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Speaker 1: It is Monday, November fourth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: And welcome in. It is Jaguars Happy Hour. The first

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Speaker 2: Busy two hours ahead as we recap the Eagles over

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars in Week nine, twenty eight, twenty three. Offensive inconsistency,

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Speaker 2: Let's say we'll dig into that coming up defense showed

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Speaker 2: some fight but had key lapses in big moments in

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Speaker 2: the game. We've heard that before, keeping it real as always.

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Speaker 2: In seg Or Hour number two, we'll get to that fanatics,

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Speaker 2: fan questions, We'll go around the football league as well.

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Speaker 2: Lots to get to with Pete and Tony, But first

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Speaker 2: let's hear from head coach Doug Peterson after the game

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Speaker 2: in Philadelphia on the team battling adversity and their resiliency.

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Speaker 3: You know, a resilient group. Hats off. I mean some

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Speaker 3: guys played played banged up. I mean Brandon shurf. My

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Speaker 3: hat's off to him. He played, He played hurt all game,

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Speaker 3: you know, and Tom goes back in the game, and

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Speaker 3: you know, it's just it's it's that time of the year, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, guys are gonna be Guys are gonna be sore,

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Speaker 3: Guys are gonna be hurting. But my hat's off to

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Speaker 3: those guys for, you know, for hanging in there.

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Speaker 2: That's the head coach after the game. More from Doug

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Speaker 2: Peterson today in his Monday press conference coming up a

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Speaker 2: little bit later on the show CBS Sports senior writer

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Speaker 2: Pete Prisco and Hall of Fame left tackle Tony Basselli.

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Speaker 2: He's winning us now, Good afternoon, gentlemen, now too, and

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Speaker 2: seven and three weeks to Thanksgiving. Pete, here, we.

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Speaker 4: Are a lot. He's not starting the show.

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Speaker 5: Now, let's hold on, why are why are Why am

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Speaker 5: I not starting the show?

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Speaker 4: Because I said so that doesn't matter, Yeah it does. So,

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Speaker 4: first of all, we'll get to tune seven. We'll get

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Speaker 4: to Pete losing his mind about play calling. We'll get

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Speaker 4: to Nick Sirianni maybe being the management coach.

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Speaker 5: My entire must be something in the water in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: The only reason that we're chancelated because he was like

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Speaker 4: was afraid to kick chip shot, field goals and extra points.

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Speaker 4: Setting all that asud I want to I was thinking

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Speaker 4: about this last night and most of a lot of today,

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Speaker 4: and then Doug just said it. That was that was

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Speaker 4: a bad football game and we were lucky to be

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Speaker 4: there at the end, and it's unfortunately we couldn't take

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Speaker 4: advantage of it with that set And that's a I'm

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Speaker 4: just speak at the on the both lines of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: That's two physical groups for the Eagles, offensive defensive lines

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Speaker 4: physical and we were beat up, especially on that offensive line.

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Speaker 4: And and I want to give it, I got much

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Speaker 4: respect for Brandon Sheriff because that dude is on one leg,

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Speaker 4: he has all kinds of injuries, and he was playing

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Speaker 4: against one of the most violent, physical young players in

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Speaker 4: the NFL, Jalen Carter, and he was matched up a

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Speaker 4: lot of times one on one with him. And I'll

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Speaker 4: say this, I think Brandon Sheriff played one hell of

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Speaker 4: a game. Like I was worried because knowing Brandon was

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Speaker 4: beat up, that Jalen could just ruin this like just

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Speaker 4: it would get get tough. And I don't know how

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Speaker 4: he did it because I know some of the stuff

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Speaker 4: he's dealing with and the fact that he went out

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Speaker 4: there and battled the way he did, and I thought

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Speaker 4: he played well. Pete.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he got beat a couple of different times,

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Speaker 5: but he fought though.

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Speaker 2: A couple of times.

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Speaker 4: But it was late, It wasn't It was never like

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Speaker 5: Like an shoot into the gap and throw me. No,

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Speaker 5: that was like he got off of him a couple

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Speaker 5: of times in place, but like, but he.

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Speaker 4: Fought like just battle. I mean, I I can't tell

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Speaker 4: which I enjoyed and like just as an offensive lineman

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Speaker 4: having played hurt, going through that playing good players and

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Speaker 4: to watch him battle like that. I got so much

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Speaker 4: respect for Brandon Sheriff, Like Pete and I we over

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Speaker 4: the years of question like you know this, you know

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Speaker 4: whatever two point maybe not to horizontal, not whatever. Let

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Speaker 4: me tell you what tip of the cat the Brandon Sheriff,

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Speaker 4: because that's a pros pro and that dude loves ball.

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Speaker 5: Which is why why is in the starting lineup, by

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Speaker 5: the way, and that's why he is like he is.

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Speaker 5: That was is a good above average guard. No, but

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Speaker 5: he's a tough, physical guy.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday he's not.

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Speaker 5: But he's not. That's not that he was. I said

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Speaker 5: that yesterday he was good. He had hasn't been. He

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Speaker 4: Watch other guards try to block that kid.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but he hasn't been above average guard.

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Speaker 4: And then the second thing I'll say is I am

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Speaker 4: disappointed for Cooper Hodges. And we'll get into a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Cooper Hodges needed to run on his pass walking like

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Speaker 4: the twist game still got him. He was off kilter

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Speaker 4: a little bit. But that dude moves people, yep. And

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Speaker 4: he that big old Jordan Davis. Why like he's like,

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Speaker 4: I don't care how big guard he moved him, Like

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Speaker 4: Cooper Hodges is physical. And the fact that and I

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Speaker 4: don't know if they've reported how bad that he is,

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Speaker 4: it did not look good. Yeah, I knew he's done

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Speaker 4: for the year, but I don't know the severity of it,

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Speaker 4: Like what what's the impact for next year? But that's

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Speaker 4: a loss because that's a good that's a good young

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Speaker 4: football player, not saying perfect, not saying great, but a

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Speaker 4: guy that you could build would have a chance to

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Speaker 4: be a good starter this league.

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Speaker 5: You know what, he is a rich Tilski like Pete.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great comparison to hard nos physical. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so I just wanted to say those two things we're

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Speaker 4: critical as we should be. That was like, that was

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Speaker 4: a that was a pathetic offensive performance for two and

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Speaker 5: Half the second lowist since you played.

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Speaker 4: Yep game Packers game national television. We had eighteen yards

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Speaker 4: and no first downs yep. But we scored fourteen points

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Speaker 4: in the second half feet that game. So we'll get

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Speaker 4: into all that. But I just as a guy, and

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Speaker 4: Doug said it, I've been I actually been thinking about

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Speaker 4: it all day. I just I got a lot of

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Speaker 4: respect for guys who do what Brandon Sheriff. He wasn't

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Speaker 4: the only one who's playing here. By the way, Brian

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Speaker 4: Thomas Junior was beat up number.

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Speaker 5: Of guys on the field. I didn't see him.

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Speaker 2: We'll get I'll get into that. That's coming up.

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Speaker 4: Trevor. We don't know what's going on, but he came

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Speaker 4: out late at halftime. Everyone saw that, so who knows

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Speaker 4: what's going on there? He fought through, you know when

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Speaker 4: you're down twenty two to nothing on the road and

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Speaker 4: you're two and sixteen.

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Speaker 5: I thought they would pack it.

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Speaker 4: Up pretty easy to lay it down. And I've seen

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Speaker 4: guys done it. I've seen guys do it before in

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Speaker 4: the past. Just say I've had enough. Tap out and

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Speaker 4: they didn't do it. That says I saw.

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Speaker 5: I saw that last week. I saw the group of guys.

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Speaker 5: I saw it last week in Tennessee when they went

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Speaker 5: to Detroit. They tapped out at halftime. This team didn't

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Speaker 5: tap out. I was real, I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: I was very surprised they didn't tap out.

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Speaker 4: Now, they got it. They got a big break with

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Speaker 4: this Sakwon Barkley fumble, But you know what, that's football.

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Speaker 5: But they had scored. They had scored to get the

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Speaker 5: you know with him and make it a decent chance

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Speaker 5: that they could come back. So you got to give

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Speaker 5: them credit for that. They had the pass interference penalty

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Speaker 5: that helped set them up late. But but the bottom

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Speaker 5: line is they didn't quit. And I thought all along,

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Speaker 5: I said it all week. I said they'd pack it

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Speaker 5: up and go home if they got blown out early,

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Speaker 5: and they didn't, I was wrong. I can sit here

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Speaker 5: and say I was wrong. Now, there are a lot

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Speaker 5: of other things that criticize them about. There are a

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Speaker 5: lot of things to criticize everybody about. But they didn't quit,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's that's important.

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Speaker 4: We have an hour and fifty two minutes to do that, Pete.

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Speaker 5: But I think lave me. I got a lot of

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Speaker 5: it right here in the old notebook over here. You

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Speaker 5: know how I jotted down from the tape. You guys

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Speaker 5: love when I pulled the notebook out right here.

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Speaker 2: See it right, oh, the little black book the Pete has.

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Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, I just think it's important to recognize when

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Speaker 4: guys dude stuff like it's it's a hard game and

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Speaker 4: that's a hard place to play, and that's a good

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Speaker 4: that's a good Eagles team, not great, good good.

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Speaker 2: All right, So now that aside.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna to the meeting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's kind of lean on the defense a

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Speaker 2: little bit here. We're gonna get into the offense a

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Speaker 2: little bit later and the issues of the first half

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Speaker 2: and starting slow again and then you know, just the

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Speaker 2: turnovers and things that go with that. But defensively, they're

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Speaker 2: going up against Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley and Barkley

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Speaker 2: went into the game with thirty two percent of the

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Speaker 2: scrimmage yards for the Eagles this year, the most of

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Speaker 2: any player of any team in the NFL. And he

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Speaker 2: comes out with one hundred and ninety nine more scrimmage

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Speaker 2: yards in the game and two total touchdowns and highlight

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Speaker 2: plays and things to go with it. That's one thing

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Speaker 2: you knew he was probably gonna get his That's just

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Speaker 2: how he plays. But this defense, guys had lapses in

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Speaker 2: big moments. Again, third and seventeen, at the nineteen, he

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Speaker 2: runs it in for a touchdown. Third and long pass

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Speaker 2: to Devonte Smith for a touchdown. Another big play to

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Speaker 2: DeVante Smith for forty six yards. So this sounds like

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Speaker 2: a broken record. Big plays, big moments. This defense can't

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Speaker 2: hang with him.

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Speaker 5: The third and seventeen draw is inexcusable.

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Speaker 4: I would agree with that. The bigger thing I have

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Speaker 4: an issue with Pete's giving up two urn in thirty

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Speaker 4: seven yards of rushing like he just you're not gonna

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Speaker 4: win football games giving up yard like that, And well.

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Speaker 5: I mean, sixty of it was the quarterback, But you're right,

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Speaker 5: I don't care.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: In like thirty seven.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't even get touched on that play.

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Speaker 4: No untouched.

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Speaker 5: And I thought it was Savage's fault that it popped

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Speaker 4: By the way, I don't know whose fault was.

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Speaker 5: I can see. I watched the tape over and over again.

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Speaker 5: He looks like he gets caught and he needs to

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Speaker 5: be on the outside to kind of rein him in.

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Speaker 5: But it and a Lua Khan got blocked. You can

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Speaker 5: play that play over again. He got blocked. But watch Savage,

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Speaker 5: he comes running inside there out there. Yeah, so I look,

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Speaker 5: you know me, I like to point fingers, and I'll

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Speaker 5: point a finger or two if I have to.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's here's an I got. I received this. I

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Speaker 4: guess on average, the average NFL team this year allows

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Speaker 4: opposing offenses to convert about eight percent of the time

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Speaker 4: on third and fifteen and more. The Jaguars have allowed

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Speaker 4: opposing offenses to get a first down or a touchdown

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Speaker 4: thirty nine percent of the time in those situations, which

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Speaker 5: What was he doing? What is he doing?

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Speaker 4: If he takes the two field goals, I think thirty

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Like our offense is.

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Speaker 4: So inept at the beginning of the games. And I'm

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 4: Pete Prisco might be right. Maybe they should just start

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Speaker 5: Because can we clip that and save that?

