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Speaker 4: It is time for another edition of Mickshots inside the
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Speaker 4: the Star in Frisco. Yes, it was an early wake
Speaker 4: up call for everybody today, including Everson Walls.
Speaker 2: Right, Everson Walls, that's right, sir.
Speaker 5: What did he have to get up early for?
Speaker 2: I had to cancel this meeting?
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Speaker 4: There you go, as the Cowboys are beating the heat
Speaker 4: in an effort to beat the Giants on Sunday night.
Speaker 4: And speaking of heat, it is at twelve noon in Frisco,
Speaker 4: Texas won one hundred degrees.
Speaker 5: Well, that's why they began going up to one eight today.
Speaker 5: Why they began practice at nine o'clock this morning and
Speaker 5: at nine thirty I looked at my my phone and
Speaker 5: it said eighty nine degrees. Feels like one hundred because
Speaker 5: there was sixty percent humidity. So I'm guessing that's right
Speaker 5: about what's going to take place Sunday night in New York.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting one hundred percent humidity, No, it's
Speaker 4: a one hundred degrees degree six. It's interesting because I
Speaker 4: just taped the Coaches Show and just returned from the
Speaker 4: TV studio.
Speaker 2: Guarth, you're looking so spiffy.
Speaker 4: And he said that it felt cooler on the practice
Speaker 4: field this morning than it certainly did yesterday. However, Yes,
Speaker 4: the temperature at noon yesterday was ninety one degrees and
Speaker 4: at noon today at one hundred degrees.
Speaker 5: I think the sun was more intense yesterday. Yeah, well,
Speaker 5: I bet there was a room full of ivs going
Speaker 5: after that practice.
Speaker 6: The hottest game I've ever played Atlanta Falcons. I think
Speaker 6: it was like one hundred and twenty five in Texas Stadium.
Speaker 5: That was a lot in Texas Texas Stateium, because you know,
Speaker 5: they used to have that thermometer that round looked like
Speaker 5: an old block on the wall there, and I remember
Speaker 5: doing pregame shows.
Speaker 6: Holy Kyle, you know that was really humane when you think,
Speaker 6: well that was that and it wasn't a no no air.
Speaker 2: Then they got an artificial they upgraded to fans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: What the heck that was all about? It just swirled and.
Speaker 5: The way the roof, the roy the roof was constructed,
Speaker 5: there wasn't a lot of air coming in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Texas Stadium always, he's felt hotter when it was hot,
Speaker 4: and colder when it was cold.
Speaker 6: For some reason, I guess, I can't believe we were
Speaker 6: allowed to play there and subject the fans to that
Speaker 6: kind of heat. It was against the Falcons if I recalled,
Speaker 6: and they were doing the run and shoot. So I
Speaker 6: was running my ass up and down the field all
Speaker 6: day long with this guy. It was here, it was,
Speaker 6: and they never threw them the ball because you know
Speaker 6: the running shoot they used the constant on the stoe.
Speaker 5: You ever playing a hot game that you needed an IV?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Never, No, Because you know guys, I askually. I was
Speaker 5: asking Martin, Zach Martin if he ever had to take
Speaker 5: an IV like during the game, and he said yeah,
Speaker 5: at halftime. I said, how long does it take? And
Speaker 5: he goes, well, you just get as much as you
Speaker 5: can and then you your twelve minutes are up and
Speaker 5: you got to go. I said, do they sit there
Speaker 5: and squeeze the bag to make it go faster? And
Speaker 5: he goes sometimes. Hey, I remember, I remember in which
Speaker 5: top falls when they were doing two days as hot
Speaker 5: as it was there was for training camp. Uh. They
Speaker 5: basically had a room set up for IV so they
Speaker 5: can do multiple at the same time, and guys were
Speaker 5: getting them left and right after that morning the morning press.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember I went out there. I was working
Speaker 6: with Uh. I can't remember. I was working with Fox,
Speaker 6: working with Deucy. And I brought my ten speed out
Speaker 6: there because I stayed out there for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I bought my tent speed. It was hot.
Speaker 2: That's why they called first practice.
Speaker 5: That's why they called their their bike race in August
Speaker 5: the hotter and the hell hundreds.
Speaker 2: And I thought that every time I went to practice.
Speaker 4: So because of the heat, everything got started earlier today.
Speaker 4: And you we've already had the locker room availability. Mickey
Speaker 4: has just returned from the locker room. And you just
Speaker 4: mentioned you talk with Zach Martin and uh, was this
Speaker 4: DAC day two.
Speaker 5: This was Dack Day. And I think he.
Speaker 4: Must have said, must have said.
Speaker 5: Like three times that, uh, he feels as comfortable as
Speaker 5: he's ever been getting ready to start a season. So uh,
Speaker 5: he said, my confidence is at an all time high.
Speaker 2: It always is. That's that's nothing.
Speaker 5: That's the way it should be when you start a
Speaker 5: season right, kind of ready to go.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: So we saw our portion of practice and Tyler Smith
Speaker 5: was still doing rehab work with Britt Brown, the Cowboys trainer.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: He was on the cords and I'll tell you what,
Speaker 5: he was moving pretty good. If you got a really
Speaker 5: tight hamstring, it's hard to do lunges right, and he
Speaker 5: was doing lunges. Uh. He was doing the side steps
Speaker 5: on the cords backwards forward, uh. And then near the
Speaker 5: end of their little workout, he was doing side steps
Speaker 5: but at a faster pace. So it looked like that
Speaker 5: he was doing better improving, And as Mike McCarthy said that,
Speaker 5: we'll see if he can participate in their workout they
Speaker 5: do Saturday before they leave for the game, he goes
Speaker 5: that would be the last threshold and if he's able
Speaker 5: to participate then then he said he should be good
Speaker 5: to go. So that was a that was a good sign,
Speaker 5: let's put it that way.
