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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the Beck del cast. Hey, Jamie, Hey, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: everything is absolutely fine with your health right now? Oh okay,

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Speaker 1: just just so you know, cool? Okay, Well that's not

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Speaker 1: suspicious at all. It's so and it's so interesting you

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Speaker 1: say that because I funny story. I used to tell

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Speaker 1: people that their health was fine and it it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It literally wasn't really, But when you tell it to me,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, makes sense. Yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 1: do you want to go to lunch? Yeah, let's go

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Speaker 1: to lunch. Okay, awesome, perfect Intra ten out of ten, amazing.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Beach. Del asked, I'm Jamie Loftus, I'm

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Durante, and this is our show where we examine

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Speaker 1: movies through an intersectional feminist lens. We promised that intro

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Speaker 1: is relevant to today's discussion, but if it weren't, that

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Speaker 1: would be really funny that I just opened every episode

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Speaker 1: just being like, Jamie, you're in good health, right, And

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Speaker 1: I was like, sorry, everyone, Caitlin is my doctor. She's

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Speaker 1: my pediatrician. I still go to my pediatrician and it's Caitlin.

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Speaker 1: How long did you go to your pediatrician? Um, my

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Speaker 1: pediatrician was also an adult doctor, Mark, So I did

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Speaker 1: go to That's just what they told to you. True.

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Speaker 1: eighteen years of my life. I went to the pediatrician

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Speaker 1: until I was twenty two, and he was like, you

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Speaker 1: I would never do that for you, Jamie. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. I want to be thirty and still at

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Speaker 1: my pediatric SIP, but some things just cannot be. Yeah, well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: so what is this podcast? What's happening? We use the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel test simply as a jumping off point to initiate

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Speaker 1: a larger conversation about representation in film. The Bechtel Test

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Speaker 1: being a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel,

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Speaker 1: sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test, and there are many

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Speaker 1: variations on the test. The one that we are using

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Speaker 1: these days requires that two named characters of any marginalized

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Speaker 1: gender speak to each other, and the conversation has to

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Speaker 1: be about something besides a man, and ideally it is

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Speaker 1: a meaningful plot, relevant narrative, really relevant conversation and not

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Speaker 1: just like here's your soup, okay, thanks, unless the soup

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Speaker 1: is unless it's like, unless the soup is poisoned, in

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Speaker 1: which case that is relevant. That is very important. Yeah, right, exactly,

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Speaker 1: so you know, there's there's their shades of gray. It's all.

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Speaker 1: It's all about the context and the subtext, you know,

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Speaker 1: the soup text. Um amazing, we have. We have an

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Speaker 1: incredible movie today. Popular request has been since the movie

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Speaker 1: was released. And equally, if not even more incredible guest

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Speaker 1: that I think, I think let's go. You're in like that,

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Speaker 1: we should like send you a jacket. At this point,

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Speaker 1: I think that you've entered jacket territory of how often

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Speaker 1: of our frequent guests jackets. Oh yes, and yeah, as

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Speaker 1: like like one of those, like like football jackets. Are

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Speaker 1: you cold, babe? And then you're like, but I want

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Speaker 1: letterman jacket, football jacket. Well, for you all, I am cold, babe.

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Speaker 1: of course, is comedian creator of Ohio and Let's Go,

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Speaker 1: To to start, I mean, there's just there's so much

420
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: to talk about here there. It's like I guess if

421
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: we start with Billy and like who she is as

422
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: a character, I mean, we like see her at the beginning,

423
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: like in this extremely American, like American millennial thing where

424
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: it's like she's in her late twenties and like struggling

425
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: as a writer and is applying for all these fellowships

426
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: and like struggling with any but doesn't want to talk

427
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: about it, and like all these very recognizable things, and

428
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: then and then for most of the movie, we're watching

429
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: her um kind of like straddle across. I mean, that's

430
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: the whole movie, as her straddling across the values of

431
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: two different cultures and like figuring out how she actually feels.

432
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: It's cool. I feel like there's not a lot of

433
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: not a lot of movies, especially mainstream movies, UM like

434
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: this that like even addressed that at all, even though

435
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: it's a very common, uh, a very common thing. Yeah,

436
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: is this considered mainstream? You think? I guess I just

437
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: say mainstream because it got so much a word attention.

438
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't know. I

439
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: mean it's I was interested in, like because there was

440
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: a whole controversy about this movies, like during awards season

441
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: where it was like put in. I feel like this

442
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: happens all the time, where it was like put in

443
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: the Best Foreign Language Movie and there wasn't Yeah, at

444
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: at the Golden Globes and then in the at the

445
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: Academy Awards that they have different rules, and Lulu Wang

446
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: talked about it pretty extensively about um, you know, just

447
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: challenging those decisions and like challenging like this is an

448
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: American movie, it was made by an American, the you know,

449
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: the main character is an American. It's an American drama.

450
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: But the way the awards shows are built doesn't accommodate

451
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: a story like this, and like why is that? And

452
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's she gave a lot of really

453
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: interesting interviews that kind of like challenge just I mean,

454
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: and that's been fortunately, I think like a lot of

455
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: the last couple of years is just challenging what a

456
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: shit show and how like extremely rigidly white movie award

457
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: shows are. And I vaguely remember that being a discussion

458
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: when when this movie was in the awards season. But

459
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: reading the interviews and depth was really interesting. Yeah. Right,

460
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: it's like what it has to be English spoken or

461
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: something for I think Golden Globes or something. Um, I

462
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: do remember that just because it happened again this year,

463
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: right um with Minari Right Yeah, where it just seems

464
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: like those categories like need to be revisited and just

465
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: they need to be modernized basically a new test, a

466
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: new test. Well because maybe like y'all's goal is to

467
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: like one day where the Bechdel Test isn't needed anymore,

468
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: right or I don't know. I want your podcast to

469
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: keep going. I mean I feel like as I mean

470
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: even like between the time the show started and now

471
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: it's like to come, I mean, not that representation has

472
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: gotten so wildly better, but it has, like I proved,

473
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: in the last five years. I think she has been

474
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: for five goddamn years. No, yeah, well that's why. Like,

475
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: but there's so many films to like we visit from

476
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: like decades ago and stuff, and so there's so many

477
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: more Shreks. I mean, stop it, there's a fifth one

478
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: on the way. How many? What? No? Stop, wait, there's

479
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: a fifth Shrek. Wait. I missed the fourth, and I

480
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: just found out about the third honestly talking to you

481
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: all today. Um, and and you you you went to

482
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: the fifth, So can you just tell me there there's kids?

483
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: Is it like about the kids now or something? They

484
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: start having kids? I think that's the third movie. There's

485
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: a new generation of Shreks. Yeah, okay, and then what

486
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: a Shrek forever after? I just remember going on a

487
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: date in high school Shrek forever after. Yeah, I've seen

488
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: up to Shrek three. I have not seen Shrek four.

