1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Everybody. Third hour of The 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Clay's on vacation with the family. He popped in earlier 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: in the show to weigh in on the election twenty 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: twenty Jack Smith indictment against Trump, which we've been spending 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: most of the show talking about. We have Julie Kelly 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: joining us at the bottom of this hour to give 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: her thoughts on how this is going to go and specifically, 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: who is this judge who is going to be dealing 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: with this with the Trump indictment. What do we know 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: about the judicial process that Jay six prisoners have received, 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: or JA six defendants, I should say now prisoners many 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: of them have received, including from this judge, And give 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: us a sense as to how this is all going 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: to be structured, this ongoing legal ambush of Donald Trump 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: to subvert the twenty twenty four election. I think we 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: have to use that language. This is preemptively denying the 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: American people a level playing field, a free and fair 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: and open choice as to whom they want to be 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: the president of the United States starting in twenty twenty four. 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: They didn't even wait to see if they could beat 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Trump and then come up with some lie as to 24 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: why it didn't really happen, like with Russia collusion. Now 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: they're going early. Now they're pulling out all the stops 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: before we even see what the people would want, because 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: they know that there's a risk here for them. They 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: know that Joe Biden is a feeble president in every sense, 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: and the Democrat promise of unity and prosperity, and these 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: are the get the shot or you lose your job 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: people in this White House. They've been a nightmare. There 32 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: are disa yes, and there's I think a growing recognition 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: of just how absurd it would be for Joe Biden 34 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: to get four more years in office. I would hope 35 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: that there's that recognition. But absurdity is the water in 36 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: which the modern Democrat swims. This is how they operate, 37 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: this is who they are. And let me let me 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: tell you, it's hard to think of a more clear 39 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: manifestation of this. Then they had this. I think he's 40 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: a presidential historian that they love to find, these left 41 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: wing historians who then sit there and they say, well, 42 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: I wrote a biography of you know, Rutherford B. Hayes. 43 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: And so now everybody has to listen to my every 44 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: word about politics in America twenty twenty three. Really not 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: sure that's how I feel. Not sure I care. But 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: nonetheless over at MSNBC, they have to get that audience 47 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: as frenzied about this indictment as they possibly can. And 48 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: that brings me to this comparison of January sixth too 49 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: you ready for it? Nine to eleven Osama Bin Laden 50 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: and Pearl Harbor, and Donald Trump is in this instance 51 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: kind of like Osama a threat to America. Play it, 52 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor. 53 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: Nineteen forty one, we were bombed, Our system was very 54 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: much in danger. Our democracy. Many people were getting it 55 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: up and saying that, you know, the democracy had seen 56 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: its last days. Nine to eleven, two thousand and one, 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: Osama bin Lauden and other terrorists hated our democracy, try 58 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: to destroy it. You see where I'm going. What we 59 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: see in this indictment is that on January sixth, twenty 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: twenty one, Donald Trump, just like those other threats to 61 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: American democracy, tried to destroy our system, to take away 62 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: our rule of law, came very close to doing it. 63 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: To take away our system of elections, to take away 64 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: our tradition of peaceful transfer of power to a new 65 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: elected president. It almost happened. 66 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: This is somebody on television over at MSNBC with Morning Joe, 67 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: and Joe's like, yeah, that's right, more hairspray, that's right. Uh. 68 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: He's telling everybody that this is best loss, that Donald 69 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: Trump is a threat similar to in the totality of 70 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: threats to our democracy going back over one hundred years. 71 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: He's saying that Donald Trump is in the same line 72 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 1: of threat as the Japanese at Pearl Harbor. And remember 73 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: the Japanese plan was to knock out the Pacific Fleet 74 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: and then continue and they allied with Nazi Germany and 75 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: they declared war on us, and you know, global domination. 76 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: There were submarines off the coast of California like they 77 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: were coming for us folks. It wasn't just a you know, 78 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna do this thing and then we're all gonna know. 79 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: They were trying to be part of the Third Reich 80 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: plan of global domination. They became part of it, and fortunately, 81 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, thank the United States Armed Forces. Japan was 82 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: unsuccessful in that goal. But wow, Pearl Harbor. Really a 83 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: couple of thousand Americans died in one day in a 84 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: sneak attack, a day that does live an infamy. And 85 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: then Osama bin Laden. Now that's one that I remember. 