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Speaker 2: Oh boy, howdy, welcome back to it could happen here

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Speaker 2: a podcast about about those wacky gen Z kids and

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Speaker 2: how all of the things that the mainstream media used

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Speaker 2: to say about millennials I have now embraced to say

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Speaker 2: about gen Z who are destroying the world through their

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Speaker 2: through their greed and evilness and good knees comparatively. Yeah, Miah,

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Speaker 2: how are you doing? You're you're gen Z?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm on okay, I am on the exact

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Speaker 1: borderline of I am either the oldest Zoomer or the

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Speaker 2: So you're you're a day walker, right like you're the

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Speaker 2: you're the Blade of gen Z. Yeah, yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 2: you could go out in the sub onions, but you

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Speaker 2: still blood. Yeah, I get it, I get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: who's the Chris Christal I guess I'm the Chris Christofferson.

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Speaker 2: If we're doing the original Blade movie, which I watched

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Speaker 2: over Thanksgiving break pretty good. I hadn't seen it in

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of downhill from the Blood Rave.

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Speaker 1: But the Blood Rave is pretty sick. It's all every

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Speaker 1: everything in culture was downhill from blood rave. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's got some it's got some good bits to it. Still,

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Speaker 1: you know what doesn't have good bits to it.

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Speaker 4: The institution of marriage.

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Speaker 2: That I mean, I don't disagree with that, but I

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Speaker 2: was going to say the Washington Post editorial board, Ah,

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, so we are talking is that this

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Speaker 2: is an episode about some gin z panic shit that

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Speaker 2: into because of the pretty interesting ways in which it's

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Speaker 2: wrong if you were, you know, celebrating being with your family,

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Speaker 2: Last week, on November twenty second, twenty twenty three, the

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Speaker 2: Washington Post Editorial Board published an opinion column with the

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Speaker 2: provocative title, if attitudes don't shift, a political dating mismatch

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Speaker 2: will threaten marriage.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, yeah, I love this. Vitally destroy the institution?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, we're doing this through a political dating mismatch.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I think an article with roughly this premise drops every year,

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Speaker 2: sometimes a couple of times a year, on a couple

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Speaker 2: of different places. This time it came in through the

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Speaker 2: Washington Post editorial Board, and the basic premise of this

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Speaker 2: specific article is that gen Z and millennial men are

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Speaker 2: growing more conservative while women are growing more progressive. This

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Speaker 2: threatens marriage as an institution because all these closed minded

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Speaker 2: gen Z lib broads won't date report opplicans. Right. That

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Speaker 2: is literally like the point of the article is a

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Speaker 2: gen Z liberal women, they are less willing to date

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Speaker 2: outside of their political beliefs, and men are getting more conservative.

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Speaker 2: So it's really a danger for marriage.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I understand if your first impulse is to say something like, well,

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Speaker 2: when has the Washington Post editorial board ever been right

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Speaker 2: about a single goddamn thing? And that is a correct

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Speaker 2: attitude to have.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they make the decision not to publish an article.

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Speaker 1: There are some days where they don't write anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to, that is a good decision. If

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Speaker 2: they made that decision every day, I would be fully

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Speaker 2: hire me, I can make that decision for them every day.

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Speaker 2: I'm very good at not doing anything. That said, even

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Speaker 2: though it is correct to say the Washington Post editorial

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Speaker 2: boarder basically always wrong, I've still run into overwhelming numbers

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Speaker 2: So even though people will be like, well, it's stupid

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Speaker 2: to expect people to date, you know, folks who believe

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Speaker 2: horrible political things that would hurt them, it's true that

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Speaker 2: that does mean that like, yeah, we're losing the young men.

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Speaker 2: They've all been tilted towards these guys. And so, without

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Speaker 2: give a breakdown of how common the so called right

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Speaker 2: word tilt of young men actually is because spoilers, this

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Speaker 2: with the obvious point here. Young men are not growing

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Speaker 2: So first off, I want to read you a quote

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Speaker 2: the percentage of young women ages eighteen to thirty who

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Speaker 2: If anything, they have grown more conservative. Now that claim

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Speaker 4: Board they have?

