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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion, that's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, dig it? Indeed Friday July twenty second,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and you've stumbled right into the best

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Speaker 2: damn combat sports podcast period. All right, I mean that's

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Speaker 2: all I needed to do. Today, show's over. In fact, though,

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Speaker 2: we have a fantastic show for you today, set in

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Speaker 2: the stage for Bellator, for UFC, for the combat sports headlines,

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Speaker 2: and bringing forward two of the most unlike minded minds

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Speaker 2: in the combat realm today. I am your co host,

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Speaker 2: the Brian Campbell, the BBC with that bd E. But

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Speaker 2: while you stay for the sauce, you come for that

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Speaker 2: piece of meat that is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I hooge, you're having a wonderful day. My

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Speaker 1: daughter's having a karaoke moment right outside my door, despite

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Speaker 1: multiple entreaties to my family to not allow that kind

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Speaker 2: Right she is she talking about Bruno Luke? Or are

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Speaker 2: we not doing that anymore?

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Speaker 1: Let's see what is she talking about? No, she's singing

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Speaker 1: some songs in Spanish. I don't know what the hell

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did I did I catch a kill Whitey in there? Luke?

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Speaker 1: Song she's singing, but I don't know if she's singing

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Speaker 1: cop killer by IC or what is a body count?

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Speaker 1: But maybe well Luke.

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Speaker 2: This uh, you know alvant Garde will only add to

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Speaker 2: what is you know, a fantastic show on Friday today

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Speaker 2: being for the arts. So I'm fine with that, Luke.

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Speaker 2: We got a great show. But I mean before we

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Speaker 2: you what the people are asking me. Luke, Okay, like

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Speaker 2: eighteen and I have DMS, can't be wrong? Has tom

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Speaker 2: aspitall now entered? You'll want a champion territory in terms

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Speaker 2: of your dark heart, Luke.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no no, I don't like I'm

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Speaker 1: the yo. Wanna one was different because we actually had

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Speaker 1: the time on another show, and that was the problem,

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Speaker 1: Like we there was like this it's a long story.

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Speaker 1: I don't even care anymore. The but like what happened

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Speaker 1: with Tom, I don't know what happened on his end,

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Speaker 2: So well, you're ultimately Luke. Your pick today will probably

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Speaker 2: answer that question subconsciously, Luca, So we'll find out something

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Speaker 2: We don't. But I did want to tell people how

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Speaker 2: I mean I always wonder, Luke, you want to know

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Speaker 2: you're always there, all right. Indeed, Luke anything else you

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Speaker 2: Let's do it. Some would say, Luke, hater. You know,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that means there's no substance to what I bring

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Speaker 1: Have you heard that from the the acolytes who thought

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm gonna take Tukey to the mother

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Speaker 2: the right way top of our rundown. Of course, UFC

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Speaker 2: is this an important one for title positioning. A plus

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Speaker 1: I I have been a big believer in Curtis Blades.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know exactly what to make of this matchup.

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Speaker 1: But dude, listen to this. Strikes landed per minute seven

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Speaker 1: this is like one of the that for a five

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Speaker 1: that's one of the best statistical stat sheets, or one

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Speaker 1: so consequential. Curtis Blades is different, very different than all

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Speaker 1: Tom Aspinall, and I do kind of believe this unless

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Speaker 1: you know him very well, you're in the training room

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Speaker 1: you're gonna make a case for Tom Aspinall, it is

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Speaker 1: partly based in the evidence that we have, but it

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Speaker 1: charitable versions of what that becomes. It's a little bit BC.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you disagree to me. It feels like

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with it for sure?

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Speaker 2: For sure? And you have to rely on elements of

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Speaker 2: the eye test when you're you know, actual evidence is

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Speaker 2: this small, and it is this small. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: made quick freaking work of Alexander Volkov, who I thought

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Speaker 2: already been seeing, sort of those plus sides of him.

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Speaker 2: But to your point, I mean, the greatest Here's why

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Speaker 2: this matchup is so great and why I like the

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Speaker 2: odds again, minus one forty for Aspinall plus one twenty

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Speaker 2: four blades. You could flip that no one would have

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Speaker 2: a problem either way. It's that for what Aspinall hasn't

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Speaker 2: shown us. You know, you could be as confident. You

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Speaker 2: could tell us you spar sixty five consecutive rounds, and

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Speaker 2: you could say whatever you want. There's a difference between

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Speaker 2: So if that's your only on paper weakness, because we

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Speaker 2: just don't know, we have no freaking clue. And I

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Speaker 2: always remind people even Stepe got to learn that five

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Speaker 2: round lesson in the first fight against JDS. So for Aspinall,

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Speaker 2: it's like Blade suddenly becomes the boss at the end

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Speaker 2: of the video game for that one piece of potential kryptonite.

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Speaker 2: Now it may not even be a factor, and then

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Speaker 2: it's suddenly a different fight to try to weigh out

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Speaker 2: based on their plus and minuses. But I think at

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Speaker 2: least for everything we don't know about Aspinall and Boys,

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Speaker 2: he close to kicking in a door that it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter what we know. Then you get to that title level,

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Speaker 2: you're there, this is the right fight, right style, right

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Speaker 2: time to give us exactly what we need to know, Luke,

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Speaker 2: which takes us to Blades. It's funny. I think we

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Speaker 2: just had this argument about Artega the other day I

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Speaker 2: kind of end up in this Curtis Blades when he's

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Speaker 2: striking confidently and his intention to strike is on the

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Speaker 2: threat of his takedowns, he fights at a different level.

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Speaker 2: Some will argue Luke that he can only do that

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Speaker 2: against B right B minus level guys, and when he

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Speaker 2: don't know if that's appen Apples and Orange's debate right there.

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Speaker 2: But when Blades is operating like that, a dual threat man,

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Speaker 2: he's tough as hell. Yet would you almost advise him

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Speaker 2: in this fight to forget that anything to do with

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Speaker 2: being a dual threat and go out there and win it?

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Speaker 2: And I may have to look like Blades's win over

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Speaker 2: Volkoff Luke, which, if you recall, was dominant over three

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Speaker 2: rounds wrestling in Ragdalin and then suddenly kind of hanging

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Speaker 2: even gassed himself out to a degree. Are you telling

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Speaker 2: Curtis Blades, if you're a coach, you know, forget the

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Speaker 2: uppercuts for you know they're throwing the heater Ricky, I mean,

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Speaker 2: take this guy down. Solve it with a double leg

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Speaker 2: time and time again. Put this young kid on his back.

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Speaker 2: Let's all find out together where that gas tank really is. Luke,

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Speaker 2: it's gotta be right.

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Speaker 1: I think I would agree mostly, but not entirely. So

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Speaker 1: for example, if I said BC, who has the advantage

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Speaker 1: just on the feet, Like if it turned into a

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Speaker 1: kickboxing fight, who probably gets their hand raised? Would you

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Speaker 1: say Aspinall?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the speed is what gets is the difference maker

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Speaker 1: So I agree with that. I agree that Aspinall has

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Speaker 1: that's not a scalable plan for him. So what I

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Speaker 1: I do think he needs to be a dual threat.

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Speaker 1: I just think he needs to be a dual threat.

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Speaker 1: Sixty forty wrestling, maybe even seventy thirty wrestling where striking

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Speaker 1: with Aspinall, I don't think it's so dangerous that he

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Speaker 1: can't do it. Like while I give Aspinall the nod

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Speaker 1: I think Aspinall is just a little bit more of

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Speaker 1: I do think. I think that having long portions of

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Speaker 1: I think Blades can make a strong account of himself,

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Speaker 1: but over time, something like what Aspinall will do would

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Speaker 1: be the difference maker' it's the combination. But while it's

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Speaker 1: Blades is best at, which is wrestling, being the predominant

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Speaker 1: amount of offense off of the confusion he would layer

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Speaker 1: together by mixing them. So I don't think it's fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty dual threat. I agree. That would seem like

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Speaker 1: you're undercutting the thing that you know you do better

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Speaker 1: for parody's sake. No, I don't agree with that. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, without question. It's

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Speaker 2: just how close can he get to the line of

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Speaker 2: danger while doing that? Obviously, from the outside, Curtis Blades

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Speaker 2: when he can commits to the jab with his length

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Speaker 2: most likely, although the athletic Aspinau does have a way

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Speaker 2: if a striking can be a conservative striking situation. You

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Speaker 2: like Blades's ability to hang in there and then use

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Speaker 2: those situations to form his takedowns as a threat. But

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Speaker 2: it can't be fighting this guy in close. I mean

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Speaker 2: Aspinall's ability to throw combinations, to throw creative shots, to

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Speaker 2: throw explosive shots. You can't be messing with that, Luke.

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Speaker 2: So that may mean a lot of clench fighting. And

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Speaker 2: if it goes to there, who do you think has

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, So let's say they're, well, okay, are they clinching

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Speaker 1: curtis again based off what we know, right, because we

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Speaker 1: However limited, it may be I would say it, Curtis

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Speaker 1: Curtis is not just I think one of the better

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Speaker 1: wrestlers in the a very unique wrestler in many ways

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Speaker 1: in the heavyweight division. Dude, Like, let's be honest about it.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't just have more fights than Aspenall. He's got

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Speaker 1: vastly better experience, right, he has fought the very best guys.

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Speaker 1: He's fought Francis twice. He has ta did big power

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Speaker 1: But the reality is he has been in there with

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Speaker 1: not look exciting in each individual pocket, but the accumulative

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Speaker 1: weight is significant, So I would say I would favor

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Speaker 1: Blades there. But I really want to go back to this.

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Speaker 1: I really believe that what Blades has to do is

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Speaker 1: afraid to strike. He's got to put a jab in

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Speaker 1: Aspinall's face, and he has got to be level changing

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Speaker 1: and fainting constantly. You can hear Twoky having in a

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Speaker 1: little screaming moment. The point is he does a lot

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Speaker 1: He did that against Chris Daalkas. That is valuable, but

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Speaker 1: I think the value of that is going to be

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Speaker 1: apart when you do shit like that. To me, it's

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Speaker 1: That I think is the Curtis Blades logical, rational, doable

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Speaker 2: Yeah, He's got to constantly be ready, to be adaptable

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Speaker 2: right through and come right through the middle. So you know,

430
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 2: that's where the potential clinching along the cage can be

431
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 2: key for Blades obviously, if he could take him down

432
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 2: in theory, that's key. But Luke, what do you know

433
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 2: about their submission games? We know that Aspirinaul did submit

434
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 2: our Lavsky, which was his only one that's come to

435
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 2: the UFC. Do you think there's an advantage there, meaning

436
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 2: even if Blades is successful with the takedowns, can he

437
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 2: does he have to be super careful in terms of

438
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 2: his you know, grounded pound to not get caught into something.

439
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: Do you have an edge for either fighter in this one?

440
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 2: In that realm?

441
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: Usually big men don't have good guard games. There have

442
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,239
Speaker 1: been in the history of jiu jitsu some exceptions to that.

443
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: And I don't mean just like relatively big, like plus

444
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and a long frame six foot four, six

445
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: foot five, like a like a Hodder Gracie type. I

446
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: mean like actually big dudes who are you know north

447
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: of let's say two forty two fifty who can invert

448
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: and work good ground games. There was a guy years ago,

449
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where he wasn't Brazilian. I think he

450
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: was somewhere from Spanish speaking Latin America. His name was

451
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 1: Abraham Marte, and Abraham Marte used to be like a

452
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: very good big guy who could play underneath. Like but

453
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: for example, uh, what's his name is it? Who's the

454
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: big guy out of like the West coast Orlando? What's

455
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: his last name? He wins? Most big guys in jiu

456
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: jitsu just have good top control, right, So, for example,

457
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: in the last fight for aspinall, how did this submit

458
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 1: should come about? It was a straight arm bar from

459
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: half guard on top. Now that is a it's actually

460
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: a little bit harder to pull off than folks might imagine.

461
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: You have to be long yourself, you have to have

462
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: good you have to have good balance. A lot of

463
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: people can't get that from half guard on top. So

464
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: the fact that he was able to get it is

465
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: actually a little bit more deceivingly difficult than some folks

466
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: might imagine. But he didn't really get it from underneath.

467
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: And what I would say is if your tom Aspinall

468
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: and you saw what Curtis Blades did to Alistair Oveream

469
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: with those elbows, the fucking last place you want to

470
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: be is right there. If there is a submission threat,

471
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: and I do think there is one, it's going to

472
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: be on top for tom Aspinall or from the back potentially,

473
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: although even that one seems low percentage because maintaining it's

474
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: very difficult to maintain control of a two hundred and

475
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,239
Speaker 1: fifty pound athletic guy. It requires your chest and your

476
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: back to be glued together very very tightly, and that's

477
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 1: hard to do when they can move around and they're strong,

478
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: and you know, when someone's one hundred and thirty five

479
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: and one hundred and thirty five pounds, it's a little

480
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: more when they're two fifty. I think actually Blades weight

481
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: in today at two sixty. That's a hard guy to

482
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: keep control of. It's actually funny you don't see a

483
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: lot of guys take mount on other big guys like

484
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: that because it's actually hard to balance on someone that

485
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: big and that athletics. There's no stability there. So what

486
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: I would say you're looking for is that is very

487
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: likely top control or potentially something from the back or

488
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: maybe like a bulldog choke kind of a scenario, but

489
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: not from underneath. I really don't think that. Plus Curtis

490
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: Blades's ground and pound, not just in the overet fight

491
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 1: but in general, can not so much in the Volcalf

492
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: fight because he was gassed. But when he doesn't have that,

493
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, the gas tank weighing him down, so to speak,

494
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: He's a nightmare on top. I would never ever ever

495
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: want to be there. The goal there would be to

496
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: clinch or to immediately get away, not to spend time

497
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: looking for subs. Charles O. Lavera makes it look easy.

498
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: It is not easy.

499
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, not easy at all, Luca. As always, I don't

500
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: know why I go to extremes. But if you were

501
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: a Blades fan in this one, which extreme would you rather?

502
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: A Blade's going for the knockout in it, with a

503
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: type of aggressiveness we don't typically see in that category

504
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: for him, or a Blade who comes in and says, look,

505
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: my best chance might be to gas him out, so

506
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna wrestle until my own wheels fall off.

507
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: Which one would you rather have? Both could end disastrously, Luke,

508
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: But if that if it came down to that, which

509
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: way you lean in?

510
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: I think based on what we know, and again I'm

511
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: gonna keep saying it, which is limited anybody who has like,

512
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: oh I again, maybe Aspinall's coach has a very clear

513
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: sense of things, and that's fine, But we don't have

514
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: a very clear sense of things, although we do have

515
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: some enticing things and that's what we're trying to wrestle with.

516
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: But I go back to it all the time. There's

517
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: a lot of folks who look at the first round

518
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: of Habib never goat made off fighting Connor McGregor, and

519
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: they really misinterpret it what it's all about, because you

520
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: can make a case, well like Habib didn't really do anything,

521
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe you could say Connor even I've

522
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: seen some people say Connor even won the first round,

523
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: which is a little bit silly, But they misunderstand what

524
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: it's all about. Kabib didn't give a shit about any

525
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: of that. What he cared about was I'm gonna wrap

526
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: this guy up and I'm just gonna force him to work.

527
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: Now they knew a little bit more about him. They

528
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: knew that his gas tank wasn't great, and they knew

529
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: that they could make that a very doable game plan.

530
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: We don't really know how true it is in this

531
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: particular case, but the point being is one of the

532
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: best ways to win an MMA, if you can pull

533
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: it off, is to drain a guy, is to make

534
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: him less than what he was, not necessarily all the

535
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: time via punishment. Although if you can incorporate that, that's great.

536
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: But if it's a five round fight and you've got

537
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: more experience and you had a real wake up call

538
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: and Curtis Blade's with that vocal fight and what it

539
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: meant for your takedown and your overall game development, this

540
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: is a chance to write that wrong. What you want

541
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: to do is you want to put Aspenall in places

542
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: where he can't really get off meaningful offense. Maybe he

543
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: can get a little bit here or there, he can't

544
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: get off meaningful offense. You control the engagements, and through

545
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: those engagements you make him work. Let me give you

546
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: a great example. If you can tie up against the

547
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: fence line, drag him to the fence, he goes to base,

548
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: and now you can capture a risk and you can

549
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: make him work from turtle where he has to stand,

550
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: you can maybe sneak a few punches in along the way.

551
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: That to me early on investment, even if you lose

552
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: round one and maybe even round two is a decent

553
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: is a decent idea. I mean, you wouldn't want to

554
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: drop the first two rounds obviously, But draining him early

555
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: to then fight a different guy later, I think is

556
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: the very best plan you can have because it captures

557
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 1: what we know about Aspinall, which is we don't have

558
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: any clear sense about what he looks like third round

559
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: one against elite opposition. Well, Curtis Blades is that times

560
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: one thousand plus. He has a skill set to actually

561
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: bring that to bear. Volkov didn't really have the skill

562
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: set to bring that to bear. Spivak didn't really have

563
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: the skill set to bring that to bear. Curtis Blades does.

564
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: This is a chance for him to force Aspinall to work,

565
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: and by working, drain him and then once he has drained,

566
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: put it on him. Now you might be saying, well,

567
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: Curtis Blade has shown his capacity to get drained too

568
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: fair enough when he meets enough resistance in that vocal fight,

569
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: he had issues with that. I am banking a little

570
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: bit on the idea that he has figured out better

571
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: ways to a lot of that was panic, wrestling, better

572
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: ways to control that, working on his gas tank, working

573
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: on a game plan where he's not overly reliant on

574
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: the wrestling, overly reliant on the clinching, but he has

575
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: enough of it there as a quotient to make a

576
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: difference in the ultimate outcome. I really believe that's that

577
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: is not just a winnable path for Curtis Blades, that's

578
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: the winnable path for Curtis Blaze. I think if you

579
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 1: go in and just try and bulldoze him, you know,

580
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put this guy on his heels. Dude,

581
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: a guy, this athletic who can find offense in all

582
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: the ways he does, that seems like a real bad idea.

