1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: the Bonus with Doug. 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: Gottl What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, and the Bonus Fox 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: Sports Radio iHeart Radio app Welcome in. You know, this 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: is gonna be a really interesting NBA draft from this perspective. 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: Two players, both Duke players, and I think they're gonna 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: be really good pros. I don't know if they'll be 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: great pros. I think they'll be really good pros. I 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: mean again, it's just it takes a little bit of luck. 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: It takes obviously improvement, the right system, right everything around you. 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: But obviously I'm talking about both Cooper Cooper Flag and 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: Conk Nipple, and uh yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: to watch both as we've watched both play together this 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 2: year at Duke and try and determine, you know, what 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: ultimately is their ceiling. Again, I think Nipple is gonna 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: be really good. And the one thing about Canipple that 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: and he's not Luca. He's a very different player. He's 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: a shooter, he's like a I. I think he has 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: a chance to be a better, bigger, better version of 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: even a JJ Redick. Elite shooter, but guy who's an 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 2: all around better UH player and passer and bigger body, 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: so more versatile at the defensive end. He's not just 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: simply a sniper. But as much as we make the 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: NBA to be way more athletic than it used to be, 25 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: it's actually more skill and toughness based than it used 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 2: to be. And that's where con fits in. I think 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: the interesting part is, you know both have parents that 28 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: were that were players. You know, Cohn's dad was the 29 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: all timeling score at Wisconsin Lutheran, which is a uh, 30 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: I think it's a D either a D two school 31 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: an AI school in it in Milwaukee. Matter of fact, 32 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: he plays that he played at Wisconsin Lutheran High School. 33 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: And then you know, Cooper Flag's mom played at Maine, 34 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 2: and so you have and we're starting to see, you know, 35 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: obviously a trend of this, not that we haven't seen 36 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: players in the past. 37 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: Uh. 38 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: And we're gonna get to the where, you know, Carmelo 39 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: Anthony's son potentially, and UH, there's there's you know, Gilbert 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: Arenas's sons, and those guys will matriculate and eventually be 41 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: in the NBA. And I think they're more likely to 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: be real NBA players as opposed to what Browny was 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 2: this year. But I'm I'm fascinated by and Cooper is athletic. 44 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: He's not as big as people thought, it's not as 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: tall as people thought, but he is athletic. But I 46 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: do think there's something unique there about now. We're coming 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: into this generation of players whose parents were players and 48 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: who have our more skill based than freak athleticism based. 49 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: You know, and you know you can't you can make 50 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: guys more athletic, but you can't make them into freaks. 51 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: But you can make freaky athletic guys into better basketball players, 52 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: is generally the thought. 53 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: But I'm not sure how accurate that is. I don't know. 54 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see both because I think I 55 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: think Colin is. 56 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: Gonna be great. 57 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: You know, I thought one of the mistakes that Duke 58 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: made in the National Championship Game was going away from 59 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: con and going strictly to Cooper flag to kind of 60 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: win in the game. 61 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: What do I know? What do I know? 62 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 63 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 64 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and The iHeartRadio app. 65 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: Let's get to the Fox Says and now say this 66 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: time with the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast 67 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: who played for a previous version, previous portion of a 68 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Free or Fox Sports One show, Here's Dan 69 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: Patrick talk about Cooper Flags fit with the Dallas Mavericks. 