5: And how the verb chugamus?

950
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 4: How good is your Japanese today? Ah?

951
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 5: Botho? Only you hogo on to come.

952
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 6: On this?

953
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 4: Nah?

954
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 6: I said, my Japanese is really good, isn't it? Dim?

955
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 5: And I said it perfectly?

956
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 3: What was it like when you first started to manage

957
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: in Japan? Did they look at you like who are you?

958
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: And what are you doing here? Or was it that

959
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: transition from Big League Baseball to Japan really smooth?

960
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 5: Oh?

961
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 6: It was anything but smooth. Uh, And understand, I had

962
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 6: a guiding light. I had the shortstop from the greatest

963
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 6: teams ever of Japan, the Tokyo Giants of the fifties

964
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 6: and sixties, one to nine straight championships. The guy who

965
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 6: hired me was a shortstop on the team. Of course,

966
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 6: sadah Oh was on that team. Nagashima was on that team,

967
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 6: and they were They were unbeatable, unstoppable, and their core

968
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 6: of players similar to our core from that from the

969
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 6: early days were the higher archy of Japanese baseball. They

970
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 6: knew all, they said all. I was ushered in by

971
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 6: the shortstop who was the general manager, who took a

972
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 6: year in the United States, traveling the United States to

973
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 6: try to pick the first guy to ever leave the

974
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 6: United States and be the first non Japanese there. But

975
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 6: I was challenged with everything, and a lot of the

976
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 6: baseball there was a little different than ours, And probably

977
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 6: the biggest thing I was challenged on was pitch count

978
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 6: and swing path where yeah, you mentioned Tom House, you

979
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 6: know my think tank. People in Texas had Tom Robson

980
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 6: as the hitting coach. Tom Robson continued what Ted Williams

981
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 6: believed to be the proper swing path, which is now

982
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 6: the accepted swing path of all players because you can't

983
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 6: swing down. You have to swing up because the head

984
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 6: of the bat and gravity and all that nonsense that applies.

985
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 6: But in Japan it was that every day confrontation no.

986
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 6: And you know what they would do is I would

987
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 6: say and they would say, ah, sodas and they would agree

988
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 6: that they heard what I was saying, but they never

989
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 6: agreed with what I was saying.

990
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 5: Huh. And it was.

991
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 6: It was absolutely spectacular with sadahata Oh demonstrating me with

992
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 6: me with a with a samurai sword, how to hit

993
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 6: through a bundle of stick three foot long, you tie together,

994
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 6: you hang them and they hang loose, and you take

995
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 6: a samurai sword and if you hit these perfectly on

996
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 6: the right angle on the on the down swing, you

997
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 6: could go through this forty pieces of wood like that,

998
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 6: and if you hit it at the wrong angle, the

999
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 6: sword would bounce back like it was off of a trampoline.

1000
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 6: And it was spectacular. That's the way he learned to swing,

1001
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 6: and it was a downstroke. And finally I realized that

1002
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 6: the sword had no weight up on the top of it.

1003
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 6: At the top was the lightest part of the object

1004
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 6: that he was swinging, and the bottom in the handle

1005
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 6: was the was the heaviest. Where the bat has the

1006
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 6: heaviest part on the top and the lightest part on

1007
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 6: the bottom, and that creates that different angle because gravity

1008
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 6: takes the head of the bat as soon as it

1009
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 6: goes down this way, it pulls it down and then

1010
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 6: you have to pull it up the swing. But it

1011
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 6: took me a whole year, and finally after the end

1012
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 6: of the year, we went out to a spectacular sushi dinner.

1013
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 6: The sake was pouring, the beers and boring. Everyone was

1014
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 6: loose and feeling good and sadahada and it hit Oka,

1015
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 6: my general manager, looked at me and said, Bobby, we

1016
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 6: want to tell you something. I said, please, please, please.

1017
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 6: They said you're right about the swing. And there was silence,

1018
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 6: and they said, but please don't tell the players anymore.

1019
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 6: You'll only confuse them.

1020
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 5: And I thought that was spectacular.

1021
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 6: The only rules are the rules of physics that apply,

1022
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 6: and if you adapt the rules of physics to that swing,

1023
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 6: you'll understand what the swing is. And there should be

1024
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 6: everyone should be swinging the same way, as far as

1025
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 6: I'm concerned.

1026
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 4: That is so great.

1027
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: Jeff asked Bobby, getting away from baseball for one second,

1028
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: about his famous invention.