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Speaker 1: Those people could not find a second study if you

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Speaker 1: nailed it to their face, they share, couldn't they share?

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Speaker 1: Couldn't they googled real quickly? Or I'm not even going

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Speaker 1: the entire statistical base of that claim is a study

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Speaker 1: even then, the study that they are actually citing doesn't show.

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Speaker 1: With the Post editorial Board claims again, their claim is

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Speaker 1: young men have not followed suit. If anything, they have

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Speaker 1: grown more conservative, right, young men. So they are talking

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote from that study. Previous research identified

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Speaker 1: The gender gap in liberal identity is notable among members

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Speaker 2: And while it does eventually acknowledge the differences, where because

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Speaker 2: The Washington Post editorial board just makes the claim that

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Speaker 2: very different things being claimed here. So the Post just

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Speaker 2: young men, not just young white men, are more conservative,

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Speaker 2: not just Z white men are more conservative. Now, this

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Speaker 2: information on how gen Z adult men voted as a

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Speaker 2: one percent of young women. That's a that's gen Z

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Speaker 2: presumably a percentage of the people in this are technically millennials,

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Speaker 2: but they're like you, they're day walkers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like what, like, oh my god, I can't

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Speaker 2: I think it's like twenty seven to forty something is

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Speaker 4: But I'm going to say it's close enough to this.

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Speaker 4: This is closes.

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Speaker 1: It's only like three years of people right exactly, and

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Speaker 2: But of that of these voters in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: prior generations, which means overall gen Z men are not

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Speaker 2: dating is not a problem for most people the way

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Speaker 2: it is for apparently the Washington Post editorial board. Now

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Speaker 2: there's a couple of caveats here. One is that midterm

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Speaker 2: we've actually seen unless for elections, soaring youth voter turnout,

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Speaker 2: votes when is not as accurate when we're talking about

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Speaker 2: younger people. This is not something that you can prove objectively,

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Speaker 2: but there's significant, sort of circumstantial evidence around this. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of circumstances, you know what circumstances get me to spend

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Speaker 4: Is it being served products and services?

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Speaker 2: It's well, it's when those products and services advertise on

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Speaker 2: this podcast and only this podcast. So check that shit out, homies.

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Speaker 3: Dah and we're back.

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Speaker 2: So yeah. One of the overall points to make that

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Speaker 4: They just don't.

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Speaker 2: And again, one of the things that's interesting about this,

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Again, everything that's been going on with like the Biden

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Speaker 1: And there's there's a thing I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so like it's like this is this.

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Speaker 2: I do think another thing that is happening here is

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, here's a quote another quote from that

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Speaker 2: Like it's just not accurate, Like, yeah, maybe a lot

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Speaker 4: Weird fearmongering thing.

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Speaker 1: And the second thing is I think is interesting too

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Speaker 1: of likeasistics that I've seen based on American society is

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Speaker 1: that like, women who aren't married are way happier than

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Speaker 1: they are in marriages, and you know, like men do worse.

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Speaker 1: But like, you know, but like I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: one of these things there's like we don't know, like

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Speaker 1: there has not been a version of America where we

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Speaker 1: haven't where the institution of marriage wasn't like our thing

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Speaker 1: that hasn't existed for like two or three hundred years.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: The Washington Post doesn't know what an American society without,

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Speaker 1: like where people don't get married. Looks like like they

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Speaker 1: have no idea, but they're just sort of assuming that

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Speaker 1: it's like the apocalypse because they're weird conservatives in the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of I mean, and again, a

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Speaker 2: massive part of what's we're seeing here is less it's

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Speaker 2: objectively good, like marriage is the result of all of

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Speaker 2: these kind of positive mental health outcomes and more well,

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Speaker 2: when people are like have relationships and loved ones and

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Speaker 2: like a family system supporting them. They're less likely to

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Speaker 2: commit suicide, they're more likely to have someone notice if

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Speaker 2: they take ill. They're just like healthier in general. But

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Speaker 2: that doesn't that doesn't necessarily mean that it's marriage specifically,

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Speaker 2: and more like yeah, not being alone. Right, Yeah, Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I want to continue and just kind of go through.