70 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 4: Cooper Flag's going to go to Dallas. I don't think 71 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 4: he'll be the Rookie of the Year because he's going 72 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: to go to Dallas and I'll have Kyrie eventually, you 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 4: have ad you have Klay Thompson, they got some front 74 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 4: court guys. He's going to be asked to do Basically, 75 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 4: it'll change from night to night. Probably, Hey, you might 76 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 4: be scoring a little bit more. Hey, it might be 77 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: rebounding a little bit more. Maybe it's passing a little 78 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 4: bit more. I don't think that he'll be locked into 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 4: you better get your twenty shots, you better get you know, 80 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: you got to get twenty points. I don't think that 81 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 4: he'll be asked to do that. I think if he does, 82 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 4: that'll be a luxury. But I think Jason Kidd easing 83 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: him in and letting him find out exactly what this 84 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 4: team needs and when what he can add to that team. 85 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 4: But you've already got guys, you've won championships, you got, 86 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 4: you know, an experienced head coach, as Lebron said, you 87 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: got a future Hall of Fame coach and Jason Kidd. 88 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 4: And now you're asking Cooper Flag to just be one 89 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: of the guys if he went to Washington, if he 90 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 4: went to Brooklyn. 91 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: He doesn't. 92 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 4: He's not allowed to be just one of the guys. 93 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to disagree with Dan on that, Like, does 94 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: anybody know anything about the Washington Wizards from last year? 95 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: They were so bad that they traded Jordan Poole. You know, 96 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: they traded obviously Kyle Cusma mid season. They were just 97 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: a joke. So I understand what he's saying is like, yeah, 98 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: in that case, he'd have more opportunity to fail or 99 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: succeed and take more shots. I think this is the 100 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: best setup for a guy, especially somebody. 101 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: Who's his youngest. 102 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: Cooper Flag is as he reclassed last year to go 103 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: to Duke. Now, he wasn't like a super young reclass 104 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: but he's eighteen years old. But if you think about it, 105 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: he's got the chance they'll go to the playoffs that 106 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: probably go fairly deep in the playoffs. If Kyrie could 107 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: come back healthy and be anywhere near what he has 108 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: been previously, It's a big if, and Kyrie's had a 109 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: litany of injuries. But Kyrie, Anthony Davis, Daniel Gafford, Klay 110 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: Thompson like it's not a bad team, so I like 111 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: it for him. It's It's one of the reasons that 112 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 2: quarterbacks have talked about this for a long time. Sometimes 113 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: it's better to be drafted by a good team where 114 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: you're not needed to produce right away. But again, I 115 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: don't think I don't think there's anybody who thinks that 116 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: Cooper Flag is gonna average twenty five a game in 117 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: his first year in the NBA. He's eighteen years old. 118 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: He's gonna be a really good player, but you've got 119 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: to put realistic expectations on him. Here's Chris Brussard talk 120 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 2: about Tyrese Haliburton. 121 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 5: I thought his letter or his tech or tweet was perfect. 122 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 5: He Sady didn't regret playing. He Sady was understands there's 123 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 5: a long ahead of him, but he's up for the challenge, 124 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 5: and he thanked the city, the fans, his teammates like 125 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 5: this was perfect he say he's not feeling sorry for himself, 126 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 5: and I look, I'm gonna say this assuming and I 127 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 5: am making this assumption that he comes back same player. Essentially, 128 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 5: if he does that, he will be one of one 129 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 5: of the faces of the league. Not the he'll never 130 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 5: be I don't think the face, but he'll be, you know, like. 131 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: Yes, Like he's. 132 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 5: Got First of all, he's got the game. He makes 133 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 5: his teammates better, so his teams usually are good. He's 134 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: got the swagger, he talks trash, he's clutched, and now 135 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 5: he's got this story that everyone except you know, teams 136 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 5: that are playing against them, everyone can get behind and 137 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: cheer for. 138 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: Hmm, hold on okaick. Yeah, I don't know. We talked 139 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: about the letter yesterday. It was great. It was heartfelt. 140 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty articulate as well, and a 141 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: little bit stream of consciousness. But you're laying there in 142 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: your hospital bed and everybody leaves and you just want 143 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: to pen a note. 144 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily buy the I. 145 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: Would do it again, Like what do you mean you 146 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: would do it again? Would you run the risk of 147 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: tearing your achilles ten? And if you knew you were 148 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: going to get hurt and you were going to lose. 149 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: Probably not, but I do think what it says is 150 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: it was special, special run, special team, special group of guys. 151 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: They play a unique style, there's a good bond with 152 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: the city, and again it all works. But the big 153 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: question with Tyr's Haliburton is he was already a bit 154 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: up and down with the scoring. They are just games 155 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: in which he was not close to being a star, 156 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: despite the fact that he still passed the ball well 157 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: and he was still a threat. And this goes back 158 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: to the regular season, like there are variances in his production. 