583
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out. You know, I've been such

584
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: a Blades guy, but I have seen him tilter when

585
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: he steps up, and it's like, we still don't really know.

586
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: Is that just you fought two legendary sluggers in three

587
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: separate fights in which you got finished in all and

588
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: obviously the first one he gets in Gan, who was

589
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: more of like a he asked out because of the

590
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: beating he took. It wasn't you know he was not

591
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: cold or anything. Oh he was not cold after that Luke,

592
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: for sure. But it's like, is that just bad luck,

593
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: bad place, wrong time, against superhuman hulks who caught him,

594
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: or is there something intangible that's preventing him from getting

595
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: over that top. It's not in a panic mode. He's

596
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: still in the prime of his career. Heavyweights age and

597
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: lasts longer. There are still significant strengths that he has

598
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: that almost make him a unicorn in this division that

599
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: he leans on them. So there's nothing about will he

600
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: get another chance to get there? I mean, he's going

601
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: to be atop this division as long as he's active.

602
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: You get that feeling, but can you identify what's missing? Luke?

603
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: I know he doesn't always believe in his striking. It

604
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: looks like at times I don't know what that missing thing.

605
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: Is though he's a lot like Steve Baby, and people

606
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: are like, no, he's not. Hear me out in my comparison,

607
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: But imagine you kind of flipped the polarity of it

608
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: a little bit, right. What I mean to say is

609
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Steve A can wrestle, steep A can strike, but Stepe's

610
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: best work has been predominantly not from wrestling. It's been

611
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: from striking and then the wrestling was you know, for example,

612
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: in the Francis Saint gan who first fight, kind of

613
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: like a thing that he could go to if he

614
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: really really needed it. He could drain and control France.

615
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: It's that kind of a thing, right, So he had

616
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: that in his back pocket. It was, it was, it

617
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: was a part of what he was, and it was

618
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: an ace in the hole. But it wasn't the forward

619
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: part of his game, for better for worse. It wasn't

620
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: the forward part of his game. For example, in the

621
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: Cormier fight, it was not a forward part of his game.

622
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Blades is a little bit the opposite. Blades can strike

623
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, and it's and now it's becoming a

624
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: little bit more significant of his game. But he was

625
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: kind of just like a wrestle heavy sort of guy.

626
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: And I think he's trying to become, you know, much

627
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: more balanced as a fighter. But if you actually like

628
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: look at what, like, who's a heavyweight who can actually

629
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: strike and really wrestle? Their ask whatall? Notwithstanding, Gon is

630
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: actually not that guy, right, Gon's actually not that guy.

631
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, I don't think Francis has the

632
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: wrestling acumen at all of a guy like Curtis Blades, Right,

633
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: even though Francis has two wins on him Helo, it's

634
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: mma he doesn't actually have the wrestling acumen like in

635
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: that sense. They're very different in a lot of different ways.

636
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: But the closest thing at heavyweight to step a Miocic.

637
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: For all their many differences, in terms of the type

638
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: of balanced fighter that Steepe represents, it's something like Curtis Blaze,

639
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: even if there's a shift in polarity over the predominant

640
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: skill set, and so you're sort of wondering, like, why

641
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: can't he take that next step? I just feel like

642
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: first time he fought Francis, he didn't blend things nearly

643
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: as well as he needed to. Second time did, maybe,

644
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: argue early Stoppach Also, Francis's power is enormous against Derek Lewis,

645
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: he didn't blend it as well as he needed to.

646
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: There's just been times where he wasn't quite mixing it

647
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: as nimbly as he needed to. Whereas in a striking sport,

648
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: for steep A to be so good at striking, all

649
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: ed the wrestling kind of in his back pocket. He

650
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: could mix them when he needed to, but he was

651
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: able to just have much more of a ready to

652
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: go championship kind of skill set. This one is sort

653
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: of working backwards from it, and so I think that's

654
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: really kind of held him back a little bit. The

655
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: striking has held him back. That's just the striking. The

656
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: blending of the striking has kind of held him back.

657
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: And now that he was ever bad at it, but

658
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about the very best guys in the division.

659
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: For them, it maybe wasn't as good as it needed

660
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: to be. Now you're starting to see some of that

661
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: stuff come together. And as I mentioned, the christ talkas

662
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: wins zero takedown attempts, didn't even try, you know, that

663
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: was I think he's leveling it out all a little bit.

664
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: So he says, I'm sorry, I'm getting distracted because there's

665
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: World War three happening outside my mother effing door. But anyway,

666
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: you get the idea that's there's plenty, plenty of meaningful

667
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: differences between Steepe and Curtis, but in terms of finding

668
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: a balanced heavy weight in that way, it's not gone. Actually,

669
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: it's not Francis, it's not Derek Lewis, it's not Ty

670
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: to Ivasa. We'll see if it's Aspinall, I'm him, notwithstanding

671
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: the closest thing to that. For all the differences, it's

672
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: a little bit Curtis Blades, all.

673
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: Right, all right, I don't disagree with any of that.

674
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: It's like Curtis Blades show us a next level gear.

675
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: Or is the theory true that when he does step

676
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: up to the elite level of competition, they find that weakness,

677
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: they finish the fight. If Aspinall is that and he's

678
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: starting to really look like that, then he will. But

679
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: there may be an even middle ground to that middle ground, Luke,

680
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: And it's ultimately my prediction. I do think you're gonna

681
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: get a very strong performance out of Blades, but not

682
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: a victorious one, and on the flip side, a pretty

683
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: good but yet still showing that it takes some time

684
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: performance out of Aspinall, yet it will be enough for

685
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: a win. I think this one goes the distance, and

686
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: it's that fight on the rise that Aspinall will ultimately

687
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: have most needed to show the gas tank to show

688
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: his own level of adaptability and versatility based on the

689
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: different looks he gets. I like Tom Aspall here by decision, Luke,

690
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna be hard earned, and it

691
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: may open up a room for people to say, oh,

692
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: they're not perfect, they're not perfect. Well, guess what, He's

693
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: not freaking perfect, right. He's pretty damn good, though, And

694
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: if you're gonna get by this version of Blades right

695
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: now and get to that upper crust title picture, you're

696
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: gonna have to earn it, and I think he will. Luke,

697
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: I really believe in this guy, whether you know he

698
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: ever shows up on this show or not.

699
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'm gonna pick Aspinall. I wonder if

700
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna regret it tomorrow, because I do think it

701
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: is a And by the way, I'm sure that Aspinall

702
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: and his team have not slept on Curtis Blades. Like,

703
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: if there's one thing you want to say about Tom Aspenall,

704
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: for all the limits we have of the understanding of him,

705
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: one thing is pretty clear. He's smart. He has high

706
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: fight IQ, and his team understand him and they also

707
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: have fight IQ. They're not chumps at all. But I

708
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: do feel like Curtis Blades, even by us, potentially is

709
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: somewhat not merely underrated, sometimes criminally under rated. So I'm

710
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: gonna pick Aspinall. I'm gonna do it based on what

711
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: we've seen and a little bit of a leap of faith,

712
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say he finishes Curtis Blades somewhere around

713
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: the third fourth round. I may come to regret it,

714
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: and if I do, I am happy on Monday Show

715
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: to be like God, damn it. I should have known better.

716
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: But that's where my head is at today. That's my

717
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: pick for the main event.

718
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm more confident in an Aspinall finish

719
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: after round three that I am of a Blades win

720
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: of any kind, even though I expect this to be

721
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 2: a close, very competitive fight. So yeah, I'm just an

722
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: asshole though, So we'll see what happens, to see how

723
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: it plays out. I can't wait for it though. London,

724
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon. Luke the Kleman Event Jack her Manson a

725
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: minus one oh five favorite, sorry not favorite, minus one

726
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: o five underdog or maybe I don't know how to

727
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: read odds. Luke very very true. What is minus Curtis

728
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: is the favorite minus one fifteen her Manson minus one

729
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: oh five.

730
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: But Luke for me basically a pick them.

731
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: It's a basically for mister Action Chris Curtis, thirty five

732
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: years old, eight fight wind streak across a few different

733
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: He lost three consecutive fights in twenty nineteen in the PFL,

734
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: two to Maga met magamt carry him off, and then

735
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: won to Ray Cooper the third. But it's been all

736
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: victory since then, and now he takes another last minute

737
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: fall apart to kind of slide in and see what

738
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: happens here. Luke, Dude her Manson, last time I checked,

739
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: Luke is a tough out for anybody. Do you like

740
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: Curtis being the favorite here entering this one?

741
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: I do a little bit, A little bit. I gotta say, dude,

742
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: if you needed a okay, if you're Chris Curtis and

743
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: you knew you had to fight Jack Hermanson, but you

744
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: needed a warm up fight to get ready for it. Now,

745
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a perfect warm up

746
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: fight for it, but I got to tell you judelfo

747
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: Vieira as a warm up fight for that is actually

748
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: pretty helpful. Why Because Jack Hermanson can do some interesting

749
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: striking on the feet, and he can blend, but his

750
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: best work is typically as a grappler. It's why he

751
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: went all in on it against Jared Kennoneer and it

752
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: didn't work, but it was probably the right idea. Jared

753
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: cana are At in that fight did an amazing job

754
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: scrambling and breaking grips and breaking control. I don't know

755
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: if Chris Curtis has that, particularly on short notice. We're

756
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: gonna find out. It'll be interesting to see. But when

757
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: you have to stuff twenty plus takedowns in your previous

758
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: fight and you think you're walking in here whether one

759
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: hundred percent takedown defensive rate in the UFC, that's exactly

760
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: what you might need if you're already a better striker,

761
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: which I do think Chris Curtis is certainly a better

762
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: boxer than Jack Armanson. You already just fought a guy

763
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: recently who tried to take you down all the time. Now,

764
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Jack Armnson is a different guy, different strengths, different leverages.

765
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: They're not the same. But we're talking about what's a

766
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: good warm up fight, Dude, that's a great warm up fight,

767
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: all things being what they are to take into this.

768
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: Then on top of that, you look at the fact

769
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: that Chris Curtis tends to get hit a lot, but

770
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: this is out more than he takes is good in

771
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: boxing range has obviously knockout power. I gotta say I

772
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: I you know, it's a close fight and there's lots

773
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: of reasons to think her Manson might win. But Chris

774
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: Curtis is walking into this one. If you're gonna walk

775
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: in on short notice, which is what he's doing, this

776
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: is one of the better ways to walk in. To

777
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: have an existing skill set that gives you a bit

778
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: of an advantage on the feet, to have a recent fight,

779
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: and to have a recent fight against a guy who

780
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: spammed takedowns against you in all different kinds of ways.

781
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: That is an awesome, awesome background to have to walk

782
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: into this co main event.

783
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very well said, although I found out the

784
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: hard way when I'm not criticized. But I once said

785
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: something negative about the Joker Luke, and boy he's got fans.

786
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: You wouldn't guess Luke. They came out of us at MK.

787
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: But here's the deal with the Joker. Yeah they did

788
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: and said, look, he's way better than people realized. But

789
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: the reality is he's three and three in his last six.

790
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: But it's you know, losses to the very elite split

791
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: decision is Sean Strickland Victorian a decision, then he got

792
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: stopped by Cannoneer and the wins are you know, Ronaldo

793
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: so's a Calvin Gastolon by submission and then when he

794
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: ran through Edmond Shabazi in for that three round unanimous decision.

795
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: So it's like, luc is he the last six would

796
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: tell you he's an elite gatekeeper. Others will tell you

797
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: he's just putting it all together. Right now, if we

798
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: get the very best of Jack Romance and this may

799
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: be a different fight, Luke, but have we seen the

800
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: very best.

801
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: Of him yet? I think we have. Which is gonna

802
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: say he can't win here, That's not my argument, But like,

803
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: do I think he's going to rack up a win

804
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: subsequent to I mean, what would you say is his

805
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: best win? So he's got you to your point, the

806
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: gasoline win from the Heel guests, which was nice. Yeah,

807
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: Do I think he's gonna get a win better than

808
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: that going forward? I'm skeptical. Certainly possible. I'm not a

809
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: future I'm not a fortune teller, but I don't think so.

810
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: I think you probably have seen him at his peak.

811
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: The question is not that. The question is even if

812
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: he's not at his peak. Is he still good enough

813
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: to beat Chris Curtis, And certainly on paper, yes he is.

814
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: But I don't think. I don't think he's got like

815
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: grand heights in front of him. I don't believe that.

816
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: No, And you know he had gritty fights in losses

817
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: to Vittori and Strickland. I mean, he puts on the pressure,

818
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: he's willing to fight. He's tough as crap, Luke, he

819
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: gets in and out of crazy situations. You know, it

820
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: could be the perfect kryptonite for the for the fun

821
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: run that Chris Curtis is on and take nothing away

822
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: from him and to your credit showing that power and

823
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: just taking each opportunity and climbing. But if the joker

824
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: Luke is still going to linger and try to make

825
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: another run, he's got to win this fight. That's what

826
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: it comes down to. And if he bites down and

827
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: stays gritty, I mean, I get what you're saying. If

828
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: he can't take the fight to the ground at all,

829
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: that could change this in the other direction.

830
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: Look at look at what happened in the Sean Strickland fight.

831
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: Let's pull that up, Jesus f in Christ. Sorry, how

832
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: about Jack Hermanson do you know how many takedowns he

833
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: attempted in that fight? Bec do you remember, no, eight

834
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: he attempted eight takedowns? How many did he get?

835
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: Two?

836
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Zero? He whiffed on all eight. Made it a very

837
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: different fight at that point. Even against the guy like

838
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: Sean Strickland, who is somewhat a little bit you know,

839
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: muted as a striker in terms of like big action, right,

840
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: he's more much more careful in that way. So no,

841
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: he if you if, if you can't get if he

842
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: can't get the takedown, his game changes dramatically at that point, right.

843
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: And for Chris Curtis, uh, Now, if he gets taken down,

844
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: I think he's in big trouble because one thing that

845
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: Jack Hermanson does really well is once he gets the

846
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: takedown or if he can bring the fight to the

847
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: floor in some kind of way, then he is an

848
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: active submission hunter. Right now, that is a big difference.

849
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: He's not some guy who's gonna take you down and

850
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna slowly work to move to half guard, and

851
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna pit her pattern with shots and

852
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look for ground and pound. No, dude, that

853
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: guy is trying to find a limb or a throat

854
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: as fast as he can. But it's just if you

855
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: take that away, he's just not at all the same

856
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: guy anymore. And again, Chris Curtis walks into this fight

857
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: with a one hundred percent take on the fence. And

858
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: by the way, BC, what do Sean Strickland Chris Curtis

859
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: have in common? They're training partners and they have been

860
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: training partners now for a little while. Sean Strickland has

861
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: probably done a fair amount to help Chris Curtis about

862
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: these entries and about what to expect. Again, you gotta

863
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: fight it. Sean Strickland can't fight it for you, but

864
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: that is going to play a role here. I suspect

865
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: Jack Romanson's up against it.

866
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the plot thickens. I just think, if you're Jack

867
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: Romanson in here, seriously, you gotta win this one. This

868
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: is a matchup. I don't want to say you should

869
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: win for everything you just said. And it's a tough

870
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: ass fight. But if he's going to stay being a

871
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: guy of a high level of respect that we have

872
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: for him, Luke, at this level, he's gonna have to

873
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: be gritty. And he was gritty against Strickland even with

874
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: the takedowns being taken away from him, but it's going

875
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: to have to be more here. It's a big close

876
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: up look, a big opportunity for him that could you know,

877
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: dictate where he's going the next couple of years. So

878
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it, Luke. A lot of attention

879
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: going to be of course, I'm Patty Pimbla who seemed

880
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: to make weight and look great doing it despite all

881
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: the talks of him getting fat between fights. He'll be

882
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: minus two sixty five favorite against Jordan Levitt plus two

883
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: twenty five. We talked about this as being ki you know,

884
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: kind of the right matchup at the right time, a

885
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: favorable style matchup. It may be a little bit more

886
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: about keep banging the drum that Patty's coming at this

887
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 2: point and give him a chance to get there, Luke,

888
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: to some degree, and what you can do with UFC matchmaking,

889
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: which we don't normally do that, but to some degree

890
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: you can wig a little bit. This seems to be

891
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: that type of matchup. So what do you expect that

892
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: we see? I mean, Patty is a boy. Does he

893
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: love the crowd, Luke and they love him? Do you

894
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: think that's what drives him into situations where he ends

895
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: up taking damage before winning or is it just you know,

896
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: that's his style, that's his hunger he gets. He gets

897
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: in that.

898
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's like chicken or the egg. I

899
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: think the fans respond to that, right. I think he's

900
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: got that in him. He's if you watch them just

901
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: on the grappling department, like Jordan Levitt is a very

902
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: good grapper, like this is I was, I was. I'll

903
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: say this, this is a good test for Patty Pimblets development.

904
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: This is a good one if he passes it. It

905
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he's gonna win a title, that'll far

906
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: from it, but it would be a nice sign for

907
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: him to be able to pass this because you know

908
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: his striking, I think the striking defense is something that

909
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: needs to be worked on a little bit, obviously, but

910
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: his grappling is pretty great. And so if you can

911
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: beat this guy grappling, which we'll see how he beats him,

912
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: but if he can beat him grappling, that would be

913
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good sign. The one I'm trying to make

914
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: here is the difference between like Patty and Levitt as

915
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: a general fighting posture is that Pimblet is a little

916
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: bit more of what we call in the military a

917
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: hard charger. He's a hard charger. He has a certain

918
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: amount of physical intensity that he brings sometimes to his

919
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: own detriment, but when it's going, it goes really well.

920
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: And what you're actually seeing is he keeps a little

921
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: bit that physical intensity. But in his last fight against Vargas,

922
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: he dialed it back just a little bit, just a

923
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: little bit to make a better I think, to get

924
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: better takedown opportunities, or I'd think to get up on

925
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: top of what he ended up doing. I think I

926
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: actually found the back. How did he win his last one?

927
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: I have to go back and look here bede him

928
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: won the last one via rear naked choke. That's right.

