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Speaker 1: Reggie Jackson a fan. We're talking living legend, We're talking iconic,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, you and Brad y'all have and had

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00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: a number of conversations, right, UM, I won't just want

427
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: to know, like, how does a guy like you be friendly? Guy? Like?

428
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: How does a guy like you be a friend of

429
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: guy like this? Mean? You know, like he's just him, Yeah,

430
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: he's he's incorrigible. Um. No, as I am curious to

431
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: know Mr Jackson, Like, at the end of the day,

432
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: what would you want it to read up under your

433
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: name in those lights? What would you want to be

434
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: said about you? I would want it to be said that, Um,

435
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Mr Jackson was a great teammate in life, h Um

436
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: was a person you could count on, was always there

437
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: for you. Um that thought of his friends and family

438
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: and people that he could help at least as much,

439
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: uh of he thought as least as much as he

440
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: thought of himself. Willing to help his friends and give

441
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: to his friends with everything that he owned or had. Um,

442
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: honest and honorable. He's a man with a good heart

443
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: and a person you can count on. I ain't no

444
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: doubt about Larry knew this. I just wanted the rest

445
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: of the world. Now you are working, You are working

446
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: with the astros these Yes, UM, I see you and

447
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: Mr Crane together all the time. Tell me about Mr Crane?

448
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: Is he is? He? Is he cool as I think

449
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 1: he is. Jim Crane is a a man that's on

450
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: a wonderful mission. I agree. UM. You know his level

451
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: of intelligence, He's he's brilliant. UM has tremendous comprehension of

452
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: his surroundings UM, his environment, UM, the environment he participates in. UM.

453
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: He has great understanding of it and does translate his

454
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: his success. And you would use the term his wealth UM.

455
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: And his wealth is beyond h. He cannot the economics

456
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: of it, but he has a wealth of knowledge of

457
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: people and has an ability to create solutions for the

458
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: problems that he can make a difference in. And I

459
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: find those differences that he wants to make change in.

460
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: Is leveling the player the playing field of diversity. UM.

461
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: He does feel for the person that can't that can't

462
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: help themselves. UM. And I think he's committed to it.

463
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: I think he's accept accepts the burden that has been

464
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: put on his shoulders to make change for the underserved,

465
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: to make the the playing field, the path, the carved

466
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: one that has the signs of six says written every

467
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: mile or two. I'm one in the world here that

468
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: that's That's how I feel about the jewel. Yeah, he's

469
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: They're trying to make sure that somebody else's He's concerned

470
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: about others. And if you see him walk around and

471
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: walk through life, um uh, he will reach down and

472
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: pick up a piece of trash that's in the stadium,

473
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: that's clutter. He does that on the teabox, Yes, yes,

474
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: pick up a broken teeth, up the broken teeth. Um.

475
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: He does want to make a difference for the better.

476
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: Gets dumbfounded when people are I can't understand. Um, just

477
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: doing it the right way, just do what's right. Um.

478
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: I believe that he in my three hours of success.

479
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: Um in the business world is the residual of doing

480
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: the right thing. As revenue, don't worry about margin. I

481
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: don't worry about how much you're gonna get if you

482
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: do it right. People aren't concerned about what they pay.

483
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: People want you to do them right and then they'll

484
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: pay you. Are there any parallels between George stein Berner

485
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: stein Brenner and and Jim and Jim Crane that that

486
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: you see as was the way that they operate their teams. Um.

487
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: They both have a penchant for excellence. George thought that

488
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: we should be perfect as a team. He thought, since

489
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: he had the highest pay role with his team game,

490
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: that we should be a hunter s. He couldn't understand

491
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: how you know you could? Just you're better than that guy.

492
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: So why can't you hit a home run? Off? And

493
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: when you want to or when you need to, you

494
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: got to. You had three chances today. Yeah, you know

495
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: you're better than he is. Why don't you win? Um?

496
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: And UM? I see uh, I see some similarities with

497
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: the demand for excellence and the demand to be the

498
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: best you possibly can be. UM. Jim has a penchant

499
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: for being a champion. He has a pensiont for pensant

500
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: for being first, for being the leader. Uh. Mostly because

501
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: he has the capability to understand it, plan it, and

502
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: do it, and so he's disappointed if if he doesn't,

503
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: because he knows he has the ability to be number one.

504
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: You know, to be first, and so he's disappointed when

505
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: he's not. You know, we were there last year in

506
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: the World Series and we were losing to Atlanta in

507
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: the sixth game, and uh, he said, damn it, I

508
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: just can't wait till it's over. It's terrible being here

509
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: like this. I said, well, there's thirty other teams at

510
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: home that would love to be in your spot. M hm.

511
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: And he kind of looked at me. So I guess

512
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: you're right. But you know, he wanted to want to win,

513
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: and for that you admire him. And he starts over

514
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: that day that we lose, he started over again, trying

515
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: to build a winner and build the champion to get

516
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: back to the World Series in two thousand and twenty two.

517
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: We have a chance. M Yeah. That was one of

518
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: my questions. I want to know, like, what do you

519
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: think our chances well this year? Um, we're not the

520
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: best team yet. Uh. We're in first place by eight

521
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: or nine games, and we're fourteen or fifteen games over

522
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: something like that. Um, and we haven't hit yet. We

523
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: can be better. We haven't played We've played pretty good

524
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: defense defensively, we need to get better defensively, and we

525
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: haven't hit well at all, I'll bet you we're in

526
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: below middle of the pack offensively. Okay, would be interesting, Kyle,

527
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: look that up, buddy. So so, so, what do we

528
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: have to do to get better? Your players have to hit.

