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Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to a voicemail episode of the

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Speaker 2: Mets Up Podcast. We are going to be listening to

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Speaker 2: met stuff. Links will be in the description. After the

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Speaker 2: Mets got knocked out of the postseason, me and James

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Speaker 2: have now had a good twenty four hours to reflect

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Speaker 2: on what happened. We heard David Stearns talk to the

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Speaker 2: press about what happened. Now we want to hear your guys'

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Speaker 2: reactions and give you our thoughts and opinions on what

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Speaker 2: you got to say. So that's pretty much it. Make

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Speaker 2: James hit us with that first voicemail.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Thank you guys all so much

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Speaker 3: for sending a bunch in. But we appreciate all the

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Speaker 3: engagement from you guys. Just appreciate another great year along

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Speaker 3: with the Mets Up Podcast. But yeah, great year for us,

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Speaker 3: great year, yeah for the podcast. Podcast yeah, great year year. Otherwise,

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Speaker 3: thanks you guys all for that. It's all the glory

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Speaker 3: to you. But we got the first one here from

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Speaker 3: our girl, Bella Bella coming all the way from Florence, Italy.

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Speaker 3: I literally as soon.

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Speaker 4: As I there's a top of the night that Elendora's up,

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Speaker 4: I said to my boyfriend's phone and said, you know

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Speaker 4: it's SOT will come up if you know. If Flordor

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Speaker 4: just doesn't GRANTU, you don't play, and then he don't play.

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Speaker 4: I need Mendoza gone.

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Speaker 5: I need Carlos Cosbandoza.

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Speaker 4: Oh wait, Chavez. I can't remember his first same Shavas

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Speaker 4: borned healer, even though I.

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Speaker 3: Love him, and he needs to go.

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Speaker 4: I need to overhaul the whole staff except for anton Richerson.

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Speaker 4: I can't deal with this team anymore. It's the worst

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Speaker 4: and I I need. I can't even watch playoffs.

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Speaker 3: This is horrible. I like that we got these voicemails,

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Speaker 3: instant reactions like Bellis and this one six forty four

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Speaker 3: minutes now twenty four hours, like cooler heads Happer, like

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Speaker 3: we have listened and thought about more stuff. We gave

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Speaker 3: It's funny to go back and forth with these with

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Speaker 3: these voicemails.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely feel a lot different than I did yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Like yesterday was like get the hate and anger out way,

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, WFM mark. Now today it's like, all right,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, what's the plan for the Mets twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six? And we heard David Stearns talk about some

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Speaker 2: of the things that Bella mentioned. Carls Mendoz is back,

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Speaker 2: no doubt he is the Mets manager in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: He might not be there for the whole.

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Speaker 2: Season, but on opening Day, Carlos Mendoza will be the

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Speaker 2: New York Mets manager. And as much as I was

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Speaker 2: I understand why they're doing it. And hearing David Stearns's

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Speaker 2: lot of the reason maybe why Carlos Mendoza made the

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Speaker 2: worst decisions a bullpen has ever been managed like before,

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Speaker 2: is because David Stearns didn't give him the weapons in

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Speaker 3: However much time it could be if it goes south again.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna feel good about Carlos Mendoza going into

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Speaker 2: the season, But knowing now what David Sterns said, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of my nerves were eased

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Speaker 3: it looked like he deservedly had not slept. Also, Mark,

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Speaker 3: you can you name the Mets last manager to reach

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Speaker 3: that's so long ago. Yeah, shit, eleven twelve, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: And then in terms of like Chavez and Hefner and

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Speaker 2: mentioned they're gonna have coaching evaluations. They're going to very

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you picked this up, James, but

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Speaker 2: at one point, I don't know if it was Laura

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Speaker 2: Albaniez or Will Samon talked about in game adjustments.

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Speaker 3: Could they have the Mets have made more in game adjustments?

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Speaker 3: How was Lauren Child? Lauren Lauren, Laura Lauren Lauren.

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Speaker 2: Pologies to Lauren in game adjustments, and David Searns kind

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Speaker 2: of said the Mets didn't make enough Laura, Laura, I

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Speaker 2: was right, I know, alright, pologies to the Albanese family.

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Speaker 3: How about that, especially Laura, especially Laura.

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Speaker 2: He mentioned how the Mets, like sometimes they would score

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Speaker 3: About all the coaches and when we evaluate them.

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Speaker 2: And I think that was a direct shot without saying

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Speaker 3: Lesson five today, thank you guys for all the content

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Speaker 3: this season, this and that I felt like this team

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Speaker 3: was terrible watch garbage most of the time. I went

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Speaker 3: through every single game on Baseball Reference and counting thirty

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Speaker 3: eight different games where the Mets only scored runs in

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Speaker 3: games where the Mets only scored runs in two innings

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Speaker 3: of the game. So that means eighty three of the

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Speaker 3: Mets one hundred and sixty two games, fifty one percent

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Speaker 3: seven innings. In those eighty three games, they went twenty

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Speaker 3: by inning, game by game consistency problem with this offense.

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Speaker 3: While they still did have those explosions, and they still

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Speaker 3: think was fair all things considered, But you did feel

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Speaker 3: They did feel like David Stearns was basically at that

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Speaker 3: was a lot of coaches in the staff. Most of

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Speaker 3: the coaches in the staff predated David Stearns and Carlos Mendozo, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: which is always weird and Glench Sherlock like, it's just

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Speaker 3: just does just feel like it might have gotten stale

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Speaker 2: And we know that Eric Choppas didn't do his job

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Speaker 2: last year, so wouldn't shock me that he doesn't do

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Speaker 3: No, we got for this team, got the next voicemail

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Speaker 3: They think coach for next year. Oh God, if you

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Speaker 3: do I think he ends up? Both?

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Speaker 2: I prefer he's with someone else in the National League East.

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Speaker 2: Go to the Braves, go to the Phillies, go to

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Speaker 3: Where do I think he ends up? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Probably like Sacramento or Ooh, Giants, but Diamondbacks. He loves Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Eric Schabs, new Giants manager, heard it here. First, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: he's crazy, but I suppose he would love that. Now

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Speaker 3: they're gonna try and get prespoted. You back at the

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Speaker 3: band back together. But next voicemail from a guy Chris Scopo, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I know Chris.

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Speaker 2: He's meaning Chris, hey comedian met a mat of story

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Speaker 6: I couldn't figure have to send the voice though, and

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry in the other message, this team is just

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Speaker 6: an embarrassing team.