929
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: But he was patient along the fence lines of the

930
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make. There was a real patience

931
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: he showed relative to what he had showed previously. Levitt

932
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: is a tricky grappler, and he's a very good one,

933
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: but he's almost a He's almost got a very defensive

934
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: sensibility to him, especially in the striking. He has like

935
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: these big cover ups and moves away a lot. He

936
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: doesn't really engage in that sense, and in grappling, like

937
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: for example, his win over sales, he was sales with

938
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: the guy initiating the takedown then and then from this

939
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: sort of like slow moving scramble, he locked up this

940
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: inverted triangle. So he's tricky in that way, but he

941
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: lets the game kind of come to him, whereas Pemblet

942
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of tries to define the fight by virtue of

943
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: taking the fight to the opponent. And you might say, oh,

944
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: that's a bad matchup. That's exactly what Levitt wants. It

945
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: could be that that is one possibility. The other possibility

946
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: is that if Pemblet's game is developing the way that

947
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: it needs to, he's gonna Oh, he's gonna run over Levitt.

948
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: That's the other possibility here. Like there's a value to

949
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: letting the game come to you a little bit, letting

950
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 1: the fight come to you, But there is a thin

951
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: line between letting the game come to you and then

952
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: getting your ass run over by someone who is bringing

953
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: too much intensity for your defensive sensibilities. Right, You've got

954
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: to match that intensity at certain times, and I don't

955
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: necessarily see that, Like, for example, you go back to

956
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: the Poisjess fight he had where this is the one

957
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: that Levitt lost. You know, he was kind of accepting

958
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: of his opponent just bringing the takedown to him and

959
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: then kind of having these scrambles where he was doing

960
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: well enough, but he couldn't really that there wasn't enough

961
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: intensity in the wrestling scrambles to get the better of it,

962
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: and he lost that fight as a consequence. Like, dude,

963
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: that's a very that's a path that pemblic could follow,

964
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: to say nothing of the difference in striking, where for

965
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: all of Pimblet's striking deficiencies. You know, dude, look at

966
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: the numbers here for just a second. Let me read

967
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: them to you very quickly. Okay, this is the bad

968
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: side of Petty Pimblet. He absorbs three point eight to

969
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: nine strikes per minute. It's a little on the high side,

970
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: and we've seen him get you know, rocked a lot.

971
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: But dude, strikes landed per minut over six. That's high. Conversely,

972
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: Jordan Levitt only lands two point five strikes per minute.

973
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: He's just much more muted in that sense. So there's

974
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: a real question of if Pemblet brings the intensity but

975
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: is a little bit scientific about it, but steady about it.

976
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: He might just run over Jordan Levitt. Levitt has to

977
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: bring a certain kind of and by the way I

978
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: think Pemblet brought this up, I believe this is true. Dude,

979
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: Jordan Levitt in the UFC has fought at the Apex.

980
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: Let me explain something to you. He made a point.

981
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: Levitt was like, Oh, well, it's the fight. It's gonna

982
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: be a nine pm on the BRIT's gonna be really

983
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: drunk by that point. Motherfucker, They're gonna be hammer time

984
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: by the time that fight comes along. Are you fucking

985
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: shitting me? They're gonna be drunk as a skunk, shouting

986
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: their their lungs out. He is not at all prepared

987
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: for what that crowd is gonna be, like, make no

988
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: mistake about it.

989
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the Lion's den and Ken SHAMROCK's not

990
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: showing up anytime soon. Luke, I agree with you. I

991
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: feel like the combination of the submission win in a

992
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: second fight showing you, Okay, there's more under that hood

993
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: than that. Maybe he's shown since coming here, or that

994
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: we think and look, I don't know, I'm starting to

995
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: get crazy like a foxly fox feeling from Patty Pimblet

996
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: that that you know, he wants you to think that

997
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: that he's a little bit limited, you know, a little

998
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: Billy Hoyle right there, Luke. You know it is hard

999
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: goddamn work, right, I mean a little bit of that.

1000
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: I think he rolls through him too. And and you

1001
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: know the chicken or the egg about the fans and

1002
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: how they love him, they fuel him, Luke, There's no

1003
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: question about it. I mean, it's you know, maybe I

1004
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe he likes getting into a little skirmish,

1005
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: Luke and then rallying out of it. You certainly can't

1006
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: keep that spirit all the way to the highest level.

1007
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: But on this level, with the expectations for this crowd

1008
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: and this close up, I don't know, Luke. Look, you

1009
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: know we talk about majors. We're gonna get into UFC

1010
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: two eighty again and that you know, Abu Dhabi card

1011
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: coming up. But dude, that's a freaking major MSG major.

1012
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder if if you know, we need

1013
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: to readjust that London's going to be a major soon, Luke,

1014
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: a major pay per view inside of a stadium, if

1015
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: you know, once we get to that point, and this

1016
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: guy's a big part of getting to that point. So

1017
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: he gets another one of these wins here with you know,

1018
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: the O two going just bad shit crazy. Uh he

1019
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: wants he seems to want the smoke Luke. I can't

1020
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: believe him coming around on this. He seems like, you know,

1021
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: the gimmick is just kind of like yeah, all right,

1022
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: you know. But but I think there's more into that

1023
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: hood loop than we know.

1024
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: I Uh, when they first announced this fight, I was like, dude,

1025
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: Levit's a tricky grappler, and he is a tricky grappler, Like,

1026
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: there are a lot of ways this could go poorly

1027
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: for Petty Pimlett. That's why I like this matchmaking. Like

1028
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: first two fights, you know, they were just trying to

1029
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: get him warmed up fair enough. Didn't mind it. I

1030
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: understood it for what it was. Now they're asking him

1031
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: to beat someone who really has the capacity to beat him.

1032
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: I didn't really believe the first two guys had the

1033
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 1: genuine capacity to beat him. This guy does, This guy does?

1034
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: He really does. Jordan Levit is a very very tricky grappler.

1035
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: But I think if Patty Pimblet can can bring that

1036
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: intensity he typically brings. But in his last fight, like

1037
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: what he did show moments and a general sense of

1038
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: when to press the gas and when to press the

1039
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: brakes rather than just sort of being all gas all

1040
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: the time. He's gonna win. I'm gonna pick Patty here.

1041
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna pick him earlier, but I think I've

1042
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: changed my mind a little bit about it. I think

1043
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: this is it's a tricky fight, make no mistake. But Patty,

1044
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: I'll put it this way, should win, Should win this contest.

1045
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: That's what I think.

1046
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: Look, he's charmed you a little bit.

1047
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I'm not one of these guys

1048
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: that buys into like, oh he's you know, he's the

1049
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: next big thing out of the UK. You know, I

1050
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: don't think that that's true. We don't know that, you know.

1051
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: And I will again. I always go back to it,

1052
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: like soorn Bach whooped him and then went off to

1053
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: Belatore and like doesn't have the acclaim. And it's kind

1054
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: of weird because that guy, like Pat Pimblet was a

1055
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: five round fight and back beat him basically grappling, like

1056
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: it can be done. I've seen it done, so you know,

1057
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: I have real reservations about his upside. I think that's

1058
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: only fair, not just in the striking, but overall I

1059
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: have real reservations. However, however, the dude trains hard. He

1060
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: gets a lot of shity by being a big personality

1061
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: that I think is a little bit unfair. This is

1062
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: a winnable fight. He trains with a very good coach

1063
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: that I have a lot of respect for, Justin Flores

1064
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: among other ones. He deserves the respect that he's owed.

1065
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: And I feel like I don't get involved with the

1066
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: fan side of it. And if you you know, I'm

1067
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: not saying not you, but the proverbial you out there,

1068
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: if you guys like him or hate him, I leave

1069
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: that entirely up to you. I don't really get involved

1070
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: in it. So I feel like I have a little

1071
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of an opportunity to make,

1072
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, a non uh not. Every every assessment is biased,

1073
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: but I'm not biased in the fan sensibility way at least.

1074
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: And as a consequence, I I you know, he's a

1075
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: good athlete, he trains really hard, He's got a good

1076
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: team behind him. This is a this is good matchmaking

1077
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: on the part of the promoter to give him some

1078
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: trouble but put him in a winnable context. I'll just

1079
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: say this, it's a real bad sign. If Pimblic can't

1080
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: beat Jordan Levitt in this way, it's a real bad

1081
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: sign about his upside. But if he wins, it's it's

1082
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: a great one. He should be. He should be. It

1083
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: would signal a very positive sign for his development.

1084
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: Every time I read Jordan Levitt's name, Luke, I think

1085
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 2: of Joseph Gordon Levitt from you know, Third Rock.

1086
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: From the Sun and you mean Batman.

1087
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: And Summer Summer. What's that movie? You know? You know

1088
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

1089
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: Summer. Joseph Gordon Levitt was good in Loopers. Have ever

1090
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: seen Loopers? No? I haven't.

1091
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: I have seen Lucas with Corey Ham though. You better

1092
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: believe that, Luke.

1093
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: Loopers. I think it's on Netflix with Bruce Willis. It's

1094
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: a very good movie. You should see it, all right.

1095
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: I stopped watching Bruce Willis movies after Color of Night

1096
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: because I realized that you don't need There's no you

1097
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: can't top that, Luke, Right, you know what I mean?

1098
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1099
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. Uh look, uh. I had some

1100
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: rough things to say about Alexander Gustinson coming back to

1101
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: light heavyweight division for this fight only at plus one

1102
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: seventy five underdog by the way against the minus two

1103
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: o five Nikita Krilov, who's coming off a first round stoppage,

1104
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: lost himself. Luke, there, uh what does this look like

1105
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: in the end? I don't want to be proven right here.

1106
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 2: I love Alexander Guftison. I'd love if he could create,

1107
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: you know, a twilight run and be a tough out

1108
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: and win some fights. I'm not feeling it here, Luke, Okay,

1109
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 2: what is this fight going to look like Saturday?

1110
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know. You know, you

1111
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: look at Krilov's last two fights against Unclive. He lost, okay,

1112
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: fair enough on Calive is a hammer, and then he

1113
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: lost to Paul Craig. And you know, Paul Craig has

1114
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: an amazing guard, but like just a lot of really

1115
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: poor decision making from Krilov. So you think he's beatable.

1116
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: Maybe right, But dude, the questions about Gustavson at this point,

1117
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even do Let me ask you,

1118
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: where are you Forget about Krilov, forget about this fight,

1119
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: Just where are ubc on Gustafson? Because okay, he went

1120
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: to heavyweight and the for doomed thing didn't work out whatever,

1121
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: But you know he was kind of fading down the

1122
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: stretch when he was fighting Anthony Smith. I think Anthony

1123
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: Smith took a lot of the last bit of the

1124
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: love in the game from him, and then he came

1125
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: back and all this stuff I don't even know. Like, dude,

1126
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Gustafson at his best, at his best,

1127
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: way better than Krolov's best, way better.

1128
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Speaker 2: Oh, no question.

1129
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: But where is Gustafson's best?

1130
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy's not coming through the door, looke. This

1131
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: has more like recent Carlos content run vibes to me,

1132
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 2: and even Condent had some wins in there. But like, no, Luke,

1133
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: where am I at? I told you Wednesday, I'm in

1134
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: a bad place with Gustafson. I don't you know. He

1135
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: doesn't have to really show me that he wants to

1136
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 2: be in there. And I think this is a tough

1137
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: matchup and maybe he's getting the odds this way because

1138
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: of his name, or maybe I'm off and there's gonna

1139
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: be more. You know, fire left in that belly and

1140
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: just needed some time and recharging. But you know, the

1141
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: one off at heavyweight and then back down and it's

1142
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: just it. You know, this ain't an easy out under

1143
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: any circumstances. So I think he gets stopped in the

1144
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: first round. Home Like I said it, Luke, I said it.

1145
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: You know, I'll be watching the d C fight for

1146
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: the rest of my life. Was great theater, But uh,

1147
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: you know.

1148
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: That DC fight. Someone was asking me, like, uh, I

1149
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: forget where I saw it, but someone made a point

1150
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: to me that Gustafson should be included on the list

1151
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: of fighters. Best fighterso never won a title? Hell yeah,

1152
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: And dude, that fight he gave d C is people

1153
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: alway talk about like the fight he gave John, and

1154
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: he gave John a tough fight. That fight against d

1155
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: C was tooth and motherfucking nail. And I'm you know

1156
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: you've seen DC hurt obviously with you know this the

1157
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: the loss to John for example, and there's been some

1158
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: other ones. But do that he put d C in

1159
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: pair roll. Remember this This is a general rule. And

1160
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: I learned this one from Phil Baroni. Phil Baronio I

1161
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: made a point like, dude, what's the if you know

1162
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: someone was in a tough fight. When they interviewed the winner,

1163
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: the first thing they say is like, holy shit, that

1164
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: was that was that was so.

1165
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: Good I did not get paid enough. I mean he's

1166
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: actually talked about it. He was like that made me

1167
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: reconsider whether I wanted to take really hard fights like

1168
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: this anymore, because it just financially might not be worth it,

1169
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like that's that was That

1170
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: was an insane fight. I mean, that's if that's the

1171
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: best of Gustuson. The Jones fight followed by his performance

1172
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: and that I know he had nice wins around that.

1173
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: He also came back who sent him to hell in

1174
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: the first round? Was it Rumble or Glover that just

1175
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 2: peeled him off the canvas?

1176
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: Luke? That was Glover and him went four rounds and

1177
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: he beat Glover, which I think is one of the

1178
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: past to victory here. I think it was Rumble, remember

1179
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: because it was they because that's when the UFC was

1180
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: trying to make Sweden like this next big market, yes,

1181
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: and Gustuson was really trying to come along, and then

1182
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: Rumble put a stop to that ship.

1183
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rumble teks era was the Rumble against Glover? Was

1184
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: that sixteen second one at two oh two? I remember

1185
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: that one for sure? But uh, all right, Luke, I

1186
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: hold you know I hope I'm proven wrong here. I

1187
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: want to be proven wrong. I don't want to be

1188
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: known as the guy who picked Woodley Till perfectly and

1189
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: then picked this perfectly. Luke, Okay, all right, I don't

1190
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: want to.

1191
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: I'll go you picked Krolov in this one.

1192
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: By first round stoppage. He'll, in fact, he'll take Gustinson's

1193
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: gloves off for him and leave him in the center

1194
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: of the.

1195
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: Can you have Do you have odds on this one?

1196
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: Do you have the odds? Yeah?

1197
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: I already read a plus one seventy five Gustafson minus

1198
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: two o five kre Lov. Luke, if you only listened

1199
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: to me, you'd get a lot of.

1200
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: Hear you, motherfucker. I can't remember the numbers all the time,

1201
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it. Just for fun, I'll go Gustufson.

1202
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm not really predicting that, but just just for the

1203
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: show's saying, and then if he wins, I'm going to

1204
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: claim all the credits. So fuck you, I hope.

1205
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: So all right, uh Luke, Molly Meatball as McCann is

1206
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: coming off a spectacular knockout that I did see a

1207
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 2: lot of haters saying, you know, you guys need to

1208
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: slow your role. That was the perfect situation against the

1209
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: right opponent. The highlight reel finish. She ain't that fighter. Well,

1210
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: she has been up and down since coming to the UFC,

1211
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: but that performance did show you something else, a different

1212
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: kind of spark, Luke. Maybe it's fueled by the attention

1213
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: that her and Patty and naspinall are getting. And I mean, look,

1214
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: you gotta give Molly McCann credit. This credit at least

1215
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: every time she shows up on camera somewhere, you know

1216
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: she's there. I mean, she's she is selling out in

1217
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: terms of like I'm a personality. Come watch the Molly

1218
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: and Patty show, and it's fun. It's fun to a

1219
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,959
Speaker 2: certain degree, Luke. But now they got to fight again.

1220
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: Hannah Goldie at plus three point thirty is is typically

1221
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: in the opening bout. She's gonna get bumped up in

1222
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: this opportunity, Luke. Do you like the muscle in this

1223
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: case or do you like the meatball? As a minus

1224
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: four ten favorite?

1225
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: So you you're you're gonna ride with this? Hannah Goldie

1226
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: is the new muscle shark.

1227
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not I have it. I'm not going to

1228
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: I have been riding with it, Luke, you know I'm

1229
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: a forerunner, a trailblazer.

1230
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: How much of that is Instagram influenced?

1231
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean the thing is, I don't have

1232
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: to comment publicly unless unless quarter pointed to tell you

1233
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: about who I follow on Instagram.

1234
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: In listen, she is she is. She is to your point,

1235
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: she's well muscled, strong and by the way, some of

1236
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: the criticisms of mall mccannon in the sense that you know,

1237
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: the opponent she got the spinning back what was it,

1238
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: fist or elbow or elbow? Ko, Yes, that opponent was

1239
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: not not the toughest fight I've ever seen, Right, let's

1240
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: be let's be let's be very fair about that. But

1241
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: like I always say this, it's like, Okay, if it

1242
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: wasn't the toughest opponent, she still beat the ship. I mean,

1243
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: she did what you were supposed to do. Like, that's

1244
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to look like. If there's that much

1245
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: of a mismatch, fair enough. I just it's not that

1246
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: I can't see Hannah Goldie winning. Like, but what would

1247
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: you actually say in terms of individual phases of the

1248
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: game that Goldie is meaningfully better at maybe stronger?

1249
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, stronger potentially jiu jitsu on the ground

1250
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: she can get herself. I mean, look, Goldie ends up

1251
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: in wild fights and a lot of that unfortunate Luke

1252
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: is her lack of head movement in terms of her defense,

1253
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: and she's good in those scrambling of those wild fights.

1254
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: So it's gonna have to be a ground heavy attack

1255
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: that that attempts to kind of gasp Molly out, because

1256
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: if she stands in trades with Molly, I think she's

1257
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: gonna get stopped.

1258
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, if she trades with Molly, she'll get stopped. Even

1259
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: then the ju jitsu think, I take it, it's it's

1260
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: it's legit. It could happen. It shouldn't It should Molly

1261
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: McCann should be able to cause to break contact for

1262
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: separation and then beat her up on the feet, particularly

1263
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: with like leg kicks and whatnot. I think that's I

1264
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: think that's the likeliest path that this fight takes. I

1265
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: take your point that you know, there's you have a

1266
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: better athlete, maybe certainly a stronger athlete in the case

1267
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: of Hannah Goldie, but in general, in general, skills win fights.