1029
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 4: Let's see if he agrees with us.

1030
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're a dancer, you're an athlete, you're

1031
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: a manager, but you're also a bit of a restaurant tier.

1032
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 2: And I heard that you may have invented what we

1033
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: know today as the rap.

1034
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: Is this true?

1035
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 6: I'd like to think of it as a creation, Jeff,

1036
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 6: You know this stuff invention, It's I was in the kitchen.

1037
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 6: It was a creation. Yes, as a matter of fact.

1038
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 6: You know, when when I became the manager of the

1039
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 6: Red Sox, I think I was the manager of the

1040
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 6: Red Size.

1041
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 5: Anyway, I was doing something up there in New England,

1042
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 5: North New England.

1043
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 6: And the Wall Street Journal came and asked me the

1044
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 6: same question, and I said, well, you know, I don't

1045
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 6: know if I created it or not, but I know

1046
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: that no one else was doing it when I did it.

1047
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 6: And so they did a like a two month research

1048
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 6: project to try to prove me wrong, to try to

1049
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 6: prove that there was a wrap sandwich on a menu

1050
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 6: before it was on my menu in nineteen eighty one,

1051
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 6: and they couldn't find one of those menus because they said, okay, hey,

1052
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 6: it is.

1053
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 5: It's true.

1054
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 6: He created the wrap. And the whole thing is I

1055
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 6: started a restaurant business. I did it for thirty eight years.

1056
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 6: By the way, for whatever it's where they had seven

1057
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 6: of them open for twenty five years consecutively, and at

1058
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 6: one time it was the only celebrity athlete to have

1059
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 6: more than three restaurants opened at the same time for

1060
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 6: more than twenty years. I said, I'll never cook. I'm

1061
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 6: gonna own a restaurant. I'm never gonna cook. That's for

1062
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 6: other people. They're gonna cook. And sure, one Friday lunch,

1063
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 6: my guy doesn't show up in the kitchen and we

1064
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 6: have a line out the door, and I said, oh,

1065
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 6: I better go up flip the hamburgers. While I was

1066
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 6: in there, the guy who gave me the loan to

1067
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 6: my to open the restaurant, the banker from Crush Street,

1068
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 6: came in and he always ate club sandwiches. We didn't

1069
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 6: have club sandwiches on the menu, but for him we

1070
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 6: make a club sanwich. He was a guy I gave

1071
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 6: you the thirty thousand dollars over the place. You got it,

1072
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 6: mister Burke. Okay, Well, my number one waitress, Debbie comes

1073
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 6: in and says, oh god, mister Burke's out there. I said,

1074
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 6: what's the problem. She says, oh, the toasters broke. I

1075
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 6: can't make the club sandwich. And I said, holy cow.

1076
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 6: And next to me, the guy was putting the tortillas

1077
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 6: into the deep prior to make tortilla chips, you know,

1078
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 6: cutting up the ten inch tortillashell, And I said, don't worry,

1079
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 6: we'll send them out of a club sandwich in a second.

1080
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 6: So I took a ten inch tortillashell, I put all

1081
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 6: the ingredients to a club sandwich in it. I rolled

1082
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 6: it up, I put a couple of American cheese slices

1083
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 6: on the top. I put it on the salamander to

1084
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 6: melt and keep the the tortilla from opening up. I

1085
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 6: cut it in half. I gave it to Debbie with

1086
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 6: some French dries out it and said give it to

1087
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 6: mister Burke and tell him it's a club sandwich Mexican style.

1088
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 6: And two weeks later we had it on the menu

1089
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 6: as a club mets.

1090
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 4: At all because the toaster was broken.

1091
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 5: The mother of creation was necessity. Huh, that is.

1092
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 4: So great, Jeff.

1093
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 3: Bobby once told me how to make chicken parm because,

1094
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: as you know, I cook every meal at our house.

1095
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 4: I'm terrible. We pray after we eat at my house,

1096
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 4: believe me.

1097
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: But Bobby explained the better way to do chicken parm,

1098
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: like just when you're done, put some extra sauce on

1099
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: the top and all this. And it was way better

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Speaker 3: because he so not only did he teach me about baseball, he.