529
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: So we have the skills, we have the skill, we

530
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: have the um skill positions. You know, we have a

531
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: player to be able to make us one of the

532
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: top teams offensively in the league. And they've been that,

533
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: uh in the last few years. They strike out less,

534
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: they're on base higher and higher percentage um. We put

535
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: the ball and play more often than anybody else. We

536
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: haven't done that this year. We're still in first place.

537
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: We're not in a good division, and I think we're

538
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: the only team in the division playing over five And

539
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm not really playing paying attention to a lot of

540
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: that now. Because you're sixty games out, you're sixty two out,

541
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: you've got a hundred to play. Everybody's gonna win fifty

542
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: and everyone's gonna lose fifty. It's what you do with

543
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: the other sixty two. M hm, oh, yeah, you gotta

544
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: win forty of those. Yeah, you gotta lose fifty on

545
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: the win fifty. The other forty two. You win those

546
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: and you have the other sixty two. You want to

547
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: win forty forty two of them, and then you win

548
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: ninety two games and you're in postseason somewhere. Yeah, are

549
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: the four teams that you played for in your professional

550
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: twenty one years? Which team did you enjoy playing for

551
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: the most? I'm gonna answer it in amen, Yes, and

552
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: that I was there longer. I was groomed and born

553
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: with those guys eighteen, and I started in baseball at nineteen.

554
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: I was in the big leagues at twenty. Um, and

555
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: I played with Rudy and Bando and Raleigh Fingers and

556
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: the Blue and kept Fish Hunter and all those guys

557
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: like Pete Rose, he played with a camp And Arriss,

558
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: what you speaking of Pete Rose, what do you think

559
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: about this, him being denied the opportunity to be in

560
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Um, Pete made his own bed

561
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: more than once, so I want. But Pete Rose is

562
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer and should be in the Hall

563
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: of Fame. There are murderers, racists, all that, and so

564
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Pete Rose gambled. He took him forever to admit it.

565
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: But he fix on the games. No, he didn't fix

566
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: the game. He just bet on it right, he should

567
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, I mean it's like, well,

568
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: that's like me and Willie betting. Yeah, he's been on

569
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: this stuff, right, or he's been on another game. He

570
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: bet on himself. But it doesn't matter though, right, m

571
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: he bet on himself. Oh man. The trip part about

572
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: it is that is that I bet you that some

573
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: of the people that punished him also bet Hell. Yeah,

574
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: you know you have betting now in the stadiums in

575
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: some places they have betting in the stadium in Arizona

576
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: Old base Yes, stop in the stadium. But see Peter's

577
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: passes eligibility now like he's outside, right, they can bring

578
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: him back because I thought after after a certain amount

579
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: of years, you're no longer eligible. Draft games is on

580
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: partially by Major League Baseball. Wow did you hear that?

581
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: Ain't that something? Yeah? But but but you can't bait

582
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: on you can't bet on baseball. Yeah, you can't be

583
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: on football either, not as a player. But they own

584
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: part of the gambling um businesses gambit and companies and

585
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: partners with them using the grade UH system of aid

586
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: to f What do you think Major League Baseball is

587
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: in terms of racial diversity? Yes, is that the worst?

588
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the worst. That would be the worst,

589
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: the worst. Why why is it so hard for Major

590
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: League Baseball? You know too, don't have a real focus

591
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: on change. They don't leadership doesn't have a real focus

592
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: on change. Leaderships does at the top. So we're starting

593
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: with the commissioner right, which started the commissioner's office, and

594
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: then then the other leaders of the the most powerful teams.

595
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: I can say that our team has the highest percentage

596
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: of minorities working in its organization. We have four hundred employees,

597
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: which would mean we have more than twenty or more

598
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: of our workforce is minority women in lb G, t

599
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: q UM, African American, Latin American, amor Asian. Is that

600
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: management positions that is throughout the entire organization, management from

601
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: the owner on down to you our on down to

602
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: you know whomever is employed there. Yes, I want to

603
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: be politically correct by not naming a position that you

604
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: say from the owner to yes, So you want to

605
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: you want to be politically correct and safe in all

606
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: of our employment, well, I want. I would be curious

607
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: to know how much of that percentage is African American,

608
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: is specifically black, management. I want to say that, Yeah,

609
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: he wants it our team to look like the city

610
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: of Houston. And I understand the city of Houston is

611
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: sixteen to eighteen percent minor African American. Can Yeah, we

612
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: may be hiding that, and I think that I think

613
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: that's thirty percent. I think Houston's thirty eight percent minority

614
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: than that. Google it. It's gotta be Will you google,

615
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: It's got to be more than that. But you know what,

616
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't trust their numbers though, so

617
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna even google it because because they'd be live.

618
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: We've been stuck at thirty percent in this country for

619
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: the last thirty years, you know, like they keep on

620
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: saying black people represent We're around six between US and

621
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Latin American Latinos. Uh, it's around thirty three to thirty

622
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: five percent of the population. The third it's Latinos and

623
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: African American. And then I don't think that counts indigenous.

624
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: Let's go to Draft day nineteen sixty six and the

625
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: New York mess to news. Who were you thinking when

626
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: they when they picked over you for that number one.