489
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: There's also like spin off off. There's like a Puss

490
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: in Boots movie, which I skipped that one. True, Well,

491
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: that's your mistake. I thought it was a blast uh

492
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Shrek forever. After they break in Rumpels Stiltskin, it's I

493
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: vaguely remember this, Yeah, expand the universe. That's the the

494
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: guy who says riddles. I think he wants to steal

495
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: babies from people. So he's like, give me your I'll

496
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: spind you some gold, but you have to promise me

497
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: your first born. Or he's also like, what's my name?

498
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: What's my name? Kinky? Okay, here's what's my motherfucking name.

499
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell I'll tell you the story of Rumples Stiltskin

500
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: and then we'll get back to the farewell. Yeah, I

501
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't think I know this story, and it

502
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: sounds okay. So Rumpel's Stiltskin. There's like this young maiden

503
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: who so one's like we need someone to spin this

504
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: room full of hay into gold or something like that,

505
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: and she's like, I can do it, and she like

506
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: makes this promise that she can do it, but it

507
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: turns out she can. She's like, oh no, what I'm

508
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: gonna what am I gonna do with this room full

509
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: of hey or whatever? And then rumpel Stiltskin shows up

510
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: and he's like, guess what. I know how to spin

511
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: hay into gold, and I'll do it for you, but

512
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: you have to promise me your firstborn child. And she's like, sure,

513
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: that's fine, Skins that guy who takes your firstborn child's

514
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: and then okay, sorry, I just said he's the guy

515
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: that tells radels. That was Yeah, that's so. There's so

516
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: much more to it. There's more layers that I was missing.

517
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought he was like the Riddler there.

518
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: And then he's like he's like but he's like, if

519
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: you can guess my name, I won't. Okay, so wait,

520
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: but that doesn't happen yet, I don't think so she

521
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: so he gives are like the the hey gold or whatever,

522
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: and then I think a few other things happen, and

523
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: then she has a baby, and then rumble Stiltskin comes

524
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: to collect and he's like, give me your baby and

525
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: she's like, no, I made that promise and I didn't

526
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: mean it. Then he's like, well screw you. Uh, but

527
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: if you can guess my name I won't take your baby.

528
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: And then somehow she overhears him saying his name, and

529
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: then he comes to collect the baby again and she's like, no,

530
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: rumpel Stiltskin, you cannot have my baby. And he's like,

531
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: oh damn it, you knew my name. All right, I'll

532
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: leave now, And that's the story. Hold on, Okay, you

533
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: need to have me back for that. Please have me

534
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 1: back for this fifth Shrek. Okay, I take it back.

535
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: I really want to come back. Okay, Shrek. When did

536
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: Shrek five come at? Shrek five comes out? Wait? Why

537
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: won't they tell me we don't need to schedule it now?

538
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: But no, that was really you know. I was at

539
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: the edge of my seat. Isn't that a riveting story?

540
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: It comes out next year? I can hardly wait. What's

541
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: going to happen next? Oh? I already know because if

542
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: Shrek is having babies, right, maybe it's one of the

543
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: babies that tries to I don't know. Anyway, that's my guess. Well,

544
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: back to this movie, back to the farewell. Oh yeah,

545
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: we were talking about um awards and how they are

546
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: not these like prestigious awards, and how they are not

547
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: accommodating to stories like this, which is an American story

548
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: made by an American director, told from the point of

549
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: view of an American and even though a lot of

550
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: this movie takes place in another country and is in

551
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: a language other than English. But because a lot of awards,

552
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: like you said, cater to like white American, monolingual English

553
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: language centric stories, and they tend to forget that a

554
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of Americans are immigrants or come from immigrant families,

555
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: and or they speak languages besides English at home or

556
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: in their communities. And these are still very much American

557
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: stories featuring American characters. But these awards institutions treat these

558
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: movies like they're not. It's just like operates on a

559
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: really rigid version of like what being American is. That

560
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: like has not made sense for a really really long time. Yeah,

561
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: for sure, right, I just think, I mean, for me,

562
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: you know these rules the fifty thing, It just depends

563
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: on who's watching, because you know, people who make the

564
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean hill Billy elogy, I would contend as a

565
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: you know, foreign film for for me, you know what

566
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like if we had to go there, because

567
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't know the world, and you

568
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, but it doesn't make it not American.

569
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: Here I am defending it. You know, it doesn't not

570
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: make it American. They're just as American as we are,

571
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: and they deserve to be at the ceremonies. And so

572
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: it's like something I thought was like when I was

573
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: just doing research on the background of this movie, like

574
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, nothing like hits that point home clear

575
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: than the fact that like Chinese audiences were not very

576
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: interested in this movie. It made like three dollars in China,

577
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: and it seems like there's a whole Variety article on

578
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: it that will link in the description, but it seems

579
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: to boil down to the fact that this is like

580
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: a very culturally normal thing to do in China, and

581
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: so everyone was kind of like yes, so what, like

582
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: why is there a whole movie about this like very

583
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: normal thing where I feel like two Americans it's it

584
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: for for a lot of Americans, they just didn't know

585
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: that this was a cultural practice and that like you know,

586
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: watching an American character navigate it was like really compelling

587
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: and really interesting. Um so yeah, I mean it's not

588
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: news that award shows are like extremely out of touch

589
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: and racist and not up to date. In any way.

590
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: But there you go, what's the biggest, like your family member,

591
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: a family member has told you and then they were like, oh,

592
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: just kidding, Oh that's a good one, that's a good question.

593
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like my family was like

594
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: too honest with me, too young, and it had like

595
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: a different kind of negative impact. Where like when I

596
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: was seven or eight, my grandma told me and a

597
00:38:53,960 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: Mother's Day breakfast that my mom had had miscare ages,

598
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: like a ton of miscarriages before me, and that they

599
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 1: were they were angels following me around, and I got

600
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: really scared. Oh my god. But that was so that's

601
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: an example of like a super truthful statement that was

602
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: kind of scary. It was too real, too soon for

603
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: me anyways, Like because then I got scared that they

604
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: were like these teenage ghosts following me around, and it

605
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: it freaked me out. Oh my god, that is like

606
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: I like that their teenage ghosts and not like fetuses.

607
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: I imagined them at aging ghost in real time. I

608
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they'd be should be like fourteen fifteen.

609
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: So I like got kicked out of school for drawing

610
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: all these like ghosts. I was like, oh, these are

611
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: my dead brothers and sisters. They followed me around and anyways,

612
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 1: it was it was so too honest. Was my family's problems. Yeah,

613
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: my family didn't really. They didn't tell me outright lies.