Speaker 8: So what happens if he is not good to go?
Speaker 5: Well, from what it looked like during that, you know,
Speaker 5: and it's hard to tell how they're lining up there
Speaker 5: so far away from us, but it seems like that
Speaker 5: Tuma Adoga has been taken snaps there in place the
Speaker 5: Tyler Smith, and they have other guys they've worked in also, so.
Speaker 4: You know Harlow Sean Harlowe.
Speaker 2: Harlow picked up.
Speaker 4: He was in the Giants on the practice squad. On
Speaker 4: the practice squad, right, so you have to squad to move.
Speaker 8: He talked about him earlier in the week.
Speaker 4: He actually started three games for Arizona last year, so.
Speaker 5: He has experience.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: TJ. Bass he still sort of on on the right
Speaker 5: side guy. Although I asked him how his hand on
Speaker 5: the ball was going, and he said, oh, it's better,
Speaker 5: he's but he doesn't get to do it in practice.
Speaker 5: It's before and when they do the quarterback thing before
Speaker 5: practice and then some shotgun after and he goes, actually
Speaker 5: the shotgun's coming along better than under center, and I said,
Speaker 5: why is that? And he goes, well, shotgun, you got
Speaker 5: a little margin for ara or the ball can go
Speaker 5: here or there, he goes, But when you're under center,
Speaker 5: you got to be accurate, like hit his hand right
Speaker 5: where you're supposed to hit it right.
Speaker 2: Do we have any left handed centers.
Speaker 5: In the league.
Speaker 8: Yeah, random question, there you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a prerequisite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it easier, you know, left handed, just.
Speaker 4: Like you can't be a left handed shortstop, and it's.
Speaker 5: Real hard to be a left handed third baseman.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you can't be.
Speaker 8: A left handed center. I've never thought of that before.
Speaker 5: I mean, as long as you get the seams up there, right.
Speaker 2: I think that if it's the direct snap versus the shot, yeah.
Speaker 5: More, but therect one.
Speaker 4: Although a left footed punter, it comes for the return
Speaker 4: man on a left footed punt. It's different than you know,
Speaker 4: what happened the ball.
Speaker 2: The ball gave them on purpose, just to screw up.
Speaker 5: Well. Chris Jones was a left handed punter. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: left footed. Yeah, left handed. You might have been left handed.
Speaker 5: Come on, and uh, his ball, the spin of it
Speaker 5: would cause it the nose to kind of back up right.
Speaker 5: So I remember the first game he kicked, and before
Speaker 5: the game, Chris Boniol, the Cowboys former place kicker, he
Speaker 5: was the special team's assistant at that time, kicking coach,
Speaker 5: and he told me that it was against the Giants,
Speaker 5: I want to say, and it was up there and
Speaker 5: he said, they will fumble two punts. I go, what
Speaker 5: do you mean? He goes he's left footed and his
Speaker 5: ball backs up. And I'll be darned if they didn't
Speaker 5: fumble the first one and won later in the game
Speaker 5: because they misjudged where they're figuring it's landing here, but
Speaker 5: it backed up on him and they had to move
Speaker 5: up further. So there's something to a left footed punter.
Speaker 2: Bill all right.
Speaker 4: Kansas City plays Detroit tonight. There's the Kansas City Center.
Speaker 4: Creed Humphrey, a left handed center. You can check him
Speaker 4: out tonight.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 8: They former Oklahoma sooner and.
Speaker 5: By the way, he under center behind him.
Speaker 4: He's one of the best centers in the national football.
Speaker 5: So did you google left handed?
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Speaker 9: to that Creed Humphrey.
Speaker 2: Wait to go. It doesn't make a difference because my
Speaker 2: home doesn't.
Speaker 5: Know the other thing. The other thing. In practice of significance,
Speaker 5: Sam Williams, who didn't do much of anything yesterday, he's
Speaker 5: got turf toe. He was in uniform and he was
Speaker 5: going through all the drills and had a helmet on
Speaker 5: in the practice part that we saw, so that looked,
Speaker 5: you know, optimistic now that he should be ready to go.
Speaker 5: He was one of the other ones, Donovan Wilson. I
Speaker 5: think we talked about it yesterday. He would have been
Speaker 5: still rehabbing.
Speaker 2: But his.
Speaker 5: Lady, I don't know, wife, girlfriend, whatever, was having a
Speaker 5: baby to die. Oh wow, so he was at the hospital.
Speaker 5: It's not for him say significant, right, significant our thank you.
Speaker 5: I was trying to figure that out. And Jordan Lewis
Speaker 5: continues to practice, but I just don't see him playing
Speaker 5: in this game. It's just too soon.
Speaker 2: He's off the publics, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's active, yep.
Speaker 4: But now the coach talked glowingly about where he is.
Speaker 5: I know right now it'd be interesting if they one
Speaker 5: padded practice and they say, okay, you're good to go.
Speaker 5: If you haven't played since maybe October.
Speaker 4: Of last year, he's still ramping up, ramp up.
Speaker 5: I think that's what you all right.
