Speaker 1: Campsite Media. Do you know where the name Project Mygale? Like,
Speaker 1: could you say what it means? That means tarantula? Right.
Speaker 1: That's Michelle, my editor, and we're sitting down at a
Speaker 1: dinner table with Italian sandwiches, soda cans, and this guy
Speaker 1: this question. He's an investigator, a retired cop of forty
Speaker 1: years who worked on an undercover sting operation called Project
Speaker 1: my Gal. He asked to be anonymous, so we're disguising
Speaker 1: his voice with a filter. So my Gal refers to
Speaker 1: a family of spiders that build trap doors. Did you
Speaker 1: ever see on like the National Geographic Channel, spiders that
Speaker 1: make little holes in the ground and then above them
Speaker 1: they weave little sticks and grass together and literally make
Speaker 1: a trap door, and they wait for a bug to
Speaker 1: come on and wham, they fucking nail it. When Project
Speaker 1: Miguel got started in routine, it was one of the
Speaker 1: biggest cross border police operations in US Canadian history. It
Speaker 1: employed hundreds of officers and several law enforcement agencies, including
Speaker 1: the d e A and Homeland Security. The operation targeted
Speaker 1: cartel runners, money launders, and narcotics traffickers on both sides
Speaker 1: of the Atlantic Ocean. Duffel bags of cash, zip blos
Speaker 1: full of hills and bricks of cocaine. Classic bad guy stuff,
Speaker 1: My gal, I guess we could say it was a
Speaker 1: trap door that bag I just walked Then what would
Speaker 1: you say? That trapdoor was of easy money and these
Speaker 1: people would just go down that hole. And one of
Speaker 1: the people who walked right into that trap was an
Speaker 1: enterprising businessman named Derek White Card A Little Amazing Love
Speaker 1: It Yeah from Camps Media and Dan Patrick Productions. I'm
Speaker 1: Roger Gola and this is Running Smoke, Episode two, The Trapdoor.
Speaker 1: When Derek made a deal to take raw tobacco as
Speaker 1: payment for renting out as race cars, it turned out
Speaker 1: to be much more than a simple business transaction. Derek
Speaker 1: had unknowingly stepped right into a gigantic undercover police operation
Speaker 1: that had been building for months. Police sketched a profile
Speaker 1: of Derek as a major figure in the criminal organization.
Speaker 1: But from what I could tell, all he was doing
Speaker 1: was buying and selling raw tobacco on his mohawk territory.
Speaker 1: So you're probably wondering, how the hell did that make
Speaker 1: him a criminal? Isn't tobacco legal? Answering that question turned
Speaker 1: out to be more difficult than I anticipated. The problem
Speaker 1: was every time we reached out to a law enforcement agency,
Speaker 1: they told us they couldn't comment on an open case.
Speaker 1: But after months of calling around, we did find someone
Speaker 1: who would speak to us, A retired police officer who
Speaker 1: helped investigate the case against Derek, the same investigator you
Speaker 1: heard earlier through a voice changer. His name was never
Speaker 1: revealed in the court proceedings or media reports around Project Miguel,
Speaker 1: so he asked that we don't reveal his name either,
Speaker 1: so we'll call him Jimmy. When I started doing this,
Speaker 1: I had this have somebody explained to me what a
Speaker 1: list of tobacco was, and I guess after ten years
Speaker 1: of doing this, they become a subject matter expertal and
Speaker 1: basically all I focused on was contraband tobacco between the
Speaker 1: States and Canada, specifically how New York plays into it. Now,
Speaker 1: on its face, the phrase contraband tobacco doesn't make a
Speaker 1: whole lot of sense, because, well, tobacco is legal just
Speaker 1: about everywhere in the world. But the difference between regular
Speaker 1: legal tobacco and illicit or contraband tobacco comes down to taxes.
