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Speaker 4: Twenty three questions you, guys, she's here a gorgeous guest
Speaker 4: this week.
Speaker 5: Oh you always look so beautiful, and she can put
Speaker 5: together it's the crazy n in you.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I would like to think so thank you.
Speaker 1: That is clutter me. It's so good to see you, guys,
Speaker 1: you ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 5: Kate Vogel, everyone knows that voice.
Speaker 3: Look how pretty your microphone is?
Speaker 1: Oh thank you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Gold?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah yeah, I need a microphone update. This
Speaker 5: is good.
Speaker 3: I need I need to I'm like you drop the
Speaker 3: link in the chat.
Speaker 1: Yes please, I'll get you guys all expects. I got
Speaker 1: you all set up as much?
Speaker 5: Does it come in rose gold?
Speaker 1: Rose gold would be cool? Yeah, it's uh, it's definitely
Speaker 1: like I have a lot to learn, but I feel
Speaker 1: like as a musician, and I'm gonna like shoot myself
Speaker 1: in the foot saying this because watch me have like
Speaker 1: a technical difficulty in zero point five seconds. But doing
Speaker 1: the zoom thing. I'm like, there's no excuse for all
Speaker 1: my stuff not to be dialed.
Speaker 4: You do sound much clearer than using too close. You've
Speaker 4: got that cool little screen that makes sound shrill as
Speaker 4: I sound.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, totally. I'm I'm I'm loud and
Speaker 1: prone to you know, getting like overly excited, especially chatting
Speaker 1: with old friends, and so this helps, it helps temper
Speaker 1: it to a degree.
Speaker 5: Where are you right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, endless, I'm at home. Okay, Oh my god, come over,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: We're on strike.
Speaker 3: We should literally just be sitting in the backyard drinking
Speaker 3: wine together every day.
Speaker 1: Dude, anytime I'm so down. I I'm here. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 4: Let's speaking of strike. We can't talk to you about
Speaker 4: anything we maybe filmed together, which that's not what we
Speaker 4: want to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 4: We're playing twenty three questions because we just want to
Speaker 4: learn more about you.
Speaker 1: K vocal love it.
Speaker 4: I feel lucky that we've known you since you were
Speaker 4: a literal teenager.
Speaker 1: Yeah, insane, it's so wild. It's so wild to think about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, and it seems like not that long ago.
Speaker 1: And then in other times you're like, that was a
Speaker 1: different life. It's it's it's wild. Yeah I was. I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, the show we didn't film together
Speaker 1: was sort of my high school experience and yeah, like
Speaker 1: it's it's so cool. It was. It was a it
Speaker 1: was a crazy one, but it was a great one
Speaker 1: and in so many ways, so wonderful.
Speaker 5: How old were you when we met.
Speaker 1: I think I was nineteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too. It is that, Yeah, we
Speaker 5: were all.
Speaker 4: Didn't you turn twenty right at the hundredth birthday party?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what? I turned at the hundredth episode party,
Speaker 1: And you guys, that is a story. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of stories for a time when we're drinking something other
Speaker 1: than water, right, Like that's not for this this episode,
Speaker 1: but oh my god, yeah, the twenty first birthday, that
Speaker 1: was a wild ride. But yeah, it was. I was
Speaker 1: a kid. I was totally like just I was a
Speaker 1: babe in the woods. But you guys were so great
Speaker 1: in like showing me the ropes.
Speaker 4: Well, how about we jump out of these questions because
Speaker 4: I feel like we've got so many questions for you
Speaker 4: just about when we first met you in that whole
Speaker 4: time period. But we want to have you on when
Speaker 4: the strike is over so we can discuss all the
Speaker 4: things that we can't discuss right now.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm I'm.
Speaker 5: In, and we have so many questions for you about guys,
Speaker 5: Stay tuned because Kate has a big announcement that will
Speaker 5: we should do at the end of the episode two.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I'm so alright.
Speaker 4: Who wants to start?
Speaker 3: All right, I'll jump in. First question, no pressure, What
Speaker 3: is your idea of perfect happiness?
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a good one. Oh my gosh, Okay, a
Speaker 1: big one. Yeah, no, presh, no fresh Okay, I'm with
Speaker 1: all my favorite people. So I'm with my family, my dog,
Speaker 1: my closest friends, eating homemade pasta, drinking a great a
Speaker 1: great bottle of red wine somewhere like on the Italian
Speaker 1: coastline or like in the south of France at magic hour.
Speaker 1: I think that's a bit. It has to involve food, obviously. Thanks.
Speaker 4: You're such a good traveler. I feel like you'll make
Speaker 4: that happen if you haven't already. Like I'm not a
Speaker 4: good traveler, You're a good traveler.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's definitely like me and my husband Brett,
Speaker 1: like it's our biggest passion. Like that is like the
Speaker 1: thing we connected over. I we love to travel, Like
Speaker 1: it's totally just it's yeah, it's a huge priority for us.
Speaker 1: So I hope, So I think that would be cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I that makes me feel good. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: like it's simple, right, Like it doesn't and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have to be somewhere like extravagant or fabulous, but it's
Speaker 1: just perfect. Happiness is like my favorite people and really
Speaker 1: good food and uh and and great drinks and laughing,
Speaker 1: you know, just laughing, my.
Speaker 4: Favorite people and scenery, the scenery and scenery.
Speaker 1: What's your greatest fear? Well, I mean, okay, I have
Speaker 1: to say, like a couple of weeks ago, I was
Speaker 1: at a hotel and the power went out and I
Speaker 1: was in my room, so it was fine, but I
Speaker 1: had this thought, what if I got stuck in the
Speaker 1: elevator a stranger and I had to be really bad
Speaker 1: during this time? Oh yes, get out, Kate.
Speaker 5: I think about that every time I'm in an elevator
Speaker 5: with people pe Is that weird?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 5: Guys don't think about that every time peeing or getting
Speaker 5: stuck peeing, having to like where would we all please?
Speaker 4: No, not once in my whole life if I thought.
Speaker 5: That every time I'm in an elevator for longer than
Speaker 5: like five seconds, ten seconds.
Speaker 1: We're musicians who've been just gonna ask. And when you
Speaker 1: have to pee and you're on tour, it's like a thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like there's I think that because there's like pea stops
Speaker 1: are huge, Like I recognognize every rest stop in the
Speaker 1: United States. How many times I've played Joe. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe maybe it's that that we're very aware of,
Speaker 1: Like when's the next time I get to pee on
Speaker 1: this long road trip? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it instills a panic in you. Yeah, total pan Yeah,
Speaker 3: because we don't we don't have that, but y'all do, guys.
Speaker 4: I've peyed behind so many buildings in Wilmington, Oh just
Speaker 4: like anywhere. There's no fear.
Speaker 1: Absolutely no. I mean that, I don't have an issue
Speaker 1: with that. I grew up in Ohio. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's more the idea of being trapped. Like, I
Speaker 1: feel like watching a cute, romantic comedy like show that
Speaker 1: was about these two people who got trapped in an
Speaker 1: elevator on New Year's Eve, and the whole time I
Speaker 1: was like, one of them would have had to pee? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 4: Is it weird being on a bus going into that
Speaker 4: little bathroom and just like having everyone know, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: going to pee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not super glam, wouldn't you say so?
Speaker 5: Joy, No, it's it's definitely uncomfortable, But I think everybody
Speaker 5: just kind of gets over it, and eventually, eventually it's
Speaker 5: just all you're all just living together. It becomes it
Speaker 5: becomes a theater kid thing where you're just changing backstage
Speaker 5: and eventually you're just like whatever, that's it going to
Speaker 5: walk by, you know.
Speaker 3: I almost feel like the thing that's worse is when
Speaker 3: you're on a camping trip with people, because like, everybody's
Speaker 3: got to go find somewhere in the woods to pee.
Speaker 3: But like when somebody gets up from the campfire and
Speaker 3: goes and gets the little shovel, You're.