86 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: I remember watching in real time as the towers fell. 87 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: I remember thinking to myself, I have to get into 88 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: this fight somehow. It is why I joined the CIA. 89 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden and his his circle in Al Qaeda 90 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: wanted to get their hands on chemical and biological weapons, 91 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: wanted to get their hands on a nuclear weapon to 92 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: destroy an American city. This person is going on television 93 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: comparing Donald Trump to Osama bin Laden as a threat 94 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: to this country, and the audience is clapping and and 95 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: the hosts are you know, are just grinning and oh yes, 96 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: look look at the scholar, just like bin Laden. Bin 97 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: Laden had his maniacs fly planes into buildings, killed almost 98 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: three thousand in a day, and wanted to continue. There 99 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: were more. I was in the CIA's counter Terrorism Center. 100 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: There were all kinds of plots, more planes to take down, 101 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: more terrorist attacks. A lot of them did happen, but 102 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: a lot of them were defeated in it in advance. 103 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: Wanted to destroy our society. By any means possible, would 104 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: have been happy to kill millions of us if he 105 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: could have Bin Laden and Zawahiary and the rest. And 106 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: this guy's comparing and but then we're gonna have over 107 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: at CNN. Trump is beyond the pale. Look what he 108 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: said in this truth social post. Trump is beyond the pale. 109 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: They're comparing Trump to Bin Lauden. They've compared him to Hitler. 110 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: They need to get a grip. They are in the 111 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: grips of masses state. This has now become the great 112 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: Democrat delusion, this self propagating myth that Donald Trump is 113 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: this horrifying threat to the future of the country, when 114 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: about half the country is like, actually did a good job. 115 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean, some people say did an amazing job, but 116 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: people say did a good job. I voted for him again, 117 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: and I can assure you I would not vote for 118 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: I would not have voted for Bin Laden as president, 119 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: for heaven's sake. So what's with these crazy comparisons, Because 120 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: they have to find a way to justify emotionally, psychologically, 121 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: and politically the extreme nature of what they have done. 122 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: At some level, there has to be a recognition they're 123 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: the ones who have done the crazy unprecedented things here 124 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: now multiple times over. Indicting a leading presidential candidate, and 125 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: also the fact that he's a former president shouldn't be 126 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: lost on all of us either in this or shouldn't 127 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: lost in the conversation. We don't do this because what 128 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: we never want to have is a system. And this 129 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: I've been in, I've been deployed to, I've been in 130 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: countries where this is the case. You lose that election, 131 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: you're going to prison. You defy the regime and run 132 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: against them in an election, you're going to prison. Once 133 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: that happens, it's all over, folks, Because the checks and balances, 134 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: the laws that are in place, the existence of the 135 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: rules that are supposed to give us common principles and 136 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: common ground to come together, all of that, all of 137 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: that just fades away. It turns into might makes right. 138 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: It turns into whatever we want, we have the power 139 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: to do. Therefore we shall do. Because here's the question, 140 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: and like I said, we'll talk to Julie Kelly about 141 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: some of this coming up in a few minutes. Here's 142 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: the part of this that I want anyone who is 143 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: skeptical of the gravity of this moment for our legal 144 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: system for our political system and for our country, meaning 145 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,599 Speaker 1: the prosecution of Trump with this multiple now multiple indictments. 146 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,599 Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to stop at Trump. This 147 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: is the part of it that I This is why 148 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: I keep going back in history to show. This is 149 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: why I rattle off these names, Bob McDonald, Chris Christy, 150 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: Scott Walker, Rick Perry. I mean there's others. I can't 151 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: even think of. Ted Stevens. I said before they criminalize politics. 152 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: They've been growing in boldness to do this over a 153 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: number of years. Goes back to the Bush administration. As 154 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: I said, it really started with the Special Council witch 155 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: hunt of the leaked name. They knew it was linked, 156 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: to know it was an accident, no crime. Oh but 157 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: let's just try to get people in the White House 158 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: locked up for it. Anyway, none, We'll make movies, horrible 159 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: movies about this is preposterous. That was what was that 160 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: Special Counsel Pat Fitzgerald. Right, look at that guy's record. 