1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Blueberg 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: DABAC podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Tuesday, the third of September in London. 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepkeet. 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. The UK halts 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 2: the sale of some arms to Israel over the risk 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 2: of breaking international law. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Cathay Pacific cancels flights after finding a faulty engine part 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: on an air Boss. A three point fifty. 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: Plus Reshaping the World of Work and You study finds 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: that London workers are in the office for just half 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: of the week. 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: The UK will suspend some licenses for arms exports to 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: Israel after concluding the use of British components in Gaza risks, 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: violating international humanitarian law. The decision is a break from 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: allies and covers components used in F sixteen fighter aircraft, helicopters, 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: drones and naval systems, as well as i items that 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: facilitate ground targeting. Britain's Foreign Secretary, David Lamy says it's 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: not a decision that has been taken lightly. 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 3: Israel's actions in Gaza continue to lead to immense loss 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: of civilian life. Israel could reasonably do more to ensure 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: life saving food and medical supplies reach civilians in Gaza. 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: David Lammy says the suspension does not amount to an 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: arms embargo and won't have a material impact on Israel's security. 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: The move was criticized by senior Israeli politicians and comes 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 2: as Prime Minister benjaminette Yiaho faces growing pressure from those 28 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: in his own country to secure a deal to release 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: hostages currently being held by Hamas in Gaza. 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: European officials say that they expect Iran to deliver ballistic 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: missiles to Russia imminently, while Tehran has supplied hundreds of 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: drones to Moscow during its two and a half year 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: war in Ukraine. Sources tell Bloomberg that this would be 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: a worrying development in the conflict. Ballistic missiles typically fly 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: much faster than cruise missiles or drones, and can carry 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: larger payloads. The US and other NATO allies have repeatedly 37 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: warned around against such a move, and are pressing ahead 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: with diplomatic efforts to prevent it from happening. 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: Cathay Pacific has canceled almost all of its scheduled flights 40 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: from Hong Kong to Singapore today due to inspections. A 41 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: raft of other services are also being scrapped after the 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: discovery of a faulty engine component on some of the 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: airlines Airbus A three fifty jets. The first failing part 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: was on earthed on Monday on a plane heading to Zurich. 45 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's transport reporter Danny Lee says concern is now building 46 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: across the sector. 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 4: The concern now is if Cathay's having these issues, does 48 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 4: this extend to other Airbus A three fifty operators, and 49 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 4: there are many of this which are in Asia and 50 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: across the. 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: World Bloomberg Danny Lee, speaking there, Cathay says that has 52 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: canceled forty eight flights, including return legs. There is Hong 53 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: Kong to Singapore service as a flagship for the airline, 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: which is among the world's biggest operators of the long 55 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: haul A three point fifty. 56 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: Volkswagen is considering factory closures in Germany for the first 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: time in its eighty seven year history. Data from just 58 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: Auto shows analysts determined that the automaker and Piers Delantis 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: and Reno were operating more than thirty factories that they 60 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: considered unprofitable. European car sales are still nearly a fifth 61 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: lower than pre pandemic levels, but Volkswagen's CFO Arno Antletz 62 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: has told Bloomberg that the firm is performing well despite 63 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: headwinds after its quarterly results were released last month. 64 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 5: If you take out some restructuring effects and some one 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 5: of the achieved a seven point six percent margin, which 66 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 5: is likely above our expectations for the quarter in a 67 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 5: difficult environment. And this was only possible based on our 68 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 5: great brands, on great products and obviously a strong, strong 69 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 5: team effort. 70 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: Volkswagen's are no antlets speaking there. The auto giant showed 71 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: that it was shifting into downsizing in July when its 72 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: Audi brand announced plans to cut ninety percent of the 73 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: three thousand workers at a plant in Brussels. Now CEO 74 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: Oliver bloom is working to reverse a loss of market 75 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: share in China, Volkswagen's biggest market. 76 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: Hewlett Packard says it will pursue its four billion dollars 77 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: damages claim in London against the estate of the recently 78 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: deceased British tag tycoon Mike Lynch. As Chris Pez reports, 79 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 2: the decision to move forward puts the company on a 80 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 2: reputational tightrope. 