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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in stee j n V,

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Speaker 2: Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.

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Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. Now.

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Speaker 2: Jess is on maternity leave, so Laura Lossa is holding

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Speaker 2: it down with us, and we got some special guests

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Speaker 2: in the building. New film Deliverance is on Netflix August thirtieth.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, we have Lee Daniels and Andre Day.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Andre, Lee, Andrew.

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Speaker 3: You working, and and I said, and Day, Andrew you

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Speaker 3: And I know.

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Speaker 4: Some people do say you literally character character, you always

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Speaker 4: get it right. You were seriously just asking her?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: He has never said I'm always in her character when

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Speaker 3: she's working, but I am always even Billy Red.

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Speaker 2: How are y'all feeling? First and foremost, how y'all feeling good?

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Speaker 1: I feel like good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Really, yeah, I feel good.

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Speaker 1: I'm always good.

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Speaker 5: When did y'all develop this chemistry?

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Speaker 6: Because it's clearly can't be just something that's you know, done,

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Speaker 6: when y'all are working like you must have liked we're

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Speaker 6: each other.

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Speaker 5: We're together.

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Speaker 4: I told her, I was like, you stuck for like right.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want her for I didn't want to beat

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Speaker 1: her for Billy because she hadn't acted before. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: really didn't, you know. And then she didn't want to

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Speaker 1: do Billy.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't acted before.

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Speaker 1: And then I met her, Yeah, talking to the mic,

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Speaker 1: I met her, and then I fell in love with her,

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Speaker 1: and then we just sort of like we it became

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Speaker 1: kismet and then you see what that chemistry is like

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Speaker 1: you always see what the chemistry is, like what it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, same, it was. We had.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to do it either because I was

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Speaker 3: just you know, scared to act and because I had

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Speaker 3: never done it before and I do respect the craft.

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Speaker 3: But I was like, well, let me just meet with him,

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Speaker 3: because you know, at the end of the day, it's

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Speaker 3: a great person to meet, Like he's a legend, and

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Speaker 3: maybe he wants music for the movie something like that,

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Speaker 3: you know, And we did. We literally just fell in love.

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Speaker 3: And also that day fell and I love Billie Holliday,

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Speaker 3: like that's where the day and my name comes from.

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Speaker 3: And so I saw in him. He was a huge

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Speaker 3: fan of Lady Sings of Blues, but he had discovered

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Speaker 3: newly her story how she was fighting against racial terror

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Speaker 3: in America, singing strange fruit like to the detriment of

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Speaker 3: her you know, her life was in danger, and so

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Speaker 3: he really wanted to tell that story vindicate her legacy.

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Speaker 3: And that was just like Wow, that's amazing. And then

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Speaker 3: you know, you don't often meet people who believe in you,

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Speaker 3: sometimes even more than you believe in yourself, and that

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Speaker 3: is That's how Lee has been in my life. So

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Speaker 3: at this point it went from like Hey, I don't

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Speaker 3: know how to just like I trust him and when

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Speaker 3: it comes to anything.

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Speaker 6: So Lee, as a director, do you have like actors

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Speaker 6: and actresses that are like amused for you, like sort

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Speaker 6: of like when the painter finds a favorite color of

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Speaker 6: favorite hue, they use it in all their art.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, any Yes, Monique is one of them. Nicole Kitman

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Speaker 1: Andrew is certainly one of them. Uh, They're a group

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Speaker 1: of people that Taraji p Henson, there's a group of

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Speaker 1: actors that you just know that. No, I'm a nigga

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Speaker 1: that know that. I you know, I don't I'm not

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Speaker 1: that they that they protect me from myself, and I

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Speaker 5: I don't want you to. I want you to be yourself.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes because there's things that that he could have

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Speaker 7: Know how people did? I love watching you in interviews.

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Speaker 7: You don't do a lot of them, though, Is that why?

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Speaker 1: Because because I know that you know this, this this

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Speaker 1: it's really crazy. That's not how it started.

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Speaker 8: And for you, let me tell y'all.

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Speaker 4: He turned the whole phone off. He said, just.

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Speaker 1: Now, how was Monique doing?

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Monique? How was she doing?