627
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: I had had a meeting with our coach of the

628
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: baseball team Bobby Winkles, who was from Arkansas, and I

629
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: was the first African American ever they for them to

630
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: ever have on the Arizona State baseball team, the number

631
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: one baseball school in the country. And he called me

632
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: and he said, Reggie, the draft is going to come

633
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: up in a month or so, and he said, the

634
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: New York Mets are not going to draft you. While

635
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: you're heading shoulders above any other player in the country,

636
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: They're not going to draft you because they think you

637
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: will have social issues because you're dating a Mexican American.

638
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: And I said, well, my middle name is Martinez, which

639
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: comes from Latin America, comes from grandmother being Puerto Rican.

640
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: What's the issue. He said, well, they think you're dating

641
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: outside your race. I said, well tell him my mental name.

642
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. The Mets did not draft me because

643
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: I was dating what they considered out of my race

644
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: by dating a Mexican American. Did she look white? Did

645
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: she have white features? She might have had white features

646
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: and the nose and lips and mouth, but her skin

647
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: was it's a color like mind, color of mind. You know,

648
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: New York mess You are some lousy y'all, just lousy

649
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: damn y'all allows it. Man, it's just just terrible, hard,

650
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: just man. Because he was gonna have some issues, social issues.

651
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: But who he was dating, yes, dating, not who he

652
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: was married to, not who he had to drag to

653
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: New York with him, somebody he was dating. First of all.

654
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: It ain't none of the damn business. That's number one.

655
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: She unless you some serious killers, some uh international terrorists,

656
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: you know that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying that

657
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: that that should not have mattered at all. That should

658
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: not have mattered at all. She was a killer, all right,

659
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: because she was. She was that fine. Man. I just think, Um,

660
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: just hanging out with you, um the past couple of months,

661
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: you and Mr Baker, this's the two thousand men himself.

662
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm just learning a lot and I appreciate that there's

663
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: a lot of wisdom in the conversations that we have.

664
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: And I just sit there and I just listened then,

665
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: because it ain't nothing else you could do but just

666
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: sit there and well, you know, and dealing with you

667
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: scar um, your vantage point you're from whence you have come?

668
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: H Uh? You get me really quickly. You get dusty

669
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: of him being able to say things to you or

670
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: look at you UM in with the conversation going on easily.

671
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: You're easy to communicate with because you've lived what I've lived.

672
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: You they have experienced it. UM. I'm the head of

673
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: diversity for several companies I'm involved with. I'm probably the

674
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: top guy here where they with the astros for diversity.

675
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: I'm an expert. I've lived all the answers. M. There

676
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: isn't too much you can ask me. I don't know

677
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: what the reaction is going to be or what it

678
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: should be. UM. You can get into you can go

679
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: into a room and feel someone that's got issues with minorities.

680
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: You can feel them. You know someone's in the room.

681
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: What why why? Why? Why do you think people have

682
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: so much animosity? So why do you have an issue

683
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: with a minority? It's an insecurity You're you're insecure, UM,

684
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: that that person is going to be treated as well

685
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 1: as you are. And it's a tragedy. Does that matter though?

686
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: It's who some people are because of their of their insecurity,

687
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: because their ignorance, because of their lack of understanding of life. UM,

688
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: because of the of the God that's in heaven, UM,

689
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: what he's put in their heart. You're going against that um.

690
00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: To root against or pull against, or believe that you're

691
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: better than someone else. Um is a sickness. It is

692
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: a sickness. Who would understand? Who would want to who

693
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: would want to stand uh over a man? What type

694
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: of man we want to stand over another man? I mean,

695
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: I want to be your guy and uncivilized mud. I'm

696
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: trying to it's it's an It's a very insecure person

697
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: that's has a psychological or a mental issue, you know,

698
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: the word that keeps coming to me. They're just so

699
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: insecure about themselves that they want to make themselves or

700
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: to talk to you as though they're better than you.

701
00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: And that's pure ignorance, Pure ignorance as pure it can

702
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: possibly be by thinking that you're better than someone that

703
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 1: bleeds red blood. Come on, UM, When I look across

704
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: the room and see this young man here, his heart's pure,

705
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: he has no negative thoughts in his mind. And so

706
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: for me to think that he's because of his color,

707
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: he's less than me with the purity of his heart

708
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: and mind. M How sick do I have to be

709
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: to have that thought? Where's where is my head? Have

710
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: to be or have been? How ignorant am I? What?

711
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: What a fool, am I I'm I'm in a breach

712
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: with God. You're you're troubled. I gotta be troubled to

713
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: think that. I did not think of him as a

714
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: pure person that's unimpacted with what is told by his

715
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: parents or what he hears. It's also pure what he

716
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: gets help him keep the wind beneath his wings. Why

717
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: would you want to pull that down? Why would you

718
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: want to say something negative to a child of God?

719
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: They're up to one to like. Really, you know, I

720
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: was in my shop. I have a car shop and

721
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: General Motors and all the big companies who come into California.

722
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm connected with some car dealers and they want to Reggie,

723
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: would you entertain our people have coming in town? Can

724
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: they come by your shop? You make time? I said sure.