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Speaker 4: Because the only time this offense has got anything going

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Speaker 2: All right, we've got to leave that hanging. We'll come

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Speaker 6: Got fighting, resilient and it's tough. You know, we can

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Speaker 6: You know, we've we've had so many one school games

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Speaker 2: And Tony will only charge them five hundred dollars an autograph.

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Speaker 5: That's just normal going.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's it's not false fake news, fake news.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Hey, let's let's get into this offense.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: We just heard from the quarterback there with the slow

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Speaker 5: Difference between tempo and second and thirteen and second and nine.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that was coming JP. I agree with

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Speaker 5: Well, and then here's the other thing, Tony. So they

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Speaker 4: Well, let's say that last play because I didn't love

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Speaker 5: So I'm saying is that if that's their answer to

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Speaker 4: But Pete, I think they are trying some of the

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, then then clearly you got to do something

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Speaker 5: So so getting thirty one yards in the first half

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Speaker 5: He always goes back to the coach who's scared of

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Speaker 5: Agreeing with me. You know what you're doing right now,

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Speaker 5: You said it was a risk. Where's the risk?

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Speaker 4: I'm agreeing with you.

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Speaker 5: I think no, he agrees with me, but then he

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Speaker 4: I do because it makes it because here's the risk

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Speaker 5: Well, it's okay to be on the field for five

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Speaker 5: It's like the whole stuff that people are talking about

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Speaker 5: put it back on them. It's the same pick.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you. I get that's how you normally act.

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Speaker 4: But I was sitting in the booth. I didn't say

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Speaker 5: But you can't go in with that. You know that

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Speaker 5: go score points there. It's the same attitude, you know.

437
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Speaker 5: It's like Tony and this one always gets me. When

438
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Speaker 5: the team's backed up at like their ten yard line,

439
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Speaker 5: the entire offense changes the way they call the game.

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Speaker 5: And if you're at the midfields at midfield, why why you.

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Speaker 4: Want to because a turnover there means more than a

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Speaker 4: turnover on the other.

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Speaker 5: But that means you're coaching with the whole mentality that

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Speaker 5: you're going to turn all over.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Pete, you know what it's called. Now, this is

446
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Speaker 4: where you're being dumb and hard headed. You know what

447
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Speaker 4: it's called. Situational football. Pete. That's what it's called.

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Speaker 5: Why is it situational football because it's always been played

449
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Speaker 5: that way.

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Speaker 4: No, because it's the right way to think. Because the

451
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Speaker 4: turnover is points there. If you turn it over and

452
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Speaker 4: you're across, it's.

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Speaker 5: Not turning it over. I'm going to get a touchdown. Okay.

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Speaker 5: If you're at the one yard line, I could understand it.

455
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Speaker 5: But you're at the ten or twelve yard line, you

456
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Speaker 5: don't call the game differently than you do if you're

457
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Speaker 5: at the midfield. That's stupid. I mean, they've always done it,

458
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Speaker 5: they've always done it.

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Speaker 4: I think you're being ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not the minimum yard line peak that you

461
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Speaker 2: start running the offense for a.

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Speaker 5: Reef coach scared. If you're coach scared, you're.

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Speaker 4: Not coaching scared, Pete. That's called coaching smart.

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Speaker 5: Okay, based on what based on the fact. What what

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Speaker 5: you're saying is you're basing it on the fact that

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Speaker 5: you're going to have a negative.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying and I'm

468
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Speaker 4: not saying I wouldn't. I would throw it back up.

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Speaker 4: I think sometimes the best time to take a shot

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Speaker 4: is when you're on your two yard line because you

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Speaker 4: know you're gonna get a man outside take a shot.

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Speaker 5: So what's the rationale for not doing playing different playing

473
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Speaker 5: your normal offense in that scenario? What's the rationale for that?

474
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Speaker 5: You're afraid of what turning it over? So it's a

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Speaker 5: negative thinking.

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Speaker 2: Or and say this, Hey, you gotta know your personnel too.

477
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Speaker 2: If you have some weaknesses up front, you don't want

478
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Speaker 2: a holding caller in the end zone. Safety, all that

479
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Speaker 2: stuff could be in place. Test.

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Speaker 4: First of all, it's about I'm not It's like, listen,

481
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Speaker 4: if I'm backed up, I'm not gonna call straight drop

482
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Speaker 4: back passing. Probably I'm gonna run the ball. I'm gonna

483
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Speaker 4: play action pass it so I can slow the rush down,

484
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Speaker 4: give my chance. Give you know, I might max protect

485
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Speaker 4: more when I'm backed up to make sure I can

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Speaker 4: take a shot. Or I make sure I don't take

487
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Speaker 4: a sack. So okay, but there you go.

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Speaker 5: Right, if you're at the ten yard line and you

489
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Speaker 5: go and I let's say they do this, but other

490
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Speaker 5: teams do it all the time. You go, run, run,

491
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Speaker 5: go make a play on third down, say complete your

492
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Speaker 5: punting from your tent your end zone. Anyways, they're giving

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Speaker 5: them points anyway, So what's the difference.

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Speaker 4: I didn't say that.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying, you know, I'm saying across the league,

496
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Speaker 5: and so coaching scared in the whole mentality of second

497
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Speaker 5: and thirteen in the hurry up? Is coaching scared? When

498
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Speaker 5: you talk that way, you're putting negative thoughts into the

499
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Speaker 5: entire idea of going not you. I'm talking about the

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Speaker 5: coaches who do that.

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Speaker 4: I just think you'll be a little bit. I guess

502
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Speaker 4: the best description is ridiculous, saying that you don't think

503
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Speaker 4: about where you are on the field when you're designing.

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Speaker 5: For me, John, we've gone to a different that's a

505
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Speaker 5: whole different argument, the argument about going fast and playing fast.

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Speaker 5: And I didn't hear Doug's quote, so I don't know

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Speaker 5: the context of it. But if he said, if you

508
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Speaker 5: go fast and you're in second to thirteen, then your

509
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Speaker 5: whole mentality about doing it is negative. Would you not

510
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Speaker 5: agree with that?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I guess I think about a little

513
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Speaker 4: bit differently, Pete, from the standpoint of, like you have

514
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Speaker 4: to like first of all, one of my struggles with

515
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Speaker 4: our team right now is I like, what's our identity

516
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Speaker 4: like what's our offensive identity?

517
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Speaker 5: Well, there isn't one, so I'm trying and create one.

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Speaker 4: So that's my point. So I get like, I think

519
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Speaker 4: a good philosophy and a good offensive identity could be.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying this is the only one. Is that

521
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Speaker 4: we are going to be a run heavy, play action

522
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Speaker 4: past team. That's basically what the Eagles are, right, run heavy,

523
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 4: plays pass. Their last four games, they have thrown the ball.

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Speaker 4: They have one four straight. They've thrown it. I mean

525
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Speaker 4: they've run it much more than they throw it.

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Speaker 5: Well, the quarterback can run too, that's a different.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. Okay, Detroit. Detroit is a run heavy,

528
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Speaker 4: play action pass team.

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Speaker 5: And they're offensive line great.

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Speaker 4: That's my point. So that you you play the game,

531
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Speaker 4: and you're okay playing the game where you can grind

532
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Speaker 4: it out, shorten the game, take your shots.

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Speaker 5: If you can run it consistently, we let me finished.

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Speaker 4: So that's one philosophy. You also can say, hey, we're

535
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Speaker 4: gonna be a fast break, full speed, throw it around

536
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Speaker 4: the yard. We know we're gonna put the off defense

537
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Speaker 4: on the field bit more, but we're gonna go score.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna score people. Okay, great, like the Dolphins last year.

539
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Speaker 4: That's how they played, That's what they did, and there's

540
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Speaker 4: like nuances in between. The problem is with the Jaguars

541
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Speaker 4: is like, I'm not sure what we are, so I

542
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Speaker 4: don't think we can be a grinded out team, especially

543
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Speaker 4: against a physical team like the like the Eagles we

544
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 4: played in Detroit in two weeks. Like, I don't think

545
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Speaker 4: we're physical enough to grind it out with him.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we could grind it out against the Vikings, not big, probably.

547
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Speaker 4: Against the Vikings, you could, right, but I don't think

548
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: that's in our core who we are. It's okay, well,

549
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: now are we a spread it out, throw it around

550
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Speaker 4: the field and speed it up and take shots? And

551
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure we are. That's my problem.

552
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Speaker 5: Okay, let me use the Buffalo bill as an example. Okay,

553
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 5: what's their identity.

554
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Speaker 4: Josh Allen. They are quarterback centric. Everything's built around him

555
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 4: and they're gonna but they that's.

556
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Speaker 5: What That's what the Jacksonville identity should be.

557
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Speaker 4: Is Trevor ready for that?

558
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Speaker 5: There are moments when you watch him and you say, hell, yeah,

559
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Speaker 5: he's ready for that. There are moments when you put

560
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Speaker 5: him in obvious passing situations when you say, no, he's

561
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Speaker 5: not ready.

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Speaker 2: For are they paying him to be ready to be that?

563
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Speaker 4: Okay, time out, wrong, wrong answer. Just because you pay

564
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: a guy doesn't mean he's the guy.

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Speaker 5: I still go back to the best times he looks

566
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 5: on the football field is when he's playing unburdened and

567
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 5: let him go the Chargers game, the there's other games

568
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Speaker 5: where he's pete.

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Speaker 4: How much of that is is? Are like when you

570
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Speaker 4: know this, When defenses get big leads, they also play

571
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Speaker 4: a little dry. Hey let's just keep in front of

572
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Speaker 4: him a little bit.

573
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but at some point in that whole thing, they

574
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 5: get to the point where they say, hey, they're within

575
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: fourteen we got to go back to playing a normal

576
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Speaker 5: style of defense too. And still and he still came back.

577
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Speaker 4: So it's hard for defenses.

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Speaker 5: I just think if you continue to do what you're

579
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Speaker 5: doing and not building it around him and letting him go,

580
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Speaker 5: what's the worst thing that happened? You find out that

581
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Speaker 5: he's not the guy right now?

582
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Speaker 4: I would agree with you. Listen, And maybe it's part

583
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: of my own biases, Like I just fundamentally the way

584
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: you think, the way you play and build the team

585
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: is inside out. You're physical, you run the ball, you

586
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 4: play action pass, you take shots. Like that's how I like.

587
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Speaker 5: That's Look, I'm big with that, Tony.

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Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying is like you probably have much

589
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Speaker 4: more You might be more clear thinking on this because

590
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Speaker 4: like you don't really care, Like you like that upstyle

591
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: that spread it out, throw it around the yard type,

592
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Speaker 4: but not.

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Speaker 5: Too crazy because I like physical. I think you throw

594
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Speaker 5: the score, you run the win. That's what I really believe.

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Speaker 5: I've always believed that. And I'm gonna go to the

596
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Speaker 5: Chargers because when the Chargers, when when Harbaugh took over,

597
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 5: we sat here and we're gonna say build the offensive line.

598
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 5: He did. He got physical on the offensive line. You

599
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Speaker 5: know what they've done the last three games, They've had

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Speaker 5: Herbert average over three hundred yards throwing the football because

601
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Speaker 5: he's he's he's taken it and he's evolved it and

602
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: he's made it better. And that's why they built. You know,

603
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 5: you can't just go way from quarterback with a big

604
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Speaker 5: arm who can rip it around well. Jacksonville does at times.

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Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying. I think they do now they

606
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Speaker 5: don't have a neither do the Charges. By the way,

607
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 5: have a great group of wide receivers, so they're good

608
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Speaker 5: enough you can move it around. And Strange played eight

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Speaker 5: nine plays yesterday.

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Speaker 4: What happened there? Was there anything about why Strange played

611
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Speaker 4: too little? I'm gonna ask about that because I thought

612
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Speaker 4: Strange was so good.

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Speaker 5: You looked like a pass catcher last week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. We've got plenty ahead. I think, Tony,

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Speaker 2: the word you were looking for earlier when you were

616
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Speaker 2: trying to describe Pete was obtuse. You said ridiculous. Obtuse,

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Speaker 5: I'm stubborn because I think if you keep doing the

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Speaker 4: We could have made more plays for sure.

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Speaker 2: subject to waivers as a veteran, and they have also

653
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: placed Cooper Hodges on the reserve injured list. So the

654
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: Gibson thing just didn't work out, and that leads us

655
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: into the secondary conversation because he won't be a part

656
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: of it. Apparently moving ahead.