Speaker 4: I have a question about the offensive line, okay, and
Speaker 4: especially with the Tyler Smith injury. Okay, So the way
Speaker 4: you look at it, as far as the backups on
Speaker 4: the offensive line, you mentioneduma Idoga as the possibility guard,
Speaker 4: so awesome. Richards would be back up at both left tackle,
Speaker 4: and he's like third in line at left guard. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Tyler Smith. If anything were to happen to Tyrant Tyler Smith,
Speaker 4: Tyler Smith, the guy that over would kick out the
Speaker 4: tackle like he did last year.
Speaker 5: So because of their lack of depth on the offensive line,
Speaker 5: I think they can withstand one thing. But now he
Speaker 5: gets a little more complicated if somebody else gets hurt, right,
Speaker 5: especially one of the tackles, because now with Tyler Smith
Speaker 5: sort of iffy at this point anyway, although I do
Speaker 5: think he's improving. If something happened to one of the tackles,
Speaker 5: you know, Tyler Smith could go play tackle and then
Speaker 5: you just find a guard.
Speaker 4: But if Tyler is unavailable, then your backup tackles.
Speaker 8: Now Adoga can play.
Speaker 5: Tackle, Yes he can, awesome Richard, Yes.
Speaker 4: And then on the practice squad you've got an robostic.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't think you want to go in there, Alex
Speaker 4: Taylor Prelo, I.
Speaker 5: Don't think you want to go right.
Speaker 8: So that's just giving you an idea.
Speaker 5: Yeah, of the on the roster, both on.
Speaker 4: The fifty three and the and the practice squad.
Speaker 5: And so when we talk about what what worries you
Speaker 5: about this team or where is a you know, kind
Speaker 5: of a worrisome position, it's the depth on the offensive line,
Speaker 5: and we're kind of seeing it right now.
Speaker 4: And that also underscores the value of a healthy Tyler
Speaker 4: Smith because he would be next man up at.
Speaker 5: Left tackle, right, and then you need a guard now,
Speaker 5: but Doga could do that.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 5: I mentioned TJ. Bass, but he's been more right side. Awesome.
Speaker 5: Richards has played both spots, left side, but again he's
Speaker 5: a fifth round draft choice.
Speaker 2: Is this going on on every team in the league?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. The offensive line yea.
Speaker 4: And not having backups that are proven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when we were talking when I was talking with
Speaker 5: Zach Martin yesterday, you know, one of the things that
Speaker 5: he pointed out is, you know, if you look around
Speaker 5: the league, you know, if teams have six offensive linemen,
Speaker 5: they're good with you know, that's about where it's at.
Speaker 5: But after that it gets a little thin because there's
Speaker 5: just not a lot of offensive linemen.
Speaker 2: So then the answer to my question is, yes.
Speaker 5: That's why somebody says, go trade for somebody. Very few
Speaker 5: teams have excess, right, It's like, okay, we can trade
Speaker 5: this guy.
Speaker 4: Why is it that there aren't enough offensive linemen because
Speaker 4: when you got in college football, you've got dozens of
Speaker 4: teams with five offensive linemen on each team that start,
Speaker 4: and you can't get enough offensive lineman that can make
Speaker 4: the transition to the.
Speaker 5: NFL well, because the blocking in the college is a
Speaker 5: lot simpler. Basically, you're standing up in your passport.
Speaker 8: So they're not getting developed right and.
Speaker 2: Hitting on something.
Speaker 5: Here Bill, and as I was talking, because wide.
Speaker 8: Receivers, yeah, wide receivers have plenty.
Speaker 4: You got running by.
Speaker 5: Here's the answer. Nobody grows up and says, God, I
Speaker 5: just want to go play guard. It doesn't happen, you know,
Speaker 5: I asked. I got into the discussion with Zach yesterday
Speaker 5: and I said, so, when you were growing up, did
Speaker 5: you want to play guard? Just like that? And he goes,
Speaker 5: I was actually on defense, and he goes, and I
Speaker 5: was a defensive lineman, and then somewhere at the end
Speaker 5: of high school to Notre Dame, I became an offensive lineman.
Speaker 5: I said, but he didn't grow up wanting to play guard,
Speaker 5: and he laughed, and he goes, No, I.
Speaker 2: Gotta say I would do if I was a big guy,
Speaker 2: I would love to play offense. Well, you you because
Speaker 2: you can pancake people. You just get to beat everybody up.
Speaker 6: I mean to me, it seems like the perfect position
Speaker 6: for a large human being with athletic.
Speaker 5: Your percentages of if you're if you can get good
Speaker 5: of succeeding or higher. Because there's fewer candidates on the
Speaker 5: offensive line.
Speaker 6: It seems like they really get a charge out of
Speaker 6: Not really, they could care less if anyone knows who
Speaker 6: they are. But if we're driving down the field, no
Speaker 6: one takes more pride that than an offensive line.
Speaker 5: But if you're good, you want to play tackle, right,
Speaker 5: and if you're kind of good, you want to play center.
Speaker 5: Those are the spots that get paid.
Speaker 2: The guy.
Speaker 4: You have to have a certain length to play tackle,
Speaker 4: longer arms. And I told you my story about Joe Brotsky, right,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. He was a very successful high school
Speaker 4: head coach in Miami. Cowboys former running back coach has
Speaker 4: passed away since and and we were talking about.
Speaker 5: It one day and he goes, let me get let
Speaker 5: me explain it to you. And he goes, So the
Speaker 5: first day of practice high school, I got a new team.