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Speaker 1: She's great? You know what? And that made me take

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Speaker 1: a look at this that interview that you know when

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Speaker 1: It was fantastic getting back together with her. It was

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Speaker 1: part of the reason that we did the film. For

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Speaker 1: me was I think we're in some dark time. I'm

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Speaker 1: And I remember when I did Empire, it was really

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Speaker 1: but the homophobia was really real, and I dealt with

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Speaker 1: And the same thing with with this right here, this,

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Speaker 1: I feel we're in dark times. I know that we're

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Speaker 1: in dark times, and for me, it was about finding

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Speaker 1: there was a group of us that were summoned to Uh,

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Speaker 1: And so it was Chris Rock and Sam Jackson.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is before we understand that.

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Speaker 5: Meeting that he needed to step years ago, you need

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Speaker 2: What what made you think that? Because I was because

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Speaker 5: A year ago I was saying he should step down, and.

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Speaker 1: He was giving me hell for I was really I

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Speaker 5: Now, see, I'm glad you said continue I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: He said, I'm too busy trying to stop nuclear war

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Speaker 6: we focused on all the nonsense that he said instead

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was terrible, and so because we could be

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Speaker 2: It's about break down. What it's about for people that

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Speaker 3: It's uh, you know, okay, So you know where do

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Speaker 3: I start with this? It's it's really well, first of all,

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Speaker 3: It's physically she is fighting demons, right. The kids are

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Speaker 3: And I love the metaphor that the demons that we

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Speaker 4: Is it thriller? Is it horror?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 3: I think that for people to think that this is

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Speaker 5: The beef between well two questions.

439
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,640
Speaker 6: What was the beef between Monique's character and the grandma

440
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 6: And did that relationship in the movie reflect what you

441
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 6: and Monique was going through at the time.

442
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: The beef between the grandmam that was real. They caught

443
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 1: that right. It was just that, you know, you know,

444
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: the grandmom knew that Monique was not right, and Monique

445
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: didn't like the grandmom didn't care that the grand mom knew,

446
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 1: so that it was that type of energy. And No,

447
00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with me what me and

448
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: Nique was going through at all. Going back to work

449
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: with Monique was was like being on a bike and

450
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: and it was great, man, it was just great. She

451
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 1: she's phenomenal. And what I loved about this right here

452
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 1: in this race here is that imprecious. She was the

453
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: abuser in this she's the social worker in Gucci and jewelry,

454
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 1: looking beautiful going after the abuser.

455
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 7: The conversation that you and Monique had. We saw the

456
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 7: picture you posted when y'all were out to dinner. Y'all

457
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 7: were reflecting. You said, just now it was like riding

458
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 7: a bike, like it's just something you naturally get to

459
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 7: do after a while.

460
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 4: Did I post that to you posted.

461
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: That riding bike.

462
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 7: No, The picture and I just you're riding the bike

463
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 7: made me think about it because you said, y'all were

464
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 7: reflecting all your friendship, Like, what's the what's the moments

465
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 7: that you guys reflect on during this that helped her,

466
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 7: not even help her, because Monique is amazing on screen,

467
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 7: but kind of like helped the working relationship in real life.

468
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,239
Speaker 4: Like what are y'all reflecting on?

469
00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: Is it?

470
00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 4: Remember, Precious?

471
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: Is it?

472
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 4: Like? What is that conversation? Like at that dinner, At.

473
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: That dinner we had already it was just having fun.

474
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: We were just eating and having.

475
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: Fun, already squashed your beef and problems, worked on the film,

476
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: and at that dinner, it.

477
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: Was just like, can you believe this is over with?

478
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: This movie is over with? You know, here's the thing, Monique,

479
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: we not only did I want to make sure that

480
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 1: she was good, but I wanted to make sure that

481
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: we worked again and that she was paid well for

482
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: what it was. It was really important to me that

483
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: she felt it.

484
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 2: But now you hear more and more artists talking about,

485
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: you know, they're finally getting their value, they're finally getting

486
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: their work.

487
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: What do you say to that?

488
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 2: Because she deserves not just Monique, I mean a lot

489
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: of black actresses and actors of coming up here recently,

490
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: but like we're finally getting out.

491
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 5: Saying it's because of Tyler Perry parents.

