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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B.

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Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Friday. This week we had our

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Speaker 1: Unearthed episodes for the first three months. It is always

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Speaker 1: an adventure going through these and this adventure this time

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Speaker 1: has been informed by another podcast. UM. That podcast is

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Speaker 1: called Sapiens, a podcast for Everything Human, and this season

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Speaker 1: of the Sapiens podcast is specifically about how black and

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Speaker 1: Indigenous people are changing the field of archaeology, which is

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Speaker 1: something that I have been trying to be more mindful

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Speaker 1: of while working on these episodes. UM. As of when

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Speaker 1: we are recording this UM, I think there are six

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Speaker 1: episodes out in the season. I'm not sure how many

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Speaker 1: there will be all together. UM. Some of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that they've talked about is stuff that I have thought

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Speaker 1: about before and have tried to incorporate into the podcast,

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Speaker 1: like the kind of language that we talk about when

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Speaker 1: we talk about the things that are done at archaeological sites.

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Speaker 1: Like something that has already been on my radar is

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Speaker 1: making sure that when we're talking about, uh, something related

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Speaker 1: that would make what we're talking about seems somehow less

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Speaker 1: or inferior. But then there's also layers that I have

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Speaker 1: never thought about at all. Like in the first episode

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Speaker 1: they talk about language, and one of the things that

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Speaker 1: they talk about is describing the objects that are found

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Speaker 1: of the cultures that we're talking about, that's a person's belongings.

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Speaker 1: It's not an artifact, it's not a relic. It is

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Speaker 1: that person is an ancestor, not like a set of remains.

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Speaker 1: And so it has given me a ton to think about. UM.

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend it to everyone. I'm sure there will

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Speaker 1: still be times that we are doing stuff in Unearthed

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Speaker 1: and UM we talk about stuff that looking back on it,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I might have handled that differently, or

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Speaker 1: I might have described that differently. But it also before

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Speaker 1: even getting to this podcast, it has these kinds of

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Speaker 1: ideas have affected the sorts of work that I want

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Speaker 1: so complicated for a lot of different endig as communities,

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Speaker 1: And the project that we were talking about, like it

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Speaker 1: but then also communities anywhere that was colonized. Like there's

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Speaker 1: repatriate this stuff afterward, like not like that, but like

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Speaker 1: how what kinds of projects and what kinds of excavations

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Speaker 1: have have been on the show over the last several

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Speaker 1: installments of an Earth You also UM dovetailed on another

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Speaker 1: about how many uh fairly recent pardons and apologies about

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Speaker 1: witch hunts, witch trials and UM executions have happened. Because

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Speaker 1: our current season is about witchcraft and alchemy and it's

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Speaker 1: happened throughout the year. So you accidentally, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: ven diagrammed us, which is great, Yeah it. I did

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Speaker 1: She was just like I was a little kid at

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Speaker 1: and they're so smart. Yeah, but they unpredictable in my experience. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Literally,

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Speaker 1: I cannot be that. You're right. I never would have

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Speaker 1: in your soul, deep in my soul, the darkness where

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Speaker 1: I'm I laugh at my mother and her goose handling ways. Yeah, yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: I do recommend I have not listened to the other

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Speaker 1: seasons of the Sapiens podcast, but I do recommend season four. Um.

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Speaker 1: so far. And I hope everybody has a good weekend

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Speaker 1: lined up whatever is on your plate. We will be

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