Speaker 5: He goes, we go out and we do some things,
Speaker 5: and I go, Okay, that's the best athlete there. There's
Speaker 5: my quarterback. The next best athlete, well, that's my running back.
Speaker 5: And he goes, and then after that wide receiver, cornerback,
Speaker 5: defensive end, linebackers. Okay, and then he goes. I look
Speaker 5: around and look at all the other guys and go
Speaker 5: the rest of you offensive lineback.
Speaker 6: And there's some truth to that, right, But as you
Speaker 6: develop as a player, right, I'm back to the point,
Speaker 6: the satisfaction that they have as a unit. Right, as
Speaker 6: a unit, they might be the closest unit on almost
Speaker 6: every team, and that usually you have a lot of
Speaker 6: intellect there, right, you know, So I don't know. To me,
Speaker 6: if I had the build, if I had the well
Speaker 6: with the I would look.
Speaker 5: That's what I wanted to do. And look at the
Speaker 5: Look at the other leagues out there, right, there's no
Speaker 5: enough offensive linemen to go around to help the skill people.
Speaker 5: The quarterbacks are at the mercery. Yeah, that's the that's
Speaker 5: the worst part of those leagues, you know, because you've
Speaker 5: got skilled people, but if you can't block for them,
Speaker 5: then it kind of diminishes what they can do.
Speaker 4: Okay, And as we go to break here, I've got
Speaker 4: a Joe Brodsky trivia question for you. Oh wow, okay,
Speaker 4: you talked about his high school coaching Laurels in Miami.
Speaker 8: Yes, okay. Can you name one of.
Speaker 4: The players that he coached who would later become an
Speaker 4: assistant coach for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8: Coach Joe.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right, And I forgot that part. Oh
Speaker 5: get those two together. Oh my gosh, the stories that
Speaker 5: they would tell and Joe, Joe would sit there and go, yeah, okay, Joe,
Speaker 5: go ahead, go ahead, laying on you know.
Speaker 4: And by the way, another little HitBit on Joe Brodsky's
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Speaker 4: Very nice read there he Spagnola.
Speaker 5: And by the way, we saw people at the top
Speaker 5: of his walking by here last night on our cross
Speaker 5: talk show on the fan upstairs at the Cowboys Club.
Speaker 5: Our guest was Joe Looney, Nate Newton, myself, Kevin Gray.
Speaker 5: He's a high school coach now yet no, he's a teacher.
Speaker 5: Oh he's he was coaching last year and he had
Speaker 5: to coach and teach, and he realized, I might suppose
Speaker 5: to be back in the NFL. I'm working all day long, right,
Speaker 5: and he said, so he got he's got a teaching
Speaker 5: degree and he's teaching history at a charter school in Frisco.
Speaker 4: Well, he was in the spring. He was at one
Speaker 4: of the Frisco schools. And I saw him on Draft Night.
Speaker 4: And you know, he played for Mike Celari at fran
Speaker 4: San Francisco when they won the right and so I
Speaker 4: was picking his brain. Okay, it's Draft Knight. What kind
Speaker 4: of offensive lineman does Mike Celari like?
Speaker 2: Whatever?
Speaker 4: And so anyway, he told me that he was coaching
Speaker 4: at a Frisco high school.
Speaker 8: I can't remember what.
Speaker 5: I think I was Wakeland.
Speaker 4: Okay, but and so we'll come out and do a
Speaker 4: story on you. And we called the head coach and
Speaker 4: he said we were going to come out during springball
Speaker 4: and do a story on Ludy say, why don't you
Speaker 4: wait until the fall to do this? So maybe he
Speaker 4: had an idea that this was gonna last very long.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so we're we're in the we're in the
Speaker 5: middle of the we're in the middle of the show.
Speaker 5: Last night and uh, upstairs in the club, and who
Speaker 5: comes walking by but Jerry Jones and he stops and
Speaker 5: he looks.
Speaker 14: And he goes, oh, four, my favorite guys here. And
Speaker 14: he started talking and it's like, oh, do we have
Speaker 14: a stick mic? And you know, give him a headset?
Speaker 14: And he stood there and talked for about a minute. Right,
Speaker 14: But you could hear while you're on the air. Yeah
Speaker 14: you could hear it. I could hear it in my
Speaker 14: in my headset. So I'm assuming got on the air.
Speaker 4: Uh it was where can we find that to listen
Speaker 4: to it?
Speaker 5: One oh five to three the fan? I guess, all right,
Speaker 5: and it might be on dallascowboys dot com.
Speaker 8: All right, changing subjects.
Speaker 4: Yes, you saw the contract that, yes, Nick Bosa agreed.
Speaker 5: To he can afford An Island right now.
Speaker 4: Five year, one hundred seventy million dollar contract. It includes
Speaker 4: one hundred twenty two and a half million dollars in guarantees.
Speaker 4: It's like, who do you think is the bill happiest
Speaker 4: man in America right now besides Nick Bosa.
Speaker 5: Michael Parson says, I don't worry, I don't worry about
Speaker 5: anybody else When he.
Speaker 2: Signed the contract. Okay, Mike is looking.
Speaker 5: He was like, good for him.
Speaker 2: I can see the future there right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm sure some jowts dropped upstairs knowing how
Speaker 5: much they're probably going to have to pay.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: I just happened to be in the control room as
Speaker 4: Nick Eatman was interviewing Stephen Jones for a special edition.
Speaker 4: He was asking Stephen about Micah and he asked about
Speaker 4: the Nick Bosa contrail. He brought it up and said
Speaker 4: that Micah is very and maybe it was Stephen actually
Speaker 4: may have said, now happy Michael must be see that contract.