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Speaker 1: Then horror.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what's gonna happen next year. I know

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Speaker 6: McNeil's gonna be gone. He better be gone. I can't

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Speaker 6: Jet Uh Bene is probably the senate fielder. It depends

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Speaker 6: Meddle in and say signed Alonzo because he was not.

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Speaker 6: package Clifford then for somebody, this seems just an embarrassing team.

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Speaker 6: They were not good at all. We really got to

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Speaker 6: But you know what, we just he talked a lot

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Speaker 6: at all. It was horrible. This was the worst year

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Speaker 6: of Mets baseball I've been a part of, been part

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Speaker 6: of bad teams. This team was not bad. They played

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Speaker 3: Good podcast, guys Calculated, calculated. To Chris, that was that

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Speaker 3: was a good voice, but a lot of so I

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Speaker 3: think that start with some of the things he said,

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Speaker 3: especially about the guys, guys like McNeil, Alonso and ds

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Speaker 3: but more specifically McNeil and Alonso, because in listening to

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Speaker 3: the David Starts press conference again you heard them talk

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Speaker 3: a lot over and over again about run prevention, run prevention,

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Speaker 3: run prevention. That was where this team wasn't good enough

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Speaker 3: also talked about the defensive failures and the defensive failures.

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Speaker 3: From what he said, we're a position group that we

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Speaker 3: kind of focusing on guys like Jeff McNeil, Mark Fiano's,

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Speaker 3: but aren't really up to snuff defensively. On what you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think while like to talk about Pete,

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Speaker 2: while Pete's one of the worst rated first baseman defensively

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Speaker 2: hard to stomach, but he mashes and everybody knows that.

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Speaker 2: And you take Pete Alonzo's bat and you worry about

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Speaker 3: It was just a lot of this roster was bogged down.

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Speaker 3: I think that might have been my least favorite move

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Speaker 3: the power of a thousand suns right now. They've grown

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Speaker 3: in mass and size, and just Christina's last point there,

433
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Speaker 3: part of me does just still think that one of

434
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Speaker 3: the only reasons that Carlos Mendoza was brought back is

435
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Speaker 3: because of how many managers we fired in the last

436
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Speaker 3: few years. I think if we had a very long tenure,

437
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 3: like let's say Terry Collins was just you know, he

438
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 3: managed his team up until like the Cohen regime took

439
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 3: over through twenty twenty, and then immediately you did like

440
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Speaker 3: the two years of Buck you know what I mean,

441
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Speaker 3: and then you did Mendoza. I think if you didn't

442
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,160
Speaker 3: go to Colin the Mickey Callaway catastrophe, to Luis Rojas,

443
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 3: bad situation, Los Peltron, Yeah, it's Carlos Peltron, complete misfire.

444
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,159
Speaker 3: And then also with Buck show Walter leaving in the

445
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,159
Speaker 3: silence of the night and kicking and exclaiming the door

446
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,680
Speaker 3: and is what I'm behind him on the way out.

447
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 3: I don't think Carlsonos will be managing his team next year.

448
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 3: I think a good reason he's maging his team is

449
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Speaker 3: for the goodwill of the industry to not fire a

450
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Speaker 3: third manager in five And.

451
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Speaker 2: We kind of joked about it last night, like John

452
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 2: Gibbons did nothing for this team. Like John Gibbons, every

453
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 2: time I saw my Sword of God, that guy looks

454
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,400
Speaker 2: so comfortable on the bench like he always was, like

455
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 2: just just sitting back in his chair, always comfortable answering

456
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Speaker 2: the phone like whatever. I don't I'm sure he did stuff,

457
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Speaker 2: but I do think that the stuff he had to write,

458
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 2: like it'd be crazy for me to say he wasn't

459
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Speaker 2: doing anything.

460
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, it's crazy.

461
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like at the same time, I do think

462
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Speaker 2: that again, there are gonna be a lot of coaching

463
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Speaker 2: changes made, not Carlos Mendoza, but I think the guys

464
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Speaker 2: around him, and I do think we're going to see

465
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Speaker 2: the Mets get a I don't want to say be

466
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Speaker 2: like aggressive with the bass coach, but I think they're

467
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Speaker 2: gonna get a bench coach. I think they're gonna get

468
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Speaker 2: someone who could fill in if the Mets scuffle early.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that the leash is very long for

470
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Speaker 3: Carlos Mendoza.

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Speaker 2: I just think they don't want to have to go

472
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Speaker 2: through an offseason where, let's be honest, the biggest problem

473
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Speaker 2: is the players on the field right now, by far,

474
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Speaker 2: not the manager. Carlos Mendoza did not help. I don't

475
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 2: think he should be back, but in an offseason where

476
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Speaker 2: they need to focus on getting better players, you don't

477
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Speaker 2: want to also spend time searching for a manager.

478
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Speaker 3: I also think that in a year where the Mets

479
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Speaker 3: had their greatest minor league success ever, every single team

480
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 3: I believe was over five hundred. I think maybe except

481
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Speaker 3: for Syracuse. Binghampton won THEIRS. Yeah, Binghampton won the Eastern

482
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Speaker 3: League championship. The Cyclones one. I remember what their league

483
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 3: is called now, SAL League. It's it's not the Penn

484
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 3: League anymore now, I think it's s AL. Yeah, but

485
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 3: those two, both those two teams both won their championships.

486
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Speaker 3: So I would truthfully look for something like one of

487
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Speaker 3: those guys if they wind up moving up a wrong,

488
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Speaker 3: if one of them gets like a bench coaching opportunity

489
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 3: or a job, because that would be kind of like

490
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 3: the guys who are being put in positions to you know,

491
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Speaker 3: possibly take over managerial coaching roles one day. Yeah, I

492
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 3: think that would be interesting, interesting to look out for.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the coaching STAF is definitely gonna look

494
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 2: different based on what Stern said.

495
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Speaker 3: I do think Hefner will be back.

496
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Speaker 2: As much as pitching stunk this year, I don't know.

497
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Speaker 2: You can't really polish a turd again, so it's like,

498
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Speaker 2: I don't know what Heffner could have done to make

499
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 2: Ryan Stanek not give up nukes and Ryan Healthily to

500
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Speaker 2: stop tipping pitches when they told him to stop pitching

501
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: tipping pitches.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people do go back to the

503
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 3: trade deadline with Stern. So I look back at the

504
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 3: trade deadline like with a cataclysmic disaster. That's not his fault.

505
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Speaker 2: He like in his press conversation, he almost seems like,

506
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Speaker 2: I can't believe it.

507
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: Went that bad. Like yeah, he was like, he was like,

508
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 3: not only do we not get better, we got worse.