Speaker 1: Almost every government in the world taxes tobacco. So someone
Speaker 1: manages to sneak tobacco into a country without paying those taxes, Well,
Speaker 1: now that's considered contraband, which comes with the criminal charge
Speaker 1: of defrauding the government. Jimmy has been working as a
Speaker 1: cop since he was nineteen, but after he retired about
Speaker 1: ten years ago, he started working on contraband tobacco investigations
Speaker 1: for different law enforcement agencies. He was eager to peel
Speaker 1: back the curtain on an issue that not a whole
Speaker 1: lot of people understand. He had packs of smuggled cigarettes
Speaker 1: and stacks of printed documents laid out on his dinner
Speaker 1: table for me to flip through. He'd also been up
Speaker 1: late the previous night working on a power point presentation
Speaker 1: just for us. The numbers that all get into here
Speaker 1: with you are just staggering, just staggering, the billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to know is one pound of tobacco,
Speaker 1: one pound of royal leaf process tobacco, or what I
Speaker 1: call cut rag. You could fit one pound of cut
Speaker 1: rag tobacco approximately in a one gallon zip block back
Speaker 1: no plugment for zip block, zip block the bag for smugglers,
Speaker 1: and the choice of smugglers around the world. Black please
Speaker 1: sponsor s okay. So one pound of tobacco makes five
Speaker 1: hundred cigarettes or roughly two and a half corns. A
Speaker 1: tractor trailer holds thirty four thousand pounds of cut rack tobacco.
Speaker 1: So here's the problem for Canada. Thirty four thousand pounds
Speaker 1: of cut rag times five hundred cigarettes per pound. If
Speaker 1: you run all the numbers, what you come out with
Speaker 1: is that a single tractor trailer of contraband tobacco that
Speaker 1: illegally crosses the Canadian border comes out two around seven
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars innovated taxes, and those trucks
Speaker 1: cross every day. It was a massive logistical accomplishment. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can organize a coffee and donut run without an
Speaker 1: argument for ten minutes. These people are doing international money laundering.
Speaker 1: They're they're transporting contraband for thousands of miles. Tobacco brought
Speaker 1: a lot of different groups together. The project my Gal
Speaker 1: exposed that if you want to bring tobacco attractor trailers
Speaker 1: worth up into your facility, you need an organized network
Speaker 1: to do that. Who better than organized crime. Tobacco is
Speaker 1: a commodity for organized crime. Whenever they could make money
Speaker 1: off of their going to exploit it's funding their other businesses.
Speaker 1: They used to use cash to fund their drug businesses,
Speaker 1: They used to use cash to fund their human trafficking business,
Speaker 1: to fund their their gun business. Elicit tobacco has become
Speaker 1: the new currency for organized crime. They use cigarettes and
Speaker 1: it makes my skin crawl. And the thing about organized
Speaker 1: crime is that it needs someone at the top to
Speaker 1: or nize the crime. In this case, investigators had their
Speaker 1: eyes on a man named Sylvan et Tier by Day.
Speaker 1: Etia was the owner and operator of a prohibition themed
Speaker 1: bar in Montreal's suburbs called Well Prohibition by Night. Though
Speaker 1: he was an alleged associate of the Hell's Angels, managing
Speaker 1: tobacco transport and money movement among various criminal organizations. Sylvan
Speaker 1: Sylvain's function was he was the sort of the the frontman,
Speaker 1: if you will, for for the organized crime slash Hell's
Speaker 1: Angels organization that was running these operations, or I should
Speaker 1: say that was profiting from these operations. Sylvan's operation worked
Speaker 1: like this. First, he would have his guy's wire money
Speaker 1: to a broker in North Carolina to purchase a load
Speaker 1: of tobacco attractor trailer's worth, which would run you about
Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars. Then Sylvan's guys would arrange for drivers
Speaker 1: to go pick up the tobacco with a semi truck.