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Speaker 1: And while I recognize that you know, people are trying

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00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: to blow up Molly mccannbase on the wind and put

1270
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: her perhaps a little bit further along than she ordinarily

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00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: would be given you know who she was fighting fair enough.

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00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: That win was nice, It was extremely well executed, and

1273
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: she does have the skills to win this fight. I

1274
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: think she should and will and.

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00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: We don't have you know, super fan j Paquette's animation ready.

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00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: But this is the BC Super Sloppy special of the week.

1277
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: It should be a wild fight. Probably gonna be talking

1278
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: about it in some form come Monday. So, by the way, Luke,

1279
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Speaker 2: Monday's my forty fourth birthday.

1280
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: So wow, what are you gonna do for your birthday?

1281
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: Morning? Combat? Uh?

1282
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: Give me your address so I can send you a

1283
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: guy who shows up with a song on it and sings

1284
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: you a song for your birthday, like a single telegram

1285
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: brings you a cake.

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01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: I'd be something, Luke, Luke, this might be my favorite

1287
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: fight on the card short of the main event. Paul

1288
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: Craig vulcan Osdemir. We set the storylines of what we

1289
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: can expect, but again I think curious odds minus one

1290
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: forty five. O's Demir your favorite? A plus one twenty five.

1291
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: Paul Craig, who's on a hell of a run right now,

1292
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: despite getting hurt and dropped and a few of those Luke, Dude,

1293
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 2: I like plus money on Paul Craig all day here

1294
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: Luke against Vulcan Ozdemir, who I wouldn't say his career

1295
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: is completely falling apart, Luke, but there's been some serious

1296
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: highs and lows since that initial run to a title opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. Paul Craig is just

1298
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: he's just the best. You just I love guys who

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: bring unusual games and then find ways to have unusual wins.

1300
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: That's really what he does. However, there's no good reason

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01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: why he should win this one, right, Bulk and Uzdemir

1302
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: when he's cooking. When he's cooking is fast, hits hard.

1303
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: He's fought the very best at two zero five, right,

1304
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: He's already been to the mountaintop in that sense, found

1305
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: himself wanting, but he at least got up there. And

1306
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: there are deficiencies in his game. For example, Anthony Smith

1307
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: was able to work from the back against Uzdemir. You

1308
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: would imagine Paul Craig might be able to take advantage

1309
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: of that as well. It's a winnable fight for Paul Craig.

1310
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: But if Uzdemir is careful and doesn't make bad decisions,

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01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: he should win this one. It's not like on the

1312
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: feet Craig is a major knockout threat. I think that's

1313
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: not unfair to say it's mostly the submission threat, which

1314
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: is real. But Uzdemir's athletic should have good takedown defense,

1315
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: should have good separation, and should be the much better

1316
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: striker on the feet. So we'll see this like, dude

1317
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: fighting Paul Craig is a real big not just like

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01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: two wins and loses, but like it's a real big

1319
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: question about fine IQ against Paul Craig because a lot

1320
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: of these guys they hurt him and they go to

1321
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 1: the ground. It's like, dude, stop fucking doing that. He's

1322
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: got all kinds of tricks on the ground in positions

1323
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: you're not used to with your training partners to take advantage.

1324
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: Don't do it. So if they make good decisions, they

1325
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: should win this one. We will see how good Uzdimir's

1326
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: decision making is at this stage of his game.

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Speaker 2: I think that is somewhat's what's giving me confidence and

1328
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: fuel that it could be another Paul Craig type fight.

1329
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: And I mean, look current stock in terms of momentum,

1330
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 2: obviously Craig's got that advantage. I mean, look, we got

1331
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: to be real here. Ostimir is two and five in

1332
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,959
Speaker 2: his last seven. Yeah, there's a lot of elite names there,

1333
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: but you know, and yeah, he was putting it on

1334
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,479
Speaker 2: Prohatchka in big moments before getting stopped. But I also

1335
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: think he got a favorable split decision against Rackets in

1336
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: a fight that I thought you could go the other

1337
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: way on. So I you know, Craig needs to stop

1338
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: doing some of those Paul Craig things, which is get

1339
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: lit up by a big striker. This is a guy

1340
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: you cannot f with. And if that is the ultimate

1341
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 2: determination in the way these odds are set, I guess

1342
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: I get it. Luke. I mean you're kind of basically saying,

1343
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: forget the current run of either guy. Osamir at the

1344
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: end of the day just might be the better fighter.

1345
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: That's kind of what you're saying.

1346
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: The fight starts on the feet, and given that reality,

1347
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: and given his ability and his experience in terms of separation,

1348
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: takedown defense, that sort of thing, that should heavily favor him.

1349
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: It does heavily favor him. The question is what he

1350
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: does with it in all the different other phases. And

1351
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: Paul Craig has all kinds of guardability in the way

1352
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: that we have seen him use it, but he is

1353
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: also somewhat reliant on both his ability, his trickery and

1354
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: also in the case of for example, when the krill

1355
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: Off fight, his opponent making bad choices. One way to

1356
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: neutralize Paul Craig for all of his for as much

1357
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: of a gem as he is, is to not make

1358
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: bad choices about the grappling. We shall see. We shall see.

1359
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, obviously not just his strike defense.

1360
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: To be able to to not get hurt and be

1361
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: sent into these situations where he can rally on the ground,

1362
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: that's gonna be key. But he's also gonna have to

1363
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 2: be a striking presence of some form without question to

1364
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: win this fight. I mean, you say what you want

1365
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: about Vulcans run again. He was punched for punch with Prahatschka.

1366
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 2: There you know what I mean. He did get the nod,

1367
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 2: whether I agreed or not, and had big moments against rackets.

1368
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: So he certainly Looke can play and has shown that

1369
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: in the past at a high level competition. Even if

1370
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 2: he's not getting an early knockout. So I don't want to,

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 2: you know, leave that level of disrespect on him. But

1372
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 2: if Paul Craig has that leap in him, Luke, to legitimacy.

1373
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 2: This is the path, man, It's got to go through here.

1374
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: So let's see. It's gonna be theater at the very least. Luke,

1375
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I'm in my mind. You know, will

1376
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: that transfer into dollars? I don't know, but in my mind,

1377
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: I'm taking Paul Craig with the plus money. Ooh okay,

1378
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: feeling good about it.

1379
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: I would love for Paul Craig to win because I

1380
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: think he's just he's so good for MMA, he's so fun,

1381
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,479
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy, he's a smart guy. I'm gonna

1382
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: lean Uzdamir because he should didn't lose this. We shall see,

1383
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: we shall right.

1384
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: Very interesting. Look any any other fight you want to

1385
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: highlight up and down this card. I know that you've

1386
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: talked a lot about Mohammad Molkayev, who is a minus

1387
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: four to seventy five favorite against Charles Johnson. They say

1388
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: that this guy may not be on the prelims much longer. Luke.

1389
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's amazing for a guy who made his pro

1390
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: debut or a UFC debut in his last contest, was

1391
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: it even yeah? In his last contest. The one I'm

1392
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more interested in would actually be the

1393
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Wood Charles Rosaphite. Nathaniel would I was a top

1394
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: prospect out of the UK and kind of hit a

1395
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: few roadbumps in the UFC, and this is a good

1396
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of get back fight a little bit. He's coming

1397
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: up the loss to Casey Kenny and he has a

1398
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: loss to John Dotson. But I do think highly of him.

1399
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: I would like to see him. I would like to

1400
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: see what he can do here. So this is a

1401
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: good test. Charles Ross is tough, but you know this

1402
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: is a winnable fight. I think for Nathaniel Wood, it's

1403
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: a good matchmaking. I like it.

1404
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: I like it as well. Luke could be looking forward

1405
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: to reminder, those prelims start early East Coast time tomorrow

1406
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: afternoon from London. I believe three pm the main car

1407
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 2: so should be fun.

1408
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: I like this.

1409
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 2: I like this schedule. Let's keep that up. Look elitem

1410
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: at World Class MMA also going down tonight on Showtime.

1411
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: Speaking of thirty day free trials, at showtime dot Com.

1412
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: It's Belcher two eighty three from Tacoma, Washington, and we've

1413
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 2: got a new sort of last ish minute main event

1414
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 2: when the Colemane got bumped up from three rounds to

1415
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: five rounds with Patricky Freeir, the damn Pitbull himself, the

1416
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: lightweight champion pulling out. So look your new main event

1417
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: Douglas Lima Jason Jackson. We established that on Wednesday show.

1418
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 2: But what happened on Thursday when you and I were

1419
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: handling way in show duties for CBS Sports HQ for

1420
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: Bellatour Douglas Lima coming in at one hundred seventy one

1421
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: point eight I'm sorry, one hundred and seventy two point

1422
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: eight pounds. Yeah, for this one to seventy fight, non

1423
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: title fight, there would have been that one pound you know,

1424
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: buffer for him, but he didn't even go to the

1425
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: scale a second time. You and I sort of debated

1426
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: on HQ whether that's a monster warning sign although he

1427
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: looked in great shape on the scaler, or whether his

1428
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: words of saying, years of trying to make welterweight, you know,

1429
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna catch up with me eventually. Maybe they might

1430
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: have How does that change things, though. Jason Jackson five

1431
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: fight win streak on the verge of a welterweight title

1432
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: shot a minus one ninety favorite lima three fight losing

1433
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 2: skid plus one sixty. We already thought maybe damaged goods

1434
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 2: or not damage. But look, age thirty four, he's been

1435
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 2: through the WARS, three time champion. What does this weight

1436
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 2: cut do to your expectations? Tonight nine pm Eastern on

1437
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: Showtime when belt or two eighty three goes.

1438
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: Down, I think it might be ten pm. Unfortunately a

1439
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: bit of a late start, but I is it really?

1440
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's seven pm. Is the prelimb? Well,

1441
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 2: maybe it's ten? Okay? You know, there you go, Luke.

1442
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a late start. It's a late start. Are

1443
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: you doing the post fight hit on HQ?

1444
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: I am, are you.

1445
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: No, I'm doing the pre fight. I'm doing the one

1446
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: at nine, so have fun.

1447
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's the one I'm doing too. I

1448
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 2: don't know, Luke. Maybe I agreed to both. You know,

1449
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: it's very possible.

1450
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I only agree to the

1451
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: one at nine. But in any case, are you double

1452
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: checking on your phone right now?

1453
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm doing the post and the pre I thought

1454
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: that was the same offer. Apparently there's two separate hits. Luke,

1455
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: all right, that's fine, Yeah, hey catch me on HQ.

1456
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's what I would say, Dude, I just

1457
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: don't like all of the signs here. I really, really,

1458
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: really really don't. You know, you can wearride off the

1459
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: musac list though, excuse me, the Musase loss as listless.

1460
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: You know, he kind of came on a little bit

1461
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: and too little, too late, but it was a little

1462
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: bit there, and then against Amasov he just didn't have it.

1463
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: Amasov as a beast, okay, fair enough, but then against MVP,

1464
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: and MVP is much improved, but he just didn't have

1465
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: it there really either. And I was like, man, this

1466
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: is not a great like he's just not It's not

1467
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: just that he lost it like these rock'm soakam affairs.

1468
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: He just looked kind of lifeless the whole time. And

1469
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: then you go into this one missing weight and I

1470
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: take your point seriously, which is, well, you know, he's

1471
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: been having trouble making weight recently, Like if you go

1472
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: remember BC, we actually covered the weigh ins when he

1473
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: fought MVP for the second time, and we were talking

1474
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: about dude, he looked bad even though he made the

1475
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: waight Like how sucked out and you know, just kind

1476
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: of drained he looked the whole time. So fair enough

1477
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: at age thirty four, maybe a move to middlewaight is

1478
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: the right move here. I guess we'll have to see.

1479
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: But dude, the reality for me is the three losses

1480
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: are not accidental. The way in which he lost them,

1481
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: Even if he showed a little bit of spark late,

1482
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: it was always too little, too late then to go

1483
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: into this one and to miss weight by you know,

1484
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy who was a multiple time

1485
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: champion missing by nearly two pounds three if it was

1486
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: a championship level fight, Like, dude, that's a big, big miss.

1487
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: And even if you want to say, well, okay, he

1488
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: didn't try it and by the way, didn't even try

1489
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: on a second attempt to lose more weight, was like,

1490
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: fuck that this is the limit, dude, Like, he looked

1491
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: bad even then, so he's going to have this psychological

1492
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: component that he couldn't make weight, and then on top

1493
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: of that there's a physical component, Like, dude, he didn't

1494
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: look good at all, even not even making it, like

1495
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: not even putting himself to that ultimate weight cutting limit.

1496
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 1: Jason Jackson is on a hot streak. If he needs

1497
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: to strike, he's a good striker. If he needs to

1498
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 1: wrestle against an opponent who's too good of a striker,

1499
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: he can do that. He can play the levels. And

1500
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: again we go back to like the Patty versus Levitt fight,

1501
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: there's a thin line between not enough intensity and too much,

1502
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: and you can you know, fighters get it wrong all

1503
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: the time. But it's not just this momentum. It's a

1504
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: certain amount of fire that Jason Jackson has that I've

1505
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: just not seen from Douglas Limar. If you wanted to

1506
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: ask me, is Douglas Lima's high point better than anything

1507
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: we've seen from Jason Jackson's high point to this to

1508
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: this day, Yes, yes it is. His high point is higher.

1509
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 1: But that's not what we're adjudicating here. We're getting just

1510
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: what version of Douglas Lima exists today versus this version

1511
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: of Jason Jackson. And I just don't like the signs

1512
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 1: at all. I think Jason Jackson's gonna win it. How comfortably?

1513
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, because to your point, BC, it's not

1514
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: like Lima got blown out or in the words of

1515
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: Emmitt Smith, blowed out. It's not like he got blowed out,

1516
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: all right, he didn't, but he was just kind of

1517
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: doing enough to hang around. Jason Jackson. If that's the

1518
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: Lima that shows up, is going to feast on that.

1519
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So lifeless for the most part against Musas for

1520
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: the first loss of this wind streak, but it was

1521
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 2: for the middleweight title. He did try to step it

1522
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 2: up at the end. It didn't work out for him,

1523
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 2: but he said, okay, I get it. But the lifeless

1524
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 2: against Amasov, even with the new champion just being a

1525
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 2: hell of a motor and wrestler, and just the aggression

1526
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 2: that he shows, that was the warning sign. So I

1527
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 2: had some level of optimism coming into this fight because

1528
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 2: of what Lima showed, at least in the third of

1529
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: the three fight losing skit against MVP, and look at

1530
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: we've talked about it. The wrestling that he showed, the

1531
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: sort of efficient mindset of saying, Okay, this might be

1532
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 2: my only way to neutralize this guy. You know, he

1533
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: almost had a case for winning that fight, and it

1534
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: was at least like urgency. I guess it's the best

1535
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: thing I could take out of it. But You're right,

1536
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 2: I don't really know what to do with him missing

1537
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: weight like this because he's been so consistent, that's been

1538
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: his key. I mean, look, he thought it. He fought

1539
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 2: Spartan Kureshkov three freaking times, Roy MacDonald two times. I

1540
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 2: mean he's been in some you know, epic big fights. Yeah,

1541
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: he's been cutting down to welterweight since twenty ten on

1542
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: a full time basis. So in those twelve years, I mean,

1543
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 2: do people grow out of that, yes, But for this fight,

1544
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 2: in this moment, it's like, you know, I could also

1545
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: come up with that conspiracy theory that he's doing the

1546
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: old veteran move of Okay, I'll pay the tax, but

1547
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: I'll have the physical advantage of not cutting down. I

1548
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: don't even think that's his m O luke and that

1549
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: it's his style. So all things considered, that's enough of

1550
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 2: doubt on the LEMA side, where Yeah, I love Jason

1551
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 2: Jackson too in this fight, and I think that the

1552
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: in the in the at the end of the day,

1553
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: his ability to stay off the mat will certainly be key.

1554
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: But just the the the aggression, the action that the

1555
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: ass kicking machine brings to this fight. If we get

1556
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: a Lima who is not as dialed in, who isn't

1557
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: establishing those hard outside leg strikes and really looking to

1558
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: control the fight from distance and coming and out with

1559
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 2: pockets of action. You're right, Luke, I may be asking

1560
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 2: for somebody to come through that door that just isn't there.

1561
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: This could be a Tyron Wooley situation where it was

1562
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,839
Speaker 2: you know, it was quick when it happened, but it happened,

1563
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: and there's a little bit of failure to launch here

1564
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 2: and pull the trigger. There's also a little bit of it.

1565
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 2: It just might be passed him. Go Jayson Jackson, who

1566
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: I always argue that one loss he's had in Belator

1567
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 2: to ed Ruth by split decision, he scored multiple knockdowns.

1568
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: I thought he did the totality of the best work

1569
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 2: in that fight. He could very easily be undefeated here.

1570
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: He's never been spectacular, he's never been without flaws, but

1571
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: he consistently wins against the you know, the Paul Daies

1572
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: de Benson Henderson's that you know, that level of matchmaking

1573
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 2: as Neemon Gracie, which was a big one to get

1574
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: to this point. I like Jason Jackson's chances. It should

1575
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 2: be an interesting fight with more questions surrounding Douglas Lima.

1576
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: And by the way, one thing is, you know Jason

1577
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: Jackson did They just showed a picture of something that

1578
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: kind of reminded me do Jason Jackson has good takedowns,

1579
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 1: and Douglas Lima will just accommodate you guys, or commodate

1580
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: his opponents from guard, you know what I mean. He

1581
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: won't even like sometimes he fights to get up. Obviously

1582
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: it's not entirely true, but there's a lot of times

1583
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: he'll spend in a round just fighting off guard. It's like, dude,

1584
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: he'll just give away the last three fights, He'll just

1585
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: give away rounds. It's like, dude, it's just a real

1586
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 1: bad sign.