509
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 3: We got worse.

510
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: He was like, and I don't know how that's even possible.

511
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: He's like, shame on us. We're not giving them a

512
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: better situation to succeed in.

513
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Speaker 3: And also I think he also mentioned that something we've

514
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 3: talked about possibly a mistake in his own process and

515
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 3: the way he evaluates talent, not thinking about personality maybe

516
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 3: as much as he should. Because when you acquire players

517
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: in Milwaukee and keep going back to Browers, because that's

518
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: the that's the day that we have on David Stearns,

519
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter for guy's personality. I get it

520
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 3: the clubhouse, but like in terms of handling pressure, like

521
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 3: there is a world where those two guys housen Malis

522
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: just couldn't really stand up to what is asked of

523
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: you in New York. And that's that's part of this,

524
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 3: that's part of what you have to do with being

525
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: the Mets top executive. But you guys who only played

526
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: in small markets the most legally plays in small markets.

527
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: There's like seven big markets in the whole show. But

528
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 3: we got we got another one here from Jack voicemail

529
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 3: short one.

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Speaker 12: I believe myself. I forgot to make bulling Ace today.

531
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,479
Speaker 12: I didn't have time. I didn't trust in the saws.

532
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 12: But it's okay. But we got in the doors blown

533
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Speaker 12: off by the Dodgers any way before to twenty twenty six,

534
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 12: and uh, we should be un wasted Sechy great seasons

535
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 12: out of Sotolonzo Lindora. It really had us in the

536
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Speaker 12: first half.

537
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Speaker 13: As fright you said they really had us.

538
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Speaker 3: I mean they did. They did have us in the

539
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Speaker 3: first half. Its kind of sass part to look back on,

540
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: like how great they were, how much fun it seems

541
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Speaker 3: like we were having.

542
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, James, uh huh, would you

543
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Speaker 2: rather knowing Let's just say you knew that the options

544
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: were missed the mess missed the playoffs, were met to

545
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Speaker 2: make the playoffs, but they get their teeth kicked in

546
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Speaker 2: by the Dodgers.

547
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Speaker 3: Which do you pick make the playoffs?

548
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Speaker 1: For sure? Me too?

549
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: Definitely seven A questions.

550
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: A lot of the fans are not happy to make

551
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: thet but you but you know that they lose twelve

552
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: nothing guaranteed, no matter what in two games.

553
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Speaker 3: I mean guaranteed twelve nothing. Guarantee twelve nothing. Maybe that

554
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: does change my opinion a little bit, but it's just

555
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 3: it's the way this media firestorm has now happened. Because

556
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 3: I do think even if this team won on Sunday

557
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 3: and made the playoffs by the skin of their teeth,

558
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Speaker 3: I think they still would have had these same kinds

559
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: of interurn conversations. Yeah, I don't think process wise they

560
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 3: would have been like, oh, gee, will course, we made

561
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: the playoffs. We did it all right the whole time.

562
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 3: Like that definitely would not have happened. But just like

563
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: to make the playoffs to avoid the embarrassment disappointment. The

564
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: guy's like Michael Kay like saying he's gleeful that this happens. God,

565
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna dance on the Yankees' grave when they get

566
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: knocked out by the Red Sox. That's not gonna happen.

567
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 3: Here comes another one from Sam.

568
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Speaker 13: That Peter bet was was heartbreaking. Man, when sixteen off

569
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Speaker 13: the band doesn't drop?

570
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 11: Is that?

571
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Speaker 1: I don't.

572
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to can see that.

573
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 13: But uh, you know, still love the team, you know,

574
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Speaker 13: looking forward to the next season with the same amount

575
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 13: of fucking positivity as I did the last Let's go Mets.

576
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Speaker 13: Uh looking forward to the offseason.

577
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Speaker 3: I guess are you positive, James, Sam? Are you positive

578
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: going into next season or can't You can't have that

579
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 3: conversation yet. Yeah, I can't even have that conversation yet.

580
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: Like some people try to start asking me about like

581
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: offseason ideas, like pictures who are available, I'm so not there,

582
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: Like I'm taking this whole week with post more than

583
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: there's no pitch is available. Basically there will be a

584
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: couple via trade. Freddy Peralto will be a very interesting

585
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: name that's going to be thrown around. But I'm so

586
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: not there, Like I'm not even close to being there.

587
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: Not yet.

588
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: There's I will, I think because both of us do

589
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 2: talk about also major League Baseball, you know as well

590
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: for content that our brains are still like, all right,

591
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: there is playoffs. I just don't have to be like

592
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: depressed anymore. But it's hard for me to think about

593
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: what's actually gonna happen. And I'm like November two and

594
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: the Mets wage.

595
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: It's a joy to not have to spend a lot

596
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 3: more in mind mind power on the Mets right now.

597
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: It's amazing.

598
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: Actually, these are the last This is like the last

599
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: week of dense Mets talk before we start looking forward.

600
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: This is a lot of revisiting what just happened, making

601
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: sure that the wound is still fresh.

602
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're gonna keep this week, letting you guys

603
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 3: just feel the pain every single day, and then and

604
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: then we'll start looking to the future. But this week

605
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 3: is pain only. Yes, here comes new and from Nick.

606
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Speaker 3: How is Cedric Mullen's batting in the ninth inning? It

607
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: makes Zero's sense. You have more time to bench once

608
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: Rice cold whole season long.

609
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 14: No idea why he's betting, Why bringing Ryan Statuck?

610
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick was talking in the forest with the crickets there,

611
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 3: but I agree. There was also another situation two winnings prior,

612
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: where Jeff came up against Kay Gibson who's a lefty

613
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: who has nice and nice breaking ball all weekend. Ronnie

614
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 3: Keith were both pretty impressed by him as a young,

615
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 3: young relief pitcher. But again, Jeff doesn't seem like he

616
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: hasnt gotten hit off lefty in a month two months.

617
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: There wasn't even the inclination to bat Starling Marte. In fact,

618
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 3: Jared Young got the bad which is crazy. Yeah, it's

619
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Speaker 3: over Starling Marte, which I thought was. It was just

620
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: again the combination of over and over again this entire

621
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: year is just not being able to spot the process

622
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 3: or the consistency and Crossdoe's decision making was kind of painful. Yeah,

623
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: which maybe I don't know, maybe maybe too many cooks

624
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: in the kitchen. Who even knows, Like is it too

625
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: many cooks in the kitchen or is it just like

626
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: like do they give I.