159 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: Now you throw in an achilles tear at that age, 160 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: which means he probably misses most of not all, of 161 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: next year. What does it look like for him? Does 162 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: he lose a step in terms of his explosiveness. Most 163 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: times when guys tear their Achilles tenants later on their career, 164 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: he's just coming into his prime. So I think that's 165 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: the bigger question. Is the note heartfelt? Yes, does it 166 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: show he's a bright guy? Of course, And as I've 167 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: told people right when we were kids, they say the 168 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: dumb jock, he's. 169 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: Clearly not one. 170 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: But it doesn't change the fact that at twenty five 171 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: he's towards Achilles Tenon, and you're usually not the same 172 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: player when you come back. 173 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: Here's Jonas Knox. 174 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: He said this about NFL owners at worst colluding and 175 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: at best strongly encouraging each other to limit guarantees in 176 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: player contracts. 177 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 6: He did say, quote, there is a little question that 178 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 6: the NFL Management Council, with the lessing of the Commissioner, 179 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 6: encouraged all thirty two NFL clubs to reduce guarantees and 180 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 6: veterans contracts at the March twenty twenty two annual owners meeting. 181 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 6: Now there's specifics to this which we can get into 182 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 6: at that point, whether it comes to Lamar Jackson's negotiations, 183 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 6: Kyler Murray, the Russell Wilson stuff. But just in general, 184 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 6: I'm not surprised, man, I'm sorry, Like, I'm not surprised 185 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 6: at all. I know it's a bad look for NFL owners, 186 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 6: but it doesn't change how I consume the league. Like, 187 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 6: it doesn't change how I feel about the product. It's 188 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 6: not going to make me stop watching the product. I 189 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 6: just work like I don't have any false pretenses about 190 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 6: what the NFL is. The NFL's a business, it's a 191 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 6: cutthroat business, and I do believe that owners probably have 192 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 6: discussions with each other while they're competing against each other, 193 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 6: so to speak, that there are discussions tampering, collusion. I 194 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 6: think all of those things exist. I think they've always existed. 195 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 6: None of this surprises me, So I don't know that 196 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 6: this is necessarily going to turn people off from the 197 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 6: NFL based on these findings. 198 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a I like what Jonas had to say, 199 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: but let's let's first start with the definition of collusion. 200 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: Right, it's a secret or illegal. 201 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: Corporation, cooperation, or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or 202 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: deceive others. That's not what this is. I'll just take 203 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: you in college basketball. I was at an event called 204 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: June Jim in Appleton, Wisconsin, and I was with a 205 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: coach who's a longtime friend of mine, who's a really 206 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: successful coach individual, but a higher level than our program. 207 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: And we started talking about how we do the paying 208 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 2: the players this year, and some teams do that, some 209 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: guys get paid a bunch, and some guys don't get 210 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: paid anything. Some teams do that you pay everybody the same. 211 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: Some teams do a tier system. And we start talking 212 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: about how you negotiate with him. That's what businesses do. 213 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: You know, there's business groups uh what are they called? 214 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: Uh with. 215 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: There's business groups within every city where guys get together 216 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: at for for breakfast, right, and you know a guy 217 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: who owns the rest guys who own restaurants, they all 218 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: get together in town and have a cup of coffee 219 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: and they talk about the challenges and I'm sure they 220 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: talk about, you know, different vendors and how they save money. 221 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: Like that's good business. 222 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: So if you think NFL owners saying, hey, it was 223 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: really fucking stupid to give Deshaun Watson, who has off 224 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: the off the field all these issues and then on 225 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,599 Speaker 2: the field he's had two acls and that's before he 226 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: tours Achilles Tendon a lot of money and hey, we 227 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: we shouldn't do this. This is dumb business. It's bad business. 