WEBVTT - The Reggie Jackson Episode 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.720 Yet you know, boys, it's back and reoded all in 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.119 your mind. Yeah, not deep throating. This is for the streets, 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:12.399 the reel, the railroading, the distant franchise, the truth escape building. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:14.600 And they ain't know when we speak the truth, so 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.279 they ain't quoted because we wrote it. The North South 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.880 East coat is the g b my keeping your head bobbing. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.680 It ain't no stopping and wants to be drops head by. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.040 And then the system is so corrupt they throw the 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.280 rock out of their heads and then blame it on us. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.600 Don't get it twisted on code and me and dancing 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:39.640 for no fundament biscuits. It's Willie den y'all. Scar faces 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.360 in the building, Collective Louis are the ghetto boys, reloaded 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.320 with another episode of information and instructions to help you 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:50.440 navigate through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio, 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:56.760 Reggie Jackson a fan. We're talking living legend, We're talking iconic, 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.160 We're talking you know, even greater than his baseball accolaides 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:05.759 is his accolades as a human being. Reggie Johnson, Reggie, well, 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.280 you know what I knew I was gonna do that, 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.640 you know, Reggie Johnson, you for medi with Reggie Johnson, 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.679 the boxer. Reggie Johnson is a personal friend of mine, 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.480 so I always I'm always saying his name, and I knew. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.399 I was like, I don't want to mess up at 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:23.280 least once saying, uh, Mike mixing your name with Reggie's name. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.399 But Reggie Jackson is in the building. Fail. Um I 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:28.920 want to. I want to. I just want to just 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.280 like run down some of the accolades real quick. This 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.160 is important. Uh, just established you know why we're having 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:42.920 this conversation in the first place. Five time World Series champion, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:51.360 two time World Series MVP, two times Civil Slugger Award winner, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:59.640 four times a l home run King nineteen seventy three, 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.400 he was the m v P of the of the 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:08.080 league and in he was inducted into the Baseball Hall 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:12.760 of Fame. And you know, I was thinking about all 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.680 of these accomplishments of yours. Do you you know ever 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.760 have people come up to you and talk about your 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.240 stats and your records and you like, man, what are 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.000 you talking about? Like do you do you keep up 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:29.960 with that stuff? Um? Well, if I would be saying 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:37.000 that to someone, um, I I have that happened a lot. Um, 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.800 But I wouldn't say to them, do you keep up 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:45.200 with that stuff? I would be grateful and you know, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.560 thank them for being a fan, shake their hand and 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.519 say thank you very much. If they didn't want anything else, 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:58.240 I'd just say thank you, right and be honored. I 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:05.240 was looking at your d o, b you was born 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.200 in ninety six. You just had celebrated a birthday, and 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.720 did you actually celebrateed? Did you do anything special? I 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:16.280 was with my lady, my companion for thirty years, and um, 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.520 we flew to Las Vegas to do to have a 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.960 business lunch with a group of Honda guys. That there 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.800 was a big event there. So we flew to Houston 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.200 and on the way we stopped in uh Las Vegas 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.600 for a few hours, and we came down here and 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:40.840 had dinner with friends for my birthday. Uh, Kyle, did 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.960 I have dinner with you on my birthday? Yeah? I 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:49.920 came and I had dinner at the Potente in great restaurant, fantastic. Yeah, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:54.880 for my birthday. Right, right, we're having been lated. I 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.440 was looking at uh seventy six years old. I'm fifty five, 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.880 so another two many years I'll be your age, right, Uh, 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:07.480 your current age and I'm thinking, like you know, oftentimes 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:12.280 people would say, well, um, what would the old do 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:16.440 you tell the younger you? I want to know what 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:21.600 would the older you today till a fifty six year 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:28.960 old Reggie Jackson, Um, fifty six year old. Um, it's 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:33.400 not a young man. Uh. You know he was, and 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:38.800 I wouldn't even say he was middle aged. But you know, 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:44.039 at fifty six, you should be established. Uh, you should 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:48.159 own a home, um, and you should be doing things 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:52.320 that you love and enjoy. Not everyone has afforded that. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:58.320 That's a luxury. Um. Most people. My father at the 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:03.760 age of fifty six had support six seven, eight nine kids, 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.960 you know we had. He had six at home, and 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:12.080 he had another three or four of you know outside 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.400 that he had to support. So and he worked until 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.080 he was in his seventies too to keep hustling in 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:24.120 order to make life for themselves in himself. UM. And 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:29.800 so you know, it's a different world for an African American. UM. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.280 So I would tell you things differently than I would 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.479 tell a White American because the opportunities are different for 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:41.640 each even in today's world. So that makes a difference, um, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:46.000 you know, and trying to pass on UM, what would 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.240 be coming up in your life, and what you should 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:53.920 pay attention to really is where is your family, where 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:59.640 are your children? Who is your mate? Um? And what 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.839 are you plan on doing with the rest of your life. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:09.159 At fifty six, you're fifty five, Um, you should be 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:15.920 on a path of spending time and building your relationships 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:24.440 and solidifying your relationships with your immediate family, children, wife, brothers, sisters. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:33.400 At fifty six, both my parents were alive. UM, so 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:37.080 that's twenty years ago. My mother died in two thousands, 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.240 so she, you know, just recently passed. I was late 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:46.080 early fifties and my dad passed when I was forty seven. Um. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.839 But my dad had me when he was late because 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:54.279 he passed at ninety. So I was fortunate to have he. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.720 We were great friends. Um. My dad got to see 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.359 me play baseball. He got he was in a stadium tonight. 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:09.920 I had three home runs. Um. Yes, uh. When when 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.720 I got when I made it in the big leagues 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.160 and made it in professional sports, my dad was young 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:21.640 enough to receive the rewards of the money that I earned, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:27.000 and so I shared with my two parents. Helped all 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.680 brothers and sisters, but I shared with my parents. I 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.960 didn't want them to have a rough life at all anymore. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:42.240 UM and so I was very close to family. UM. 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:47.160 I became the nurturer of my mom and dad at 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:52.800 at probably forty five or fifty. UM and I helped 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:59.480 them when I was in my twenties financially, UM. And 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.920 that was important for me. UM. And as as a 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:08.480 colored Negro African American, I was all those things Nigra. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.000 You know, you know you're all those things. As you 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.040 were coming along in my era, UM, you know, you 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:21.640 made sure that you took care of your folks, um 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.239 and so, and I enjoyed it, and I was proud 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:32.240 of it. UM and I enjoyed my parents being comfortable. So. UM. 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.359 At the age of in my fifties, I was working 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:41.200 and gathering and still building the blocks of life. I 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:47.439 was still building my village, if you will, UM, garnering 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:52.120 and gathering assets to be able to take care of 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:56.920 and provide for my family around me. Did you feel 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:02.840 any panic? Panic? Panic? For it's like a sense of urgency. 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.720 Let me get this right before, No, no, no. I 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:11.319 went about it in a daily way. Uh. I had 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:16.720 conversations with God all the time. UM. I remember being 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.600 in Yankee Stadium, getting booed by the crowd. I had 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.560 had a tough time there in the early years, being black, 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:33.040 being a Yankee, wearing the pinstripes, and um, I wasn't 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:39.160 subservient as a colored man. I was. I considered myself equal. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:46.160 I demanded dignity, and so I had what was interpreted 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:51.520 as an arrogance, and I was I was arrogant because 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:57.880 I was constantly demeaned as a colored and so negro 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.360 um oh I had. I carried a chip on my 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.360 shoulder for a long time and got to the point 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.760 where when I would even see videos, I didn't really 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:13.480 like myself. But I was always defending who I was 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.120 as a man. You know, you're you're You're glad you're 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.079 here with the Yankees. You're you're lucky you're here with 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.880 the Yankees. And I used to go like, you're right, 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:27.040 but you're way more glad I'm here than me. Glad 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:34.200 I'm here. You're glad I'm here. And so I took 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.040 it that way all the time of rather cow towing 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:42.520 to someone, I wanted to be on equal ground and 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:48.800 be recognized for the man. I was not not the 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:53.840 the strongest coon in the room or the most powerful 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:59.440 and the most talented. UM athletes and African American athletes 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:04.880 were all ways considered a tremendous what an unbelievable talent, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.880 and the white athlete was a coach on the field, 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:18.880 a manager on the floor. Um, you know, great understanding 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:24.920 of the game. I could see great vision, Um where 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:28.120 the athlete and I have had conversation. I threw a 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.640 conversations with Michael just a couple of months ago in 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:36.600 Florida where he said, gos Reggie. You know sometimes I 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.760 still get upset with people thinking that I didn't work 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:45.960 on my skills and I just walked into gym. Game 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.520 started at eight o'clock. I rolled in at sixth already 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.720 got dressed and went out and played. And he said, 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:57.199 I know you understand that it took work to get 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.839 to where I got to, where my good fortune brought 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:07.800 me to where I am today. I've worked at it. Yes, Um, 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:12.560 who is at least in the paragraph of greatest athlete, 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:18.120 the great basketball player, He's in the last sentence. It's 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.840 either him or someone else that is the greatest. That 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.000 is the real goat. You know when I hang around 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.760 with him, then you've got a couple of goats in 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:31.920 the room with me in him or or whomever. But 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.160 when it gets down to the end that you know 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:41.280 the last few, you know Jackie Robinson, Hank Karen Williams, 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:47.320 Jimmie Brown, Michael, Jordan's chamberlain, Bill Russell. There was a 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.800 lot of cats, Tiger, There's a lot of cats in there. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:57.160 But you know Jordan's and five, six, seven, eight, nine 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.439 guys you mentioned there in the last paragraph, A couple 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.520 of them in the last sentence. When you get that 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.240 mini goats into one room, now it becomes a matter 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:13.000 of subjectiveness, right is it's it's it's it's whomever you pick. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:18.320 And those guys I knew of them all. None of 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:23.000 them have any preference of being the guy. They're comfortable 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:28.880 and grateful, uh to be in the paragraph, Um, you know, 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.840 in talking to my Michael the last time, describely the 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.360 best conversation I've ever had with him. He should Reggie, guys, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.400 I never thought I would be where I am today 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:45.199 for my my product and my my commercialism that has 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:49.280 turned into into the business that I've got. I never 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.160 dreamed would be like this, he said. I want to 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.920 enjoy it and share it. With my family. What what 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.880 what better words could you say? You know? Were there 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:04.560 any like similar opportunities for endorsement deals? Yeah, oh yeah. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.920 I made more money off the field and I made 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.600 on I made more money in endorsements. I had to 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.680 deal with Panasonic that paid me two hundred and fifty 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:18.440 thousand a year for twenty years. Nice twenty years. I 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.720 when I left them. I was with him for about 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.960 ten or eleven years, and they paid me for the 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:29.280 next eight for an appreciation of UM helping their brand. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:33.040 When I was in New York, we had a couple 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.360 of signs there that the Lincoln Tunnel, the most popular 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.440 sign in the world at the time, like having something 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.320 on forty two Street that you had to go by 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.840 that sign to get in and out of the city. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.160 And we had it for like ten years and I 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:52.480 only played there for five, but Panasonic rewarded me got 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.640 very comfortably for that. I wish I had known that 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.600 it was called Reggie Vision. Reggie, It's called Reggie Vision. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.880 Did you do any UM Coca Cola sprite or no 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.480 I Gatorade? Now there were no drinks like that, you know. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.520 I was on the cover of Wheaties or the box um. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.080 And then I did some Faberge stuff, you know, the 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:25.480 group Faberge with with Joe Namath and uh, you know 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:30.760 Puma shoes. Uh was was my brand for the longest time. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:35.120 And um, let it pays you. Oh yeah, yeah. I 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.880 did a lot of work for ABC Television. I was, 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.800 I did. I did several world series as an announcer 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.080 when I was a player, right right, right right. I 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:49.320 saw some of that, do you. You have often heard 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.960 the old adage, you know, ah, money ain't good money. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.360 Have that been opportunities that was presented to you? And 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.080 you would like, that's not consistent with my brand? And 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.360 I don't want the money. I don't care how much 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.320 money do you guys offer me. I'm not going to 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.920 endorse that. Proc um that I would say that that 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:13.360 has happened to me. But I never really was approached 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:18.360 by a brand I didn't want to be associated with. UM. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.479 You know, I was honored to do the the Panasonic 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:27.440 UM television thing. And you know, as as a young kid, 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.600 I watched an Admiral TV. I watched an r c A, 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.360 I watched the Philco. I watched them old raggedy ones 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.840 that you know, you couldn't afford that you could afford. Um. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.200 And so when Panasonic came along, it was an honor. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:50.240 It was turned down by Bill Cosby. And that was 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:56.080 a woman. Um. She did a lot of horror movies. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.600 I can't remember. She was the daughter of Curtis Jamie 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.119 Jamie Lay. She had a chance to do it, and 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.719 they Panasonic was offering them, you know, four hundred thousand 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:10.600 a year, and it was going to turn into a 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.439 million a year for them, and Bill Cosby didn't want it, 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.040 you know, unless it was seven figures. And I said 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.720 to my my agent said, they're offering two hundred fifty 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.399 thousand a year Reggie for three years with an evergreen, 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.320 which means after the third year, after the first year, 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.760 it extended a third year, and then after that year 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.760 you got another third year. So it was green for 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.960 three years. So when you got terminated, you had three 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.359 years left. I said, do me a favor. Don't send 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.320 it to me, sign my name and drive it over 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.959 to Jersey. I said, go and get that money and 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.600 get that deal and get it done. You don't need 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:54.000 to send it to me. Let's go back to win Cope, 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.199 Let's go back to Let's go back to to to 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:03.439 Abington town Ship. Let's go back to Montgomery County, Pennsylvania 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.399 where it all started for you. How was it like 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:11.560 growing up out there? Um? You know, we had uh, 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.840 six children at home with the parents, and my parents 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.760 divorced when they when I was six. My dad took three, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.880 my mom took three, and um, I don't know they 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:27.080 ever got a divorce and never remarried neither. But you know, 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.280 my dad was a hard worker. My mother was a 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:33.560 government employee. She was a hard worker. She moved to Philadelphia. 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.159 We lived in in um Wincote, which was just on 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.560 the outskirts of Philadelphia suburb, and my dad worked during 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.200 the day and he came home at night and cooked 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:50.440 for the three children. My once oldest sister left and 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.600 then my brother went to the service, and I was 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.920 really alone for a while. One of my other brothers 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:01.760 came and lived with us, got me through high school. Um, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.920 but it was based basically, you know, we had heat 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.119 in the house. Um, we didn't have a lot of 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.040 extra food, and my dad bought food home from work 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.199 every day because he owned his own business as a 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:20.240 tailor and dry cleaner. Um, you know, but we we 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.840 ate every day. Uh, a lot of times we had 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.040 to We had to wait till my dad got home 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.760 until we could put heat in the house because we 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.560 had to go buy five gallons of kerosene to get 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.920 the heat turned on it because it would run all night. 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.439 But you know, I had a tough, tough home life. 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.399 Went to school every day, never really took any days 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:46.800 off because you could get meals you could eat at school. Um, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.640 and you and I was always on a sports team, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.560 so you showered at school a lot every day. You 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.520 could shower there because at home, without heating the house 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.359 in the morning, it was too cold. There was no 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.879 hot water, you know, so we had to heat water 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.640 to wash wash up in the morning. Yeah, I can 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.520 relate to going to school to eat that meal, man, 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:14.000 because if if I didn't go to school, I probably 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.480 would not eat some day. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely can't 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.400 relate to that. You mentioned your brother help you out, 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.840 help you get through school household. Um, you know, he 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.919 helped me dress, uh, and and and we're the right 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:33.119 clothes things like that, and uh. But we you know, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.439 went to went to the same school for a while then, 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:39.440 but he left and then went to live with my mom. Um. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.960 But you know, we had a brothers and the sisters 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:49.399 and the family kids. We did stick together and uh 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.640 check in on each other. And you were four sports athlete. 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:59.080 You played baseball, basketball, football, and what was the other 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.760 ransom track and you ran track and track and field. 