Speaker 1: Like, I know what you're going to do. You're going
Speaker 1: to dig a hole in the woods like that.
Speaker 4: Oh, man the elevator. P all right, well we're gonna
Speaker 4: write that horror film and go sell it to Blumhouse
Speaker 4: and it's gonna make a ton of money and have
Speaker 4: to strike.
Speaker 1: It will be a huge hit.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, number three. If you could be the best
Speaker 4: in the world at something, what would it be. You're
Speaker 4: already really good at a lot of stuff. Well, like
Speaker 4: you're an extordinary painter too.
Speaker 1: But thank you. I I you know what I think
Speaker 1: I would say, like renovating houses or like old chateaus
Speaker 1: or something like I'm in my full HGTV lady era.
Speaker 4: She said, renovating a chateau.
Speaker 1: Yes, like Kate is so too. You have to hire
Speaker 1: Kate to renovate your chateau, you know, and that might
Speaker 1: be a little fu niche. But I just really want
Speaker 1: to learn how to, like, you know, like do all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Like I want to be a tool lady,
Speaker 1: like the lady like Cake Caate can work a miter
Speaker 1: saw for sure.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, are you signed up for that website? Up?
Speaker 4: It's like a cheapcastles dot com.
Speaker 3: I am, yeah, same, but I follow all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, girl, you need as she wants a chateau,
Speaker 4: get a castle girl.
Speaker 3: I will start to send you the links. I look
Speaker 3: all over France and Italy all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, please please do bring me in on this.
Speaker 3: I have a backlog just in case it's for phase two.
Speaker 3: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at. I'm like, that is my that's
Speaker 1: the that's the next chapter on the horizon, like down
Speaker 1: the road a bit. But like so I'm excited to
Speaker 1: be chateau neighbors.
Speaker 4: So like what if we just do a GoFundMe to
Speaker 4: buy a chateau that Kate can renovate and then like
Speaker 4: fans can go stay in it.
Speaker 1: That would be sweet actually thought about being like like
Speaker 1: even if it's just me with my iPhone documenting the process,
Speaker 1: like I love of to do like a whole, like
Speaker 1: get entrenched into a project like that, and then it's
Speaker 1: like let's run a workshop or like people can come
Speaker 1: out and like hang and I don't know, man, I'm
Speaker 1: getting all kinds of ideas.
Speaker 4: I could be under that we're gonna find a cheap
Speaker 4: castle kids.
Speaker 3: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Question four, what is the weirdest item that you keep
Speaker 3: by your bed?
Speaker 1: Ooh, what is the weirdest item? It's a great one weirdest,
Speaker 1: like most unexpected. Well, I would have to say so
Speaker 1: our little dog, our little mutt. She has a little
Speaker 1: game before bed every night after her after her nighttime walk.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is that weird, but
Speaker 1: it's definitely on sightly. I have like lots of treats
Speaker 1: like meat snack treats, chopstick and Meet Snacks is my nightstand.
Speaker 4: Rapstick and meet Snacks is the name of the episode.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. She has to do her game, her
Speaker 1: find it game, which is just us throwing meat snacks
Speaker 1: on the bed and her finding them. So it's really
Speaker 1: not terribly complicated, but it's like she gets very sad
Speaker 1: if she doesn't do her find it game, So I
Speaker 1: just keep them right by the bed. That's really sweet snacks.
Speaker 5: Okay, this one is uh gets a little tricky for
Speaker 5: people because it's which living person do you most admire? Oh,
Speaker 5: I guess if it's too hard, I guess you could
Speaker 5: also go name a living person that you deeply admire.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally. I man, there's so many. It's I
Speaker 1: mean definitely like both my parents' top that list. They
Speaker 1: are like unbelievably people and such an inspiration. But my
Speaker 1: little sister. I have one sister, and you guys probably
Speaker 1: I'm sure I brought her to set up your sister. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're into like every Wilmington bar like way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially when you turn twenty one.
Speaker 1: Like an old like a good older sister, right like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she is. She's just like I look up to
Speaker 1: her so much, even though she's four years younger. She's
Speaker 1: she's amazing. She's such an inspiration to me. She's like
Speaker 1: the funniest person I know, you know, like if you
Speaker 1: like with your siblings, how you have that like sort
Speaker 1: of your own language communication of like there's jokes that
Speaker 1: only she will ever understand, you know. So she is.
Speaker 1: She and I have been like doing like some little
Speaker 1: video podcast conversations, just like little like YouTube things like
Speaker 1: just for fun. Because she lives on the opposite coast.
Speaker 1: She lives in Manhattan, and I'm out here and I
Speaker 1: miss her so much. I'm always trying to get her,
Speaker 1: you know, persuade her to move to la I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's seventy five and sunny today, and she's like, yeah, day,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, I just I love her. She's so
Speaker 1: wid in so many ways that I'm not, and it's like,
Speaker 1: it's such a gift to have a sister. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I gotta go with my little sister, Courtney, Babe.
Speaker 4: That's so nice that you feel that way about your family.
Speaker 4: Not everybody does, so it's really special when people are
Speaker 4: like I love my parents and my sibling.
Speaker 1: It's like both I feel super lucky. They're just like
Speaker 1: the best people in the world. Like I my dad
Speaker 1: taught me to write songs, you know, my mom is
Speaker 1: like just the kindest person on the planet. Like we're
Speaker 1: super close, like almost to the point where I feel
Speaker 1: kind of bad for my husband sometimes because he loves them.
Speaker 1: It's a vibe of like he always like makes the analogy.
Speaker 1: He's like, you guys are kind of like a line
Speaker 1: of elephants, where like if you could all like just
Speaker 1: hold on to each other's tales all round. And he's like,
Speaker 1: it's really great, but also I imagine it's probably overwhelming,
Speaker 1: as you know, for I don't know, it's.
Speaker 4: The world's one.
Speaker 1: We're a lot. Yeah, we're loud, inappropriate, but it's great.
Speaker 4: Love it.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 4: Number six, What is your greatest extravagance? Where are you
Speaker 4: spending that money honey, Oh man, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I would. I guess I would probably say like
Speaker 1: when when we're like, oh, there's some extra you know,
Speaker 1: there's a little extra money to spend this year, Like
Speaker 1: it's probably travel, like travel and and like kraf cocktails,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's like, yeah, twenty five dollars.
Speaker 5: Now, it's like, why don't we hang out more? Same?
Speaker 1: No travel and alcohol?
Speaker 5: Come on, curiously, is there guys?
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, it's uh yeah, I feel like I've
Speaker 1: come a long way from whatever I was probably drinking
Speaker 1: like at nineteen back in Wilmington. Uh, just just try
Speaker 1: to figure it out. But no, yeah, like we're we're big,
Speaker 1: We're big into craft cocktail vibes. So yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's like that experiences food alcohol.
Speaker 4: What is your favorite mixed drink?
Speaker 1: Ooh I love like a dirty martini with blue cheese olives.
Speaker 4: Anyone say yeah.
Speaker 5: But it's so hard to find blue cheese stuffed olives.
Speaker 5: Sophia is gonna vomit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry, I know it is a bold choice.
Speaker 1: Is not for everyone.
Speaker 5: Like wait, jin Or vodka vodka mea same, same, little
Speaker 5: little Belvedere vodka.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to find a spot that does a
Speaker 1: good one.
Speaker 5: But the problem, Yeah, a lot of people don't do
Speaker 5: them right. I mean I like it when they're so
Speaker 5: cold that the top it's like it's like a layer
Speaker 5: of ice on top. Almost.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly the way. And it's so gross if
Speaker 1: it's like anything, like if it's if it's hot or
Speaker 1: well it gross now hot? No?
Speaker 5: Gross? Who's serving you hot? Dirty martinis?
