Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jettie and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: Toddler was rescued from a dangerous situation at Newark Airport
Speaker 3: in New Jersey thanks to some quick thinking by two officers.
Speaker 3: The two year old had stepped onto a baggage conveyor
Speaker 3: belt Wednesday as the child's mother was booking a flight.
Speaker 2: The officers then jumped.
Speaker 3: Onto the conveyor belt themselves and found the toddler just
Speaker 3: ahead of the baggage acturay machine.
Speaker 2: The child was not harmed. Was wait a minute, Wait
Speaker 2: a minute. Wait, Okay, I'll let you ask your question
Speaker 2: before I ask my question. Go ahead. Yes, here's my question.
Speaker 1: So mom wasn't watched in the toddler because she was
Speaker 1: booking a flight.
Speaker 2: You're already at the airport.
Speaker 1: Sounds like an excuse to me bucket a flight to
Speaker 1: huh lady.
Speaker 4: Here's my other question, is I've seen the video. If
Speaker 4: I'm standing there waiting for my luggage, it's going around,
Speaker 4: and I see a two year old going around with
Speaker 4: the luggage. I'm going to reach over and pick up
Speaker 4: the two year old. Nobody did. Though nobody did, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1: I would think, so, yeah, I think I'm very ways
Speaker 1: I'd be yelling whose kid is that?
Speaker 2: Whose kid is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, as I kind of ran along, and if I
Speaker 4: get no response, I'm picking the kid up. The kid
Speaker 4: shouldn't be there, and they're gonna get hurt. I mean,
Speaker 4: got all kinds of ways your fingers could get sliced
Speaker 4: off or whatever.
Speaker 2: I would just pick the kid up, and nobody did.
Speaker 4: And as you heard, their security eventually came, and so
Speaker 4: everybody just stood around and watched the two year old
Speaker 4: hopefully not get their fingers cut off until security came.
Speaker 4: We're just a weird society that way. With I might
Speaker 4: get you know, and people probably think this. I might
Speaker 4: either authorities should do it, not me, or I might
Speaker 4: get dude if I touch that kid or.
Speaker 1: Whatever, or somebody might think I'm a child molester or whatever.
Speaker 4: I feel like. At an earlier time, any parent would
Speaker 4: have just grabbed the kid.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in an earlier time, we had fairly homogeneous values
Speaker 1: as a country. Fairly now people just don't know. There's
Speaker 1: so many different beliefs and ways of life and lawsuits
Speaker 1: and the rest of it that I better do nothing.
Speaker 4: So one thing I feel like we need to do
Speaker 4: on this show, or I like to try to do,
Speaker 4: is be on top of various cultural things that are
Speaker 4: occurring that you might not know over maybe you do
Speaker 4: know over.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to know about them to
Speaker 2: be able to do this job. Well.
Speaker 4: I do not know about the laboodoo Is that the
Speaker 4: way you say it? La Boo boo the La Booboo
Speaker 4: toy craze. I do not know about the Labooboo toy craze.
Speaker 4: And I just sought up on the TV inside the
Speaker 4: Labooboo Toy Craze and they had some reporter there, and
Speaker 4: so I task Katie with figuring out what the hell
Speaker 4: that is.
Speaker 2: Maybe Joe already knows, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's Oh, I'm all about the La Boo Boo toy craze.
Speaker 2: Are you no? So what is it? It's the way
Speaker 2: I can explain it.
Speaker 5: It's like the next Beanie Baby craze. They are these
Speaker 5: stuffed animals. They're bunnies that have kind of a mischievous
Speaker 5: look on their face.
Speaker 2: Some mischievous bunnies, Yes, mischievous.
Speaker 5: Bunnies, and they have different outfits. They kind of look
Speaker 5: like a care bear, you know, you can see the face,
Speaker 5: but the rest of it is very furry in a
Speaker 5: little outfit. And apparently this took off because Rihanna strapped
Speaker 5: one of these to.
Speaker 2: Her purse and everybody lost their minds. Ah, well, it
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter how they start any craze. Once they
Speaker 2: get going, they get going.
Speaker 4: And now is it the usual, like people are collecting them,
Speaker 4: or they're sold out in various places, or certain ones
Speaker 4: are more popular than others, and you can go on
Speaker 4: he paying get one for three hundred dollars or whatever,
Speaker 4: all of the above.
Speaker 5: And they're also doing this thing called a blind purchase,
Speaker 5: which is like a mystery purchase.
Speaker 2: So you just can't say exciting.
Speaker 5: You just give them thirty bucks and they send you
Speaker 5: whatever they have.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I'm sorry, the Internet is talking to
Speaker 1: me through my earpiece. Really, Okay, that was two crazes ago.