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.040 How did you gravitate towards baseball? Like? And how did 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.040 you get started with baseball? And how did you figure 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.680 out like out of all of these sports, I'm gonna 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:17.000 take my chances from baseball. Well, really, we had the 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:22.879 neighborhood baseball field in our backyard. Um it wasn't that big, 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.800 but you know, you could, you know, have four or 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.800 five guys on the team and play a game of 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:31.080 baseball in the backyard. And my father worked inside in 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.679 his business. He'd come out and check on it from 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.360 time to time. But the neighborhood games were a lot 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.520 of times in our backyard. That's hell of convenient, um, 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.400 you know, you know, so you know, and I had 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.000 to hit right handed a lot of times because if 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.240 I hit left handed and hit the ball or maybe 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.760 two feet, then it would go in the neighbor's yard 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.680 and in the garden and they'd either keep the ball 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.560 or yell at you because going in and chasing the ball, 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:01.439 stamping on their plants or you know, garden or whatever. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:08.760 But you had to. If you didn't, you had You 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:13.960 could play sports in high school junior high as well. 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:18.879 But if you weren't on the first team, UH, Dad 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:24.000 wasn't interested in building your social skills. You had to 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.080 come home and work if you weren't on the first drink. 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.080 So if you were sitting on the bench, you quit 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:32.280 the team and brought you at you brought you a 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:37.280 buttle work and helped you know so. But I made 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:41.680 all the first string baseball, basketball, football, ran track UM 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:46.720 during the baseball season. UM, and I went to college 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:54.120 at Arizona State University. I was a much better football player. UM. 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.119 I had size and speed. I was a hundred ninety 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:02.320 pounder pounder in high school as a half back UH 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.560 and safety, and then at Arizona State, I got to 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.600 about one seven at two oh three, ran a four 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:16.919 or five forty, had sized and I was really looking 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.960 to play pro football. UM. I had played baseball, and 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:24.320 I love baseball. I was probably the number one player 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:30.280 in the area in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia and all around. UM, 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:32.840 but I had a you know, I was with a 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:38.440 single parent and a lot of racism in my neighborhood 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:44.840 as a black kid. And I was angry and tough, 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:50.159 um from the racial slurs and racial stuff that you 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.000 dealt with all the time. So I had an attitude 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:59.280 and I was physical. Um. You know, if somebody would 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:04.800 call you a nigger, than you're going to what you? 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:11.520 I gotta beat you. You know, I would meet a 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.199 kid up and then take him to the principal's office. 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:16.480 You would take him to the prison to carry him 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.440 to the office and say I just beat him, beat 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:27.760 him up because he called me and nigger. Yeah yeah, boys. 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:37.720 Reloaded podcast will be right back after the set. You 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:43.560 played for Kansas City Athletics, Oakland Athletics, You played for 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.120 the California Angels, You played for Baltimore Orioles, you played 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.760 for New York Yankees. That's a lot of moving around, 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:55.359 you know. I often want to like when baseball players, 0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:58.600 football players, basketball players, and they get relocated a lot, 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.560 when they get traded and stuff that, how what kind 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:06.199 of impact that has on your family? Um? Well, I 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.400 was married for a couple of years with the Oakland 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.480 A's and so my tenure with the A's was eight seasons, 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:19.240 I was married into a single, married, and single again 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.800 in those eight years. I was only married for about 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:26.679 four years. I really wasn't ready to be married, and 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:31.040 I my home didn't have a marriage in it, and 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:34.720 so I really didn't quite get it. Um, wasn't the 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.360 best husband. Didn't really know how to have a friend 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:42.560 or friendship in in in your home between a woman 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:48.240 and you. So my my marriage failed. Um, and I 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:53.960 stayed single for the longest time, never got married again. Um, 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:57.800 but certainly have a you know, a lady in my 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:01.800 life now that's special. Yeah. You was getting a lot 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.320 of action though, man, I mean that's kind of hard 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.439 though to you know, like, especially if you're not ready. 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.280 If you say I'm not ready and you got women 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.880 coming at you from all angles, don't really too much 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.840 matter what you have at home. If if there was 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:17.800 women are coming at you like that, that's kind of 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:22.320 hard to resist. Well, I didn't really look at it 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:28.119 that way. That happened, but I was not. I didn't 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:33.399 have the institution of marriage under the roof I lived in. 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.720 My parents argued all the time. They finally got divorced. 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:40.200 I was six years old, and I remember the day 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:46.320 m HM when I was six, and so, you know, 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.320 so I didn't have a pattern, and I didn't have 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:55.440 the environment. You didn't know it, you know. And I've 0:26:55.560 --> 0:27:00.640 dated a couple of girls that had wonderful parents parenting 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:05.399 and uh parents that um. I dated a girl for 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:09.399 a few years and her parents were together for twenty 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.399 some years and they were still girlfriend and boyfriend in 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:17.720 their sixties. And it was so it was wonderful to 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:22.119 see it. Wonderful, you know, to be in a relationship 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.800 when you could see that the parents had created an 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.240 environment that the girl was going to make no matter 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.400 who she married, she was going to make a good 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:35.639 wife because she lived in that environment. I don't I 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:41.000 don't recall any stories of any wild stories of women 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.040 coming for you, you know, like we live in the middle. 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:47.800 We live in this meto era where guys get caught 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.760 up all the time, athletes and rappers, they're getting caught 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.960 up all the time with these these women coming after 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:58.680 them for money and and babies. And they got babies 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:02.000 and and they want the money. They're trying to get 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.439 to the money. Have you ever had a situation like 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:09.080 that before? Yes, I have. Um, you know, I had 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.040 a child at a wedlock, and it's probably the greatest 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.639 thing that's ever happened to me and the girl that 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:20.240 I had a child. The child with hired Gloria already 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.719 who was known to this day, and that was my 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:29.720 daughter thirty one years old. Glory already was around back 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:34.560 when she was four or five years old. Um, And 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:41.760 so you know, I went through it. I got through it. Um. 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:45.320 I got a wonderful daughter out of it. And I'm 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.640 blessed and grateful um that I have a spectacular child 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:54.400 that's given me a couple of grandchid grandchildren. She's given 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.480 me one two a little over two years old, and 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.760 she's uh seven months pregnant now and doing August, and 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:05.880 I'll have another, my grandson. And so I'm grateful for 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:12.959 um the gift. I went through a lot of trouble 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:19.640 with it, you know, economically, but um, you know I'm 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:21.440 gonna go with it just money at the end of 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.880 the day. Um, those kids, you know, do y'all go 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:29.200 out and do fun things, and you know I do 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.400 fun things with my daughter. The grandchildren are are a 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:37.240 little bit young. Um. You know my grandchild, Um, you know, 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.800 I've been around him quite a bit, watched him a 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.880 little bit. But you know he's at an age When 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:45.960 I first saw him the first day was born. I 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:51.920 was the first outsider to see him. Um, but you 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.440 know he's two and a half to less than two 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.920 and a half years or he's still Mommy's a boy, 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:04.920 you know. Yeah, you and Brad y'all have and had 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:09.160 a number of conversations, right, UM, I won't just want 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:13.680 to know, like, how does a guy like you be friendly? Guy? Like? 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:17.520 How does a guy like you be a friend of 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.440 guy like this? Mean? You know, like he's just him, Yeah, 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:35.560 he's he's incorrigible. Um. No, as I am curious to 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:43.120 know Mr Jackson, Like, at the end of the day, 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:49.280 what would you want it to read up under your 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:54.479 name in those lights? What would you want to be 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:59.000 said about you? I would want it to be said that, Um, 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:09.360 Mr Jackson was a great teammate in life, h Um 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:13.400 was a person you could count on, was always there 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:18.600 for you. Um that thought of his friends and family 0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:24.800 and people that he could help at least as much, 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.800 uh of he thought as least as much as he 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:33.800 thought of himself. Willing to help his friends and give 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:42.520 to his friends with everything that he owned or had. Um, 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:47.160 honest and honorable. He's a man with a good heart 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.800 and a person you can count on. I ain't no 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.160 doubt about Larry knew this. I just wanted the rest 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.720 of the world. Now you are working, You are working 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:03.240 with the astros these Yes, UM, I see you and 0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:07.280 Mr Crane together all the time. Tell me about Mr Crane? 