Speaker 4: A dirty martini is my favorite work function drink. Like
Speaker 4: we have to go to like things like upfronts and
Speaker 4: events like that, and I remember there's a time where
Speaker 4: like people would be handing this really sweet things. I
Speaker 4: don't I don't want them. Once I discover you, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be the dirty martini lady at the upfronts or
Speaker 4: at the tzas or whatever. They look at you different. See.
Speaker 3: That's how I feel about ordering an old fashion whiskey. Yeah,
Speaker 3: especially in that ero Like when we were still on
Speaker 3: our show, I'd have like gross old men at bars
Speaker 3: be like who's that for? And I was like me,
Speaker 3: I love it when you're like that's what I want.
Speaker 3: Get me an old fashion and we'll be friends. Boo
Speaker 3: cheese all oh yeah, yo ya.
Speaker 1: I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I love you all, but not for me. Okay, what
Speaker 3: is your current state of mind?
Speaker 5: Hmm?
Speaker 1: Okay. I think where I'm at right now is like
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say curious more than anything.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to really lean into being curious about like
Speaker 1: new adventures and stuff, which I'll you know, like talk
Speaker 1: about more at the end with big announcement I'm super
Speaker 1: excited about. But like I've just been since you know,
Speaker 1: with lockdown and stuff. I couldn't tour at all, Like
Speaker 1: the rock club was literally the worst possible place to
Speaker 1: be for everything that was going on, and so I
Speaker 1: really had to like start to start kind of forced
Speaker 1: me to get curious about, like okay, like what else
Speaker 1: am I going to do? And then now obviously, like
Speaker 1: you guys understand, like there's the strike and so it's
Speaker 1: definitely something where I'm trying to lean into some of
Speaker 1: these other creative avenues that I really like, love and
Speaker 1: enjoy because it's kind of the only thing you can do,
Speaker 1: you know, is like yeah, And I'm also trying not
Speaker 1: to put too much pressure on myself to like make
Speaker 1: one thing or the other, like to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this has to be you know my next job or
Speaker 1: like you know, like kind of allowing myself to just
Speaker 1: like explore things and prototype things and like just enjoy
Speaker 1: the process of like being curious about different ways to
Speaker 1: be creative. Like do you guys relate to that? Right now?
Speaker 1: With all that's going on, girl.
Speaker 4: We're spending all like all sorts of plates and then
Speaker 4: be like what else can we do? Like could I,
Speaker 4: you know, become a contractor maybe?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no shortage of ideas. Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: I think it's good. We were sold this bill of
Speaker 4: goods when we were younger that like, you go into
Speaker 4: a career path and you stay in it until you
Speaker 4: win the gold Watch at retirement, and that's a weird
Speaker 4: way to live your life. And so this idea that
Speaker 4: you can morph like you can you can Madonna your
Speaker 4: own life is exciting. It could be something different every
Speaker 4: few years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so true.
Speaker 3: I also think there is something really interesting not only
Speaker 3: about realizing you have permission to do anything that interests you,
Speaker 3: you know, no matter if other people put it under
Speaker 3: the umbrella of your career or not. But there's also
Speaker 3: something that I'm finding really helpful in this moment, Like
Speaker 3: I always try to find a silver lining when something
Speaker 3: intense is going on. And obviously the strike is so
Speaker 3: intense and hard for everyone in our industry, and it
Speaker 3: creates that feeling of overwhelm, especially because we have no
Speaker 3: idea when it's going to end. And so I've been
Speaker 3: searching for what the sort of silver lining of this
Speaker 3: is and the opportunity to rest a little bit, to
Speaker 3: be like, well, we're doing this work. And then all
Speaker 3: those calls, all those meetings, those pitches, all like that's
Speaker 3: all gonna come off the calendar. And I've been sitting
Speaker 3: in my backyard and reading books and I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is gorgeous.
Speaker 1: It's gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I usually just look at my backyard through the window
Speaker 3: in my office, and now I'm like, I'm going out
Speaker 3: there with a cold brew, and I'm like, luxury, Such
Speaker 3: an opportunity.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 5: Okay, Kate, what do you most value in your friends?
Speaker 5: Speaking of curiosity and time to rest?
Speaker 1: And yes, I you know, I think that, like, I
Speaker 1: think it's that ability to fall back into that like
Speaker 1: just the ease with which we can like fall back
Speaker 1: into doing nothing together or laughing together, even if it's
Speaker 1: been like years. You know, I think that That's one
Speaker 1: of those things that kind of is different in my
Speaker 1: life than like my parents. Like my mom had grown
Speaker 1: up in the town that I was born, and so
Speaker 1: all of her friends, Like it was really cool when
Speaker 1: I was growing up seeing like, wow, she has such
Speaker 1: tight knit friendships and they lived their whole lives together.
Speaker 1: That has not been my journey. You know. I left
Speaker 1: my freshman year of college to take a record deal
Speaker 1: and get on the road, and then I started working
Speaker 1: on this you know, wonderful show and like had this
Speaker 1: total adventure that took me all over the place and
Speaker 1: it kind of made me feel like an island now
Speaker 1: and then because I was like the only one of
Speaker 1: my friends who wasn't sort of following this same path,
Speaker 1: and so there was a little bit of fomo there,
Speaker 1: even though it was like I was following my dream.
Speaker 1: And but it's so like, I'm so grateful for like
Speaker 1: the grace of being able to be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I am so sorry I didn't respond to your text
Speaker 1: from three weeks ago. I like, you know, it's that
Speaker 1: kind of thing that I think everybody now probably can
Speaker 1: relate to in a way, because it's like we're all busy.
Speaker 1: Everyone has so much going on. Everybody's a lot more
Speaker 1: kind of mobile, and it's it's just nice to be
Speaker 1: able to let have that ability to fall back in
Speaker 1: and laugh about stuff as if like no time has
Speaker 1: passed it all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's awesome. Okay.
Speaker 4: Number nine, On what occasion does Kate Vogel lie?
Speaker 1: That's a good one, Oh man. I well, let's see.
Speaker 1: I mean, I try, I try to be I try
Speaker 1: not to lie, you know, on most occasions, but this
Speaker 1: one time a couple of years back, and this is
Speaker 1: one of those things. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: have those things where like these memories of something you
Speaker 1: said or you did where you just want to shout
Speaker 1: it out of your head and you're like, why am
Speaker 1: I so awkward? Maybe this is just me. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's O care if it is. I I was backstage
Speaker 1: at a friend's show, and I was like really jet
Speaker 1: lagged because I had just gotten back from a tour
Speaker 1: in Europe, and so I was like really out of it.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, I support my friends gonna
Speaker 1: go to their show, and one of their other friends
Speaker 1: just casually asked me if I was wearing hair extensions,
Speaker 1: and I absolutely was wearing hair extensions. But however, I said, no,
Speaker 1: this is all my real hair. And then the split
Speaker 1: second after I said it, I was like, why did
Speaker 1: I just lie about that? But then it was too
Speaker 1: late to be like, I'm sorry, I just lied. You know,
Speaker 1: my brain was just like behind like and then it
Speaker 1: like I found out that this girl was like her
Speaker 1: dad is like a very successful person in the entertainment business,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this girl knows some hair extensions when
Speaker 1: she sees them.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, oh my gosh, I love a dumb lie.
Speaker 5: Give me the dumb line's funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would have been great if you'd followed up
Speaker 4: with just kidding.
Speaker 1: Exact kidding.
Speaker 5: I feel like I can count on one hand the
Speaker 5: experiences I've had with people who have said something then
Speaker 5: they're like.
Speaker 1: Actually, that's a lie.
Speaker 5: I don't know why I just said that, and then
Speaker 5: they continue on with the conversation. But there's something like
Speaker 5: I respect them so much in that moment for the
Speaker 5: fact that you just caught yourself saying something you don't
Speaker 5: know why you said it, and then you just adjusted
Speaker 5: and admitted it right away and kept going. I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 5: that is clean energy. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I love it. It is and that's why I look back
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why couldn't I have been that girl
Speaker 1: in that moment?