Speaker 4: And then Nick had a great line. He said, so
Speaker 4: does that bring a smile to your face too? You'll
Speaker 4: have to watch it on all right edition right here?
Speaker 4: But yeah, and okay, it's game night.
Speaker 5: So do you think he mean? Do you think he
Speaker 5: plays hadn't been to training camp?
Speaker 4: Micah Bosa?
Speaker 2: I knew that fact. I knew that's fag.
Speaker 8: I know, yeah, he's playing.
Speaker 2: Keep up.
Speaker 4: I just saw Kyle Shanahan was doing an interview and
Speaker 4: just showed it on NFL Network. He said that the
Speaker 4: only way that Nick Bosa doesn't play on Sunday is
Speaker 4: if he's got a beer belly.
Speaker 6: LT did that when I came in nineteen ninety to
Speaker 6: the Giants. He didn't all the training camp, he was out,
Speaker 6: didn't didn't do anything. He comes in against three sacks
Speaker 6: against Philly for the opener, and that showed me. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I knew I was gonna get a whole lot of
Speaker 6: picks that year. Matter of fact, he was chasing Randall
Speaker 6: down on our first third down play and I got
Speaker 6: an interception because LT was making him run.
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Speaker 4: York Giants Insider and Mickey the Official Titles Senior Manager,
Speaker 4: Editorial and Audio Content. John Schmelk, we appreciate you joining
Speaker 4: us here on mix shots. Mickey's been telling us how
Speaker 4: hot it is at the US Open because he's been
Speaker 4: watching it past midnight here every night. So how hot
Speaker 4: is it today there in Giants Land?
Speaker 7: Yeah, based on your forecast of what's happening in Dallas,
Speaker 7: I'm going to choose not to complain.
Speaker 5: About the ninety.
Speaker 7: Five degrees and like ninety percent humidity, which is it's
Speaker 7: pretty terrible. But based on what you guys are talking
Speaker 7: about I'd rather be.
Speaker 5: Here, So we just want to know are the Giants
Speaker 5: practicing outdoors in this weather?
Speaker 7: Well, believe it or not, the Giants, because you know
Speaker 7: the long week with Labor Day, they practice Monday, Tuesday,
Speaker 7: Wednesday this week, so today's actually a player off day,
Speaker 7: which is a little bit different, and then they'll be
Speaker 7: back practicing in tomorrow. But they have been outside all
Speaker 7: week this week and it has been in the nineties.
Speaker 7: So yes, they are preparing for Sunday night when it
Speaker 7: should be pretty steamy. It's kind of chance of thunderstorms
Speaker 7: on Sunday, but the temperature shouldn't get down to reasonable
Speaker 7: areas by the evening.
Speaker 5: So in that stadium, do I have special rooms for
Speaker 5: the ivs for.
Speaker 7: The play for.
Speaker 5: The fans all they'll be liquidated, right or not?
Speaker 4: You know, the Cowboys have their regeneration days on Friday
Speaker 4: under the ind the Mike McCarthy era here and then
Speaker 4: they'll to actually get a little workout in on Saturday.
Speaker 4: That's when we'll learn the status for Tyler Smith, uh,
Speaker 4: the Cowboys left guard, whether he'll be able to play
Speaker 4: on Sunday night. How are things looking injury wise for
Speaker 4: the Giants this week.
Speaker 7: The Giants have a bunch of guys that are limited,
Speaker 7: but you know, it's not many guys that you would
Speaker 7: consider to be, you know, huge parts of their game plan.
Speaker 7: A lot of special teamers like Gary Brightwell, Cam Brown,
Speaker 7: Lawrence Kager is the backup tight end, you know, Quardo Fladger,
Speaker 7: Various Owen's backup defensive backs, and then Wando Robinson's coming
Speaker 7: off an acl last year. So I mean, none of
Speaker 7: those guys are probably going to be huge factors in
Speaker 7: the game plan. Anyhow, they're all limited. I think most
Speaker 7: of them would be questionable or they'd be ready to
Speaker 7: go on Sunday night. So the Giants, at least from
Speaker 7: their perspective, they're pretty healthy. I think they feel pretty
Speaker 7: good about where they're at. What's your guys feeling? Do
Speaker 7: you think? Do you think Tyler Smith's gonna go? Do
Speaker 7: you think Wilson and Williams are gonna go? Do you
Speaker 7: do you think they're gonna be game time decisions?
Speaker 5: I think, Uh, for Tyler Smith it'll be a game
Speaker 5: time decision. We talked about that today. He's still rehabbing. Uh,
Speaker 5: So they're gonna wait until Saturday to see just where
Speaker 5: he's at before they take off.
Speaker 7: So uh.
Speaker 5: As for the other guys, uh, Sam Williams was probably
Speaker 5: limited in practice, so that was better than did not
Speaker 5: practicing yesterday. And Donovan Wilson he hasn't practiced yet. Uh,
Speaker 5: and he didn't again today, so there's very little chance
Speaker 5: he'd be ready to go.
Speaker 2: Good to know we're supposed to be divulging information to him.
Speaker 4: There's an official practice report, right, Vicky is ready that
Speaker 4: off the practice record.
Speaker 2: He sounded like he was digging for information.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well, you're a former Giant and former Cowboy.
Speaker 2: So having said that, I'm trying to look at these dbs.
Speaker 2: I know that's where you're I have been looking at
Speaker 2: these young guys. Deontay Banks.