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.880 Is he is? He? Is he cool as I think 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:16.719 he is. Jim Crane is a a man that's on 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:23.920 a wonderful mission. I agree. UM. You know his level 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:32.360 of intelligence, He's he's brilliant. UM has tremendous comprehension of 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:43.600 his surroundings UM, his environment, UM, the environment he participates in. UM. 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:49.200 He has great understanding of it and does translate his 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:57.880 his success. And you would use the term his wealth UM. 0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:03.920 And his wealth is beyond h. He cannot the economics 0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.200 of it, but he has a wealth of knowledge of 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:13.240 people and has an ability to create solutions for the 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.600 problems that he can make a difference in. And I 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:22.920 find those differences that he wants to make change in. 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:29.360 Is leveling the player the playing field of diversity. UM. 0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:34.640 He does feel for the person that can't that can't 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:39.120 help themselves. UM. And I think he's committed to it. 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:44.280 I think he's accept accepts the burden that has been 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:49.280 put on his shoulders to make change for the underserved, 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:55.840 to make the the playing field, the path, the carved 0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:02.280 one that has the signs of six says written every 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:08.160 mile or two. I'm one in the world here that 0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:12.080 that's That's how I feel about the jewel. Yeah, he's 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:16.920 They're trying to make sure that somebody else's He's concerned 0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:21.000 about others. And if you see him walk around and 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:26.160 walk through life, um uh, he will reach down and 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.520 pick up a piece of trash that's in the stadium, 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:33.640 that's clutter. He does that on the teabox, Yes, yes, 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.680 pick up a broken teeth, up the broken teeth. Um. 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.960 He does want to make a difference for the better. 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:49.759 Gets dumbfounded when people are I can't understand. Um, just 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:55.360 doing it the right way, just do what's right. Um. 0:34:55.400 --> 0:35:00.000 I believe that he in my three hours of success. 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.880 Um in the business world is the residual of doing 0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:11.279 the right thing. As revenue, don't worry about margin. I 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.880 don't worry about how much you're gonna get if you 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:19.200 do it right. People aren't concerned about what they pay. 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:26.359 People want you to do them right and then they'll 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:33.960 pay you. Are there any parallels between George stein Berner 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:40.360 stein Brenner and and Jim and Jim Crane that that 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.360 you see as was the way that they operate their teams. Um. 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:49.439 They both have a penchant for excellence. George thought that 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.600 we should be perfect as a team. He thought, since 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:58.359 he had the highest pay role with his team game, 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:05.160 that we should be a hunter s. He couldn't understand 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.239 how you know you could? Just you're better than that guy. 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.040 So why can't you hit a home run? Off? And 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.560 when you want to or when you need to, you 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:18.000 got to. You had three chances today. Yeah, you know 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:22.759 you're better than he is. Why don't you win? Um? 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.600 And UM? I see uh, I see some similarities with 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:34.239 the demand for excellence and the demand to be the 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:38.440 best you possibly can be. UM. Jim has a penchant 0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:41.520 for being a champion. He has a pensiont for pensant 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:47.920 for being first, for being the leader. Uh. Mostly because 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.520 he has the capability to understand it, plan it, and 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:57.720 do it, and so he's disappointed if if he doesn't, 0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:02.799 because he knows he has the ability to be number one. 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.040 You know, to be first, and so he's disappointed when 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.560 he's not. You know, we were there last year in 0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.360 the World Series and we were losing to Atlanta in 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:16.799 the sixth game, and uh, he said, damn it, I 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.520 just can't wait till it's over. It's terrible being here 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:24.799 like this. I said, well, there's thirty other teams at 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:28.440 home that would love to be in your spot. M hm. 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.360 And he kind of looked at me. So I guess 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:36.640 you're right. But you know, he wanted to want to win, 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:41.800 and for that you admire him. And he starts over 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:47.320 that day that we lose, he started over again, trying 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.759 to build a winner and build the champion to get 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.840 back to the World Series in two thousand and twenty two. 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:59.040 We have a chance. M Yeah. That was one of 0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:00.960 my questions. I want to know, like, what do you 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:06.239 think our chances well this year? Um, we're not the 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:10.960 best team yet. Uh. We're in first place by eight 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:16.520 or nine games, and we're fourteen or fifteen games over 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:23.799 something like that. Um, and we haven't hit yet. We 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:28.960 can be better. We haven't played We've played pretty good 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:34.239 defense defensively, we need to get better defensively, and we 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.640 haven't hit well at all, I'll bet you we're in 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:43.719 below middle of the pack offensively. Okay, would be interesting, Kyle, 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:47.279 look that up, buddy. So so, so, what do we 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:50.960 have to do to get better? Your players have to hit. 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.920 So we have the skills, we have the skill, we 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:59.520 have the um skill positions. You know, we have a 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:02.560 player to be able to make us one of the 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:05.360 top teams offensively in the league. And they've been that, 0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.880 uh in the last few years. They strike out less, 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:13.839 they're on base higher and higher percentage um. We put 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:17.120 the ball and play more often than anybody else. We 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.640 haven't done that this year. We're still in first place. 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.719 We're not in a good division, and I think we're 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.920 the only team in the division playing over five And 0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:29.440 I'm not really playing paying attention to a lot of 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.759 that now. Because you're sixty games out, you're sixty two out, 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:38.000 you've got a hundred to play. Everybody's gonna win fifty 0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:41.360 and everyone's gonna lose fifty. It's what you do with 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:47.319 the other sixty two. M hm, oh, yeah, you gotta 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:52.160 win forty of those. Yeah, you gotta lose fifty on 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:56.080 the win fifty. The other forty two. You win those 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.400 and you have the other sixty two. You want to 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.759 win forty forty two of them, and then you win 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.759 ninety two games and you're in postseason somewhere. Yeah, are 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:09.360 the four teams that you played for in your professional 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:13.080 twenty one years? Which team did you enjoy playing for 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:19.240 the most? I'm gonna answer it in amen, Yes, and 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:23.280 that I was there longer. I was groomed and born 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:29.320 with those guys eighteen, and I started in baseball at nineteen. 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:33.319 I was in the big leagues at twenty. Um, and 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:37.120 I played with Rudy and Bando and Raleigh Fingers and 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:42.080 the Blue and kept Fish Hunter and all those guys 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:46.000 like Pete Rose, he played with a camp And Arriss, 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:48.879 what you speaking of Pete Rose, what do you think 0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:53.120 about this, him being denied the opportunity to be in 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:57.839 the Hall of Fame. Um, Pete made his own bed 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:02.040 more than once, so I want. But Pete Rose is 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:04.200 a Hall of Famer and should be in the Hall 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:12.839 of Fame. There are murderers, racists, all that, and so 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:17.520 Pete Rose gambled. He took him forever to admit it. 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.839 But he fix on the games. No, he didn't fix 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.120 the game. He just bet on it right, he should 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.840 be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, I mean it's like, well, 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.719 that's like me and Willie betting. Yeah, he's been on 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.560 this stuff, right, or he's been on another game. He 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:35.560 bet on himself. But it doesn't matter though, right, m 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:40.960 he bet on himself. Oh man. The trip part about 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:42.960 it is that is that I bet you that some 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:50.160 of the people that punished him also bet Hell. Yeah, 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.319 you know you have betting now in the stadiums in 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:58.319 some places they have betting in the stadium in Arizona 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:03.960 Old base Yes, stop in the stadium. But see Peter's 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:09.759 passes eligibility now like he's outside, right, they can bring 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.880 him back because I thought after after a certain amount 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:16.840 of years, you're no longer eligible. Draft games is on 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:22.160 partially by Major League Baseball. Wow did you hear that? 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.879 Ain't that something? Yeah? But but but you can't bait 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:31.279 on you can't bet on baseball. Yeah, you can't be 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:36.399 on football either, not as a player. But they own 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:43.480 part of the gambling um businesses gambit and companies and 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:50.319 partners with them using the grade UH system of aid 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:55.960 to f What do you think Major League Baseball is 0:42:56.320 --> 0:43:03.280 in terms of racial diversity? Yes, is that the worst? 