Speaker 1: Under Cover police would be staked out at the North
Speaker 1: Carolina warehouse, writing down license plate numbers of suspicious trucks
Speaker 1: and sending them to colleagues at the border, But the
Speaker 1: smugglers were one step ahead. The drivers would stop and
Speaker 1: we're in Jersey or New York, unload their tobacco and
Speaker 1: swap trailers to throw cops off the trail. Then they
Speaker 1: would drive on up to the border. This was the
Speaker 1: most policed part of the tobacco route. Customs agents from
Speaker 1: both countries would be watching every vehicle going across that line,
Speaker 1: and they were trained to spot illegal shipments. If the
Speaker 1: cops were gonna nab one of sylvan etsgates trucks, this
Speaker 1: is where it would happen. They will take those tractor
Speaker 1: trailers in regular commerce and drive into a regular border,
Speaker 1: crossing like you or I could cross, like tractor trailers
Speaker 1: cross each and every single day, and it's welcome to candidly,
Speaker 1: what do you have in your truck at that point.
Speaker 1: The driver will show the border agent paperwork that documents
Speaker 1: what the truck is caring, except that paperwork doesn't say tobacco.
Speaker 1: It's false, but from legitimate companies like Thomasville Furniture. Everybody
Speaker 1: knows Thomasville. So the Canadian border service guy looks at
Speaker 1: that paperwork and sees Thomasville. Well, hey, it's a legitimate load,
Speaker 1: and he'll let them go through. And some of it
Speaker 1: was pretty ingenious, but some of it was pretty stupid too.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we've also seen idiots. We're on the bill of lading.
Speaker 1: They put sawdust. Sawdust going into Canada, the number one
Speaker 1: producer of lumber in the entire world. You think they
Speaker 1: got to import fucking sawdust. Groundballs like that were easy
Speaker 1: to catch for border agents. But truth be told, a
Speaker 1: lot of trucks full of illicit goods across that checkpoint
Speaker 1: every single day with no problem. You have to remember
Speaker 1: these are busy international borders. Agents can't open up and
Speaker 1: search every single semi truck that comes through, or the
Speaker 1: line would be backed up all the way down to Florida.
Speaker 1: So more often than not, so then it's eight trucks
Speaker 1: got into Canada without a hitch from there it was
Speaker 1: smooth sail in the Silvan's warehouse on the outskirts of Montreal.
Speaker 1: According to Jimmy, this is where the Hell's Angels come in.
Speaker 1: Now it gets to these warehouses where literally you now
Speaker 1: have millions of dollars worth of cut rag tobacco store
Speaker 1: in your facility. Bad guys steal from bad guys all
Speaker 1: the time. That's where God invent the guns. You need security. Oh,
Speaker 1: you can't call up the local police and ask them
Speaker 1: to guards of contraband, not, can't you? And that was
Speaker 1: the talian with organized crime and Hell's Angels. So the
Speaker 1: current rate is about six fifty to sixty thou dollars
Speaker 1: to both smuggle attractor trailer load up into Canada and
Speaker 1: to guard it until it's done. And that number is
Speaker 1: the cut that the Hell's Angels and truck drivers would
Speaker 1: get for both the smuggling and storage, so it'll be
Speaker 1: like a smuggling fee of transportation fee. You break it
Speaker 1: up how you want. It cost sixty dollars to get
Speaker 1: the stuff from North Carolina into Counda's safely and securely,
Speaker 1: so it's quite profitable just for the muscle on the street.
Speaker 1: Solvan's operation was massive. It involves brokers, money, launders, outlaw bikers,
Speaker 1: and truck drivers in two different countries. He got in
Speaker 1: the entire supply chain down to his science, and the
Speaker 1: folks involved were making money hand over fist. But as
Speaker 1: the organization got bigger, it also became more vulnerable. When
Speaker 1: you have an operation the size and scope of Mygale,
Speaker 1: with so many loads of cut rag moving back and forth,
Speaker 1: it is inevitable that one of those loads is going
Speaker 1: to get picked off by Canadian Border Services, or a
Speaker 1: tractor trailer is going to have an accident and the
Speaker 1: back's gonna open up and tobacco is gonna spread out everywhere.