614
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: It was more just about like, oh, like, I'll wait

615
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: till year older and then I'll tell you that I

616
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: had two abortions. This is my mom when I was

617
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: also abortions a lot of drama. My mom when I

618
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: was in my mid twenties. She's like, and it was

619
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: actually prompted by the death of my grandma. She was like, oh, no,

620
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to die sometimes, so I better tell my

621
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: children things that I want them to know before I die.

622
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: So that my mom called me and she's like, I

623
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: just want you to know. And this might, you know,

624
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: tarnish what you think of me. But I did have

625
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: two abortions before you and your siblings were born, and

626
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, that makes you way cooler than

627
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: I thought you were, so thanks for sharing. So yeah,

628
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: it was like more stuff like that. Um, but I

629
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: don't think I was like outright lied to about anything major. Yeah,

630
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: because she still told you. Oscar, did your family ever

631
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: tell you any like bizarro like lies when you were

632
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: when you were younger. Yeah, this was a big one. Um,

633
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: the Farewell. I connect to it not just because of

634
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: like cultural stuff or the grandma stuff, you know, but

635
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: a lot of it. Yeah, where it's like even like

636
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Aquafina's real life, she was raised by her grandma and

637
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: so was I. And um, I feel like there's a

638
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: lot of Asian Asian stories where it's there's a grandma.

639
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: If there's like a like if it's following a woman, Um,

640
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: I think like in Hustler to uh not not number two,

641
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean t o o um right Constance woose Grandma. Anyway,

642
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil that movie because yeah, I

643
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: know people aren't listening to get spoiled on Hustler right now.

644
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: But anyway, is it called was it called hustler hustlers?

645
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: Hustlers hustlers? I forgot about that detail. Yeah, that her her,

646
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: she's like part of the reason she's working at the

647
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: club is to support her grandma. I forgot about that. Yeah,

648
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: And um there's a grandma and fresh off the boat,

649
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: there's always a grandma. Um, I don't know they live

650
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: long um. Nor from Queen's Too She, which is loosely

651
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: based on Aquafina's life. But yeah, she yeah, lives with

652
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: her grandma. Yeah, but in my case for the farewell,

653
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: like I feel like I was, I wasn't like I

654
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: was the grandma in the grandma's position. My mom and

655
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: grandma lied about how long we were going to come

656
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: to the States for. They lied to me about They

657
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: said we were coming for a two month vacation, which

658
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: is I feel like a lot of undocumented immigrants, it's

659
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: a it's a thing the families say, we're just here

660
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: and then you just never leave, right Yeah. Yeah, and

661
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: so that, yeah, that was the main life. But I

662
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: didn't know at the you know, I didn't know for

663
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: a long time. Well I knew when I was like,

664
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: well it's been two months, y'all, and you know, our

665
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: tourist visas were only for two months long. And then

666
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: my grandma was like and then she enrolled me in school,

667
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: and suddenly I was in school. And then like a

668
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: year went by and you're like, I don't think this

669
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: is a too long as hell. The rest of our

670
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: stuff got shipped from Japan. But she still tried to

671
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: sit me down to tell me, like when I was

672
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: like seventeen, when I was trying to get my driver's license.

673
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to drive like the other kids.

674
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: And then she was like, oh, you can't because you

675
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: don't have a social Security number because you're undocumented. And

676
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I think I had a feeling.

677
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah I know, bitch, Yeah, I know. We overstated her visas.

678
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: I know. That's it was just wild that she still

679
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: felt the need to tell me the truth. So it

680
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: was like with withholding, but we never talked about it

681
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: because it was like maybe too painful for me. Missed

682
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: all my friends, I didn't really say I didn't say

683
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: by to them. I didn't say by to my dad

684
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: because I thought I was going back after some a

685
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: vacation and then, um, yeah, anyway, I love them. My

686
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: grandma still try to tell me that she lied to me.

687
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: Your grandma is iconic, she truly. I mean, she's a

688
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: social media star. She's she's a liar. That's why she's

689
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: um I mean. But that's why movies like this are

690
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: so important. That's why, you know, we say it all

691
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: the time, but why representation is important because they expose

692
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: audiences to cultures and communities and philosophies that some people

693
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: might not otherwise have much exposure to, so movies like

694
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: this can be like an educational tool. Like the first

695
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: time I watched this movie, similar to Billy, I was

696
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: astonished that the characters would choose not to tell a

697
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: family member that she was dying. But then later when

698
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: different characters explained to Billy about how they're carrying the

699
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: burden for her, because in Eastern philosophy there's a greater

700
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: emphasis on a person's role in a group and how

701
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: they are part of a larger whole, while Western and

702
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: American culture is all about the individual and you know,

703
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: like picking yourself up by your bootstraps and stuff. And

704
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, like I totally get that now,

705
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just thought it was really cool that

706
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: one of the major themes of this movie was the

707
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: exploration of these cultural and ideological differences, and I thought

708
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: Lulu Wang handled that all very thoughtfully. I think the

709
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: only thing that the only way they could have made

710
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: Billy more American and this was if she then went

711
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: on to tell it on This American Life where like podcast,

712
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: because that, you know, it's just that's a very American

713
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: thing to do, you know, to be like, well, my

714
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: story needs to be heard, Well, my grandma's story needs

715
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: to be heard NPR or you know whatever, or like

716
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start, I'm gonna do stand up comedy and

717
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell this story on stage. That kind

718
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: of is like the full circle where it's like us

719
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: giving you all this information and educating you and all

720
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 1: this stuff, and then it's like, but ultimately my story

721
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: must be told. Yes, I think that would be actually

722
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: like that's my only note. Uh yeah, the scenes where

723
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of scenes in this movie

724
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: where that cultural differences between the US and China are

725
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: hit on, and they kind of like when I was

726
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: watching it back, I was like, oh, they kind of

727
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: cover like a lot of ground tier where um, I mean,

728
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: there's like the most obvious plat point is the fact

729
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: that Billy is really off put and kind of like

730
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: freaked out at first by the idea of withholding information

731
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: from her grandma about her own health. And they literally

732
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: they're they're like in America, this is illegal, and like

733
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: that's why she's struggling with it. Um, And then I

734
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: like that scene with her with her uncle where he

735
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: like he lays it out pretty clearly says we're not

736
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: telling nine night because it's our duty to carry this

737
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: emotional burden for her and watch how how that like

738
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: affects Billy and how that like changes her to an

739
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: extent but not but like not entire I don't know.