228 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: And here's why it's bad business. That's not colluding, that's 229 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: not cheating. Okay, you're not cheating anybody anything. So I 230 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: get that Pablo Tory is somebody who's trying to find 231 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: the bad and all these big bad billionaire owners and 232 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: Pablo's are really smart. Guy, don't believe him me, just 233 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: ask him, Okay, and he's he went to Harvard. How 234 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: do you know somebody went to Harvard? Wait about ten minutes. 235 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: They will tell you several times over. Okay, but stop 236 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: looking for the boogeyman, because one thing Pablo hasn't done 237 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: is run a business. And I can tell you that 238 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: as a basketball coach. Now you're running a business, and 239 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: you better ask and have text with multiple coaches, even 240 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 2: guys in your own league, even guys you recruiting the 241 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: same guy. And now we're talking about money. That's not colluding, 242 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: that's not in secrecy, that's not cheaty anybody. That's good business. Hey, 243 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: what are you guys paying that guy? They don't have 244 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: to tell you, by the way, and they don't have 245 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: to do what you ask, what you say they should do. 246 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: It's called communicating with people who have the same position 247 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: that you have. 248 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: Period. Stop this story actually kind of annoys me. That's 249 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: what the Fox said. 250 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: Say. 251 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 252 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 253 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. 254 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: Let's find out who what's annoying? Jason Stewart. 255 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying. 256 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 7: I do that was before two Sundays ago. Nezza is 257 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 7: the one who defied the orders of the Dodgers, who 258 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 7: gave her an amazing platform to sing our most proud 259 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 7: song as a country in English. Those those were the orders, 260 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 7: and she defied orders. She sang her song. She was 261 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 7: vilified by a certain part of the pocost spectrum, and 262 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 7: then she was made famous by the other side. And 263 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 7: this I think is probably the issue with political discourse now. 264 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 7: It's and I just heard Chuck Todd and Jake Tapper 265 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 7: the other day on a podcast say, uh, politics started 266 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 7: to worsen when people realized that they could start being 267 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 7: famous as politicians. You can say the same thing about 268 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 7: political activists. And as a defied order, she sung the 269 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 7: Star Spangled Banner in Spanish and has become a hero, 270 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 7: so much so that very liberal talk show host Jimmy 271 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 7: Kimmel had her on his talk show last night. 272 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 8: Here she is, because guys, something you have to know 273 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 8: about me. I'm a Capricorn. Is anyone else a Capricorn? 274 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? 275 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 8: We don't like to be in trouble. We follow the rules. 276 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 8: We hate being getting in trouble. And I've never broken 277 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 8: a rule in my life. I can't even cut in line. Okay, 278 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 8: So like if teenage me saw that video of what 279 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 8: I did, I think she would pass out from anxiety. 280 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 8: But all I think the most simple thing I can put, 281 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 8: like this, most simple way I can put is like 282 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 8: the Mama Bear came out, like her telling me, no, 283 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 8: something just came over me. 284 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: That I still it. 285 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 8: Only happened seven days ago, so it's I still have 286 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 8: no words for what came over me, but I'm so 287 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 8: happy that. 288 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: I did it. 289 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 9: You did it, and it was Yeah, I don't know 290 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 9: what she was told by a corporation, a certain instruction 291 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 9: on how to do something the way that it's been 292 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 9: done ninety nine point nine percent of the time at 293 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 9: sporting events throughout the history of our country. 294 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 7: But somehow she's a victim. 295 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: Dug, that's what we do. That's what we do. That's 296 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: that's the new US, right. It's yeah, that one's that's 297 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: crazy to me. But then celebrating it, So you're not 298 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: Are you ticked off at Neza or at the. 299 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 7: Whose show is that Jimmy Kimmel? 