161 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: That's what he does. He goes after, He goes after people, 162 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: goes after people for political reasons. So I bring all 163 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: that up not just to show you the progression, but 164 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: now to get to what comes next, they've done this 165 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: to Trump? Does anyone believe go look at some when 166 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 1: when Ron DeSantis was surging it was months ago, I know, 167 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: but when he was surging in the polls, when it 168 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: looked like he may be a real challenge in this 169 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: primary to Trump, you started to see these articles It's say, oh, 170 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: Ron de Santis is an even bigger threat than Donald 171 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: Trump is. Do you think that was gonna go away? 172 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: I mean, if let's just say, in an alternate, alternate 173 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: universe here, you know, DeSantis was at fifty five percent 174 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: right now, do you think that Do you think the 175 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: Democrats would be saying, oh, gosh, you know, we are 176 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: a more a more mainstream politician that we can you know, 177 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: we can work with this guy. No, oh, they'd be saying, 178 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know, he's a white nationalist. He's horrible, 179 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: he's you know, worse, a more effective fascist than Trump. 180 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: They were preparing that. Why does it matter because the 181 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: precedent of going after Trump in this way is going 182 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: to be used again. Why does it matter? Because when 183 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: they say on MSNBC that Trump is in the same 184 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: league as Bin Laden as threats to this country, and 185 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: they're not horribly embarrassed. I mean, you know, morning Joe 186 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: and Mika should resign, but then you know it's not 187 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: gonna happen. They'll never do that. I think they're amazing 188 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: if they can say that and not feel so foolish 189 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:48,359 Speaker 1: and not feel so humiliated that there's an extreme embarrassment 190 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: and an apology afterwards, which they think that they did 191 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: a great job. What makes you think that this is 192 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: going to end with Trump? And this is why when 193 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: Trump has said it resonates with so many people. You 194 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: think they're coming for me speaking as Trump, but really 195 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm just standing between them and you. That's true of 196 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: future Republican presidential contenders. As I've said, and I've been 197 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: ringing the alarm about this before I teamed up with 198 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: Clay on my own show. I was ringing the alarm 199 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: about this four years. They are weaponizing the law for 200 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: purposes of political power. And I can take you through this. 201 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: Is there a Democrat progression that's similar. No, In fact, 202 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: what you see is the opposite, which is the abandonment 203 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: of the rule of law to help Democrats stay in 204 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: office or to win elections, whether it's Hillary Clinton or 205 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden recently, or I could sit here. If I 206 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: gave it five minutes, thought i'd come with all kinds 207 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: of cases or Democrats, you know, they get away with it. 208 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: They get away with it. Bill Clinton got away with it. 209 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: The Clinton Foundation, with Hillary and Bill, they got away 210 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: with it. So, my friends, this is a very serious 211 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: moment for the country. And it's just the beginning. I 212 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: can't say we're gonna wake up tomorrow and this nightmare 213 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: is over. This is just starting. But I do think 214 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: that what this has shown, and whatever one can see 215 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 1: from it, if they think it through, clearly, this is 216 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: the beginning of a new era of wielding power in 217 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: this country for a winner, take all, burn it all 218 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: to the ground, as long as we are in charge approach. 219 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: And that's what these indictments against Trump represent. And you know, 220 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: I know the people that are coming out and speaking 221 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: out against this. Some of the legal experts that we've 222 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: had on this show, if they thought that Donald Trump 223 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: had done something egregious and broken the law in doing so, 224 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: they would say so. But instead, the people that I 225 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: respect most on the right, who are the most well 226 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: versed in constitutional law and just in federal statute, are 227 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: saying this is a legal abomination. And that is what 228 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: we have to remember as we go forward here and 229 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: now we can look at whether we're able to actually 230 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: win still, which is a big question mark. I know 231 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: vivek Ramaswami is in Nashville, and I believe he is 232 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: holding a press conference as we speak about the transgender 233 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: terrorist manifesto from the Nashville Covenant School shooting. So I 234 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: agree with Vivick that this should be released. Many of 235 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: you know I've been saying this from the beginning. I've 236 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: also said that they will hide this and everywhere they can. 237 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: We'll come back to that in a moment. And also, 238 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: we have Julie Kelly with us to get into some 239 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: of the what comes next after this indictment. That's what 240 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I really want to focus on with her. 