657
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Speaker 5: I wonder if I wonder if he didn't asked to

658
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 5: let him, let me go? I mean, why would you

659
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: keep him that whole time? And then he's getting ready

660
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 5: to come off the exempt list, and then your safeties

661
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 5: are playing really bad football and you let him and

662
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 5: you release.

663
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 4: Because now you have to pay him.

664
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Speaker 5: Sorry, if you give it up on does that means

665
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 5: you're giving up on the caesar he didn't want to

666
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 5: be here, or you don't think he's better than what

667
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 5: you have. I mean, there's got to.

668
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: Be it could be any of those, pete But my

669
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: guess is they My guess is they don't think he's

670
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: better than what they have.

671
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to be worse than some of

672
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 5: the guys that they've had. I'll be honest with you.

673
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 5: I mean that safety position has been a big problem

674
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 5: all year long.

675
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: It has it hasn't been good. And there were moments

676
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: yesterday where again that hit again, right.

677
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 5: Pete, what's that? Oh? Yeah, I mean on the touchdown,

678
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 5: on the touchdown, the big not the touchdown, the big

679
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 5: play to the Devonte Smith. What the hell was Andre

680
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 5: Cisco doing? He got spun around and now Darby's trailing.

681
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 5: But if you watch Cisco, he thinks he's going to

682
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 5: the corner. He put a move on him. He's standing

683
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 5: there like, not the touchdown, not the other play, the big.

684
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like the Dolphins play where Tyreek scored

685
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: on right.

686
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's yeah, And they've had problems with that all

687
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 5: year long and continues to be an issue. Look, the

688
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 5: safety something been played well, there's no sugarcoating it. Even

689
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 5: on when they brought in Johnson on the one he

690
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 5: was playing on the run. I think Hurtz got out

691
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 5: the site. He got blocked. Member, he's at the line

692
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 5: of scrimmage and he came up and he got blasted

693
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 5: by the running back and he missed him and he

694
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 5: got through there and went, I mean, the safeties all

695
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 5: year have been a problem. They're not good. Savage had

696
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 5: his issues again. I think he was responsible for the

697
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 5: long run on third down. I think he you know,

698
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 5: he made a play on the on one pass. He

699
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 5: also got beat on that that touchdown by Saquon Barkley.

700
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 5: So the safety play has been an issue all Cross

701
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 5: all year long, and it's going to continue to be

702
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 5: that way.

703
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 4: Now.

704
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 5: Wingard is coming back, right at some point.

705
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: Some point his window opened a couple weeks ago, hasn't

706
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: been ready yet.

707
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 5: Just think about this though for a second, particularly on

708
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 5: this show. And I thought he played well last year

709
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: when he was in there. But before that we used

710
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 5: to I used to criticize wingerd as well. I didn't

711
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 5: think he was that good. Here you are clamoring you

712
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 5: Wingered back in the lineup right about that?

713
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: What's really surprising to me about Cisco Pete. And I'm

714
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: not saying he's playing the worst of the safeties. I

715
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: agree our safety is underperformance year. He's in a contract year.

716
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, well he's cost himself some money. And here's the

717
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 5: other thing, Tony, if you look at it on paper,

718
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: you have a guy you went out and paid in

719
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 5: free agency. You have a draft pick asset in Cisco.

720
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 5: What round was he taken in?

721
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: Again, third, wasn't it?

722
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 5: You you what? Antonio Johnson was later on pick, but.

723
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 4: He was a fourth for some reason.

724
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 5: So you look at this group, but there's there's there's

725
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 5: stuff and assets and money put into it. And you're

726
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: talking about being excited about having wingered back.

727
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cisco was a third round pick in twenty twenty one,

728
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson a fifth round pick in twenty twenty three.

729
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, but that's what I'm saying though. There

730
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 5: just isn't bang for the bucket that position, which is

731
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 5: why you keep having the problems with it. And again

732
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 5: sometimes I think over the years, and it's not just

733
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: this team. Teams are guilty of just replacing guys for

734
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 5: the sacred replacing guys. You know, go go get Darnell Savage.

735
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 5: He'll bring that veteran leadership to that group. Really, I

736
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 5: mean seriously, and he hasn't been awful, don't get me wrong,

737
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 5: but as he brought anything that when you sit there

738
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 5: and you go wow, wow, wow, what a great decision.

739
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 5: Then you look at some of the other by the

740
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 5: way some of the other safeties who were signed around

741
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 5: the league, you know who are like on second contracts

742
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 5: going somewhere else. Elijah Molden, he's played well for the Chargers,

743
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 5: came from Tennessee. Julian Love played decent football for Seattle,

744
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 5: came from the Giants. Elliott has played well for the Steelers,

745
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 5: Brandon Jones has played well for the Broncos. These are

746
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 5: all guys that were given up on by other teams.

747
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 5: And so that's my and in fairness to safeties, a

748
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 5: pass rush hasn't been great at times, I get it,

749
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 5: but they haven't played well they have and tackle well

750
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: they have, and covered well, they haven't done a lot

751
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 5: of anything. Well.

752
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 4: Well, it made me think of something, Pete. So last

753
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: year when this team, you know, went one and six

754
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 4: down the stretch, a lot of injuries. But what you know,

755
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: remember the conversation we had going into the off season,

756
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 4: what did we say they need they need.

757
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 8: To improve the offensive line, prove d line here, get

758
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 8: josh heinz Allen signed, and then clean up all the

759
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 8: bus on the back half.

760
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 4: Because remember we had a lot of bus last year, okay,

761
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 4: And the question is what we do at the other

762
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 4: corner because we didn't think we didn't know what they

763
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 4: do with Darius. So if you think about the set

764
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: aside the draft, but the free agents we brought in

765
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: and the free agents made an impact this year. Like

766
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 4: Mitch Morris, Okay, we're better.

767
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 5: He's better. He's better at center, You're better at center?

768
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: Are you great at center?

769
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 4: No?

770
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 5: Are you better at center? Absolutely?

771
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 4: Absolutely, he's like, Okay, good signing. Now I want to

772
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 4: talk about the offensive line a little bit. That I

773
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: thought about this with the Cooper Hodges injury and the

774
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: trade of Cam last week that happened after our show, So.

775
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 5: We keep going with the free agents.

776
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.

777
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: Free agent signed? Were Savage.

778
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 5: Not any better? Ronald Darby clearly not better than what

779
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 5: they had they had. Darius Williams, Darius Williams is better

780
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 5: than Derby.

781
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 4: Eric Armstead which this week this week and the I

782
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 4: believe JP at the defensive corriers.

783
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 5: He admitted it.

784
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: They confirmed what we had thought. He was promised to

785
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 4: play defensive any when he signed.

786
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 5: Just mystifying to me, you take a three technique and

787
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 5: he wants to play defensive end, and you go, okay,

788
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 5: we'll sign you. We'll let you play defensive end.

789
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 4: I don't understand that for the life of me. And

790
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: when he's the only time I've seen him be productive

791
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: is when he's inside and he had a couple of

792
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 4: nice rutches. Uh this week, Okay, are you better?

793
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 2: No, you would say, no, you're not better at that's fun.

794
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 5: You'd have better. You'd have been better off going to

795
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 5: give Klais Campbell a one year deal.

796
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: Because he's get in there and do the dirty work

797
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: gave Davis, gave Davis. Are we better with No?

798
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 5: He runs like he's in concrete. No, you're not better

799
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 5: than better than that.

800
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 4: Duberney. We better?

801
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 5: No, you had a punt returner on your roster, So

802
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 5: I guess was that one. By the way I'm gonna go,

803
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna dig deeper into that one. That was an

804
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 5: overthinking of it. That's exactly. We're gonna be smarter than

805
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 5: everybody else, and we're gonna have We're gonna be ahead

806
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: of the game on these kickoff returns. We're gonna have two,

807
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: and instead everybody just kicks the damn ball out in

808
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 5: the back of the end zone. So you wasted your money.

809
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: I get and we spent and none of these guys

810
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: were cheap guys, some more expensive than others. But we

811
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 4: But I think that's what the frost. The frustrating thing

812
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 4: at being two and seven high hopes, you know, injuries

813
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: last year, narrative that it was just injuries and didn't

814
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: have our guys, you know, bad finish, we add some

815
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: key free agents and here we go and we just

816
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: haven't seen the impact with the guys that we've the

817
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 4: free agents that we we signed.

818
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: That's a lot of times how it works in free

819
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: agency right there. We've had some special free agents around

820
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: here over the years. Ye'd be and we can.

821
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: I know we're up against it. But it leads to

822
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: me to the next thought I had today thinking about

823
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 4: this team and some of the injuries we are now

824
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: going into next year with what I deem is the

825
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 4: most important position group on the entire team of any

826
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: team in the NFL after quarterback, offensive line going in

827
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: next year and I'm breaking my rule but we're not

828
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: gonna talk to draft free agents or anything. But just

829
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: looking at like ause the injury or two and seven,

830
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: you have no left tackle under contract for next year,

831
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 4: I guess you gotta get you get to see what

832
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 4: Walker little is.

833
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: For the next But he's a free agent, is your point.

834
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 4: But he's a free agent. And guess what someone's usually

835
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: have to overpay for free agents when they get to

836
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 4: that thing. Okay, so we have no left tackle. Uh,

837
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 4: are one young good offensive lineman that we were trying

838
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 4: to develop? Just who knows how bad his kney is.

839
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: You have a center and right guard. Are they going

840
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 4: into their eleventh years next year or twelve years old?

841
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 5: Guys?

842
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 4: So they're gonna go there eleventh years? Last last year?

843
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: This is like as and I said, how much.

844
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 5: Would shock you to see either one of them or

845
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 5: both of them just say I'm done? Because there was

846
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 5: always a talk that in Buffalo that the Bills thought

847
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 5: that Morse was coming to the end, if by his

848
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 5: own choosing at some point.

849
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 4: Well, and this is back to back years. The sheriffs

850
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: beat up.

851
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 5: Right, how much can he take it? How much can

852
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 5: he take top his nails?

853
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 4: But how much does he have left in the tank?

854
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: Right?

855
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 5: And then you got a right tackle who hasn't lived

856
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 5: up to his draft expectations.

857
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 4: I would say this, you got a right tackle that,

858
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: in my opinion, has not taken the jump that I

859
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 4: thought he would from year one to year two, correct,

860
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: I still think he's a he's.

861
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 5: A Should he be the left tackle?

862
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: He's an above average pass walker?

863
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 5: Would he be the left tackle? Tony?

864
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 4: I don't know. He's got to improve his run blocking.

865
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 5: Right, But I'm saying moving forward, not now next year.

866
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 5: Can you go in in the season and say, hey,

867
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 5: you know what, maybe he can be our left tackle? Yeah?

868
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 4: I think something. You gotta go find the right tackles.

869
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: Well, he played in college was left tackle.

870
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's definitely a left tackle peak, But

871
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Speaker 4: then you gotta go find you gotta go find a

872
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Speaker 4: a uh right tackle. Right.

873
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Speaker 5: It goes back. You don't want to talk about the draft.

874
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Speaker 5: It goes back to the draft. It's big, big, big, big, bigger.

875
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Speaker 2: That's what the draft we're up against.

876
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 4: It what is We've spent a lot of money and

877
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Speaker 4: stuck and like one of our key positions is really

878
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 4: going into next year between injuries and age and free agency.

879
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 4: It's like the boy, we got a lot of work

880
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Speaker 4: to do, all right.

881
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Speaker 2: We'll dig into that work a little more when we

882
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Speaker 2: come back. The Jags face the Vikings this Sunday for

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Speaker 2: the Jack Salute to Service games. See the shell white

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Speaker 2: alternate helmets and action for the first time as we

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890
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Speaker 2: Jaguars YouTube. A few minutes away from the second hour

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Speaker 2: of the program. We'll get to for that ex fan questions.

892
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: We'll keep it real because we have it already, and

893
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: we'll go around the league. Yes, Tony, guys, a few minutes.

894
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Speaker 4: We can't finish this first hour, just in case people

895
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: got to leave without talking about what everyone has been

896
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 4: talking about, not everyone, but a lot of people on Twitter.

897
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 4: I know Pete been you know, hitting us up on

898
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Speaker 4: it as well as I've heard it from other people.