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Speaker 2: I think we've trashed this article enough, but I did

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Speaker 2: find a lot of interesting stuff about gen Z and

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Speaker 2: young voters that I wanted to get into. But first,

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Speaker 2: here's some more fucking ads. You pigs, you filthy mongrels.

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Speaker 2: Slop it up, suck it down. Anyway, we'll be back

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Speaker 2: in a.

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Speaker 3: Minute, and we're back.

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Speaker 2: So one interesting thing I found. I tried to stick

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Speaker 2: to just stuff from like twenty twenty one or later

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Speaker 2: for this, in part because of the Andrew Tait of it.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I wanted to like try to find stuff

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Speaker 2: that was like, Okay, since that guy came onto the scene,

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Speaker 2: has there been some sudden shift because people treat him

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Speaker 2: like the pied piper of fucking fascism, which, again, he's

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Speaker 2: a problem, but I don't think that's broadly accurate. So

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Speaker 2: one of the studies I found was a twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one survey from MTV AP and o RC right, and

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Speaker 2: it was interesting because it showed something I didn't real

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Speaker 2: something I had kind of bought into, was at least

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Speaker 2: less supported by the evidence than I might have thought,

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Speaker 2: which is like the level of Doumerism and young people politics.

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Speaker 2: Gen Z actually shows optim like that they are more

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Speaker 2: optimistic than a lot of older people, both in the

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Speaker 2: state of the world and their role in improving it.

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Speaker 2: Two thirds of gen Z feels like their generation is

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Speaker 2: motivated to make positive change in the country. Part of

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Speaker 2: I think where we get some of the feelings of

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Speaker 2: dumerism is that only about fourteen percent think that they

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Speaker 2: can have an impact on what the government does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that isn't higherly reasonable assessment of I

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Speaker 1: mean just like looking at polling data on Palestine or like.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely no, we had a very rational take actually.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like we had we had an entire uprising,

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Speaker 1: like people people fought the Secret Service at the gates

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Speaker 1: of the White House, and the product of it was

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Speaker 1: the government was like, no, we should give more money

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Speaker 1: to cops. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: like defunding the New York Public Library System to buy

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Speaker 1: encrypted radio like things for police units. Like it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like this is objectively true that you have very little

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Speaker 1: influence over the government.

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Speaker 2: Like a perfectly reasonable thing to say. Yeah, but yeah

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Speaker 2: about uh it is interesting too. Another thing that I

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Speaker 2: was kind of surprised me. It's about half of Gen

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Speaker 2: Z people think their standard of living is better than

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Speaker 2: their parents, but about half also think that the world

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Speaker 2: their generation is facing is worse than what most other

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Speaker 2: people most other generations have dealt with. So like they

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Speaker 2: think that their problems are are worse than like what

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Speaker 2: boomers and Gen X and millennials we're dealing with, but

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Speaker 2: they think they're about half of them think they're living

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Speaker 2: better lives. This is pretty similar to how millennials feel.

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Speaker 2: Gen X feels very different. Gen X or is the

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Speaker 2: most pessimistic generation about the state of the world, which

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Speaker 2: actually makes kind of sense if you realize that like

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Speaker 2: a lot of Gen Z kids are the children of

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Speaker 2: Gen X people, right, So like they think their standard

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Speaker 2: of living is better than their parents because Gen X

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Speaker 2: is miserable. Yeah, which you know, interesting. Gen Z and

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Speaker 2: Millennials are more accepting than Gen X of depictions of

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Speaker 2: same sex couples in media, and hold more positive views

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Speaker 2: of LGBT people, which again, Gen X is the worst generation.

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Speaker 2: We all have to agree on that one.