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He says that they have failed to substantively 263 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: respond to a Foyer request that he filed in June. 264 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: That's one part of this, and he is also the 265 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: Floyer request has to do with the Biden White House 266 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: and also it's communications with Merrick Garland. It basically, did 267 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: Biden tell Garland go get Trump? I mean, that's really 268 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: what the boy is about. But also he's talking about 269 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: the release of the Nashville terrorist manifesto of that trans shooter. 270 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: We all remember that horrible day when that story happened. 271 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: Here is Vivek play twenty five. 272 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: Governor Bill Lee, the governor of this state, pledged to 273 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: release that manifesto. Yet today we're sitting here in August 274 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: with nothing other than stonewalled silence from our government. 275 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: That is wrong. 276 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: That does not build public trust, that erodes public trust. 277 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: I'm here today to make a demand of the governor 278 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 3: of Tennessee, to make a demand of the Nashville Police Department, 279 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: to make a demand of the FBI release the manifesto. 280 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: Speak the truth, release the manifesto. I've been saying it 281 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: for months as well. I completely agree with this, and 282 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: it goes to the obvious politics of this and why 283 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: it has not been released. Look, I'm sure there is 284 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: likely stuff in there that is beyond horrific, and there 285 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: are things that might be very difficult for people, especially 286 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: who are close to or affected by that terrorist attack 287 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: in Nashville or in the Nashville area, that would be 288 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: very difficult for them to hear about read about. I 289 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: understand that, but the public has a right to know 290 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: and what was the ideology of that? 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Highly recommend So Julie, Okay, Yes, 316 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: we've had you on for the You told us so 317 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: a few times. And yes you told us not only 318 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: would Trump be indicted, but that it would be specifically. 319 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: And and I have been related to election twenty twenty 320 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: and January sixth. Were you surprised at all by the charges? 321 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the specific charges, not that there 322 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: were any. 323 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 4: Right, exactly, No, I wasn't you know? A three out 324 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 4: of the four were mentioned in the January sixth elect 325 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 4: committee report. I also suspected that obstruction of an official 326 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 4: preceding that fifteen twelve C two would be the top charge. 327 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: It was actually the third charge, not that it matters. 328 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 4: That is most common Selenie for January six More than 329 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: three hundred defendants slept with that, Selenie, So I wasn't 330 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: really surprised, but I have to admit, Buck, I was 331 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 4: really surprised at how just sloppy and juvenile the indictment was. 332 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 4: It's basically, for the most part, a cut and paste 333 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 4: job from the January sixth Select Committee. I mean, I 334 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 4: think dooj and Jacksmith should be embarrassed by the document 335 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 4: that they filed yesterday. 336 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah to me, I said on Twitter, and then today 337 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: on the show, it's like a monologue you'd expect on MSNBC. 338 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it reads like, you know. Oh, and 339 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: then and he didn't even believe the thing. He said 340 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: to his lawyers, like how do you know that? And 341 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: what are you saying? And the whole thing just feels 342 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: like it falls apart with any honest scrutiny. But now 343 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: let's kind of get into you know, there's what's fair 344 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: and right, and there's what's happening right, Julie, and when 345 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: it comes to this get Trump operation, we can't lose 346 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: sight of the latter as in what they're doing to 347 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: them and how this is going to play out. For example, 348 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: on the obstruction of official proceeding. They have sent other 349 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: j six defendants to real prison terms based on that, 350 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: as I understand, it is that right. 351 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 4: Oh, they absolutely have. I mean the most infamous defendant is, 352 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 4: of course Jacob Chansley, the QAnon Shaman. And keep in mind, 353 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 4: not only prison sentences after a plea agreement or conviction 354 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 4: at trial, they have held these judges have held some 355 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 4: defendants in pre trialed attention, meaning denying them bail because 356 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 4: they were charged with obstruction and a few other misdemeanors. 