725
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: I always have had probably seven or eight visits like

726
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: that for manufacturers, and they come by my place. And

727
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: I have a newspaper article from Charleston, South Carolina with

728
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: the sale of sleeves hanging in my shop. And then

729
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: people say, well, what do you have that for? I said,

730
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: I didn't. I haven't forgotten. I wanted you to know

731
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: I didn't forget. On my office door there's a plaque

732
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: made out of metal that I bought in Charleston, South Carolina,

733
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: and it says no colored, And why you got that

734
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: on your door? I don't want to forget. And so

735
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 1: I've had people there. It was a manufacturer that came

736
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: through my place. I won't mention it. I'm still acted

737
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: with him. And uh. The guy asked me if there

738
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: was a gentleman there, and he said, Reggie, why do

739
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: you have the sale of colored for slaves? And I said,

740
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: I want to remember the term colored. I said, I'd

741
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: been Nigra color, Nigger, African American, black, multicultural, royd, n Royd,

742
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: I've been all those things. I want to remember that, dude.

743
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: And I said there was a children there and grandchildren,

744
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: and there was a child there that was ten and

745
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: I said, have you ever heard the term colored before?

746
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: And she said, oh yes, Mr Jackson, I sure have.

747
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: Are you serious? And I said to the parents, I said,

748
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,479
Speaker 1: that breaks my heart. This was about ten years ago.

749
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: I said that breaks my heart because I didn't think

750
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: my daughter, who was oh now or fifteen would have

751
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: to go through that. But I see that she's twelve

752
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: and she's ten years in because she's ten and she's

753
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 1: heard the term. She heard it at home or in school,

754
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: in her environment. She didn't make it up. Wow, I said,

755
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: So that's painful to me. And man, everybody got quiet

756
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: for three or four minutes. It wasn't an uncomfortable quiet

757
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: for me, but it was for a lot of other

758
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: people that were there. See I called I called bs

759
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: on On Hayden a person based on that skin color.

760
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: And this is why our strongest convictions that we have

761
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: in life comes from people who look like us. In

762
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: most cases, if you were abused as a child, you

763
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: were probably abused by somebody who looks like you. If

764
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: you will or had a French friend who betrayed you,

765
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: it was probably somebody who looked like you. If you

766
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: got chased tone from school, it was probably somebody who

767
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: looked like you got passed over for the promotion. Probably

768
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: if somebody looked like you. If you're white, if if

769
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: if there's a situation where a person cheated on you,

770
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: that person probably somebody that looked like you. So these

771
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: things are really what helps develop our character. It makes

772
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: us who we are. But then you decide, well, I'm

773
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: not gonna hate all those people that did all that

774
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: shipped to me personally, I'm not gonna hate them. I'm

775
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna hate them because I don't like what they look like. See,

776
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: that's why I call bs. This is just and and

777
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: so they these are just excuses that people use two

778
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: to just to f I bad behavior. That's all it is.

779
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: It's just just people that you know, like like it's

780
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: it's like Reggie was saying, like, these are people who

781
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: are just that have a low they they have a

782
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: little self esteem, and they have they have a load

783
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: like a standard for themselves. They just don't like themselves.

784
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: It's just like the guy who went out and did

785
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: the shooting in Buffalo, he called himself a white supremacist. No,

786
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: you're not a white supremacist. You're a white inferioritist. That's

787
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: what you are. Because if I'm if I feel superior

788
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: over someone, why would I throw my life away for

789
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: somebody As much as I hate you, I'm not gonna

790
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: go kill you and kill you and kill you and

791
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: kill you and then go spend the rest of my

792
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: days in jail. I'm superior. Why am I throwing my

793
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: life away for you. I'm not even thinking about you

794
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: because I'm superior. See so they're not superior. They don't

795
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: even believe that they're superior. They use the white supremacy

796
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: thing so that they can get paid after they go

797
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: do some dumb shit, or so they can be honored

798
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: in some type of way by the sick bastards out

799
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: there who think like them. There's no way possible that

800
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: if I consider myself a supremacist, what I throw my

801
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: life away over people who I think are lower than me.

802
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: This is a guy who gave up on life. He

803
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: couldn't hack it. He gave up on life. His storas

804
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: didn't want to get up and go do it. Billions

805
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: of people do every every day. Get up, go to work,

806
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: get up, go to school, study, whatever you gotta do.

807
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: He didn't want to do it. He wasn't good with girls,

808
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: he was socially awkward, no friends, and so he's filling

809
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: down and done with life. So let me just go

810
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: out with a bang and go after them. You did

811
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what that's about. It man, Low

812
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: self esteem, that's all it is. And it's the people

813
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: who don't who think very low of themselves. You got

814
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: to think low of yourself to go out and just

815
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: like a guy who would be a simp that go

816
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: out and and and harm a woman because the woman

817
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: rejected him. Right, this is a guy. Why would you

818
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: throw your life away? Okay, she she she, she stepped

819
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: out on you. She's nothing, she's all these names you're

820
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: calling her. So why are you sitting in jail. Why

821
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: didn't you put a gun in your head and kill

822
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: yourself for somebody who was all of these derogatory words

823
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: that you just called her? Why that is because you

824
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: can't hack it. You feel low, you have low self esteem,

825
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: you feel worthless, and the only way that you know

826
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: how to make yourself feel some type of relief just

827
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: for a moment, it's to harm somebody else. Yeah, I

828
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: get it. That's where we y'all. And so I can

829
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: just man, I I can imagine some of the things,

830
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: like I can't. I can't even imagine because some of

831
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: the things that I keep hearing about what happened back

832
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: in the slave days, and I'm going like, wow, man,

833
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: that's just crazy. I just I have a calendar in

834
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: the back of my truck right now, and it's a

835
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: year calendar. But on every day of the year, that's

836
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: gonna say something that happened to black people. I want

837
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: to go grab that and I want to see what happened,

838
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, in the month of June. Just read all

839
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: some stuff that happened. I was June tenth. I'm gonna

840
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: go and pull it up and we're gonna see what

841
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: happened on June teenth. I'm gonna be like on on

842
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: on uh July seven, eighteen sixty fifteen, people were hung

843
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: and like it'll ever tell you what happened on that

844
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: day on this on me And I think we should

845
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: keep that in here and bringing up on every one

846
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: of our podcasts so people can know what happened on

847
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: this day. Interesting. In fact, I'm gonna go grab it

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Speaker 1: while you and listen. Jackson The Voids Reloaded podcast will

849
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Speaker 1: be right back after the poet. Let me mask you

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Speaker 1: something I see I see, I see you sitting there

851
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: eating this this salad and uh, you know that's one

852
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: of my favorite pastimes is to sit around eat salads. Uh.