899
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Speaker 4: Is the play that ended the game yesterday, the play golf,

900
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Speaker 4: and we haven't talked about that situation. Just to set

901
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Speaker 4: it up for everybody and remind everybody, we're down five

902
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Speaker 4: and we get the ball after stopping after basically we

903
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Speaker 4: get the ball. Was from midfield because of the missed

904
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Speaker 4: long field goal pass interference. Bottom line is we're moving

905
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Speaker 4: down the field and first and fifteen with a minute

906
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Speaker 4: thirty seven last. I mean first, first and ten on

907
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: the fifteen with mid to thirty seven left, and we

908
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Speaker 4: call a wheel route. Now, Pete, I was watching, there

909
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 4: wasn't much open on the other side, but I think that.

910
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: Was not There wasn't really anything open.

911
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Speaker 4: I think that's where Trevor was going the whole time though.

912
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the first read. Doug even said that. Yeah,

913
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Speaker 5: And he might have had Washington inside if he waited

914
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Speaker 5: a second, but it would have been a tight throw.

915
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Speaker 4: He was gonna get sacked. Walker Little had a soft edge.

916
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Speaker 4: So and and people have asked me, is why is

917
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Speaker 4: During Johnson our third wide receiver, I mean third running

918
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Speaker 4: back in the game at the end, and we're gonna

919
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Speaker 4: call an isolation route to him against the linebacker. A

920
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 4: couple of things there. One, he might be the third

921
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Speaker 4: run back, but he's the number one third down back

922
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Speaker 4: when it comes to protection, he's the best back of protecting, picking.

923
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Speaker 5: Up which is which is which is why he's in

924
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Speaker 5: on those plays.

925
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Speaker 4: That's why he's in on those situations too. He's the

926
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Speaker 4: second best receiving back we have. He's better catching the

927
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Speaker 4: ball than Tank Bingsby. At this point, it was great

928
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Speaker 4: in my opinion. So and three, it's actually a matchup.

929
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Speaker 4: A lot of coaches are trying to get Pete is

930
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Speaker 4: you're running back one on one down the field against

931
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Speaker 4: the linebacker. Now, what happened? Well, one, Kobe Dean was

932
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Speaker 4: playing over the top the whole time.

933
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Speaker 5: He never threatened him with anything like an angle route

934
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Speaker 5: or anything like that. He never felt through. You know,

935
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Speaker 5: sometimes you get out of the backfield like that and

936
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Speaker 5: you can threaten them more than that. You never threatened, right, So, Tony.

937
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Speaker 2: You mean over he was playing off the line a

938
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Speaker 2: good bit like.

939
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Speaker 5: Yeah, back he ran the route for him and by

940
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Speaker 5: the way, Erners should have kept running.

941
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Speaker 4: So okay, hold on Pete. But so I just want

942
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Speaker 4: to make sure everyone understands that that is not like

943
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Speaker 4: I've heard people say, that's a terrible call, stupid, blah

944
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, First of all, Pete,

945
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Speaker 4: Craig Baberrong. Lot of coordinators are trying to get one

946
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Speaker 4: on one with the back against the linebacker.

947
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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's let's get more into this on the other side,

948
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 5: because I see JP put his finger up and telling

949
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Speaker 5: you to hurry the hell up.

950
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Speaker 2: We gotta wrap it up. Second hour coming up. We

951
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: got plenty of time for this. When we come back.

952
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: It's Jaguars Happy Hour.

953
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Speaker 3: He played mental gymnastics all day and as a coach,

954
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 3: you can't on a Monday you can talk to your

955
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Speaker 3: football team about situational football and situational awareness and say,

956
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: you know, okay, we can't we can't do that. You

957
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: can't do that as a football team right in those situations.

958
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 5: And as coaches, you go, we could have.

959
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: Done this, we could have done that, We should have

960
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 3: done this, we should have done that. And that's the

961
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Speaker 3: part that you know, beats you up all the time

962
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: as you the longer you're in this business, longer you

963
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Speaker 3: coach it, the longer you play it. I think every

964
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Speaker 3: coach goes through it.

965
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Speaker 2: Every player is going to go through it. Head coach

966
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Speaker 2: Doug Peterson today, welcome back. It's our number two of

967
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Speaker 2: Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mister Chubby's Wings. Before the game,

968
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Speaker 2: after the game, and during the game. Doug Peterson discussing

969
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: second guessing that happens on Monday and the building. We're

970
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: on ten to nextlam Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube, j

971
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: P Shadwick, Tony Bisselli, Pete Priscoe. The Jaguars got in

972
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Speaker 2: a twenty two to nothing hole and then rallied to

973
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Speaker 2: get close. They had the ball in their hands down

974
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Speaker 2: five inside two minutes, but the third giveaway of the

975
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Speaker 2: day ended it. We'll have more on that play as

976
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Speaker 2: Tony was wrapping up the first hour coming up in

977
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Speaker 2: just a moment. The offense struggled through the first half,

978
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Speaker 2: though slow start again, thirty one yards, one first down

979
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Speaker 2: in the entire first half, Trevor Lawrence's worst rating game

980
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: since his rookie year under Urban Meyer. Jack's defense fought again,

981
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: but they had key lapses that killed them. Seven plays

982
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: of twenty or more yards with the Eagles, plus a

983
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: couple of third and long touchdowns for Philly. The Jags

984
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: now two and seven. They're fifth loss by five or

985
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: less points this season, and now plenty of questions moving

986
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: ahead about what this team's going to be the rest

987
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: of the year. Up next, the Vikings come to town.

988
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: Then it's up to Motown to face the Detroit Lions.

989
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: So that's what's going on in the next two weeks

990
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 2: for the Jags before the bye week. All right, guys,

991
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 2: let's let's wrap up this thought about the interception play

992
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: at the end that we had to cut off the

993
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: first hour because it's it's the huge topic of the day. Certainly,

994
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: it really is.

995
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 4: So the reset reset. So Pete, tell me, where are

996
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 4: you disagree? Good match up? I mean getting your running

997
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: back matchup with the linebacker favorbles of offense typically rerec

998
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: like every coordinator is trying to do that some at

999
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 4: some point. I mean, it's not it's not a bad concept.

1000
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 4: Let me put that way.

1001
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 5: Well, on first down, Okay, yes, I get it. I

1002
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 5: guess what you're saying. I like. I like. I like

1003
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 5: backs out of backfield in one on one situation through

1004
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 5: the lineback.

1005
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Speaker 4: Okay, I do too. Second, the Ernest Johnson's in there

1006
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: because in a two minute situation, he's your best pass

1007
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: blocking and blitz pick up and aware running back. And

1008
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: he's and he's and he's better than Tank at catching

1009
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: the ball in the backfield.

1010
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 5: And it better not better than at catches the ball

1011
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 5: in the back.

1012
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 4: I hope he's better than at blocking and all that

1013
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. Buttz pick up, okay, which is protection

1014
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: first in two minutes, So that's good. And you know

1015
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 4: I've also heard and you know, some people say, well,

1016
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 4: maybe they should have run it more clock and and

1017
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Speaker 4: that's an argument. But at the same time, I think

1018
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 4: Pete would say, like, you gotta go score and then

1019
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 4: go get stops, like you don't try to mickey mouse

1020
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: around and try to score with no time left, like

1021
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 4: you score, let your defense go play.

1022
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Speaker 5: But let maybe real quick. By the way, if Etn's

1023
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 5: running that route or if Digsby's running the route, they're

1024
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Speaker 5: not open either the way he played it.

1025
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Speaker 4: So yes, and so the other thing is so also

1026
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Speaker 4: this is by design Trevor's first read. Now my issue

1027
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Speaker 4: is him throwing the ball because Dean is over the

1028
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Speaker 4: top the entire time, and so he's now asking to

1029
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 4: throw a fifty to fifty ball to a guy who

1030
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Speaker 4: is not a fifty to fifty receiver.

1031
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 5: And was there not a receiver on that side of

1032
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Speaker 5: the field, by the way, there wasn't what no, no, no,

1033
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 5: I'm saying to start the play, I.

1034
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Speaker 4: Don't remember, I don't think about it.

1035
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Speaker 5: But usually when you run that play, a lot of time.

1036
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Speaker 5: You try and get him. I can't remember either. You

1037
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 5: try and get him in traffic where he's got to

1038
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Speaker 5: get through something to cover him.

1039
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: If we take a look, yeah.

1040
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but but but the linebacker already had jumped

1041
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 5: out because you had motioned him out, which also brings

1042
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 5: him the question.

1043
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: But back he went over the top of the slant.

1044
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 5: Watch watching, watch watch when he motions, he widens yep.

1045
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 5: So if you don't motion him, you run that play.

1046
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 5: He has to go through trash a little bit rather

1047
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 5: than being able to go over the top of it,

1048
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 5: which is the design of the play. To me, was

1049
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 5: a problem to begin with because I think once they

1050
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 5: started Tony, once they start motioning him out, he knows, okay,

1051
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 5: if he had it Okay, here's the other part of that.

1052
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 5: Did he have a two way go on that route

1053
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Speaker 5: that if he did jump over the top, that he

1054
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 5: comes underneath it. It didn't look that way, right.

1055
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Speaker 4: So so here's my problem with the play. I don't

1056
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Speaker 4: love because when you call that play, you know it's

1057
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 4: the Ernest Johnson unless he's been repping it in practice,

1058
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 4: and he's been doing a great job in practice. I

1059
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Speaker 4: don't love it. Like I like, in the biggest moments,

1060
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Speaker 4: I want to try to go to Evan Ingram or

1061
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 4: Brian Thomas Junior or like my topper guys. But okay,

1062
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Speaker 4: set that aside. The two other issues I have is,

1063
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Speaker 4: I know it's his first read, but looking at it

1064
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Speaker 4: with the linebacker over the top, you ever throw that

1065
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 4: into the back back shoulder where only Duran's can catch

1066
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 4: it or throw the row of the crowd right too.

1067
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Speaker 4: The second issue I have is, if you're Durnis Johnson,

1068
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Speaker 4: you got to run stopped, you got to run through it.

1069
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Speaker 4: And the only thing that can happen is na Kobe

1070
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 4: Dean catching the ball. I don't care if you have

1071
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Speaker 4: to beat them, you know, you know what out of them,

1072
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Speaker 4: tackle them whatever. The game's over otherwise. And so I

1073
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Speaker 4: didn't understand, and I understand it was his first read,

1074
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Speaker 4: but I'd love to ask, you know, maybe I'll call

1075
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Speaker 4: Brunel then and ask him as a quarterback, like, but

1076
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Speaker 4: if you see the guy over the top, you're still

1077
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Speaker 4: throwing it. I would like, I know, if it's a

1078
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Speaker 4: receiver and the guy's over the top, you're throwing the

1079
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Speaker 4: back shoulder.

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Speaker 5: But then Brunell throw one of those in the rain.

1081
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Speaker 5: That's what he threw. The guy was over the top

1082
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Speaker 5: on him, but he threw it in the rain.

1083
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 4: It was a naked though.

1084
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 5: He was still over the top.

1085
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 4: On might he might have he might have he might

1086
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 4: have flashbacks and get upset.

1087
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 5: He's gonna get out. But no, Okay, the design of

1088
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 5: the play. I had fault with the design of play

1089
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 5: because once they motioned him out, the linebacker was widened

1090
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 5: and therefore could get the depth on it and wasn't

1091
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 5: threatened by anything inside because there was no one he

1092
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 5: the receiver couldn't cause any trash once they widened him out.

1093
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying. If they if they kept him

1094
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 5: in the backfield and ran that same play, you might

1095
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 5: have had a better chance of getting him open because

1096
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 5: of the trash that might have caused in front of him.

1097
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 5: A and B would have had a harder time getting

1098
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 5: over the top on it.

1099
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 4: You agreat, Maybe I'm not, as I don't know if

1100
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 4: I was angry about the design of the player as

1101
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: you are.

1102
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 5: It's just nippicking the designer. That's just my personal preference

1103
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 5: on it.

1104
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: All right, let's that read. Wasn't there were there any

1105
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: other reads after that that he could have thrown to

1106
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: on the other side.

1107
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 5: But Tony's right that he was gonna get hit walker

1108
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 5: little you know, just whift basically on his guy. Otherwise,

1109
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 5: otherwise if he had a little bit of time and

1110
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 5: he doesn't like it, which is hard to do, by

1111
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 5: the way, because the whole idea is you got that

1112
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 5: guy one on one, you're throwing it there. It's hard

1113
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 5: to come back to the middle. But if you look

1114
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 5: at that play on I think he has Washington on

1115
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 5: it slant if he if he wants to go there now,

1116
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 5: then he is. You can't get it over the top

1117
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 5: of his head there.