Speaker 1: Stuff is gonna happen. Flukes and freak accidents were one thing.
Speaker 1: What Stivan was really worried about, though, was being infiltrated
Speaker 1: by cops. When you have cases of this scope and
Speaker 1: you have players from warehouse employees to forklift drivers, to brokers,
Speaker 1: to bankers, to truck drivers, to sled operators to boat operators,
Speaker 1: you have a great opportunity to insert and undercover coming
Speaker 1: up after the break. You saw me declared to that
Speaker 1: you just wanting that we will get is the truth
Speaker 1: and nothing but the truth I do. I do. The
Speaker 1: tape you're hearing, we got it from the Montreal courthouse
Speaker 1: after months of waiting through forums and files. It's a
Speaker 1: recording of a testimony from one of Sylvan's key collaborators,
Speaker 1: a convicted money launderer named Martin Grennier. He was an
Speaker 1: asset for a guy like Sylvan because he had a
Speaker 1: skill set that was central to any smuggling operation, money
Speaker 1: laundering and transport. So this is a message I received
Speaker 1: from its He he's asking me if I know well
Speaker 1: the driver of the truck that brings the tobacco from
Speaker 1: the US to Canada, the transfer I was able to
Speaker 1: move money to UH to outside of Canada, the the
Speaker 1: the contact and I also had contacts in the transport
Speaker 1: world for bouge in order to remove some tobacco. He
Speaker 1: was put in charge of running the nuts and bolts
Speaker 1: of the smuggling operation and making sure things went smoothly.
Speaker 1: Here he is telling the court about a time that
Speaker 1: Sylvan centem a text asking if he knew why cops
Speaker 1: were sniffing around the warehouse. The reason he gives me
Speaker 1: is that after we went to pick up a load
Speaker 1: of tobacco in Buffalo, three or four weeks after the
Speaker 1: police went there because then the libor, so the police
Speaker 1: went there to verify everything. And then he tells me
Speaker 1: also that after we dropped the load of tobacco at
Speaker 1: Saint me there was four cars watching or following the
Speaker 1: dirt truck. That dirt truck that pick up the tobacco,
Speaker 1: saying to me and to bring it to another destination.
Speaker 1: Police were swarming at the DRA applications and tailing his trucks,
Speaker 1: and he was starting to get nervous. Et A wanted
Speaker 1: to know if the drivers could be working with the cops.
Speaker 1: Grant told him not to worry. His guys were legit batties.
Speaker 1: They were experienced narcotic smugglers. And so when when he
Speaker 1: says that, how do you answer him? So I'm telling him,
Speaker 1: I don't think the proble limids coming from us, because
Speaker 1: my driver is also crossing white referring to cocaine. So
Speaker 1: I don't guarantee you that he's not hot, mean that
Speaker 1: he doesn't have police following him. But I confirmed to
Speaker 1: him that my driver is sitting down at his house,
Speaker 1: so there's no problem from my side. But all of
Speaker 1: that was a lie because the man still then et
Speaker 1: C was texting was a double agent. Martin Grenier had
Speaker 1: been working with the cops for years, feeding information back
Speaker 1: to his handlers on every single money transfer and tobacco shipment.
Speaker 1: Oh and the drivers that Sylvan was worried about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were undercover officers too. Do you know who did
Speaker 1: the transporting for you? Yeah? HSI don't tell. So it
Speaker 1: was HSI um so undercover agents working honor and security
Speaker 1: in the United States. What my gal offered was a
Speaker 1: very unique opportunity to insert undercover agents anywhere along the line,
Speaker 1: from the truck driver to a warehouse operator. It was
Speaker 1: a very complete and complex operation. Tell me about how
Speaker 1: you place undercover officers in key positions in this trade.