740
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: It felt realistic where it was like, well, she's not

741
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: going to unlearn her entire American her entire this American

742
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: life in one trip, but like she does, she does

743
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 1: understand it better, and it's like, I don't know, taking

744
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: that journey with her was really interesting. But then there's

745
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: like conversations at the dinner table about college and about

746
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: like career decisions and like choosing a career of passion

747
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: for less money versus like something that will guarantee you

748
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: becoming rich, and like they're just having these debates over

749
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: dinner a lot that I was like, Oh, this is

750
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's so seamless in the way

751
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: that the movie runs that I didn't even like, I

752
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: don't know. I was watching it the second time, I

753
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they're like lu lu wang is covering

754
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: a lot of ground here, and like stuff that isn't

755
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: even necessarily plot relevant, but it's still kind of fits

756
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: into the conversation yeah, because I mean this major theme

757
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: the whole movie kind of hinges on is this idea

758
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: of like the duality of Billy's like culture and identity

759
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, she has Chinese heritage, but she's

760
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: ultimately raised as an America in with American ideology and

761
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: just like grappling with that. And that's such a relatable

762
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: experience for especially like first generation Americans, and there's just

763
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of movies that explore that. So

764
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: it's just really cool to see. Yeah, I guess the

765
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: like it's fully americanized version would be I guess they

766
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: all just tell the grandma at Thanksgiving or something, yea

767
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: dinner and they all like tell her, or like one

768
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: person tells her, right yeah, and then um, I don't know,

769
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 1: I don't know that version, you know what I'm saying.

770
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: I actually don't know what that version would be because

771
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: that's not how my family operates either. My family is

772
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: like more like secrets. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to picture.

773
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just like a close elder family

774
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: member of mind. They would just they would be the

775
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: ones to find out that they were dying, like from

776
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: the doctor directly. Oh oh, that's true. My grandfather has

777
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: been sick for a really long time, but like there

778
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: was never like he just is always no, they're just like, yeah, man,

779
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:25,479
Speaker 1: you're ninety two. Oh you know what. Yes, that makes

780
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: me think, you know, maybe like the more American thing

781
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: is which makes me really sad actually is like people

782
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: like suffer quietly, like they're the ones that are dealing

783
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: with it. And maybe so the secret would be that

784
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: like the person with the ailment or illness doesn't want

785
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: to tell their family. Maybe they don't want to Yeah,

786
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: actually that is I feel like I've seen a lot

787
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: of American movies like that where someone knows that they're sick,

788
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: they are withholding that information from their family because they

789
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: don't want to burden their family with it. And it's yeah,

790
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: so I wonder how much that has to do with

791
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: like americanized healthcare too, where like there's you know, all

792
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: these stories about people who are sick but like can't

793
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: afford for all these horrible but I can't afford to

794
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: treat their own illness, and so they just don't talk

795
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: about it because they're like, well what else am I

796
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: going to do? Or like that the burden being not

797
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: even emotional but like financial Like there, I've I've had

798
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: family members that I didn't want their family to like

799
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: go broke, you know, treating it illness, and so they

800
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: just didn't mention the illness. Wow, we're fucked. Yeah, and

801
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: then instead they go and do like a bucket list.

802
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: I feel like that's another movie. I think it's called that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

803
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: They're like, well, I'm gonna go um like jet skiing.

804
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's something I haven't done. Something I don't know.

805
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Am I making up movies? That movie? Market Freeman and

806
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson not gonna watch it? I don't know. I

807
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: bet it starts with a cancer diagnosis something like yeah,

808
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, let's go. Do you want to come back?

809
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: When we talk about that movie, does we even work?

810
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: Are there even even any isn't it just men in

811
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: the movie? Isn't it just the two of them? I

812
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: think it's just the boys on the road trip. But

813
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: those are those are some fun movies because we can

814
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: just talk about toxic masculinity the whole time, just based

815
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: on Okay, First of all, the poster for this movie

816
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: is so bizarre. It's uh, Morgan Freeman, which he's got

817
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: his arm around Jack Nicholson. Jack Nicholson's holding a glass

818
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: of champagne. There's there's three pictures. One of them is

819
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: them at the Egyptian Pyramids. There's a picture. There's a picture.

820
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: There's a picture of them about to jump out of

821
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: a plane together. And there's a picture of them on

822
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: a motorcycle together. But you can tell on the poster

823
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: that all of the pictures are photoshopped. So I have

824
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: no idea what's going on in this movie at all,

825
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: but like, they're not at the Pyramids here, and they're

826
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: not on a motorcycle together. It has on rotten tomatoes,

827
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: so we obviously it's an urgent. There's an urgent need

828
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: to cover this movie. I want to know what happens

829
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: at the Pyramids, so yeah, I'll probably check it out. Well,

830
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: I just want to know if they actually if they

831
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: go and just take a picture outside of it, like

832
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: because that's yeah, or did they think you know? Anyway?

833
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: Hard to say, only one way to find out. Let's

834
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we'll come back for

835
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: a more discussion. And we're back. Uh, let's talk about

836
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: a little bit more about nine Night and and her

837
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: relationship with I feel like usually what we have older

838
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: characters in movies at all. There's so many tropes attached

839
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: to Grandma characters that are avoided by this movie, just

840
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: like because the movie is never punching down at her

841
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: and we just get to know more about her, Like

842
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: she has like complicated history and backstory, and I liked that, Like,

843
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, you're introduced to her as like, oh, she's

844
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: like this really you know, charismatic matriarch and we love

845
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: her and she's great, but then you also see scenes

846
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: where she's kind of being an asshole to people. You

847
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: see scenes where you know, you find out that she

848
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: has also like engaged with this lie before. Like you

849
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: just get this whole backstory for her, and you see

850
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: all these sides of her that I feel like you

851
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: don't usually get for for older characters in family movies

852
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: at all. Definitely, Yeah, we talked recently on an episode

853
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: that might not have come out yet, but just the

854
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: grandma character in a lot of movies is basically there

855
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: as a joke or that they're there to like generate

856
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: comedy because everyone's like, oh, Grandma doing a grandma thing again,

857
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: or oh Grandma, Grandma forgot something, or Grandma couldn't hear

858
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: you or something like that, just like that string of

859
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: fetty white rolls from like the late two thousand's. Is

860
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: there a Grandma test? Is there? We shouldn't know, but

861
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: we should be a Grandma test. If there's a Grandma

862
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: in the movie, does she just is she just there

863
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: for comic relief or does she have like a role

864
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: in this story? Oh, we were talking about it in

865
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: our Knives Out episode. Yes, yes, yes, So that's coming

866
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: out right around now on the Matreon. Yeah, because that's

867
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: a movie that does adhere to that trope of like

868
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: Grandma isn't aware of her surroundings and Grandma doesn't know anything,

869
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: so Grandma dies, That should be part of the test.

870
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: She died so bleak. And this one, this one would

871
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: almost you would think it would fail the test, but

872
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: then at the end it doesn't fail the test because

873
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: she lives. Well, that's mostly to protect potential viewers hearts emotions.