853
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: But how how um cognizant of view of your health

854
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: these days? And it's just in terms of you know,

855
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: keeping yourself fitting and eating the right kind of foods.

856
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: Is this something you do all the time, Like you

857
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: eat salads all the time. UM. I try to eat

858
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: um for my health. UM. I focus on superfoods, whether

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01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: it be broccoli or spinach, or whether it be kale

860
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: or sweet potato. UM. Those types of things avocado, UM deep,

861
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: the dark greens if you will, the different fruits and

862
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: nuts that are healthy for you. The berries that are

863
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: that are the blueberries, blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, UM. Those that

864
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: help you with antioxidants UM. Those that give you energy, UM,

865
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: those that have cures for pain, if you will. And uh,

866
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Speaker 1: there are so many of the fruits that we can

867
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Speaker 1: take and include this part of our diet that help

868
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: us with our health. Be a diabetes, be a rheumatoidis um.

869
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: Be at the different pains and joint pain that pains

870
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: that you get as you continue to grow, old, arthritis, etcetera.

871
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: Are foods that you can eat um to help you

872
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: get better and stay healthy. I was reading a book

873
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: about health and about food and intake. And Uh, I'm

874
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: a belief. I'm of the belief that God has put

875
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: an awful lot of cures on earth, between nuts and

876
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: fruits and the vegetables and things like that that you

877
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: can eat UM to keep yourself healthy. You made a career, Yeah,

878
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: making your body work for you, using your body with athletics,

879
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: and and I'm just wondering, like, um, I've always been

880
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: an athletic guy myself. I never played a pro sports

881
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Well, I had a few provides,

882
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: but being healthy and using my body and my having

883
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh, speed and agility has always been and

884
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: being in strength has always been important to me. But

885
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, get the older you get, of course you

886
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: start losing some of those things, soility, getting getting getting

887
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: range in the left hook, come, come, come a little closer.

888
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: So but my question, my question to you is like

889
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: it's like, when do you do you Like, Uh, you're

890
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 1: twenty years older than me. So when you look back

891
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: again at that fifty six, when you were fifty six

892
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: and where you are right now, how much has changed

893
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: about your body? Um, I've lost a lot of muscle density,

894
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: uh in my body. Um. You know I do have

895
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: some arts right to send my body, you know, which

896
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: is a change. Um. I developed arthritis about eight nine

897
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: years ago. Um, and I'm seventy six, which is late

898
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: to develop those kind of things. Um. Miraculously I still

899
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: see without glasses. I use glasses um to help my

900
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: vision at night, but I can read without. I can

901
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: read the calendar without glasses. Um. You know with that

902
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: small print there, Um, the muscle density goes away, your

903
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: strength goes away, your balance and equilibrium goes away. You know,

904
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: so you meaning your stability. Um. Do you have to

905
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: be intentional when you're walking? Um? Well, you know I

906
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: won't say intentional, but you need to pay more attention. UM.

907
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: I want to say there's Uh. The greatest percentage of

908
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: death with elderly people over seventy is a fall and

909
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: something you hit your head somewhere. Um. So being careful

910
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: of where you place your feet from time to time,

911
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: watch what you do, and going up and downstairs, running

912
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: up and downstairs. When you get to be older, you

913
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: don't have the spring that your feet have recognized between

914
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: the stairs. You can be a bit short. You'll stumble

915
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: with things like that, which is part of growing Oldso

916
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: just pay attention, pay attention, learn how to eat, do

917
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: some kind of exercise. UM. I like to walk to

918
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: the three miles um three or four days a week.

919
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: I like to go to the gym. Is many is

920
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: four to five days a week, even if you're going

921
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: to gym for thirty forty minutes. You can get a

922
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: workout in in forty minutes easy. Do you like? You

923
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: just do it because you know you need to do

924
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: I like the results. I'd rather not go, but I

925
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: like the results of what happens with me. UM. I

926
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: still walk straight up. I don't slump or hunch uh.

927
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: And that's from weights and things like that. UM. I

928
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: lift weights in the in the shower every morning. Five

929
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: pound weight for my shoulders because my shoulders are arthritic.

930
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: But if if you keep them just a little five

931
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: pound weight, it'll keep your skin tight, keep your muscles toned,

932
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: and as you uh develop the muscles around the arthritic

933
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: joint it will help you with the bone on bone

934
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: action that you have when they're arthritic. It lessens the

935
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Speaker 1: pain in your body with arthritis if you're strengthening the

936
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Speaker 1: muscles around the joints where the arthritis is, which means

937
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: in your hands, your shoulders, your knees, and hips. Yeah,

938
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Speaker 1: five pounds five pound weightways, get on it brand. Yeah

939
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: you can. You can get a three pound weight and

940
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: five pound weight you can grab in the shower. Gravitate, gravitate.