1587
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Although to be fair, you know when he lost

1588
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: that first fight to Rory in that fifth round, when

1589
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: he was on his back the whole time, there was

1590
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of that back then as well, although

1591
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 2: I think we just looked at it as maybe he

1592
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 2: fatigued with Rory, you know, coming on, and obviously he

1593
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: reversed course in the and then won the rematch, although

1594
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: it was a kind of a brutal fight to watch.

1595
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: But we'll see, Luke, we didn't set it properly for

1596
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 2: this comin event in terms of what's going on here. Yes,

1597
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 2: Sydney out Law on a big spot right here, but

1598
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: it was originally supposed to be Sidney out Law fighting

1599
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: for the title against Patricky Pitpoll. Pitpole pulled out so

1600
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: one Tofique Musayev, who was already on the card, was

1601
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: supposed to fight Adam Piccoliddy. He steps up now. No

1602
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: pick a lot, pick a less lot, more whatever you got, Luke.

1603
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 2: But here's the deal about Mussaiev. Luke. Is he beat

1604
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 2: Patricky Pitbull and Risen just a couple fights back. And

1605
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 2: even though Musaiev enters his Bellatour debut here fresh off

1606
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 2: a loss in his most recent fight under the Rise Risen,

1607
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: a rise in Luke, I want to get this.

1608
01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: Right for once. Uh I think it's rising, but I don't.

1609
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but you know the point is coming

1610
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 2: in Moosaiev can fight Luke. He beat Patricky for the

1611
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 2: in the Risen Rising Lightweight Grand Prix, beat Johnny Case,

1612
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 2: beat Darren kruck Shank. I mean he's beat some guys

1613
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: that we know. He'll also be a minus one forty

1614
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: favorite against the plus one twenty Sydney out Law and Luke.

1615
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: You may remember three fights ago Sidney Outlaw did get

1616
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: a one day pass to the Land of winning Ghosts,

1617
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: you would say against Michael Chandler, but his one two

1618
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 2: cents then and really seems to be putting it together

1619
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: and coming on. Look, this is this a good ass

1620
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 2: fight on paper here without law plus one twenty. This

1621
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 2: could go either way, and you gotta believe the winner

1622
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:40,759
Speaker 2: is gonna get the next chance at Patricky.

1623
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this dude Tofique Massaiev is funny. He's got a

1624
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: loss by the way via triangle choke to It was

1625
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: the first loss he ever had to Muhammad or Muhammed Berkhamov,

1626
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: who was also on this card but now fighting at

1627
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: one seventy. And he's got a law to in his

1628
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:06,480
Speaker 1: last fight to Roberto Desuza, which was something of a

1629
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: not unexpected but some fairly surprising. I would argue somewhat

1630
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: surprising is maybe the better way to put it. So

1631
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: there are some there. He's got a couple of triangle losses,

1632
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: actually I think three triangle losses of the four, but

1633
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: he's got a huge winning streak. To your point, he

1634
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: beat Patricky Pipple in Rizin and Johnny Case ufc VET

1635
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: and Damian Brown ufc VET and Darren Kruckshank ufc VET. Like,

1636
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: this dude is a hammer, so he's a little bit

1637
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: over zealous when he takes guys down from guard against

1638
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: people who are good submission threats. I don't know if

1639
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: Sidley Outlaw is that guy, to be candid with you,

1640
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to see. But Tafique Musayev another

1641
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: one of these guys BC. Now he's from Azerbaijan, which

1642
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: is not Russia. But of course you know this sort

1643
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: of former Soviet state back of hammers that you talk about,

1644
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: you better add this motherfucker to the list due this

1645
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: guy is good and I think he's probably gonna win,

1646
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: to be honest with.

1647
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 2: You, Wow, okay, Luke, oh Sydney Outlaw seems ready. But

1648
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 2: this is a a uh. I mean, this could end

1649
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: up being a tougher match up than Patricky considering this

1650
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 2: is this guy was you know, the last guy to

1651
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 2: beat him there, So this should be a very good fight.

1652
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: And we're gonna see right now whether Outlaw really is

1653
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 2: the you know of this silk in the class of

1654
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 2: this division or is it another hammer sliding into Bellatour

1655
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 2: for Scott Cocher and Company and scooping up more of

1656
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: these titles. Luke, He'll take one massive step closer in

1657
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 2: a fight here, you know, rising from the Piccoliddy Lotti level,

1658
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 2: Luke Hobby lobby level, and now on the very big level.

1659
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 2: This should be a heck of a couple fight run

1660
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 2: for Tofique Musayev. If he can arrive in Bellator, beat

1661
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: Sydney out Law and then fight Patricky in a rematch

1662
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 2: for the damn title. Luke something to watch, Luke, something

1663
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: like a phenomenon.

1664
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: Maybe the good news for Sydney Outlaws. He's he did

1665
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: he pick a Lotti as a wrestler grappler type, and

1666
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: so he's going from one of those two basically another type.

1667
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: So that works out well in the sense like he

1668
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: didn't go from you know, poor poor Jack Romanson was

1669
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 1: gonna face Darren Till and now he's gonna fight Chris Curtis,

1670
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 1: which is I guess, well, you know, actually it's not

1671
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: the best comparison. There's pretty similar in certain kinds of

1672
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: sort of broad stroke ways. But the point I'm trying

1673
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: to make here is he didn't go from a guy

1674
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: who was like, Oh, I'm preparing for a wrestler and

1675
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: then you get a strike or vice versa. You got

1676
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: a guy who, at least again in broad strokes, is

1677
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: fairly similar to what he was expecting. So that should

1678
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: help Sidney Outlaw. But dude, Tafita Masaye have has just

1679
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: a fucking crazy intensity and it's a tough fight for

1680
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: Sidney Outlaw, a very tough fight.

1681
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 2: Does that Asian crazy intensity? Or you know the line

1682
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: between Eastern Europe and Asia, Luke? And does that include Armenians?

1683
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: Are they involved in that overall?

1684
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: In Armenians and Azerbaijani's are historical. You know, the countries

1685
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: have fought wars before, but they're all part of the

1686
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: former Soviet satellite states. Yeah, I mean, they're very different

1687
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: kinds of it.

1688
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: I like the dichotomy of your background, Luke. You know

1689
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 2: what I mean? You have, you know, not just being

1690
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 2: born in New Delhi, but you've got you know, your

1691
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 2: Armenian side offsetting against what's your dad again English, that

1692
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 2: old bastard, Luke.

1693
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: He's American. I will tell you this. My best friend

1694
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: in the world is Iranian, but his dad actually is

1695
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: so so Azerbaijean has a lot of different kinds of

1696
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: people in it, and there is a major Persian influence

1697
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: in Azerbaijean as well. So he his his dad is

1698
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: from Azerbaijean but then moved to Iran as a kid.

1699
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,839
Speaker 1: But he speaks like Turkish and all kinds of different stuff.

1700
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: But like you know, and whatnot. So like there's like

1701
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: all of those all of those parts of the world

1702
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: meld in interesting ways in some of those former satellite

1703
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: states of the Soviet Union, and Ozerbaijean being a big one.

1704
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: There's we always talk about like all the Russian hammers,

1705
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: but do the Kazakh hammers, the Azerbaijani hammers, the Armenian hammers.

1706
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: They're on their way to Luke.

1707
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 2: A lot to talk about those Lithuanian hammers too. Okay,

1708
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Factory town mind Daniosis, right, Staniosis, Yeah,

1709
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: former Russian Uh yeah yeah, now just in a hurry

1710
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 2: in general, all right, Luke, there you go. Uh interesting,

1711
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: how quickly you shot down though? Your dad? Oh he's American? Yeah,

1712
01:20:58,320 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: what tribe Luke is he Cherokee?

1713
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: He grew up in Oklahoma. He grew up in Oklahoma.

1714
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 2: Oh, So is he native American, Luke, No, he's yeah,

1715
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 2: he's like the European U. Yeah, he's like part part

1716
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 2: uh Yeah, there you go, part UK. Look how about that? Okay,

1717
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 2: there you go, Luke, Usman, Normaga Metov. We're ready to

1718
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: crown him as the next the King, the king of

1719
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: all things, Luke. He's gonna be in a another step

1720
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: up opportunity here, but he'd be a minus eight hundred

1721
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 2: favorite against Chris Gonzalez whether or not he ends up

1722
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 2: wearing the light the lightweight belator title. Luke, it's another

1723
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 2: step in getting us there. Chris Gonzalez is fresh off

1724
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 2: a first round knockout of Sad Awad. So you know,

1725
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 2: it's a fairly strong name in terms of establishing yourself

1726
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 2: and being ready for this type of matchmaking. But is

1727
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 2: it not going to matter in the end, Luke, because

1728
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 2: Usman nor Maaga Medof can do it all. And you know, look,

1729
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 2: I want to make you aware. I know you don't

1730
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 2: listen to the peanut gallery or the chirp of the

1731
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 2: of the crowd, of the of the universe, if you will,

1732
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: they think we are overrating the shit out of this guy.

1733
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 2: And Luke, as as Floyd would say that the proof

1734
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 2: is in the putting, and he's going about to be

1735
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: putting it on Chris Gonzalez. Come come tonight, Luke. You

1736
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: gotta believe that.

1737
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: So what is their argument about how good he is?

1738
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: How good do they think he is?

1739
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 2: They think he's been fighting powdered donuts and Belatore and

1740
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 2: you know, you know that typical responsive because you didn't

1741
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 2: do it in the UFC. You didn't do anything, you

1742
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like that kind of thing.

1743
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: It's not an altogether unfair criticism. He has not been

1744
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: facing the toughest opposition to this point. That is actually

1745
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. The problem is not so much

1746
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: that the problem is h you know, the skills he

1747
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: shows as he just dispatches with these guys, he is

1748
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: far better than are high now. Chris Gonzalez is a

1749
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: Let me be very clear about this. Chris Gonzalez is

1750
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: easily easily the toughest opponent Usbinerberga Madov has fought in

1751
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: Belatore to this point. He is a team alfha Mel guy.

1752
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: He has a wrestling background himself. We saw him at

1753
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: the Way Inns yesterday. That dude is a fucking brick shitouse.

1754
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 1: He is a real athlete, he's got a real background

1755
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: or real team. This is a tough test for usbin

1756
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: nerberga madeof I just feel like you can look at

1757
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: his record and say, well, he's beaten a lot of

1758
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: guys he should have beaten. Okay, fair enough, But the

1759
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: way in which he beats them, to me, evidence is

1760
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: high level ability and high level decision making. We won't

1761
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: really fully know that right until we see him beat

1762
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: the Chris Gonzalezes and then on up the ladder from there.

1763
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: But I think if your argument is, oh, well, he's

1764
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 1: only beaten guys who aren't very good, it's not an

1765
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: altogether unfair argument, but it's not the complete argument either.

1766
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: There is more to the story than just that, And

1767
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: when you look at the total picture, BC, I think

1768
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 1: you would agree. From what I've seen, he looks to

1769
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 1: me like, I'm not exactly sure who in that division

1770
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: will beat him.

1771
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he ain't a babe, he ain't to

1772
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 2: beat Luke, but he's something pretty damn special. Let's give

1773
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 2: him a chance to figure that out. Well. Rounded has

1774
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: some spectacular sides to him, obviously fantastic on the ground,

1775
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 2: but he could submit people too. Luke, you know he's

1776
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: not gonna run through perfection here, but uh, I do

1777
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 2: expect and the odds will tell you another big win,

1778
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 2: another big sort of how soon? How soon before we

1779
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 2: fit this guy.

1780
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: For for a time, as the Smith's would say, how

1781
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: soon is now?

1782
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 2: Know?

1783
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1784
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 2: I mean, well, look well the winner of Outlaw and

1785
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 2: the other fellow Tofiqa musay f Luke, you know gonna

1786
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 2: probably jump right in there against patriarchy. Could could this

1787
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: be enough? Or you got to get usman this win

1788
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 2: and one more on that level, right, Luke, you got

1789
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 2: to get a couple more, right? Two more?

1790
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes, but this is the right next step. They

1791
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: want to see what they had with him, and they've

1792
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: got a lot. Gonzales does have the loss to go

1793
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: Chimuchi and he got kind of outstruck on the feet

1794
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: and you might be like, oh, well, Norma is just

1795
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 1: gonna take him down. But this version of nimer goa

1796
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: Madov can strike his ass off on the feet too,

1797
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: So it's a it's an interesting fight. We will see

1798
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: Chris Gonzales can win this one. Dude, I want to

1799
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,839
Speaker 1: be very clear. He's a good fighter, a very good fighter.

1800
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 1: I just feel like Usbin nim Goa Madov is destined

1801
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: for Bella toor belts. But if he loses, I will

1802
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: come up here and here on Monday and eat a

1803
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: pile of shit. So I'm ready.

1804
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 2: I'll be serving that to you, Louke quickly. Uh sorry,

1805
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 2: I'll jump right to it. I got my eyes on

1806
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 2: Daviyon Franklin, who's five and zer under the Belltour banner,

1807
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 2: a ranked heavyweight. Now he'll be a minus two forty

1808
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: favorite against Marcelo Golm plus two hundred. Uh are you

1809
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: a believer of what Davion Franklin's doing as being a

1810
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 2: potential sort of you know, a couple more wins away,

1811
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 2: Let's see what he's got. He's climbing the heavyweight ladder

1812
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 2: at the moment, Luke. Whether that's a deep climb or not,

1813
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, giving Bellatour's roster, but he's winning the fights.

1814
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 2: He has to win the sadowad sorry not said Somo

1815
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 2: win last time out. The split decision sort of showed

1816
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 2: you that he can do a little bit more than

1817
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 2: maybe a thought. Let's see what he does here against Golm.

1818
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 2: What are your expectations?

1819
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? To me, it's not a significantly more difficult fight

1820
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: than the sayed Zoma fight. So to me, it's like

1821
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: they gave him another difficult fight relative to what we

1822
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 1: have seen. Remember, there's only five fights in. This is

1823
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: a sixth fucking fight. Like, how good is he supposed

1824
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 1: to be? Let's let's slow the roll here a little bit.

1825
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:11,759
Speaker 1: But I'm with you. I think he has shown good athleticism, obviously,

1826
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: big power. He has shown pretty good decision making. I

1827
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have to see against a guy like

1828
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: Golden who's got literally twice as much experience as experiences him,

1829
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: how that looks a little bit later, because sometimes he

1830
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: can be a little bit too aggressive. I think you

1831
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: might agree with that, and it's called not cost him.

1832
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: Obviously he's undefeated, but you know, you could see how

1833
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: someone else might take advantage of that. I don't think

1834
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: Marcello Golm is that guy, but he could be. So

1835
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: this is an interesting test to me. The only thing

1836
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: I would say is a guy Likenmbera made off. You're like, oh, well,

1837
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: he's only beat these so and so guys, but he's

1838
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: got fourteen pro fights. Again, Davion Franklin five fights, Yeah,

1839
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 1: five fights, so let's see what happens. The one that

1840
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 1: you haven't talked about is the Romero Cotton Dalton Rossa fight,

1841
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: and now that one is you know, I mean two

1842
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: fucking absolute beasts going out his young and undefeated both

1843
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,959
Speaker 1: six and zero. Someone oh has got to go BC.

1844
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 2: Indeed Lorenz Lark and also a plus one thirty underdog

1845
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,759
Speaker 2: against the fore mentioned Muhammed Berkhamov Luke, so that should

1846
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: be interesting. As we mentioned, Roman Ferraldo on the undercard

1847
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 2: is making big time highlight reel wins. He'll be a

1848
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 2: minus one fifty favorite here against Luis Iniguez. So yes, yes,

1849
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 2: so don't be.

1850
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: The brock Lesnar being like I'm going to enjoy this

1851
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: fight with Kan with with Cain the last class by

1852
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: drinking a corona and eating a burrito, I was like, Wow,

1853
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,759
Speaker 1: that's that's both racist and stupid.

1854
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 2: Uh wow, Okay, Luke free Kine.

1855
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: Indeed, Luke, you skipped you skipped the Gatzi Robodanov. Dude.

1856
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: Remember he beat another top prospect in JJ Wilson who's

1857
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: out of New Zealand and made it look relatively easy.

1858
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: Another hammer that Belatore, I'm telling you, dude, like people

1859
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: kind of sleeping on the main event because Dolm has

1860
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: kind of been like ho hum down. The list of

1861
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: this card are of interesting gems, guys who are on

1862
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: their way, slowly breaking out. This is an interesting prelims

1863
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 1: and main card for sure to watch.

1864
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Beltour two eighty three, seven pm is the

1865
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 2: preliminary card. You can catch that on YouTube. You can

1866
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: catch that on Pluto TV ten pm Eastern. The main

1867
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 2: card on showtime this evening, so don't miss it, Luke.

1868
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 2: Topic number three takes us to this just freakin' fantastic

1869
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 2: talk about a major pay per view. It goes down

1870
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,719
Speaker 2: October twenty second in Abu Dhabi. It's UFC two eighty.

1871
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 2: This thing has come together like very few cards in

1872
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 2: a while, Luke, I mean, god, they are giving this

1873
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 2: legitimate major feel we already know al Jamain Sterling versus TJ.

1874
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 2: Dillashaw for the bandamweight Bout title. Excuse me in the

1875
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 2: co main event, Charles olivera in Islam Mahachev for the

1876
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 2: vacant lightweight title. In the main event, we already knew

1877
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 2: billah Muhammad and Sean Brady at welterweight. How about this though, Luke,

1878
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 2: we could do these one by one as a whole,

1879
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 2: but here's the hole and you can tell me your reaction.

1880
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 2: Sean O'Malley versus Peter Yawn at bantamweight, but Neil Derry

1881
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 2: us versus Mattea's Gamra at lightweight, Marina Hadrigez versus Amanda

1882
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 2: Lemos at women's strawweight. That's six fan friggtastic fights, Luke Thomas.

1883
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: That is I mean just a plus quality, just a plus. Well,

1884
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see main cards look like that very

1885
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: often anywhere.

1886
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: That's like UFC two seventeen and two o five level correct,

1887
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 2: except for the star overall, like through the roof star power, right.