874
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: I really do feel like I wish I could have

875
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: gone in to this movie knowing that she was okay,

876
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: because you just have I mean maybe I'm sure that's

877
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: a part of it, but we're like being filled with

878
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: that dread the whole movie and just like, no, I

879
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: love her, don't. And then at the end of like

880
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: and She's fine, You're like, oh, okay, great, Yeah, I'm like, well,

881
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: show me thirty more minutes of actual footage of her,

882
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: because they showed some. They showed some, but I was like,

883
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: show me more, show me more. Where's the sequel? Yeah,

884
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: she's still alive. Yeah, but what I can tell she's

885
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: still alive or she she was alive at the time

886
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: this movie came out, So I hope, I hope she

887
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: used to be. Well. I feel like if she died,

888
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: Lulu Waiting would tell us. I don't know. Maybe I'm

889
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: like maybe that, maybe I'm being a para social relationship,

890
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: like maybe I'm just like she'd tell me. But I'm like,

891
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't know her. She could lie to us. I

892
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: don't know. That's I mean, you know so far, you know,

893
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, she did participate in that one line, so

894
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: that's true. Wow, I don't know she could you know?

895
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: Part two? Who knows? But she's gonna tease us. She's

896
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: gonna like shoot it a block like in l a

897
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: where we can all see it. She's gonna shoot it

898
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: right in Los Angeles wherever you know most of the

899
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: farewell fans are or something and be like, I guess

900
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: what we're filming. You'll never know, But Aquafina is in

901
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: it and the same actress who played her grandma, she

902
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: would do that to it. Who's who is amazing too?

903
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: I I looked up her history. She was Jen and

904
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: she she was, like I guess, a famous theater actress

905
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: in China and hadn't ever done a film role and

906
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: this is like her first film role. But she was

907
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: like a theater icons like, Oh that's so cool. Yeah, nine,

908
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: I is so interesting because I feel like she I

909
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how to like there should be

910
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: like a word to describe this, and maybe it exists

911
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know what it is, but like she

912
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: has these qualities that are like characteristic of her generation,

913
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: but it isn't like over the top, and she does

914
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: like compromise with Billy about it, where she like says, oh,

915
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: what are you going to get married? You need someone

916
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: to take care of you, and Billy pushes back and

917
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: she's like I can take care of myself and fine,

918
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: and then she brings up like nine I has this

919
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: like boyfriend's question mark, who's just like, who is kind

920
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: of trash? And nine I was like whatever, Mr Lee,

921
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: he's just here um and Billy's like, well, what about

922
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: your trash boyfriend? And nine I was like I see

923
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: your point. I see your point. I just the moments

924
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: like that with them is so are so fun. And

925
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: then nine I comes around because later at the wedding,

926
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: they're are a group of a few older men who

927
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: asked Billy like, oh, are you married, and she's like

928
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: not yet, and then nine I jumps in and she's

929
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: like no career first, like she I feel like, you know,

930
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: she's she's becoming a feminist icon. I didn't even realize

931
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: those things. I think I overlooked that. That's cool because

932
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: all I heard was like doctor, are you married yet?

933
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: And I think I just like, for some reason turned

934
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: it off in my head. But yeah, that's cool that

935
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: it was more, it was more layered. Actually, yeah, they

936
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: learned from each other. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm just

937
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: like maybe I have my own test where I'm like,

938
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's my people, so I get like maybe protective,

939
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: where I'm like no, I every Grama asked about you know,

940
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: marriage or doctors, you know, like, well, I want to

941
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: do that um, but you know that's not lu lose fault.

942
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean that's also a thing that a lot of

943
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: white grandma's do where they're always asking you about if

944
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: you're married yet, but then they also talk about so

945
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: many other things. You know, it's just that's not what's shown.

946
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah. I like how that those two characters,

947
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: like they both kind of compromise where I feel like

948
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: it would have been like a really easy thing to

949
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: be like Billie is like no, Grandma, you need to

950
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: like think like an American and do like and it

951
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: just and then it becomes kind of like propaganda eat

952
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: like Western propaganda stuff. But they like listen to each

953
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: other and they kind of like meet in the middle

954
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: in a way that feels like, oh this this feels

955
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: like a healthy family relationship. It was cool. Yeah, And

956
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: I like that that and that it might be in

957
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: that same wedding scene where those other guys are at

958
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 1: the table with him, but you find out a little

959
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: more about nine night where there's this like a guy

960
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: that's been like holding up how do you holding a

961
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: flame for her for like fifty years where he's like, yeah,

962
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, I really wanted to marry you and like

963
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: all this like you know that like where he's just

964
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: talking about how he's like I love you. It's like

965
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: she's like, sorry, I'm with Mr Lee now and I

966
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: hate him. Sorry I have everyone's none of us like him.

967
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: We don't know why he's here. He's a mystery. So

968
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: he really I wonder if that's pulled from from real

969
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: life because he was he was he was a wild card.

970
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: I feel like so much of it is Lulu Wing's

971
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: real life were just inspired by details from her and

972
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: her family's life. Because, for example, the person who plays

973
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: nine e sister in the movie is nine eyes reels

974
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: like Lulu Wings her great aunt. Yeah that's so. That

975
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: wasn't like a trained actor or anything. That was just

976
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: she put her great on in the movie in the

977
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: same role. High level secrets are being kept. That's the

978
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: way to keep it secret, way to make it harder. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

979
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: so many somebody, well Cardela did the issue in the

980
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: grandma's house too, at some point you actual house while

981
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: she was sleeping. Maybe they have like the relationship between

982
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 1: Billy and her mom to like, I don't know, there's

983
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: so many like different, very specific family relationships that like

984
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: you don't always get a lot of time with them,

985
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: but they feel like the dynamics are really well written

986
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: and clear, where like Billy is definitely served with nine Night.

987
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: Then she is with her mom, and her mom is

988
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: like a little I don't even know how to like.

989
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: She's just like less emotionally expressive and is very like practical,

990
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: like I do what I have to do and I'm

991
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: not gonna like she she kind of like pokes at

992
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: Billy for like crying, and she's like, well, I'm not

993
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: just going to cry about stuff like you do. I

994
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: was like, okay, Mom, but you also like I don't know,

995
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the I feel like that the mom.

996
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: When this movie came out, like Aquafina's performance and Jao

997
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: Sujin's performance were so I mean, like rightfully so um spotlighted.

998
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: But I thought the actress who played the mom was

999
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: so good and like deserved more of a shout out.

1000
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: Her name is Diana Lynne, and I really like like

1001
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: she is like dealing with having an alcoholic husband in

1002
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: a way that doesn't really take over the story but

1003
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: is like clearly a reality that she just else like

1004
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: I just have to deal with this. There's no point

1005
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: in expressing emotion about it. This is just what it is,

1006
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: um and and has like these differences with her daughter

1007
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: that keep coming up of differences on how they're grieving,

1008
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: differences on how they view America, where like the mom

1009
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: there's like that story about the church key thing where

1010
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: they just view the US very differently. And I don't know,

1011
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: I just I liked I liked all of her story beats.