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.720 That's that's that's the worst. That would be the worst, 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:11.600 the worst. Why why is it so hard for Major 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:17.080 League Baseball? You know too, don't have a real focus 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:22.000 on change. They don't leadership doesn't have a real focus 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.840 on change. Leaderships does at the top. So we're starting 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.560 with the commissioner right, which started the commissioner's office, and 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:31.920 then then the other leaders of the the most powerful teams. 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:37.440 I can say that our team has the highest percentage 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:41.360 of minorities working in its organization. We have four hundred employees, 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:46.200 which would mean we have more than twenty or more 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:51.640 of our workforce is minority women in lb G, t 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:59.359 q UM, African American, Latin American, amor Asian. Is that 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:06.440 management positions that is throughout the entire organization, management from 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:10.440 the owner on down to you our on down to 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:17.359 you know whomever is employed there. Yes, I want to 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:22.080 be politically correct by not naming a position that you 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:27.000 say from the owner to yes, So you want to 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:31.600 you want to be politically correct and safe in all 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.840 of our employment, well, I want. I would be curious 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:38.760 to know how much of that percentage is African American, 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:48.560 is specifically black, management. I want to say that, Yeah, 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.560 he wants it our team to look like the city 0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:55.040 of Houston. And I understand the city of Houston is 0:44:56.480 --> 0:45:02.799 sixteen to eighteen percent minor African American. Can Yeah, we 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:04.799 may be hiding that, and I think that I think 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:08.239 that's thirty percent. I think Houston's thirty eight percent minority 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:14.040 than that. Google it. It's gotta be Will you google, 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.680 It's got to be more than that. But you know what, 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.279 I don't even I don't trust their numbers though, so 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.600 I'm not gonna even google it because because they'd be live. 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.360 We've been stuck at thirty percent in this country for 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.320 the last thirty years, you know, like they keep on 0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:33.719 saying black people represent We're around six between US and 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:38.600 Latin American Latinos. Uh, it's around thirty three to thirty 0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:44.319 five percent of the population. The third it's Latinos and 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:51.040 African American. And then I don't think that counts indigenous. 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:58.560 Let's go to Draft day nineteen sixty six and the 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:03.359 New York mess to news. Who were you thinking when 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:07.120 they when they picked over you for that number one. 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:11.160 I had had a meeting with our coach of the 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:16.719 baseball team Bobby Winkles, who was from Arkansas, and I 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.640 was the first African American ever they for them to 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:23.439 ever have on the Arizona State baseball team, the number 0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:27.239 one baseball school in the country. And he called me 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.040 and he said, Reggie, the draft is going to come 0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:32.440 up in a month or so, and he said, the 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:36.200 New York Mets are not going to draft you. While 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:39.480 you're heading shoulders above any other player in the country, 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.279 They're not going to draft you because they think you 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:47.000 will have social issues because you're dating a Mexican American. 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:52.040 And I said, well, my middle name is Martinez, which 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:56.680 comes from Latin America, comes from grandmother being Puerto Rican. 0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:00.560 What's the issue. He said, well, they think you're dating 0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:05.239 outside your race. I said, well tell him my mental name. 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:11.480 It didn't matter. The Mets did not draft me because 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:15.359 I was dating what they considered out of my race 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:19.279 by dating a Mexican American. Did she look white? Did 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:24.880 she have white features? She might have had white features 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:27.560 and the nose and lips and mouth, but her skin 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:33.560 was it's a color like mind, color of mind. You know, 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:38.120 New York mess You are some lousy y'all, just lousy 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.160 damn y'all allows it. Man, it's just just terrible, hard, 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:47.280 just man. Because he was gonna have some issues, social issues. 0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:51.120 But who he was dating, yes, dating, not who he 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.239 was married to, not who he had to drag to 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.480 New York with him, somebody he was dating. First of all. 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.560 It ain't none of the damn business. That's number one. 0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:05.440 She unless you some serious killers, some uh international terrorists, 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.919 you know that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying that 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:11.880 that that should not have mattered at all. That should 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.920 not have mattered at all. She was a killer, all right, 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:24.239 because she was. She was that fine. Man. I just think, Um, 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:28.880 just hanging out with you, um the past couple of months, 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:32.520 you and Mr Baker, this's the two thousand men himself. 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:37.040 I'm just learning a lot and I appreciate that there's 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:39.200 a lot of wisdom in the conversations that we have. 0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:41.880 And I just sit there and I just listened then, 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:43.680 because it ain't nothing else you could do but just 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.560 sit there and well, you know, and dealing with you 0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:58.600 scar um, your vantage point you're from whence you have come? 0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:07.560 H Uh? You get me really quickly. You get dusty 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:11.160 of him being able to say things to you or 0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:18.760 look at you UM in with the conversation going on easily. 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:23.360 You're easy to communicate with because you've lived what I've lived. 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:27.560 You they have experienced it. UM. I'm the head of 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:32.480 diversity for several companies I'm involved with. I'm probably the 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:37.600 top guy here where they with the astros for diversity. 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:43.279 I'm an expert. I've lived all the answers. M. There 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.440 isn't too much you can ask me. I don't know 0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:47.840 what the reaction is going to be or what it 0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:52.319 should be. UM. You can get into you can go 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:56.960 into a room and feel someone that's got issues with minorities. 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:01.280 You can feel them. You know someone's in the room. 0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:06.560 What why why? Why? Why do you think people have 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:12.480 so much animosity? So why do you have an issue 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:19.720 with a minority? It's an insecurity You're you're insecure, UM, 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:23.640 that that person is going to be treated as well 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:30.959 as you are. And it's a tragedy. Does that matter though? 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:37.440 It's who some people are because of their of their insecurity, 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:44.880 because their ignorance, because of their lack of understanding of life. UM, 0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:50.279 because of the of the God that's in heaven, UM, 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:54.800 what he's put in their heart. You're going against that um. 0:50:55.239 --> 0:51:00.000 To root against or pull against, or believe that you're 0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:05.320 better than someone else. Um is a sickness. It is 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:09.560 a sickness. Who would understand? Who would want to who 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:13.640 would want to stand uh over a man? What type 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:17.960 of man we want to stand over another man? I mean, 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:23.480 I want to be your guy and uncivilized mud. I'm 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:30.360 trying to it's it's an It's a very insecure person 0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:40.480 that's has a psychological or a mental issue, you know, 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.359 the word that keeps coming to me. They're just so 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:48.520 insecure about themselves that they want to make themselves or 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:53.120 to talk to you as though they're better than you. 0:51:54.360 --> 0:52:00.359 And that's pure ignorance, Pure ignorance as pure it can 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:04.799 possibly be by thinking that you're better than someone that 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:11.240 bleeds red blood. Come on, UM, When I look across 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:16.800 the room and see this young man here, his heart's pure, 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:22.319 he has no negative thoughts in his mind. And so 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:26.960 for me to think that he's because of his color, 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:32.920 he's less than me with the purity of his heart 0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:39.000 and mind. M How sick do I have to be 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:44.160 to have that thought? Where's where is my head? Have 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:51.279 to be or have been? How ignorant am I? What? 0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:55.440 What a fool, am I I'm I'm in a breach 0:52:55.560 --> 0:53:05.120 with God. You're you're troubled. I gotta be troubled to 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:09.640 think that. I did not think of him as a 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:16.759 pure person that's unimpacted with what is told by his 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:22.120 parents or what he hears. It's also pure what he 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:29.279 gets help him keep the wind beneath his wings. Why 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:32.279 would you want to pull that down? Why would you 0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:37.720 want to say something negative to a child of God? 0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:46.880 They're up to one to like. Really, you know, I 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:49.440 was in my shop. I have a car shop and 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:53.640 General Motors and all the big companies who come into California. 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:58.080 I'm connected with some car dealers and they want to Reggie, 0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:01.359 would you entertain our people have coming in town? Can 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:04.040 they come by your shop? You make time? I said sure. 