1118
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,479
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it right now.

1119
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 5: No, okay, then he has nothing.

1120
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 4: He could have checked it down to Ingram for like

1121
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 4: a three or four yard game, but he.

1122
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 5: Would have gotten hit before any of that happened. But

1123
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 5: but the bottom line is there were a couple of

1124
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 5: things to nitpick about the play. Would I have run

1125
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 5: it with with Deanonners Johnson? No, But when you've got

1126
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 5: a guy who's in there is your third down passing back,

1127
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 5: then clearly that signals to them that you're running it too.

1128
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 5: I mean they're throwing it too. Tony doesn't it.

1129
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 4: No, they can run it, like I've been fine with

1130
00:55:59,440 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 4: a run play.

1131
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 5: No, but I'm saying usually if he's in there for

1132
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 5: pass protection, you're signaling to the defense that it's probably

1133
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 5: a pass because you would.

1134
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 4: Have but he runs, they'll run it out of that.

1135
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't know. I just would I've run

1136
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 5: that play? Hell? No, Do I think that there's a

1137
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 5: better way to run the play if you're gonna run it?

1138
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 4: Yes, I guess here's my problem, Pete. I've heard everything

1139
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 4: from friends who text me to looking at X like

1140
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 4: think that in talking to people I respect, Like that's

1141
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 4: a fireball offense. How do you throw that call that

1142
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 4: play in that situation? I'm like, I don't know, because

1143
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 4: like it's it's not the wrong matchup as far as

1144
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 4: like back against the linebacker.

1145
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 5: He's pretty good in coverage the Kobe Dean.

1146
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's not. And

1147
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 4: I can see Pete's point if you look at the

1148
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 4: play again, if they do it out of the backfield,

1149
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 4: could maybe you rub and create some traffic for Nakobe Dean? Possibly,

1150
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 4: but he I just gonna go over the top more.

1151
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 5: You might hit, You might hit him.

1152
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I could. That's the fair point.

1153
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 5: But so what you're saying is I need to be

1154
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 5: their offensive coordinator.

1155
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that. Nothing on their side that

1156
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 4: he should have gone to. It's one on one, and

1157
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 4: I guess my point is two things. And maybe this

1158
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 4: is maybe you don't do this with a hang back.

1159
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 4: I'm not a coordinator. Throw it to the back shoulder,

1160
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 4: Throw to the place where only he can make a

1161
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: great play. If not, it's second down to ten.

1162
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 5: And then you could criticize Johnson for all you want,

1163
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 5: but he's not used to running that route, that kind

1164
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 5: of route like that. They probably practiced it, and the

1165
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 5: linebacker probably got caught up in the trash. And because

1166
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 5: they probably didn't practice it that way, I didn't like

1167
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 5: motioning him out. That bothered me because it's set. It's

1168
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 5: it set the message that that's you're gonna be in

1169
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 5: a one on one situation unless and Less and I

1170
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 5: don't know this. You don't know this, is there is

1171
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 5: there an option to that route where he can break

1172
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 5: it off and cut inside of that guy.

1173
00:57:59,600 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: I don't.

1174
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 5: It doesn't look like it.

1175
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: It doesn't because Parker's running in there. I mean I'll

1176
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 4: tell you that. Let me tell you my true thought.

1177
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 4: At the moment, I was less worried about the play

1178
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 4: call as far as the design. I was more in

1179
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 4: the mindset of I would have run the ball there.

1180
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 4: I would have forced Philly to burn a time out

1181
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 4: there because they were in a weak box. A man

1182
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 4: for a man I mean that. I mean you could

1183
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 4: run zone. You could, you could zone read it up

1184
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 4: the back side, and you have basically a man for

1185
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 4: man five for five, and I would try to go

1186
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 4: get four or five with the earnest. So second and

1187
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 4: five force Sirianni to use the timeout, and now I'm

1188
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 4: second and five for the ten.

1189
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,479
Speaker 5: No, Sirianni, you would let the clock tick off.

1190
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 4: Well, then that's fine. Then I know.

1191
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 5: I agree. I would have had no problem with a

1192
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 5: run in that scenario. So if you think you're scoring

1193
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 5: on that play, you have to run that play.

1194
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, But he didn't have to go on that play.

1195
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 4: It was first, and it was first at ten for

1196
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 4: the fix.

1197
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 5: I get it, Tony, but it goes back to my

1198
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,959
Speaker 5: theory on the whole thing, that you can't worry about

1199
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 5: the clock when you got to get the touchdown.

1200
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 4: I actually think you can pete when it's first and

1201
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 4: ten with a minute forty two and like it's a

1202
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 4: do or die because if you don't get in, you

1203
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 4: lose the game because you have no timeouts left. So

1204
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 4: you can play this to the end. I'm not saying

1205
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 4: like take knees or run it right up the middle,

1206
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 4: but like right running out.

1207
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 5: I would have had the problem with the run play,

1208
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 5: but I would not have had a problem with a

1209
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 5: run play there. I can't.

1210
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 4: My biggest criticism of pressing Doug is not the wheel rout,

1211
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 4: not whether you should motion or not, none of that,

1212
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 4: Like getting one one with the backer. Okay, I think

1213
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 4: the route could have been run better. I think the

1214
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 4: ball could have been, like, you know, maybe back shoulder

1215
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 4: because he's over the top. Maybe if you don't do that,

1216
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 4: have the guy run through. It's probably a contested ball.

1217
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 4: Maybe it doesn't intercept it. My biggest issue was why

1218
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 4: not run the ball there? Why not force them to

1219
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 4: like get on their heels a little bit, force them

1220
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 4: to call it time.

1221
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 5: Now, there's no reason that Trevor should should have thrown

1222
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 5: that ball where he threw it though, zero nothing. There's

1223
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 5: nothing that says that guy's even close to being open.

1224
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 5: It's going to be a throw, so he should not.

1225
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 5: He should have thrown it into the crowd or you know,

1226
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 5: short armed it into the dirt or something. There's no

1227
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 5: way he throws that up.

1228
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 4: Don't understand when he sees that what makes him say,

1229
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw this. That's what I understand.

1230
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 5: Okay. And and that's not the worst play call that

1231
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 5: they had of the day.

1232
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 4: But where was.

1233
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: That the fourth down play? Oh, the fourth and one?

1234
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 4: That was a.

1235
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 5: Check by Trevor Well, he checked to a bad play

1236
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 5: because he checked to I know what they're trying to do.

1237
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 5: You're supposed to get a rub on. He's supposed to

1238
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 5: pick him and let him get outside, get the I

1239
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 5: didn't like the call at all.

1240
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 4: First of all, let me tell you what I think.

1241
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 4: It was a check because if you watched the play, Pete,

1242
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 4: the whole offensive line is running sneak.

1243
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 5: I mean whatever, he if he checked that, he shouldn't

1244
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 5: have in part part you know what the play before

1245
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 5: he was a sneak too, and he didn't get anything.

1246
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 5: So maybe they had something to do with it. Right,

1247
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 5: wasn't a third and one and he didn't get to

1248
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 5: he didn't get anything on the sneak.

1249
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 4: It went from third and one to third and half.

1250
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: Half of football.

1251
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have I would have. I would have

1252
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 5: run the sneak again.

1253
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 4: I would have run the sneak again. I would not

1254
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 4: I would not have thrown the ball no matter what

1255
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 4: I would have, I wouldn't even have that check in.

1256
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 5: No, and and it almost That's why I don't know

1257
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 5: if it Maybe they make it look like a sneak

1258
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 5: because because Evan is so ready to catch it and

1259
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 5: do something with it. And usually I don't know, I

1260
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 5: just I think. And who was the receiver that was running?

1261
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 5: Was it? Was it? Parker Washington is supposed to kind

1262
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 5: of pick Cooper Degene, I think, and that's what he's

1263
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 5: supposed to do. And he didn't. And he made a

1264
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,919
Speaker 5: good play on it. I mean, he made a really

1265
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 5: good play on it. But I didn't like to call

1266
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 5: at all. I would have stuck.

1267
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 4: Achilles heel for two years now, third and one and

1268
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 4: fourth and one, yeah.

1269
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah sure. Should they have just punted it?

1270
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, probably.

1271
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 2: I mean that's a tradational conservative way, but pun like

1272
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: I always say, punting is okay.

1273
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 4: Guys.

1274
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 5: People in this sleegue need to learn that it's okay

1275
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 5: to punt the football.

1276
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes stood why they didn't pete because of the situation

1277
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 4: they're in and they needed to get something going. That

1278
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 4: defense been out there. It was going sideways for him.

1279
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 5: But it's okay if you're on the flip side of

1280
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 5: the forty. They were on their own where they have the.

1281
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 2: Thirty nine yard nine, their own thirty nine.

1282
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 5: Come on, tone, you don't defend that call. It's a

1283
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 5: terrible call because you just put him in point plank.

1284
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: Rade and they're lucky that Siriani. He decided to go

1285
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: for it better.

1286
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 5: It's better to be Uh, get that defense on the

1287
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 5: twenty and the other twenty that on the point blank

1288
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 5: range on the thirty nine.

1289
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 4: Okay, we didn't give him any points because Siriani went

1290
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 4: for it himself.

1291
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 5: He did, he's a moron.

1292
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 4: Two. He went on fourth and two instead of kicking

1293
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 4: a field going on three scores.

1294
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: It was fourth and three officially. Of all things, what

1295
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 2: are they doing?

1296
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 5: What are these guys doing? I mean, my.

1297
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: Gosh, Siriani's gonna coach himself out of a job if

1298
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: he keeps doing that kind of stuff. He's gonna cost

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Speaker 2: him some games.

1300
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Speaker 5: But you know what he's done. He's done the old. Look,

1301
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 5: I'm gonna change my appearance so people talk about it

1302
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 5: and don't talk about how bad a coach ebra Flus

1303
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 5: did it. He's doing it. It's amazing these.

1304
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 4: Guys do well. Here's the thing about going for it

1305
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 4: on fourth and inches or halfy yard whatever it was,

1306
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 4: on your own thirty nine. Even if you get it,

1307
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 4: it's not like you all put yourself in a field

1308
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 4: goal range, or like you still get to get three

1309
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 4: or four first downs to go get.

1310
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 5: A field goal, right, that's what I mean. It's not

1311
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: in point blank range. If you're a point blank range

1312
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 5: on the thirty nine and you go for it, okay,

1313
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 5: that's different. You're gonna get one first down and you

1314
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 5: definitely got it, or maybe don't even need a first

1315
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 5: down and you kick a field goal. What do you got.

1316
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 5: There's no endgame there. That makes no sense. I bet

1317
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 5: you after those play calls that the Eagle fans would

1318
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 5: over put Roses on Doug style. O.

1319
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: Man, let's come back in a moment. If that's not

1320
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: keeping it real, I don't know what is. But we

1321
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: got to do that when we come back election days

1322
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: tomorrow and we all need to show up big for

1323
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: our country. Be sure you're prepared to cast your vote

1324
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: making by making a voting game plan. The more resources

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Speaker 2: and information visit NFL dot com slash votes. Forty three

1326
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: minutes to go. It's Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by mister

1327
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: Chubby's Wings.

1328
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Speaker 3: We were with the time left. We had talked about

1329
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 3: it on the sideline to kind of slow the pace

1330
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 3: there at the end, you know, and it's just something

1331
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 3: you got to try to do right. You can try

1332
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 3: to if you can, you know, you stay in bounds,

1333
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 3: you stay in bounds, or if it's in complete, you

1334
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: play another down, whatever it is. But it's to the

1335
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 3: bottom line is two. We still needed to score.

1336
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 4: And.

1337
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 3: You know felt good too with where our defense had played.

1338
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: It would give us a shot.

1339
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: Head goes Doug Peterson after the game yesterday on the

1340
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 2: final interception strategy behind it and welcome back. It's Jaguars

1341
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: Happy Hour, JP Shatterick Tony Wasselli Pete Prisco after a

1342
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: Jaguars loss in Philadelphia to the Eagles twenty eight to

1343
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: twenty three. The final time now for Keeping It Real,

1344
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: presented by Nobody, and we'll go back to the offense

1345
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:38,439
Speaker 2: here overall, we've talked about slow starts, We've talked about

1346
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: key moments where there are interceptions. How do you fix

1347
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: it this year? Is it fixable this season or is

1348
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: this something that is a bigger picture problem for the

1349
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: long term.