Speaker 5: Well, because it's awkward and like it's so hard to
Speaker 5: who has that instinct?
Speaker 1: It's hard.
Speaker 3: It's also so weird when your mouth speaks words and
Speaker 3: you go, why did my brain do that? And in
Speaker 3: front of a stranger, or you're going to be like
Speaker 3: I just short circuited and said something that wasn't true,
Speaker 3: Like that's awful. It's like for me anyway, Like the
Speaker 3: immediate feeling of like what just happened is the reason
Speaker 3: I can't get over it and be smart.
Speaker 1: Enough to be like just.
Speaker 3: Kidding, ah, Like I'm panicking that something's wrong with.
Speaker 1: Me, Like yeah, yeah, listen.
Speaker 4: I like the idea of carrying back months, months, years later,
Speaker 4: be like, hey, hey, can we address something right?
Speaker 5: I was wearing hair extensions.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I open pray This girl is
Speaker 1: is a drama Queen's fan and listens to this podcast
Speaker 1: because god, oh my god, I.
Speaker 3: I want that. I want that, Okay, Well, aside from
Speaker 3: maybe denying what's in your hair? Uh, what is one
Speaker 3: thing you will never do again?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is such a good segue dye
Speaker 1: my hair because oh I'm like deathly allergic to hair dye.
Speaker 1: It turns out what yes, Oh my god, you guys.
Speaker 1: I found this out working on I don't even know
Speaker 1: like how much I could in a makeup trailer somewhere
Speaker 1: and we'll North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Wait, I feel like I remember this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had like a crazy reaction. Yeah, yes, And
Speaker 1: I never dyed my hair before, and they were like,
Speaker 1: my hair's already really dark, but they were like, we
Speaker 1: wanted to be jet black. And I was like, cool,
Speaker 1: I've never dyed my hair, but like, let's go. That
Speaker 1: sounds great. I'm all about it. And yeah, and like
Speaker 1: it basically was one of those things where the people
Speaker 1: at Urgent Care were like, here's a bunch of steroids,
Speaker 1: but next time, urchin can might be like anphylectic with
Speaker 1: this and you should, oh my god, never do this again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, did you find out what the product was
Speaker 5: and what was in it? Like, could you do a
Speaker 5: vegan hair dyes there if you wanted to? I mean,
Speaker 5: isn't there options? Aren't there options?
Speaker 1: There's Okay, there is something now that's new that I
Speaker 1: haven't tried yet, but it's basically I'm allergic to the
Speaker 1: thing it's in Hennah, it's in like all the natural
Speaker 1: hair dyes. It's called PPD. It's like this chemical that's
Speaker 1: it's the thing that opens up the hair follicle so
Speaker 1: that it can't Yeah, so it's like, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: wild times. But I mean, Hillary, you're my inspiration. You're
Speaker 1: you're rocking, rocking it. It is beautiful. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: right there with you. Just can't Whre's what I found.
Speaker 4: There's a very different group of people that pay you
Speaker 4: compliments in public when you just like go for it,
Speaker 4: and it's it's always surprising. You're like there was a
Speaker 4: old man who was the waiter in a restaurant I
Speaker 4: took George to the other day and he like wanted
Speaker 4: to sit down at the table. Oh, and I was like,
Speaker 4: no one has ever.
Speaker 1: Been this friendly with me before.
Speaker 4: This is fantastic. So it's it's just a different kind
Speaker 4: of different kind of energy you're putting out, But you don't, baby,
Speaker 4: you look so fantastic. I just I want to know
Speaker 4: who was assigned to take you to urgent care because
Speaker 4: you were a kid in a place where you didn't
Speaker 4: live and you're having this reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it was Carrie from Hair Like
Speaker 1: I remember her being at like, I don't think she
Speaker 1: took me like I think I went in like a transpo,
Speaker 1: but I remember because she was like, I've never seen
Speaker 1: this before, and I was like, well, that's because you're
Speaker 1: a professional.
Speaker 3: It's so scary.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Yeah, it was crazy. I was lucky
Speaker 1: it wasn't like worse. But I was like, Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I guess you know, I don't have to spend three
Speaker 1: hundred bucks every time I go get a haircut. They
Speaker 1: just like trim my hair and then I leave.
Speaker 4: You know, so you've got naturally beautiful hair.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you. And I am not wearing
Speaker 1: hair extensions today, I swear to God.
Speaker 5: Okay, what is the strangest purchase you've made or almost made?
Speaker 1: The strangest purchase? Ooh, I mean, I I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's strange, but it's like super inconvenient. I had
Speaker 1: a huge phase at the beginning of my music career
Speaker 1: where like every time I traveled to a new destination,
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to buy like something from
Speaker 1: a house because I was also like moving into my
Speaker 1: first apartment. So I was like, I like went way
Speaker 1: too hard. You know. It was like literally the trailer
Speaker 1: for our gear on our tour bus was also filled
Speaker 1: with like antiques. I was in like Iowa, and I
Speaker 1: was like, these anti shores are way better than the
Speaker 1: ones in La.
Speaker 5: Like that's totally what would be on my tour vest.
Speaker 5: That's so funny.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes see so if we ever, if we ever
Speaker 1: toured together, joy it will be it will just be
Speaker 1: the antiques road show. An antiques roadshow, yes literally.
Speaker 4: And then you could put all the furniture in the
Speaker 4: chateau that we're gonna go fundme. Yes, guys, this is
Speaker 4: this is shaping up nicely. I'm ready, so ready for it.
Speaker 4: Number twelve, Who are your favorite writers?
Speaker 1: My favorite writers? Oh my goodness. I I mean like
Speaker 1: as a musician, I mean I gotta you know, this
Speaker 1: is like pretty obviously I gotta go like Lennon and
Speaker 1: McCartney for sure. Like okay, you know, Deny, I had
Speaker 1: I had an independent study my freshman year of college
Speaker 1: where my professor my textbook was just the Beatles song
Speaker 1: book and he was like, just study what these guys do,
Speaker 1: like their their geniuses, you know, and and so yeah,
Speaker 1: like I think there's such a there's such kind of
Speaker 1: for me, like art is about like humans telling other
Speaker 1: humans what it means to be human, you know, and
Speaker 1: that I feel like they just like nailed that so simply,
Speaker 1: so beautifully. But like writers, writers, I mean, I love
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever read Stephen Pressfield The War of Art? Oh? Great,
Speaker 1: it's incredible. It's so good. It's like I love his writing.
Speaker 1: Like How He Is is a fiction or nonfiction nonfiction, it's
Speaker 1: like basically it's kind of about like how to get
Speaker 1: out of your own way as a creative, which I
Speaker 1: am in my own way like constantly when I'm creating.
Speaker 1: And it is one of those books that I feel
Speaker 1: like I want to read like once a quarter because
Speaker 1: it's short, but it's so good, Like he gets to
Speaker 1: the heart of it, Like is that, like Sophie said,
Speaker 1: you've read it? Yeah, yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful, it's really inspiring, and I I love that,
Speaker 3: you know, he was inspired by reading Wow Zoo. The
Speaker 3: Art of was like imagine like this notion that he
Speaker 3: kind of couldn't get over the idea of well making
Speaker 3: making art is a war in and of itself, and
Speaker 3: like how do you do that in your in your
Speaker 3: own being? Like how do you? Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's really really inspiring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a good one. It's a it's one
Speaker 1: for the books for sure. Like it's just a it's
Speaker 1: an MVP for me.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, I love that. Okay, thirteen a little bit
Speaker 3: of a pivot. What is your greatest regret?
Speaker 1: Getting deep? Guys, Yeah, we're going dark, Kate, It's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm an artist, I'm a songwriter, Like yeah, honey,
Speaker 1: Like well, I mean there's definitely some regrettable outfits from
Speaker 1: like the times, like two thousand and eight outfits, I'm
Speaker 1: for sure make the list.