81 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 6: Mike Lynch and his eighteen year old daughter were killed 82 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 6: after a storm struck their yacht last month. His wife, 83 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 6: who was also on board, managed to escape. Now just 84 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 6: over a week after the tragedy, Hewlett Packard says it 85 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 6: plans to continue to seek damages from the civil court 86 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 6: case in the UK that found that Lynch had fraudulently 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 6: boosted the value of his company Autonomy before the US 88 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 6: company purchased it. In the event of death, a UK 89 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 6: civil claim automatically passes to the estate of the defendant, 90 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 6: but the prospect of pursuing the money from Lynch's family 91 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 6: is likely to be deeply unpopular with many in London. 92 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 6: Chris Pitt Bloomberg Radio. 93 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Right Move is working with UBS and Morgan Stanley to 94 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: respond to an unsolicited takeover interest from Aria Group. Sources 95 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: say the UK's biggest property portal is speaking to the 96 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: banks about its next steps. The discussions come after Australia's Aria, 97 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: part of Rupert Murdoch's Empire, said that it's considering a 98 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: possible cash and stock offer for the firm. Shares in 99 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: Right Move stored twenty seven percent on Monday in London, London, 100 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 1: the biggest daily gain on record. Now, in a moment, 101 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: we will discuss mounting Israeli anger over Hamas hostages, and 102 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: in London, a warning about the city's productivity given how 103 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: reluctant workers are to spend days in the office. New 104 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: research out today, But first, this story also caught my eye. 105 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Have you noticed your favorite items on the supermarket being downsized? 106 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 5: Yes? 107 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: I mean I think it's almost impossible to to be honest, 108 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: because it does seem like everything's gotten smaller. But I 109 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: think there's a slight upside of this. We're talking about 110 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: a survey from Barkley's showing that eight and ten shoppers 111 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: say they've been affected by shrainflation. This suits me though 112 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: when it comes to things like sweets, because I would 113 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: rather that the bag of sweets is smaller, so I 114 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: will eat fewer of them. Although I obviously resent paying more, 115 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: it's better. 116 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: For your wasteline. Well, the issue about shrinkflation is yes, 117 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: it is happening, but it's the fact that it's happening 118 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: more than once, and it does particularly affect issues snacks 119 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: like chocolate and biscuits, but supplies apparently are reducing the 120 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: amount the quantity in the bags multiple times and shoppers 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: have noticed. So this also is something that the Berkley 122 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: survey picked up. Anyway, nice bit of consumer news this morning. 123 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: Let's get bringing more now on our top story in 124 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 2: the Foreign Secretary David Lammy has announced the UK government 125 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: to suspending some arms export licenses for exports to Israel. 126 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: It comes as thousands of Israelis demonstrated on Munday in 127 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: a bid to force Prime Minister Banjaminetnia Who's government to 128 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: agree to a ceasefire with the mass and secure the 129 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: release of hostages in Gaza. Joining us now for more 130 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: is our Bloomberg Horizons Middle Eastern Africa anchored Gamanda Versiity Jamana, 131 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: Good morning. What impact. First of all, does this announcement 132 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: from the UK have The Foreign Secretary says it's not 133 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: an arms embargo. 134 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly it. So there are two things to 135 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 7: note here. The first thing is that this is not 136 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 7: an arms embargo. What the UK have announced is they're 137 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 7: looking to hold some arms licenses to Israel and the 138 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 7: justification for that is because of concern about a potential 139 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 7: breach of humanitarian law. But again they have added that 140 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 7: the UK government as of now could not arbitrate on 141 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 7: whether Israel has already breached international humanitarian law. But all 142 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 7: of this would be in anticipation of potentially some of 143 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 7: these arms breaching that law. The second point to note 144 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 7: is that the UK only provides around one percent of 145 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 7: Israel's weapons in totality. You're not talking about a huge 146 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 7: amount of weapons. Are dependents from Israel on UK's weapons 147 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 7: supply versus the US, where you're talking about seventy percent. 