627
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: Would love to know if he has full control over

628
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: what's going on during the game where there's a plan,

629
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Speaker 2: because if there is a plane, the plane is bad.

630
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Speaker 3: I always do think about that because there's the continguency

631
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: of met fans's like David Searns makes every decision the

632
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: puppet master, I truthfully watching can't can't see how that's possible. Yeah,

633
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: half the time.

634
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: If you this is gonna be like the worst English

635
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: and like dumb idiot baseball talk ever. But if you're

636
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: if you're an analytics guy, analytics would never tell you

637
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: to do the stuff that happens in the game that

638
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: the Mets do. Never There's no world where they would

639
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: ever say to make those decisions that are being made.

640
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: And if that's what you want to blame stern saying

641
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: that he's making those decisions, David Stearns is either like

642
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: an actual moron.

643
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: Which I don't think he is. I'd actually highly doubt

644
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: he's a moron, or Carls Mendoz is making the decisions.

645
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: And on top of that too, like we've had Sterns

646
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: say explicitly in press conferences that Carls men Dooz is

647
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: the manager and he has autonomy. If they're lying about

648
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 3: that feels so weird. It's really strange if everyone's lying

649
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: about that together. So I'm gonna choose to believe that's

650
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Speaker 3: I got another one here from Quentin nice tight forty

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Speaker 3: seven second pots. Yeah, Quintin love that, Thank you, Quintin

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Speaker 3: respect hey, Mark and James.

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Speaker 17: Obviously unbelievable how he did not make the playoffs and

675
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 17: just unacceptable. But I feel like all these people who

676
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Speaker 17: are calling for Mendoza's head are just so shortsighted and

677
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 17: reacting to emotionally, because I think he's just got.

678
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Speaker 1: To learn from it.

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Speaker 17: I think he made a ton of mistakes this year,

680
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 17: but I also think there are a lot of things

681
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 17: he can learn and take from this year that make

682
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Speaker 17: him a better manager going forward. And I also don't

683
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Speaker 17: think that firing your manager after one bad season puts

684
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Speaker 17: you in the greatest light to perhaps, I don't know,

685
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Speaker 17: maybe get another one who would be the MANAGERI or

686
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Speaker 17: replacement if they were to fire him. I just think

687
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Speaker 17: all these people that put the blame solely on Carlos

688
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 17: Mendoza aren't getting the full picture. Appreciate the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I had to agree with Quentin. I think that's kind

690
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: of the the metsa podcast company line. Yeah, Like, I

691
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: know he's right, but also at the same time, I'm like,

692
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Speaker 3: if the Mets were to fire another manager, like who

693
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: would want that job?

694
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Speaker 2: There's like hundreds of people in baseball that are capable

695
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Speaker 2: of being managers that would take the job in a heartbeat.

696
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Speaker 3: Well, there's always the thing of there's only thirty of

697
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Speaker 3: these jobs available, so when they're available, you take them exactly.

698
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Speaker 3: At the same time, it's it's it's an industry wide

699
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Speaker 3: reputation because a big part of this is acquiring magicial

700
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Speaker 3: coaching talent.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, what would be a

702
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: worse situation? This is gonna be a fun question, Okay,

703
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: manager of a team that you know has no interest

704
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: in winning, doesn't spend money, they suck. They're like, what

705
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: if we spend the least amount of money possible to

706
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Speaker 2: try and be what the Mets were this year, like

707
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: eighty three wins right at five hundred? Or would you

708
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: rather be on a team where it's like we're gonna spend,

709
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: you're expected to win, you don't.

710
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Speaker 3: Win, that's it, goodbye. Worse for who?

711
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Speaker 2: For the Yeah, for the manager, Like as a public perception,

712
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: because that's kind of what we're talking about here, right

713
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: as the public perception of like what the Mets would

714
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: look like as an organization if they fired another manager again,

715
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I think.

716
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: Would worse is consistently firing more managers run run the

717
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: risk of possibly being those Yankee teams before the Dynasty.

718
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, but then they would have done that.

719
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: If Joe Torre didn't win, they would have fired his

720
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: ass too.

721
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: Then you gotta get Billy Martin for the third time

722
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: in the rooms because they started winning it.

723
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: That's why, like I think the public perception thing, I

724
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: get it. I also think it is eighty percent bullshit.

725
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: I don't know about eighty percent because when you fire

726
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: them in this quick successions, like I said before, the

727
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: thought process where if Terry Collins was like a life

728
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: for East manager here for a decade, and then you

729
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: had like a seamless transition to Buck Show Walter white Hair,

730
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: the white Hair, and then you did a couple of

731
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: years across from those, it didn't work out. I think

732
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: it was okay to fire, but just the turbulence that's

733
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: already happened, I think that made this all much more difficult.

734
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: And that's why you kind of do have to stick

735
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Speaker 2: with him.

736
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Speaker 3: A little longer.

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Speaker 2: What if I told you that, Like, like, I don't know,

738
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Speaker 2: I just it's also one good year and one bad year,

739
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, that part of the two. Yeah,

740
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: I like I see other organizations too that fire guys

741
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: all the time they get another manager.

742
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: Like it's by the organizations they are serious about winning.

743
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: No, but then wouldn't you want to be at least

744
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: if you were going to be scared of being fired,

745
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't you rather at least be like I got fired

746
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: because I didn't win. I didn't get fired because I

747
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: lost on a team that wasn't expected to win. Sure,

748
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: but what's what's is that like Skip Schumacher got fucking canned.

749
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: Well that's Skips Schumacher has a cushy advisor's role in

750
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: the Texas Range just front office. Think he's much happier now.

751
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know who he might be the manager,

752
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: but like I don't know, I just I think while

753
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: I can see that side, I do think that if

754
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: you were, if you're if the managerial job for the

755
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: New York Mets is open, I think ninety nine percent

756
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: of people who were going to be interested will still

757
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: be interested.

758
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: They're not gonna be like they fired three guys in

759
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: the last six years. I don't know what to do.

760
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: I think that'll dissuade the more experienced guys, the guys

761
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: who've kind of been there before, which I think is

762
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: it would be. The idea is that if you were

763
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: at a fire Acrossmandos, that's the kind of person you want.

764
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: But I think someone by that's it because unless you

765
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: because you could try another rookie manager. Yes, be in

766
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: the same spot exactly in two years. That's I'm the

767
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: chaos guy. I'm cool with it. Give me the new guys.

768
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: I can't say the old fucking losers back in. But

769
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: we don't have to worry about that. We got Cross Mendoza,

770
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: he's our loser.

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Speaker 3: Another here's one from our guy Connor. I think this

772
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Speaker 3: is going to be I know Connor, this is Connor.