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:07.520 I always have had probably seven or eight visits like 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:12.600 that for manufacturers, and they come by my place. And 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:18.799 I have a newspaper article from Charleston, South Carolina with 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:25.640 the sale of sleeves hanging in my shop. And then 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:28.040 people say, well, what do you have that for? I said, 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.160 I didn't. I haven't forgotten. I wanted you to know 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:36.440 I didn't forget. On my office door there's a plaque 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:41.000 made out of metal that I bought in Charleston, South Carolina, 0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:46.440 and it says no colored, And why you got that 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:50.239 on your door? I don't want to forget. And so 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:55.919 I've had people there. It was a manufacturer that came 0:54:55.960 --> 0:55:00.320 through my place. I won't mention it. I'm still acted 0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:04.000 with him. And uh. The guy asked me if there 0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:05.640 was a gentleman there, and he said, Reggie, why do 0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:10.480 you have the sale of colored for slaves? And I said, 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:14.640 I want to remember the term colored. I said, I'd 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:27.080 been Nigra color, Nigger, African American, black, multicultural, royd, n Royd, 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:30.600 I've been all those things. I want to remember that, dude. 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:36.880 And I said there was a children there and grandchildren, 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.680 and there was a child there that was ten and 0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:43.480 I said, have you ever heard the term colored before? 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:46.279 And she said, oh yes, Mr Jackson, I sure have. 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:50.879 Are you serious? And I said to the parents, I said, 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:54.479 that breaks my heart. This was about ten years ago. 0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:57.959 I said that breaks my heart because I didn't think 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:02.560 my daughter, who was oh now or fifteen would have 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:07.600 to go through that. But I see that she's twelve 0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:13.399 and she's ten years in because she's ten and she's 0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:16.720 heard the term. She heard it at home or in school, 0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:22.600 in her environment. She didn't make it up. Wow, I said, 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:26.320 So that's painful to me. And man, everybody got quiet 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:30.160 for three or four minutes. It wasn't an uncomfortable quiet 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.279 for me, but it was for a lot of other 0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:37.520 people that were there. See I called I called bs 0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:41.680 on On Hayden a person based on that skin color. 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:45.520 And this is why our strongest convictions that we have 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:50.319 in life comes from people who look like us. In 0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:54.640 most cases, if you were abused as a child, you 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:58.560 were probably abused by somebody who looks like you. If 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:03.279 you will or had a French friend who betrayed you, 0:57:03.640 --> 0:57:06.759 it was probably somebody who looked like you. If you 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:10.399 got chased tone from school, it was probably somebody who 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:14.360 looked like you got passed over for the promotion. Probably 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:19.040 if somebody looked like you. If you're white, if if 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:23.200 if there's a situation where a person cheated on you, 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:29.480 that person probably somebody that looked like you. So these 0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:35.480 things are really what helps develop our character. It makes 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:39.720 us who we are. But then you decide, well, I'm 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:42.200 not gonna hate all those people that did all that 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:46.160 shipped to me personally, I'm not gonna hate them. I'm 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:50.080 gonna hate them because I don't like what they look like. See, 0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.320 that's why I call bs. This is just and and 0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:58.120 so they these are just excuses that people use two 0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:02.120 to just to f I bad behavior. That's all it is. 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:04.840 It's just just people that you know, like like it's 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.960 it's like Reggie was saying, like, these are people who 0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:12.880 are just that have a low they they have a 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:15.320 little self esteem, and they have they have a load 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:20.000 like a standard for themselves. They just don't like themselves. 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:21.880 It's just like the guy who went out and did 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:25.600 the shooting in Buffalo, he called himself a white supremacist. No, 0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:28.720 you're not a white supremacist. You're a white inferioritist. That's 0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:32.200 what you are. Because if I'm if I feel superior 0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:35.880 over someone, why would I throw my life away for 0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:39.200 somebody As much as I hate you, I'm not gonna 0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:41.240 go kill you and kill you and kill you and 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:43.000 kill you and then go spend the rest of my 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:47.280 days in jail. I'm superior. Why am I throwing my 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:51.400 life away for you. I'm not even thinking about you 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.840 because I'm superior. See so they're not superior. They don't 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:58.680 even believe that they're superior. They use the white supremacy 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:01.120 thing so that they can get paid after they go 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.880 do some dumb shit, or so they can be honored 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.000 in some type of way by the sick bastards out 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:10.120 there who think like them. There's no way possible that 0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:14.920 if I consider myself a supremacist, what I throw my 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:18.120 life away over people who I think are lower than me. 0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:21.760 This is a guy who gave up on life. He 0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:26.520 couldn't hack it. He gave up on life. His storas 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:29.360 didn't want to get up and go do it. Billions 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:33.400 of people do every every day. Get up, go to work, 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:35.840 get up, go to school, study, whatever you gotta do. 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:39.400 He didn't want to do it. He wasn't good with girls, 0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:44.240 he was socially awkward, no friends, and so he's filling 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:48.680 down and done with life. So let me just go 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:52.120 out with a bang and go after them. You did 0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:54.760 what I'm saying. That's what that's about. It man, Low 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:57.960 self esteem, that's all it is. And it's the people 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:02.440 who don't who think very low of themselves. You got 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:05.320 to think low of yourself to go out and just 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:08.160 like a guy who would be a simp that go 1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:11.200 out and and and harm a woman because the woman 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:15.120 rejected him. Right, this is a guy. Why would you 1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:19.360 throw your life away? Okay, she she she, she stepped 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:21.480 out on you. She's nothing, she's all these names you're 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:25.840 calling her. So why are you sitting in jail. Why 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:27.520 didn't you put a gun in your head and kill 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:32.080 yourself for somebody who was all of these derogatory words 1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:36.040 that you just called her? Why that is because you 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:40.680 can't hack it. You feel low, you have low self esteem, 1:00:40.760 --> 1:00:45.080 you feel worthless, and the only way that you know 1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:48.200 how to make yourself feel some type of relief just 1:00:48.320 --> 1:00:57.680 for a moment, it's to harm somebody else. Yeah, I 1:00:57.840 --> 1:01:02.840 get it. That's where we y'all. And so I can 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:06.600 just man, I I can imagine some of the things, 1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:09.160 like I can't. I can't even imagine because some of 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:11.360 the things that I keep hearing about what happened back 1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:14.320 in the slave days, and I'm going like, wow, man, 1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:19.240 that's just crazy. I just I have a calendar in 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:22.120 the back of my truck right now, and it's a 1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:27.080 year calendar. But on every day of the year, that's 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:32.240 gonna say something that happened to black people. I want 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:34.440 to go grab that and I want to see what happened, 1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:39.080 you know, in the month of June. Just read all 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:43.320 some stuff that happened. I was June tenth. I'm gonna 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:45.000 go and pull it up and we're gonna see what 1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:49.200 happened on June teenth. I'm gonna be like on on 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:57.000 on uh July seven, eighteen sixty fifteen, people were hung 1:01:57.080 --> 1:01:59.200 and like it'll ever tell you what happened on that 1:01:59.280 --> 1:02:01.080 day on this on me And I think we should 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:05.560 keep that in here and bringing up on every one 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:07.920 of our podcasts so people can know what happened on 1:02:07.960 --> 1:02:11.680 this day. Interesting. In fact, I'm gonna go grab it 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:16.280 while you and listen. Jackson The Voids Reloaded podcast will 1:02:16.280 --> 1:02:25.720 be right back after the poet. Let me mask you 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:28.040 something I see I see, I see you sitting there 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:31.280 eating this this salad and uh, you know that's one 1:02:31.280 --> 1:02:34.920 of my favorite pastimes is to sit around eat salads. Uh. 1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:41.880 But how how um cognizant of view of your health 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:44.000 these days? And it's just in terms of you know, 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:48.600 keeping yourself fitting and eating the right kind of foods. 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:50.680 Is this something you do all the time, Like you 1:02:50.760 --> 1:02:53.880 eat salads all the time. UM. I try to eat 1:02:54.640 --> 1:03:04.080 um for my health. UM. I focus on superfoods, whether 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:07.360 it be broccoli or spinach, or whether it be kale 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:14.520 or sweet potato. UM. Those types of things avocado, UM deep, 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:18.400 the dark greens if you will, the different fruits and 1:03:18.520 --> 1:03:22.200 nuts that are healthy for you. The berries that are 1:03:22.280 --> 1:03:28.880 that are the blueberries, blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, UM. Those that 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:36.400 help you with antioxidants UM. Those that give you energy, UM, 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:39.960 those that have cures for pain, if you will. And uh, 1:03:40.240 --> 1:03:42.800 there are so many of the fruits that we can 1:03:42.840 --> 1:03:46.320 take and include this part of our diet that help 1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:50.760 us with our health. Be a diabetes, be a rheumatoidis um. 1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:55.120 Be at the different pains and joint pain that pains 1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:59.840 that you get as you continue to grow, old, arthritis, etcetera. 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:04.920 Are foods that you can eat um to help you 1:04:06.160 --> 1:04:09.760 get better and stay healthy. I was reading a book 1:04:09.800 --> 1:04:15.080 about health and about food and intake. And Uh, I'm 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:18.080 a belief. I'm of the belief that God has put 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:22.800 an awful lot of cures on earth, between nuts and 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:26.360 fruits and the vegetables and things like that that you 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:34.120 can eat UM to keep yourself healthy. You made a career, Yeah, 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:38.400 making your body work for you, using your body with athletics, 1:04:38.520 --> 1:04:44.400 and and I'm just wondering, like, um, I've always been 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:48.040 an athletic guy myself. I never played a pro sports 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:50.520 or anything like that. Well, I had a few provides, 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:59.240 but being healthy and using my body and my having 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:04.120 you know, uh, speed and agility has always been and 1:05:04.200 --> 1:05:06.920 being in strength has always been important to me. But 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:09.760 you know, get the older you get, of course you 1:05:09.840 --> 1:05:19.880 start losing some of those things, soility, getting getting getting 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:23.960 range in the left hook, come, come, come a little closer. 