Speaker 6: We were all there, it was it was like cool,
Speaker 6: I guess that's what everyone was wearing. You know, every
Speaker 6: time I put leggings on my five year old so
Speaker 6: that she can wear a skirt.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what were we doing?
Speaker 1: Why did we is about five year olds?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we absolutely did. I yeah that, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I'm glad to know I'm not alone that like
Speaker 1: everybody else feels that way. But oh yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like I mean, on a more like serious note as
Speaker 1: far as regrets go, Like I would just say, and
Speaker 1: I'm curious if if you guys feel this way too.
Speaker 1: I think every every woman in you know, in entertainment
Speaker 1: but just in general, probably feels this way to some degree.
Speaker 1: Like I wish I had trusted myself more, like just
Speaker 1: cultivated a little bit more of instead of thinking that
Speaker 1: like a bunch of dudes in positions of power like
Speaker 1: knew better than me what was right for me, whether
Speaker 1: it was like career wise or you know, like do
Speaker 1: you speak that way?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, every day.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And we were talking about this the last time
Speaker 3: the three of us gathered together, this idea that you
Speaker 3: have to go through all these things to become the
Speaker 3: person that you are. And it's really interesting to hold
Speaker 3: I think two things true. Right, That you regret that
Speaker 3: you got pushed around or didn't trust your gut, and
Speaker 3: that the things you went through made you exactly who
Speaker 3: you are. Because when you hit the moment where you
Speaker 3: say it's me and what I know that I trust, like,
Speaker 3: it's a priceless place.
Speaker 1: To arrive at.
Speaker 3: But yeah, OI like it's hard to it's hard to
Speaker 3: hold those two things true simultaneously.
Speaker 1: I think you're so right. You're so right. It is
Speaker 1: it's both of those at once. And you wouldn't be
Speaker 1: where you are now if it wasn't for all those
Speaker 1: experiences and stuff. But and I do think it's one
Speaker 1: of those things unfortunately, Like I think I'm learning that
Speaker 1: learning to trust yourself is something you can't just like
Speaker 1: put somebody through a crash course and teach them in
Speaker 1: school or whatever like you have to. It's it's like
Speaker 1: it's living life, you know, it's the journey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but your experience in the music industry, you know,
Speaker 4: when we're talking about people telling us what to do
Speaker 4: from the TV side of things, like there is a
Speaker 4: department that tells us what to wear, there is a
Speaker 4: department that tells us how to do our hair and makeup,
Speaker 4: There is a department that tells us what to say.
Speaker 4: There's a department that tells us where to stand in
Speaker 4: the industry. Who were the voices that were influencing the
Speaker 4: decisions you were making?
Speaker 5: Great questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's less like I feel like it's less
Speaker 1: sort of obvious than in TV because it is a
Speaker 1: lot more And Joey, I don't know if you feel
Speaker 1: this way, like it's a lot more fluid. It's kind
Speaker 1: of it's a lot less like structured, you know, the
Speaker 1: music business. But I mean there were guys in my
Speaker 1: band who I had hired, who like would tell me
Speaker 1: I remember this guy that I'd hired literally like said
Speaker 1: to me, oh, well, you know, I think, like, you know,
Speaker 1: Gibson was going to give me a free guitar because
Speaker 1: I was playing, you know, all these songs on the
Speaker 1: show and TV and you know, on on the road
Speaker 1: and stuff. And he was like, well, you're not you know, really,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're really a good enough guitar
Speaker 1: player for like this kind of guitar. So maybe you
Speaker 1: want to get like, you know, low version, you know,
Speaker 1: like stuff like though, yes, And I'm like, why didn't
Speaker 1: we just I heard this guy on the spot like
Speaker 1: what a clown? Yeah? But instead I'm like this kid
Speaker 1: you know from Ohio little like people. Oh no, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, I guess I guess you're right.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should just you know. So it's stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But it's people in people at the label, people songwriters
Speaker 1: and producers. And by the way, I've also I've been
Speaker 1: lucky to work with so many amazing you know, guys
Speaker 1: and girls, but you know men like who are incredible,
Speaker 1: who like it, empowered me and propped me up and
Speaker 1: really helped me kind of find my voice. But there
Speaker 1: were definitely a share of people, you know, who thought
Speaker 1: they should weigh in on stuff where you're.
Speaker 4: Like maybe not, yeah, no, no, the scales are full here,
Speaker 4: we don't want your weight.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also think it's really interesting because we've talked
Speaker 3: a lot about this, like the great male friendships in
Speaker 3: our life versus the ones who we'd love to like,
Speaker 3: you know, shoot into the atmosphere and space canon. And
Speaker 3: I think there's really something too. When you have healthy
Speaker 3: relationships and you see the dynamics of those, you can
Speaker 3: spot what's not healthy. And in communities, you know, particularly
Speaker 3: in music, film, TV that are so male dominated, you
Speaker 3: see the way that guy would never talk to any
Speaker 3: of the men in the room the way he talked
Speaker 3: to you, but he'll talk to you that way, and
Speaker 3: you see how the dynamics are different. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: even with the World Cup, everybody talking about what happened
Speaker 3: to Jenny Hermoso, and it's like the head of the
Speaker 3: Spanish Soccer Federation never would have grabbed a male soccer
Speaker 3: player by the face and tried to open mouth kiss him,
Speaker 3: like it just wouldn't have happened. And so it's a
Speaker 3: really it's an interesting thing to learn how to navigate
Speaker 3: the reality of the dynamics we experience and take them
Speaker 3: seriously and also not be like irritated all the time.
Speaker 3: You because you have to figure out how to enjoy
Speaker 3: your life, and you're also supposed to be charming and
Speaker 3: you can't be negative.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's like.
Speaker 3: We have to juggle all these that they just don't
Speaker 3: have to juggle, and it's wild.
Speaker 1: It's wild. Yeah, it's absolutely, absolutely wild. Like yeah, I
Speaker 1: but it's definitely. Yeah, it's like inspiring to see how
Speaker 1: other women navigate it. And because yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's like you can't let them, you know, you can't
Speaker 1: just sort of say like, okay, well I guess I'm
Speaker 1: just you know, gonna resign myself to whatever now because
Speaker 1: this is the reality. It's like, no, we have to
Speaker 1: work to change that. And you know, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a lot of work, but it's yeah, it's worth it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's how would.
Speaker 5: You practically have done that? Differently in a way that
Speaker 5: felt like you were being honoring to yourself but not
Speaker 5: I guess, well, I don't know. I mean, what's the
Speaker 5: what's the way to be able to handle situations like
Speaker 5: that when you feel young and intimidated and you want
Speaker 5: to do things the right way, but you also want
Speaker 5: to honor yourself and your own art, but you also
Speaker 5: want to take advice. I mean, that's that's such a
Speaker 5: tough balance to strike. How do you feel like you
Speaker 5: would have done it differently?
Speaker 1: That's such a good question because you're right, like you
Speaker 1: don't want to overcorrect and then be like I'm the
Speaker 1: boss here, you know, I know what's best because I
Speaker 1: was really green, like in a lot of ways, it
Speaker 1: was like some of my first tours and you're so like,
Speaker 1: I was so young. There was a lot to learn
Speaker 1: from other people. But I think it would have been
Speaker 1: I think like I wish I would have sort of
Speaker 1: been able to take a step back and ask myself,
Speaker 1: like who am I taking advice from? And you know,
Speaker 1: do I want to be? You know, I think there's
Speaker 1: that some sort of quote that has language about like
Speaker 1: don't take advice from people who you know whose life
Speaker 1: you don't want or who you don't want to sort
Speaker 1: of yeah, like or you don't respect or whatever. And
Speaker 1: so I think I just wish I would have sort
Speaker 1: of been less afraid to take up space and sort
Speaker 1: of claim my seat at the table, as like, you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I was like, it
Speaker 1: is my name on the side of this bus, and
Speaker 1: I did, you know, work really hard and you know,
Speaker 1: drive around, you know, in my parents minivan to play
Speaker 1: a billion shows and high school and stuff to get
Speaker 1: to this point. And so I think it would have
Speaker 1: just it would have been cool to sort of I
Speaker 1: wish I would have just understood that I had the
Speaker 1: authority to sort of make certain decisions. And but I
Speaker 1: think that there is a real people pleasing tendency, especially
Speaker 1: like being from the Midwest, there's such a sort of
Speaker 1: like self deprecating, people pleasing you know, culture around like well,
Speaker 1: I'm just here for whatever, Like I'm okay with anything.