1888
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: So this is worth noting. Now. You could say Sean

1889
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 1: Omalley is very popular, and he is, but he was

1890
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: on the UFC two seventy six card, and of course

1891
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 1: he wasn't in a headlining role. But that card, you know,

1892
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: was I think to some people's estimation it sold well,

1893
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 1: but it didn't sell like it was, you know, none

1894
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: out to expectations like oh, seventy one hundred k No

1895
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: one on that card, And I think this is a

1896
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: fair time me If you disagree, no No One on

1897
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: that card is a major, proven pay per view draw.

1898
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: Now you could maybe argue a little bit for Oliver Era,

1899
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: but that's not entirely true. Not like there's a there's

1900
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 1: not a full like battery of pay per views. He's

1901
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: headlined to give us a full indication of that. Certainly

1902
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: not the case with Makachev obviously. In the Comaine Sterling

1903
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,719
Speaker 1: is you know, a very amazing champion, but it hasn't

1904
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 1: proven to be a pay per view draw. T J.

1905
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: Delashaw kind of interesting, but he's never on his own

1906
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 1: sold above I think five hundred or so. So the

1907
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: porms that I make here is there's a lot of

1908
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,879
Speaker 1: there's a just an an overwhelming amount of fight quality

1909
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: and relevance and steaks. But part of the reason they're

1910
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: kind of all grouped together, I think, is that you

1911
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: need all of them to do a decent to good

1912
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 1: by rate individually. There's not a huge paper view draw

1913
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: to the point of and two of five, by the way,

1914
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 1: I had I think three title fights. This just has two.

1915
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: But but that aside, it will do well on pay

1916
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: per view, We'll do pretty well. The quality, the quality

1917
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 1: is extra ordinary. I can't say on that level one

1918
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 1: single critical thing about it.

1919
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 2: I believe there's a press conference for that card actually

1920
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 2: going on right now, Luke from the UFC. But let's

1921
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 2: let's stay right here. I got a couple of key

1922
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 2: questions about this card. I mean, like, yeah, it's freaking

1923
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 2: fantastic aligned in some of these key pay per view

1924
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: card bouts our same divisions as the title opportunities in

1925
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 2: the main or the coal Mane. So, Luke, if something

1926
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: happened either Charlie Olives or Islam Mahachev during fight week

1927
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 2: for the lightweight title, would you see somebody from the

1928
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 2: darry usch camera fight get bumped up? And who would

1929
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 2: be more likely?

1930
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 1: Well, Daru should be more deserving, right, He's done more

1931
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: at the higher end of this division. I think I

1932
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: think that feels right.

1933
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 2: Or maybe Michael Chandler is going to show up again

1934
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 2: and cut way again.

1935
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 1: You never know, Luke, you know, right, So if I'm

1936
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: the UFC, I'm not counting on like just robbing Peter

1937
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 1: to pay Paul from the same card. I would actually

1938
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: bring in somebody else if at all possible. And Chaer

1939
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: is a name you could bring And I was gonna ask.

1940
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 2: You the same question about Sterling and Dila Shaw fighting

1941
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,440
Speaker 2: for the Bandamway title. Damn you got Yan and O'Malley

1942
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 2: going against each other on the same card. Who would

1943
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 2: get the nod between those two?

1944
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: Well? See, here's the thing. You would say Yan because

1945
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 1: he's the number one rank contender, but he just okay,

1946
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 1: so well, okay, let me ask you this. If it's

1947
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 1: if it's Dilla Shaw that falls out and so Sterling

1948
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,879
Speaker 1: is the one who needs a title opponent, it probably

1949
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 1: would be I can't believe I'm fucking saying this. Well,

1950
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: what do you think they would do? Would they give

1951
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: a title shot to Sean O'Malley? Like yes, they was saying.

1952
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: The one thing they have a proven history of is

1953
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 2: fast tracking superstars into title I mean, look, they fast

1954
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 2: trackeding Ghano into Stepe so quick. They fast tracked Os

1955
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 2: Deemir into DC because there was nobody else. I mean,

1956
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 2: they'll do that, Luke when there's a spark and they

1957
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 2: need it. Yeah, you're damn right they're gonna do that. Okay,

1958
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 2: no disrespect to piotor Yan. I don't think we're itching

1959
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 2: to see that trilogy about right now at this moment.

1960
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 2: He just lost soundly.

1961
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. Right. I mean, he's the higher ranked

1962
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 1: guy by a million miles. But you're right. So, but

1963
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 1: if that's here, But here's the thing. What if Sterling

1964
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 1: falls out and now they got to make an interim

1965
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,560
Speaker 1: Do you do Yan versus Dila Shaw? Or do you

1966
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: do O'Malley versus Dila Shaw's.

1967
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 2: That's why they get paid the big bucks to sit

1968
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 2: in that war room and make those decisions. Luke, it's

1969
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 2: pretty interesting. I mean because think about it. If you

1970
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 2: look last minute threw O'Malley in there, you'd have to

1971
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 2: think the buys rise, right, like, because he's got his

1972
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 2: own fan base, they're already going to be buying this

1973
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 2: pay per view. But it does sort of. He is

1974
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 2: the crossover potential guy of the moment, right, I mean, now,

1975
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 2: you're fine always in a title shot, dude, I gotta

1976
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 2: buy that. Yeah, I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying.

1977
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,839
Speaker 2: Look that that that's that's interesting. On the same topic

1978
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 2: we said, we both agree. I mean, it's obvious how

1979
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 2: loaded this is. Maybe this is the beginning of an

1980
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 2: annual loaded October fight card, not really the beginning, because

1981
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 2: we've seen a be there in the past. We've seen

1982
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 2: you know we've seen Fight I is Land and be

1983
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 2: An Island of Savior during the COVID run. Why is

1984
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 2: this so stacked right now, Luke? Why is that specifically

1985
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 2: filled out this deep? Is it just to offset the

1986
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 2: lack of star power in the main event? So is

1987
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 2: it deeper in terms of relationships and money?

1988
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,799
Speaker 1: And I suspect that they want to bring a quality

1989
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 1: card to Abu Dhabi, right because they have a formal relationship,

1990
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 1: it seems, with the folks over there, so that's partly it. Right,

1991
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 1: they want to do some good there, and remember they

1992
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: brought Habib in the past, and they brought big fights there.

1993
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: They don't have anyone of Habib's level, but they've got

1994
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,560
Speaker 1: Makachev and they've got some other things that could be

1995
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: interesting to that market. So yes, I do absolutely think

1996
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,679
Speaker 1: that bringing a spectacular car to the Anti Hot Arena

1997
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 1: is important for them, and that counts again. I go

1998
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 1: back to the fact that you've got a lot of

1999
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 1: interesting components here by themselves not huge draws, but collectively

2000
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 1: together could probably do a lot bit of a super

2001
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: team thing. And that's it too. Also, Nate Diaz is

2002
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 1: fighting at UFC two seventy nine. It wouldn't make sense

2003
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: to put like Diaz. Dude, Diaz in Makachev could fight

2004
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: at the Apex with no crowd and there's no other

2005
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: fights on the car. Like literally, you just paid for

2006
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: Daz and Makachev and it would sell an absolute ship ton.

2007
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: So are sorry, Daz and Tremiah? I'm sorry, So it

2008
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: would sell an absolute ship ton. So they're trying, I think,

2009
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: to balance the schedule as best they can with the

2010
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: competing interests that are involved. Dude, I think we're kind

2011
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 1: of bearing the conversation here a little bit. Let's go

2012
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: talk about Sean O'Malley for a second. Dude. You've got

2013
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley, who had at best, what would you call

2014
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: the fight against Muno's inconclusive. I think it's a good

2015
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 1: way to put it, inconclusive. And he goes from that

2016
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: being ranked thirteen to taking on the number one contender,

2017
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: the former champion. So in back to back days they

2018
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: had I think Tremiah was like the number two guy

2019
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,879
Speaker 1: at Walter Waite something like that, taking on unranked Nate Diaz,

2020
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: a fight that by itself doesn't make sense for those reasons.

2021
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,759
Speaker 1: Then the next day they put but number one against

2022
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: number thirteen BC. I could have sworn we have heard

2023
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: that all of these fights are made because so and

2024
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: so was ranked fourth and fifth or sixth and seventh,

2025
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: and we just have to put them in these kinds

2026
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 1: of ways. They totally abandoned any pretense of that do

2027
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: you like that they did it? Not that do you

2028
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 1: like to fight? The fight's kind of interesting for all

2029
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: those reasons, but that this whole like, fuck it. Rankings

2030
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: don't matter right now. We're just gonna make these fights

2031
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: eat shit.

2032
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't just like it. I love it, and

2033
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 2: it goes against some of the creed of the things

2034
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 2: you see me arguing for. But again, let's not act

2035
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 2: like it's not true. If you're the best looking chick

2036
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 2: at the dance, the UFC's gonna, you know, allow you

2037
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 2: to cut the line. And it's it's been proven and

2038
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 2: it's happened. I mean everybody, you know, every like even

2039
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 2: Ronda Rossi got to walk in the door and fight

2040
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 2: for a title on day one. But you know, rock Lesler, oh,

2041
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 2: let's let's rush a minute. It's just what happens. It's

2042
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 2: weird that they're kind of just giving him the win

2043
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 2: against Munno's basically and just moving him along. But Luke,

2044
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 2: it was also weird to see him in three straight

2045
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 2: fights against not the typical level of competition that you

2046
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 2: would expect or want for somebody who just who not

2047
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 2: too long ago, missed two years because of USADA, which

2048
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 2: kind of slowed down his growth. And you know, right now,

2049
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 2: star wise he's ready to fight for a title, ability

2050
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 2: wise inconclusive. Yet the flashes are brilliant, and we get

2051
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 2: a chance to find out right frickin' now who he

2052
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 2: is against somebody like Piotr Yon level already, you know,

2053
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 2: as just another nugget in this loaded ass card. I'd

2054
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 2: be a fool to complain, Luke. Yeah, I mean, did

2055
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,759
Speaker 2: he get the money he was looking for by fighting

2056
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 2: that battle? Luke? Of all take on, let's ranked, you know,

2057
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 2: I mean did it seems to have worked out for him?

2058
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 2: It seems the companies all in. I don't know the

2059
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 2: financial details.

2060
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: But make after hearing what I got a pretty good

2061
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 1: sense of what Max Holloway makes gaming. I have a

2062
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: feeling that Sean O'Malley makes a fucking metric ton Yeah,

2063
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 1: doing that kind of thing, and I think that's probably

2064
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: where he makes the majority of his money.

2065
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but I have to believe that

2066
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 2: his whole public of I might be a free agent,

2067
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm just fighting, you know, until you pay me to

2068
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 2: fight a top ten guy that season that's now over.

2069
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,600
Speaker 2: I have to believe that helped him Luke get this

2070
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 2: type opportunity. Obviously, at the end of the day, he's

2071
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 2: got to be the one that says, yes, I'll fight

2072
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 2: you on right now, I'm ready, And I give him

2073
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,560
Speaker 2: kudos to him for doing that and not feeling like

2074
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 2: he needed a slower, longer, you know build. I mean,

2075
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 2: he's been on a long build with the combination of

2076
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 2: the two years off and some of that match making

2077
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 2: of late which wasn't great but it is great now.

2078
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,480
Speaker 2: Munyos was a great matchup for him, and as inconclusive

2079
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 2: as it was, we're not gonna go out of our

2080
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 2: way to run that back. The time is now, Luke.

2081
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 2: If Yan's willing, and boy is he? I mean, are

2082
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 2: you more excited about this fight than any other on

2083
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 2: the card. It's kind of a weird trick question because

2084
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,799
Speaker 2: they're all flame throwers.

2085
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I gotta tell you. I'm like, I'm

2086
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: not gonna say I'm equally interested in all of them,

2087
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 1: but dude, I'm like majorly interested in all of them. Right,

2088
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 1: So let's go down the list who's gonna be the

2089
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,560
Speaker 1: lightweight champion? And you have Charles Lavera, who is the

2090
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 1: most I mean, what a phenomenal not turnaround to his career,

2091
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: but journey, I think is a good way. I hope

2092
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: to put it against this guy that is the presumed

2093
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: next to be. Whether that's fair or not, right, I'm

2094
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: not saying it's true, it's not, but there is this

2095
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: talk about him in that way, sort of like you know,

2096
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 1: Habib has kind of knighted him as the replacement, and

2097
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 1: he has done really great work in this division. Let's

2098
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 1: see what he can do. That's huge. Then you have

2099
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: the Bansomway Toutle fight. Do I even need to say,

2100
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 1: like it's the best division in MMA arguably with the

2101
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 1: existing champion who has proven douchebags like you and me wrong,

2102
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, getting that win in his last fighter against

2103
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 1: Yon against dillashawho hello, never had the bansomwaight belt taken

2104
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 1: from him except administratively. Then you have Sean Brady, who

2105
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: I think might be I mean, that guy's got title

2106
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 1: potential written fucking all over him. But this guy, Bala

2107
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 1: Mohammed has proven to be a genuine force at one

2108
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pounds. Whether you think his game is

2109
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 1: exciting or not is irrelevant. That fucker wins and is

2110
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: a very tough fight for anyone. And hello, by the way,

2111
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 1: Palcinian American. I think that audience over there is going

2112
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: to be, you know, boosting him up a little bit

2113
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,640
Speaker 1: as well, so that's kind of important. Then you've got

2114
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: dar Jusch taken on Gamrat. Dar Jusch by the way,

2115
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 1: super skilled but just willing to have all out action

2116
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 1: fights against a guy like Gamrock who has just an insane,

2117
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 1: insane gas tank plus next level kind of overall game.

2118
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: And then you go to Sean O'Malley, who is all

2119
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 1: the things about this you know, next level guy but

2120
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: has somewhat improven and the two times he's gone up

2121
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: in rank, it's been these weird kind of fights. Well,

2122
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 1: here he can jump all of that shit. I mean,

2123
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: nothing would be more. Nothing would validate Sean O'Malley more.

2124
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: Forget about the hype and the hair and all that shit.

2125
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 1: Nothing would validate him more than beating Yon, like the

2126
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 1: number one guy, the former You beat fucking Yon. That's

2127
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 1: about as credible a win as they get at bantamway.

2128
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: It's exactly what Sterling needed, by the way, to get

2129
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 1: some respect finally from everyone, media and fans alike. You

2130
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 1: put Sean O'Malley on that level. It's amazing. Conversely, if

2131
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,600
Speaker 1: Yon gets that win over oll Malley, he gets to

2132
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: get a huge popularity boost and then get right back

2133
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: to the swing of things against whoever's there. Dude, every

2134
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: fucking way you look at it, this card is just

2135
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 1: quality at every level, stakes, high levels, the very best

2136
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 1: Division four titles, four Contendership four legacy. It's huge. So

2137
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 1: which one do I like the best? For all different reasons?

2138
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 1: They're all great?

2139
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 2: Wow, there was some real passion in that LT.

2140
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 1: I love this card, bro, I love this card.

2141
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 2: I think I've come around to being most excited here

2142
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 2: about this O'Malley fight amid All diamonds right, all diamonds

2143
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 2: they are no pearls, Luke, Okay.

2144
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 1: Don't be RG three, no pressure, no diamonds.

2145
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was watching RG three highlights last night, Luke,

2146
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 2: while was sitting in the eighth row there on the

2147
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 2: and the old flight. Yeah, it was great. It was

2148
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 2: It's exciting, Luke. Okay, while listen to seventies records, you

2149
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

2150
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 1: Great, you were wait, you were watching RG three highlights

2151
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 1: from like what twenty twelve?

2152
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the Red Skin sorry, the red Skin sorry,

2153
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:56,839
Speaker 2: the Redskins.

2154
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah at the time, the Redskins. Yeah.

2155
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's get the show moving. Topic four

2156
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 2: takes us to this talk about a stacked card UFC

2157
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 2: two eighty. How about the potential for a stacked must

2158
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 2: see pay per view main event matchup in boxing that

2159
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 2: we thought Luke was gonna be really hard to make,

2160
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 2: so don't get too excited. It may still be. But

2161
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 2: what an interesting turn of events that may have opened

2162
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 2: up some doors here Floyd Mayweather, who of course is

2163
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 2: the promoter of Jervonte Davis Luke. Even though we spent

2164
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 2: last Jervonte fight against ROI talking about how he's gonna leave,

2165
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 2: he hasn't left. It seems business is a go under

2166
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 2: Mayweather Promotions. So Floyd was talking to fight Hype dot Com,

2167
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: which has long been his preferred media outlet, to say

2168
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 2: his piece.

2169
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, does he own them?

2170
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 1: Does he own a piece of them.

2171
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:44,280
Speaker 2: I do not have that information. Maybe or maybe he's

2172
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 2: just really good friends with Ben Thompson, who seems to

2173
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 2: be his go to guy there, but he's always gone

2174
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 2: to them first and gone on the record. So we

2175
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 2: know that Ryan Garcia is aggressively on social media trying

2176
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,719
Speaker 2: to lure Tank. We know Tank's shown some willingness. Floyd

2177
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 2: Mayweather told Fight Hype that absolutely he's willing to make

2178
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 2: that fight by the end of the year, but he

2179
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 2: has one major caveat Luke, and that would be he

2180
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 2: wants Ryan or saying Ryan Garcia needs to wait before

2181
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 2: he goes up to one forty and cut to one

2182
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 2: thirty five. One more time, take on, take right here.

2183
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 2: He tried to use the whole argument that Tank has

2184
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 2: a title. Now we know it's a secondary title. We

2185
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 2: know that Devin Haney has all four of the quote

2186
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 2: unquote real titles at one thirty five. Either way, it's

2187
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 2: a big fight it now, Luke, I'm gonna read some

2188
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:33,680
Speaker 2: of his comments. They don't fully solve what could be

2189
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 2: the issue in this being a hard fight to make.