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Speaker 6: Taught me about chicken parm also ten those are spectacular days,

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00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 6: and these are spectacular days. You know that, think of

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00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 6: the Mets and the Dodgers. Think it might be again,

1104
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 6: the Mets and the Yankees. This is truly baseball. This

1105
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 6: is what the country needs. I don't know, you know,

1106
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 6: Mets Yankees. I mean that was spectacular in two thousands,

1107
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 6: but I think some of the country didn't really get

1108
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 6: into it because there was a New York.

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00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 5: Kind of thing, you know what I mean. But the

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00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 5: Mets Dodgers should be spectacular.

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00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: Right, And Bobby tell us about that Subway series. I

1112
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: covered every second of it. But what was that like

1113
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 3: for you? A New York guy and you've got the

1114
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 3: Yankees against the Mets in the World Series.

1115
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 4: What was that like for you?

1116
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 6: It was exhausting, Tim, to say the least.

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00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 5: I think.

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00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 6: You know, one of the jobs during this time of

1119
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 6: the year that the manager has and that the players

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00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 6: have too, is to eliminate distractions.

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00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 5: Right, Everyone tells.

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00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 6: You you got to be in the moment, You got

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00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 6: to be in that zone you got in order to

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00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 6: play the Mets playing the Yankees in a Subway series.

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Speaker 6: You couldn't eliminate the distractions. What you had to do

1126
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 6: is is try to have less distractions than the other guys. Now,

1127
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 6: the other guys happened to be there before. The New

1128
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 6: York Yankees with Hall of famers all around on their team,

1129
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 6: and they came from kind of back to front because

1130
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 6: they got hot during the playoffs. They weren't that good

1131
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 6: during the season, and we were, you know, we were

1132
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 6: just turning along. We were hot. We were making it happen.

1133
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 6: And then the biggest, biggest distraction ever happened when you know,

1134
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 6: David Justice decided that the ball that Todd Zale hit

1135
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 6: wasn't a home run. Everyone in the stadium game Game one,

1136
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 6: Todd's deal in depended on the Ropes were ready to

1137
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 6: win Game one of the World Series. He hits the

1138
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 6: ball off the wall. Timo Perez, who is the hottest

1139
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 6: hitter the Mets ever had in the playoffs. I think

1140
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 6: he set a record for the most hits of the

1141
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 6: series against Saint Louis Is on the base with another hit,

1142
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 6: and now he thinks it's a home run. Cookie Rojas

1143
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 6: de Side has to send them from third to round

1144
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 6: towards home. David Justice picks up the ball and flings

1145
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 6: it to guy who wasn't even in position because he

1146
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 6: thought it was a home run. His name was Derek Jeter,

1147
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 6: who runs over towards the left BIAI catches the ball

1148
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 6: on the run, throws the ball off and right made

1149
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 6: to strike the home plate off course, and Timo Bress

1150
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 6: got tagged out, and that became as big a distraction

1151
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 6: as anything that we ever had. We were going without it.

1152
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 6: We were accepting Timo who came out of nowhere, you know,

1153
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 6: who was signed out of the Dominican to play in

1154
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 6: Japan and then signed it kind of stolen away from

1155
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 6: the Japanese team, and then all of a sudden wound

1156
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 6: up on our big league team. I don't even know

1157
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 6: how the heck it happened, but it happened, and he

1158
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 6: was hitting, and he was doing a really good job,

1159
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 6: and most of the guys on the team didn't even

1160
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 6: know what his name was.

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00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 5: They were calling ten half of the time. His name

1162
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 5: was Timo.

1163
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 6: And now this little star out of nowhere gets thrown

1164
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 6: out of home plate and we wind up allowing Andy

1165
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 6: Patti to stay in the game instead of getting into

1166
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 6: their bullpen in the middle of their bullpen, which is

1167
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 6: a weak part of their team. And the rest is

1168
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 6: kind of history. The distractions continued, but it was spectacular. Tim,

1169
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 6: Everyone on every street corner and anybody who you ever

1170
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 6: met called and asked for tickets. Anybody you ever passed

1171
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 6: on the subway was asking you for an autograph.

1172
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 5: It was.

1173
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 6: It was the most amazing situation I was ever ever

1174
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 6: put in.

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00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: Right, Hey, Jeff, add tell tell Bobby about the Stratomatic

1176
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 3: simulation that we did.

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00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so we work with our friends at Stratamatic, who

1178
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: are the market leader in sports simulations, and you know,

1179
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: looking ahead of this week, we were like, okay, we

1180
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: have Bobby Valentine, what are we going to do to

1181
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: kind of we try to channel these things around our

1182
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: guests or around what's happening in baseball. So my dad

1183
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: put together the All Japanese Major League Baseball team. So

1184
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: he does the best of all Tim it'll list out.