1012
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: It felt like she was a very fleshed out character

1013
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: that kind of I don't know, I just really liked her. Yeah,

1014
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: And then Akwafine is like, Mom, that church is not

1015
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: representative of all of America, right, But yeah, I mean

1016
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: like the relationships and the characters in this movie, Yeah,

1017
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: they're like, we just really well developed and they feel

1018
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: very authentic. And it's obviously because they're based on real people.

1019
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: Because I feel like in a lot of movies where

1020
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: there's like, for example, a really tropy grandma character or

1021
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: like a really trophy mother daughter relationship, they are written

1022
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: by people who are basing those characters off of tropes

1023
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: they saw in other movies, where like rather than like

1024
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: basing them off of character like off of real people,

1025
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: It's like this whole like tropes beget more tropes kind

1026
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: of thing where some writers are like, well, I'm writing

1027
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: a movie with a grandma character in it, and this

1028
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: is how I've seen other grandma's depicted in movies, so

1029
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: I'll just write that it is. I mean, it's like,

1030
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: I I totally agree with you, and you really can

1031
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: tell when there's like an authentic experience behind it and

1032
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: when it's uh, particularly male writers writing out mother daughter relationships,

1033
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes come off as super just dis

1034
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: an end of like is this how you think your

1035
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: family talks when you're not around? Sir? Right? Yeah? Yeah,

1036
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: And I mean lu Luang is just like such a

1037
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: good distinct writer and it just feels very very natural

1038
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. Like you said, like when the writers

1039
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: basing things off of their real lived experiences and the

1040
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: real people in their lives, like, it's no wonder that

1041
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: you get these rich, authentic characters and situations like you

1042
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: see in The Farewell. It's true. Um. And then another

1043
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: scene I wanted to talk about was where they're looking

1044
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:47,479
Speaker 1: for Billy's cousin's future his wife's hearing and Billy has

1045
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: a breakdown because she's again she's been grappling with this

1046
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: dilemma of like, I really think that we should tell

1047
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: nine I that she's ill, and everyone else keeps being like, no, no, no,

1048
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: under no circumstances will we do that, and it's weighing

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01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: on her emotionally. And then she tells this kind of

1050
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: childhood story of how she before her family immigrated to

1051
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: the US, she would spend summers with her grandma and

1052
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: grandpa and he was sick and no one, no one

1053
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: told him that he was sick, and no one told

1054
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: little Billy that he was sick. So that like after

1055
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: they went to the US and he died, and then

1056
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: when they would go back to visit, he wasn't there anymore.

1057
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: And how like confusing and tragic that was because she

1058
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: never had the opportunity to say goodbye. And when she was,

1059
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, like her early life in the US, she

1060
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: was scared and confused. And she saw that same kind

1061
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: of frightened look on her mother's face, and you know,

1062
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: they're just like kind of explaining all of those emotions

1063
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: and her mom is like, yeah, it was difficult for

1064
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: us too, and just that kind of whole experience, and

1065
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: like the performance that Aquafina is giving in that scene

1066
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: is just like, oh, that part it really got me

1067
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 1: because it was like, well, but different kind of story.

1068
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was like like I still think about

1069
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: Japan even though it's not my home anymore, but it's

1070
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: such a harsh realization where it's like and I think

1071
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: I was always scared. I always had like separation anxiety.

1072
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: My grandma would be like, well, you've got to be

1073
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,560
Speaker 1: independent soon now, you know. And but it's because, like

1074
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: grandmother tell me, we were going to stay here. So

1075
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: I didn't say bye to my friends when I went

1076
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: back to Japan. When I finally could, they were no

1077
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: longer my friends. They had moved on. You know. When

1078
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: I finally got my green quarter, I could leave the

1079
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: country legally. Yeah, that part I was like, oh my god. Um.

1080
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean not to make it about me, but you

1081
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: know what an American thing to do. Well, I am

1082
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: on a pod casts, so like, you know, I do

1083
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: want to I do want to talk about Aqua fee

1084
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: as great performance, but also my my life. So what

1085
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: about my performance just on this podcast? I mean, you're

1086
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: doing great. Yeah, we should have done we should have

1087
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: done Shrek. No, No, I'm just kidding. Have we talked

1088
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: to about her dad at all. I don't know how.

1089
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so, just that he seems to maybe

1090
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: be struggling with alcoholism. Oh that was the moment with

1091
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: nine eight where I was like, nine eight, what are

1092
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: you doing? Where she like super contradicts herself in a

1093
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: way that I was like really feeling for Billy's mom

1094
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: in that moment where like when they first arrived, nine

1095
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: is like, hey, is he drew sinking again? Like we

1096
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: really need to be careful and that he's not drinking

1097
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: too much, and then like a half hour later he's

1098
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: drinking too much and Billy's mom was like, hey stop

1099
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: and nine I was like, let him drink and let

1100
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: him Oh my god, why do you Literally my grandma

1101
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: used to do that with my dad and not good.

1102
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: Not good. Yeah, I forget. What's she going through something?

1103
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: Is that why she changed her mind or she just

1104
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: did that? I couldn't tell. I thought that that was

1105
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: like an interesting character moment for her, where like I

1106
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: feel like she has kind of like a shiny halo

1107
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: for a lot of the movie, and in that moment,

1108
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're being a like you're being meat to

1109
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: Billy's mom, Like why why? I think it was just

1110
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: like the wedding coming up, and it was like cause

1111
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: for celebration, and she keeps being like, well, this is

1112
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: the first time, like we've all been together as a

1113
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: family in like twenty five years or something, so like

1114
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:00,759
Speaker 1: let's enjoy ourselves. And I was like, but what about yesterday, Nina,

1115
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: you said this literally yesterday anyways? Um, but yeah, the

1116
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: the actor who plays Billy's dad is see Ma, who

1117
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: I've seen in a bunch of stuff, Like he's an

1118
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: iconic character actor. He did an amazing job everyone just

1119
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: the I mean, I remembered him. I was like, oh,

1120
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: the guy from Arrival. He's recovered that pretty recently right away. So,

1121
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the performances in this movie all

1122
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: around are incredible, including from people who are not actors, uh,

1123
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: such as like Lulu Wang's great aunt. I would not

1124
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: have guessed that, Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed that she

1125
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a professionally trained actor, right. I wonder who else

1126
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: the bride did she have lines? I forget. I feel

1127
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,839
Speaker 1: like she didn't get to say much, right, she barely

1128
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: said anything. I think I'm going I'm looking on IMDb

1129
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: and the cast of the movie of the Ones that

1130
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: have photos of themselves next to their name, those are

1131
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: like more established actors, and the people who do not

1132
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: have photos next to their name, I'm guessing they are

1133
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: not really established or trained actors. And I would say

1134
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:29,799
Speaker 1: like half of the cast are not necessarily trained famous

1135
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: of actors at all. So um, but it's that's just

1136
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: a testament to like Lulu Wang's directing skills and how

1137
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: she's able to get such good performances out of people

1138
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: who are not necessarily trained actors. So this is awesome. Yeah,

1139
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: what else? Any other thoughts about the movie for me? Really? Yeah?