1350
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 4: Is it fixable this year? I think a certain degree

1351
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 4: of it's fixable. So if you play cleaner, catch the

1352
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 4: balls that are thrown to you, you know, no pre

1353
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 4: stat penalties, just do the basics, rights, I think there'll

1354
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 4: be some improvement.

1355
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 5: Target Brian Thomas more than four times a game.

1356
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that, Pete. But you're

1357
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 4: beat up, you're probably at you're you're out with the

1358
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 4: guy who would have been your number one target coming

1359
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 4: into the season, Uh, Christian Kirk. So he's out. You

1360
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 4: got a rookie who's is beat up, but heck of

1361
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 4: a player, Your big free agent missed the game or

1362
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 4: when you know this week? So when does he get back?

1363
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 4: You have a beat up, really beat up offensive line,

1364
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 4: and and so I'm not sure how much you can

1365
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 4: fix it. I think you can fix it around the

1366
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 4: edges and just by playing cleaner and not beating yourself,

1367
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 4: trying to start a little faster, but I think there's

1368
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 4: probably limits because of injuries and and maybe you know

1369
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 4: and sometimes you go also. And I'm not saying this

1370
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,479
Speaker 4: is the time to do it. And I'm not saying

1371
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 4: this is the case either, by the way, but maybe

1372
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 4: sometimes you overestimate your talent level two.

1373
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 5: You know that that is the case, you won't say it.

1374
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 5: I will that is the case, And I'm guilty of

1375
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 5: it as anybody. So I can't. I can't sit here

1376
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 5: and criticize anybody else for saying it, because I'm as

1377
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 5: guilty as anybody. I thought the talent was better and

1378
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 5: it's not.

1379
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 4: Where do you think they're lacking talent?

1380
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 5: Well, you can start with the offensive line. That's a problem.

1381
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 5: It's been a problem. It's been a problem for a

1382
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 5: long time. But look, it's not a problem that's only

1383
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 5: in their grouping, because it's around the league. It's a problem,

1384
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 5: but it's a big problem with Jacksonville. I think it's

1385
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 5: a problem on the defensive interior. I think those guys

1386
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 5: are they try, they're good players, they're not I mean,

1387
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 5: they're backups. That's what those guys are. You would like

1388
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 5: to have Hamilton and that group led better as backups.

1389
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 5: You don't want them starting. You need a monster in there.

1390
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 5: You need somebody that's gonna tear people up in both

1391
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 5: the past game and the run game. They don't have that.

1392
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 5: That's a weakness the linebackers in coverage, and they weren't

1393
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 5: awful yesterday, but for the most part this season, the

1394
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 5: coverage has been terrible for the linebacker group and then

1395
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 5: the safety. So I've always been a big believer and

1396
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 5: you build from the edges the way the game is played.

1397
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 5: But they're so bad up the middle right now that

1398
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 5: that's a problem. And so when that's a problem, it

1399
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 5: kind of filters out to the edges. And the fact

1400
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 5: that you have two really good edge play those are

1401
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 5: good edge players. They're not you know, look, they're not

1402
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 5: put their hands on the ground and go blow by

1403
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 5: in win every consistently like a von Miller and is Heyday.

1404
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 5: But they're both good, physical, tough edge players. They don't

1405
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 5: get any help from the inside. And that's why, you know,

1406
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 5: like heinz Allen sack numbers are down, he's having a

1407
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 5: you go back and watch the tape, he's having a

1408
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 5: good year, and so I think that contributes to it all.

1409
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 5: So I think when we do talk about the talent.

1410
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 5: I thought Hamilton would go back to what he was

1411
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 5: before his injury. He hadn't done that. I thought Armstead

1412
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 5: would play on the inside and be what he was

1413
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 5: with the forty nine ers at times in his career.

1414
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 5: He hasn't done that. I thought Lloyd would take the

1415
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 5: next step this year. He hasn't done that. Then you

1416
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 5: go to the middle of the field. The safeties. We

1417
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 5: talked about them. They've been a total F. I mean

1418
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 5: that's an F from where we thought Cisco would be

1419
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 5: in a contract year to what they paid Savage to

1420
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 5: come in and play, to Antonio Johnson who flashed at

1421
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 5: times as a rookie and regressed. That's an F. So

1422
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 5: you add it all up, and you and you know,

1423
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,799
Speaker 5: compound the problem by having Darby playing a man coverage

1424
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 5: which he can't, which he doesn't do very well. And

1425
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 5: you didn't have Campbell for all those games. That's why

1426
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 5: your defense has been bad. It's easy to see, it's

1427
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 5: not hard. And then the offensive line is the problem.

1428
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 5: On the offensive side of the ball.

1429
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a long list, but okay.

1430
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 4: You and I talked about this, So I just go

1431
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 4: back to last year thinking about the team that how

1432
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 4: we finished at nine and eight and so disappointing, and

1433
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 4: we talked about where we thought they needed to get better,

1434
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 4: and you know, before we signed off for the year,

1435
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 4: and I think we talked about this in camp, and

1436
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 4: I remember looking back over what we did in free

1437
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 4: agency and the draft, and my big question as we

1438
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 4: were sitting around, I think it was me, maybe Longes Hair, JP,

1439
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 4: whoever is is this team any better than it was

1440
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 4: last year? And my answer at the time is I

1441
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 4: didn't think so. I didn't see anything that they did

1442
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 4: that made them better. Like I didn't see anything they

1443
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,879
Speaker 4: added on defense compared to the losses they had on defense.

1444
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 4: With the additions, I didn't see them better, especially when

1445
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 4: I had heard, you know, we had all had heard

1446
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 4: at the time, which was confirmed by Ryan Nielson this week,

1447
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 4: that Armsteair was going to be a defensive end.

1448
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 5: But training camp, you didn't think he was going to

1449
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 5: be a defensive end. You thought he was going to

1450
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 5: be a defense He wasn't around him training was practicing. Yeah, right,

1451
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 5: but you thought he was going to be a defensive tackle.

1452
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 4: We I thought someone told us that they that that

1453
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 4: was part of them signing him. I thought that.

1454
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 5: I think that came later, but okay, but I mean

1455
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 5: we were sitting there thinking they'd be better at the middle,

1456
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 5: because you thought he'd beat Eric Armstead from the forty

1457
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 5: nine ers.

1458
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 4: I was worried about it, though he's a ten year

1459
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 4: vet and he's hurt coming up in trees. I was

1460
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 4: always worried about it because just I mean, age is

1461
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 4: undefeated unless you're Tom Brady. And so I didn't know

1462
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 4: where we had like improved across the board based on

1463
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 4: the losses and then the free agent Okay, then you

1464
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 4: move to the offensive side, and I didn't know what

1465
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 4: we had done better. Now granted I did worse. I

1466
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 4: didn't think Brian Thomas Jr. Was gonna be what he

1467
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 4: is when we.

1468
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 5: Drive and see I did, I did not? I did,

1469
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 5: I did not.

1470
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 4: He's a good player. I thought the only thing we

1471
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 4: had done to improve ourselves was adding Mitch Morris, which

1472
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 4: I was also worried about, not because of Mitch Morris

1473
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 4: is the player, just because his ten year bet and

1474
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 4: how much you know, how much gas does he have

1475
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 4: in the tank. And so I came in the season thinking,

1476
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 4: you know, I'm hoping, you know, We talked about the

1477
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 4: first show, Treffor's gotta have a big year, got you

1478
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 4: gotta jump? Because I didn't think Gave Davis was better

1479
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 4: than h than what's his number zero last year Jones?

1480
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 5: He doesn't run better than he wasn't better.

1481
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 4: In Jay Jones. And I didn't think Brian Thomas Junior

1482
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 4: is a rookie, would be better than Ben Ridley. Well, yes, yes,

1483
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 4: I was wrong about that, but I didn't. I didn't

1484
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 4: think Gabe would be better than Jay Jones. And I

1485
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 4: thought Jay Jones probably better blocker. But we did and

1486
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 4: so I didn't see as being two and seven. But

1487
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 4: we talked about it, Pete, how much better would we be?

1488
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 4: Because I thought we had a tough pretty good. I

1489
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 4: didn't know the NFC North was gonna be the Gauntlet,

1490
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,879
Speaker 4: but I thought we'd be you know, you know, somewhere

1491
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 4: between eight nine and eleven and you know six, I

1492
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 4: mean we'd be. We talked about it that we would

1493
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 4: be fighting for the playoffs. We have a chance to

1494
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 4: go to the playoffs and win the division in December.

1495
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 5: And we were wrong about that. Wrong, I was wrong. Hey,

1496
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 5: but here's the other thing, Tony.

1497
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 4: But Pete, my whole point is if you go back,

1498
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 4: this team also finished one and six last year and

1499
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 4: what we just went through. I'm the fool because I

1500
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 4: didn't think we got much better.

1501
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 5: Wells who is a player? Who is a player that

1502
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 5: they brought it?

1503
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 4: I'll give you two guys. Tank Bigsby's better.

1504
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,839
Speaker 5: Okay, So he's technically your backup running bat. So okay,

1505
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 5: that's good. You have a nice backup running back to

1506
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 5: go with Threaten strange and nine snaps.

1507
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 4: You asked me who got better?

1508
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 5: But he's such a threat that they had nine snaps

1509
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 5: on Sunday. There's there's something wrong there.

1510
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 4: Walker better, Ventra Miller is much better.

1511
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 2: Yes he is, well, he didn't.

1512
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 4: He was hurt last year too, That's why he's better.

1513
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 5: Okay, But again, also I didn't see this happening.

1514
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 4: I A'm Brandish airs playing better this year than needed

1515
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 4: last year. But you don't usually see that of a

1516
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 4: ten year guys.

1517
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 5: My point, But and then we can flip it to

1518
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 5: this thing. You see, you caught a touchdown pass last

1519
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 5: night for the Vikings.

1520
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 2: Right, Josh Oliver Oliver?

1521
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 5: Okay, So Josh Oliver was known when he came to

1522
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 5: Jacksonville's what a blocker, right, wasn't even pretty dark good

1523
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 5: blocker at times in the early in his career. That's

1524
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 5: what they thought he would be.

1525
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 2: That's what they thought.

1526
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 4: I tried to I tried to block these things out.

1527
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 5: Saying we could go through this whole thing. The same

1528
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 5: with Quincy will Williams. It's you got rid of those guys.

1529
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 5: They were on your roster. They're contributors for teams other

1530
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 5: teams where they now you had to go draft to

1531
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 5: replace them. Why just for the sake of replacing them?

1532
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 5: What's the reason?

1533
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 4: Oh, so this goes back to the keeping the real

1534
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 4: what do you need to get better? Well, we are

1535
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 4: now if you look, we were eight and three last

1536
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 4: year yep, which seems like a like a thousand years ago.

1537
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 5: Was that an accident? That's the question you got to ask.

1538
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 4: Well, we can remember how we won them, like we

1539
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 4: were playing pretty good, really good, complimentary football, and we

1540
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 4: were getting tons of turnovers. Remember that.

1541
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 5: And and I want to go back who were the

1542
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 5: teams they beat in that run too? I think if

1543
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 5: we go looking back at some of the teams they

1544
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 5: beat in that run, we go, oh, they beat the Bills, yeah,

1545
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 5: and buff But that was one of those ones where

1546
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 5: they went to the London. Remember they got they weren't

1547
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 5: They had that idea how to handle that. That was

1548
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 5: part of that and they got it. They lost about

1549
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 5: six game, right, Okay.

1550
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,959
Speaker 2: Last year they beat the Colts, they beat the Falcons,

1551
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 2: they beat the Bills, both in London. They beat the

1552
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: Colts again, they beat the Saints, they beat the Steelers.

1553
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 5: I mean, okay, okay, but here's my point.

1554
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 4: Beat we were eight and three. Regardless, we were eight

1555
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 4: and three. Since then, we have gone three and thirteen.

1556
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 4: So when you asked me, what are you gonna do

1557
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 4: to get better, it's not just two and seven. Yes,

1558
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 4: we've added a couple of draft picks. Yes we've added

1559
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 4: a couple free agents. But our offense it's eight of

1560
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 4: the same eleven guys yet last year.