492
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: I think that I come from a generation and the

493
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: last generation of just we were just so happy to

494
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: get in the door. I don't think you understand, like

495
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: they weren't doing black cinema. I was just lucky to

496
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: get I was blessed to be able to tell stories

497
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: like Monsters Ball, Are you kidding me? Like? Are you

498
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: kidding me? Like? They laughed me out of every studio

499
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: in Hollywood when I came to them with masters. But

500
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 1: who wants to see a fat kid at the end

501
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: died by what? No? With a mixed race what like?

502
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: They didn't want to see that kind of stuff. So

503
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: I had to go get drug money to develop this story.

504
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: Y'all know my history. Y'all saw it up there with

505
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: Damon Dash. I had to go into the streets to

506
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: get my art done, and I didn't care about it

507
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: at all because the art was going to live and

508
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: I would do anything. I would fall on the store

509
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: from my art. Hollywood wasn't fucking with me at all.

510
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: No studio. Every single solitary movie I've ever done has

511
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: been independently financed. The first time I stepped into a

512
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: anything was was with Empire Answer to the Suits studio.

513
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: I was like, what I got to answer to people. Okay,

514
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: that was you know, that was the first time.

515
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: Why do you think the street dude understood you more

516
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: than Hollywood at that time or was it one of

517
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: those things they.

518
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: Were like, here's a thing, right, I can't really scream

519
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: homophobia with black men all the way because you know again,

520
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: you know that was where my support came from financially,

521
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: because they see you for what you are, which is

522
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: a creative genius, creative genius you know, who can help

523
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: them do greater things with their money. Like you know

524
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, what does sexuality.

525
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 5: Have to do with it?

526
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 4: Question?

527
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 7: Another question for you and for both of y'all. When

528
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 7: the Demon reveals.

529
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 6: They made a movie about demon.

530
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 4: You can't wait to this crush run over?

531
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 7: When the Demon reveals himself to Ebony in the car

532
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 7: and then she gets out she runs off. Is that

533
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 7: symbol symbolizing like how you know there's things going on

534
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 7: and then you kind of ignore, like you can't ignore it?

535
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 7: Or like was it not even that deep? And like

536
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 7: why it wasn't.

537
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: Even that It was like it was a slow It

538
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: was a slow It was like an onion onion up opening,

539
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: like this is coming, It's coming. It's coming and again,

540
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. Again. I don't look at it

541
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: as a as a horror.

542
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 7: You are so annoying because you said it's all right,

543
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 7: back to the one, back to girlfa table broke.

544
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: Uh the it is? You know it's again? You know

545
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,239
Speaker 1: I don't again. It's a faith based thriller. And I

546
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,239
Speaker 1: think that the minute we start looking at her, it's

547
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: not hard because if you come in with Netflix even

548
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: wondered that they wanted to jump scare every two seconds.

549
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: I said, that's not me. I don't know how to

550
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: do it. I'm I am, and I want to examine

551
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: the human condition. So it's a slow sort of burn

552
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: into hell. Yeah, you think you're watching precious and I

553
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: yanked the rug from under you, and you're really watching

554
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: a thriller. Why do you think it's so hard for

555
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: Ebony to do? Right? A white woman called you. Can

556
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: you imagine your white mother calling you Ebony?

557
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: No, we remember we talked about that.

558
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: We were actually going to put that as a line

559
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: in the movie too, because it was just like what

560
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: kind of white woman named her child Ebony? Like she

561
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: was just so excited to have black kids. But I

562
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: think I mean, listen. You know, it's a really interesting question.

563
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: Why is it hard for Ebony to do right? Why

564
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: is it hard for any of us to do right?

565
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, don't we all struggle

566
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 4: with it to some degree?

567
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 5: Right?

568
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 3: You know? So I think that, like I said, you know,

569
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: I don't know that, and I don't know that she

570
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: always thinks that she is doing you know what I'm saying.

571
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: So this is when you actually, when you just spoke

572
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 3: about that scene where the demon kind of finally manifest

573
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: in the car and she's running and she's paranoid. I

574
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 3: think she's again we're dealing with a movie where and

575
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 3: this is often a thing in culture, right black women.