1140
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: I liked the Um, let me see if I had

1141
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: anything else in the I liked this scene where they

1142
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: mourned the grandfather. That was just like learning moment for me.

1143
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: I didn't No, Um, hey, everybody post episode, Jamie and Caitlin,

1144
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: why wasn't fully aware of this? Uh when we were

1145
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: recording the episode, but I wanted to make sure it

1146
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: was acknowledged. Um. Aquafina has been criticized repeatedly over the

1147
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: years for appropriating black aesthetics, starting with her early rap career. Uh.

1148
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: It is, to my knowledge, not something she's ever addressed publicly,

1149
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: but I uh and it, and it doesn't really apply

1150
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: in the movie The Farewell, But that has been kind

1151
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: of some of the nature of the criticism, where she

1152
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: appropriates black aesthetics in certain roles and then in other

1153
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: roles doesn't, And so it becomes pretty clear what's being done.

1154
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: She is not the only person to have done this.

1155
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 1: There are I mean, there's a huge history in music

1156
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,560
Speaker 1: and movies and TV of doing this. But I just

1157
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: wanted to uh share for context this, uh this quote

1158
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: and what will link this in the description of the

1159
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: episode as well. This is an opinion piece from the

1160
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 1: Duke Chronicle from last year. Uh. The piece called on

1161
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: Aquafina appropriation and Asian American identity by a writer named

1162
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: Hannah Mao. I hope I'm saying that correctly, and uh

1163
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: here is the kind of summary of of of what

1164
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: the pieces about she says. Quote. Many have rightly criticized

1165
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: Aquafina for rising to start them through an appropriation of

1166
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 1: black aesthetics. From her viral rap song My Vade to

1167
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: her breakout role as peklin Go in Crazy Rich Asians,

1168
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: Aquafina has made a career out of performing a caricatured

1169
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: version of blackness, co opting African American vernacular English, a

1170
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: ve speaking in a quote unquote black scent and playing

1171
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: characters that could be interpreted as minstrel esque. Aquafina has

1172
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: a worn blackness like a costume, putting it on when

1173
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: it commercially rewards her in Crazy Rich Asians and Oceans Eight,

1174
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: and taking it off when it does not, like in

1175
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: The Farewell and her newest project Nora from Queens. Uh.

1176
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,520
Speaker 1: It's a really good piece. We'll link it that discusses

1177
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: other entertainers who have have done similar things, but I

1178
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: just wanted to acknowledge it in in this episode as well.

1179
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jeney. Yeah, I think that's that's kind of

1180
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: all I had. I just like that, like you see

1181
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: a like a ton of different like relationships between women

1182
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: from different generations. I feel like it's already like a

1183
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: super rare thing to see like written thoughtfully in movies,

1184
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 1: especially between like Billy, her mom and nine and I

1185
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 1: like three women with different perspectives on a lot of

1186
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: stuff and watching them like navigate life but still really

1187
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: care about each other even when like especially with Billy

1188
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: and her mom, like could not be more different, but

1189
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: like are both coming from like very understandable genuine places.

1190
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I love I love a

1191
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: movie with multiple generations of women, um, disagreeing on things.

1192
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: So I think that's just a genre that I like.

1193
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: Hashtag relatable Yeah, same yeah, hashtag a living it. Um.

1194
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: One of my favorites was Great Gardens. Oh my god,

1195
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 1: when you said when you said, yeah, different generations of

1196
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: women disagreeing with each other, you know, having to like

1197
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: figure it out together. Yeah, and they're kind of they're

1198
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: kind of codependent. We gotta I'm like, I know it's

1199
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's a documentary, but we should maybe just

1200
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 1: cover I was living Steel Magnolias. It's like all about

1201
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: women get a good fight, like in in understandable, like

1202
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: not baseless conflict, just like because because then because then

1203
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: I feel like you just get like real acting performances,

1204
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's very exciting. Um. Anyways, I don't have

1205
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: any more notes. I'm excited to see what Lulu Wang

1206
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: does next to I know that she's got science fiction

1207
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: e project in the works right now that I'm like,

1208
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't know much about, but it sounds pretty interesting.

1209
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: And I just hope that you know that because this

1210
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: was like the movie that like really launched her career,

1211
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: that she'll you know, get to make a bunch of

1212
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: cool ship and like, uh, get the kind of blank

1213
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 1: check treatment that we see with a lot of white

1214
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: guy directors, because like she's super talented, she's got like

1215
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see her work in a different

1216
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: genre too. I was like, Oh, what is a Lulu

1217
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: wait sci fi movie gonna look like? Yeah, totally. Oh,

1218
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: I hope it shoots a block away from my house.

1219
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, whatever it is, I want to get

1220
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: a peek. I just want to peek. What if you

1221
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: get cast to be the star or I'll just like

1222
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: being in the background. I don't care. I'll just like

1223
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: point out, point out whatever, like the scary thing is.

1224
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just assuming there's a scary thing. I

1225
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: mean probably that's that's where the side comes in. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

1226
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: Um well, the movie does definitely pass the Bechdel test

1227
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: a lot. Billy. I think there are probably more conversations

1228
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: between Billy and nine I than any other combination. I

1229
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 1: didn't like track this scientifically, but um yeah billion billion,

1230
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: her mom billion and we didn't talk about her her aunt,

1231
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: but Billy and her aunt talk quite a bit as well. Yeah,

1232
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: I like, men are definitely present in this story, but

1233
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 1: like not not overwhelmingly. So they're they're there and they're

1234
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: and they're emoting to their yeah yeah men. Yeah, it's

1235
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: just like a really beautiful family dynamic that we're seeing,

1236
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: where like different family members disagree for different reasons. Some

1237
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: of them are cultural reasons, some of them are just

1238
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: because they have different personalities. Like, it's just very emblematic

1239
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: of how families work, and yeah, this is just like

1240
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: a very relatable story about complicated family dynamics, which is

1241
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: something that everyone can relate to, because, like I think

1242
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: there's a tendency for American Hollywood like movie studios to assume, like, oh, well,

1243
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 1: this has an all Asian cast and they're not speaking

1244
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: English most of the time, so there's no way this

1245
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: would appeal to American audiences because there's just so much

1246
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: bias when it comes to what studios and like your

1247
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: big onlywood gatekeeper people think audiences will and won't relate to.