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Speaker 4: Just terrible.

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Speaker 2: It really really didn't work out.

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Speaker 4: In two thousands.

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Speaker 2: Were just a disaster, calamity, calamity. So I wanted to

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Speaker 2: kind of break down some stuff from this survey that

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Speaker 2: was interesting, just kind of on how the generations support

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Speaker 2: various policies. So, in terms of their support for prohibiting

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Speaker 2: work place discrimination on the basis of gender identity, sixty

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Speaker 2: two percent of Gen Z and sixty two percent of

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Speaker 2: millennials support that, only fifty three percent of Gen X does,

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Speaker 2: which is still actually not like a massive gap, right

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Speaker 2: when it comes to this is interesting when it comes

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Speaker 2: to requiring Americans to mask in public places like stores

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Speaker 2: and restaurants, fifty four percent of millennials support that, fifty

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Speaker 2: three percent of Gen X do but does, but fifty

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Speaker 2: two percent of Gen Z does, which is all potentially

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Speaker 2: within kind of a margin of err, yeah, that's us

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Speaker 2: like noise, Like, yeah, that might just be noise. It's

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Speaker 2: about equivalent, right, It's pretty most of this is actually

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Speaker 2: pretty for all of our shitting on gen X, most

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Speaker 2: of this is actually pretty close. For acquiring vaccinations, Millennials

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Speaker 2: seem to support it higher than anyone else forty nine percent,

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Speaker 2: gen Z at forty three percent, which is significant. Kind

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Speaker 2: of gen X is right in the middle at forty

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Speaker 2: five When it comes to supporting a nationwide ban on

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Speaker 2: air fifteens and other similar semi automatic rifles, gen Z

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Speaker 2: and gen X are at forty two percent for gen

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Speaker 2: X forty four percent for GIN, whereas millennials are at

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Speaker 2: forty seven percent. Now, a lot of this breakdown, because

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Speaker 2: I dug into the actual numbers, is the difference between

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Speaker 2: men and women, and conservative men and liberal women right

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Speaker 2: who are liberal women are a lot more common and

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Speaker 2: more likely to support these kinds of bands, whereas conservative

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Speaker 2: men aren't, But that drags the overall numbers down. It's

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Speaker 2: just interesting to me that there seems to be less

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Speaker 2: support with gen Z over that they're closer to gen X.

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Speaker 2: Increasing security at the border fifty This is where there's

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Speaker 2: a huge gap. Fifty five percent of gen X for

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Speaker 2: increasing border security. Millennials and gen Z are at thirty

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Speaker 2: eight and thirty seven percent. So that's really like gen

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Speaker 2: X really seems to buy into the we need more

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Speaker 2: border security, whereas de utes are like, no, fuck that shit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Gen X or gen Z and millennials both tied at

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Speaker 2: forty eight percent support for a universal basic income. Only

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Speaker 2: thirty six percent of gen X supports this, again, another

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Speaker 2: significant gap. One interesting thing is that gen X and

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Speaker 2: millennials at eight and thirty six percent support reducing regulations

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Speaker 2: on businesses. Only thirty one percent of gen Z supports this.

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Speaker 2: That's a significant difference. I find that kind of interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder how much of that.

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Speaker 1: Also is just like like like you are okay, you

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Speaker 1: are in, You're a zumer, You're never are you over

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Speaker 1: owning a business?

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Speaker 2: Like first off, thank you? I under what circumstances I

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Speaker 2: think it may it may be and I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't know that this has been studied. It may be

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Speaker 2: that because gen Z are so so many of them

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Speaker 2: want to be influencers to do some other kind of

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Speaker 2: job and like internet content creation that and a lot

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Speaker 2: of them have done kind of work, made some amount

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Speaker 2: of money in that field that tends to be independent

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Speaker 2: contractor work. And there's some pretty onerous tax regulations. You know,

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Speaker 2: if you've ever been an independent contract about how you've

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Speaker 2: got to pay taxes, it may have something to do

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Speaker 2: with that. I don't know though, Like I this hasn't

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Speaker 2: been broken down like granularly that I've seen, but I

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Speaker 2: did find that kind of entry. And then here's kind

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Speaker 2: of depressing but interesting reducing funding for law enforcement agencies.