1561
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 5: It's true, but nobody's gotten better, including the quarterback. And

1562
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 5: I think the quarter I'll be honest with you, I

1563
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 5: think the quarterback's being held back by this team. I

1564
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 5: really do. I think they're ruining him. I'll say it.

1565
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 5: If you get an offense, if you get an offensive

1566
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 5: guy in here, like Ben Johnson or something like that,

1567
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 5: I guarantee he's a significantly better player.

1568
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 4: Pete, I fundamentally disagree with you on that comment. Why why,

1569
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 4: Because this is what in my opinion, If you think

1570
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 4: firing a coach is gonna fix everything you.

1571
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 5: Are, That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying.

1572
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 5: What I'm saying you.

1573
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,799
Speaker 4: Said, Okay, Pete, you can't replace a guy without firing

1574
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 4: a guy. So you're saying I disagree with you a

1575
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 4: thousand percent. If you think somehow Ben Johnson coming into

1576
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 4: here is gonna be a magic pill and flip the

1577
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 4: switch and all of a sudden you're gonna be good.

1578
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 4: I disagree with that.

1579
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 5: Okay, So then you don't think the quarterback is You

1580
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 5: can have it one or two ways. Either they've taken

1581
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 5: the quarterback and not made him grow, or he's not

1582
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 5: very good one it's one or two. It's one or

1583
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 5: the other. It can't it has to be why he's

1584
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 5: not as good as it was a year ago. I

1585
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 5: don't think.

1586
01:17:59,200 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 4: Do you.

1587
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 5: Think when he was healthy, when he was healthy last year,

1588
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 5: he's as good now as he was then the same,

1589
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 5: So he hasn't gotten better and.

1590
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 4: The same.

1591
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 5: So he hasn't gotten better. So is this who he

1592
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 5: is or have they made him this It's got to

1593
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 5: be one of the other.

1594
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: Maybe we don't know yet. Maybe there's enough samples.

1595
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 4: Playing a different style.

1596
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 5: Now, like I'll go back to yesterday, the throat to Washington.

1597
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 5: You saw Washington. He's gotta go, he's got to get

1598
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 5: depth on that. That's good, that's what you gotta But

1599
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 5: he also kind of bended off. He's got to be complete.

1600
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 5: That's gonna be the forty yard completion. You saw it

1601
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 5: happened to a couple other times where guys didn't run

1602
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 5: the right they stopped. They kind of there's no there's

1603
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 5: no connection, and it's it's tough guys going in and out.

1604
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 5: I get it, but I I just I just think that.

1605
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 4: Pete, I'm not listen. We can have a debate about

1606
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 4: the quarterback last there.

1607
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 5: The kid has talent. I'm sorry, he has more talent

1608
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 5: than when he gets But.

1609
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 4: You are nuts. You are absolutely qrazy if you think

1610
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 4: fire one coach is gonna fix everything.

1611
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 5: It's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I think they're

1612
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 5: holding him back.

1613
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,799
Speaker 4: You just said if you bring Ben Johnson and his offense,

1614
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 4: they're gonna win.

1615
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 5: You're not say they're gonna win. They're gonna make him better.

1616
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 5: You're crazy, they're gonna make him well, then he can't

1617
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 5: get better. Then it doesn't matter.

1618
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 4: You have to look at the whole thing. Pete. This

1619
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 4: is the problem with organizations. Do they said, oh, let's

1620
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 4: just oh, it's this magic pill, let's take that one.

1621
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 5: It's not what I'm saying.

1622
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 4: That's what you just said.

1623
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 5: I'm saying a guy like Ben Johnson or somebody with

1624
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 5: an offensive mind like that who comes in and doesn't

1625
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 5: doesn't run this offense. This offense is stagnant. It's it's predictable.

1626
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 4: Last year, Pete, remember last year everyone said, we's gotta

1627
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 4: fire the defense. Score again me deven scored, Everything will

1628
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 4: be better.

1629
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 5: Well, I mean remember that. Yeah, Well they fired one

1630
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 5: bad one and got another bad one.

1631
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 4: I must I'm not here to judge whether one's bad

1632
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 4: or good. That's not my point in this argument. My

1633
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 4: point is the mistake. I mean, too many made people

1634
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 4: makes like, oh, just get rid of that guy, and

1635
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 4: it's it's you gotta look at it.

1636
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 5: I need to say one thing about getting rid of anybody.

1637
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 5: All I'm saying, if they had a guy that was

1638
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 5: he can't bring somebody out. He hadn't made him better.

1639
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 5: He's not better. So it's one of two things. Either

1640
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 5: they haven't made him better or he's not any good.

1641
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 5: It can't be both.

1642
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 2: That is keeping it real presented by Nobody, and we're

1643
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 2: back with fanatics, fan questions. We'll get a few end

1644
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,320
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1645
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:48,719
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1646
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:53,880
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1647
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:58,559
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1648
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:03,400
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1649
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,640
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1650
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 4: Outstanding JP outstanding. I gotta jump in real quick. Yeah,

1651
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 4: we ended it real quickly, so I know we're getting

1652
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 4: to the fans and you got to read your read

1653
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 4: My point, P was the mistake is because I'm not

1654
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 4: advocating for firing anyone in that building. And that's not

1655
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 4: my job. It's it's that's one man's job over there.

1656
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 4: It's not mine. My point is, you got to look

1657
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 4: at the whole thing, like, how about the fact that

1658
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence's receivers have have had dropped the ball more

1659
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 4: than any other receiving group, that any other quarterbacks dealt

1660
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 4: with since he's been here.

1661
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely number one in the league.

1662
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 4: Number one in the league. Okay, okay, So if you

1663
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 4: cut those in half and they were in the middle

1664
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 4: of the league, would his numbers be different.

1665
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 5: I think he's a good player. I just think there's

1666
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 5: you're blaming everything on the plate. I think there's more

1667
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 5: to them.

1668
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 4: I think there's the point. I think there's more to it.

1669
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 4: I think you gotta look at everything.

1670
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 5: Okay, but the guys are dropping past is what is that?

1671
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,759
Speaker 5: Is that coaching focused?

1672
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: Wrong guys?

1673
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 5: I don't know, jumping off sides and when you get

1674
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 5: down in the red zone.

1675
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 4: I'm not there every day.

1676
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 5: I believe the coach is responsible for that. I'm not

1677
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 5: saying fired everybody. I'm just saying I think they're holding

1678
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 5: Trevor back. That's me.

1679
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 4: I disagree with you from the standpoint until you are

1680
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 4: understanding and look at everything. I don't know what it is.

1681
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's coaching. I'm not in the building.

1682
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 4: I hear it. I mean I hear things, I'm not

1683
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 4: in the building.

1684
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 5: I don't know. I can ask you a legitimate question

1685
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 5: of how many guys have gotten better and you can

1686
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 5: come over a handful that that that begs that the

1687
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 5: coaching is a problem.

1688
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 4: I just gave you guys who got better.

1689
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 5: Give me three and the whole team.

1690
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, he's gotten better, better, He's better than he

1691
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 4: was a year ago pre dank physical, it's more physical.

1692
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 4: They ask him the game weight. So is that the

1693
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator for asking the game weight? I don't know.

1694
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 5: Maybe, So there you go. It goes back to the coaching. Look,

1695
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 5: I'm not saying sitting here a wholesale change are gonna

1696
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 5: fix it because they have a roster problem as well.

1697
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 5: But I think when it relates to.

1698
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 4: That's my point. You got to look at the whole thing,

1699
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 4: and I'm not.

1700
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 5: Looking at the whole thing. And as it relates to

1701
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 5: the quarterback, I think he's being held back.

1702
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 4: But why is he held back? Is it the poe?

1703
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 4: Is it the roster? The coaching?

1704
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 5: Let us go free for a little while, and then

1705
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 5: if it told him back then I was wrong. Okay,

1706
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 5: I'll tell you that right now.

1707
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 4: Is it the culture? Is it him is?

1708
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 5: By the way, this is not the week.

1709
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 4: I don't know. My point is I get really frustrated

1710
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 4: when everyone's like, oh, it's just Ben Ben Johnson, It'll

1711
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:47,839
Speaker 4: fix everything.

1712
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 5: But well, first off, we don't know if Ben Johnson

1713
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 5: can handle a room. We don't know that at point.

1714
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 4: Bete, you're the one who said it.

1715
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 5: Well, I think Ben Johnson's a bright star in the

1716
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 5: coaching profession.

1717
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 4: I listen. I think Ben Johnson is one of the

1718
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 4: better offensive coordinators in football right now, and I think

1719
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 4: he has the numbers that prove it. I think he's

1720
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 4: in the right place with a great head coach. They've

1721
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 4: built it the right way. They have a strong offensive line,

1722
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 4: they have an identity, they know who they are, they

1723
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 4: have two good backs. They don't ask their quarterback to

1724
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 4: do a lot. It's play action pass. It's like, it's

1725
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 4: all good. But it's built in a manner to fit

1726
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 4: the way that they want to play. And they call

1727
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 4: plays based on their personnel and what they got and

1728
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 4: they it's designed that way. They picked players that way.

1729
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 4: Like I'll give you per example, Pete, you and I

1730
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,480
Speaker 4: both would have said it when they picked Jamar.

1731
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 2: Gibbs in the first round, Jamir.

1732
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,600
Speaker 4: Jamier's thank you, Melvin Kidd when they picked Jamir Gibbs.

1733
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 4: I guarantee you both of us we weren't together and

1734
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 4: both rolled our eyes. Going back in the first round,

1735
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 4: you don't do that. Well, you know what, they got

1736
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 4: a strong offensive line, They got two really good backs,

1737
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 4: They have an okay receiving corps. They have a nice

1738
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 4: tight end. They have a quarterback that got thrown out

1739
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 4: of a city. But you know what, they play to

1740
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 4: their identity. They run it. They're physical, they plack and

1741
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 4: pass high high percentage, and they take shots at times

1742
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 4: like but they pick guys.

1743
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 5: They are But when Jamison Williams is on the field,

1744
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 5: they have a guy who can stretch the field. They

1745
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 5: have a tight end who can catch the ball, and

1746
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 5: they have a guy who can work the intermediate routes

1747
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 5: on the running game. I get it.

1748
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 4: What they go do? They invest the offensive line, They

1749
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:38,799
Speaker 4: invested in backs.

1750
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 5: Well, they drafted they also guess what, now, what's Jared

1751
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 5: Goff talking?

1752
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 4: They're talking about Jared Goff MVP candidate.

1753
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 5: Well, they invested in the offensive line. They drafted Pinay

1754
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 5: Seoul high in the first round. They already had Decker.

1755
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 5: They already had Decker. They already had uh right now.

1756
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 4: So they they got they win got Zeitler free agency.

1757
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,799
Speaker 5: Jacksonville could have got Zeitler for the same damn sandwich

1758
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 5: that take out for him.

1759
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 4: Pete, You're missing my point. You can't just look at

1760
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 4: one thing. They made an decision. This is who we are,

1761
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 4: this is how we're gonna play, and we're gonna build

1762
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,879
Speaker 4: it that way, right, So.

1763
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 5: What's the decision at Jacksonville? How do you play it?

1764
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 5: And what you just said before, there's no identity. There's

1765
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 5: no identity.

1766
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 4: First of all, you have to establish what you want

1767
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 4: to be well.

1768
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 5: And that goes to the coaching part of it, doesn't it.

1769
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 4: I think it goes to the whole front office, coaching, GM,

1770
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 4: all of them together.

1771
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 9: You gotta be on the same page. And I'm not

1772
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 9: by the way, I don't want anyone tweeting me or

1773
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 9: say anything reading into it. I'm saying they're not. I'm

1774
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 9: just saying the results aren't very good. That's all I'm saying.

1775
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 4: And my response in my ti rade here is to

1776
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 4: Pete who said they.

1777
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 5: Just made it better bring Ben Johnson in, But they

1778
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 5: haven't made a better Bring somebody in to make it better,

1779
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 5: make it better. They haven't made it better. They have

1780
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 5: the number one overall pick in the draft and They've

1781
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 5: rendered him into something that he isn't, which is average,

1782
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 5: and that's the problem.

1783
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 2: His receivers lead the league and drops since he joined

1784
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 2: the NFL.