1248
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 1: But this movie and many movies like it are just

1249
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 1: very human stories that do have a wide appeal because

1250
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: because we're all people. Unless yeah, unless you're Mr Lee,

1251
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: unless do literally, and then for some reason, you're you're

1252
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: just come of the earth. Yeah, didn't even I just checked.

1253
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: Mr Lee didn't even make the poster. It's the only

1254
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: character that didn't make the poster. Yeah, so we'll figure

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Speaker 1: that out. Justice for Mr Lee, figure it out. Where's

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01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: his spin off? Maybe he'll pop up in Shrek five.

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Speaker 1: We don't know, he's gonna be the lead of the

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01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: sci fi movie that. Yeah, it's a whole sci fi

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01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: story where he's like a cyborg. Yeah. Uh. And then

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Speaker 1: as far as our nipple scale, which is our scale

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01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: of zero to five nipples based on examining the movie

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01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: through an intersectional feminist lens, hmm. I didn't have like

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Speaker 1: a bad thing to say about this movie, so it's

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Speaker 1: obviously going to get a high nipple rating. I'm picking. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to withhold this information for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the episode. No, I don't know. I'm just like,

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01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: I feel like we just recorded an episode earlier today

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Speaker 1: where we gave the movie five nipples, and I'm like,

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: wait a minute, am I about to give two movies

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01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: in a row five nipples? Yeah? Makes you feel unsure,

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01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: It makes me feel unsure. But I mean just based

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Speaker 1: everything we've talked about in terms of the way the

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01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: women are characterized, the way just the family dynamics are characterized,

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Speaker 1: the relationships, the exploration of Billy's characters experience, and the

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01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:22,560
Speaker 1: dilemma that she's feeling based on this like duality of

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01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 1: her cultures. I don't know. I think it's like again,

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01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't have any criticism. I'm getting so impatient. Jamie's like, you,

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01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: you can give two fives one day. I know, but

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01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm just like, it's so rare to give five nipples

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01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: that I'm like, this, is this a mistake. We've been

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01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: covering too many good movies, is our problem. We keep

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01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: choosing these movies that are really good, which is why

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01:22:55,560 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 1: we need to cover Shrek four guarantee. It's what if

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01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: it is five? Though? What if we were like rumpled

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01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: Stilts can move me to tears? Yeah yeah? Or or

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01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: wait for um Mr Lee strikes back ulus Yeah response

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Speaker 1: to the Farewell the sci fi movie, Um yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get five nipples and I will distribute them

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01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: to Lu lu Wang Shao shu Jin, who plays nine,

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01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: I to Diana Lynn, who plays Blais, mom to the

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01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:43,759
Speaker 1: great aunt whose name is lu hang just everyone. Also,

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: I go who plays the the bride, who's just for

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01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: the bread. She's just trying to figure out what's happening

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01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: the whole. She doesn't speak Mandarin, so she does not

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01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: know what anyone is saying. I mean, honestly, I would

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01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: be like, so pissed that the boy my boyfriend or

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01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 1: my fiance. Right, why isn't he translating for her? Yeah?

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01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: I would be like, why do you Like, I can't

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01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: believe you're making me do this. I don't you know,

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01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 1: I don't have to like I'm a whole person. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where's her spinoff movie? That's another moment where nine I

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01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: is an asshole where she's like I hate this girl.

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01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: She doesn't know what's going on, and and Billy is like, yeah,

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01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: she has no idea what anyone is saying, and Nine

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01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 1: I was like anyway, like I know, And she's like,

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01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't even want to get married to him. Maybe

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01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: maybe not even anymore? You know what I'm saying. Right,

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01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: the whole the wedding is is like a sham just

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01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: to get everyone together. So I would break up with

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01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: him after all this whole thing. I would I would

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01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: be like, you made me you made me like forced,

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Speaker 1: get forced into a marriage and like go through all

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Speaker 1: that family drama. You don't even say much. I don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't even have a personality. Goodbye. You know that's

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Speaker 1: what I would fair fair. So, yeah, those are my

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Speaker 1: five nipples I'm gonna I'm gonna give I'm almost going

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Speaker 1: to give the movie five nipples because I really like it.

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01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: I really like a story about multiple generations of women.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've said everything that I want to

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Speaker 1: say about it. I want to give a five nipples,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to give all of my nipples to

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Speaker 1: Lulu Wang's real grandma, who who was a block away

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Speaker 1: the whole time. I feel like that adds a whole

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01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: another level to the experience. She was steps away, and

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01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: I was so happy to hear that she was still

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Speaker 1: with us at the end. It was in a movie

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Speaker 1: full of great parts, it is the finding out that

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01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: the real nine eight is alive is the best part.

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01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: I like gasped in the theater. I was like, wow,

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01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 1: it's a feel good ending. Um yeah, I love it. Yeah,

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01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see uh more flu waiting stuff

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Speaker 1: in the future. Yeah, that's go. What about you? I'm

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01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to give it um four nipples for ico

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01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: Um and her situation. You know, the movie really crushed

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01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: the other parts. I just really I still think about

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01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: her and and her situation. So yeah, there was room

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01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: for a subplot with her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's

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Speaker 1: that's the only reason. And I would give the four

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Speaker 1: stars for nipples. For nipples to Um. I mean, I

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01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: guess Lulu Wayne, good job girl. Am I allowed to

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01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: do that? Yeah? Whatever you want. Yeah. And her friend no, actually,

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01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,759
Speaker 1: her friend like talked right, and that's why the grandma

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01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: found out. Oh the sister, your grandma's sister, who who

1344
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: is your movie? Yeah, she got sucked up into the

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: into a Hollywood glitz of it all, like maybe real nine.

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01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: I was like, so, what have you been up to?

1347
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, I've been in this movie abouts right, Yeah,

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01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 1: we'll never know. Well, OT's go. It's always a pleasure

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01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: to have you. Thank you so much for being here,

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01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me back, um, and we'll see

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01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: you soon for Shrek four or whatever, Struck five, Shrek three,

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01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: Shrek two, any anything, Hey, count count me in. I

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01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: want to know how many nipples are gonna give it? Um?

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01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 1: Where can people follow you online and is there anything

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01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: you'd like to plug. I'm just at Otsco Comedy and

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01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 1: you can just see what I'm up to there on

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01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: the socials. Amazing. Uh, We're in all the regular places.

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Speaker 1: We're on Instagram, Twitter, at Bechtel Cast, you can follow

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01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,160
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01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:16,800
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01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:19,880
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01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:24,880
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01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: these are these are not lies. These are not lies

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Speaker 1: that we're telling you. We're not withholding any information at

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01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: this time. We are telling you the truth. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in and we'll see you next week. Bye bye,

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Speaker 1: thank you, bye,