Speaker 1: You need an informant, You need an inform at the
Speaker 1: vouch for you. You need an informant to say, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy is buying from you, or this guy is
Speaker 1: looking for a new whatever, and it's an introduction. Fortunately
Speaker 1: for investigators, they had the perfect person for the job,
Speaker 1: Martin Grenier. You got arrested in the United States for
Speaker 1: money laundry, Is that right, Okay? And it was. It
Speaker 1: was as a result of that arrest for money laundering
Speaker 1: in the us that you started to work for the police.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Okay, yes, all right, so can you
Speaker 1: tell us day? Long story short. He worked with criminal
Speaker 1: organizations for years until he was arrested in twenty twelve
Speaker 1: on money laundering charges. Not long after that he made
Speaker 1: a deal with the d e A and the Quebec
Speaker 1: Police Force. We're unclear on the exact terms of that deal,
Speaker 1: but beginning in Martin Grenier was back on the street
Speaker 1: and put word out that he wanted to work with
Speaker 1: his old boss again. And how do you know, Mr
Speaker 1: at Enormous. I know him for having done some criminal
Speaker 1: activities for him over two periods. Back in the day,
Speaker 1: Grenier had been part of Savant Ettier's crew, and after
Speaker 1: his arrest, he managed to rejoin the group. For years,
Speaker 1: Grenier worked as a double agent, managing the legist six
Speaker 1: of Besier's tobacco business and feeding all that information back
Speaker 1: to the cops. Grenier was particularly well placed to get
Speaker 1: high level intel on all the wire transfers and semi trucks,
Speaker 1: and when an order came in for a load of
Speaker 1: tobacco heading to a Native territory on the south shore
Speaker 1: of Montreal, Grenier got a message directly from sylvan Etta.
Speaker 1: I received a message from Chia attended to nine. He
Speaker 1: was asking me if I know someone buy a class
Speaker 1: bar the same good transport I from Sarah. Why they
Speaker 1: y house is to the client client being an individual
Speaker 1: on an engine reservation. When you said the um, you
Speaker 1: had mentioned where the client was located? Sorry, where was
Speaker 1: the client located? Don't so like a yeah, on an
Speaker 1: engine reservation on the south shore. Did you know exactly where? No?
Speaker 1: Did you know the name of the reservation. So during
Speaker 1: a meeting face to face with you, we talked about
Speaker 1: the kawanaki A Reserve and from stage left from the
Speaker 1: Gnawaga Reserve enters Derek White will be right back. What
Speaker 1: debut dis invades you? So at the beginning, who are
Speaker 1: investigating the organization? What you're hearing is court testimony from
Speaker 1: a Canadian border officer who worked on Project My Gael.
Speaker 1: Somehows combed a little bit later on on the during
Speaker 1: the investigation, we can to realize that Mr right On
Speaker 1: is on organization. Also, as it so happened, Paul John,
Speaker 1: the driver that offered Derek Tobacco in exchange for renting
Speaker 1: his race car, well he turned out to be a
Speaker 1: close associate Sylvan Etier, So when Derek made a deal
Speaker 1: with Paul Jean for raw tobacco, it meant he was
Speaker 1: now doing business with Sylvan Ettier's organization. Now, to be clear,
Speaker 1: Paul Jean was never a Hell's Angel or associated with
Speaker 1: them in any way, and he denies having any knowledge
Speaker 1: of Silvan's associations with any criminal organizations. But the fact
Speaker 1: is that because Sylvan was already under heavy surveillance, Paul
Speaker 1: Jean unknowingly wrote Derek into the traps set by law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Derek wasn't the intended target, but now he was impossible
Speaker 1: to ignore, and according to Jimmy, he played a vital
Speaker 1: role in the larger operation that Sylvan was running. White's
Speaker 1: role in this was he was making money and he
Speaker 1: was using, in my opinion on what it appears, his
Speaker 1: native status as sort of like let's run it through me.