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Speaker 2: Thirty four percent of millennials support that. Thirty percent of

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Speaker 2: gen Z supports that, which is enough of a gap

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Speaker 2: to suggest like might be somewhat less popular among gen

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Speaker 2: Z the millennials. Only eighteen percent of gen X feels

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Speaker 2: the same, which is a huge gap, and that is

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Speaker 2: kind of interesting to me. So yeah, yeah, well that's all.

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Speaker 1: I think There's one I think there's one like last

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting thing about this is that those numbers,

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Speaker 1: the numbers on like police funding and a lot of

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Speaker 1: the sort of like if you just look at the

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Speaker 1: graphs that were in the Washington Post article, a lot

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Speaker 1: of that is it looks a lot like there's there's

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Speaker 1: there's a giant spike dream the uprising, and then it

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Speaker 1: sort of like tails off after it. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that I think is like like that

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Speaker 1: I don't, you know, And this is I think a

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Speaker 1: thing I think is kind of important is like this,

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Speaker 1: this stuff is all malleable, and moment something happens, everyone,

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Speaker 1: everyone's beliefs change really quickly. Yeah, and that's the thing,

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Speaker 1: and like like that, that's that's the thing with these

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Speaker 1: sort of like you know, with with the sort of

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Speaker 1: Juambers and right Andrew Tates like yeah, like but people,

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Speaker 1: people's actual political beliefs and what they're willing to do

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Speaker 1: for them can change very very very quickly in moments

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Speaker 1: where they're sort of you know, I mean there's there's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people getting shot by cops in the

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Speaker 1: street right right like that that that changes people really

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Speaker 1: really quickly.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's why the gap is so high

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Speaker 2: both between overall Americans, which are at twenty eight percent

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Speaker 2: for defunding police, and between Gen X and Gen Z millennials.

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Speaker 2: Is that a lot more Gen Z millennials people got

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Speaker 2: like beaten by the cops in twenty twenty, and that

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Speaker 2: this does show well, again it's an uphill battle. Most Americans,

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Speaker 2: a super majority of Americans do not support that way.

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Speaker 2: More young Americans do, and it's probably because so many

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Speaker 2: of us got our asses, yecked.

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Speaker 1: And I also I want to like, like, like if

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Speaker 1: if you look at what was like the numbers dream

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Speaker 1: the uprising, right, like the number of people who supported

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Speaker 1: the burning of the third presink was like fifty percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so like these are things that change really quickly in

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Speaker 1: the moments too, and now we're in the sort of

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Speaker 1: long backlash and that's you know, and that's that's driving

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Speaker 1: like some of these numbers. But yeah, yeah, like don't it,

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Speaker 1: don't don't be cynical things. Things can and will get better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes they will, and they there's a pretty dramatic difference.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it'll take a couple more of the general uprisings

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Speaker 2: where people get they're natiskick, which is not great to

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Speaker 2: think about, but like, these are pretty stark differences in

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Speaker 2: the generations, and I think that that's kind of worth

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Speaker 2: noting and I don't know, celebrating maybe the wrong term,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think it's pessimistic now in terms of

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Speaker 2: stuff that is pessimistic. I want to end on a

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Speaker 2: note of like where I kind of think some of

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Speaker 2: the lazy, dumb ass pundit brain on this is coming from,

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Speaker 2: and I maybe I'm wrong about this. But I have

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Speaker 2: a little conspiracy theory that involves AI because I did

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Speaker 2: kind of at the end of digging up a bunch

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Speaker 2: of these studies, reading through I don't know, like fifteen

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Speaker 2: articles or whatnot, and you know, the actual like entirety

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Speaker 2: of three or four different big surveys, I decided just

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Speaker 2: to hop onto one of the AI search engines that