Speaker 6: Tell me about him and tell me is he going
Speaker 6: to be locked up with Ceedee Lamb all day?
Speaker 4: And they and the other rookie corner, Trey Hawkins too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and ever since, I think you're looking at the
Speaker 7: right spot because I think those are gonna be really
Speaker 7: important matchups in this game. My guess is that a
Speaker 7: Dori Jackson is going to be locked up on CD
Speaker 7: Lamb most of the game. Yeah, they're gonna put the
Speaker 7: veteran on him and he's been He's basically gonna be there.
Speaker 7: You know, in base he'll be their outside corner, and
Speaker 7: then in sub packages he'll move inside, and CD plays
Speaker 7: inside so much as you guys know obviously that I
Speaker 7: think he'll follow him for most of the game, which
Speaker 7: means you have the two rookies Deontay Banks and Trey
Speaker 7: Hawkins playing outside, and they're gonna be against two really
Speaker 7: good players and gallop and Cooks for a lot of
Speaker 7: this game. And both those guys are side speed, length athletes.
Speaker 7: Banks was one of the best athletes in the draft
Speaker 7: or a sub sub four four, really long, good kid,
Speaker 7: plays really tight coverage, and he's really fast. Hawkins obviously
Speaker 7: from a smaller program, Old Dominion. He was a sixth
Speaker 7: round pick, but he has the length. He's over six foot,
Speaker 7: he ran a four to four. He's obviously just not
Speaker 7: a season that his Banks is coming out of a
Speaker 7: bigger program in the Big ten in Maryland, so they're
Speaker 7: gonna play a lot of press man. They're gonna try
Speaker 7: to get physical with the line of scrimmage. You know,
Speaker 7: maybe some issues with some like back shoulder stuff if
Speaker 7: you run them across the field, baby, But in those
Speaker 7: you know, small truncated areas near the silon, if you're
Speaker 7: trying to work an X against them in one on one,
Speaker 7: they're gonna be pretty physical and they're gonna play pretty
Speaker 7: tight covered. So they've shown a lot in the camp,
Speaker 7: they've shown a lot in preseason. But I don't have
Speaker 7: to tell you, guys, it's much different the bright lights
Speaker 7: on Sunday night football against three really good wide receivers
Speaker 7: like Dallas has. So that is going to be a
Speaker 7: huge factor in terms of how those guys handle the
Speaker 7: Cowboys receivers. In terms of how this Giants defense, this
Speaker 7: is gonna fair.
Speaker 6: You know, when it comes to Dak Prescott, we just
Speaker 6: had a report that he said he feels better than
Speaker 6: he's ever felt at the beginning of a season. I've
Speaker 6: heard different philosophies against Dak Prescott. Do the Giants think
Speaker 6: that it's best to play man to man and press
Speaker 6: and make Dak make quick decisions, or do they feel
Speaker 6: like it's better to play zone against him based on
Speaker 6: the interceptions that he had all last year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Giants played the highest percentage of cover zero
Speaker 7: and cover one than any other team in the league
Speaker 7: last year. That's what that's what they're going to do.
Speaker 7: I'd be shocked if they did it now. At the
Speaker 7: end of the earl last year when they played the
Speaker 7: Vikings in the playoffs and they'd justin Jefferson, they did
Speaker 7: play a little bit more zone, so you maybe you
Speaker 7: might see them roll some of that in, but the
Speaker 7: Giants are still at their core a cover one, you know,
Speaker 7: zero blitz set the tempo on defense themselves. That's what
Speaker 7: Martindale does and I would not expect it to deviate
Speaker 7: too much from that on Sunday night.
Speaker 5: So that Hawkins is starting at corner, was that the plan?
Speaker 5: Or did somebody get beaten out and he earned the
Speaker 5: spot as one of your top three corners.
Speaker 7: He earned it to start the year. The plan was
Speaker 7: to have Banks and the Dori Jackson outside and then
Speaker 7: Darning Holmes was going to return as the inside cornerback,
Speaker 7: and Hawkins played so well outside in camp that they
Speaker 7: needed to find a way to get him on the field,
Speaker 7: so they moved Jackson inside in those sub packages and
Speaker 7: the kids just been really, really strong, which I you know,
Speaker 7: it's funny. I was talking about the defensive back coaches
Speaker 7: and I asked him you guys surprised that you know,
Speaker 7: Hawkins has come along so quickly, goes, Yeah, if we
Speaker 7: knew it's gonna be this good, we wouldn't wait until.
Speaker 2: The sixth round to table, you know.
Speaker 4: And it's not unprecedented for a fifth or sixth round
Speaker 4: draft pick his rookie year. I mean here recently in
Speaker 4: the league, Tarik Wooland in Seattle, who ran a four
Speaker 4: to two five or something like that, and he's like
Speaker 4: six ' four out of utsa. Uh, he's from Fort Worth,
Speaker 4: Arlington Heights. You know, he had a Pro Bowl season
Speaker 4: his rookie year last year. I want to ask you
Speaker 4: about Kavon Thibodeaux because you know, we watched Michael Parsons
Speaker 4: in practice in training camp and it's either the Cowboys
Speaker 4: offensive tackles are really bad or Michael Parsons is really
Speaker 4: really good. How about Thibodeaux, As you know, when we
Speaker 4: went up there in September last year, he was coming
Speaker 4: off his injury. Wasn't it full tilt yet? Going into
Speaker 4: his second year, how has he looked in training camp?