148 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 7: So again not significant in terms of actual impact. But 149 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 7: the political messaging is important here because essentially we are 150 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 7: seeing some voices from the international community say that they 151 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 7: want to start applying a bit of pressure on the 152 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 7: Natanyahu government with the actions that are being taken in Gaza, 153 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 7: with the view of course to eventually get to this 154 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 7: ceasefire deal which has been widely talked about the last 155 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 7: couple of weeks, and we can talk about that, but 156 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 7: ultimately this seems to be a political messaging from the 157 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 7: UK government as opposed to one that's going to have 158 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 7: a tax impact. 159 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so shift in the messaging from the UK. I 160 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: mean you mentioned pressure. There is pressure, given protests by 161 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: israelis US pressure. Are we reaching potentially a turning point 162 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: in what has been an eleven month conflict. 163 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 7: I would say internally, we've never seen as much political 164 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 7: pressure on Natanya, who as we saw over the last 165 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 7: couple of days, remember Sunday, after those six hostages were 166 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 7: found killed in the Gaza tunnel, people took to the 167 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 7: streets extremely angry, expressing a lot of frustration against the 168 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 7: Prime Minister and his cabinets, saying that they need to 169 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 7: really focus now on securing the release of the estimated 170 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 7: to be more than one hundred hostages still sitting with 171 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 7: Hamas before it's too late. And then yesterday we saw 172 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 7: another big strike put together by the labor unions. By 173 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 7: the end of the evening a court had ruled that 174 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 7: the strikes had to end because they didn't find any 175 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 7: economic argument for it. But ultimately what we're seeing is 176 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 7: the Prime Minister is standing very defiant that Tanya, who 177 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 7: gave a speech saying yesterday saying that he doesn't want 178 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 7: to make any more concessions, and one of the sticking 179 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 7: points is maintaining that military presence across the Philadelphia Corridor, 180 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 7: that is the border that separates from Egypt, Gaza from Egypt, 181 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 7: I should say, and it is a deal breaker for 182 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 7: both Hamas and Egypt and those discussions, Egypt being one 183 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 7: of the key mediators. So it's difficult to see at 184 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 7: this point where the compromise is going to come from 185 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 7: and if Israel and Natinejou's government are going to accept 186 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 7: to pull back, say fifty or one hundred meters away 187 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 7: from that border to come to a form of an 188 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 7: agreement that's acceptable for all parties involved, in addition to 189 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 7: securing the release of the hostages in exchange for some 190 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 7: of those Palestinian prisoners as well. 191 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: So that's the lass on the negotiations towards some form 192 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: of ceasefire or settlement. Do you wanna what about the 193 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: risks of a wider war? We've been talking a lot 194 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: about the risks of Iran attacking Israel after the killing 195 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: of the Harmas leader in Tehran a few weeks ago. 196 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think what's interesting is a week ago 197 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 7: we were sitting here around the same time talking about 198 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 7: the attacks that took place between Israel and Tesbulah, and 199 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 7: that was no because Hesbelah acted unilaterated. Then they didn't 200 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 7: come out with a coordinated attack or response to Israel 201 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 7: in conjunction with Iran. Iran since then have still reiterated 202 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 7: that their own response is coming to you, but they 203 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 7: haven't done anything. They're binding their time, they're waiting to 204 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 7: see and analysts that we speak to in the region 205 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 7: say that they're also waiting to see what happens with 206 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 7: these seas Far discussions. This is why the Seesfar and 207 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 7: Gaza is so important, because once they do agree to it, 208 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 7: it gives room, it gives some time and space for 209 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 7: diplomatic conversations to start taking over. And I also yesterday 210 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 7: I just want to repeat this point too. The US 211 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 7: have reiterated their desire to get the seas Far deal 212 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 7: across the line as well, and the Washington Post for 213 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 7: reporting that the US are potentially going to come up 214 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 7: with a take it or leave it proposal for all 215 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 7: parties involved. And so if you want to think about 216 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 7: short term conflict in the region, in order to bring 217 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 7: down the temperature, you have to go to the cease 218 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 7: fire agreement first. 219 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: Jamana, thank you so much for being with us this morning. 220 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: That has Bienberg Horizons Anker Jamanabasserci on the latest then 221 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: from the Middle East. 222 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: Now, London lags behind other major global cities when it 223 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: comes to working in the office, with full time workers 224 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: only spending half of the week on site. The research 225 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 2: from the Center of the City's think tank raises concerns 226 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 2: about both productivity and London's appeal as an international investment destination. 