Speaker 1: What do you guys want to do? Like my husband jokes,
Speaker 1: they're like trying to decide what to order for dinner.
Speaker 1: Hanging out with our family is like a nightmare because
Speaker 1: we're all like, whatever, yeah, whatever you want, What do
Speaker 1: you want?
Speaker 5: What do you want? What do you want?
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly so? But but you're right, Joy, it's a
Speaker 1: hard needle to thread, like because you want to go
Speaker 1: in with a humility that really is open to absorbing
Speaker 1: the you know, advice and experience of other people who
Speaker 1: do know better than you, but also like a trust
Speaker 1: in yourself just knowing like I'm okay right where I am,
Speaker 1: even if I'm not. Like, just because you're not the
Speaker 1: best yet doesn't mean you don't belong you know. That
Speaker 1: was like the thing I wish I would have sort
Speaker 1: of been hipped to.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: That took a while to cate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, well, the actual question I was supposed to
Speaker 5: ask you what's is? What's something you really dislike? It
Speaker 5: sounds like it's bad.
Speaker 1: I mean definitely for sure, like immature dudes thinking they
Speaker 1: know and telling you how. It is definitely at the
Speaker 1: top of the list.
Speaker 5: So annoying.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love a good just question back, like, could
Speaker 5: you clarify that? What do you mean by that?
Speaker 4: I was gonna say I found I got to hot
Speaker 4: by an older chick. She's like, just ask why, right,
Speaker 4: Because if someone tells you something condescending, like you shouldn't
Speaker 4: be playing that guitar, right, they're throwing down a gallet.
Speaker 4: And when you say why, you're not being a bitch, right,
Speaker 4: you're not really challenging it. You're just curious. Tell me
Speaker 4: more about that. And nine times out of ten people
Speaker 4: will walk it back. They'll be like, you know what,
Speaker 4: never mind, ignore me, you do you? But if they
Speaker 4: have a legitimate reason why, that's when they elaborate. And
Speaker 4: so sometimes just asking people why is a great tool.
Speaker 1: It's a good tool. That why such a good yeah,
Speaker 1: just like just to just kind of yeah, it puts
Speaker 1: them on the spot, but not in a way that's
Speaker 1: like rude or combative. Yeah, and not combative at all,
Speaker 1: but that it goes back.
Speaker 5: To the curiosity that you were talking about. If you're
Speaker 5: just curious, like huh, I'm And also you know that
Speaker 5: there's the humility in that too of what you were
Speaker 5: saying that you want to be open to. Maybe I'm
Speaker 5: not seeing everything that I don't see all sides of
Speaker 5: the picture, so I'm interested why. So yeah, if they
Speaker 5: have a good reason, it's it would be nice to
Speaker 5: hear it anyway, And if they don't, then they'll probably
Speaker 5: back off.
Speaker 1: Kick rocks. Good.
Speaker 4: All right, we're going to crawl out of darkness. Now
Speaker 4: we're getting out. Number fifteen is what or who is
Speaker 4: the greatest love of your life?
Speaker 1: That yes, definitely crawling out of darkness. I mean my husband,
Speaker 1: Brett and my dog coming in at a close second,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, he's I met him. I think I
Speaker 1: met him like right towards the tail end of you know,
Speaker 1: when I was living in Wilmington and stuff, and so
Speaker 1: I know he's like he was in Paris last time
Speaker 1: we were there. Joy and so y'all have met and
Speaker 1: I think, like I can't remember at different times. It's
Speaker 1: been so long. We've been together almost fifteen years.
Speaker 4: How did you guys meet?
Speaker 1: We met through He runs a nonprofit and we met
Speaker 1: through that because we had a mutual friend who was
Speaker 1: working with him on the nonprofit, and he was my
Speaker 1: friend from music. He's a musician, and he was Brett's
Speaker 1: friend from lacrosse because at the time Brett was playing
Speaker 1: professional lacrosse, which honestly I didn't even know existed, because
Speaker 1: I'm like the least already athletic reson ever lived. I
Speaker 1: wish I was. But yeah, so that that was how
Speaker 1: we met. And he came to one of my shows,
Speaker 1: and just like he was so different than any other
Speaker 1: guy that I had ever dated, Like I'd always dated
Speaker 1: kind of like introspective, like artsy types and like good people.
Speaker 1: But but like, I don't know if you guys ever
Speaker 1: experienced this, but I had a boyfriend for part of
Speaker 1: the time that I was working, you know, in TV,
Speaker 1: who was like really jealous about the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: you have like a TV boyfriend and that you're like
Speaker 1: someone else on TV, which is so when it's your job,
Speaker 1: Like it's so silly because you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: how do I explain to you that this is work?
Speaker 1: But but and I get it, like it's I'm sure
Speaker 1: for some people who aren't working in that space, it's
Speaker 1: not ideal. But my husband was just like he was
Speaker 1: so just down to hang. He's very much like he's
Speaker 1: sure of himself. He always like lifted me up, supported
Speaker 1: my dreams, and yeah, like just it's so easy, you know,
Speaker 1: and such a relief to just be like.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great way to describe your my partner's
Speaker 4: a relief. Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 1: That's so nice. Yeah, it's a gift for sure to
Speaker 1: have that like it is. It is. It's a relief.
Speaker 1: It's like a breath of fresh air. Like whoa, thank God,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Okay, that sort of segues beautifully into the next question,
Speaker 3: which is when and where were you happiest. Oh, maybe
Speaker 3: it has to do with with.
Speaker 1: More of this. Yeah, like gosh, I mean I think
Speaker 1: I have to say, like, I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm probably the happiest I've ever been now in you know,
Speaker 1: in the season I'm in Like we yeah, like we
Speaker 1: got a dog finally during lockdown and stuff because we
Speaker 1: weren't traveling as much and we're just like those those
Speaker 1: dog parents who don't have kid yet, who are just
Speaker 1: like have meat snacks by our nightstand and everything she
Speaker 1: wants she is. But yeah, like my whole family was
Speaker 1: out here in LA for the holidays and it was
Speaker 1: like one of those beautiful La sunsets, and we all
Speaker 1: went down to the beach and brought our dog and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is it, man, this
Speaker 1: is where it's at. Like it doesn't get better, you know,
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I feel I feel super super grateful
Speaker 1: to be able to say that, like just yeah, cool.
Speaker 5: Love which talent would you most like to have.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I feel like I would probably pick
Speaker 1: something that's super opposite of like I got all the
Speaker 1: artsy things and none of the you know, like practical ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the like, no one is going to want to
Speaker 1: pick me for their team for whatever the game. It
Speaker 1: is not even close to being my forte. Like I
Speaker 1: would probably have to say something like surfing, because there's
Speaker 1: absolutely no circumstance under which that is something that that's
Speaker 1: actually probably something I should have said for like something
Speaker 1: you'll never do again, because uh, Brett surfs a little bit.
Speaker 1: And you know, we had some friends I was designing
Speaker 1: sunglasses for Oakley, like a long time ago, and a
Speaker 1: bunch of like the friends who were a part of that,
Speaker 1: Like heng were these women who are professional surfers and
Speaker 1: they're like the coolest people, like so much cooler than
Speaker 1: I could ever hope to be. And you know, I
Speaker 1: remember being like like having a couple drinks and saying
Speaker 1: to bro, like, do you wish that I was cool
Speaker 1: like them?