941
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Speaker 1: You don't think that's dangers lifting wasting the shower. Not really.

942
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: I want to get too high black out to hit

943
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: myself and the head would wait and be knocked that

944
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:46,839
Speaker 1: even longer with my luck. Love, bro, I ask you earlier,

945
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: you know what team you you prefer playing for? You

946
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: know which team you had. I enjoyed the age, enjoy

947
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: But what city you lived in? A lot of places,

948
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: what city have you enjoyed the motion of it in? Well,

949
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: I would say that I really did enjoy New York. Um.

950
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 1: I love the intensity, love the action, love the quickness

951
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: and the speed of the city, the pulse of the city. Um.

952
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: Their appreciation for their their their idols and heroes of

953
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: which I became one, you know by playing there, like

954
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: Joe Namath, Willis Ree, Lawrence Taylor, Mickey Mantle, Joe d. Jeter,

955
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: you know all those guys that have been very successful

956
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: and and been honored. Marianna Rivera Um, Oakland is always

957
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: and will always be a very special place for me.

958
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: I still own a home there. Um. You know, I

959
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,959
Speaker 1: always appreciated the fact that they had a significant minority

960
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: population there, and I enjoyed being successful there for because

961
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: my people had a great appreciation for my success they shared.

962
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: I feel like they shared it with me or I

963
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: shared it with them, and still to this day when

964
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: I go back. They had a fifty year reunion with

965
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: the World Series team of seventy two, and we'll do

966
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: that the next two years. We have a fifty year

967
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: reunion in seventy three and a fifty year reunion in

968
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: seventy four because we won three years in a row.

969
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: So Gene Tennis, who was the Most Valuable Player of

970
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: the World Series in seventy two, he had four home runs.

971
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: He threw out the first pitch and he walked up

972
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: in front of the man and I was standing next

973
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: to Raleigh Fingers, and he said, now, what this is

974
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: telling me is they're having the m v P throughout

975
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: the first pitch. So a year from now, you're going

976
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: to throw it out. And he said, two years from now,

977
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: it's going to be my turn. He says, I hope

978
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: the hell I can do it when I'm seventy seven.

979
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: So so at seventies, seventies six, seventy seven, seventy eight,

980
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: seventy nine, eighty, do you see yourself still, you know,

981
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: working with the Astros or working in some capacity with

982
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,959
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. I'll be working with Major League Baseball

983
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: and I'll be working with the Astros if Jim Crane

984
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: is here, because he's a special friend and a special guy,

985
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: and I think he gets success and I think he

986
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: we have a friendship that it's long lasting and special. Yeah,

987
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: we can all take a page out of his playbook,

988
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: you know, great to be a great human being. Like, yes,

989
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: we should all take a page out his playbook. He's fair,

990
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: very very yeah. Yeah, let's see what happened. Let's see

991
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: what happened to day in this month. I just picked

992
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: a day jun the fifties. It's the fourteen whatever of fourteen,

993
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three. Two young black girls, fourteen year old

994
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: Many and twelve year old Merely Mary Alice Ralph are

995
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: sterile sterilized at a health clinic in Montgomery, Alabama without

996
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: their knowledge of consent. He's why black people to this day,

997
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: I fear going to the doctor because we've been used

998
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: as guinea pigs about the years. We'll have a June,

999
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: eighteen months after the Emancipation Proclamation is signed, enslaved black

1000
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,839
Speaker 1: people in Texas finally learn about it when Union troops

1001
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: arrived and tell them the Confederacy lost the Civil War.

1002
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:12,839
Speaker 1: What do you think about these UH politicians actively passing

1003
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: laws to prevent critical race theory from being taught in schools?

1004
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: Defiant from it? So so critical race theory is is

1005
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: putting the information out there about slavery. They're they're saying,

1006
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 1: you don't want you to teach it, like the true

1007
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,440
Speaker 1: history of America, like stuff that really happened during slavery

1008
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: and and even post slavery, Jim Crown. They don't want

1009
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 1: that taught in schools because they say it makes white

1010
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: children feel bad. A lot in Florida right now, they're

1011
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 1: saying that you can't make um a group of people,

1012
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: a certain group of people feel bad for for you know,

1013
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: the pain that they inflicted or another group of people.

1014
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: I disagree with it because I want young African Americans

1015
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: to know what all African Americans went through and why

1016
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: you're folks. When I say folks, I mean the generations

1017
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: before you. The younger generation needs to know what you

1018
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: went through, what you think about in quiet moments, why

1019
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: you may snap at someone or why someone may say,

1020
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 1: young fella. You'll learn one day you'll have an understanding.

1021
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: It's part of the history of the country. It needs

1022
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: to be learned, and I would like whether they teach

1023
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: it or not in school. I think it should be

1024
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: taught in school because it's what the history of the

1025
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: country is. We as parents should at the dinner table

1026
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:17,839
Speaker 1: in the life of that young person be told what happened,

1027
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: what his parents and his grandparents and his great grades

1028
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: went through. It's it's it's pretty simple. This gentleman is thirteen.

1029
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: How old are you, son? Fourteen? So his mom, let's

1030
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: give her twenty years. Let's give her thirty four. Her

1031
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: parents are in their fifties or sixties. Their parents are

1032
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:53,440
Speaker 1: in their nineties. Okay, so nine years ago, it's nineteen

1033
01:16:54,240 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: thirty bitter bitter racism. Uh, then that's great. That's great parents,

1034
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: great grandparents. Your great greats are in the eighteen nineties.