1785
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 5: Pete, the whole thing, Well, you should have got rid

1786
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 5: of Keenan. I mean I got an answer for all

1787
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 5: of them.

1788
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 2: He's coming in next week.

1789
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 4: By the way, Pete, I know you agree with me

1790
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because like you've got it, you can't

1791
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 4: just like I get so tired of it because guess what,

1792
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 4: this is what everyone does. Let's go get the hot coordinator.

1793
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 4: And Ben Johnson is dang good coordinator, but he's also

1794
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 4: in a great situation with it.

1795
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go to another thing. Daniel steps into Washington

1796
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 5: with Cliff Kingsbury, and their offensive line is a hodgepodge

1797
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 5: of veterans. They signed because a lot of them are questionable,

1798
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 5: good questionable one going in mclaurin's a good player. The

1799
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 5: runnback's a good player, not any better than what Jacksonville has.

1800
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 5: And yet they go in there because Kingsbury makes it

1801
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 5: easy on the quarterback. The system. He quarterback's really good,

1802
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, but he made.

1803
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 4: It pretty good. Pe you know what else, he does.

1804
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 4: He's in the building like a four point thirty every

1805
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 4: morning doing studying and oculus and all this.

1806
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 5: I mean, no, I love the kid, Don't get me wrong.

1807
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,839
Speaker 5: I thought he was the best quarterback in the draft class.

1808
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 5: But but again, a coaching system, the whole thing can

1809
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 5: make the quarterback better.

1810
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 4: It's everything around it. It's the whole organization. It's who

1811
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 4: you are, what your identity is.

1812
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 5: It's typing better now than he was a year ago.

1813
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 4: Yes or no, I can't say. I don't think so.

1814
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 5: Then then there's a problem. I mean, he's either he's

1815
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 5: not good, which I don't believe, or they're holding him back.

1816
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 5: And I'm a big believer in that.

1817
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 2: I guess let's come back. We've got to take this

1818
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: time out. We'll come back with a fanatics fan question

1819
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 2: or two. Maybe if we have time. We gotta get

1820
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 2: around the league. We're gonna speed around the league. No

1821
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,800
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1822
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1830
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 2: put the cat signal out. Plenty of submissions today, we

1831
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 2: only have time for two. This is that will do

1832
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 2: forty four? Why do you think Strange played so few

1833
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: snaps this week? Would have expected him to get targets

1834
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 2: with us so thin at wide receiver, not everybody at once.

1835
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:49,560
Speaker 2: Oh hope you don't have Tony go ahead.

1836
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:50,639
Speaker 5: Tony, Tony go ahead?

1837
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 4: I thought he go ahead, there you go. Yeah, I'm mute.

1838
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 5: I was shocked, which would be that would be bad

1839
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 5: if you were on that the whole show sometime, geez.

1840
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 4: I was shocked by that because I thought they I

1841
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 4: thought the best. If I was saying, okay, who's the

1842
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 4: best group on the field for them, it would be

1843
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 4: Brian Thomas Junior. But now he was beat up all week,

1844
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 4: so who knows how much practice he could get any

1845
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 4: And he's a rookie, so you got to be careful

1846
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 4: if he's not practicing H Parker, Washington, Strange, and Evan

1847
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 4: Ingram with either E Tan or I'm a big, big

1848
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 4: Sbey fan, but he was beat up too, so but

1849
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 4: either one of those, any of the backs, Like I

1850
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 4: thought that was your best personnel grouping, that would put

1851
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 4: them in a little bit of a bind of how

1852
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 4: they matched up with Ingram because now they have to

1853
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 4: decide do they go base personnel to stop the run

1854
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 4: because you can run it out of twelve, or do

1855
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 4: they go to nickel to match up with Ingram. I

1856
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 4: thought we'd see a lot of that, and we did not.

1857
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 5: Well, I mean Trammel played how many steps? He played

1858
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 5: like thirty five? And I think Strange play nine.

1859
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 4: I don't.

1860
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 5: And this is nothing he has trouble because he actually

1861
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 5: did some He ran some good routes. You know that

1862
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 5: he did. He ran some good rounds. Can I why

1863
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 5: we're on Trammel? Why in the hell was he returning punts?

1864
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,799
Speaker 5: Can I get that? Can I get that? Because Washington

1865
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 5: was playing receivers?

1866
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 4: So what so what Trammel ended up playing just as

1867
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:22,480
Speaker 4: bad as much receivers?

1868
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1869
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 4: Right?

1870
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 5: I mean you talk about a mistake. That's a mistake.

1871
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:28,719
Speaker 4: I disagreed with that decision.

1872
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Now, now it's not his first time returning punts, by

1873
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 2: the way. I mean, he played in LA.

1874
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 4: He's a great but he catches the ball very well.

1875
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 4: So they were they were.

1876
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 5: Very very well. And he dropped it very well too.

1877
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 4: He didn't dry he got He caught it and started running.

1878
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Got hit.

1879
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 4: First of all, he should have fair caught that ball.

1880
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 5: Dropping it is when you fumble it. He fumbled it.

1881
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 4: If you don't catch it clean. He caught it clean

1882
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 4: and started running.

1883
01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 5: Okay, but why would you not have washed its back there?

1884
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 5: I would have, particularly after he had one for a

1885
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 5: touchdown a couple of weeks ago.

1886
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,799
Speaker 4: I would have Pete, you're missing my point.

1887
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 5: Okay, Well what's the point? What's their point? What would

1888
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:11,799
Speaker 5: be that point?

1889
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 4: They didn't want to because Parker was starting, They didn't

1890
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 4: want to have him returned punts too. But if I'm

1891
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 4: not mistaken, on the first play, wasn't Trammell out there

1892
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 4: on the field on the first play of the game.

1893
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 5: I think he was.

1894
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1895
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 5: So so you're so one of your put the other

1896
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 5: starting receiver off that you got him off the street

1897
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 5: and put him over there, off the practice squad put

1898
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 5: him over there. It makes no there's no reasoning behind that,

1899
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 5: no testifying it. I'm sorry, there's no justifying it.

1900
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to.

1901
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about you.

1902
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 2: Unless they saw something in the practice field we didn't see.

1903
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. Uh, let's get one more question and

1904
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 2: then we got to go around the league at Jacob

1905
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,919
Speaker 2: Brighthart too, or slow starts being caused by poor execution

1906
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 2: by the players, or a poor script by the play callerer,

1907
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 2: or I'm gonna I'm.

1908
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 4: Always gonna I give the players the credit and I'm

1909
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 4: gonna take give them the blank. I think it's the

1910
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 4: Jimmy's and Joe's not tax as well.

1911
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,600
Speaker 5: How about if I give him a ten places for

1912
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 5: this week and see if it works.

1913
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 4: I would love that. I would love it. The problem

1914
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 4: is I don't. I would have a hard time rooting

1915
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 4: against my Jaguars. But I want you to fail, so

1916
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 4: I can.

1917
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 2: I know you want to take some criticism next week.

1918
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 2: That would be a way to do it.

1919
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 5: I know one of those plays I put Brian, I

1920
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 5: put Brian Thomas on a post corner route and get

1921
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 5: him for about forty.

1922
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm listen. Bet you like to claim that you

1923
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 4: could be an offensive coordinator.

1924
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 5: I couldn't. I could not be. I'll be honest with you.

1925
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 5: I could not be. I would never pretend to say

1926
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 5: that I could be. But I know, just like I

1927
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 5: could never direct a movie, but I know what looks

1928
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 5: good on the big screen, and I know ways to

1929
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 5: make it better.

1930
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 4: I could get your run game for you. That's about it.

1931
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 4: I could I get your protection a run game when

1932
01:33:58,200 --> 01:33:59,560
Speaker 4: it comes to routes and coverages.

1933
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 5: But just like little things, I couldn't. I wouldn't the

1934
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 5: design of that play that they ran for daners Johnson.

1935
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 5: I would have had it run a different way, just

1936
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 5: just for the exact reasons I explained. That's all I'm saying.

1937
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 2: All Right, fanatics, fan questions are in. We're done. We

1938
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 2: got to touch around the league. We got like three

1939
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 2: minutes left to go around the NFL.

1940
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Speaker 5: Go fast, because you got to do your Monday night chorus.

1941
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got two minutes basically. So what stands out,

1942
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 2: Pete about around the league yesterday? What's the number one

1943
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 2: thing that of all these games stood out to you

1944
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 2: the most?

1945
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,799
Speaker 5: Well, I think the Cowboys are toast. I mean, that's

1946
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 5: it's sad. But because you look at the Cowboys, you

1947
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 5: think that they were going to make a little push

1948
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 5: to win that division. They're done. They're finished. The Ravens

1949
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 5: exposed the Broncos a little bit on Sunday, and the

1950
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 5: Ravens are dynamic on offense. By the way, Todd Monkin

1951
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 5: doing a hell of a job calling plays in Baltimore.

1952
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 5: He's really adapted to what they do. And I think

1953
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson's adapted to what he does. It's really working.

1954
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 5: So that's a couple of things. Joe Flack starting, did

1955
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 5: it work out? No, he did nothing. He did nothing.

1956
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 5: Anthony Richards has not been good. But you make that move,

1957
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 5: you got to get more than three points out of it.

1958
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Speaker 4: Uh.

1959
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Speaker 5: So that's just a couple of the things going on

1960
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 5: around the league.

1961
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Speaker 2: Tony, I would watch them.

1962
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Speaker 4: The Jags, so I.

1963
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 5: Mean, I can go round more I can give.

1964
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 4: I watched, I didn't, I watched. I stayed in Philly

1965
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 4: last night. I didn't go back with the team because

1966
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,719
Speaker 4: I had a meeting in uh I'd go to Chicago

1967
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 4: this morning. I did watch the entire Sunday night game

1968
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 4: as tired as I was. I did not see that

1969
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 4: being a defensive battle. I mean the goal, the Colt's defense.

1970
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Speaker 4: Give them credit. They scored seven and they played good things,

1971
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 4: played tough.

1972
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Speaker 5: But here, here's the other thing about that, Joe Flacco

1973
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 5: had problems with a lot of those coverages, those dropping

1974
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 5: out and everything. If he having problems with those, and

1975
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 5: Jacksonville doesn't dictate tempo in that game, which is what

1976
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 5: I think they should do, and they getting third and long,

1977
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 5: that's gonna be a problem next week.

1978
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Speaker 4: Well, it's not just third and long, second and long again.

1979
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Speaker 4: They're gonna they do a lot of exotic stuff.

1980
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Speaker 5: Yep.

1981
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Speaker 2: Monday Night Football, Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

1982
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,799
Speaker 2: at four and four head two arrowhead to face Patrick

1983
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 2: Mahomes and the final undefeated team in the NFL, the

1984
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs at seven to zero. Inclement weather in

1985
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 2: the forecast in Kansas City. Who you got tonight?

1986
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 4: Not gonna be close? No, no Godwin, no Evans, no

1987
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 4: Mike Evans. Tough lads, really good tamp I mean a

1988
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 4: really good Chiefs defense. I see this as a ten

1989
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:36,879
Speaker 4: plus point victory for the Chiefs.

1990
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Speaker 5: I agree, and I think getting Hopkins. Why he might

1991
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 5: not help every team, He's gonna help that team because

1992
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 5: he knows how to sit down in zones and create

1993
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:47,679
Speaker 5: help Kelsey get open. So run defense tops in the league.

1994
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:49,639
Speaker 5: They're gonna shut down the Bucks run game. It's gonna

1995
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 5: be ugly.

1996
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Speaker 4: I feel bad because I think the Bucks were a

1997
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 4: pretty interesting team when they got it.

1998
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so they got hurt. They can't you know, they

1999
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 5: can't keep up. Baker Mayfield as seven interceptions in the

2000
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 5: last three games. He's throwing touchdown passes by turn it over.

2001
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Speaker 2: You have it. You heard it here first. That's Monday

2002
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 2: Night Football. We'll do it again next week after the

2003
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Speaker 2: Vikings come to town. Gentlemen, have a great week.

2004
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Speaker 4: You want to lock it?

2005
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Speaker 5: No, there's not a chance in hell. I'm locking that Game's.

2006
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Speaker 2: Pete Frisco, Tony Boselli. I'm JP Shattucker. Thanks to David, Joe,

2007
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Speaker 2: Brent Reeber, Joe Fortunado, our entire crew at Jaguars dot

2008
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Speaker 2: Com and Jaguars Media. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.