773
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Speaker 7: Here we go, all right, boys, Obviously this is terrible.

774
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 7: Cannot The only way it gets worse is obviously we've

775
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 7: lived through it in six and seven. Yeah, there's nothing

776
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 7: about this team that I like besides Sodo, Lindoor and

777
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 7: the young guys.

778
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

779
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Speaker 7: Honestly, Alonso, it's great seeing you hit the ball hard,

780
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 7: But if I see you throw the ball into another

781
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 7: guy's backer and look twenty feet over a pitcher's head again,

782
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 7: I don't see a place for him besides h the

783
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 7: rest of the guys see you later. Viento's you're a

784
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 7: pathetic loser who freaked the freaked out because you you

785
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 7: can't field and the manager couldn't put you out there.

786
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 7: It's just a microcosm of a bigger issue with that

787
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 7: guy McNeil. I don't want to see him wear blue

788
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 7: and orange ever again. Nemo, great guy, but he's Jesus Jesus,

789
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 7: just bad coaching, bad coaching staff, bad team, bad locker

790
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 7: room vibes. Just not a good baseball team, not a

791
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 7: fun baseball team. I'm very happy that the season is

792
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 7: over now. This is such a fitting way for it

793
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 7: to end. See it boys next season, hopefully.

794
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Speaker 2: I think we'll see him before next season. Obviously, Conrad

795
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: this weekend, but it's I got one is interesting time.

796
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: It's interesting to think.

797
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: About again the position player groupings. I wonder if the

798
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: Mets do half peep backs. I think the Mets will

799
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: be very involved with Pelonzo. I think I think is

800
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: a much better than fifty percent shots that he's back

801
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: with the Mets. As that last year too. It just

802
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: might be an uncomfortable process to get there again. It

803
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: might be March second again, mid January. I'm gonna start

804
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: to put the intends up for pe Alonso but I

805
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: do wonder if if you negotiate with him this time,

806
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: it's not just a full on, here you go first base.

807
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: I do wonder if there's some kind of consideration of

808
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: a DH tandem of Brandon, Nemo and pe Alonzo to

809
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: alleviate the defensive deficiencies of these guys, because you definitely

810
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: become you can become a much better defensive team if

811
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: you could put like a real outfielder out there instead

812
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: of Nemo And I don't know who the first like

813
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: a defensive first platoon first baseman would be, but just

814
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: conceptually speaking, this team can get a lot better defensively

815
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: if you don't have those two guys out there for

816
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty two games. I mean maybe, but

817
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: still wanting their bats in the lineup for all those games.

818
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, first base is such a weird position because the

819
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: defensive value, like we still have a number that quantifies it,

820
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: but we know it's not the same value as it

821
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: is at shortstop. So that's why, like OAA, first base

822
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: is always a little awkward because you could have a

823
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: negative nine at OAA, but that's not as bad as

824
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: a negative nine at shortstop. I do think ultimately I

825
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: could see p being a DH like you mentioned on

826
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: this team. That DH spot being more or fluid is

827
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: good for this team because of the poor defense from Pete,

828
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: Nemo Sodo as well. It'd be nice to get Sodas

829
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: from Days at DH as well, because he can't hit,

830
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: can't hit, can't field out, and right field got a

831
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: can of an arm. But adventure fielding the baseballut there

832
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: not a complaint, not a complaint, love one Sodo beast,

833
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: but yeah, when you start to have those guys plus

834
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: like a Mark Fientos, they don't have Starry Martin anymore.

835
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: But the idea of Marte or Winker that that's six

836
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: guys all of a sudden that have negative defensive value

837
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: on a team that can't really afford to have any

838
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: more bad defensive players because most of them are already

839
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: playing the field and if you're not gonna hit, that's bad.

840
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: At least Pete mashes, at least Sodo mashes.

841
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: That's why they're allowed to play every single day at

842
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: their position. Defensively, if we have that DH spot open,

843
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: we can now improve those defensively.

844
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: We can.

845
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: Why can't we get all around good players right? We

846
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: don't have to just get defensive first guys.

847
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: No, of course, but it's just making this roster hopefully

848
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: fit together a little bit better.

849
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: Is Clifford good defensively at first? I don't know anything

850
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: about his defense at first, because.

851
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: No one talks about it. He's young. We just hits

852
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: tons of home runs ball day that was also exception.

853
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: Trying to like his own contact was through the roof

854
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: much better than expected. But also like, at the same time,

855
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 3: we can't really go into another season if we want

856
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: to be a win now team relying on twenty one

857
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: year old. It's like people are claiming for Jet. We

858
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: heard another call about Jet earlier, and Jet had a

859
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: good season at Double A, got Triple A, was a

860
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: bit overmatched. It's like, it's probably he's not a guy

861
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: who can rely on an opening day. He's a guy

862
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: that met right now. Yeah, definitely, He's a guy that

863
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: maybe could come up in July if he proves himself

864
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: to triple A again, and he could be a defensive

865
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: for a second basement that could probably play low outfield

866
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: because he does do that, and then be a piece

867
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: in a trade to go get a real second basement,

868
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: which I don't think we should be get a trade

869
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: of or a pitcher, or if we need the man

870
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: so tough, how bad they were defensively this year. We

871
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: also kind of always said the fact that we knew

872
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: that this year. The last two years are a bit

873
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: of an awkward time for this Mets organization, with Stern's

874
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: beginning and the player development machine beginning to churn. Now,

875
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: especially compared to last offseason, it feels like prospect wise,

876
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: we are in a much better spot to make a

877
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: big trade like that, because now when you look at

878
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: the double A roster past triple A roster, you're like,

879
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 3: I'm you're confident in the fact that we miscroached by

880
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 3: a year, Yeah, right, literally by a year, But you're

881
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: confident the fact that aj ewing Nick Moribido could be

882
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: defensive like those could be Blake Perkins types, you know

883
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: what I mean.

884
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: Morbido is in the fall league, right, yes, And I

885
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: think that is a clear let's treat you got? Can

886
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: you play center field at the major league level? Is

887
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: is this a guy that we can rely on for

888
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: good defense at the major league level?

889
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: Can you be on the forty man roster because his

890
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: forty man decision is this year's right now, So that's

891
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: going to be a big deal then, Eve.

892
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: Because it's as much as we love Benj and as

893
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: much we've been told you can play centerfield, if the

894
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: Mets are truly caring about this run prevention, they might

895
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: opt for a more defensive center fielder first until Benj

896
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: is fully one hundred percent.