1035
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: That's about as harsh and as bitter as it could

1036
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: be for a black person with castrations when you did

1037
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: something wrong with the um, when they're accused you of

1038
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: doing something wrong with with the passing of your children

1039
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: and and grandchildren at the age of twelve to fifteen,

1040
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, to go to the house and be

1041
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: slept with it raped by the owner of the house

1042
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: or the owner of the slaves. Um getting caught when

1043
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: you tried to break away and bring brought back to

1044
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: the plantation and have everyone come outside and watch as

1045
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: they took four horses and tied it to your two

1046
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: arms and your two legs and ripped you apart in

1047
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: front of every one. That needs to be remembered and

1048
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: recognized as to what happened as to why you are

1049
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: who you are today because of the things that were

1050
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:18,879
Speaker 1: inflicted and the experiences that your folks and your family

1051
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: and your bloodline went through. Um, why that your your

1052
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: grandparents or why some of the athletes in my era

1053
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:38,520
Speaker 1: had the determination and the drive to be successful. Um

1054
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: that they were fighting for dignity or for a sandwich

1055
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: to eat or heat in the house. That you're you're

1056
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: strong striving for success was life or death? Three? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In regrets, I probably wish I would have had four

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Speaker 1: or five children because I had the capability of raising

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Speaker 1: and in a good environment and getting them good educations

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01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: and being positive impact to community mhm um. And I

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: would have enjoyed selfishly. I would have enjoyed it. Yeah. Man,

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Speaker 1: this has been a spirited discussion. We really do appreciate

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01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: you in part your wisdom. I tell you, like as

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01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: much as I've admired you on the field, off the

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01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: field even more. Yeah, you know, I think there's a

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01:19:55,240 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: I sense a commitment and Brad scar I then call

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01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: me Brad. I don't even likes going on. One wrote

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01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: we world it out so bad on stage until I

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01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to be scarred Jackson JJ actually, um,

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01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: he used to be. I really do think that what

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01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,480
Speaker 1: you're doing or you're trying to do is enormously important

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01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: to pass on from, be it Dr j or Reggie

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01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: or Michael Jordan's or Jeter Frank o' harris and the

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01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: guys that broke the barriers and lived it difficulty. They

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01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: have stories to tell. And you know Bill Russell who's

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01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: about ninety now, he's going to take it with him

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01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: and he hasn't been heard by the youth of today.

1078
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: And young people need to hear your what we experienced

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01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 1: and what we lived with and what drove us and

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01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: why you need to keep the bloodline going and keep

1081
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: the success in the drive um and and what gives

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01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: you the impetus to to be successful and what you

1083
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: need to prove still you're still less than You're still

1084
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 1: not equal. Your community is still being impacted, pushed aside

1085
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: and be down. And you need to hear that and

1086
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: recognize that you've got a chance to make it. And

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01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 1: when you make it, get back to your community. Share,

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01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,560
Speaker 1: tell the stories, Tell the things that gave you the

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01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: drive and made you keep going. Talk about the things

1090
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: that are important, Talk about continuity and support for family,

1091
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: talk about support for your community. And going to a

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01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: grocery store and running into another colored person, black purse

1093
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 1: and negro minority, nod to them. Acknowledge that you're part

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01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: of their fraternity. Don't ignore, don't turn the other way,

1095
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: look at the person and let them see you and

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01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: nod and how are you kind of nod? I see you,

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01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm here with you. Good to see you with a nod.

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01:22:55,400 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: That we need to promote that teach that needs to

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01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: permeate our community. We need to be together and not

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01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: only blacks, but white stew and Latinos and and Amiration

1101
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: and the Indigenous, the American Indian UM. American Indian has

1102
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: been abused just as much as we have. UM. You

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01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 1: take a look at the Jews. I've always had an

1104
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: affinity for Jews. They've been beat down and murdered for

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01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: no reason at all, none same as us. Six million

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01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: Jews were murdered, and it's either eighteen million or or

1107
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: thirty million African Americans. Um, and how many of the indigenous?

1108
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: How many of the Indians? The Indians were here first?

1109
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:58,839
Speaker 1: This ain't you? This ain't you at land? You know? Um?

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01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: Of all the Indians that lived in the southeastern part

1111
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: of the country in Florida, and all the names of

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01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 1: the towns of Indian names, they went and gathered all

1113
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 1: those people and made them walk through the the tears

1114
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: of the trail of tears, Okay, and walked to across

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01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: the Mississippi, no food, nothing, the trail of tears. I'm

1116
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: not quite it's not quite exactly that, but google it.

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01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 1: It's a horrible story of what they did to the

1118
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: Indian in this country and how they've given them um

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01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:51,879
Speaker 1: money reparations and then the worst land in the country

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Speaker 1: to live on, trail of trail of tears to yeah,

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01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: tears of will we gonna have it? Could you find it?

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01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: Um tears? Kyle? Did you find it? It's approximately six

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01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: in Hey, God, did you find it? What's it? Say? So?

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01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 1: The lot. What's what's the title trailer? Tears? Here you

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01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: go ts Tears the series of fourth displacements, approximately sixty

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01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: thousand American England. Well made him walk sure dead, Yeah,

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01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: it's sure dead. And I don't even know about that. People.

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Speaker 1: It's always a mind blowing conversation with you. Man, I'm

1129
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and let you finish your salad now.