300 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: Are you mad at Jimmy Kimmel's show. 301 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 7: No, it's annoying that she has become famous for defying 302 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 7: the orders of a corporation that gave her a platform. 303 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 7: You can perform at Dodger Stadium. There are agents, there 304 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 7: are record executives in the crowd Dodger Stadium. Performing at 305 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 7: Dodger Stadium is different than performing in Cincinnati. And she said, 306 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 7: fuck you, I'm going to sing the song the opposite 307 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 7: of what you just told me to do. And now 308 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 7: she's famous. 309 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: I will tell you, I will tell you we're feeding 310 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: into that by even talking about her. 311 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 3: But you're right. 312 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 7: Last night All Star second Basement, I think MVP candidate 313 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 7: is how I saw it referred to today. Could Tell 314 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 7: Marte Diamondback second Basement. I want to say they were 315 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 7: in Chicago and in the middle of a game. Could 316 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 7: Tell Marte started to break down and be emotional and 317 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 7: started crying. And it was later revealed that a white 318 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 7: Sox fan said something about his mother, who died in 319 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 7: a car accident in the Dominican Republic in twenty seventeen. 320 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 7: This is Tory Lavello after the game talking about that 321 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 7: terrible moment. 322 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 10: Fans are nasty and fans go too far sometimes, and 323 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 10: I love my players and I'm gonna protect them. I've 324 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 10: known Katel for nine years, and he's had some unbelievable, 325 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 10: unbelievably great moments and some hardships as well, and some 326 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 10: really really tough moments in his life. 327 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: And I know those and at the end of the day, we're. 328 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 10: Human beings and we have emotions, and I saw him hurting, 329 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 10: and I want to protect them. 330 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 3: I love you, and I'm with you, and. 331 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 10: We're all together, and you're not alone no matter what happens, 332 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 10: no matter what was said or what you heard, that 333 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 10: guy's an idiot and you shouldn't have an impact on you. 334 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 7: So this was a gen z I think twenty two 335 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 7: years old. He's been banned from the former Kamiski whatever 336 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 7: that place is called. And this exactly, this example is 337 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 7: the perfect example of someone being raised on social media 338 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 7: and people feeling empowered and emboldened to say things in 339 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 7: public that you write on social media platforms. 340 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest problem with social media platforms 341 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: is it makes And this is really my point about 342 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: you know, it's my big thing is, you know, don't 343 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: don't publicize some rando. And we do this occasionally, some 344 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: rando on Twitter or Instagram. Don't publicize it because that's 345 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: what they want, right And oh yeah, by the way, 346 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: that's not real journalism. 347 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: We talked about this with Kaitlyn Clark. 348 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: There's a movement out there for Kitlyn Clark to leave 349 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: the WNBA. 350 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: There's no movement. 351 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: You know, idiots on Twitter saying she should leave the 352 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: WNBA are people who don't know anything about anything. You know, 353 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: don't give them the validation of making their point as 354 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: if people who are matter agree with them. And I 355 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: think again, this is the issue of social media is 356 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: everybody thinks their opinion matters and they don't. And you know, 357 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: I know you like to part on gen Z, but 358 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: I think that gen X is just as responsible because 359 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 2: gen X tells gen Z you matter, you matter, everybody matters, 360 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: and they don't, and everybody's opinion shouldn't be heard. It 361 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: started with message boards, it moved its way to social media, 362 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 2: and those same guys that would say things on message 363 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: boards they would never say to you in person. Now 364 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: you know, they're out at a football game, of basketball game, 365 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: a baseball game, and they feel like they're empowered to 366 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: say say things. So yeah, it's also barstool does that too, right, 367 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: Like we're giving a mouthpiece to people who don't deserve it. 368 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 7: Speaking of Barstool, I think these guys are former Barstool. Okay, 369 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 7: what's the name of the busting Busting boys? 370 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 3: Busting with the boys. 371 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 7: I think they got a new new contract, right, They're 372 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 7: not Barstool anymore. George Kittle said something on that podcast 373 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 7: that I'll tell you what I find annoying about it afterwards. 