576
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: You know, we were talking about believing black women. Black

577
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: women are believed, But I thought about it the other

578
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: day and I was like, honestly, they're rarely even listened to,

579
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So I think I hate

580
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: when people are like, oh, black women allowed, and da

581
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: da da. But also we have had to work to

582
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: take our space and to make our voice heard and

583
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: to actually get people to listen to not just our

584
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: struggles but our triumphs and our support. You know, Like

585
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: I always remind people, there would be no I have

586
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: a dream speech if it was not black women who

587
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: actually organize and put that event together. So I think

588
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: we see a similar thing in Ebony is that she's

589
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: not I think it's hard, she's not being believed, and

590
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: it's a lot of pressure. You know, it's not you

591
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: can't it's a lot of weight to hold, and sometimes

592
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: you're gonna stumble, you know what I mean, and you

593
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: need help. And I think in that scene in particular,

594
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: you know, for me, it was just like she is

595
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: not even sure of what she's seeing. So forget society

596
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: or the social worker DCS, her mother, you know, forget

597
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 3: all of those people believing her. She's now kind of

598
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: questioning herself. Am I actually losing my mind? Am I

599
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 3: going crazy?

600
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: That's what you feel that so much all the time?

601
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 4: Am I crazy? Am I doing too much? Am I exactly?

602
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 4: And am I to fright the power?

603
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: Today? Yeah?

604
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: I'm trying. I was like, oh, okay, I felt that.

605
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: Am I You're constantly questioning yourself, even if you don't

606
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: have to do with demons. It's just like, am I

607
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: going crazy? Am I doing too much? Am I insecure?

608
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: Am I losing my mind. So I think that she's

609
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 3: a human, you know what I mean, She is definitely

610
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: a human.

611
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: You know. We never talked about that.

612
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you you wrote it in there. There's a

613
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: lot of things.

614
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: He was just telling me the person. I didn't do

615
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: much directing in that scene because you just sudden knew it.

616
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: And now I'm not gonna let him do this. He

617
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 4: always give his credit away. Yes you did.

618
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: You are always doing amazing directing and a lot of directing,

619
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: and it is amazing.

620
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: But you just did it. I remember that there's a

621
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: scene where she's outside. She's like this, you know what

622
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean, why why she should be doing that? But

623
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: I haven't directed her to do that.

624
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: But that's the question.

625
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: The constant like am I actually crazy? You know what

626
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So, and I think that's why. You know,

627
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: it's like anxiety, and I think that's what leads to

628
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: like addiction. Right, we see her struggling with alcoholism. So,

629
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: but she's trying. I don't think she's always not doing right.

630
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: I think she genuinely thinks she is doing right and

631
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: then and she's just she's a human, you know what

632
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: I mean, She's really trying.

633
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 6: The thing the scene that we was just describing, you know,

634
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 6: you questioning yourself. That is something that black people constantly do, right,

635
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 6: because there's all of these things that we know are

636
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 6: on top of us. We know that we're being oppressed, right,

637
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 6: but then there's other society will be like, you're bugging sexism, homophobia,

638
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 6: please right?

639
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: Exactly, it's always chopped up to conspiracy or you know

640
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And it's we're supposed to act like.

641
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: And honestly, sometimes I just wonder, in order to survive

642
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: and not lose your mind, you kind of almost have

643
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: to sort of be on autopilot for a little bit,

644
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: you know, because you're right, we do know the food

645
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: is killing us, right, we do know politics are probably

646
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: not really actually working for us, but we're required to

647
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: show up and vote otherwise we're not doing our civic

648
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: duty or not, you know, and of course those things matter,

649
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: but there's a there's an era of that where we're

650
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: supposed to act like we don't know that other things

651
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: are happening above us. I'll say above us, but I

652
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: don't like saying that. Maybe just in the realm where

653
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 3: we at, you know, so, and I think so we

654
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: see that exemplified in the movie.

655
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: She kind of it's like you feel fractured.

656
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: So I think she captured the depression right, and the

657
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: and the addiction right, you know, as a as a

658
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: recovering addict or as an addict. She captured the truth

659
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: of what it's like to wake up every day and

660
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: to fight depression and to get up out of bed

661
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: and not want to do drugs or to drink. She

662
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: captured that wholeheartedly with accuracy, I think, even better than

663
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: you did in Billy Holliday.