1130
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: But fantastic, man, Absolutely fantastic. I roomed with a guy

1131
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 1: by the name of Brady Walker and call. I got

1132
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: a note from a guy the other day on one

1133
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 1: of the social mediums. He said, so and so I

1134
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 1: went to college with you, and he's really sick. She

1135
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: passed away and he's going to be honored. And he

1136
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: was your roommate in college. I was sitting with a

1137
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: few guys and I said, let me tell you about

1138
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: this story. When I went to college, there were no color.

1139
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: That room with whites. Said again, when I went to

1140
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,759
Speaker 1: college there were no color, There were no colored rooming

1141
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: with whites. I couldn't room with a white guy. You couldn't.

1142
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: How are you going to room with me? It was

1143
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: sixty four. They allowed me grows to vote in nineteen

1144
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: I remember that you could you couldn't. I didn't say nothing.

1145
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: I just kind of chuckled to myself where somebody was

1146
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: wanting me to come or say something or pick up

1147
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: in video. Reggie, your root college room may die. He

1148
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: told that story. Well he didn't tell it to a

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01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: colored person because then somebody would have said, when was

1150
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 1: that number sixty four? Really? Yeah, Reggie bro No, we'll

1151
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,799
Speaker 1: know white boy won't be rooming with him and weren't allowed.

1152
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: I was the first guy to have a white roommate

1153
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: in baseball. Guy's name is Joe Rudy. It was big news. Really,

1154
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: that was big news. So I didn't know what to

1155
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: say to that guy. Man, you do you respond? Now?

1156
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: You should? I say? Come buy? Like Mohammed Ali Mohammed said.

1157
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: We were talking and he said, oh he saw a

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01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: picture of the Last Supper. It said, Mama, I don't

1159
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 1: see no no colored angels sitting up there. I know

1160
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: there was colored angels, wasn't he? Where's all the color

1161
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 1: that this is the last super? Are they? They ain't

1162
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: in the kitchen fixing the biscuits in the honey. I

1163
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: had to tell that story every once in a while

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01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: to bring some levity to that, to the horror boy

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01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: levity to the horror Yeah, Brady Walker was my roommate

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01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 1: in college. That's the one that's sick and dad. He

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01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: was six four no, so somebody just Brady was coloring

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01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 1: Brady Brother Mississippi, you know. And he had a stammer,

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01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: stuttered super guy. His family without send him corn bread

1170
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: and biscuits, you know, out cookies to our dorm. And

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01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: when we slept in the room, the womb wasn't no

1172
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: bigger than this right here, but it was plenty good

1173
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: for you know, him and me. You know, it's eat.

1174
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: The guy had four or five pairs of pants, one

1175
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: pair of dress shoes, one pair of sneakers, four or

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01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: five pairs of socks, six pair underwear, a couple of

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01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 1: T shirts and then you had you wore your football

1178
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: T shirts around and there was always your clothes. You know,

1179
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: you went to school and you came home and took

1180
01:29:54,160 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: your clothes off. Hum. Yeah, And we conversations with the

1181
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 1: white guys lived in the same dorm, and they would

1182
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: laugh at Brady because he stammered, super sweet guy, and

1183
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,799
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and I used to so he was stammered

1184
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: one day and they were laughing and I said, you

1185
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: know something, Joe, Joe and Jeff. One of these days,

1186
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: Brady is gonna get piste off because you're laughing at him.

1187
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,799
Speaker 1: He's gonna jump on you and he's gonna beat your ass.

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01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: For all those kids in Mississippi when he was five, six, seven, eight,

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01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: nine ten, Levenswum calling him the nigger, He's gonna jump

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01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: on you and beat your ass and I ain't gonna

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01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: do nothing about it. I'm gonna then after he beat

1192
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: your ass, I'm gonna drive you to the hospital. He

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01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: just looked at me like that, and they got quiet,

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01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: and we went back in the room and Brady, like

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01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: I said, he would lay down his feet be over

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01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: the end of the bed. Reggie, I'm okay. I can't

1197
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: wait to call my mama, tell him what you said.

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01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: You talk to them white boys like you ain't got

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Speaker 1: no problem. You ain't scared of nothing. I love to

1200
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,799
Speaker 1: see you talk to them, and you want to know something,

1201
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: you gonna be right. One of these days if I

1202
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: ever get mad. There you when you was, when you

1203
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: was playing, and you know when you got that name,

1204
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Mr October, did you ever feel any pressure to actually like, yeah,

1205
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: I know it's the postseason and everything, and you got

1206
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 1: the name because of your your your ability to perform

1207
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: under pressure, but and in the in the clutch. But

1208
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: did you ever feel any pressure, any additional pressure in

1209
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: the postseason because us you had that title? Mr Otton,

1210
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: I guess if you look at Steph Curry or or

1211
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: Jordan's or any of those guys, Magic Johnson, Kobe Kareem,

1212
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: the greats. I really felt like when the postseason got close,

1213
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: I got better, and so I kind of relied on it.

1214
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:32,759
Speaker 1: I relied on living up to the stories Paul Bunyan

1215
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 1: stories or the stories of what I was gonna do.

1216
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: I kind of said, well, getting close October, I'm will

1217
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 1: be doing the thing pretty quick, you'd better be careful.

1218
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm come out with a capon. But I kind of

1219
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 1: got to the point to where I believe that, and

1220
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 1: then it gave me a confidence. Nice Well, thank you again, man.

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Speaker 1: Play here of two. This episode was produced by Aching

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Speaker 1: and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast Network

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