897
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: Ready, and then you can slide Bene to the full

898
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 3: time left fielder and he'll be defensive upgrade over Nimo.

899
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: The Nemo can mix in at DH, and you can

900
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: move Bench to centerfield in some days with defensive first

901
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: center fielder isn't there. These are all options, These are

902
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 3: all things because heurioratings just such a killer to this roster.

903
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: We got worded of one styling more take out another.

904
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: Like oh he's lefty. I know, I know, and I'm

905
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: being still moved. I'm being nim is so good. Yeah,

906
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: but he's he's no, he's not good. He's fine, He's

907
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: totally fine.

908
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 3: Spits semantics over here. But also again talking about this

909
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: run prevention and how this roster looks next year, if

910
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: Carson Bench is the opening day centerfielder instead of Tyrone Taylor.

911
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: While I'd be thrilled with that, that did make our

912
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 3: defense worse relative, not better relative, And based on David

913
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: Searns saying rum prevention nineteen times in like a fourteen

914
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: minute press conference, I do believe that that's going to

915
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: be the absolute driving force of this offseason. Yes, I

916
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 3: defensively and also pitching wise. There's another one here from Sam.

917
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 18: So, guys, what's up that it was genuinely the worst

918
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 18: that season out of experienced in my fandom?

919
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: How old is he?

920
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 18: I wasted so much time over this past year thinking

921
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 18: that the Mets were going to make the postseason, and

922
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 18: what they do. They disappoint us once again, and traded

923
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 18: line was terrible. I think they're gonna do a lot

924
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 18: of stuff in the offseason, very busy. Data turns it's

925
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 18: gonna start cooking. But man, this was a huge disappointment,

926
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 18: and you know, I don't think it can get worse

927
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 18: than this next year, So oh well, let's go Mets.

928
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: Sam, I feel like you might be a younger Mets fan. Yeah,

929
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: because for any any Mets fans lived through any of

930
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: the other stuff, anyone who's near you know, the right

931
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: page of thirty, like Mark and I over here, this

932
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: is not even close to the worst mes season I've

933
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: ever seen it. I don't even think there's one of

934
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 3: the five worst Mets seasons I've ever seen. No five close.

935
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: Well, okay, performance wise worse, definitely not close. Feelings wise,

936
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: based on how you felt the day the season ended. Yeah, Like,

937
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you're close. There's like twenty eleven where it's like,

938
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: oh God, like we win.

939
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: Like seventy games.

940
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: You're talking about those, though I don't even think about those,

941
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: like I truly know this is the top five by far.

942
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: Then what did you feel worse the way twenty twenty

943
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: two ended or the way this ended? That's a good question.

944
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: They're both. They're close. They're close, because none of these

945
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: I think even are remotely close to two thousand and seven.

946
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: I know two thousand and sevens two thousand and sevens

947
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: number one, and then the clear number two is two

948
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: thousand and eight.

949
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: I think two thousand and six might be worse. Two

950
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 3: thousand and eight easily.

951
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: Two thousand and six hurt in the terms of like

952
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: so close, but like, relatively speaking, I don't have the

953
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: same pain that I have two thousand and eight. You

954
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: always felt like two thousand and seven made me realize,

955
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: like what being a Mets fan was that was being

956
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: a Mets fan was like, oh, we just got kicked

957
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: in the nuts Carlos Beeltron taking that pitch.

958
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: And then the next year they're like, oh you like that,

959
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: how about this two thousand and eight, You can I

960
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: can look back on two thousand and p like we

961
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: weren't like you know, that wasn't a great team, like

962
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: when I was a team that was playing pretty well.

963
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: But I think that was a team where if you

964
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: got to the playoffs, you felt the flaws on the

965
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: roster were two thousand and seven, I thought we were

966
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: going to win the World Series. We should have the

967
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: whole entry that I should have won. In two thousand

968
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: and six, we could event should have won both of

969
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 3: those World Series. But that two thousand and eight team

970
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: I thought was my more flawed. That compares more fate

971
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: more similarly to this season. I think where I think

972
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: the roster is good, not great, or twenty twenty three

973
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: maybe even yeah, twenty twenty three is part of the

974
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: two twenty twenty three. They just stunk. Horrible year. We're

975
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: never even never even sniff being good. We told the

976
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: deadline like that was just disaster season. So I think

977
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: that those all compare very differently in that sense. But again,

978
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: if you think this is anything like two thousand and seven, yeah,

979
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: if you hear any Mets, if you hear anyone who

980
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: thinks the Mets fans say that to you, if you

981
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: hear any Mets creators say that, bad call them out

982
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: because that's yeah, in terms of things that are not true,

983
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: that is not true.

984
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: You know how David Letterman used to do like those

985
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: lists where it's like top five, it would be like

986
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: top five stupidest things a Mets fan could say.

987
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: This year was worse than two thousand seven. Number one,

988
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: number one, bang easily. But got another few voicemails here.

989
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: This one's from Brandon, Hey, Mark and James.

990
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 19: I know we're all depressed, like I'm on fucking pissed, heartbroken, disappointed.

991
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 19: But I always say, lookie games that we will earlier

992
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 19: in the season, that we should have one. And it

993
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 19: comes back to hont he goes two against the Nationals

994
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 19: earlier in the year, the games against the Pirates. This

995
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 19: comes back to buy you or Now where do we

996
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 19: go from here? Obviously I want to get rid of Chavez.

997
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 19: I think he sucks. What do we do with our

998
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 19: pitching staff this year. We sucked for the most part.

999
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 19: I mean static ca hast to go. But do we

1000
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 19: fire Mendos? Like how many managers can we go through

1001
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 19: every two years and get a new manager. So my

1002
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 19: question for you is do we fire Mendozer or do

1003
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 19: we give them another chance? I just say give them

1004
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 19: another shot. But if I if you guys stay different,

1005
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 19: I agree with you also, But fuck this, this sucks.

1006
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: Let's go Mariners. Let's go Mariners. Hell yeah, Brandon.

1007
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: Although I think I think as a fan base, the

1008
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: Mets should not root for the Mariners just because we

1009
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: have so much stink around them, Like, let them have

1010
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: their fun.

1011
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: We can watch them afar, we don't need to root

1012
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: for them. Don't vocalize what they have. Like the Mariners

1013
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: to win. I would like the Mariners to win also.