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Speaker 2: I use occasionally that is usually not helpful, just to

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Speaker 2: see what it said. And I asked, like, what is

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Speaker 2: the most recent data on how young gen z men

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Speaker 2: are voting right? And it gave me mostly useless shit,

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Speaker 2: Like the resources were bad. But one of the things

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Speaker 2: that said, because it breaks down the different sources and

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Speaker 2: like summarizes them for you. So it says here the

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Speaker 2: Atlantic is kind of one of the sources. It recommends

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Speaker 2: the Atlantic Reporter that gen Z and millennials are more

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Speaker 2: likely to vote Republican. This could indicate a shift in

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Speaker 2: political leadings among these demographics. Now, the article that it

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Speaker 2: is linking there is an article called is gen Z

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Speaker 2: coming for the GOP? Not all young people are Democrats?

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Speaker 2: By Ronald Brownstein, And it does not say that, It

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Speaker 2: does not say anything like that. It certainly does not say,

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Speaker 2: and I will tell you what it fucking says, right,

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Speaker 2: because it's wildly fucking different. An analysis of previously unpublished

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Speaker 2: election data from Catalyst, a democratic targeting firm, by Michael

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Speaker 2: pod Orzer, a former political director for the AFLCIO, shows

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Speaker 2: that even the emergence of these new voters may not

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Speaker 2: break the larger political stalemate that has partitioned the country

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Speaker 2: in a seemingly immovable blocks of bread and blue states.

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Speaker 2: Podewzer's analysis of the Catalyst data, shared exclusively with The Atlantic,

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Speaker 2: found that over the past four elections, gen Z voters

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Speaker 2: have broken heavily for Democrats and blue states and provided

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Speaker 2: the party's solid margins and closely contested swing states. But

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Speaker 2: in red states with a few prominent exceptions, Podhorzer surprisingly

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Speaker 2: found that even gen Z voters are mostly supporting Republicans. Now,

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Speaker 2: when you dig into the data, first off, that does

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Speaker 2: not show that gen Z people are voting more for Republicans.

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Speaker 2: It's the opposite of that. The vast majority of them

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Speaker 2: are voting for Democrats, but in red states the number

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Speaker 2: and it's not finding in red states that gen Z

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Speaker 2: are more likely to support Republicans than previous generations. They

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Speaker 2: are more progressive than previous generations. They're just still majority

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Speaker 2: supporting Republicans in deep red states. Now again, if you

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Speaker 2: read that quote, it's also saying there are some red

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Speaker 2: states where gen z are voting overwhelmingly for Democrats, and

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Speaker 2: in purple states they are wildly progressive compared to previous generations.

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Speaker 2: It is, again the opposite of what that AI summary

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Speaker 2: is wondering how many lazy pundits are doing this because

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Speaker 2: they suck at shit and we're just like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: the Atlantic says they're more republican. It's like, no, if

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Speaker 2: you read the article, it does not say that. It's

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Speaker 2: a pretty good article.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and this is actually there's one thing I

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Speaker 1: want to mention about that polling data too, which is

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Speaker 1: that the twenty twenty two election was really weird because

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two election was supposed to be it

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be a red wave election, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: there actually was one, but it was it only happened.

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Speaker 1: It happened in deep red states. Yes, and it happened

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Speaker 1: in New York. And that that has to do with

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Speaker 1: the New York media market, which is part of also

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Speaker 1: why all these people's brains have been completely destroyed. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but I don't actually like it's actually genuinely unclear to

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Speaker 1: me that this is even predictive of how those same

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Speaker 1: people in deep red states are going to vote in

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Speaker 1: like the next like four to eight years, because that

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Speaker 1: was because again this this this, this was a mid

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Speaker 1: term election with a Democratic president. That is, when you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to have the opposition like win a bunch of

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Speaker 1: seats and stuff like that, and like it didn't go

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Speaker 1: the way it was supposed to and so and so

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually even that part is more is

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Speaker 1: more like even the tiny note of it where they're

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Speaker 1: like more like gen Z people voted Republicans, Like I,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't even know if that's gonna

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Speaker 1: hold in the long run now, but all of these

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Speaker 1: pun like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the fact that they probably are just reading.