664
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

665
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: It was actually, first of all, when you said that

666
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: on set, I was ready to cry, but it was

667
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: harder and it was funny because I was questioning myself.

668
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: People were like, Billy Holliday will be the hardest role

669
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: you ever play. So okay, I was like, Nigga, does.

670
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: A lot wear me out right now? And I kind

671
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: of was like, am I crazy? Or have I just

672
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 4: lost it? Am I am? I? Maybe? Yeah, She's just.

673
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: She required me to deal with like you said when

674
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: you watched it, the same way. Playing her, she required

675
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: me to deal with things in my personal life, to

676
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: talk to myself about things and I couldn't.

677
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: And for my faith to grow and to change.

678
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: I don't think I could have played her if I

679
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: did not almost have my own therapy, you know what

680
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: I mean?

681
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 4: Surrounding it?

682
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: What do you want people to get out of this movie?

683
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: What do you at the end it is, what do

684
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: you want them to get out of it?

685
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 5: Really?

686
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: That you have to find because tomorrow isn't promised. You

687
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: have to find there's no This is not a joke.

688
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: Especially you have to sitting down with Biden, this sleepy ass,

689
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

690
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 6: So why y'all got mad when I told them to

691
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 6: step down? He just goes back to what I'm saying.

692
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 6: I'm gon t Let me tell you anotherhing about this movie.

693
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 6: Let me tell you another thing about this movie. This

694
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 6: movie shows you that I mean, I do like to

695
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 6: this movie that if you don't deal, if you don't

696
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 6: acknowledge your demons, you have to acknowledge them. Once they

697
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 6: reveal themselves, you have to acknowledge them. And that's how

698
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 6: you deal with them when they say, you can't heal

699
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 6: what you don't reveal. So when these things reveal themselves

700
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 6: to you, you have to deal with them.

701
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: So that goes back what I'm gonna talking about depression

702
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: And something that really hit home was when you were

703
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: bold enough to like sit there and say that we

704
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: get depressed, that this is this is real and uh.

705
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: And that's when I had a new found respect for

706
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: what you do because it's like nobody that's that's something

707
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: that's me, like coming out of the closet, you know

708
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: what I mean.

709
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 4: That people don't Yeah, we don't talk about me. We

710
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 4: don't talk We can't talk about it. Yeah, yeactly for sure.

711
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Even though we all deal with it for generations. Like

712
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: my dad.

713
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 6: My dad was going to therapy two and three times

714
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 6: a week, he was on ten to twelve different medications,

715
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 6: and he tried to kill himself back in the day.

716
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 6: I didn't find none of this out until twenty eighteen

717
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 6: after I started talking about my own issues.

718
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: So imagine if he would have opened up to me when.

719
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 6: I was a child, when I was hiding in the

720
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 6: woods because I was having bad panic attacks.

721
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: Because it and how was he received in the community

722
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: like with that right, because at your father at the

723
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: time going to therapy, that's crazy. I mean, talking to

724
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: like my elders and parents about therapy right now was

725
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, well, you know, we don't really

726
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

727
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: That you're from a small town, so everybody had to know.

728
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: I wonder if you didn't talked to people about it.

729
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 6: Well, you know when I asked my mom, I said, Mom,

730
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 6: you know that was going through all that. My mom

731
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 6: exact words was, I thought he was playing crazy to

732
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 6: get a check.

733
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: Because I love my father.

734
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: I love him so much.

735
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: I was talking to him about therapy the other Danny

736
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: he told me. I was like, Dad, you can't hold

737
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: on to everything right because things faster, they sit, they

738
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: did it.

739
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: He was like yeah, he was like yeah. I was like, so,

740
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: you know, I want.

741
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: You to just think about therapy and don't think about

742
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: it in terms of it's not that you're crazy.

743
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: It's just you check in with your health.

744
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: Right.

745
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: You get your heart looked at, you get so why

746
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 3: would you not get your mind looked at it? It

747
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: has direct impact on your heart, on your body. He said, yeah, yeah,

748
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: well you know Nigga my dad's sophie from Detroit. He

749
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: really liked a nigga from Detroit. He was like, yeah,

750
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: you know, I've actually learned. He's like, I actually kind

751
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: of do my own therapy.