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to touch the tobacco on the Indian Reservation.
Speaker 1: A to some extent, He's right, more or less police
Speaker 1: won't go on the Indian reservation certainly and offered tobacco.
Speaker 1: So it's sort of having somebody like White afforded that
Speaker 1: like home plate, like just get it here and we'll
Speaker 1: be safe. Derek was now caught up in the massive
Speaker 1: surveillance operation that had been wired, tapping and tailing Etta's
Speaker 1: crew for months. His text and phone calls were intercepted
Speaker 1: and disseminated to investigators. So the first communication four old
Speaker 1: tweet Mr Derrick White, Texas Mr Samuel Baker sur Baker.
Speaker 1: Mr White, Hey buddy period, which White replies the letter
Speaker 1: k at eight a m. From Mr Jason Hill. Let's
Speaker 1: hear the phone call. These one thirty three in transcripted
Speaker 1: might have camera though fight your fight a remadurant teeth.
Speaker 1: The truck broke down hopefully Tuesday or Wednesday. Attack to
Speaker 1: be legal. These are text messages between Mr Derrick White
Speaker 1: and Samuel Make need the tires. I'll send sponsorship a
Speaker 1: am Monday work question mark. Yeah. That last message might
Speaker 1: sound unrelated and innocuus on its face. Derek is a
Speaker 1: race car driver. Of course he's buying tires and looking
Speaker 1: for sponsors. But investigators already knew who Mr sam Baker
Speaker 1: was one of North Carolina's biggest illicit tobacco brokers. He
Speaker 1: was the guy buying tobacco from growers and processors. In
Speaker 1: the States and selling it to buyers in Canada or
Speaker 1: in Mohawk territories. Derek was using code words to speak
Speaker 1: with Sam Baker, and over the course of the investigation,
Speaker 1: Derek had sent him over two million dollars with memo
Speaker 1: lines like racing expenses and NASCAR parts. Derek wasn't just
Speaker 1: a small player in a tas game anymore. He was
Speaker 1: running his own operation wet Phy. So at the beginning
Speaker 1: he was doing business with the organization Little One. And
Speaker 1: in October twenty fifteen and some rounds roundscomb so we
Speaker 1: we came to the realization that he had his own
Speaker 1: truck the amountain to pick up to tobacco from us.
Speaker 1: Turns out Derek had been buying and selling wholesale tobacco
Speaker 1: for years before he met Paul Jean, but until then
Speaker 1: cops had no idea what he was up to. As
Speaker 1: soon as he shook hands with Paul john though, cops
Speaker 1: started paying attention very closely and they started filling in
Speaker 1: the picture of Derek's tobacco operation. And from all the
Speaker 1: intercepted messages, investigators figured out how Derek was wiring his
Speaker 1: money and handling his logistics. Maybe we could uh, moved
Speaker 1: it up maybe a two a week or three a
Speaker 1: week or something, you know, for you and they don't
Speaker 1: bring into him anymore. It's going to make you, Lauren,
Speaker 1: everybody will be at our circle. And how he organized
Speaker 1: for someone to warehouse's product, a guy they code named
Speaker 1: the old Man. Yeah, okay, And how Derek directed his
Speaker 1: driver's once the tobacco got into Kenny, the trailer riding
Speaker 1: loaded and then be ready to go Sunday nine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There were heavy criminal elements to the larger organization that
Speaker 1: project Mygale was investigating folks that were even bigger than
Speaker 1: Sylvannetti and who were dealing narcotics and hard drugs, but
Speaker 1: Derek seemed to be totally independent of it. Derek never
Speaker 1: met silvan Ettier, never spoke to him, texted him, or
Speaker 1: communicated with him at all. From what investigators found, Derek
Speaker 1: was only dealing with tobacco and he never had any
Speaker 1: contact the rest of the criminal operation. But that didn't matter.