357 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 4: I mean, Jacob Chansley was not charged with assaulting a 358 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 4: police officer vandalizing property directly. We saw him on video 359 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: walking around in numerous instances with police right nearby. But 360 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: they denied Jacob Chansley's bail, and finally, after ten months 361 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: in base solitary confinement, Jacob Chansley was tormented into pleading 362 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 4: guilty for obstruction, then sentenced to forty one months in prison. 363 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 4: So that a guilty conviction can land someone anywhere between 364 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 4: three and five years in jail, but also be the 365 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 4: basis for pre trial detention. And so Will Jacksmith asked 366 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 4: that I know you and I've talked about that. I 367 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 4: have a column up kind of detailing a major court 368 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 4: decision and then recent case law that could justify that. 369 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: But you know, I guess we'll find out later today 370 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 4: or tomorrow when Trump is rained. But this is not 371 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 4: the only indictment that's coming down in this matter box. 372 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 4: There will be superseding indictments. 373 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: There will last week. 374 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and I think people should still prepare for 375 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: a possible seditious conspiracy indictment with Trump and the co 376 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 4: conspirators were named cited in the indictment. 377 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: Yesterday, we're speaking to Julie Kelly Declassified US or sub Stack. Julie, 378 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: you know when you just said before they may get 379 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: or they may try to get a pre trial detainment 380 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. I think the first instinct that I 381 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: have and everyone else listening has, is that's crazy. And 382 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: then it might kick in the thought might come into 383 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: our minds of oh, but the judge in this case 384 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: is about as anti Trump as could be, right, I mean, like, 385 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: walk us through what we should expect with because right 386 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: it would be up to the judge. And this judge 387 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: not a Trump voter from what it seems, not. 388 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 4: A Trump fan at all. In fact, you'd be hard pressed, 389 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 4: with the exception of Beryl Howell, to have a worst judge, 390 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 4: worse judge than Timey Chuckkin. I almost stell off my 391 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 4: chair when I saw her initials at the top of 392 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 4: that indictment, because I and I tweeted, you probably saw 393 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 4: Trump as doomed. Not only did she author the ruling 394 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 4: that force Donald Trump to produce all of his records 395 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 4: to the January sixth Committee, denying him exact kit of privilege, 396 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 4: she is the toughest judge when it comes to handing 397 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 4: down sentences for January sixth ers. In fact, in a 398 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 4: few occasions she has sentenced j six ers to more 399 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 4: prison time than what the DOJ has asked for. And 400 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what buck. I was in her courtroom 401 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 4: a few months ago, an empty courtroom, of course, with 402 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 4: a defendant who was convicted of for the four common misdemeanors. 403 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 4: He was inside the building for eleven minutes. She spent 404 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 4: fifteen minutes brating this man over what trespassing at the capitol. 405 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 4: She also berated him for choosing to move forward with 406 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 4: the jury trial rather than pleading guilty, because that wasted 407 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 4: all sorts of resources apparently because most defendants who get 408 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 4: her assigned as a judge, they plead out because they 409 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 4: know how tough she is. And you could just sense 410 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 4: I was watching her, and you could just sense she 411 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: was so condescending. You could just see the contempt that 412 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 4: she has for this man who committed no violent crime. 413 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 4: And so this is what Donald Trump is up against. 414 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 4: And getting time you chucked in as a judge was 415 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 4: probably worse news than the indictment itself. 416 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So this then brings me to the next 417 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: part of this. You know, we had Andy on Andy 418 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: McCarthy before, and I was asking about about the timing here. 419 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: You know, Clay has thought all along that they were 420 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: going to be able to delay these trials with that 421 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: the election. I keep telling Clay, They're not bringing these 422 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: trials to delay them, my friend, Like, this is not 423 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: going to happen. They're meaning the system won't. Yes, under normal, 424 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: a normal regime, you should be there should be delays 425 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: and challenges. But if they're going to ram it through, 426 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: they're going to ram it through, and clearly they want 427 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: to do this before the election. So let's just assume 428 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: I asked Andy the same thing he said. I don't know. 429 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they might try to get this one probably 430 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: before the election, if he's got the worst judge he 431 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: could possibly have, or close to it. I think you 432 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: said probably number two and a jury pool that is 433 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: comprised of the most high concentration of anti Trump individuals, 434 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: everyday citizens in the country. What happens here? I mean 435 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: people keep asking me, can Trump go to prison? Are 436 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: they really going to try to do that? 437 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 4: Well, look, I sort of agree with Clay, and I 438 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 4: just told Megan Kelly this as well. I don't see 439 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 4: either one of these cases going to trial before the election. 