2190
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 2: Will Dezone and show Time in this case be willing

2191
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 2: to go together to make some type of double pay

2192
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 2: per view. There's been some talk that that might not

2193
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 2: be realistic, but here's what Floyd said. He said, Uh,

2194
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,680
Speaker 2: the main man in the sport of boxing right now

2195
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 2: is the one that's attached to me, Giervonte. That's the

2196
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 2: only thing This kid, Ryan Garcia, the only thing that

2197
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 2: he knows is Tank. That's the only name that he knows.

2198
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:58,640
Speaker 2: Right Oh, I want to fight Tank. I don't care.

2199
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 2: It's the biggest fight. Oh, you want to fight how

2200
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 2: about you make the sacrifices So we know Tank right

2201
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 2: now is at one thirty five. So if you want

2202
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 2: to fight Tank at one thirty five, we can make

2203
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 2: it happen before the end of the year. Luke Is.

2204
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 2: His sort of argument was, you just fought at one

2205
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:14,640
Speaker 2: thirty five, so if you can make the sacrifice, you

2206
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 2: can do it. Luke, let's start just right there in

2207
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 2: that regard from Floyd's comments right there, is that enough

2208
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 2: to make you believe that this is a possibility for

2209
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. However, it goes down financially and network

2210
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 2: wise behind the scenes. That Floyd's saying let's do it

2211
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,720
Speaker 2: was a major hurdle to get past true or.

2212
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 1: False false don't buy it. Don't buy it if you

2213
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: I guess if you're asking me, do I have a

2214
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 1: greater sense that it's possible now that I did maybe

2215
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, six months ago or something, then yeah,

2216
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: I would say yes. But it just feels like, I mean,

2217
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, listen, and I'm not even saying Floyd's wrong.

2218
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 1: It's got to be at one thirty five versus one forty.

2219
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 1: I think that's probably right. That tanks the A side,

2220
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 1: Ryan's the B side. I think that's probably right. But

2221
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 1: I just feel like, as much as Ryan is enthusiastically

2222
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 1: lobbying for it, which I appreciate, I think that you know,

2223
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: we talked about Tyson Fury doing that back in the

2224
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 1: day and how much we liked that. Guys were taking

2225
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: the bull by the horns very good. I like it.

2226
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 1: It also feels to me like you can say it's

2227
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 1: more like, oh, yes, we're open to it, but this

2228
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 1: that X y Z. It's like it's like you're substituting

2229
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: a no for a yes, but then the yes just

2230
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 1: has a series of no's behind it. It's not really

2231
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 1: it's a distinction without a difference. To me, that's kind

2232
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 1: of where I'm at am I being too much of

2233
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 1: a hater.

2234
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on some things, right, I mean it

2235
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 2: depends this. Can Floyd get al Hama the pbcrhad, Can

2236
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:52,640
Speaker 2: he get al to agree with this? Is al on

2237
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 2: board with this? Can Showtime be talked into it. We

2238
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 2: have seen Steven Espino's comments in the past saying love

2239
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 2: the fight, don't see a need to work with his

2240
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 2: own What do they bring to the table. Obviously that's

2241
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 2: got to get through. That specific question about the competing

2242
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,560
Speaker 2: networks was asked apparently in this interview to Floyd, and

2243
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 2: here's his response, that fight will not be difficult to make.

2244
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 2: We don't have a problem. This is what we're gonna do. Okay, Now,

2245
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 2: we're gonna turn down a lot of things, but we

2246
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 2: ain't gonna turn down no money. We can turn down

2247
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 2: our callers, you know, but we ain't gonna turn down

2248
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 2: no money. So with that being said, we've all done

2249
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,599
Speaker 2: some foolish things in life, but we not know damn fools.

2250
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 2: So now I'm letting Oscar know this. Oscar, we can

2251
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 2: make the fight happen, but the fight's gotta be at

2252
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 2: one thirty five. And Luke, he also closed by saying

2253
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 2: this is kind of comedic, but he said Ryan Garcia

2254
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,719
Speaker 2: also would have to do an interview with fight Hype

2255
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 2: before entering the negotiation room, which is I mean, it's

2256
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 2: such typical Floyd. Floyd's told fight in the past. When

2257
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia first showed interest in fighting Jervonte, he was like, Okay,

2258
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 2: you can fight Gervonta. You gotta fight Roly first. But

2259
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 2: at first people were like, who the hell's Roly. We

2260
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 2: didn't know about him at that point, so I don't know, Luke.

2261
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,760
Speaker 2: I mean, this doesn't address fully the two network thing.

2262
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 2: Of course it doesn't. But to see Floyd not answer

2263
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 2: with this answer that would have gotten the upset, which

2264
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 2: is Okay, you wanna fight us, You're gonna fight on

2265
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 2: our terms. Come to us on our network, only on

2266
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 2: our terms. Now, he did identify terms, and the A

2267
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:13,720
Speaker 2: sides historically have always done that. One thing Floyd said

2268
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 2: in this interview, I wasn't a one fifty four guy,

2269
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 2: but I knew I had to move up there to

2270
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 2: fight Oscar. I knew I had to move up there

2271
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 2: to fight Codo, and I did it. He did, Luke,

2272
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 2: he won those fights. I do agree with that, making

2273
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia cut down one more time. At the end

2274
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:28,720
Speaker 2: of the day, it's what you gotta do to get

2275
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:32,560
Speaker 2: the fight. But can Floyd control the other parts of it?

2276
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 2: What's gonna be the financials, But there's still more hurdles.

2277
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 2: But seeing him do anything but say, you know, come

2278
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 2: to us, this seems promising, Luke. He didn't say no.

2279
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,719
Speaker 2: All right, you're saying there's a chance, Luke. Okay, I'm sorry.

2280
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 2: There's some fights that are that are so enticing. And again,

2281
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 2: this isn't two guys in their mid thirties. We're not

2282
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 2: spencing Crawford just saying I hope they finally see each

2283
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,680
Speaker 2: other before it's too late. This is twenty seven year

2284
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 2: old Davis against twenty three year old Garcia at a

2285
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 2: point where both have done some stuff. Gravante's certainly done more,

2286
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 2: but neither one have had that like one defining breakthrough

2287
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 2: guy that everyone thought could beat them but then all

2288
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 2: they got the win moment. And for both fighters, there's

2289
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 2: some of that in this, Luke. This is a fight

2290
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 2: to lose my morals and get just freaking excited about Luke,

2291
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 2: And I'm damn excited about this possibility. I mean, this

2292
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 2: is one of those like brings in different audiences. You

2293
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 2: don't know who's gonna win. They're both unbeaten, they both

2294
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 2: got a puncher's chance, they're both going for the KO.

2295
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 2: They're both stars who haven't yet been fully proven. This

2296
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 2: is the kind of shit that keeps you a boxing fan.

2297
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:36,679
Speaker 2: Fights like this, Luke, I think it's possible.

2298
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:38,599
Speaker 1: Here's what I guess I would say. Do I think

2299
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 1: the likelihood is now greater than it was previously. Yes,

2300
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 1: you make good arguments, but I don't think we've reached

2301
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,799
Speaker 1: the point where it's past the tipping point of likelihood.

2302
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 1: In other words, I still see it as overall, at

2303
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 1: this stage unlikely. I need to see something else that

2304
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: gets me to say, okay it maybe. Yeah, we went

2305
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:01,680
Speaker 1: from five percent to now twenty five percent likelihood. That's

2306
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:04,320
Speaker 1: still twenty five percent is five times as likely as

2307
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 1: five percent, But it's still not likely that it happens.

2308
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 1: It's still more often than not not going to happen.

2309
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 1: So I guess that's where I'm at. I I take

2310
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 1: your point that it is a meaningful difference, okay, but

2311
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 1: it's not meaningful enough to pass the tipping point from

2312
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 1: being unlikely to now likely for me.

2313
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 2: Well, if you're asking about my personal tipping point, Luke, yes,

2314
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 2: I do have a phoner.

2315
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 1: Okay.

2316
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 2: I am rock hard with emotion right now. Okay, So I.

2317
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 1: Gotta give you credit. It took you an hour and

2318
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:34,680
Speaker 1: fifty one minutes before you made a reference to your genitalia.

2319
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 1: That's that's all. That's a new record for you. Usually

2320
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: it takes it a minute in fifty one seconds.

2321
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 2: I think you mean until I made an obvious reference, Luke.

2322
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 2: I've been I've been throwing things over your head all show.

2323
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:46,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, do you do tend to do that? That

2324
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: is a fair point.

2325
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 2: Okay. Look, I don't know who's going to be the

2326
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 2: person that roadblocks this if it has roadblock potential, and

2327
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:55,639
Speaker 2: yes it does. There's a lot of people at this table, Luke, Okay,

2328
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:58,559
Speaker 2: a lot of cooks in this kitchen. But they meaning

2329
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 2: Floyd and Mayweather promotion, which by association also kind of

2330
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 2: means al Hayman at PBC. They wouldn't. They would need

2331
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 2: this fight to make them so much money that it's

2332
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 2: worth doing even though it's difficult, and give them the

2333
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 2: confidence that they can win it. And I think they

2334
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 2: have both, Luke, I think Floyd and them realize Ryan

2335
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 2: Garcia brings legitimate, you know, marketing side and money wise

2336
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 2: brings something to the table. I also think they watch

2337
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 2: him fight and go, oh, Tank'll knock him out, Luke.

2338
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 2: So maybe that helps us, Maybe that helps us get there.

2339
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. It's like Mario Barrios is

2340
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 1: is not a strong B side in terms of sales.

2341
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: Roly Romero tried his best to say outrageous shit, but

2342
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, none of those guys have. If you want

2343
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:42,679
Speaker 1: to say Tank is the A side and then Ryan's

2344
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:46,720
Speaker 1: the B side, which I agree, Ryan is buy a

2345
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 1: million miles, the biggest B side that Tank will have ever, ever, ever, ever,

2346
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: ever fought. And so to your point, that makes them

2347
01:50:55,520 --> 01:51:00,560
Speaker 1: significantly more attractive. Plus they probably like his chances. I

2348
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:02,479
Speaker 1: do think those are fair points to make as well.

2349
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, all right, we'll see what goes down. I mean, unfortunately,

2350
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:09,240
Speaker 2: if you're new to this side of the box, trying

2351
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 2: to predict what network heads will do is a part

2352
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 2: of boxing coverage. Unfortunately, it is to make these fights happen.

2353
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. Quick hitters this topic five, Luke,

2354
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 2: real quick, I got three nuggets for you. Tell me

2355
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:24,160
Speaker 2: if this moves you at all. Johnny Walker and Ewan

2356
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:30,559
Speaker 2: kute Laba on tap for UFC two seventy nine. Your thoughts.

2357
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 1: Kute Laba is gonna bring a fight out of them, right.

2358
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:34,960
Speaker 1: Kutaylaba is not gonna hang back.

2359
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 2: You know that.

2360
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 1: You know he's not gonna let him with that whole

2361
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna pick things apart a distance. So he's

2362
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 1: been trying that new Soto style. Like you might get

2363
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 1: the old Johnny Walker back for better or for worse.

2364
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 1: You might get it back with kutel Lava. So don't

2365
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 1: hate it. Don't love it like crazy love it, but

2366
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 1: don't hate it at all.

2367
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 2: UFC two seventy nine goes down September tenth, Las Vegas.

2368
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 2: The only thing we really know about that right now

2369
01:51:57,080 --> 01:52:00,760
Speaker 2: is is ham Sa Temaia and Nick Diaz Daz? How

2370
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 2: many times gonna call him Nick Nate Diaz in that

2371
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 2: non title main event. We know some of the undercard bouts,

2372
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 2: but I wonder you know, they gotta put something else.

2373
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,599
Speaker 2: They got to add one more nugget to that. Luke, Okay,

2374
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna sell Hams out in Nate and that'll sell itself.

2375
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 2: But I do think you need one more big fight.

2376
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 2: We'll see what direction they go, Luke. We know they

2377
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 2: were there was a contractually obligated and financial reason to

2378
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,680
Speaker 2: do this. So it looks like reports are telling us

2379
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 2: Devin Haney will give George Cambosis the rematch. It'll go

2380
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 2: down November fifteenth, I believe. I don't have the date

2381
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 2: in front of me, but it's it'll go down to Melbourne, Australia.

2382
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 2: I mean, look Melbourne. In all theory, Camboss should be

2383
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 2: able to fight better than he did in laying that

2384
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 2: egg the first time around, where he wasn't willing to

2385
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 2: go for broke or take on the danger that he

2386
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 2: took on against Tayo Femo, for example. Maybe it was

2387
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 2: knowing he had the rematch in his back pocket. I

2388
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 2: don't know, Luke. That does lead me to believe the

2389
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 2: fight will be more fun first one, not fun, important,

2390
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 2: not fun. I think I'll be entertained this time. But

2391
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 2: it does feel very extraneous and unnecessary to me. Are

2392
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,000
Speaker 2: you on the same wavelength.

2393
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 1: Unfortunate? You know? It says a lot by the way

2394
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:16,799
Speaker 1: that they went from Marvel Stadium to Rod Laver arena,

2395
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 1: which is like I think close to like a third

2396
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 1: the capacity for seats. Labor Yeah, rod labor whatever it is,

2397
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 1: Rod lavor labor. Uh, you know, it's a. It's a.

2398
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 1: It's UFC has fought in that arena. It's actually better

2399
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 1: for the fans, but it's a significant downgrade in terms

2400
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:35,800
Speaker 1: of the size of the audience. So that's interesting. It

2401
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:38,559
Speaker 1: sucks for Hane. Remember his dad bare His dad got

2402
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 1: into the country at like the eleventh hour before that fight. Listen,

2403
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 1: Hani is just a lot better than Cambos's. That's what

2404
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 1: we saw over twelve rounds. I just you know, I

2405
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:56,040
Speaker 1: understand rematch clauses in fights. I get it, but there

2406
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:58,559
Speaker 1: needs to be some kind of limits on it, especially

2407
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 1: for like mandatory the situations from the original fight that

2408
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: that limit how much they can do this kind of thing.

2409
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:10,400
Speaker 2: So I believe mandatories can't have rematch clauses, Luke. I

2410
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 2: believe that's the rule.

2411
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 1: So then what is the okay?

2412
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 2: This was This was the toll that Devin Haney, who

2413
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 2: became a free agent network and promotionally leaving his own

2414
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 2: and Eddie Hearn, this was the toll he had to

2415
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 2: pay in order to sign a co partnership with or

2416
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 2: Lou Debella reps Cambosis. So in order to sign that

2417
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 2: co partnership with top Rank, who's putting on the card

2418
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:34,880
Speaker 2: with ESPN as the network, right, he had to sign

2419
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 2: into the two fight agreement because Cambosis was the champion

2420
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 2: with leverage fighting in his own backyard. So that's the

2421
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 2: price Hani had to make to make this agreement happen.

2422
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 2: Unfortunately in that regard because he blew him out the

2423
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 2: first time.

2424
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it sucks for Haney because he's the

2425
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 1: guy with all the belts that he has to go

2426
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 1: back to Australia. It was a pain in the ass

2427
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 1: the first time. He made it work. I suspect he'll win.

2428
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: The second fight might be a little bit closer. First

2429
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 1: one was, you know, not a beating, but a blowout.

2430
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's unfortunate, but I don't think it's majorly

2431
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,760
Speaker 1: consequential either way. It sucks. It sucks for it sucks

2432
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 1: for any big time but it does.

2433
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what happens there. Finally, Manny Pachill may

2434
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 2: not have won the presidency losing in the Philippines, Luke,

2435
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,120
Speaker 2: but he's gonna be back in the ring, only this

2436
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 2: time it'll be an exhibition, so I don't know if

2437
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 2: this is technically him coming out of retirement, although I

2438
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 2: fully expect him to. Luke, he'll be facing YouTuber dk

2439
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 2: U this this December, and the fight is set up

2440
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 2: to raise funds for the Ukraine Russia war victims.

2441
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:42,600
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, he stretched this fucking guy for us. I mean,

2442
01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't even know who he is. No, I don't.

2443
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't follow the youth. I'm not you know, I

2444
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 2: don't follow the youtubes. I know we're on YouTube, Luke,

2445
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 2: I watched I watched RG three highlights last night. You

2446
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But that's about it on YouTube. Okay,

2447
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 2: thank you, Luke. I do expect fully to not only

2448
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:01,040
Speaker 2: see a Manny Pacio back, but I know you pooh

2449
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 2: poohed the idea a few times many Pakil versus Tank.

2450
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 2: Davis bangs, brother.

2451
01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 1: Guess the fun out I bangs. Okay, of all the

2452
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 1: listen what I watch. You know, the level of what

2453
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 1: I would watch is fairly low. I would watch it,

2454
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:21,600
Speaker 1: but do I want to see that? Do I prefer that?

2455
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't prefer that.

2456
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 2: It might be a good fight, it might be a

2457
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 2: good fight. We'll see, all right, Luke, to close this

2458
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 2: week on a little little verbos and long my fault

2459
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:34,920
Speaker 2: as your quarterback, as your captain here, but USh Morning

2460
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 2: Coombat at gmail dot com is your entry point for

2461
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 2: Wednesday's fan subs, and they've been fantastic of late and Friday.

2462
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:44,360
Speaker 2: Where we stand the test of time, we get on

2463
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 2: trial for things we've said that we're ill or incorrect.

2464
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 2: It's called dead wrong.

2465
01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:52,960
Speaker 1: Yes, uh uh.

2466
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 2: Uh uh. All right, let's start out with Michael here,

2467
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 2: he says during Wednesday show. When discussing the UFC ABC card,

2468
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:04,680
Speaker 2: Luke stated that Shane Burgos had a wild fight with

2469
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 2: Kyle Bockniak. Maybe clear up all the nicotine vapor in

2470
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 2: front of your computer screen so that you can actually

2471
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:15,440
Speaker 2: see Burgos's record on tapology. He never fought Bockniak. Za

2472
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,880
Speaker 2: Beat was the one who fought him back in twenty eighteen.

2473
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 2: You're dead wrong, You're disgusting, vap vaping douchebag.

2474
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. For some reason, I had

2475
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:29,720
Speaker 1: invented a fight that didn't exist.

2476
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 2: I do that all the time, Luke, all the time.