1014
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: At the same time, just to talk about some of

1015
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 3: the beginning of Brandon stuff, I think that's the worst

1016
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: reflection on this Mets team is that you all you

1017
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: gotta do is win series against bad teams, and you

1018
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 3: reached the players easily, like this team. I pitched Aux

1019
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: Correo coming out of the All Star break, But it's

1020
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: just I mean we texted battle earlier today, like this

1021
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 3: team just wasn't killers. Like if you were killers, you

1022
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: would have been a killer you had you lost four

1023
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: out of six games to the Nationals and five pat

1024
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: seven to the Marlins to close your season. I mean,

1025
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 3: not a killer.

1026
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: Shout out to the intern of Mets the podcast with

1027
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: the tweet that bangs every single time he does an

1028
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: absolute legend shout out.

1029
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: You know who you are.

1030
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: But you look at that screenshot of all the games

1031
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: that the Mets lost, and it's baffling, Like even even

1032
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: games that were tied that they lost, bases loaded one

1033
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: out in the ninth Dodgers, Yeah, in the ninth and

1034
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: against the Dodgers against the Nationals, they had second and

1035
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: third against the Guardians when they didn't send Tyrone Taylor,

1036
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 2: that the bases loaded against the Guardians where they didn't score.

1037
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: Like the games that this team lost down the stretch,

1038
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 2: it's fascinating, it's fascinating. You almost have never seen anything

1039
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: like it. David Certin's even brought up how it is

1040
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: hard to believe that this team did not have a

1041
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: single comeback in the ninth inning. He's like, unexplainable. I

1042
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: don't know how that even happens. You never see anything

1043
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: like that. The worst teams in baseball come back in

1044
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: the ninth inning. It's an anomaly, but it was a

1045
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: good kind of vibe check for what this Mets team was,

1046
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: which was just not killers.

1047
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was purely statistically improbable that never happened. And uh,

1048
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: it's crazy. He's got a couple more. I may more

1049
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: voice those you want to do too. Two more. It's

1050
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: that including Frankie Peppers or two plus two plus Frankie. Okay,

1051
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: so here's one coming from Andrew.

1052
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, So first off, I just want to say

1053
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 14: thank you for all the content you guys have made

1054
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 14: over the season. I know myself and a bunch of

1055
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 14: other people have really enjoyed it, whether it was here

1056
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 14: on your new on the Windup or just on your

1057
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 14: Instagrams and twitters and things like that. So I just

1058
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 14: want to say thank you to My voice messages is

1059
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 14: probably gonna be a little bit different. I have the

1060
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 14: lines from some of the Mets players from before the

1061
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 14: season start.

1062
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: Like betting lines.

1063
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 14: Oh, I just wanted to see, like why you think

1064
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 14: some of these guys went over why they went under them?

1065
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: So Fornemo.

1066
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 14: His was seventy two and a half RBIs eighteen and

1067
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 14: a half home runs, Alonzo was one hundred and a

1068
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 14: half RBIs thirty four and a half home runs, Soto

1069
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 14: was thirty four and a half home runs, one hundred

1070
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 14: and two and a half RBIs, and Lindor was twenty

1071
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 14: five and a half stone base of twenty and a

1072
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 14: half home runs eighty nine and a half RBIs and

1073
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 14: Viento's was eighty six and a half RBIs and twenty.

1074
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 3: Eight and a half home runs.

1075
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: Where did you get these lines? How do what DraftKings

1076
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: shower draftkinks? You give me that Mark Vento's line next year,

1077
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: I'm hammering the under.

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Speaker 3: I think we talked about that p Alonzo RBI line

1079
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: being free season. Yeah, but yeah. I also I'm doing

1080
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Speaker 3: a most disappointing players in every position on my YouTube

1081
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: channel this week, and Viento's might have been the most

1082
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: disappointing on the list. Going into the season. In Fantasy Baseball,

1083
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: Mark Fientos had a higher ADP than Junior Cambinaro. Oh

1084
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: imagine that. That's crazy. It is funny to think about

1085
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: how differently we're viewing Mark Fiano's right now compared to exact,

1086
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 3: like a year ago, even we'll do eleven months ago,

1087
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: because it was like the burgeoning of a guy. How

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00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: about the middle about March, the middle of the lineup,

1089
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 3: dude during the homers hundred RBIs Now we're like, is

1090
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: the team? Yeah, get rid of in Colorado, buddy, It'll

1091
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: be great there.

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00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: But it's just it is.

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00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: It's a good reminder of how quickly things can change

1094
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: in baseball, but also at the same time, so fucking

1095
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: disappointing from him. I think really can't get away from that. No,

1096
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: it it was a miserable season. That was old Mark Fiento.

1097
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: So I don't know how if when we ever get

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00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: him back.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he plays another game for the Mets, because,

1100
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: again in David Curtin's press conference, I get the feeling

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00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: Mark Fiento's will not play another game for the New

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00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: York Mets based on the things that sterns would saying.

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00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like it, especially with the way that

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00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 3: the rumors circulated around him at the deadline. It just

1105
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: seems like we didn't get exactly what we wanted. Did

1106
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: you hear what stern said too about the deadline.

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00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: He was like, I think Mets fans would have been

1108
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: angry if you found out who we had to trade

1109
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: for some of those pictures at the dead end we

1110
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: didn't go after. I also thought that was listen, Mets

1111
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 2: needed starting pitching, no doubt. No starting pitchers got moved.

1112
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: The ones that did, like, we weren't given about Kelly, Yeah,

1113
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: Merril Kelly and Shane Bieber. Weren't giving up a top

1114
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: one hundred prospect for Shane Bieber. That was never happening.

1115
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: And Merrill Kelly didn't pitch well for the Rangers, wasn't.

1116
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: Very good, and they traded two prospects Yeah, in the

1117
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: top one fifty guys.

1118
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm sure the price was a lot. I

1119
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: did think it was annoying there, like should you have

1120
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: trade for more starting pitching? He's like, well, yeah, I

1121
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: wish we could have, but the price was insane. You

1122
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: want me to give up Nolan McLain for Sandy That's

1123
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: probably what like those are probably what the cont the

1124
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 2: trade offers were coming back, and I'm glad they didn't,

1125
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: but I wish we could.

1126
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 3: Have someone else. I'll remember who was I ha been Hayman.

1127
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: Actually your droll. Oh, Hayman asked the worst question ever.

1128
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 3: First off, he was slurring all over the place.

1129
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: Second, shout out the sauceposs Second he he was just

1130
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: talking to himself and the question.

1131
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: He like, Joe Sherman is a dork, but he like

1132
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: he's a reporter. He'll ask a question. He gets up there,

1133
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 3: he asked a question.

1134
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: Hayman's like, so you know today is a day that ends,

1135
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 2: and why so I'm gonna ask you a question now, David,

1136
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: here it comes are you.