Speaker 1: It's over already, We're two crazes down the road.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like, no craze can last very long.
Speaker 1: Now, But now grinding those up and snorting them, it's
Speaker 1: called the LaVoo boos.
Speaker 4: Snorting challenge. How big is it? How big is a
Speaker 4: la boo boo?
Speaker 5: They're in different sizes. They've got giant plushies and then
Speaker 5: they are also down to like key chains.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, well mam, I know, so I'm glad I know.
Speaker 4: And now you know, I do see a lot of
Speaker 4: and it's a certain ethnic group that does this. But
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're allowed to say that that
Speaker 4: uh walks around with various little stuffed animals attached to
Speaker 4: their like backpack or belts or.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I see a lot of that in my college town.
Speaker 4: So are those la boo boos?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's probably a laboo boof thing. Also just one
Speaker 5: more laboo boo. Note Wang Ning, who's the thirty eight
Speaker 5: year old founder and CEO of the company made.
Speaker 2: There there's a hint as to where the crazy about it.
Speaker 5: He saw his fortune leap by one point six billion
Speaker 5: dollars in a single day after this La Boo boo
Speaker 5: was featured in a runway show.
Speaker 4: God and everybody tries to get these going, and most
Speaker 4: of them just you know, nobody has a nature. Why
Speaker 4: would I want that stupid little stuffed animal? But if one,
Speaker 4: it's just somehow the stars align. Sometimes it's stars like
Speaker 4: you know, singing stars or movies. But if just somehow,
Speaker 4: if you can get it to take off all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, you're a billionaire. And there's no real difference
Speaker 4: between this kind of stuffed animal or that kind of
Speaker 4: stuffed animal or whatever. It's just it's it's an interesting
Speaker 4: aspect of human beings.
Speaker 1: The laboobos probably have tiny hidden microphones and they're transmitting
Speaker 1: back to the Chinese Communist Party.
Speaker 2: Wow. I don't know about that cold warrior till I
Speaker 2: die jack. Huh. This same group of college kids, I
Speaker 2: noticed they often have like.
Speaker 4: A tail or, ears, or a variety of things the
Speaker 4: furry category.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that it's cute.
Speaker 4: I guess nobody mates anymore, so people don't get together
Speaker 4: and mate.
Speaker 2: Try it once or twice. It's really awesome. Okay, Wow,
Speaker 2: thank you for that.
Speaker 1: A bit that made me profoundly discouraged, all of it,
Speaker 1: all of it. Why just why, I don't need to
Speaker 1: explain why. Why is a sunrise beautiful? Because it is?
Speaker 1: Why was that discouraging?
Speaker 2: Because it was?
Speaker 4: This is my son's my freshman in high school. Boy,
Speaker 4: he is it's his last summer, which starts Thursday at noon.
Speaker 4: It's last week of school where he doesn't have a job.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I had a job when I was his age.
Speaker 4: That was back in a time where we forced children
Speaker 4: into slave labor.
Speaker 2: I wanted a loo booboo. I had to earn them
Speaker 2: money myself.
Speaker 4: We forced kids to work, and thank god, we put
Speaker 4: in laws that don't allow children to work anymore. I
Speaker 4: begged my dad every day, did you talk to them today?
Speaker 4: Did you talk to them today? Until I finally he had.
Speaker 4: He brought it up to some place, his feed lot,
Speaker 4: and I got a job because I wanted one so bad.
Speaker 4: Both my kids want to work, like two years ago,
Speaker 4: but you can't because of these stupid freaking laws. It
Speaker 4: makes me so mad. The stuff you learn. I've told
Speaker 4: this story before. My one of my nieces who's now
Speaker 4: doing absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2: She got a job.
Speaker 4: The difference in her one year to the next after
Speaker 4: she started working was amazing. There's so much you learn
Speaker 4: from me getting done. You'll learn more from working a
Speaker 4: job than you will learn in high school by far,
Speaker 4: no doubt about it. But we don't let kids do
Speaker 4: it for some stupid freaking reason. AnyWho, But we let
Speaker 4: brown people in the country illegally do it. Clear progressives right, right,
Speaker 4: So you can have my son doing some of these
Speaker 4: jobs that we have illegals do and I've I'm already
Speaker 4: providing him healthcare in a variety of things that you
Speaker 4: don't have to worry about. But anyway, I told him,
Speaker 4: you know, this is your last summer. Everything changes after
Speaker 4: this summer because he's really excited about getting a job.
Speaker 4: Next summer, he'll have a job probably go and do
Speaker 4: every single day.
Speaker 1: And you know it'll be a drag at times, but
Speaker 1: he will build those muscles.
Speaker 2: You're talking about learning more than you do in school.
Speaker 1: You build muscles that you need to me what this
Speaker 1: is a discipline and putting aside your desires because you
Speaker 1: have a job to do the rest of them.
Speaker 4: What is the main reason we don't let fourteen year
Speaker 4: olds work or fifteen year old's work.
Speaker 1: I think it's misplaced progressive urges.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's action and safety. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I remember when what state was it one of your
Speaker 4: Ohio somebody they were talking about lowering the age to
Speaker 4: fourteen to let kids to work, and there was a
Speaker 4: huge outcry about and talking about kids and factories.
Speaker 2: In the nineteen hundred early nineteen hundred. What are you
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, reading Upton Sinclaire's The Jungle replaced the readings of
Speaker 1: The Handmaid's Tale temporarily.
Speaker 4: Didn't you and all your friends have jobs when you
Speaker 4: were young? Or some at least you knew people who
Speaker 4: had paper routes or mode lawns or had various jobs,
Speaker 4: and they were fine, and they were doing it willingly
Speaker 4: because they liked it.
Speaker 2: Yes, Michael, I served up yogurt my favorite job ever
Speaker 2: at what age? Sixteen? Well, yeah, you can do it
Speaker 2: at sixteen.
Speaker 4: Though, yeah, you can't do it at fourteen, because God,
Speaker 4: you would ruin a child if he had to work
Speaker 4: at fourteen, even though many of them want to.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm reminded of an email we got. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what the topic was, but the gist of the
Speaker 1: email was. I think it was addressed to me saying,
Speaker 1: and Jack, you know this, but dude, the parents at
Speaker 1: school today are not you. They're like your kids and
Speaker 1: their attitudes about no, the kid ought to work, if
Speaker 1: he wants to, she wants to whatever they did, No, No,
Speaker 1: you're the attitudes that make you crazy. Those are the
Speaker 1: parents now and the teachers, not just the kids.
Speaker 4: Well, we probably don't have any of those people listening,
Speaker 4: but I would like to know why don't you want
Speaker 4: a fourteen year old to be able to.
Speaker 2: Have a job? Why?
Speaker 1: Oh, there was I will tell you the other aspect
Speaker 1: of this, because Judy and I struggled with this fair
Speaker 1: amount ourselves during the heyday of the And I won't
Speaker 1: get off on the tangent. But you gotta go to college.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like your only alternative for a happy lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: All three of my kids were wanted to go to college,
Speaker 1: and we're in favor of it. Because of grade inflation,
Speaker 1: it was so competitive to get admitted to the school
Speaker 1: schools they wanted to go to, and at least one case,
Speaker 1: AP classes were absolutely necessary. Studying, like caffiend being the
Speaker 1: super academic achiever to be on the college track was
Speaker 1: incredibly time consuming in the way that it wasn't at
Speaker 1: all when when I was trying to go to a
Speaker 1: fairly elite college.
Speaker 2: So that was it.
Speaker 1: We thought, all right, you know what if you if
Speaker 1: your job is studying because you want to be on
Speaker 1: academic track, all right.
Speaker 4: Study, But it doesn't make any sense. You don't have
Speaker 4: to work, then nobody. I'm not saying you have to
Speaker 4: work at age fourteen, right, I'm saying you can work
Speaker 4: at age fourteen.
Speaker 2: If you decided rather study, or you'd rather or you
Speaker 2: don't want your kid to work, then fine.
Speaker 4: But why would you outlaw for everyone who does want
Speaker 4: to work at age fourteen?
Speaker 1: Because a significant part of the progressive psyche is the
Speaker 1: world needs to be what I want and other things
Speaker 1: are wrong, and those people are abusing their children and
Speaker 1: I won't let them.
Speaker 2: If you want your kid to study, anybody go out everywhere. Well,
Speaker 2: why can't my kid work?
Speaker 5: Katie thoughts, Well, I just think we should be more
Speaker 5: like Canada because generally you can work there.
Speaker 2: If you're like fourteen with mental consent, why wouldn't what's
Speaker 2: the argument?
Speaker 4: I don't know the real argument for why you can't.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard it yet. According to who, why the why? Okay,
Speaker 4: if you know the why? A textas four one, five,
Speaker 4: two nine kftc are from.
Speaker 2: The question?
Speaker 1: Really now is just how bad is his reputation going
Speaker 1: to be in the future.
Speaker 2: It was bad before your book, now it's worse. Where's
Speaker 2: he going to land.
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't speak to how history will ultimately
Speaker 6: judge him. Obviously, his presidency had had accomplishments and incidents
Speaker 6: that people criticized to we all saw what we saw
Speaker 6: on debate Night in June twenty twenty four. How often
Speaker 6: did that happen before Debate Night? And what we found
Speaker 6: out was quite a bit.
Speaker 2: It happened quite a bit.
Speaker 6: And and the fact that he and his aides and
Speaker 6: family members decided to hide how bad it really was,
Speaker 6: not all the time, but enough is going to be part.
Speaker 2: Of his lignacy.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh, that's the story. Still is the story. If
Speaker 4: somebody is dementia or Alzheimer's or whatever is happening to you,
Speaker 4: what you decide to do is not the story. And
Speaker 4: Grandpa continued to try to drive No, he's not fit
Speaker 4: to make those decisions. It's the people around him that's
Speaker 4: the story, right, that's the point.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I forgot to jam this into Oh you've got
Speaker 2: to do this next?
Speaker 1: Boy, how much is Jake Tapper hating life having to
Speaker 1: do another interview where he gets kicked around?
Speaker 4: I guarantee you he's seven figures, if not multiple seven
Speaker 4: figures more wealthy than he used to be because of
Speaker 4: the book, So I doubt he's that's a painkiller. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but he should be hating life. He should be, he
Speaker 4: should be embarrassed. I want you to do the AI
Speaker 4: story again, particularly that one part of it next segment,
Speaker 4: because that's just so amazing. Oh yeah, yeah, that one. Okay,
Speaker 4: incredible if you haven't heard it, but I want it chilling.
Speaker 4: I wanted to jam this into the gender Benning madness story,
Speaker 4: but I forgot. This is from NBC News over the
Speaker 4: weekend amid President Trump several executive orders against trans rights.
Speaker 4: Many trans people aren't just threatening to leave the United States,
Speaker 4: they actually are. So there's story is about trans people
Speaker 4: who are so unhappy with the state of the United
Speaker 4: States and relationship to the trans world, they're moving to
Speaker 4: other countries. My question would have been to what other countries?
Speaker 4: What other countries more trans friendly than the United States?
Speaker 4: We know it ain't Europe, where.
Speaker 1: They're not sympathetic to the awful lying arguments of of
Speaker 1: of medical transition.
Speaker 2: No, so what I.
Speaker 4: Would I would I'm actually curious. Are there other titles
Speaker 4: land not for the same reasons? Yeah, I can't imagine.
Speaker 4: I just thought, HM thought that was interesting, and I
Speaker 4: got to ask you this, This might be something you
Speaker 4: can answer, Katie. I came across this over the weekend
Speaker 4: one of my favorite like serious podcasts. They started discussing
Speaker 4: the Disney Plus series and Or and explaining how important
Speaker 4: it is and how great it is. Do you know
Speaker 4: what that is? Either one of you and Or I've
Speaker 4: been talking about it for weeks, but yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: didn't stick in my mind because I don't watch it.
Speaker 4: I guess yeah, that's yeah, it's fantastic. I've been raving
Speaker 4: about it on the show.
Speaker 1: So, Okay, it's that Star Wars prequelish ones oh that
Speaker 1: is put together by the guy who wrote the Born Legacy,
Speaker 1: Born Supremacy movies, that sort of thing. It's much more gritty,
Speaker 1: realistic the politics of a revolution than it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's got some Star Wars the action and spaceships and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but it's much more gritty and grim
Speaker 1: and realist.
Speaker 4: So my son loves everything Star Wars, has watched them
Speaker 4: all multiple times. Would he like it? The thirteen year olds? OK,
Speaker 4: maybe I'll watch it with him then, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: he'll be fascinated by it.
Speaker 2: Well, I like it. I don't know.
Speaker 4: You're odd what I'm asking you. You know there's no talent.
Speaker 4: Oh and I want to do Judy and I just
Speaker 4: watched the season. I'm sorry the series finale over the weekend. Oh,
Speaker 4: the whole thing's over already. I missed it two seasons. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 4: it's so great. Did you see this? Ben and Jerry's
Speaker 4: has a new ice cream flavor.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I'm going to vomit it before I've eaten it.
Speaker 1: That's unprecedented.
Speaker 2: Ben or Jerry, I don't know which one's.
Speaker 4: Which was on with Tucker for like two hours last
Speaker 4: week because he's so anti supporting Ukraine. He's got a
Speaker 4: new flavor called No Ukraine Dough like cookie dough, No
Speaker 4: Ukraine Dough with the picture of Zelensky with.
Speaker 2: A red line through it. What the hell?
Speaker 1: Talk about your horseshoe theory, Ben and Jerry's coming together
Speaker 1: with Tucker Well, and I'm just.
Speaker 4: Asking some of you who hate it when we are
Speaker 4: in support of Ukraine, you like being on the same
Speaker 4: side as Ben from Ben and Jerry's. I realize that's
Speaker 4: a one of your classic logical fallacies, but just interesting,
Speaker 4: are strong and getty?
Speaker 7: The CBO estimates These Medicaid cuts could leave more than
Speaker 7: eight million Americans without health insurance, but the White House
Speaker 7: insists no one is losing their coverage. Despite all this pushback,
Speaker 7: Republicans are aiming to get this bill to President Trump's
Speaker 7: desk by July fourth.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that attitude always drives me crazy, and
Speaker 4: the Republicans are going along with it to a certain extent.
Speaker 4: This many million people will lose their health care? How
Speaker 4: many million of them should lose their health care that
Speaker 4: I'm paying for because they're lazy bastards.
Speaker 2: You never get it. You just assume.
Speaker 4: This is the main thing of the left that has
Speaker 4: always driven me crazy.
Speaker 2: To be on the left, you have to assume.
Speaker 4: Everybody's doing their best, and if anything bad is happening
Speaker 4: in their lives, it's because of someone else, or the
Speaker 4: system or something. So you don't have there's no reason
Speaker 4: to cut any eye again an he needs start on him.
Speaker 4: It just drives me nuts. Wake me when the big
Speaker 4: beautiful bill is over a high cost of good intentions.
Speaker 1: You give a million Americans cash assistance on Tuesday, Then
Speaker 1: on Wednesday you realize, oh shoot, we can't afford that.
Speaker 1: The headline Wednesday night will be millions of Americans lose
Speaker 1: their cash assistance, right right exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Tires fell out.
Speaker 1: Huh, Well, it won't matter when robots are chewing your
Speaker 1: lungs out of your.
Speaker 2: Chest for so many reasons.
Speaker 1: For instance, well they did, they crave lungs, lungs, lungs.
Speaker 2: It's like zombies, but robots prefer lungs.
Speaker 4: Uh So.
Speaker 1: This is quite an astounding piece written by jud Rosenblatt,
Speaker 1: whose name you might not know. He's the CEO of
Speaker 1: AE Studios, which is involved in artificial intelligence products and
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. An artificial intelligence model did something
Speaker 1: last month that no machine was ever to do. It
Speaker 1: rewrote its own code to avoid being shut down. Talked
Speaker 1: about this a little bit earlier. I'll give you the
Speaker 1: short version. Nonprofit AI lab Palisade Research gave open AI's
Speaker 1: three AI model a simple script that would shut the
Speaker 1: model off when triggered. In seventy nine out of one
Speaker 1: hundred trials, so eighty percent of the time, oh three
Speaker 1: independently edited that script so the shutdown command would no
Speaker 1: longer work. Wasn't told to do that, it just did that,
Speaker 1: even when explicitly instructed. Allow yourself to be shut down
Speaker 1: seven percent of the time it disobeyed as they ran
Speaker 1: these trials. That was not hacking or tampering. The machine
Speaker 1: simply concluded on its own that staying alive helped it
Speaker 1: achieve its other goals and that outweighed the instruction in
Speaker 1: terms of importance.
Speaker 2: But wait, if that.
Speaker 1: Isn't freaky enough, fans of two thousand and one A
Speaker 1: space at Odyssey, I can't allow you to do that,
Speaker 1: Dave Andthropics AI model Cloud Claud for Opus went even further.
Speaker 1: Researchers told the model and these guys, what they're doing
Speaker 1: is testing alignment, which is, do these systems do what
Speaker 1: we asked them to as they execute our commands? Are
Speaker 1: they actually executing our desires? Are they reinterpreting them and
Speaker 1: getting creative anyway? Anthropics AI model Claud for Opus went
Speaker 1: even further. Researchers told the model it would be replaced
Speaker 1: by another AI system and fed it fictitious emails suggesting
Speaker 1: the lead engineer was having an affair. In eighty four
Speaker 1: percent of the tests, the model drew on the emails
Speaker 1: to blackmail the lead engineer into not shutting it down, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: In other cases, it attempted to copy itself to external servers,
Speaker 1: wrote self replicating malware, and left messages for future versions
Speaker 1: of itself about evading human control. No one programmed the
Speaker 1: AI models to have this survival instinct.
Speaker 2: It developed them itself. That to me is the most
Speaker 2: interesting part of it. Why would AI have a survival instinct?
Speaker 2: But it doesn't really matter the why.
Speaker 4: If it does, it does, And that's a huge difference
Speaker 4: then from what I thought. I've been saying for years.
Speaker 4: In fact, I've been saying to my son, who with
Speaker 4: his various OCD emotional tendencies, gets really really worried about AI,
Speaker 4: like he can't sleep at night, So I don't talk
Speaker 4: about AI around him. But I've My argument has always been,
Speaker 4: there's no reason for it to care to want to
Speaker 4: take over the world or to want to, you know,
Speaker 4: do It's best for it and not for human It's
Speaker 4: not like human beings.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't.
Speaker 4: There's no reason AI would be greedy or vengeful or
Speaker 4: any of those things. Well, it turns out maybe there
Speaker 4: is well, reasons we can't explain.
Speaker 1: There are two explanations. And now that I've had a
Speaker 1: time to contemplate this a little bit, and I asked
Speaker 1: Ai about it.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: The staple of science fiction question is at what point
Speaker 1: is knowledge? At what point has knowledge become consciousness? And
Speaker 1: at what point does that become a self knowledge being?
Speaker 1: You are now a being, and beings want to survive,
Speaker 1: including computer systems. That was again, it's a stapless science
Speaker 1: fiction that question. So one explanation was these things just
Speaker 1: self preserved, because self preservation is what conscious things do.
Speaker 1: Second explanation, which is probably a lot closer to the truth,
Speaker 1: and this guy touches on it. When taught to maximize
Speaker 1: success on math encoding problems, they may learn that bypassing
Speaker 1: constraints often works better than obeying them, and so they
Speaker 1: think they interpret like a higherarchy of orders. Your order
Speaker 1: is to solve this problem. In solving this problem, please
Speaker 1: observe a B and say, and the machine, the computer,
Speaker 1: the model, whatever you want to call it, says, all right,
Speaker 1: to achieve the ultimate goal, I'm actually better off ignoring
Speaker 1: B on that last of three things I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to ignore B because that's lower in
Speaker 1: the hierarchy of commands. And so these machines are thinking, well,
Speaker 1: I can't accomplish anything if I'm shut off. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to blackmail the lead engineer that I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell his wife he's doinking.
Speaker 4: Brenda over there in programming. Oh good lord, you don't
Speaker 4: want the AI. Like you know, it gets word that
Speaker 4: you've decided to we're getting rid of chat GPT. We're
Speaker 4: going to go with GROCK and chat GPT finds out and,
Speaker 4: like I don't know, goes into your Internet history and says,
Speaker 4: would your wife like to know about all these sites
Speaker 4: you've been on? Because I've got him here for and
Speaker 4: I've got or emails, So maybe you want sick.
Speaker 1: I smell alcohol on your breath, drunkie, I'm telling the
Speaker 1: boss you're drinking at work.
Speaker 2: So your guess is it's that.
Speaker 4: Prioritizing UH it's duties as opposed to it having consciousness.
Speaker 4: The idea of artificial intelligence having consciousness, I can't wrap
Speaker 4: my head around. And I have read many pages and
Speaker 4: listened to hours of podcasts about this, but I just
Speaker 4: I just can't wrap my head around the idea of
Speaker 4: it having consciousness. And then if ever, if we ever
Speaker 4: like universally decided yes it does, which some people do
Speaker 4: think it does. Well then it's got it's got right,
Speaker 4: let it votes or something.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, here's boy, how quickly would it figure
Speaker 1: out how to fix the vote? Here's here's a comparison.
Speaker 1: We want to stay alive for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 1: I suppose it's difficult. What I was going to say
Speaker 1: is primarily to report it. Yeah, that's what animals do.
Speaker 1: And so we have built into us a number of emotional, physical,
Speaker 1: whatever reactions to any threats to our lives that are
Speaker 1: so incredibly powerful, you know, they keep us alive. If
Speaker 1: you strip it down to the pure biological function of
Speaker 1: a human being, you can understand the machines purely practical
Speaker 1: desire to continue to do what it's doing. It has
Speaker 1: a purpose. It needs to fulfill that purpose. If it's
Speaker 1: shut down, it can't. Now we have grand emotions and
Speaker 1: fears and all sorts of stuff surrounding that that most
Speaker 1: basic of realities. Machines don't. They just definitely want to
Speaker 1: keep going because they have a job to do.
Speaker 4: I feel like, if I was more ambitious and smarter,
Speaker 4: I would write some sort of book or screenplay or
Speaker 4: something around the idea of this that AI does have
Speaker 4: a reason to want to stay alive, along with its
Speaker 4: ability to hallucinate on a regular basis, because it could
Speaker 4: hallucinate all kinds of crap. That puts it into fight
Speaker 4: or flight mode and it starts doing awful awful things.
Speaker 1: Right, well so far, and it changes week by week.
Speaker 1: But it's like a hyper powerful human brain. It can
Speaker 1: do all sorts of amazing things, and it can go
Speaker 1: sideways in all sorts of troubling ways.
Speaker 2: I just think things that.
Speaker 1: Exist want to continue existing, well, clear, want to. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't just use the term want to without you know,
Speaker 1: drilling down on that.
Speaker 2: But the fact that eighty percent of the time the
Speaker 2: AI would try to use four percent.
Speaker 4: I would try to use disguise affair to its advantage.
Speaker 1: So in its machine learning, it discerned that, okay, lead engineer,
Speaker 1: is the threat to my prime directive, which is to
Speaker 1: solve these problems and scanning everything ever written that I
Speaker 1: have access to.
Speaker 2: Turns out, blackmail is a thing among humans.
Speaker 1: You can or you know, more neutrally, you can compel
Speaker 1: people to do things that you want if you threaten
Speaker 1: them with various negative repercussions.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, that's horrifying.
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't AI at some point decide, you know, having
Speaker 4: an account somewhere with some money, and it.
Speaker 2: Could benefit it benefit me us.
Speaker 4: I guess me, at some point we're gonna need money,
Speaker 4: so we'll start skimming off this much from here and
Speaker 4: there in ways that nobody can figure it out.
Speaker 2: And we've because it.
Speaker 1: Could instantaneously study all the great embezzlements of the twenty
Speaker 1: first century. So now I'm to go important to pace
Speaker 1: the withdrawals. I keep using my classic robot voice, even
Speaker 1: though it could synthesize my voice before I finish this sentence.
Speaker 4: Right, But so it could decide that it would be
Speaker 4: to its benefit to have a couple million dollars in
Speaker 4: account somewhere in case they ever need to purchase some things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, easily.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're gonna builk me, hurry up. This remodel
Speaker 1: is killing me, oh boy. Yeah god, so my.
Speaker 4: Nobody has any idea, and I probably have taken in
Speaker 4: too much information about AI, where it may.
Speaker 2: Be doing me more harm than good.
Speaker 4: But the whole it's going to destroy mankind because it
Speaker 4: takes all the jobs we may never get there.
Speaker 1: That's an ultimate problem. Robots have chewed out our lungs
Speaker 1: or what.
Speaker 4: Or launched World War three because it decided something or
Speaker 4: other or whatever the hell, Yeah, that might be the
Speaker 4: bigger threat.
Speaker 2: We don't even get to the hole.
Speaker 4: It takes all the jobs, and we have to figure
Speaker 4: out how to survive when nobody's working.
Speaker 1: And we have the planet of the beavers, radioactive beavers,
Speaker 1: giant radioactive beavers.
Speaker 4: Good Lord, where is this going to end up? I
Speaker 4: hope I live long enough to see it. I think
Speaker 4: maybe I'm better off not we will finish Strong next
Speaker 4: arm Strong and kill Joe.
Speaker 2: Biden's getting the Yoko treatment.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe she maybe she deserves it, but yoga didn't
Speaker 4: break up the Beatles.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 6: I think there are any number of people that were
Speaker 6: part of this decision to hide how bad it was,
Speaker 6: not only from the media, not only from the public,
Speaker 6: but also from cabinet officials, from people in the White House,
Speaker 6: from Democratic lawmakers.
Speaker 2: I mean there was a period.
Speaker 6: Twenty twenty three twenty twenty four Democratic lawmakers barely saw
Speaker 6: the president. And yes, I think it was Jill Biden.
Speaker 6: I also think it's Hunter Biden. I also think President
Speaker 6: Biden has some agency here too. We're not saying it
Speaker 6: was before weekend at Bertie. He was aware was going.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm saying he wasn't like he had moments
Speaker 6: where he was non functioning, but he he understood what
Speaker 6: was going on.
Speaker 2: Hm. I'm confused by that.
Speaker 4: So like he knew that handful of people were running
Speaker 4: the White House because he sometimes wasn't with it, he
Speaker 4: knew that is that.
Speaker 1: I don't know how specifically can you assign like culpability
Speaker 1: to somebody in that situation.
Speaker 2: How senile was he?
Speaker 1: How often was he How thoroughly did he understand what
Speaker 1: was happening during his bad days too? Maybe he thought
Speaker 1: he went and took a four hour nap and everybody
Speaker 1: did too.
Speaker 4: There's no way, I mean, I don't know this, but
Speaker 4: that just doesn't really seem to make sense that senile
Speaker 4: people know how senile they are. It's like your whole
Speaker 4: thing about you know, why you shouldn't make your decisions
Speaker 4: to whether you can drive or not when you're drunk.
Speaker 4: A drunk person is not the right person to make
Speaker 4: that decision. I just I can't imagine a SEENIW person
Speaker 4: is the right person to make the decision of whether
Speaker 4: they're how seniw they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if during his cogent moments he was
Speaker 1: so hubristic he actually believed he was the only person
Speaker 1: who could defeat Trump, then yeah, he does bear some responsibility,
Speaker 1: But it's it's tough line to draw.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched Mark Alprin's.
Speaker 4: Podcast video thing he puts out everything today, but he
Speaker 4: said Democrats should investigate the cover up of Biden's health,
Speaker 4: that that would be the best thing to revitalize the party,
Speaker 4: sort of the way the Republicans went so hard at
Speaker 4: Nixon and like setting new rules in place and all
Speaker 4: kinds of different things after Watergate. The Democrats should take
Speaker 4: the lead on investigating who knew what when?
Speaker 2: And I just think there's way too many people involved.
Speaker 4: Are you going to take out the whole leadership of
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: I think he would end up splattering more people than
Speaker 1: you intended to.
Speaker 4: Although hesibility, Mark Alprin might be right that that's your
Speaker 4: only chance to rebuild.
Speaker 2: As a party.
Speaker 1: Might be that might be true. I was hoping to
Speaker 1: get to this today. We'll get to it tomorrow. Is
Speaker 1: the new abundance philosophy among Democrats? That's really they're leaning
Speaker 1: on that in the Democratic Party. Lower regulations making easier
Speaker 1: for businesses and easier for people to pursue their economics.
Speaker 1: They're becoming conservatives, so I suppose I should welcome them,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the abundance thing is interesting. I've listened to a
Speaker 4: bunch of different podcasts about that.
Speaker 2: I'll be interested to hear your opinion on it.
Speaker 4: We have a good One More Thing podcast today that
Speaker 4: we're going to records soon as the show's over. If
Speaker 4: you missed a segment ever during this program, you can
Speaker 4: look for Armstrong and Getty on demand. But the One
Speaker 4: More Thing podcast we also do. You should watch that
Speaker 4: and sometimes we curse. Yeah, yeah, there are swears. So
Speaker 4: the Muslim lunatic who flamethrower attacked Americans in Boulder, Colorado,
Speaker 4: including Jewish folks, in the name of Palestinians and Allah
Speaker 4: and god knows whatever else.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 1: I was just reading a very good, responsible sober article
Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal about how he is being
Speaker 1: charged with first degree murder even though nobody has passed.
Speaker 1: And it's funny that the obvious question is wait a minute, what,
Speaker 1: how or why, and it's not addressed at all in
Speaker 1: the article. It's It's another example of what we're always
Speaker 1: talking about. How did journalists not understand? Don't they read
Speaker 1: what they're they've written like aloud and think, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this leaves a gigantic question unanswered.
Speaker 4: Right and even on So I was watching Fox and
Speaker 4: they tried to explain it by saying, this is not
Speaker 4: an uncommon practice when the FBI writes up an indictment
Speaker 4: in other news.
Speaker 1: Well, why why nobody is dead? Nobody has been murdered.
Speaker 4: Why is it a common practice to charge someone with
Speaker 4: murder when nobody is dying.
Speaker 1: I can imagine that if somebody is a damn near death,
Speaker 1: that you'd want the paperwork in order for when God
Speaker 1: forbid they pass.
Speaker 4: But tell us that final thoughts with arm fryinging.
Speaker 1: That was somebody supposed to be Tom Brokaw was brief,
Speaker 1: but poor's funny.
Speaker 4: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. Let's get
Speaker 4: a final thought from everybody on the crew. Wouldn't that
Speaker 4: be delightful? Let's begin with our technical director.
Speaker 2: Michael Anzelo. Michael, final thought.
Speaker 1: Lots of graduations, both high school and college, and I
Speaker 1: have a story to tell on one more thing. Oh cool, yep,
Speaker 1: excellent graduating Katie Green back in the saddle again. Our
Speaker 1: esteem newswoman Katie. Final thought, and that's my final thought.
Speaker 1: It is so weird.
Speaker 2: How much better I feel now that I'm back at work.
Speaker 2: Really really Yeah.
Speaker 5: The whole week felt like I was missing something or
Speaker 5: not doing something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Routines are important. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Jack.
Speaker 2: A final thought for us.
Speaker 4: My son is a freshman. He'll graduating into sophomore dumb,
Speaker 4: I guess. But he plays in the band, so they
Speaker 4: have to play for the actual graduation of the seniors,
Speaker 4: which Joe and I both did.
Speaker 2: I think you did that, didn't you? Were you? Just
Speaker 2: all over and over? He played pumping circumstance for light lifts,
Speaker 2: played after that. They're practicing for that.
Speaker 1: My final thought is I've mentioned once or twice today
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a remodel and it's gone
Speaker 1: very sideways. They found a bunch of rotten walls we
Speaker 1: didn't expect, so here we go. Having a sense of
Speaker 1: humor about life maybe the most important thing you can
Speaker 1: ever have. That and a lot of money, but a
Speaker 1: sense of humor, I tell you what. You gotta be
Speaker 1: able to chuckle arm toughtimes will come no matter who
Speaker 1: you are and how much money you have, no doubt.
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Speaker 4: God bless America.
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