Speaker 5: And prevent.
Speaker 1: You know, you wish that I was an athlete? And
Speaker 1: he's like, what are you like, honey?
Speaker 6: You know how that I don't know, I know exactly
Speaker 6: what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: I feel that way about motorcycle chicks. Oh yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh they look cool. I'm not cool, but I do
Speaker 4: you want me to be cool? No? The answer is no,
Speaker 4: just no.
Speaker 1: Oh right, but that's always a thought that you know.
Speaker 1: But then he's like, Okay, do you want me to be, like,
Speaker 1: you know, an amazing singer songwriter? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: of course not so, of course not. I'm like absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Only one person in this relationship is telling the story
Speaker 1: of the fights, and it's gonna be me. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: perfect obsessed.
Speaker 4: I like that. Okay, if you could change one thing
Speaker 4: about yourself, what would it be.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's gotta be related to like my perfectionism,
Speaker 1: you know, totally weigh too hard on myself. Like so,
Speaker 1: so it's something that I feel like I'm getting better at.
Speaker 1: Like actually, I like did a big intensive French learning
Speaker 1: journey this like these past five years, but really just
Speaker 1: this past year, I like went crazy and did this
Speaker 1: sprint to get this diploma. It's like a nerdy a
Speaker 1: language nerd thing, but it's like a diploma proficiency in
Speaker 1: the language. And it was such a good lesson for
Speaker 1: me in helping to temper my perfectionism because like, because
Speaker 1: it's literally impossible to be perfect at learning a second language,
Speaker 1: like you sound like an idiot for like a long time,
Speaker 1: and you'll never be perfect at it, right because you
Speaker 1: can't ever substitute growing up as something being like your
Speaker 1: mother tongue or whatever. So that has helped me chip
Speaker 1: away at it, but it is still just like I
Speaker 1: used to cry and when I was a kid and
Speaker 1: I would color outside of the lines and coloring books
Speaker 1: like such a no. Yeah, so that I wish I
Speaker 1: could be more like give myself more space to be
Speaker 1: bad at something or to mess up, or to to
Speaker 1: make a mistake or to lie about wearing hair extensions.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel that in my bones, in my bones.
Speaker 1: It's as an artist, right, Like why is that so
Speaker 1: common for so many of us?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Okay, Well, we're gonna we're gonna go positive.
Speaker 3: And the next question is what do you consider to
Speaker 3: be your greatest achievement?
Speaker 1: Oh, greatest achievement? Man? Well, and it's so funny because
Speaker 1: it's so hard for me to even like say that
Speaker 1: I achieve something like, you know, because.
Speaker 3: I'm so because you're a perfectionist.
Speaker 1: Self deprecating, Like my friends call me self deprecate, like Kate,
Speaker 1: because they're like, you really need just to cool it.
Speaker 1: They'll like, but I think, you know, I I would
Speaker 1: have to say, like, probably just being able to get
Speaker 1: out of my own way enough to share the art
Speaker 1: that like that I wanted to share, you know, and
Speaker 1: to sort of navigate through some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: was a real challenge in order to get to a
Speaker 1: place where I was able to, you know, say what
Speaker 1: I wanted to say artistically and share it with people
Speaker 1: who hopefully, you know, we were able to like find
Speaker 1: it inspiring or whatever. Like I really it's the most
Speaker 1: meaningful thing in the world to me. When like I
Speaker 1: hear from someone that like my song helped them or
Speaker 1: you know, that it inspired them or something like that
Speaker 1: is something I always wanted. I always wanted to be
Speaker 1: on the other side of that. When I was a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, listening to music that helped me like navigate
Speaker 1: the stuff I was going through my life. I was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: if I could just be the person that someone says
Speaker 1: that to someday, you know, if somebody yeah in person,
Speaker 1: and so that is probably yeah, I would probab I say,
Speaker 1: that feels like my greatest achievement. Like it really feels
Speaker 1: good to feel like you contributed something, even in a
Speaker 1: very very small way, you know, to helping somebody satter day.
Speaker 4: Your me Too song, Like that was such a time
Speaker 4: because every day you'd wake up and be like, what
Speaker 4: am I going to see about myself in the media?
Speaker 4: And it was I was pregnant and like hormonal anyway,
Speaker 4: and it was such an awful time. And you put
Speaker 4: out that me Too song that was so angry and
Speaker 4: it felt so good and I was just so proud
Speaker 4: of you, but also like relieved that someone else was
Speaker 4: saying the words that I didn't necessarily have the ability
Speaker 4: to articulate. That was like that was perfect timing and
Speaker 4: the perfect song.
Speaker 1: Thank you? That is that is so meaningful in so
Speaker 1: many ways. I mean, I you know, it was a
Speaker 1: it was a wild time like all of us. It
Speaker 1: was like it you know, was really and it was
Speaker 1: so like there was such an onslaught of just yeah,
Speaker 1: of like panicking of like what's going to happen and
Speaker 1: who's going to say what? And who's going to be
Speaker 1: mad at me? And you know all this stuff. But
Speaker 1: That's always been my That's always been the way I've
Speaker 1: been able to be the most honest is writing songs
Speaker 1: because I'm like a you know, like a socially awkward
Speaker 1: introvert who you know and so, but that is that
Speaker 1: it's so meaningful. So thank you so much for saying that.
Speaker 1: That was That was definitely that was probably one of
Speaker 1: the most honest songs I've written to date. That was
Speaker 1: was no no bs there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the truth. Belt you after all of your achievements. Okay,
Speaker 5: you die and you get to come back as a
Speaker 5: person or a thing? What do you what is it
Speaker 5: going to be.
Speaker 1: A person or a thing? Oh my god? No, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I should have some answer. That's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: No, there's no pressure, no expectation.
Speaker 1: Who made a massive difference in the world, you know,
Speaker 1: But this is like probably lame. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you guys are fans of Nate and Jeremiah.
Speaker 3: From The Biggest.
Speaker 1: Just like I just I would like to come back
Speaker 1: as them as a couple, as a family obviously, like
Speaker 1: their children are beautiful, all of it, all of it. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: The way they mood board Oh the way Poppy picks
Speaker 3: out when.
Speaker 4: We're talking about you, guys, I live in a cave Nate.
Speaker 3: Burg Is and Jeremiah Brent, who are two of the
Speaker 3: greatest interior designers that are married.
Speaker 4: All right, y'all are talking about like y'all are first
Speaker 4: name Yeah, and I'm like, Nate, who did I'm Nate
Speaker 4: burg O.
Speaker 1: My god, it's okay.
Speaker 3: I can't wait for us to get a chateau. You
Speaker 3: need to have them come do it.
Speaker 4: I thought you two are on a first name basis.
Speaker 1: No, we're definitely not. We are definitely not. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I just said it like that, but but
Speaker 1: maybe we will be on it maybe some day manifesting.
Speaker 4: It right, Yeah, and when they ask you about your extensions,
Speaker 4: you'll be honest ill, those guys were do you have
Speaker 4: something in your life that is just so easy that
Speaker 4: you know it's where you belong?
Speaker 1: I mean I think this is a big noe dah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think, you know, writing music and singing
Speaker 1: for sure is is the top of the It's so
Speaker 1: just like I don't know. I always was like people
Speaker 1: wouldn't know it because I've really like grown a lot
Speaker 1: from just forcing myself to be on stage in front
Speaker 1: of a bunch of people for the beast like fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty years of my life. But I was like a
Speaker 1: very shy kid, like no one would have thought like, oh,
Speaker 1: Kate definitely wants to be the center of attention, you know,
Speaker 1: definitely not not my vibe at all. But something about
Speaker 1: like when I'm in the middle of singing a song
Speaker 1: on stage, like I can do that, you know, like
Speaker 1: I can totally do that. I can sing in front
Speaker 1: of people. I can I can write a song, you know,
Speaker 1: and I can say so much more writing a song
Speaker 1: than I can, you know, sometimes just in an honest
Speaker 1: conversation or I'm trying to get better at that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I guess that is a little
Speaker 1: bit of a no dub, but it Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: feels like, you know, where I can do my thing
Speaker 1: without feeling like, you know, the noise of the world
Speaker 1: doesn't really like interfere or something.