2477
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 2: I'm an asshole.

2478
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:33,080
Speaker 1: All right.

2479
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 2: This from Skyler. Is that a male or female? Luke

2480
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:39,880
Speaker 2: Skylar Skyler Skyle probably a dude that was a chicken

2481
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:41,680
Speaker 2: goodwill hunting right mini driver?

2482
01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I don't know what her. I don't know

2483
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,600
Speaker 1: what her the character's name was.

2484
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,560
Speaker 2: But yes, yeah with Skyler. That's why I brought it up.

2485
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 1: That was Dollars Skyler, that her name was Skyler in

2486
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: that movie.

2487
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, come on, that was basically our life on film.

2488
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:56,840
Speaker 1: Luke.

2489
01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:02,720
Speaker 2: Right there, Okay, Luke listening his five favorite Pantera songs

2490
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 2: in his live chat. Wait, they're dead running in your

2491
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 2: live chat on this show.

2492
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they shouldn't be doing that. You can dead wrong

2493
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:09,200
Speaker 1: it to me personally.

2494
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:12,360
Speaker 2: But you have an associate. The live chat on July fourteenth,

2495
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:15,840
Speaker 2: at approximately one thirty four of episode one twenty four,

2496
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 2: The second song he states is Respect, which isn't actually

2497
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:23,720
Speaker 2: a Pantera song at all. This makes you dead wrong,

2498
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:27,520
Speaker 2: you washed DoD Jomni donk keep up the great work.

2499
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 2: I've been listening to chorus Respect, Yeah, walk, yeah, yeah,

2500
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:38,440
Speaker 2: all right. Wasn't Matt Brown at the concert that dine

2501
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:42,000
Speaker 2: Bag Daryl was killed? I believe I asked him, Isy, Yes,

2502
01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm talking to him about it. Yes, wild wow, all right,

2503
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 2: this is from Connor and Mark. I believe Connor is

2504
01:58:47,240 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 2: the writer.

2505
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 1: Here.

2506
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 2: At one forty four of Monday Show, Luke says that

2507
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:53,560
Speaker 2: the Liver King admitted to having ab implants on the

2508
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 2: Full Send podcast. The liver King actually did not. He

2509
01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:00,280
Speaker 2: mentioned that the media made up this story and that

2510
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:04,200
Speaker 2: thirty that thirty five years of lifting weights and eating

2511
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 2: right made those abs. I still think it's a little

2512
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 2: sus but Luke was wrong to say that he admitted

2513
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:11,000
Speaker 2: they were faked.

2514
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's fine. He admitted it and then took

2515
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 1: it back and then made a joke of it. But

2516
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 1: then subsequent Internet sleuths have then suggested that it has

2517
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 1: to be true, and they note that like when he breathes,

2518
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:24,440
Speaker 1: the abs don't really move. There's there's a There's a

2519
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 1: Derek from shouts to Derek for more plates, more dates.

2520
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:29,920
Speaker 1: He did a whole breakdown on it. So yeah, yes,

2521
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:32,520
Speaker 1: he did not fully like and then consciously admit to

2522
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 1: without walking it back. But we're all sus He's sus

2523
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 1: as shit.

2524
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm now following liver Queen on Instagram as well. Luke too,

2525
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:43,960
Speaker 2: I need to learn about dirt bag. I bet you

2526
01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:47,040
Speaker 2: are all the ancestral tenants, Luke, I need to learn

2527
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:50,960
Speaker 2: about all of them. Okay, this one's from Omar. Hey,

2528
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:53,400
Speaker 2: it's Omar again, your friend from the Canary Islands.

2529
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:53,600
Speaker 1: Luke.

2530
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 2: That's incredible that he lives there and watches us.

2531
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:58,560
Speaker 1: It is cool. So it's a round world man, It's

2532
01:59:58,560 --> 01:59:59,120
Speaker 1: a round man.

2533
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:02,720
Speaker 2: In Morning Combat three twenty four, that's the episode number

2534
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:05,160
Speaker 2: during have you seen this shit? At two hours BC

2535
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 2: said it was a squash match, and Luke Thomas corrected him,

2536
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:11,080
Speaker 2: saying it was a pickleball match. But that's dead wrong.

2537
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:15,839
Speaker 2: It's a paddle match, a racket sport originating in Mexico

2538
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 2: and different from the sport known in the US as

2539
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:21,680
Speaker 2: paddle tennis. The main differences are that the court has walls,

2540
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,480
Speaker 2: the ball is different and has always played in doubles,

2541
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:27,160
Speaker 2: as you can see in the video. Much love from Spain.

2542
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:28,600
Speaker 2: Keep up the good work.

2543
02:00:29,720 --> 02:00:30,960
Speaker 1: It's pickleball. Fuck off?

2544
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:34,840
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you sent Omar to Canary Hell? You know

2545
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 2: what I mean?

2546
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:37,440
Speaker 1: He's probably right. I mean, listen, if we're you know,

2547
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:41,240
Speaker 1: it looked like pickleball, which is a game that geezers

2548
02:00:41,320 --> 02:00:43,760
Speaker 1: like you and I will play in probably five years

2549
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:44,800
Speaker 1: when we can't fucking move.

2550
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, complain about like taxes and kids and the

2551
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:54,120
Speaker 2: millennials and millennials having kids. Luke, Yeah, that's great. By

2552
02:00:54,120 --> 02:00:57,480
Speaker 2: the way, the guy who worked out with Tony Ferguson

2553
02:00:57,480 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 2: wearing the MK shirt at Snick Diez, I'm told he

2554
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,240
Speaker 2: was at our live show as well in Vegas.

2555
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 1: Amazing guys like a p one is that guy?

2556
02:01:06,720 --> 02:01:09,920
Speaker 2: People? Absolutely big fan of that guy. Vinnie says. At

2557
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:12,880
Speaker 2: forty minutes and forty five seconds of Episode three twenty five,

2558
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 2: Luke said that TJ Dillashaw never had the title taken

2559
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:20,320
Speaker 2: from him other than for administrative reasons and not what

2560
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:22,880
Speaker 2: happened inside the octagon. This is dead wrong due to

2561
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 2: the fact that TJ lost a split decision to Dominic

2562
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:27,360
Speaker 2: Cruz and their match at UFC Fight Night.

2563
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,800
Speaker 1: We're talking about the last belt that he had. Fuckohs,

2564
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about.

2565
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:35,919
Speaker 2: Back in January of twenty sixteen.

2566
02:01:36,040 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 1: Double down on that age one, Okay, I mean that's

2567
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:40,600
Speaker 1: not what we're talking about, but yeah, I mean.

2568
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:42,880
Speaker 2: Of the show. Yeah, all right, all right, all right,

2569
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:45,120
Speaker 2: Vinnie got up inside on you. I like that, Luke.

2570
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean, but it's not the point I was making.

2571
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 1: The point was he had the belt when Yusawa came

2572
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:49,920
Speaker 1: crashing down.

2573
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah that's the point, you pedantic piece of shit. Yes,

2574
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:55,760
Speaker 2: yes did he Yeah he lost the belt to you

2575
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:58,960
Speaker 2: said it? Yeah, okay, this is Greg. Harry also wrote

2576
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:01,080
Speaker 2: about this. But this is Greg. This is our last one.

2577
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:02,160
Speaker 2: What's up, Fellas, it's.

2578
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:03,360
Speaker 1: Your beaten today.

2579
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is all one way traffic. I'm loving it.

2580
02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm back with another dead wrong for certified frat legend himself,

2581
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:14,400
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas Well. Discussing Nate Diaz versus Hamzad on Wednesday Show,

2582
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 2: Luke claimed that neither Diaz brother had ever pulled out

2583
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:19,760
Speaker 2: of a fight due to injury. This is dead wrong,

2584
02:02:19,880 --> 02:02:22,120
Speaker 2: because Nate pulled out of the Leon Edwards fight at

2585
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:25,200
Speaker 2: UFC two sixty two, only for it to be rescheduled

2586
02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:28,760
Speaker 2: the following month at sixty three. I recognize Luke speats

2587
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:32,520
Speaker 2: closely with Nate's team, so perhaps he knows something I don't.

2588
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:35,520
Speaker 2: But every report I can find states that Nate pulled

2589
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:39,400
Speaker 2: out with the injury. Ps Luke, I want that rematch?

2590
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh dude, that's punch drunk Pete's Greg.

2591
02:02:42,240 --> 02:02:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have to double check that he could

2592
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:46,520
Speaker 1: be right. He could be right. I don't remember it

2593
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:50,280
Speaker 1: that way, but I also thought that uh Shaneburgo's fought

2594
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:53,400
Speaker 1: motherfuckers didn't fight, So it's worth a double check.

2595
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:56,760
Speaker 2: Uh Morning Coombat at gmail dot com will get your

2596
02:02:57,120 --> 02:02:58,440
Speaker 2: uh your shit read by.

2597
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:01,000
Speaker 1: Mike Hiring Squad today.

2598
02:03:01,480 --> 02:03:04,360
Speaker 2: Shit real talk here about Punch Drunk P. He had

2599
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:07,040
Speaker 2: a moment during our live show. He was much more

2600
02:03:07,120 --> 02:03:09,760
Speaker 2: entertaining than me. I'll give you that credit. He was

2601
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:11,920
Speaker 2: drunk as shit, though he tried to wander like on

2602
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:14,200
Speaker 2: set and stuff. But I really like the guy. Is

2603
02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 2: he is he MK approval we hang out with him

2604
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:19,240
Speaker 2: or do you think he's more likely to like jizz

2605
02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:21,320
Speaker 2: in Landjaeger and mail it to us or something.

2606
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:23,920
Speaker 1: No, he's a Landjaeger jizzer for sure. I mean that's

2607
02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:30,040
Speaker 1: that of that, there can be no doubt. But I

2608
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:32,080
Speaker 1: will say this in his defense. In addition to being

2609
02:03:32,120 --> 02:03:34,840
Speaker 1: a great fan, he is one of our fans that

2610
02:03:35,480 --> 02:03:39,520
Speaker 1: likes both MMA and boxing and doesn't groan when we

2611
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:41,400
Speaker 1: do boxing content, So I appreciate him.

2612
02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:43,520
Speaker 2: In fact, Punch Drunk P, long before I met him,

2613
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 2: would always hit me up in the DM's be like,

2614
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:47,160
Speaker 2: what fight should I watch next? And give me a breakdown?

2615
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:49,200
Speaker 2: How much you love this? So he is digging into

2616
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:51,600
Speaker 2: the box and enjoying it. Luke, who would you be

2617
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 2: more willing in a pinch situation to let baby sit

2618
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:56,640
Speaker 2: two Key, punch Drunk Pete or Damian the Donk.

2619
02:03:57,160 --> 02:04:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus Christ, You're gonna need him.

2620
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:03,680
Speaker 2: To get you through this? Probably, Luke, I.

2621
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:07,360
Speaker 1: Mean, given that Damien the Donk has children hanging from

2622
02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:10,560
Speaker 1: a noose on his chest and a tattoo, probably means

2623
02:04:10,600 --> 02:04:12,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't leave two Key with him unattended. But punch

2624
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:14,360
Speaker 1: Drunk Pete would be the kind of guy's like, oh

2625
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:16,040
Speaker 1: you thurstay drink this beer, three year old?

2626
02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:19,360
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, there you go. There it is, Luke.

2627
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:22,040
Speaker 2: That's our show for today, Friday set in the weekend,

2628
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:25,440
Speaker 2: Big Mikey reporting that Damien has a son. Yes, he

2629
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:27,400
Speaker 2: did show up in the background of the interview. Who's

2630
02:04:27,440 --> 02:04:30,000
Speaker 2: gonna win this year's twenty twenty two Donk of the Year, Well,

2631
02:04:31,160 --> 02:04:34,280
Speaker 2: keep trying, folks. Appy's out there, Russell from Georgia's out there.

2632
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:36,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna see who else is gonna keep contributing here.

2633
02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:40,280
Speaker 2: Those are our social handles like and follow that Bulletour

2634
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:43,080
Speaker 2: tonight on Showtime ten pm Eastern is the main card.

2635
02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:45,360
Speaker 2: You can check Luke and I. I'll CBS Sports HQ

2636
02:04:45,480 --> 02:04:48,160
Speaker 2: at nine to set the stage. Check me afterwards. If

2637
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:50,520
Speaker 2: you care that much, I love you, Thank you very much, Luke.

2638
02:04:50,680 --> 02:04:55,600
Speaker 2: Any closing shots, parting shots, closing comments, We're working on it.

2639
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:58,360
Speaker 1: I can't guarantee it. There might be a post fight

2640
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:03,280
Speaker 1: reaction show for UFC London, no guarantees. We're working on that.

2641
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:07,960
Speaker 1: And then next couple of weeks we got well there's

2642
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:10,080
Speaker 1: some vacation going on the next month really between you

2643
02:05:10,120 --> 02:05:12,280
Speaker 1: and I. But even with all that, we got a

2644
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:14,440
Speaker 1: lot of extra stuff planned, so be on the lookout

2645
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:15,760
Speaker 1: as always.

2646
02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:19,720
Speaker 2: As always check YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat. Obviously,

2647
02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:21,880
Speaker 2: we would love for you to like this video and subscribe,

2648
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:25,160
Speaker 2: but great content Outside of the three live shows per

2649
02:05:25,240 --> 02:05:28,040
Speaker 2: week interviews, you can check out my chat with Danny Garcia,

2650
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:31,000
Speaker 2: who's back July thirtieth on Showtime at a new weight class.

2651
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:34,320
Speaker 2: At one fifty four. Luke talked to Jake Paul him

2652
02:05:34,360 --> 02:05:36,880
Speaker 2: and I talked to of course I seem rockmand Junior.

2653
02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:39,080
Speaker 2: They'll be fighting August sixth on Showtime pay per View,

2654
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:41,520
Speaker 2: Start your thirty diff free trial right now, Showtime. Why

2655
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:44,360
Speaker 2: not Showtime dot Com do that shit? Look, I wanted

2656
02:05:44,360 --> 02:05:46,040
Speaker 2: to close with a brief editory. A lot of people

2657
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:47,560
Speaker 2: are hitting me up to in BC. It's like, it's

2658
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 2: great that you guys are pushing AG one so hard.

2659
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 1: But I know you.

2660
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:53,200
Speaker 2: I know how you live your life. I know what

2661
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:55,640
Speaker 2: color your liver is. You're gonna try to sell me

2662
02:05:55,720 --> 02:05:58,840
Speaker 2: something that obviously is not helping you, you know, in

2663
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:01,440
Speaker 2: any form as you off your lungs out into And

2664
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:03,080
Speaker 2: I get a lot of people that say this, Luke,

2665
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:07,520
Speaker 2: But how smart are you guys? Really? Maybe it's the

2666
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:08,840
Speaker 2: AG one that's keeping me alive.

2667
02:06:09,120 --> 02:06:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they understand. It's like, but for

2668
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:14,040
Speaker 1: the AG one, it would be much worse. Is it

2669
02:06:14,120 --> 02:06:18,400
Speaker 1: a miracle cure? Nothing is? But in terms of the healthy, Like,

2670
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:21,200
Speaker 1: what's all the unhealthy and all the healthy things in

2671
02:06:21,320 --> 02:06:23,720
Speaker 1: the balance here? AG one is the only thing keeping

2672
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 1: those scales even remotely close?

2673
02:06:25,600 --> 02:06:27,280
Speaker 2: Maybe that's how I make it to the microphone three

2674
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:27,760
Speaker 2: days a week.

2675
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:28,040
Speaker 1: All right?

2676
02:06:28,040 --> 02:06:29,360
Speaker 2: Do you ever think of that? All right?

2677
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:31,960
Speaker 1: Why don't you pour more water over your coffee mug

2678
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:33,880
Speaker 1: that has coffee left in it and then just drink

2679
02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:36,000
Speaker 1: brown water like a piece of shit that you are.

2680
02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:39,760
Speaker 2: So I do the move that my dad does historically, Luke,

2681
02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:41,960
Speaker 2: which is, if there's coffee left in the in the

2682
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:44,520
Speaker 2: maker in the morning, just throw that in a cup,

2683
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:48,080
Speaker 2: heat it up while you're while you're making new coffee

2684
02:06:48,720 --> 02:06:51,200
Speaker 2: and in like this morning, I didn't even make new coffee.

2685
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:53,560
Speaker 2: I just drank old stuff. To some people, that's like,

2686
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, that's like, uh, gross is shit? Luke? Are

2687
02:06:58,400 --> 02:06:58,800
Speaker 2: you in on that?

2688
02:06:59,160 --> 02:07:02,120
Speaker 1: That is insanely gross? Again, the only gross thing I

2689
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:04,240
Speaker 1: ever did with coffee was put it in my gums,

2690
02:07:04,360 --> 02:07:06,440
Speaker 1: like take the granules and put it in my gums

2691
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:10,440
Speaker 1: as like a wake up call. But other than that, yeah, yeah,

2692
02:07:10,440 --> 02:07:11,360
Speaker 1: you're a gross piece of shit.

2693
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:14,080
Speaker 2: Yes, a right, confirmed, there it is. We've got to

2694
02:07:14,120 --> 02:07:17,560
Speaker 2: the bottom of it. Thank you to Malcolm, Showtime, CBS Sports,

2695
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:20,000
Speaker 2: Long Island, Luke on the ones and twos. There may

2696
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:23,280
Speaker 2: be Minique shining I saw on Gaffs vacation pictures. So

2697
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:25,160
Speaker 2: continue to live it up in the Caribbean. We love

2698
02:07:25,240 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 2: you as well out there for Mikey Morms, for the

2699
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:31,680
Speaker 2: great Luke Thomas LT himself. I am Brian Campbell reminding

2700
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:35,080
Speaker 2: you right, all work good, all work fine, but first

2701
02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:37,280
Speaker 2: take care of Ed. Be well up here. You got this.

2702
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:39,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna get through another week. Enjoy the fights this weekend.

2703
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:41,320
Speaker 2: Two words for the people

2704
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,040
Speaker 1: We out don't see thor it sucks