Speaker 7: Get better? Healthy? For one, I talked to him yesterday
Speaker 7: and he said he feels as healthy as as he's
Speaker 7: been since he's been here. You know, once you you know,
Speaker 7: sprain a ligament in your knee, you come back, it's
Speaker 7: never right until you really rest it in the offseason.
Speaker 7: So he did play much better than the last year.
Speaker 7: He came on the last five or six games as
Speaker 7: pressure rate went up. So yeah, I think him and
Speaker 7: as he's o Jalari too, I think o Jalari is
Speaker 7: actually probably a better pure pass rusher. He gets he's
Speaker 7: a little bend year. He gets a little bit lower
Speaker 7: to the ground in terms of running that arc around
Speaker 7: the defense, around the offensive tackle. But look, I think
Speaker 7: one bet the Giants are making this year or those
Speaker 7: two edge players play a little bit more consistently. O
Speaker 7: Ja Laria missed a lot of last time, a lot
Speaker 7: of time last year with calf injuries, and they can
Speaker 7: bring a little bit more of a consistent pass rush
Speaker 7: along the edge. And I think they have high oaks
Speaker 7: for both those guys. And I will say this about Thibodeau.
Speaker 7: You know, it's funny the worry about him coming in was,
Speaker 7: you know, is he going to be focused on football
Speaker 7: dedication and practice and all that stuff and run defense.
Speaker 7: That's really what he's been great at. You know, he
Speaker 7: hasn't been like the super explosive, consistent sack guy like
Speaker 7: everyone thought he was going to be. Has been the
Speaker 7: other stuff that honestly has really impressed me since he's
Speaker 7: been here.
Speaker 5: John, If we go to the other side of the ball,
Speaker 5: I know one of the things the Giants wanted to
Speaker 5: improve on was the offensive line. How has that unit
Speaker 5: looked getting ready for this season opener? In particularly being
Speaker 5: able to protect Daniel Jones.
Speaker 7: Andrew Thomas is awesome. I will use the same line
Speaker 7: that Bill was talking about Michael Parsons. Either Andrew Thomas
Speaker 7: is really good or the Giants dead rushers are really bad,
Speaker 7: because I don't think. I don't think he lost the
Speaker 7: rep in past protection one on ones all summer. He's
Speaker 7: just phenomenal left tackle. But he was good last year too.
Speaker 7: The question of the other guys right Evan Neil right tackle,
Speaker 7: I think the team really needs him to take a
Speaker 7: jump this year. He had issues last year. Remember that the
Speaker 7: DeMarcus Lawrence in that first game had the three sacks
Speaker 7: against the right side. So he's looked better in the summer.
Speaker 7: He missed a couple weeks with a concussion, so I
Speaker 7: think they hope there's improvement there, and then they're starting
Speaker 7: a rookie center in John Michael Schmidt's really good mentally,
Speaker 7: He's a six year player out of Minnesota, second round pick.
Speaker 7: He's figured that much out. I think he'll be okay.
Speaker 7: He struggles maybe with power a little bit sometimes on
Speaker 7: the inside. And then the guard position is interesting. They
Speaker 7: haven't really announced who their starting guards are. It's Mark Lewinski,
Speaker 7: Ben Brettison and josh A Zudu, who is a third
Speaker 7: round pick last year and for the last two weeks
Speaker 7: A can't they've really rotated those three guys, and Brian
Speaker 7: Dable has said if he thinks it makes sense in
Speaker 7: the matchup, he'd be willing to rotate those three guys
Speaker 7: within games. So we don't quite know who those guards
Speaker 7: are going to be. My guess he'll go with the
Speaker 7: veterans Glinski, right guard, Bretison and left guard. But with
Speaker 7: Dallas and all their twisting stunts on the defensive line,
Speaker 7: I think that's a good thing to watch over the
Speaker 7: course of that game too.
Speaker 4: John schmelk New York Giants Insider with us here on
Speaker 4: mixed shots and elsewhere on offense. Of course, the Giants
Speaker 4: have needed playmakers, and they've added a couple. They've added
Speaker 4: speed at wide receiver with the third round pick Jaylen
Speaker 4: Hyatt out of Tennessee Paris Campbell, the free agent signee
Speaker 4: who had sixty three catches last year with the Colts,
Speaker 4: and then, of course, the receiving tight end Darren Waller.
Speaker 4: Everybody's talking about him, right.
Speaker 7: And Waller's the guy. I mean, he might be a
Speaker 7: tight end, but he's their number one receiver. If he
Speaker 7: stays healthy all year, he's going to catch eighty balls.
Speaker 7: He's going to have a thousand yards. Now, well, we
Speaker 7: stay healthy all year. He hasn't been able to that's
Speaker 7: the ultimate question, right, But he had missed aside from
Speaker 7: veteran days, he has not missed one practice in camp
Speaker 7: due to an injury. So he's been very good. He's
Speaker 7: a legit six six, a legit two fifty, but he
Speaker 7: moves like a guy that's six three to twenty. He's
Speaker 7: just an athletic freak show. Daniel Jones m M. I've
Speaker 7: gotten chemistry very quick early. He's his favorite target in practice.
Speaker 7: You know, they run him on those option routes, those
Speaker 7: why options in the middle of the field. Let him do,
Speaker 7: you know, just find room and get open. So he's
Speaker 7: gonna be a primary target. And to your point, they
Speaker 7: added a bunch of speed in addition to that. They
Speaker 7: drafted Jalen High at a four to four guy. He's
Speaker 7: not probably one of their top three receivers right now,
Speaker 7: he's probably their fourth, but he's gonna play, you know,
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five snaps in this game, I would bet.