1:05:26.000 --> 1:05:29.520 So but my question, my question to you is like 1:05:29.600 --> 1:05:34.920 it's like, when do you do you Like, Uh, you're 1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:37.439 twenty years older than me. So when you look back 1:05:37.520 --> 1:05:40.400 again at that fifty six, when you were fifty six 1:05:40.440 --> 1:05:42.720 and where you are right now, how much has changed 1:05:42.720 --> 1:05:49.640 about your body? Um, I've lost a lot of muscle density, 1:05:50.960 --> 1:05:55.640 uh in my body. Um. You know I do have 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.200 some arts right to send my body, you know, which 1:05:58.280 --> 1:06:04.480 is a change. Um. I developed arthritis about eight nine 1:06:04.560 --> 1:06:09.320 years ago. Um, and I'm seventy six, which is late 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:14.680 to develop those kind of things. Um. Miraculously I still 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:21.440 see without glasses. I use glasses um to help my 1:06:21.560 --> 1:06:25.080 vision at night, but I can read without. I can 1:06:25.120 --> 1:06:29.560 read the calendar without glasses. Um. You know with that 1:06:29.760 --> 1:06:35.040 small print there, Um, the muscle density goes away, your 1:06:35.080 --> 1:06:41.000 strength goes away, your balance and equilibrium goes away. You know, 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:46.240 so you meaning your stability. Um. Do you have to 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:50.240 be intentional when you're walking? Um? Well, you know I 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:54.800 won't say intentional, but you need to pay more attention. UM. 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:59.600 I want to say there's Uh. The greatest percentage of 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:06.280 death with elderly people over seventy is a fall and 1:07:06.480 --> 1:07:10.760 something you hit your head somewhere. Um. So being careful 1:07:10.800 --> 1:07:13.200 of where you place your feet from time to time, 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:16.440 watch what you do, and going up and downstairs, running 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:19.520 up and downstairs. When you get to be older, you 1:07:19.560 --> 1:07:24.520 don't have the spring that your feet have recognized between 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:29.040 the stairs. You can be a bit short. You'll stumble 1:07:30.400 --> 1:07:33.240 with things like that, which is part of growing Oldso 1:07:33.360 --> 1:07:38.480 just pay attention, pay attention, learn how to eat, do 1:07:38.680 --> 1:07:42.800 some kind of exercise. UM. I like to walk to 1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:47.120 the three miles um three or four days a week. 1:07:47.640 --> 1:07:50.960 I like to go to the gym. Is many is 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:54.240 four to five days a week, even if you're going 1:07:54.280 --> 1:07:56.280 to gym for thirty forty minutes. You can get a 1:07:56.360 --> 1:08:00.440 workout in in forty minutes easy. Do you like? You 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:01.800 just do it because you know you need to do 1:08:03.680 --> 1:08:09.240 I like the results. I'd rather not go, but I 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:13.280 like the results of what happens with me. UM. I 1:08:13.800 --> 1:08:18.360 still walk straight up. I don't slump or hunch uh. 1:08:18.439 --> 1:08:22.360 And that's from weights and things like that. UM. I 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:26.080 lift weights in the in the shower every morning. Five 1:08:26.120 --> 1:08:32.960 pound weight for my shoulders because my shoulders are arthritic. 1:08:33.439 --> 1:08:37.120 But if if you keep them just a little five 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:42.120 pound weight, it'll keep your skin tight, keep your muscles toned, 1:08:43.000 --> 1:08:48.160 and as you uh develop the muscles around the arthritic 1:08:48.320 --> 1:08:52.679 joint it will help you with the bone on bone 1:08:52.720 --> 1:08:57.519 action that you have when they're arthritic. It lessens the 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:04.760 pain in your body with arthritis if you're strengthening the 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:09.679 muscles around the joints where the arthritis is, which means 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:16.559 in your hands, your shoulders, your knees, and hips. Yeah, 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:21.760 five pounds five pound weightways, get on it brand. Yeah 1:09:21.880 --> 1:09:25.720 you can. You can get a three pound weight and 1:09:25.840 --> 1:09:30.280 five pound weight you can grab in the shower. Gravitate, gravitate. 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:36.200 You don't think that's dangers lifting wasting the shower. Not really. 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:38.400 I want to get too high black out to hit 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:40.200 myself and the head would wait and be knocked that 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:46.839 even longer with my luck. Love, bro, I ask you earlier, 1:09:47.240 --> 1:09:50.720 you know what team you you prefer playing for? You 1:09:50.720 --> 1:09:55.160 know which team you had. I enjoyed the age, enjoy 1:09:55.439 --> 1:09:58.040 But what city you lived in? A lot of places, 1:09:58.080 --> 1:10:04.080 what city have you enjoyed the motion of it in? Well, 1:10:04.439 --> 1:10:10.280 I would say that I really did enjoy New York. Um. 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:13.719 I love the intensity, love the action, love the quickness 1:10:13.720 --> 1:10:17.920 and the speed of the city, the pulse of the city. Um. 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:23.479 Their appreciation for their their their idols and heroes of 1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:27.160 which I became one, you know by playing there, like 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:32.880 Joe Namath, Willis Ree, Lawrence Taylor, Mickey Mantle, Joe d. Jeter, 1:10:33.760 --> 1:10:37.800 you know all those guys that have been very successful 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:43.080 and and been honored. Marianna Rivera Um, Oakland is always 1:10:43.160 --> 1:10:46.960 and will always be a very special place for me. 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:50.240 I still own a home there. Um. You know, I 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:54.959 always appreciated the fact that they had a significant minority 1:10:55.040 --> 1:11:00.599 population there, and I enjoyed being successful there for because 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:05.160 my people had a great appreciation for my success they shared. 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:07.160 I feel like they shared it with me or I 1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:09.840 shared it with them, and still to this day when 1:11:09.880 --> 1:11:13.040 I go back. They had a fifty year reunion with 1:11:13.160 --> 1:11:17.639 the World Series team of seventy two, and we'll do 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:21.160 that the next two years. We have a fifty year 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:24.760 reunion in seventy three and a fifty year reunion in 1:11:24.880 --> 1:11:27.720 seventy four because we won three years in a row. 1:11:29.160 --> 1:11:33.760 So Gene Tennis, who was the Most Valuable Player of 1:11:33.840 --> 1:11:38.519 the World Series in seventy two, he had four home runs. 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:40.640 He threw out the first pitch and he walked up 1:11:40.640 --> 1:11:43.160 in front of the man and I was standing next 1:11:43.200 --> 1:11:46.920 to Raleigh Fingers, and he said, now, what this is 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:49.639 telling me is they're having the m v P throughout 1:11:49.680 --> 1:11:51.920 the first pitch. So a year from now, you're going 1:11:52.000 --> 1:11:55.599 to throw it out. And he said, two years from now, 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:57.559 it's going to be my turn. He says, I hope 1:11:57.560 --> 1:11:59.719 the hell I can do it when I'm seventy seven. 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:10.320 So so at seventies, seventies six, seventy seven, seventy eight, 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:14.280 seventy nine, eighty, do you see yourself still, you know, 1:12:14.360 --> 1:12:16.960 working with the Astros or working in some capacity with 1:12:17.200 --> 1:12:20.959 Major League Baseball. I'll be working with Major League Baseball 1:12:21.520 --> 1:12:25.920 and I'll be working with the Astros if Jim Crane 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:31.040 is here, because he's a special friend and a special guy, 1:12:31.240 --> 1:12:36.479 and I think he gets success and I think he 1:12:37.600 --> 1:12:42.880 we have a friendship that it's long lasting and special. Yeah, 1:12:43.160 --> 1:12:45.160 we can all take a page out of his playbook, 1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:49.519 you know, great to be a great human being. Like, yes, 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:56.000 we should all take a page out his playbook. He's fair, 1:12:56.960 --> 1:13:03.080 very very yeah. Yeah, let's see what happened. Let's see 1:13:03.120 --> 1:13:07.439 what happened to day in this month. I just picked 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:16.320 a day jun the fifties. It's the fourteen whatever of fourteen, 1:13:16.760 --> 1:13:20.960 nineteen seventy three. Two young black girls, fourteen year old 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:26.280 Many and twelve year old Merely Mary Alice Ralph are 1:13:26.400 --> 1:13:31.880 sterile sterilized at a health clinic in Montgomery, Alabama without 1:13:31.920 --> 1:13:38.920 their knowledge of consent. He's why black people to this day, 1:13:39.080 --> 1:13:41.840 I fear going to the doctor because we've been used 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:47.439 as guinea pigs about the years. We'll have a June, 1:13:47.600 --> 1:13:56.120 eighteen months after the Emancipation Proclamation is signed, enslaved black 1:13:56.160 --> 1:13:59.839 people in Texas finally learn about it when Union troops 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:04.639 arrived and tell them the Confederacy lost the Civil War. 1:14:07.080 --> 1:14:12.839 What do you think about these UH politicians actively passing 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:18.519 laws to prevent critical race theory from being taught in schools? 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:25.280 Defiant from it? So so critical race theory is is 1:14:27.360 --> 1:14:30.519 putting the information out there about slavery. They're they're saying, 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:33.759 you don't want you to teach it, like the true 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:37.440 history of America, like stuff that really happened during slavery 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:40.599 and and even post slavery, Jim Crown. They don't want 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:44.679 that taught in schools because they say it makes white 1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:52.320 children feel bad. A lot in Florida right now, they're 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:56.719 saying that you can't make um a group of people, 1:14:56.880 --> 1:14:59.880 a certain group of people feel bad for for you know, 1:15:00.280 --> 1:15:03.320 the pain that they inflicted or another group of people. 1:15:06.479 --> 1:15:12.720 I disagree with it because I want young African Americans 1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:19.559 to know what all African Americans went through and why 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:25.320 you're folks. When I say folks, I mean the generations 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:30.960 before you. The younger generation needs to know what you 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:37.559 went through, what you think about in quiet moments, why 1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:43.240 you may snap at someone or why someone may say, 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:47.560 young fella. You'll learn one day you'll have an understanding. 1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:53.200 It's part of the history of the country. It needs 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:58.920 to be learned, and I would like whether they teach 1:15:58.960 --> 1:16:01.080 it or not in school. I think it should be 1:16:01.120 --> 1:16:04.200 taught in school because it's what the history of the 1:16:04.280 --> 1:16:10.320 country is. We as parents should at the dinner table 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:17.839 in the life of that young person be told what happened, 1:16:18.120 --> 1:16:21.320 what his parents and his grandparents and his great grades 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:29.400 went through. It's it's it's pretty simple. This gentleman is thirteen. 1:16:29.880 --> 1:16:35.240 How old are you, son? Fourteen? So his mom, let's 1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:40.760 give her twenty years. Let's give her thirty four. Her 1:16:40.920 --> 1:16:46.200 parents are in their fifties or sixties. Their parents are 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:53.440 in their nineties. Okay, so nine years ago, it's nineteen 1:16:54.240 --> 1:17:02.280 thirty bitter bitter racism. Uh, then that's great. That's great parents, 1:17:02.320 --> 1:17:06.320 great grandparents. Your great greats are in the eighteen nineties. 1:17:08.120 --> 1:17:11.280 That's about as harsh and as bitter as it could 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:15.400 be for a black person with castrations when you did 1:17:15.439 --> 1:17:20.760 something wrong with the um, when they're accused you of 1:17:20.800 --> 1:17:27.040 doing something wrong with with the passing of your children 1:17:27.880 --> 1:17:32.720 and and grandchildren at the age of twelve to fifteen, 1:17:33.000 --> 1:17:36.360 eighteen years old, to go to the house and be 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:39.880 slept with it raped by the owner of the house 1:17:40.040 --> 1:17:45.360 or the owner of the slaves. Um getting caught when 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:48.479 you tried to break away and bring brought back to 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:53.920 the plantation and have everyone come outside and watch as 1:17:53.960 --> 1:17:56.840 they took four horses and tied it to your two 1:17:56.960 --> 1:17:59.280 arms and your two legs and ripped you apart in 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:03.800 front of every one. That needs to be remembered and 1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:08.880 recognized as to what happened as to why you are 1:18:09.040 --> 1:18:13.400 who you are today because of the things that were 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:18.879 inflicted and the experiences that your folks and your family 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:27.920 and your bloodline went through. Um, why that your your 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:31.479 grandparents or why some of the athletes in my era 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:38.520 had the determination and the drive to be successful. Um 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:42.840 that they were fighting for dignity or for a sandwich 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:49.160 to eat or heat in the house. That you're you're 1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:59.920 strong striving for success was life or death? Three? Yeah. 