752
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 1: I've learned.

753
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: I take it, and I put it in this box,

754
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: and then I like, you know, I basically a compartmentalize place.

755
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 4: So I tuck it away real deep.

756
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: I was like, right, I said, but all them little

757
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: prisoners are going to build up at a certain point.

758
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: So he told me, he was like, I just tuck

759
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: it away, and I was like, Dad, that's suppression. I

760
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: was like, that's the opposite of what we're talking about.

761
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 3: I was like, you got to talk about these things.

762
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: So it's just different the mentality.

763
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 6: And another conversation. I hope this movie opens up to

764
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 6: this point. We're talking about some people definitely need therapy. Well,

765
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 6: some niggas need to exorcism. So how many niggas do

766
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 6: you know but actually need an exorcism?

767
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: I think so, I think so listen, we're working in

768
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: the team.

769
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure. But I think also that because I was

770
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: thinking about this as as I was watching, a lot

771
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: of church people will say there's too much cursing in this,

772
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: there's too much like there's too much violence in this.

773
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: How can this be a faith based anything? Because there

774
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: and then you get into the politics of the church.

775
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: You know, you can get to the politics at the

776
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: church and just sort of deal with that bullshit, or

777
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: you can deal with spirituality and know that Jesus walked

778
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: with bookers drunks.

779
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've already gotten I literally got somebody hit me

780
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: the other day and was like, hey, you know, I

781
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: mean they asked politely, you know what I'm saying, but

782
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: it was like, hey, I don't understand how.

783
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: You're a believer and would do a movie about demons.

784
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: And I was just like, I remember, I think when

785
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: I get asked those questions, it's like, Okay, take a second,

786
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: take a beat. You could get offended, right, you know,

787
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: or you could just be like, there's not understanding here.

788
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 4: There's a lack of understanding. Maybe it's not on my part,

789
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 4: you know what I'm.

790
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: Saying, But I think that I it's always interesting to

791
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: me as a believer. I'm like, I read scripture, you

792
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I do devotion. Everybody scripture. I

793
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: was like, niggas demons in a Bible, Like, I don't

794
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: know what to tell you. There's crazy things like the

795
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: whole premise is not that this life is clean and

796
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: perfect and not scary and not what's that it's all

797
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: of those things. We just have somewhere to put it,

798
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: and as he said, if it's a different faith, you

799
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: got somewhere to put it, you know. Like, so that's

800
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: really and and something a why. We have a why

801
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: for how to navigate this craziness, you know what I'm saying.

802
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: So the idea that we're not supposed touch those things,

803
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: to me is very, very weird and not realistic.

804
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: You know.

805
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 6: Sometimes we use the demon thing to avoid the actual

806
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 6: issue though, right like when the grandma goes to the

807
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 6: past thing and tells us she thinks the house has

808
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 6: evil energy. It ain't just demon, just everything else you

809
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 6: talked about. It's the trauma, is the alcohol abuse, it's

810
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 6: the addiction. But it's like we'll talk about something supernatural

811
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 6: to avoid making better choices.

812
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: Right and unresolved issues with her daughter, because I think,

813
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: if I'm clear, I don't remember you and I talked

814
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: about this. But if I'm clear, you know, Alberta may

815
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: have changed. She received the Lord, you know what I mean.

816
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: She has transformed her life. And and that's why when

817
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 3: Ebane says to her, like you might have your little

818
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: church friends full, but I don't think we ever hear

819
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: a moment in there where Alberta goes to ebony and says, hey,

820
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry for everything I did to you and

821
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: allowed happened to you. It's more like I don't want

822
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 3: to talk about that. I've transformed.

823
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: Now.

824
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 3: Let me just be good to the grandkids and good

825
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: to everyone else around me.

826
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: And that's the way it works.

827
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really but it's hard because sometimes you need,

828
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: like you said, you just averting the issue. Sometime you

829
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: actually need to look somebody in the face and with

830
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: humility say I acknowledge what happened to you, what I

831
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: did to you, and I'm sorry.

832
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Which was part of my

833
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: journey with Monique.