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Speaker 2: AIS, Yeah, I wonder just like coming across that dog

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Speaker 2: shit suthing like just completely wrong, very funny, made me

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Speaker 2: feel a little bit better about the computers coming for us.

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Speaker 2: All made me feel a little bit worse about the

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Speaker 2: intelligence of pundits. But yeah, it's you know, and one

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Speaker 2: of the things that is kind of if you're concerned

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Speaker 2: about twenty twenty four. That is a worthwhile concern, and

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Speaker 2: that is a real problem is that while young people

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Speaker 2: are overwhelmingly progressive as voters, this is not evenly distributed

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Speaker 2: across the country, and a lot of the gains in

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Speaker 2: voters that progressives have seen are going to be clustered

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Speaker 2: in states that were already overwhelmingly blue, and when it

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Speaker 2: comes to an a presidential election, those are wasted votes, right,

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Speaker 2: And a lot like that this and this is a

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Speaker 2: problem that the Republicans dealt with a lot during the

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Speaker 2: Obama years, right where there would be massively more Republican voters,

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Speaker 2: but they would be clustered in these areas that dims

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Speaker 2: were never going to win, and so it didn't help

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Speaker 2: them electorally.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: That is kind of worth noting. It's potentially a thing.

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Speaker 2: Although a lot of the gains when people are freaking

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Speaker 2: out about like, oh, you know, Biden's numbers among non

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Speaker 2: white voters have gotten worse, that is probably true, almost

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Speaker 2: certainly true to some extent, But a lot of those

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Speaker 2: vote gains are clustered in areas that were so heavily

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Speaker 2: read it may not have any impact on the health.

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Speaker 4: Of all electorals.

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Speaker 2: The one.

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Speaker 1: The one place for that matter, actually does matter is Michigan, yesca.

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Speaker 1: And Michigan has his huge Muslim population who are unbelievably

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Speaker 1: pissed at Biden for you know, offering them the deal

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Speaker 1: We're going to murder your family and also you have

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Speaker 1: to vote for us, which is.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm not doing the Will Stancil thing and saying

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Speaker 4: there's nothing worry about. No, I'm saying there are places

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Speaker 4: where it does matter yere.

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Speaker 2: But like, yeah, yeah, it's unclear, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: what may be happen, well, a lot of what is

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Speaker 2: certainly happening, although this doesn't mean that there won't be

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Speaker 2: because I think there's a good chance there will be

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Speaker 2: an electoral impact. But a lot of what is objectively happening,

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Speaker 2: both on the left and the right, is increasing numbers

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Speaker 2: of voters who are in states that would never, never

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Speaker 2: going to be in play electoral Yeah, right, the electoral

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Speaker 2: college is bullshit, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like like I've I've lived in Illinois my entire life.

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Speaker 1: It is not possible for me to cast a vote

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Speaker 1: that matters. Yeah, Like it just isn't. It's just how

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Speaker 1: the system works, right, It's like it's a great great,

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Speaker 1: great job, great job.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he wrote the Constitution.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, Uh, I think that's that's about enough to

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Speaker 2: get into. I hope this has been edifying and useful

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Speaker 2: to people. Uh Mia, you got anything else to say

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Speaker 2: before we roll out here?

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Speaker 1: Uh Molotov twenty twenty four, just like Molotov twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, don't the Washington Post.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I want to close in the note that the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post editorial board managed to find the one socialist in

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Speaker 1: the entire US who's anti abortion maker, a stat maker,

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Speaker 1: a writer for them.

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Speaker 2: So last yeah, but who are you speaking for? Why

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Speaker 2: is it important that we have this voice of a

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Speaker 2: person like fucking hell?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: God, it's tiring. Speaking of tiring, I'm tired. So now

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Speaker 2: we're done. Goodbye.

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