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:11.880 In regrets, I probably wish I would have had four 1:19:12.040 --> 1:19:17.160 or five children because I had the capability of raising 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:21.640 and in a good environment and getting them good educations 1:19:22.320 --> 1:19:28.000 and being positive impact to community mhm um. And I 1:19:28.040 --> 1:19:34.760 would have enjoyed selfishly. I would have enjoyed it. Yeah. Man, 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:38.840 this has been a spirited discussion. We really do appreciate 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:42.679 you in part your wisdom. I tell you, like as 1:19:42.760 --> 1:19:46.040 much as I've admired you on the field, off the 1:19:46.080 --> 1:19:55.200 field even more. Yeah, you know, I think there's a 1:19:55.240 --> 1:20:00.920 I sense a commitment and Brad scar I then call 1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:04.040 me Brad. I don't even likes going on. One wrote 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:06.400 we world it out so bad on stage until I 1:20:06.439 --> 1:20:15.920 I don't ever want to be scarred Jackson JJ actually, um, 1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:22.280 he used to be. I really do think that what 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:26.480 you're doing or you're trying to do is enormously important 1:20:27.920 --> 1:20:34.479 to pass on from, be it Dr j or Reggie 1:20:34.760 --> 1:20:44.000 or Michael Jordan's or Jeter Frank o' harris and the 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:51.160 guys that broke the barriers and lived it difficulty. They 1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:56.080 have stories to tell. And you know Bill Russell who's 1:20:56.640 --> 1:20:59.519 about ninety now, he's going to take it with him 1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:04.040 and he hasn't been heard by the youth of today. 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:08.720 And young people need to hear your what we experienced 1:21:08.720 --> 1:21:12.720 and what we lived with and what drove us and 1:21:12.760 --> 1:21:17.400 why you need to keep the bloodline going and keep 1:21:17.479 --> 1:21:22.479 the success in the drive um and and what gives 1:21:22.520 --> 1:21:27.240 you the impetus to to be successful and what you 1:21:27.320 --> 1:21:35.559 need to prove still you're still less than You're still 1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:43.640 not equal. Your community is still being impacted, pushed aside 1:21:43.720 --> 1:21:47.920 and be down. And you need to hear that and 1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:53.080 recognize that you've got a chance to make it. And 1:21:53.160 --> 1:21:56.679 when you make it, get back to your community. Share, 1:21:58.560 --> 1:22:02.560 tell the stories, Tell the things that gave you the 1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:06.960 drive and made you keep going. Talk about the things 1:22:06.960 --> 1:22:12.040 that are important, Talk about continuity and support for family, 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:18.920 talk about support for your community. And going to a 1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:24.479 grocery store and running into another colored person, black purse 1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:31.719 and negro minority, nod to them. Acknowledge that you're part 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:39.200 of their fraternity. Don't ignore, don't turn the other way, 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:42.360 look at the person and let them see you and 1:22:42.520 --> 1:22:49.120 nod and how are you kind of nod? I see you, 1:22:49.320 --> 1:22:53.880 I'm here with you. Good to see you with a nod. 1:22:55.400 --> 1:23:01.000 That we need to promote that teach that needs to 1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:07.040 permeate our community. We need to be together and not 1:23:07.160 --> 1:23:14.200 only blacks, but white stew and Latinos and and Amiration 1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:20.200 and the Indigenous, the American Indian UM. American Indian has 1:23:20.240 --> 1:23:24.760 been abused just as much as we have. UM. You 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:27.720 take a look at the Jews. I've always had an 1:23:27.760 --> 1:23:32.360 affinity for Jews. They've been beat down and murdered for 1:23:32.720 --> 1:23:38.439 no reason at all, none same as us. Six million 1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:44.040 Jews were murdered, and it's either eighteen million or or 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:50.400 thirty million African Americans. Um, and how many of the indigenous? 1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:52.599 How many of the Indians? The Indians were here first? 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:58.839 This ain't you? This ain't you at land? You know? Um? 1:23:58.880 --> 1:24:02.280 Of all the Indians that lived in the southeastern part 1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:05.439 of the country in Florida, and all the names of 1:24:05.479 --> 1:24:10.920 the towns of Indian names, they went and gathered all 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:17.679 those people and made them walk through the the tears 1:24:17.760 --> 1:24:24.160 of the trail of tears, Okay, and walked to across 1:24:24.200 --> 1:24:32.000 the Mississippi, no food, nothing, the trail of tears. I'm 1:24:32.040 --> 1:24:35.960 not quite it's not quite exactly that, but google it. 1:24:35.960 --> 1:24:38.559 It's a horrible story of what they did to the 1:24:38.600 --> 1:24:46.640 Indian in this country and how they've given them um 1:24:46.880 --> 1:24:51.879 money reparations and then the worst land in the country 1:24:52.800 --> 1:25:00.240 to live on, trail of trail of tears to yeah, 1:25:01.680 --> 1:25:06.519 tears of will we gonna have it? Could you find it? 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:12.360 Um tears? Kyle? Did you find it? It's approximately six 1:25:13.320 --> 1:25:18.000 in Hey, God, did you find it? What's it? Say? So? 1:25:18.160 --> 1:25:21.640 The lot. What's what's the title trailer? Tears? Here you 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:29.120 go ts Tears the series of fourth displacements, approximately sixty 1:25:29.120 --> 1:25:37.280 thousand American England. Well made him walk sure dead, Yeah, 1:25:38.280 --> 1:25:43.080 it's sure dead. And I don't even know about that. People. 1:25:45.160 --> 1:25:47.640 It's always a mind blowing conversation with you. Man, I'm 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:49.439 gonna go ahead and let you finish your salad now. 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:57.280 But fantastic, man, Absolutely fantastic. I roomed with a guy 1:25:57.320 --> 1:26:03.719 by the name of Brady Walker and call. I got 1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:06.479 a note from a guy the other day on one 1:26:06.479 --> 1:26:10.920 of the social mediums. He said, so and so I 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:16.680 went to college with you, and he's really sick. She 1:26:16.960 --> 1:26:19.479 passed away and he's going to be honored. And he 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:26.280 was your roommate in college. I was sitting with a 1:26:26.320 --> 1:26:31.040 few guys and I said, let me tell you about 1:26:31.040 --> 1:26:35.200 this story. When I went to college, there were no color. 1:26:35.360 --> 1:26:39.439 That room with whites. Said again, when I went to 1:26:39.520 --> 1:26:42.759 college there were no color, There were no colored rooming 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:48.160 with whites. I couldn't room with a white guy. You couldn't. 1:26:48.840 --> 1:26:50.320 How are you going to room with me? It was 1:26:50.400 --> 1:26:54.400 sixty four. They allowed me grows to vote in nineteen 1:26:55.520 --> 1:27:00.599 I remember that you could you couldn't. I didn't say nothing. 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:04.160 I just kind of chuckled to myself where somebody was 1:27:04.240 --> 1:27:07.200 wanting me to come or say something or pick up 1:27:07.200 --> 1:27:12.559 in video. Reggie, your root college room may die. He 1:27:12.680 --> 1:27:14.960 told that story. Well he didn't tell it to a 1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:20.240 colored person because then somebody would have said, when was 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:28.599 that number sixty four? Really? Yeah, Reggie bro No, we'll 1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:31.799 know white boy won't be rooming with him and weren't allowed. 1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:36.280 I was the first guy to have a white roommate 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:45.840 in baseball. Guy's name is Joe Rudy. It was big news. Really, 1:27:47.680 --> 1:27:51.960 that was big news. So I didn't know what to 1:27:52.000 --> 1:27:57.400 say to that guy. Man, you do you respond? Now? 1:27:59.320 --> 1:28:04.200 You should? I say? Come buy? Like Mohammed Ali Mohammed said. 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:09.320 We were talking and he said, oh he saw a 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:14.840 picture of the Last Supper. It said, Mama, I don't 1:28:14.920 --> 1:28:20.559 see no no colored angels sitting up there. I know 1:28:20.680 --> 1:28:25.360 there was colored angels, wasn't he? Where's all the color 1:28:25.479 --> 1:28:28.720 that this is the last super? Are they? They ain't 1:28:28.720 --> 1:28:38.360 in the kitchen fixing the biscuits in the honey. I 1:28:38.400 --> 1:28:40.320 had to tell that story every once in a while 1:28:40.360 --> 1:28:44.519 to bring some levity to that, to the horror boy 1:28:45.160 --> 1:28:49.240 levity to the horror Yeah, Brady Walker was my roommate 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:51.600 in college. That's the one that's sick and dad. He 1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:59.120 was six four no, so somebody just Brady was coloring 1:28:59.520 --> 1:29:04.839 Brady Brother Mississippi, you know. And he had a stammer, 1:29:05.040 --> 1:29:10.960 stuttered super guy. His family without send him corn bread 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:17.080 and biscuits, you know, out cookies to our dorm. And 1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:25.200 when we slept in the room, the womb wasn't no 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:30.479 bigger than this right here, but it was plenty good 1:29:30.520 --> 1:29:34.280 for you know, him and me. You know, it's eat. 1:29:34.320 --> 1:29:37.920 The guy had four or five pairs of pants, one 1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:41.320 pair of dress shoes, one pair of sneakers, four or 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:45.519 five pairs of socks, six pair underwear, a couple of 1:29:45.520 --> 1:29:47.599 T shirts and then you had you wore your football 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:51.360 T shirts around and there was always your clothes. You know, 1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:54.160 you went to school and you came home and took 1:29:54.160 --> 1:30:02.200 your clothes off. Hum. Yeah, And we conversations with the 1:30:02.320 --> 1:30:04.719 white guys lived in the same dorm, and they would 1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:11.400 laugh at Brady because he stammered, super sweet guy, and 1:30:11.520 --> 1:30:15.799 uh yeah, and I used to so he was stammered 1:30:15.840 --> 1:30:17.559 one day and they were laughing and I said, you 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:22.080 know something, Joe, Joe and Jeff. One of these days, 1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:28.519 Brady is gonna get piste off because you're laughing at him. 1:30:28.560 --> 1:30:31.799 He's gonna jump on you and he's gonna beat your ass. 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:37.120 For all those kids in Mississippi when he was five, six, seven, eight, 1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:42.920 nine ten, Levenswum calling him the nigger, He's gonna jump 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:45.880 on you and beat your ass and I ain't gonna 1:30:45.920 --> 1:30:49.320 do nothing about it. I'm gonna then after he beat 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:56.960 your ass, I'm gonna drive you to the hospital. He 1:30:57.120 --> 1:31:00.880 just looked at me like that, and they got quiet, 1:31:01.280 --> 1:31:04.720 and we went back in the room and Brady, like 1:31:04.760 --> 1:31:06.800 I said, he would lay down his feet be over 1:31:06.840 --> 1:31:10.559 the end of the bed. Reggie, I'm okay. I can't 1:31:10.600 --> 1:31:14.599 wait to call my mama, tell him what you said. 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:19.160 You talk to them white boys like you ain't got 1:31:19.200 --> 1:31:23.080 no problem. You ain't scared of nothing. I love to 1:31:23.120 --> 1:31:25.799 see you talk to them, and you want to know something, 1:31:27.439 --> 1:31:30.920 you gonna be right. One of these days if I 1:31:30.960 --> 1:31:36.720 ever get mad. There you when you was, when you 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:40.639 was playing, and you know when you got that name, 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:45.880 Mr October, did you ever feel any pressure to actually like, yeah, 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:47.840 I know it's the postseason and everything, and you got 1:31:47.920 --> 1:31:51.280 the name because of your your your ability to perform 1:31:51.800 --> 1:31:55.320 under pressure, but and in the in the clutch. But 1:31:55.720 --> 1:31:58.960 did you ever feel any pressure, any additional pressure in 1:31:58.960 --> 1:32:02.200 the postseason because us you had that title? Mr Otton, 1:32:04.320 --> 1:32:07.800 I guess if you look at Steph Curry or or 1:32:07.920 --> 1:32:15.439 Jordan's or any of those guys, Magic Johnson, Kobe Kareem, 1:32:15.560 --> 1:32:21.040 the greats. I really felt like when the postseason got close, 1:32:21.120 --> 1:32:25.120 I got better, and so I kind of relied on it. 1:32:27.040 --> 1:32:32.759 I relied on living up to the stories Paul Bunyan 1:32:32.880 --> 1:32:36.640 stories or the stories of what I was gonna do. 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:39.720 I kind of said, well, getting close October, I'm will 1:32:40.120 --> 1:32:43.719 be doing the thing pretty quick, you'd better be careful. 1:32:45.040 --> 1:32:49.240 I'm come out with a capon. But I kind of 1:32:49.280 --> 1:32:50.840 got to the point to where I believe that, and 1:32:50.920 --> 1:32:56.599 then it gave me a confidence. Nice Well, thank you again, man. 1:32:58.160 --> 1:33:04.839 Play here of two. This episode was produced by Aching 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:08.640 and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network 1:33:08.880 --> 1:33:10.599 and I Heart Radio.