834
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, got you, Yes, you know, and you did.

835
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 5: It first, right.

836
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I called her out of the blue, you know,

837
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: I wondered her and I was working on this y'all

838
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: see that that other horror movie that she did. Yes,

839
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: So this young this young filmmaker. I help a lot

840
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: of young filmmakers. Okay, So this young filmmaker called me

841
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: f out of the blue and said, listen, I'm working

842
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: on this movie and I need your help. So I said, okay,

843
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: So I saw the potential in the movie. It was incredible.

844
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: This kid was just incredible. And I worked with the

845
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: movie for free for six months because it was Monique.

846
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: She didn't know it. Six months. I helped him edit

847
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: the film because it was a little independent film and

848
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, this bitch is fucking good. She's

849
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: fucking real good. That was part of me realizing I

850
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: had to she had to work. She just had to

851
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: continue to People are missing out on her work as

852
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: an artist. And uh so finally I said, listen, you

853
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: don't notice, but I've been working on this movie. I've

854
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: been working on this movie for like four or five months,

855
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: six months.

856
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 5: She said, you sneaky bitch.

857
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 7: I know, come here cuts him out.

858
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: And so that that was the beginning of art of

859
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: my healing through this kid that I was helping with

860
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: his film.

861
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how did you how? I wanted to know

862
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: you know, I know you and Dame squashed your beef

863
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: as well.

864
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: How did you?

865
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: How did that happen? How did that healing happen?

866
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: That happened because I was told by my all white

867
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: team at the time time that I didn't know him

868
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: any money, and I knew in my heart that if

869
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: I owed the drug. Even though the movie didn't make money,

870
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: the movie did not make money. So in theory, on paper,

871
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know him any money, but I knew in

872
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: my heart that I told him I was gonna pay

873
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: him his money. So it was a it was a

874
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: it was a man to mand thing. But I'm listening

875
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: now to Hollywood because I'm in I've done an empire,

876
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, this is the way to

877
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: white people with this. This is way he's supposed to work. No,

878
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: it don't work like that. And so even though we

879
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: took a the movie took a hit, shadow Boxer took

880
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: a hit, I was you know I did. I did

881
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: the right thing with him.

882
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 5: Too, And how was that combination?

883
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: Did take a public humiliation for me to understand that

884
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: I did the right thing. Otherwise I would have been

885
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: just scurtainy, and I don't think so MA would have

886
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: come to I would have had that come to Jesus,

887
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: But he put it Jesus a little earlier.

888
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 6: I know you got to go in a few but

889
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 6: I want to ask you Lee about you know, because

890
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 6: you you've birthed a lot of people out here, right,

891
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 6: Jesse Smilett. What's that relationship like now? Because I remember

892
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 6: a few years ago they said, y'all were no longer

893
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 6: on speaking terms.

894
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 5: We text.

895
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: We text each other. Uh, we text each other. Here's

896
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: a movie that's coming that's out. I think that's coming out.

897
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. Uh. Look, it's it's so complicated, guys,

898
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: it's so complicated. Life is so complicated because of the incident,

899
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: because of the hoax, because it's themself. It's complicated. But

900
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: that whole situation was complicated. And I still don't know

901
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: what to believe. Honestly, I don't know what to believe

902
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: when people say he didn't do it. He did do it.

903
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: God bless him on his journey.

904
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 5: And is there room for him to come back? Is

905
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 5: what I'm trying to get at.

906
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 6: And because because somebody like you, it takes other black

907
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 6: people to keep that grace in that door open for people,

908
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 6: other blacks that make mistakes.

909
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: I work with him again, yeah, or I don't work

910
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: with him again.

911
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 5: Would you cast him in something?

912
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: H Yeah? I would cast him in something again. Got you?

913
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: It's a sun to me. You know, he was like

914
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: and he also represented me, and he also represented the

915
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: movement that we that I tried to to start, which

916
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I was starting and I was

917
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: so busy worried about Cookie's hat and the music that

918
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: we were playing. This was before Insecure, This is before

919
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: Black Panther, this we started that it was, it was

920
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: before all of it. The fact we didn't didn't even

921
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: know what it was. But I was so worried about

922
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: the the I was so worried about, like getting everything right.