1185
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: You know, He's done things as silly as the All

1186
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: Eclipse team, where names that have to do with moons

1187
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: and lunar and all that stuff.

1188
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 5: All the way worked with them.

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01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of time on his hands,

1190
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: right Bobby, I know, But for this week, he did

1191
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: the All Japanese team. The best players to ever play

1192
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: that are Japanese born. Major League baseball, and we were thinking, okay,

1193
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: who are they going to play? Well, we thought it

1194
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: was great with you former Mets player and manager.

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01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: We had them up against the twenty twenty.

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01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 2: Four Mets and not really fair because we've got an

1197
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: all star team. And my dad even said earlier, anybody

1198
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: who's playing, and you said, anybody playing starting in Japan

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01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 2: right now could make a major League baseball team. That's

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01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: how good the teams are and the players are out there.

1201
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: They won in five games over the twenty twenty four Mets.

1202
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 6: Players who play there can make a major league team here.

1203
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 6: That's a fact. Whether they'd want to is the thing

1204
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 6: that everyone says, Well, why don't they just all come

1205
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 6: over here?

1206
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 5: Then? You know, why would they want to? They have the.

1207
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 6: Best cars, they have great adelation, They play before thirty

1208
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 6: thousand people. There's eight national newspapers that cover them every

1209
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 6: day and a few sports magazines. They're they're on the

1210
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 6: top of the food chain. Why come and eat this food?

1211
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 5: You know? Why come and learn a new language? You know?

1212
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 6: And and there's a lot that should be said about that,

1213
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 6: about the players who can acclimate themselves to a different culture,

1214
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 6: whether it's going that way or this way, and and

1215
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 6: you know, right right now, I think there's there's like

1216
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 6: one American who started in Japanese baseball this year. They

1217
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 6: had Dominicans, a couple of Dominicans and and Puerto Ricans,

1218
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 6: and you're allowed for foreigners, but there's like one American

1219
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 6: board guy, so they don't really need the talent from

1220
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 6: here to make their league a good league.

1221
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: Right, Bobby, This has been an absolute blast being with you.

1222
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 3: You were our perfect guests for this week because you

1223
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 3: got your fingerprints all over this postseason in so many ways, Matt's, Yankees, Dodgers,

1224
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 3: Japanese baseball. So thank you so much for joining us.

1225
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 3: We could have kept you for three hours, but You've

1226
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 3: got work to do today, and I'm going to New

1227
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 3: York today to do the Guardians against the Yankees. But

1228
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 3: I wanted to thank you, and I especially wanted to

1229
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: thank you on behalf of my son Jeff, for being

1230
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 3: part of our podcast today.

1231
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 6: Well, Tim, good being with you and Jeff for whatever

1232
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 6: it's worth. You're a lucky guy. Your dad's a real

1233
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 6: special one that's admired by most people who have ever

1234
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 6: met him. Good luck to you guys, great being on

1235
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 6: this podcast enjoy.

1236
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Bobby Valentine for being our

1237
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: guest this week. What a great perspective when it comes

1238
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: to a subway series to Japanese players for the Mets

1239
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: and the Dodgers. It's just the perfect for this week.

1240
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: And thank you for listening and you know, being with

1241
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: us throughout this whole season.

1242
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 5: Right.

1243
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: So, Bobby told me something once about Japanese players because

1244
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: he managed there for so long, and again we repeat,

1245
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: Japanese players are so good, they are so disciplined, they

1246
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 3: are so hard working. But he told me there are

1247
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 3: two types of players in Japan, those who smoke and

1248
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: those who smoke a lot. He told me he had

1249
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 3: three players on one of his teams that if they

1250
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 3: weren't coming up, like in the first three or four

1251
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 3: batters of that inning, they would go smoke cigarette in

1252
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: between innings.

1253
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 4: Which just amazed me.

1254
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 3: How can you how could you do that and be

1255
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 3: a great major, a great player in Japan or a

1256
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: great player here. I'm guessing that Yamamoto, Darvish and show

1257
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 3: Hey do not smoke cigarettes, and I'm sure they don't

1258
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 3: smoke them in between innings.

1259
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: For the Hall of Famer Tim Kirchin Kertchham, thank you

1260
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: for listening and as always, thank you for being a

1261
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 2: part of our fact

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm