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Speaker 1: after a week hiatus, Colin Coward Podcast is back. Mike

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Speaker 1: Silver will stop by in ten minutes and he's got

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Speaker 1: all sorts of things to talk about. As we've discussed

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Speaker 1: many times, these young general managers the National Football League

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Speaker 1: are wheelers and dealers, and you're going to see March

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Speaker 1: be a bevy of trades, stars, quarterbacks, up and comers.

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Speaker 1: As sending players can't wait for it. So a couple

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Speaker 1: of things. I want to start by talking about the

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Speaker 1: pay per view event. Jake Paul, the polarizing semi boxer,

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Speaker 1: certainly working hard at being one, was going to finally

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Speaker 1: fight a real fighter. Tommy Fury now Tyson Fury, is

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Speaker 1: a two time heavyweight champ from Great Britain. Tommy Fury

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Speaker 1: is more a model who can box a little. And

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Speaker 1: so let me give you a story of years and

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Speaker 1: years and years ago. They opened up a casino in

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Speaker 1: Vegas called the Paris Right, and it was a replica

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Speaker 1: of the Eiffel Tower. And so I had a friend

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Speaker 1: who's like, hey, let's let's go to I saw it

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Speaker 1: as we flew in, but he said, let's let's go

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Speaker 1: And they've got a good restaurant inside. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, fine, and we went and I saw it,

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Speaker 1: and I was impressed, you know, by the effort. But

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Speaker 1: once you saw the replica of the Eiffel Tower, there

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Speaker 1: was really no reason to see the replica of the

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Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower for a second time, okay. And that's sort

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Speaker 1: of how I feel with Jake Paul is that I

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Speaker 1: thought the story was really fun. And as he was

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Speaker 1: knocking out football players and washed up UFC guys or

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Speaker 1: fight a real fighter, and I did, and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: a great real fighter. It was Tommy Fury, who i'd

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Speaker 1: seen two pieces of videotape of him fighting earlier, and

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Speaker 1: he was mostly awful, and he completely controlled the fight.

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Speaker 1: He was more refined, mind, more polished. He actually had

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Speaker 1: a jab. It was highly effective. He was confident. He

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Speaker 1: really controlled the fight. I had two rounds going to

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul, and one of them the final round because

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Speaker 1: he briefly knocked down Tommy Fury for about half a second.

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Speaker 1: Nobody ever really got hurt in the fight. But Tommy

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Speaker 1: Fury's not athletic enough or dynamic enough to be a

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Speaker 1: great fighter. His brother, right, is the two time champ.

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Speaker 1: Tommy's just a pedestrian athlete, good looking kid, you know,

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Speaker 1: great body, but doesn't have the power or the athleticism

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of really talented people

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Speaker 1: out their buddies shoot one under part two under part

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Speaker 1: an NFL player for years. A tough guy retires, goes

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Speaker 1: of did whatever he wanted to. He landed significantly more

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Speaker 1: player Adam Dunn. If Adam Dunn was a boxer, he

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Speaker 1: he wants. It's possible that the Packers will have their way,

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Speaker 1: but it's possible he'll have leverage. And you know, with

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Speaker 1: all of that said, the Jets make a lot of

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Speaker 1: sense to me because you know, if you're Joe Douglass

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Speaker 1: and Robert Sala at this point with a with an

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Speaker 1: impatient owner, with an owner who essentially made you change

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinators, and you hire the guy who has the

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Speaker 1: relationship with Aaron, you you had a credible draft, You've

433
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Speaker 1: got a lot of pieces around you, but you're in

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Speaker 1: a very tough division. I think a lot there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of reason where you'd say, yeah, let's do anything

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Speaker 1: again Aaron Rodgers and put him with this team in

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Speaker 1: this town. So I'll throw a wild card in. So

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Speaker 1: going back, pivoting back to my replaced Tebow with Peyton

439
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Speaker 1: Manning and you know John Elway, I was told this

440
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Speaker 1: during the entire Tebow Denver run that Elway just did

441
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Speaker 1: not buy into it at oh all. Yeah, he thought

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Speaker 1: very true. He thought it was a joke, but he

443
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Speaker 1: knew there's a strong Christian community in Denver, and you

444
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: know they'd be chanting Tebow. So John went out and said,

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Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta bring in a headline band. And

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Speaker 1: the undercard is overwhelmed, right, I mean call it. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you this. The second the Peyton Manning news broke,

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Speaker 1: I texted Stubbe, who was pretty high up in that organization,

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Speaker 1: and the reply text instant reply was bye bye Tim.

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Speaker 1: It was not yeah, we got Peyton. It was like,

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Speaker 1: we solved this problem. Even if Peyton never plays it

452
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Speaker 1: down for us. We don't have Tebow anymore. So you're

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. So let me go back to a

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Speaker 1: wild card for Aaron. AFC San Francisco's cap situation wouldn't

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Speaker 1: allow Aaron, but the AFS version of that is Miami.

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Speaker 1: And because Tua has a following and because he's been

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of bounced around between the Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: rumors and Ryan Fitzpatrick, you bring in Aaron, and Aaron

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Speaker 1: looks at that and goes, I kind of left tackle Gasecki.

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Speaker 1: Two receivers, no state tax, single guy down with the water,

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Speaker 1: and you bring in some and no dolphin fan complains

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Speaker 1: about replacing Tuah. In fact, Tua Yeah probably doesn't go.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if it's possible, but they

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of dude. That's what I just

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Speaker 1: keep thinking. San Francisco light is Miami. Yeah, I don't,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't. I don't believe the

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Speaker 1: forty NAIs couldn't do it. Cap Wise, it would change

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Speaker 1: the way they have to approach the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Cap Wise, you're still gonna pay Bosa, but you would

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Speaker 1: lose some of those guys you could. You could do it, though.

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Speaker 1: I think the problem is if you do it, but

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Speaker 1: you think you kind of caught lightning in a bottle

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Speaker 1: with party for the future you're hoping obviously the arm

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Speaker 1: made more sense to San Francisco to me, because it's

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Speaker 1: the perfect thing. We don't know what party's going to

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Speaker 1: be in twenty three, but we'll just do a year

478
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Speaker 1: of Brady and then we can go back to our

479
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Speaker 1: model with quarterback on a rookie deal and build around him.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're the Niners, you asked Brady again,

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Speaker 1: I think you let the dust settle, you know, for

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Speaker 1: a while, it just makes too much sense now, especially

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Speaker 1: party with the surgery being pushed back, which a is

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Speaker 1: kind of sign like this whole he's going to be

485
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Speaker 1: back at six months is not you know, written stone

486
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Speaker 1: be its. It does push the timeline, you know already

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Speaker 1: very very close best case scenario, and they won't know

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Speaker 1: until they get in whether they have to do you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of surgery that would probably knock about for most

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Speaker 1: or all of the year, or this one where they

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Speaker 1: think it'll be six months. And of course you never

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Speaker 1: know if it's going to be what it was before,

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Speaker 1: but you hope so so I think they call Brady

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Speaker 1: again and if not, then I you know, you think

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Speaker 1: you tell me where you think he lands. You can

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Speaker 1: do it quickly if you want, or take time. Derek Carr,

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Speaker 1: that's a good one. You know. I want to say

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Speaker 1: Jets right away, but then I'm kind of thick an Aaron,

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Speaker 1: and the Jets makes some sense. Um, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: ask me. So how about Dave, David Tepper, Frank Reich,

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Speaker 1: Bad Division. Yeah, I'm thinking Jimmy goes there. So I

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Speaker 1: would say Carolina for Derek Card It's a great call,

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00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna save it for Jimmy. How about Houston.

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Speaker 1: You've got the car full circle situation there. Just throw it,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's throw it out there, all right. If

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Speaker 1: you think Garoppolo is in Carolina, let me throw out

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Speaker 1: the most enigmatic bizarre situation. Lamar Jackson, who's won seventy

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Speaker 1: four percent of his games in a division now where

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett looks semi viable, won seven of his last

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Speaker 1: nine games that he played in substantial snaps. Burrows second

548
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Speaker 1: third best quarterback in the league. Deshaun Watson should be

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Speaker 1: at least you know, he's talented. Where's Lamar Jackson gonna

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Speaker 1: end up? Weird man? Yeah and yeah, I immediately start

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Speaker 1: thinking about Miami and Lamar, you know, hometown and the

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Speaker 1: two kind of elephant of the room with the concussions,

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Speaker 1: and you know what Mike McDaniel, who's a genius, especially

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Speaker 1: in the running game, but you know, really great at

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Speaker 1: you know, coming up with game plans and call it plays.

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Speaker 1: What could you do with Lamar? And they've already done

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Greg Roman has done some great things with them.

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Speaker 1: But um, you know, I wonder about things like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, probably he'll get tagged probably he'll be gone

560
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Speaker 1: for part of the off season program and then he'll

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Speaker 1: just come sign the tag and play a year, is

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Speaker 1: my guests, But um, you know that could go a

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Speaker 1: lot of different ways. Let's say Miami, all right, so

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Speaker 1: lamar Miami. You sound like you have car going to

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Speaker 1: the Jets. Um, my guests, No, no, I have I

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Speaker 1: have Rogers. Okay, Roger for the Jets. Derek Carrware. We

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Speaker 1: said Houston, but now I'm starting to rethink this, But

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Speaker 1: don't you think Houston's got to step up and do

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Speaker 1: something to signal to their fan base after all this crap,

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Speaker 1: the Easter b and the end of the Watson era

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Speaker 1: and firing two coaches, three coaches in a row, two

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Speaker 1: after one year, and Davis Webb is going to be

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Speaker 1: the excuse me, Davis Webb now the quarterbacks coach of

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Speaker 1: the Broncos. Very happy for Davis Mills is going to

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Speaker 1: be the guy, which is kind of like, really, I

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Speaker 1: feel like, if you're the Texans, you better do something now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just Rice Young and away way we go, right,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. I feel like I also think

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Speaker 1: the Titans are in this conversation somehow, and I've tried

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Speaker 1: to wrap my head around Derek Carron, Mike Vrabel a

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Speaker 1: great fit. Maybe not, but I think teams like the

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Speaker 1: Titans are poking around there too. As much as I

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Speaker 1: love the NFL, I scaled back on covering the combine

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Speaker 1: about four years ago. I just didn't think. I've always

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Speaker 1: said that the NFL, I talk about sixty five, I

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Speaker 1: don't watch the Pro Bowl, and increasingly I think the

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Speaker 1: combines a little bit of a time waster. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it has the influence. So when Matt Lafleur announces

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Speaker 1: we're just not taking our coaches to it, and you're

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Speaker 1: getting some pushback where you know, people are saying it's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of an uncomfortable meat market, I think

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Speaker 1: we've overvalued the combine. I really do. I honestly, if

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Speaker 1: I have four years of game tape, the idea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're going to come in finally tuned, you're basically what

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Speaker 1: you're basically doing. It's it's like an SAT you're just

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Speaker 1: studying for a singular test. It doesn't mean you're brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Some people are just really good test takers. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's not a very good place for the player

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Speaker 1: who already is being told where he has to play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I'm very like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm the son of union side labor lawyers, so forgive me,

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Speaker 1: Like I think this notion that they they'll do anything.

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Speaker 1: You know. My favorite combined story is when Dion tells

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Speaker 1: the story where some team the Giants wanted him to

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Speaker 1: take like this you know, three hour personality test that

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Speaker 1: they give, and he looked at them and he said,

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Speaker 1: where do you guys pick? And they were like ten,

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Speaker 1: and he goes, I'll be gone by that. It just

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Speaker 1: walked out. You know, very two players have the ability

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Speaker 1: to trade it that way. But I never went to

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Speaker 1: the combat when I was at Sports Illustrated all those

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Speaker 1: years because I it did seem like a meat market,

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Speaker 1: gross weird thing to me. I just and I agree,

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Speaker 1: it's outside them portant. So then I finally started going

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Speaker 1: when I went to Yahoo and Oh seven and I realized, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's spring break for coaches and talent evaluators, so the

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Speaker 1: access is incredible. So I kind of, you know, I

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Speaker 1: marginalized the combining part of it, and you could see

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Speaker 1: that on TV if you want. But like I'm there

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Speaker 1: to you know, be in the same bars and restaurants,

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Speaker 1: hotels with all the people I cover and people I

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Speaker 1: want to meet, and we're new acquaintances with and you know,

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Speaker 1: that's why I go. But I can understand how coaches

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Speaker 1: would at some point think we're not necessarily getting great

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Speaker 1: work done. It's great the gms are meet with agents,

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Speaker 1: meet with each other, laying the foundation for trades and moves,

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Speaker 1: and obviously talent evaluators like to talk to these guys

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Speaker 1: and all that. I do think you need a reward,

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Speaker 1: the coaches and the scouts and as such, because we

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Speaker 1: live in this world where it's so serious all the time.

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Speaker 1: And even the Super Bowl, you know, it's not like

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, there was some great outlet for him that night.

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Speaker 1: He got to celebrate. You know, I was there at

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Speaker 1: the Chief's victory party. But like, I feel like we

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Speaker 1: need a week where we could all just you know,

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Speaker 1: like pass each other on the street. When McVeigh, who

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Speaker 1: kind of was the pioneer of this newest movement, when

638
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Speaker 1: McVeigh decided, you know, I don't want to go to combine.

639
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Speaker 1: I've got new coaches. I'd rather but work. And then

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Speaker 1: last year, after he won the Super Bowl, and the

641
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Speaker 1: Combine was back. They decided not to go, and I

642
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: remember saying to Sean, I'd go, dude, isn't the whole

643
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: point of winning the Super Bowl getting to like strut

644
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Speaker 1: around Indy first seven days that have everyone come up

645
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Speaker 1: to you and be like, hey, guys, you know that's awesome.

646
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, the to me has a

647
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Speaker 1: lot of value that transcends the stupid reason for existence.

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Speaker 1: And I also would say this because I've been on

649
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Speaker 1: all sides as a media member before and after I

650
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: worked in NFL network. You have zero access at the Combine.

651
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: They let fans, you know, go sit in you're watching TV.

652
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: It's insane. Now, when I was an NFL network for

653
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Speaker 1: eight years, I had full access and I could go

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Speaker 1: to everybody's suite and see coaches at gms. It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: But now that I no longer have that and back

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Speaker 1: to the way it was, I wouldn't like, I guess

657
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: you could go do group interviews with some of these guys.

658
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: It was interesting when it was like Matt Titano, you know,

659
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Speaker 1: or certain polarizing people, but for the most part, like

660
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: it's a TV show, so just you know, I don't

661
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: think I think it fuels the overall I ridiculous lee

662
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: high emphasis on the draft that's transformative when it really

663
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: often isn't transformative. And you know, you've got a fifty

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Speaker 1: percent hit rate essentially in the first round even and

665
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Speaker 1: yet we operate in this realm where a you know,

666
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Speaker 1: the thirteenth overall pick is so sacred. And that's why

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00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed seeing teams like the Rams just go, you

668
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: know what, screw that, We're gonna go get a guy.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned there's a new wave of gms and

670
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: they're trading and they're getting after it, and that's all good.

671
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: And the draft can be transformative if you draft Peyton Manning.

672
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Speaker 1: But you know, one pick later, the Chargers took Ryan

673
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Speaker 1: Leaf and by the way, I love Ryan saw it

674
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, incredible story, doing great, But that was

675
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: transformative at the time too, and not the transformation the

676
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: Chargers were looking for, right, Mike Silver at the volume

677
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: and this is in about what is it March fifteenth

678
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: is when it really ramps up. So we got about

679
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: two and a half weeks and it really really ramps

680
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: up now just because March fifteenth, you can, I guess

681
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Speaker 1: officially start talking, but our teams for the next two

682
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: weeks talking. Yeah, of course, it's weird. Like there used

683
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Speaker 1: to just be like, okay, ready to set go go,

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00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: and then it would be like, hey, i made my

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Speaker 1: decision at twelve oh one, I've considered all my options carefully.

686
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: I've had my agent call that team and we hammered

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Speaker 1: out a deal. So like that's felt weird. So then

688
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, five five five, it's ready to set go.

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Speaker 1: But for forty eight hours before that, we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: legal tampering where you can talk but you can't technically agree. Well,

691
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: we know what that means. People are agree and so

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00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: I mean whatever, of course people are going to talk.

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Speaker 1: And the combine's a convenient place for you know, if

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Speaker 1: a GM's meeting with an agent at the combine and

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Speaker 1: the agent's got a couple of players on that GMS team, like, oh,

696
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: what were you meeting about? Oh, we were just meeting

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00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, the two clients that agent

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00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: has on our team, even though you could be talking

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00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: about prospective other people that the agent represents. So it's

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Speaker 1: you know, none of it bugs me that much. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think I just don't even believe in tampering, like,

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00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: go ahead and tamper. Look at the NSA by the way,

703
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: like that's that's real tampering about and to the player's benefit.

704
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: But you know, go ahead and tamper, Like if you

705
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: can convince Aaron Rodd, if you know, you could convince

706
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: George Kittle. He hasn't want to play for Kyle Shanahan anymore.

707
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: He wants to demand a trade to the Titans and

708
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: be part of Mike Rabel's team. If you can pull

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00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: that off and get that to happen and actually get

710
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: them traded to your team, cool, go ahead, Like tampering

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00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: is weird, Like they're not possessions, They're just dude who

712
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: play for you for money. Yeah, so I believe, like

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Speaker 1: go ahead, just you know, like we live in this

714
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: weird world where like you can't tamper, havn't forbid, it's

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00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: bad form. If you sign a guy off someone else's

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Speaker 1: practice squad, the GM might get mad at like whatever. Band.

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00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: Just everyone's trying to win the Super Bowl. Like if

718
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: you could get someone to sign with you or by

719
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: giving them more money, there's a salary cat I say,

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00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: just turn it loose and then have a day when

721
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Speaker 1: the transactions started. I didn't ask you this, but it

722
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: is something I've thought about. So as justin fields, it's

723
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: hard to lose ten games in a row in the NFL.

724
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Houston took the Chiefs to overtime, okay, and

725
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: they're in a complete utter rebuilt. So when the Bears

726
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: lose ten straight, of which I think, justin fields played

727
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: in eight and two years in, not a ton of improvement.

728
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: And this GM and this coach didn't draft him, and

729
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: there have been flashes of brilliance, but two years in

730
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: he's completing not enough throws, not a ton of growth.

731
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Speaker 1: And John Middlcoff said something as a former scout the

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00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: other day on the volume, and he said, if you

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Speaker 1: have Bryce Young graded higher than him, we'll reset the clock,

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Speaker 1: then go draft Bryce Young. It's like Kyler and Josh Rosen. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I covered the opener. By the way, at Soldier Field,

736
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Speaker 1: the Bears beat the Nighters. So that made a lot

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00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: of sense, you know, down the road. You know, I

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Speaker 1: just think we have to be careful, like we know

739
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: what you think. But I guess I need to do

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Speaker 1: a little reporting, hopefully in Indy about what the Bears

741
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: think because um, we think we thought in mid November

742
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: that quarterback class sucked, but Justin Fields is the shining

743
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: star of it. And then Trevor Lawrence elevated, you know

744
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: from that point on, and now we would say, Okay,

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00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is the guy in that class. You know,

746
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: we haven't seen Lance Essentially, Za Wilson's a bust. Yeah,

747
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: you know Mac Jones, Mak Wilson's a bus. Mac Jones

748
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: is Okay, Davis Mills, you know, maybe we'll see Kyle

749
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Speaker 1: Trask Um Kellen Mon's already on new team. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's um. So I would be curious to see

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Speaker 1: what the Bears think because I think the kids like

752
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: insanely talented, and when there's the same talent, I'm always

753
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Speaker 1: on the side of figuring out Man the Bills, Josh

754
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: Allen said, And you know what, they got Brian Dave

755
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: Ball and they figured it out. Steve Young was I mean,

756
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: I covered Steve Young back in eighty nine, two and

757
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: forty nine or fans were up in arms and he

758
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: can't read defense is all he does is run around,

759
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, figure it out. You know that

760
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan game him and he was throwing six touchdowns

761
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl, and uh, he's a first ballot

762
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. So I feel like my view is,

763
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: see if you can make that killer. And you know,

764
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: Bryce Young's kind of a smaller guy. It's not like

765
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: it's like Peyton Manning's sitting there. You know, it's ah,

766
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, Kyler's smaller guy has obviously proven to be

767
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: better than Josh Rosen. But I agree with that philosophically.

768
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: I just don't know what the Bears really think of

769
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: Justin Fields and those quarterbacks in the draft, but it's

770
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: but it's a fair way to think. Yeah, I think

771
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: works in Justin Field's favor. He's a big, strong athlete.

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00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: Bryce is smaller, and historically Northern teams that play outside Flacco,

773
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: Big Ben, even Jay Cutler's arm, you want a strong

774
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: arm quarterback Stafford to throw that ball cuts through a

775
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: Chicago Green Bay winter and r and Bryce Young's a

776
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: California kid, one hundred eighty eight pounds. He doesn't look

777
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: like you'd want. You want your Bear quarterback to throw

778
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: like Cutler or look like McMahon or Justin Fields. Seriously, Yeah,

779
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: and and look I one of my favorite moments of

780
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: the season is that clip where Mike McDaniel says, stop it.

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00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: You know what, Justin Fields says, run for another long

782
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: game right by his sideline and he's just gonna stop it.

783
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: Like it's still moralizing. And you know, he's a he's

784
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: an insanely good runner, you know, Like there's a lot

785
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: of good running quarterbacks. Josh Allen's really good. Lamar is amazing,

786
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: but this guy's, you know, got a different gear and

787
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: he's a good thrower and he's intelligent. He has some

788
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: bad habits in college. He's lost a lot of games.

789
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: They didn't have a lot around him. But if you

790
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: if you're smart and you have a good arm, and

791
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: you're that talented at one thing, I would love to

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00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: see that. I'm trying to make it work. Yeah, I'm

793
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: still kind of a sixty forty. It's gonna work. I

794
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: do think they need to chase Claypool and Mooney. I

795
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 1: think they need another receiver, and I think they'll double

796
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: down on their interior old line a little bit. But yeah,

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00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: I mean, he's what you worry about is that. And

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00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: Cam Newton had some of this, Zach Wilson had some

799
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: of this, and so did Sam Darnold, where their YouTube

800
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks you see these unbelod lievable glimpses of brilliance and

801
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: then it's like Sam Darnold passer ratings eighty one, right,

802
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: like like and and well, well, Cam, well Cam was

803
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: different than that. Yeah, Cam beaten down. He was stamp right,

804
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, went to the super Bowl. But he was

805
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: If you watched a Carolina game, a four game stretch,

806
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: you got variations of Cam. You got bad mechanics, moody,

807
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, missing McCaffrey in the flat by eight yards.

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00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: Cam was like young Ben. You know, Ben was kind

809
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: of like that, I'll just extend to play and I'm

810
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: big and strong and guys will bounce off me and

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll find a way and uh yeah, and

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00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: and honestly, Josh Allen started out, Yes, it was they

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00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: weren't very good, and he was like, I'm big and strong,

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00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: you know. By the way, Josh Allen still got another

815
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: level to get through. I mean he's he's a great player.

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00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: I think Borrow and Patrick Gard Oh no, Josh. Josh

817
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: has some YouTube qualities where if you put his six

818
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: best plays of the game up, it's the most amazing

819
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: stuff you've ever seen. But you watch entire Bills games,

820
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: he makes them really especially in like the red zone.

821
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: He makes bad decisions a lot. And part of that,

822
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: in fairness, is they've put a lot on him. Obviously,

823
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: getting Diggs was a game changer, but you know they

824
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: have not had that. You know, they haven't had anyone

825
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: as good as Joe Mixon. You know they haven't had

826
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Speaker 1: you know, they haven't had the speed right of Tyreek

827
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: kill style. So you know it's never perfect. But I

828
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Speaker 1: would like to see a you know a little bit

829
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: more potency in that Bill's running game. You can't have everything.

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00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: I also would have loved to see the Bills down

831
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: the stretch with a healthy von Miller because they got

832
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: him for a reason, and then you know, when you

833
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: didn't have him, that was a big Mike Silver, my man,

834
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: great talk in NFL. Going to be a busy next

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Speaker 1: six weeks. It starts in about two weeks NFL free

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Speaker 1: agency mid March. Good good seeing you, Thanks and we'll

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Speaker 1: download The Draymond Green Show wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: only on the Volume podcast Network.