440 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 4: Most importantly, Jack Smith does not want the class by 441 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 4: document's case to go to trial. 442 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: It's a joke. 443 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 4: There is nothing there, and they are trying desperately to 444 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 4: withhold these alleged class by documents, even from Donald Trump, 445 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 4: under these crazy protective orders. And furthermore, they have a 446 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 4: very tough judge who has got DOJ's number, Judge Aileen 447 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 4: Cannon in Southern Florida, and she is not putting up 448 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 4: with any bad behavior from DJ. They don't want that 449 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 4: case to go to trial. This would be really hard 450 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 4: pressed a case of this magnitude to go to trial. 451 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 4: That quickly. For example, the Proud Boys trial the Seditious Conspiracy, 452 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 4: it was almost two years after the defendants were first 453 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 4: arrested and charged, and then a year later charged with 454 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 4: seditious conspiracy. So it would be really hard, just a 455 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 4: normal circumstance, to put Trump's January sixth case to trial 456 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 4: before the election. But as I said, Jack Smith is 457 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 4: going to continue to supersede indict this original indictment. He's 458 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 4: going to add charges, He's going to add co defendants, 459 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 4: which then sets the Speedy Trial Act clock backwards to 460 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: the very beginning. So I don't think he wants either 461 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 4: one to go to trial before the election. He wants 462 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 4: death by a thousand cuts. Because you could see now, 463 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 4: no matter what kind of bad news comes out about 464 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 4: the Biden family crime racket or anything of the Democrats, 465 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: this is going to be a great way for Jack 466 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 4: Smith and the DOJ to use this as a ruse 467 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 4: to pivot away deflect attention from what's happening with the Democrats. 468 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: So then what I take from you is you think 469 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: or your assessment at this point, and your assessment was 470 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: they were going to indict him a whole bunch. So 471 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: here we are. But your assessment going forward is they're 472 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: bringing this is effectively the dirtiest political campaign in history, 473 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: hijacking the DOJ to do it, I meaning they're not 474 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: actually likely to lock him up in a cell before 475 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: the election or even get to that point where they 476 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: could through a trial. But by bringing all this stuff, 477 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: they muddy him up and they create this whole Trump 478 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: is a criminal narrative that they're going to run on. 479 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: Is that about right? 480 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 3: Oh? 481 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, they want the headlines. They want to suck 482 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 4: all the oxygen out of the general. But also the 483 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 4: Republican primary. You know, this is the top issue. This 484 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 4: is a huge issue with Republican voters. So how Donald 485 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 4: Trump's Republican opponents respond to this? And we see really 486 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 4: tepid responses coming out from just a few of them. 487 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 4: I mean, Mike Pence's response was embarrassing. I don't think 488 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 4: Brando Santisism was any better. So this is going to 489 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 4: be a clarifying issue in the Republican prime. Married and 490 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 4: then Jack Smith, who is a creature of DJ. He 491 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 4: spent four and a half years in the DJ under 492 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 4: Barack Obama. He worked for two and a half years 493 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: at Mean Justice with Lisa Monico, the Deputy Attorney general. 494 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 4: Right now, he understands very clearly his marching orders, and 495 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 4: he is going to He's going to do whatever he's 496 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 4: told or whatever he senses. We saw this yesterday with 497 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 4: his pathetic statement. That was you know, he was nervous. 498 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 4: He was clearly just overly agitated. He used all sorts 499 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: of hyperbole that had nothing to do with the indictment. 500 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 4: As he said, Donald J. 