Speaker 7: And he's a really fast, legitimate vertical target. And then
Speaker 7: Paris Campbell is kind of that, you know, run after
Speaker 7: the catch, catch the short pass, some gadget stuff maybe
Speaker 7: in there too, player that will be mostly in the
Speaker 7: slot to start the game that they'll try to get
Speaker 7: the ball to and and kind of let him make
Speaker 7: a play with his leg. So, you know, they still
Speaker 7: don't have that number one A or maybe even you
Speaker 7: know two A wide receiver, but they think they've added
Speaker 7: speed and Waller which should make the pass offense more explosive,
Speaker 7: which is a huge goald this offseason. They finished next
Speaker 7: to last and passes of twenty more yards last year.
Speaker 7: They know that has to get better if they want
Speaker 7: to try to challenge in the division.
Speaker 5: So, John, your overall assessment you've been there for quite
Speaker 5: some time. You've seen these Giants teams. They go nine
Speaker 5: to seven in one last year and won a playoff game.
Speaker 5: You're feeling about this team, where it's at and where
Speaker 5: you think? What do you think they're capable of this year?
Speaker 7: I think they've closed the gap talent wise with Dallas
Speaker 7: and Philly who and I consider Dallas, Philly and San
Speaker 7: frank kind of the top tier of the NFC right
Speaker 7: their talents closer. I want to see in games how
Speaker 7: much closer they are and whether or not they've caught them.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure they're there yet. They're still very young
Speaker 7: in a lot of spots, and it's only year two
Speaker 7: of the regime. But the talent certainly better. They're a
Speaker 7: very well coached team on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 7: Brian Davile and Mike Cafi have don a really good
Speaker 7: job with this offense, utilizing Daniel Jones with his legs
Speaker 7: and with his arm wank Martindale, like I mentioned all
Speaker 7: the Blitzers, he sets the temple on defense. So I
Speaker 7: think they're a better team than they were last year
Speaker 7: for sure, as you guys well know, because they have
Speaker 7: very similar schedules. The schedule is a lot tougher this year,
Speaker 7: playing the AFC East instead of the AFC South. So
Speaker 7: I'm not sure their record is going to be that
Speaker 7: much better, but I know the talent's a lot better.
Speaker 7: But I think the game against Dallas and Philly and
Speaker 7: San Francisco this year will be very telling as to
Speaker 7: how much the Giants have closed that gap. If they
Speaker 7: were in the AFC South or NFC North or NFC South,
Speaker 7: I think they'd be competing for the division title. And
Speaker 7: I think whether or not they can, you know, be
Speaker 7: Dallas in Week one, will go a long way towards
Speaker 7: us deciding if they can challenge for the NFC East title.
Speaker 5: That's funny. I think we pointed that out, and Bill
Speaker 5: pointed that out. If they were in a different division yesterday,
Speaker 5: that they would be favorites to win that division.
Speaker 8: I was the one who said the Giants favor.
Speaker 5: I said, Bill pointed it out, all right.
Speaker 7: I won.
Speaker 2: On a personal level.
Speaker 4: How Sterling doing Sterling Shepard? We love Sterling.
Speaker 7: Oh, Chef's awesome. He's such a positive guy and he's
Speaker 7: ready to go man like. He was running routes by
Speaker 7: by June in Mini camp, and then he got activated
Speaker 7: off of POP two weeks into camp. He's playing a
Speaker 7: preseason game. He caught a punt. I think this will
Speaker 7: be a wide receiver by committee, and I think he's
Speaker 7: going to be part of it. He's such a good dude.
Speaker 7: We're all rooting for him. We're so happy. And I
Speaker 7: talked to him. By the way, his GPS numbers are
Speaker 7: either identical or a little bit better than they were
Speaker 7: pre a c l and and pre Achilles injury. He's
Speaker 7: feeling pretty good man.
Speaker 4: Of course, it was against the Cowboys last year when
Speaker 4: he went down with the injury.
Speaker 8: John.
Speaker 7: The year before he tours a cl he tore achilles
Speaker 7: against Dallas, So two straight years he had seen an
Speaker 7: egin injuries.
Speaker 5: Against the Maybe sit him out there.
Speaker 4: Too much, we don't need and he's also scores touchdowns
Speaker 4: against the Cowboys. Good idea, just sitting John Schmelk. I
Speaker 4: just subscribed to a Giant's Huddle and I can't wait
Speaker 4: to listen to your podcast over the next few days.
Speaker 4: Getting ready for Sunday night, and Mickey wants to know
Speaker 4: if you have tickets for him for the US Open
Speaker 4: this weekend.
Speaker 8: When he arrives in town.
Speaker 7: I can work on that for you.
Speaker 5: I don't think we'll get in in time to see
Speaker 5: anything on Saturday, and Sunday ends up being a long day.
Speaker 7: Yes, that was gonna say. Good luck trying to get
Speaker 7: from New Jersey to Queens. That's about a two and
Speaker 7: a half hours.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, John, work on that weather for us, would you.
Speaker 7: I probably can't help you with that either.
Speaker 8: John Smelk.
Speaker 4: We appreciate it and check him out Giants Huddle podcast
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 8: And that does it for Mickshee.
Speaker 4: All right, good, okay, all right, we will reconvene for
Speaker 4: a fabulous football Friday tomorrow at noon.
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