Speaker 1: Derek was on the Mygale radar and investigators were on
Speaker 1: Derek's trail. They had an informant inside his warehouse and
Speaker 1: undercover officers driving his trucks. Cops knew exactly where every
Speaker 1: shipment was coming from and where it was going, And
Speaker 1: even though they could stop every truck at the border,
Speaker 1: they didn't. They wanted to pounce at the right moment
Speaker 1: when they had enough evidence to go after the Kingpins.
Speaker 1: Jimmy the Anonymous Investigator explained the logic to us, So
Speaker 1: you typically don't want to take off a load if
Speaker 1: you don't have to, because imagine going through this multi
Speaker 1: year operation like Mygale, and then do something at the
Speaker 1: end that screws it up, that makes the bag. I say,
Speaker 1: we're not doing this for two years, we're backing out.
Speaker 1: But when you've got as many trucks going across the
Speaker 1: border as Derek and Sylvanne did, there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: surprises no matter what. Stuff is gonna happen. And it
Speaker 1: always sends a wrench in the works when that happens,
Speaker 1: because the first thing the bad guys do is close
Speaker 1: ranks and go, we have an informant here. But truck
Speaker 1: could have been hit by a fucking meteor, right, and
Speaker 1: they're going to think they have an informant, which is
Speaker 1: exactly what happened in November, just a few days after
Speaker 1: Derek got back from a NASCAR race at Texas Motor Speedway,
Speaker 1: he got the news that one of his money runners
Speaker 1: was pinched by the cops. Investigators saw the whole thing
Speaker 1: unfold from the texts and calls they intercepted from Derek's
Speaker 1: cell phone. They start at eight thirty six A and
Speaker 1: Mr White writes to Mr Hill, they jacked my friend.
Speaker 1: I'll let you know later. Don't want to talk too much.
Speaker 1: The car fucking a little made, fucking loved it. I'm
Speaker 1: just bringing it to what the fucking deal is to
Speaker 1: get rid of it. Yeah, a lot of your Fortunately
Speaker 1: for the cops working this case. Derek got over it
Speaker 1: quickly and chalked up the arrest to bad luck. My
Speaker 1: lawyers said the same thing. It was just a fucking
Speaker 1: arrest of food. I saw silent saying, you know anything,
Speaker 1: fucking sitting anything old verdable that when I said, they really,
Speaker 1: I did fu Trying to the fun ship, Derey thought
Speaker 1: he'd gotten off scott free, but police were biding their time,
Speaker 1: waiting for the perfect moment to open the trapdoor coming
Speaker 1: up next time on running smoke. I thought there was
Speaker 1: no risk because they told me they were doing it
Speaker 1: all legal. I took their word for it. The first
Speaker 1: thing you want him to know is you're screwing your
Speaker 1: gun and issier. The peacekeepers called me and they said
Speaker 1: that we have a warrant for your arrest. So I
Speaker 1: went turned myself in. Running Smokes a production of camp
Speaker 1: Side Media, Dan Patrick Productions and Workhouse Media, written and
Speaker 1: reported by me Roger Golan. Our producers are Leah Paps,
Speaker 1: Laine Gerbig and Julie Dennische. Our editors are Michelle Lands
Speaker 1: and Emily Martinez. Sound designed and original music by Mark McAdam.
Speaker 1: Additional sound and mixing by ewen Lyone from Ewan. Additional
Speaker 1: reporting by Susie McCarthy. Our executive producers are Dan Patrick,
Speaker 1: Josh Dean of camp Side Media, Paul Anderson, Nick Vanella,
Speaker 1: and Andrew Greenwood for Workhouse Media. Fact checking by Mary Mathis,
Speaker 1: artwork by Polly Adams and additional thanks to Greg Horne,
Speaker 1: Johnny Kaufman, Sierra Franco, Elizabeth van Brocklin, and Sean Flynn.