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We have ur VIP mail bag, Mark Rioights, gentlemen, 542 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: the most unbelievable thing Smith said was he wants a 543 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: speedy trial. Really, there have not been any speedy trials 544 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: for all the other j six political prisoners. The only 545 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: reason Trump gets a speedy trial is become because of 546 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: the upcoming election. Isn't this more proof of what's going 547 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: on and that this is nothing more than a political attack? Thanks? Mark, 548 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: I think yes, I know you heard Andy McCarthy getting 549 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: into some of that before we had him on. I 550 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: don't look I mean you know who knows. I know Julie, 551 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Kelly and Clay both think that neither of these trials 552 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: are going to happen before the election. I think that they. 553 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: I think at least one of them will happen before 554 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: the election, because think about this. If Trump ends up winning, 555 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: this is all it's all for naught, right, and then 556 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a Trump who is facing imprisonment. They're 557 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: gonna people say that they'll just drop the charges. I 558 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: think he'll probably well, I don't know, I have to 559 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: look at this. Well he actually the charges will be dropped, 560 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: but will pardon himself as well, just so that depends 561 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: on what the statute limitations and all that might be. Anyway, 562 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do one of the trials beforehand. 563 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: I know how it normally works. That's not how it's 564 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: gonna work this time. In my mind, at least I 565 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: could be wrong. But yeah, the other j six prisoners, 566 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: they were in a situation where they were held in 567 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: solitary confinement and special and you know, especially bad conditions 568 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: because they were going to have another insurrection. That's what 569 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: we're told. It's all lies. But yeah, I am definitely 570 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: definitely concerned about that. And also I think the way 571 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: that this has gone down shows everybody what is really 572 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: happening here, what the politics are. So yes, now a 573 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: speedy trial only for Trump because they want to get 574 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: it done before the election. Doug Wrights, the persecution of 575 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump will definitely be before me. That's why I 576 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: will be voting for him as a side though. Why 577 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: not get the Scotus involved now in the constitutional validity 578 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: of some of these made up charges? Well, Doug, the 579 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: process we'll we'll have to play out on this and 580 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: that would be they'll have to appeal it, and depends. 581 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: There's multiple cases, right, so let's just take the DC case. 582 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: They could. I don't think the judges can dismiss the charges. 583 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone believes that, not this judge. So 584 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: there'll be an appeal, and you know, the Supreme Court 585 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: could try to fast track it. But I don't think 586 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: it's I don't think that's gonna happen. I could be wrong. 587 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: Let me see, we have Mark says, gentlemen, you've got 588 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: O'Reilly and the last one was Mark was the first one. 589 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: Got another Mark, gentlemen, you've got a'riley. Victor David Hanson 590 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: and a host of others, including me, who believe there's 591 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: no way Biden will be the Democrat nominee in twenty 592 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: twenty before Additionally, Jonathan Turley just said it looks like 593 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: Biden is involved in one of the greatest corruption scandals 594 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,479 Speaker 1: in the history of Washington. He says, mark my words, 595 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: and mark the words of others more learned than me. Look, 596 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: Clay thinks it's not going to be Biden. I think 597 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 1: it is going to be Biden. So we'll see. Now. 598 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: The only thing that is there's a third way here, 599 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: which is if Biden's health were to truly fail entirely, 600 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: that changes things. Right, There's a reason we have a 601 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: vice president. We all understand what that is, right, So 602 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: that's at Biden's age, that could happen. But if we're 603 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: talking about political strategy, I firmly believe still it's going 604 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: to be Joe Biden, because, as I've said all along, 605 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: all the charges against Trump, this drowns out as far 606 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: as the Democrats are concerned, This drowns out the Biden 607 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: corruption network. And you could say, well that's crazy, yeah, 608 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: but they're Democrats, they don't care. And then it just 609 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: turns into the threat to our democracy of Donald Trump 610 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. There they want the rematch. If 611 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: they didn't want the rematch, they would have put it 612 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: up forward another candidate, my friends, right. That's I don't 613 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: know how else to say it. They could have done 614 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: something else, but they wanted to be Biden v. Trump 615 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: because they think they've got a plan for this. But 616 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: I know they thought they had. Hillary thought she had 617 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: a plan. Helloo, in twenty sixteen, Hillary thought that she 618 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: was going to be able to pull it off with 619 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: all the Democrat help, with all the machinery, and it 620 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: didn't happen. So it really this turns into by the way, 621 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: that election was close, the twenty twenty election was even closer, 622 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: So it's going to be a close election. What we're 623 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: left with is, despite all the legal challenges and all 624 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: the craziness and all the underhanded political behavior of the 625 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: left in this, does Trump get a repeat of the 626 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen miracle instead of twenty twenty. We will see