374 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 11: It's like my cardio every day at the end of 375 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 11: my workout, so like I'll go, I'll lift, I'll run 376 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 11: my routes, run hills, and then I do like a 377 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 11: twenty minute aster session four days a week, no matter what. 378 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 12: No shit. 379 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 11: I love it. You feel, dude? Are you Also it 380 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 11: knocks you the fuck out at night on which is 381 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 11: you sleep so well and you have wild dreams too. 382 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 9: It's awesome. 383 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: I like systems doing a whole bunch of different things. 384 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, I'm not the main selling point is 385 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 11: you blow huge loads. 386 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 8: Oh that's what I'm gonna eat that batch? 387 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, So like what kind of loads were talking? 388 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: It sounds like huge ones, will huge ones? 389 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 9: I know. 390 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 11: I was like, I was like, how do I sit now? 391 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 11: I just got to say it, like that's how it 392 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 11: was sold, like to like players, It's like, look at 393 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 11: Booster Tasaser and you sleep really well, you're gonna feel great, 394 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 11: and you also blow huge loads like oh, that's bullshit. 395 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 11: Not bullshit. 396 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 7: In fact, the annoying thing is I find nothing annoying 397 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 7: about that. That is some of the most brilliant sound 398 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 7: we've ever played on this podcast. 399 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 2: What what is he say? Just again just for research? 400 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: What is he talking about? Is it a substance he takes. 401 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 13: Yeah, we're trying to vast machine system. I was asking Jason, 402 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 13: I've never heard of this. We'd all like to know 403 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 13: as men, we all like to know what this vasper 404 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 13: system is. 405 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's it looks like like a rowing 406 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: machine type deal. 407 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't I have no idea what it is. That's crazy. 408 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 7: I wonder is there any way I know you have 409 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 7: sleep number. It wouldn't be a conflict if we got 410 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 7: this system so that everybody at Fox Sports Radio could 411 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 7: blow huge loadsas. 412 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're trying to get me fired. Uh. 413 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: The Vasper machine, which combines vascular compression and cooling with 414 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: interval training, is a high end piece of fitness equipment. 415 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: The specific cost of the Vasper machine is not publicly. 416 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: The sitting can vary, but it is generally considered to 417 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: be expensive. For example, a single session with a Vasper 418 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 2: combined with oxygen training is priced at eighty five dollars. 419 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 13: So, yeah, I do what is scheduling my appointment right now? 420 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 7: Ye? 421 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: Vast therapy. Oh, here's a vaster machine for sale used. 422 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 2: Let's see does it have the price? 423 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 5: Yeah? 424 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. That's crazy. Oh, thirty four thousand dollars used, thirty. 425 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 7: Four to five thirty four thousand dollars. Yeah, that is 426 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 7: the That is more than most people make in this building. 427 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 7: So I don't I don't know if we're gonna be 428 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 7: able to bring one of those into Fox Sports Radio. Okay, 429 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 7: so Nezza the White Sox fan and Vasper being thirty 430 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 7: five thousand bucks used. 431 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: A Uh, that's the most annoying. But just the celebration 432 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: of people who they formed some sort of protest when 433 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: they were legitimately given an opportunity to promote themselves and 434 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: they do that NASA is annoying. 435 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: Why are we doing this because we can? 436 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 7: Draymond Green, he was on the Pivot podcast. He said 437 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 7: this still learning. 438 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: Oh, here's it. 439 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 12: There's some lessons like that that ultimately make me who 440 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 12: I am to this day. The guy who's sitting here 441 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 12: with you right now, it's not the same person. And 442 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 12: it took me a long time to accept it, because man, 443 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 12: I fucked that up, and I'm not afraid to admit 444 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 12: that to you. 445 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: Ah. Yes, what was he talking about? 446 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 2: Messing up doesn't matter if you want to listen to it, 447 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: listen to that pod in the meantime, Thanks so much 448 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: for listening. Why could we play for you? Because we can't. 449 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 2: This is Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Podcast on 450 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.