227 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: Are reported to Adebio is here with more details. Good 228 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: morning to you. How does London compare to other cities 229 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: in this report? 230 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 8: Well, Stephen, you and I were in the studio every 231 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 8: day we come into work, but it doesn't seem that's 232 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 8: the case in the rest of the City of London. 233 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 8: It is lagging behind other major cities, including the likes 234 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 8: of Paris, New York, Sydney. But it actually is important 235 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 8: to remember here that nowhere has one hundred percent attendance rate. 236 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 8: This is according to a report by the Center for 237 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 8: Cities think tank. The highest was Paris, where workers are 238 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 8: in the office three point five five days a week. 239 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 8: In comparison, in central London, employees are only in the 240 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 8: office two point seven days a week, and only Toronto 241 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 8: is actually at that same level. But across the board 242 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 8: since the COVID pandemic in twenty twenty, nowhere has really 243 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 8: seen that return to pre lockdown levels of office time. 244 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 8: There is concern though from the authors of this report 245 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 8: about what they're calling a sluggish return to the office 246 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,479 Speaker 8: in London, and they think it could have some implications 247 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 8: in terms of the city's ability to keep up with 248 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 8: global competitors on benchmarks like productivity. And they do see 249 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 8: London actually compared to other cities, being on a trajectory 250 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 8: which we'll see it fall further behind as time goes on. 251 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: So then why is London lacking behind them? I mean 252 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: in terms of bringing people back to the office. 253 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 8: Well, this might be where the comparison to other cities 254 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 8: is having an impact as well. Actually, expense seems to 255 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 8: be a big factor for work is actually over forty 256 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 8: percent of those surveyed are saying that reduced travel costs 257 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 8: are a big perk of working from home, and that's 258 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 8: compared to thirty four percent of people across all cities. 259 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 8: So the expense of traveling to work is something that's 260 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 8: worrying London is more than workers elsewhere. And actually, if 261 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 8: you look at the data that's consistent there was a 262 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 8: survey last year that actually ranked the UK as the 263 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 8: country with the most expensive public transport in the world, 264 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 8: so it's not surprising that it's a big concern for 265 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 8: those working here, and if you look elsewhere. In France, 266 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 8: for example, employers are actually obliged to cover part of 267 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 8: the cost of season tickets for transport to and from 268 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 8: work for their employees. And actually looking at the survey, 269 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 8: Paris is top of the survey in terms of employees 270 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 8: working the most days from the office. But outside of costs, 271 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 8: it seems that time saving is another big draw for 272 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 8: working from home. In London, over half said that was 273 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 8: a big bonus for them coming into the offic What 274 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 8: was another interesting nugget in the report that I thought 275 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 8: actually was that over thirty percent of Londoners asked actually 276 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 8: said they were more productive when they worked from home. 277 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 8: And that's despite obviously the big fear around the drop 278 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 8: in productivity which comes when workers choose to work remotely. 279 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 8: So perhaps it may not be as big a problem 280 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 8: as the fear suggest Yeah. 281 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: Indeed, it's worth remembering that for a lot of people 282 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: the flexibility is actually what makes them more productive necessarily 283 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: than being in the office. One hundred percent of the time. 284 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: What are the broader economic implications that we can draw 285 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: from this research. 286 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 8: Well, the report says that less face to face interaction 287 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 8: could put London at a productivity disadvantage. That's what the 288 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 8: Center for Cities are saying. And of course Keir Starman 289 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 8: and new Prime Minister, has put growth really at the 290 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 8: heart of his economic mission, so there are some fears 291 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 8: around what the implications could be. We know that there 292 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 8: is an impact on local economies when people choose to 293 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 8: work remotely. They don't come into the office, they don't 294 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 8: buy lunch, they don't do any last minute shopping, so 295 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 8: businesses could fear seeing fewer levels of footfall, for example. 296 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 8: But the economic implications are really to be stated. 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