Speaker 4: Well, does this seem like a natural place for you to,
Speaker 4: I don't know, make an announcement.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes it does. Actually, it feels perfect,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm really excited that this is just it's
Speaker 1: really really fun to be announcing this on I just
Speaker 1: kind of like had this thought last minute this because
Speaker 1: the timing is crazy. So basically I, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm like nervous. It's like, well, so okay. So we've
Speaker 1: been working on this for three years, and so it
Speaker 1: feels like so crazy to be announcing it to the world.
Speaker 1: But I felt like the fans of our show, who
Speaker 1: we won't name, but the Drama Queens fans are the
Speaker 1: best fans and the best fans of the world, the
Speaker 1: best fans in the entire world, a mixing, most supportive crew,
Speaker 1: and so I felt like they all deserve to be
Speaker 1: the first to know. So I have a new band
Speaker 1: with Mike Grubs from Waki Waki from our show, and
Speaker 1: Grubs and I have been working on this new band
Speaker 1: for three years and we are finally ready to start
Speaker 1: sharing this music with everybody. The band is called Your
Speaker 1: Future Ghost and it's so much fun. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like the dirty indie rock album we've always wanted to make.
Speaker 4: My god, I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited.
Speaker 4: I'm so red, Like I really want to be back
Speaker 4: at that warehouse that we used to hang out in
Speaker 4: all the time which shall not be named in this Yes,
Speaker 4: but I just want us to be back there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're playing together.
Speaker 3: When do we get music, Kate?
Speaker 1: I okay, so I'm going to send you guys, I
Speaker 1: think I maybe did. I'm going to send you a
Speaker 1: secret link to hear some of it, just because I'm
Speaker 1: so excited for my friends to hear this. But I
Speaker 1: think we are like very close to being ready to
Speaker 1: share music to the point where like when this airs,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure when it's, but like we might even
Speaker 1: have a pre save for a single. Yeah, but we are,
Speaker 1: like we have a little sign up on our website
Speaker 1: for to be the first to know when everything drops
Speaker 1: just your future ghost dot com. And uh yeah, our
Speaker 1: like our insta is just your future Ghost.
Speaker 4: I'm following that, yeah right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so excited you guys. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for letting me share this with with these amazing listeners,
Speaker 1: these wonderful fans. First, because I've been like bursting at
Speaker 1: the seams every time we've been, you know, making music.
Speaker 1: Every time we write a new song, We're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't wait to tell everybody. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're and we're ready to go it's uh, it's
Speaker 1: really fun. It's like fun music in a way that
Speaker 1: I don't know. I felt like we both just like
Speaker 1: have permission to be like and to say and to
Speaker 1: like make the type of music that you know, we
Speaker 1: really that neither of us really had figured out how
Speaker 1: to do like on our own, and so I can't
Speaker 1: wait for you.
Speaker 4: So I just want to say right now, I just
Speaker 4: followed you on Instagram. There, you guys are only following
Speaker 4: one person and you have three followers right now. You're
Speaker 4: about to have four and five followers right now for it.
Speaker 4: And I feel real snobby that we have gotten in
Speaker 4: at the jump here.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to end. I think the only person
Speaker 1: we're following is Popeye's Chicken, because there was like stop
Speaker 1: and it is pop Eyes is true? That is true.
Speaker 1: The good sandwich, you know I got.
Speaker 5: I love that you got five followers.
Speaker 1: Now, thank you for sharing that with us.
Speaker 4: I mean when you texted us that you wanted to
Speaker 4: share it on the show, we all were pomped. Oh,
Speaker 4: you guys know, it's fun that we get to all
Speaker 4: celebrate each other this many years out from working together.
Speaker 4: You know, we always want to make a big deal
Speaker 4: out of each other's accomplishments.
Speaker 1: It is it's so well, it means so much to me,
Speaker 1: and I know Grubs feels the same way, like that,
Speaker 1: you know, the connection and we you know, we ran
Speaker 1: in some of the same circles, but we connected through
Speaker 1: you know that the whole community and this this like
Speaker 1: it really is special. How just supportive and you know,
Speaker 1: like it's it's such a wonderful group people. And I
Speaker 1: feel like it's just I feel like even more connected
Speaker 1: to everybody and excited about, you know, then than when
Speaker 1: we were all working together, because there was like there
Speaker 1: was some crazy stuff going on, and it just feels
Speaker 1: so it's it's really gratifying, and it's so cool to
Speaker 1: be able to you know, share all of these things
Speaker 1: together and and celebrate all of you Like Hillary, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to read your new book.
Speaker 4: Joy.
Speaker 1: Your Strawberry song is like such a bop. I'm just jamming,
Speaker 1: like I love. I love seeing all the projects that
Speaker 1: you guys are doing too, and it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's the best. It's the best like group of
Speaker 1: cheerleaders for each other, which is really like what the
Speaker 1: world needs more of.
Speaker 5: You know. We have two quick questions left for you.
Speaker 5: Should we throw them out before before we wrap up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can do them like rapid fire.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Question twenty two, I mean, I really do feel like
Speaker 3: we just peaked and I'm thrilled about it. And I
Speaker 3: know We've asked you extra questions, so I'm sorry, but
Speaker 3: we still will get through this list.
Speaker 1: Question twenty two is I.
Speaker 3: Think we know the answer. Where would you most like
Speaker 3: to live?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, the south of it, somewhere our chateau.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 5: And then what is your most treasured possession?
Speaker 1: Ooh, treasure? My most treasured possession. When I got married,
Speaker 1: my mom made me a garter out of pieces of
Speaker 1: her wedding dress, which was like, that's amazing, an amazing,
Speaker 1: beautiful heirloom.
Speaker 4: Yes, I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's the first thing that comes to mind.
Speaker 4: So cool. Good, that's an amazing answer. Your family sounds
Speaker 4: so nice, Kate.
Speaker 1: They are there, they're the best, They're amazing. I love
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There, I don't deserve them. I got there, so you do.
Speaker 5: We don't deserve you. You're so great. Thank you so
Speaker 5: much for joining us and spending time and choosing us
Speaker 5: to be your outlet to make your big announcement. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we love you, we miss you.
Speaker 1: I think about it.
Speaker 3: It's like you you're talking about how much you love
Speaker 3: your family, and I'm like, man, we're so lucky that
Speaker 3: outside of like our you know, actual family circles, we've
Speaker 3: built this big friend family and what's come of it
Speaker 3: and your new project coming out of it and us
Speaker 3: all getting to be together, like, oh my god, this
Speaker 3: is so cool.
Speaker 1: It is it's it's so incredibly cool you guys. I
Speaker 1: can't tell you how much I like, how how much
Speaker 1: I was excited about this, and how fun it is
Speaker 1: to chat with all of you and see you all
Speaker 1: and like just thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 1: This is truly like, this is so much fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, drap A queens, make sure that you're
Speaker 4: following your future ghost go pre save anything you can
Speaker 4: pre save at the moment. And then we all want
Speaker 4: t shirts like We're Merchant. Guys will be getting We're
Speaker 4: merch whorse, we just love it.
Speaker 1: Getting all the swag and all the yes. For sure,
Speaker 1: we will not leave you guys alone about it. We
Speaker 1: are We're so excited. Well, we'll be sending you all
Speaker 1: the all the free your future ghosts to all the yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: we can't wait.
Speaker 4: Awesome, right you guys, there's been another episode of twenty
Speaker 4: three Questions with your Drama Queens. We'll see you next week.
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