1137
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, get to the fucking point. Man.

1138
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: He sounded very sleepy. Someone brought up Garret Crochet's name specifically,

1139
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: because that is one that continues to be brought up

1140
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: in these Mets circles. And again I think David Stearns

1141
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: was talking in cheek about he was just it we

1142
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: didn't even we didn't have anything close. He was like,

1143
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: I tried, I really put in, but like we just didn't.

1144
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: That's could have trade for him this offseason. We had

1145
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: the pieces. Now we didn't have those pieces when the

1146
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: season started.

1147
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: It probably still compared to again what the White Sox

1148
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: guy last season probably would have taken bench. Oh it

1149
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: would have it would Bene would have been in that trade.

1150
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: It probably would have been Bene and maybe like a

1151
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: sproke bench sprout, Yeah maybe like you yeah, probably something like.

1152
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 3: That, and you still might do that. But that's that's

1153
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: the caliber of package that the Red Sox came up.

1154
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 3: What would be getting up right now this offseason for Crochet? Yeah,

1155
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 3: for everyone being like you got they gave him up

1156
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: for nothing. They got a catcher who in his rookie

1157
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: season had an eight hundred ohps. It was great, a

1158
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: tools out, switch hitting outfielder who's still in Double A

1159
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: and crushed this year. And a guy who came up

1160
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: and played positive defensive shortstop with like a three hundred.

1161
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: It also pictures at the major league level and looked fine. Yeah,

1162
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 3: I think he throws like upper nineties as reliever. Like

1163
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: it was. That was a huge trade package, and hats

1164
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: off to the Red Sox for making the move to

1165
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: push those chips in when the rest of their roster

1166
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: objectively wasn't ready. But that was the move that pushed

1167
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: them well over the top. Yes, all right, time for

1168
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: Frank Peppers. No, we got one more. I got Thomas. Apologies,

1169
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: Thomas only twenty second.

1170
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 20: August twenty first, nine pm. Yeah, this season is cooked,

1171
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 20: not gonna lie, and it was cooked long before then.

1172
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: Pathetic team, no heart, no hustle. I don't even know

1173
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: where they go from here.

1174
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Speaker 20: Also said that at nine pm in August twenty first,

1175
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 20: and I still don't know where they go from here

1176
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 20: on September twenty seventh or whatever the date is.

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Speaker 3: Yep, so that simple. Were you checking your phone to

1178
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: make sure you were playing to current voicemail? Yes, because

1179
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: I wanted to check. On August twenty second, nine pm,

1180
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: Thomas DM the Mets up account. Yeah, this season is cook,

1181
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: not gonna lie. Where do we even go from here?

1182
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: So that was just Thomas giving himself his own callback

1183
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: for calling the destruction. So that's Thomas for that. We

1184
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: love a selfish voicemail. Yeah, we were to get shot cooked.

1185
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: Shout all you guys who did send us voicemails. We

1186
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: had so many I think we got like this is

1187
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: the most by far we ever got. It was like

1188
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: over one hundred in the inbox. So if we didn't

1189
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 3: get you, we're sorry. Well we'll we will do these

1190
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: more sporadically, probably more in season, maybe one more in

1191
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: the off season. But definitely something that we do have

1192
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: in the repertoire at this point now.

1193
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: But yes, for the final voice, twenty five New York

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00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: mets the one and only mister Francis Frankie peppers.

1195
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 3: Francis, is that you back called Frankie Francis Pepperoni. That's

1196
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 3: his casual this is formal name. He also threw in

1197
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: the word just struggling at the bottom of this voicemail.

1198
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: So ruggling, let's get let's get ready for Frankie here

1199
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: to send us out, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: This Frankie got a lot of thoughts right now, a

1201
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: lot of complicated thoughts, charged thoughts that I am having

1202
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: trouble putting words though.

1203
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: All I know.

1204
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: Is that we're walking out of twenty twenty five and

1205
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: me personally and walking out of twenty twenty five with

1206
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot less than me had walking into it, and

1207
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: I sort of need to wrestle with that a little bit.

1208
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know where we go from here. I think things,

1209
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, climber start to work themselves out in the

1210
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: next few weeks, and maybe remember how it felt when

1211
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: we sang me one sort of do you remember how

1212
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: that felt? We're going to feel that again. I don't

1213
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: know when. I don't know why, I don't know how

1214
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: we'll reach that feeling again. Right but right now there's

1215
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: no such feeling. So we're off, not a face to winner,

1216
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: no playoff baseball. Things are getting shorter, it's getting colder.

1217
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: We gotta figure out what to do. So I don't

1218
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying anymore. I won't take up anymore

1219
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: your time. I hope to speak to you boys over

1220
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: the off season, and uh, just go spend some time

1221
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: with somebody you love. Just just get this out of

1222
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: here and go spend some time with somebody you love.

1223
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: It's better, it's better.

1224
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 4: To do that.

1225
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna try and do. Take care, boys,

1226
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you soon.

1227
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: I don't sad. I don't like sad. Frankie I was

1228
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: the sadist. Had Frankie that said hurt, that hurt to hear,

1229
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 3: very profound. That was like a big transcendentalist too. It's

1230
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: sir right that Frankie has me motive. They had the

1231
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 3: head to the woods this week. At some point, you're

1232
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: gonna go to the woods. I think you might take

1233
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: a train upstate one of these days. Say where what

1234
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: would be the woods near us, just upstate New York, upstate. Yeah,

1235
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 3: taking on one of these days, picking pick a I

1236
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: take a train, spend a day in the woods. No,

1237
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: not yet. Sorry, Frankie, wish we could have won it

1238
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: for you hate. I hate to leave. Frankie Pepper said,

1239
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: it's okay. We gotta you know, that's it's up to

1240
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: the team. I gotta makes coming. You're talking about Dave

1241
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: to get short. That was like depression talking. I reach

1242
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: out to Frankie, make sure's all right. Gotta grabbing a

1243
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: repo with Frankie. Maybe yeah, one time soon, but that's it.

1244
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 3: That's it, guys. Let's know what you're thinking in the

1245
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 3: comment section.

1246
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,919
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1247
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,560
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1249
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: media at James Shan I'm drafted neckmark for the see

1250
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 2: Thank you as for listening, Thank you for watching.

1251
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 3: I'll catch you all next time. Peace app Let's go Mets.

1252
00:54:44,320 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 5: Peace out, guys. Thanks for the voice. Smouts where and.

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Speaker 7: Then the loves

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Speaker 5: And then a lo