923
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: It's the phone right here, you know, on the set

924
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: that I didn't know what was happening in the zeitgeist.

925
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's complicated.

926
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 6: Empire definitely ushered in the new Black renaissance in cinema.

927
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 6: But yeah, the only reason I asked that is because

928
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 6: we see white actors make mistakes and get chance after

929
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 6: chance after chance. It's like with our our people, they

930
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 6: just get thrown away, just started black ball, never work again.

931
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 6: But it takes people like you to make sure that

932
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 6: they keep working.

933
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: H Yeah, well, we appreciate you, and the film Deliverance

934
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: is out on August thirtieth on Netflix, and thank you

935
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: for joining us.

936
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: You guys are invited.

937
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: Don't wait so long, I mean seven years probably.

938
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't right now. Today today's it's in theaters in theaters,

939
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: It's on Netflix, August thirty.

940
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys for joining us. Andrew, I know

941
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: you'll be here again because you're working.

942
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: I'll see'll for Exhibiting Forgiveness. It was the next movie

943
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: that comes out in October. Yeah, what was it called

944
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: Exhibiting Exhibiting Forgiveness. Yeah, it's actually the painter. Have you

945
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: heard of Titus Kafard. Are you familiar with his work?

946
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: If you?

947
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: If you yeah, if you're yes, If you've not seen

948
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: his work, you should, Definitely. He's a painter, is actually

949
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: what he is. He's working in the Mad Everything. He's

950
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 3: from Detroit, actually, but he very similar. He tells truthful stories.

951
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: But he he has never done a movie before. He

952
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 3: just needed apparently painting was just not sufficing. He needed

953
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: a medium to be able to reconcile his relationship with

954
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: his father, who was definitely a victim of sort of

955
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: the crack epidemic, and so reconciling that relationship and and

956
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: learning how to forgive, and so he just started writing

957
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: his story down and he wrote a script. So this

958
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: is his debut, uh directorial debut, in its first time

959
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: writing a script. It's called Exhibiting Forgiveness. It stars Andre Holland,

960
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: Andre new ellis John Jokes and myself, and and he

961
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: just he really beautifully talks about that. Forgiveness is an

962
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 3: amazing concept. Obviously, we've seen it today, We've talked about

963
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: it so much today, but I think we forget how

964
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: hard fought forgiveness can really be. You know, it always

965
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: feels like you're letting someone get away with someone, or

966
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: you may get away with something, You're making yourself more

967
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: vulnerable to more pain. But so it really dives into

968
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: the idea that it strengthens you. But it is a

969
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 3: hard fought battle. So that's that's October.

970
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: When it comes out Your life is hilarious.

971
00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 5: You thought he was going to.

972
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: This man man and co. It was just like, okay,

973
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 4: acting it is. I was like, okay, here we go.

974
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: She's one of the most phenomenal actors I've ever worked with,

975
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: and I worked with all of them.

976
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: Truly, You're not gonna make me crying here, no, I really,

977
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: I really do love him. Between him and Missasha Smith,

978
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: who's also in this, I love her.

979
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 4: She She's just one conversation director.

980
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: She's director director, an incredible, incredible acting coach, and a

981
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: phenomenal actor.

982
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: She also should be a motivational speaker.

983
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 7: She she she gets you together in a voicemade she

984
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 7: could when she tells you.

985
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: So, this is what cracks me up. This is how

986
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: she would have got Biden together. She just looked at

987
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: and be like, coach excessive. And she stopped and she

988
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: look at me and she was like, I'm like, so,

989
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: I finished doing a little work and I'm looking at

990
00:44:59,320 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: her for a respond.

991
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 4: She look at me, She's like, sys, it's terrible.

992
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 5: Might be top three realist niggas.

993
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: My favorite, but both of them are the same.

994
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 3: That's why I was like, I know, if I'm in

995
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: the coaching session, I'm not getting no bullshit. If I'm

996
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: on set, I'm not getting no bullshit. When they say cut,

997
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, we got it. Like that's a good feeling.

998
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 2: We appreciate you for joining us again. Thank you, sir,

999
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: Andrew Day Lee Daniels.

1000
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club.

1001
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning.

1002
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 5: Breakfast Club.